Why Don't Jews Count?

[@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy]

I'm a Christian from Eastern Europe, I support Jewish people all over the world! You gave so much trough science, culture and art to our western societies! God bless you! ❤

[@jittmet7766]

Much appreciated. happy Xmas!

[@divineantiwokegangster]

then start fighting the global woke horde that wants to cancel israel

[@stekawolf]

Envying leads to hate..unfortunately .. radical Islamic terrorists decided to take over Europe.. USA universities etc...their lies and distorted history works for ignorant people..😢

[@Moshe_Dayan44]

Thank you. Our enemies come and go, but we remain. For nearly 4,000 years, dozens and dozens of enemies have tried, but they are all gone, and we survive. Maybe it's because our enemies worship death, and we revere life.

[@martinportelance138]

@@Moshe_Dayan44 Yeah. Everyone can see the IDF in Gaza, 'revering life'.

[@susandoherty2315]

Brilliant interview. I am not Jewish and I have never supported any kind of Antisemitism in my life but I am becoming increasingly alarmed by the obnoxious anti Jewish rhetoric being spouted by people who should know better ( ie educated academics ). What on earth has happened to people's intelligence and critical thinking skills ?? It's truly shocking. Thank You.x🇬🇧🇮🇱

[@TimBitts649]

Germany was the most educated, cultured society on Earth, in the 1930s and 1940s. But they were the country that came up with Hitler.

[@worldadventuretravel]

This is a JOKE... right?

[@jittmet7766]

Decades of Marxist indoctrination as well as the increase of Muslims in Australia and Islamic money going to universities.

[@LamneYokaMou]

I have never seen such racism directed towards one group as I have towards the Jews.

[@TimBitts649]

I agree. @@LamneYokaMou

[@louiskleinfashion]

I am 67. For my entire adult life until a couple years ago i felt like I was on a mission to end racism by advocating the philosophy of MLK. Then suddenly i see that woke anti-racism has replaced the goal MLK advocated and I am in shock!!! Now I have to go on a mission to end anti-racism/DEI which is more insidious and toxic than old school racism! Unfortunately the vast majority of people are slightly insecure and are suseptible to leaders/teachers who tell people others are responsible for their troubles. They are 'stupid' (see Boenhofer) and our world suffers for it.

[@somersetdc]

Wonderful conversation. It's bizarre how we ended up at this point. I hope people will listen to this interview and other ones like it. Thank you. 💜

[@Shibby27ify]

I've been seeing many many politically moderate/liberal Jews of whom would have been fully bought into the social justice/DEI world are now rapidly questioning it all with the rampant antisemitism coming from that value system. It's interesting to see this shift. Maybe it's another leg of the table about to break

[@DieFlabbergast]

Damn table has sixteen legs.

[@jittmet7766]

I've never understood why a Jew would ally with the hard Left or even mid-Left. They are clear antisemites.

[@VesnaVK]

Look at the recent Ethan Klein / Hasan Piker debacle that led to the end of their Leftovers show. Ethan is anti Israel (though he lived there five years) and loudly pro Palestine. Even after Oct 7. But when he meekly proposed that a shred of compassion for innocent Israeli civilians might be in order, Hasan turned on him and fed him to the wolves.

[@mrharpable]

They’re eating from floor height

[@handlehidden-f2j]

In the US if Jews left progressive ideologies like BLM and others which promotes racial hatred, these ideologies and organizations would fall apart.

[@plaidpaisley5918]

Progressive ideology harms much.

[@JJRfromNYC]

Excellent interview and very refreshing. I too have been dismayed by the open antisemitism and absolute tone-deafness coming from people who should know better in the wake of October 7. I’ve known about this leftist antisemitism for a long time and have changed my political affiliation because of it. I like to be open minded, but the people who make a show of calling themselves open minded and accepting of others have shown themselves to be terrorist supporters and excuse makers. If these people were in Nazi Germany they’d have been Hitler Youth, and I have no problem saying that. I’d love to see more in-depth interviews like this from Quilette. In general, I love the publication. Thank you so much for this interview. ☮️❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱💪💪👍👍

[@snatchhog]

😅

[@wombatmats]

This guy needs a much bigger platform.

[@launchpad310]

I hope it doesn't scare anyone that a third of American youth are open to Flat Earth Theory.

[@waiifii22]

The problem is Universities are teaching what to think, instead of how to think.

[@MilenaBlazanovic-oq2iy]

Woke is not a movement it's a diagnosis

[@mthomson4565]

😆😆😆

[@joelanderson5285]

Woke is Maoism with American characteristics.

[@chuongnguyen5724]

Awesome Interview Zoe! David’s a good friend, and his is a must-read book!

[@davidbernstein8483]

Thanks my friend

[@neuronwave]

Amazing brilliant interview. Thank you to both of you for such an informative talk. I'm not Jewish but am an ally and have seen here in Australia, to my great dismay, the progressive left falling in lock step with Hamas. As mentioned on the interview I have absolutely shifted my views from being left oriented to much more centre and right.

[@Shellbee22]

Excellent!! Though the marching is not legal ..when you block streets ..desecrate statues ..terrorize Jewish students etc that’s illegal ..YES CONDUCT is the issue

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

Why don't they complain about terrorists' use of guns, missilse, grenades, and other materiel?

[@darth_vdare]

I noticed that the comments section says it has 32 comments but when I count there are only about 20. I wonder why that is.

[@lucienmott9648]

I am no progressive and agree that their views and actions deserve condemnation. Israel, however, has made many errors over the last twenty years which has contributed to the present situation.

[@Kurtlane]

Correction: In the Soviet Union race was not particularly important. In the Western part everyone was white, and in the Eastern part -- not sure, but probably Asian. There were no blacks. But that didn't matter, because people were divided by ethnicity. There were over 180 ethnicities, living everywhere in different combinations. This was the key to identification and self- identification. Religion also played very little role, because practically everyone was atheist. It was all ethnicity, hierarchy of ethnicities, tensions between ethnicities, etc. Jews too were an ethnicity, not a religion. Which to me still makes perfect sense, in the US as well. As Americans say, "Being Jewish is not a faith, it's a fate."

[@HaleyMary]

Agreed! My great grandparents were from the Soviet Union (modern day Ukraine and Latvia). They were considered to be Jews rather than Russian (Soviets). So, it's just as much of an ethnicity as a religion.

[@jessssss6781]

the soviet union expelled and persecuted jews on the basis of being jewish. they said”zionist” but those accused most often didn’t even know they were jewish. this happened to my family. we were made refugees again. after surviving the war. in russia they are known as refuseniks. its why regina spector (soviet jew) named her album as such.

[@Zzyzzyx]

"Chief Cooperation Officer"???? NO! That sounds *evil*

[@koketit5183]

such a brilliant man thank you for the most interesting interview i've heard lately.

[@Creality.R.Crooks]

Well Done, Zoe. I reckon that new colour makes Liz Storer look like Morticia from The Addams Family. Keep that innocent style going, please.

[@captainmission]

There is nothing wrong with Mortisha

[@gerberjoanne266]

I think that Leftists who support groups like Hamas and Hezbollah confuse them with the Palestinians who were their actual ideological kindred spirits: the secular Arab nationalists, who tended to be socialist or Marxist, and who flourished in the 1960s-1980s. That was the PLO in its earlier days, and groups like the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine). These groups aren't gone, but they don't dominate Arab politics the way they used to. The Islamists have taken the lead, and they have nothing in common with the secular nationalists. In fact, they're not Arab nationalists at all; it's only about the religion for them. The Left doesn't seem to appreciate the difference. Judith Butler referred to Hamas and Hezbollah as being "part of the global Left." She is very wrong.

[@saraleigh5336]

Palestinians who also have a totalitarian society? Ok.

[@jittmet7766]

The PLO was still Islamic and still wanted the elimination of the Jews. Whatever politics overlaid their rhetoric they were and are at heart Islamic jihadis.

[@nettietrees7238]

Yes it’s like they have a child’s understanding of the issue. Hamas charter is all you need to see to understand their views. They believe Israel are on ‘Muslim land” - not Palestinian land. Because what is ‘Palestinian land’? Bedouin? Jordanian? Egyptian? Etc. They believe that because Jews have had an eternal Jihad placed against them by Mohammed. Hamas are a wing of the Sunni Muslim brotherhood that takes the Hadith to heart. In which Mohammed is said to have encouraged the killing of Jews, all because in his day they would not bow to him. To him, and Sunni Muslims, Jews are worse than the infidel - at least the infidel gets the option to recant and come into Islam,- Jews not so much. And so, thanks to Mohammed, we are here. Israel are on Muslim land, and the only solution to that is to wipe them out. Recently, the historically secular society of Turkey has been becoming more radicalised into islamism - Erdagon has managed to be president for 20yrs 🤔- at one of the Arab League gatherings he proposed that all Muslim (that fact was important) Arab nations should become one. He wants to bring back an Islamic Ottoman Empire. He stated that it would give them greater global clout financially, influence etc - but a major point was that it would bring their combined military power together for the sole purpose of wiping out Israel! Yes, Israel is hated so much by the Muslim brother Sunni sect of Islam, that they want combined military power to eradicate them! But it wouldn’t stop there, as many Sunni Muslim leaders call for a global jihad against Jews - who’s surprised that it doesn’t just stop at Israel? There was another interesting point in history when a certain adolf Hitler would meet with certain Arab nation leaders to gather information about their Jew eradicating procedures - because they were being very successful at it, and he admired that - all this before Israel as a nation state existed. Sure though, it’s about Palestine. 🤦 It reminds me of a recent council that elected in Muslims to represent them - because they are an oppressed minority. Those Muslims then went on to vote to remove lgbtq flags etc. The woke voted them in believing they were one and the same as themselves, to find out that they are more conservative than the republicans!

[@philtikao2333]

Support much of what this man says but he's not correct about Elon and X. He shows limited understanding of the battle ahead. If you want anti Semitism exposed you have to understand all the other areas of tyranny. It's not either or

[@MM-yi9zn]

Harvard president utterly reprehensible.

[@saraleigh5336]

The problem is that the university is not so out of sync with larger society…

[@satiricgames2129]

No it isn't 😂

[@gerberjoanne266]

If I were a college president, I would favor free speech, and thus let the demonstrations happen. The reason is that it won't be easy to draw the line between free speech and hate speech. It will prove to be a slippery slope. However, I would use the resources of the university administration to then vigorously object to what's being said by the pro-Hamas demonstrators. For instance, this could include a strong, clear anti-Hamas statement by the administration and a full-blown campus-wide campaign to educate students about ME history and about what Hamas and "from the river to the sea" really means (many student demonstrators really have no idea). So, I would come down on the antisemitism like a ton of bricks, but wouldn't use censorship as one of my weapons. Of course, as Bernstein points out, if it's not just speech, but conduct, that's a whole other story; and I agree that that's not a protected right.

[@jittmet7766]

Death threats are not legal.

[@ef2718]

Qatar pays them.

[@nettietrees7238]

I saw a Palestine protestor holding a sign saying ‘say no to genocide’ whilst chanting ‘from the river to the sea…. “ - they have no idea what they are saying. Or they don’t care.

[@SystemsMedicine]

Hi Gerber. Essentially every sentence in your response displays naivety. You appear to simply want to ‘correct’ the situation to align with your point of view. This is very unlikely to get you to such a position these days, and your solution is likely to deepen the problem, not solve the problem.

[@gerberjoanne266]

@SystemsMedicine My point of view would simply be to explain what 'the river to the sea' really means and what Hamas really stands for. After all, surveys and interviews have shown that many demonstrators changed their minds when these points were explained to them. So, all would get a second chance. After that, I would apply the same punishment as that calling for attacks on Arabs or other minorities, whatever that is. Not perfect, but better than relying on 'context'. .

[@mariasinfiltros1478]

great conversation

[@castlerock58]

This is BS. In the past, people cared about religion class and ethnicity than skin color. Jews and Irish are white but have faced discrimination in the US on grounds other than race such as ethnicity and religion. Different ethnic groups from Europe suffered discrimination before they assimilated. There was still discrimination against Catholics and Jews even though they were white. JFK faced discrimination for being Catholic and it was an open question whether it would prevent him from being elected in 1960. Jews have faced antisemitism in the past despite being white and that old evil is making a comeback. Like before, it is not about skin color. The woke movement is based on hate. Hate against white people, hate against men and hate against Jews.

[@Devils_Advocate_Extravalue]

Jews are not 'white'. You are talking about ashkenazi, but the others are not. Their dna proves otherwise. BUt the DEI strategy is to label them all 'white', for the reasons this video presents.

[@ajl8198]

this was so smart and insightful

[@inotaishu1]

It was ironic to him that Germany was one of the most supportive countries for Israel in this conflict? Oh boy, that man really seems to have no idea about German internal politics. Granted, the media here has over many many years downplayed Muslim antisemitism, but there is no way any politician here would have gotten away with being outwardly hostile to Israel.

[@Zzyzzyx]

I think he just meant it's historically ironic.

[@inotaishu1]

@@Zzyzzyx Maybe, but in that case he doesn't seem to know much either, since this has been official german policy for decades now.

[@DieFlabbergast]

@@Zzyzzyx Exactly.

[@DieFlabbergast]

@inotaishu1 He knows that: EVERY educated person knows that. That doesn't change the fact that, for anyone who is aware of 20th-century German history, it most definitely IS "ironic." Perhaps you are simply not fully familiar with the usage of this word.

[@inotaishu1]

@@DieFlabbergast You don't know what he knows. Also, 20th century Germany history is also history of the German empire and people like Walter Rathenau. But I let you ponder on that and then go and you clearly project upon me and I have no time or energy to spend anymore on people like you. So, bye.

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

2:55 I think this is a overly simplistic viewpoint, but it’s very very interesting and probably not far from the mark

[@ernestschroeder9762]

Free speech is important, but when people tell you you can't understand what a word actually means and they use words that have no real definition like jihad...

[@wadetisthammer3612]

10:38 to 11:27 - How the college presidents could have gotten (at least partly) off the hook.

[@geoffreybryson8470]

I caught the Latino part. I have relatives all over South America.

[@ceciliamullanaphy1171]

DEI is group think and not needed. We are founded on equal pursuit of happiness, not equity. My sister was mentally challenged, and just because she may wanted to be a doctor, it would not be possible. She was content and happy putting together First Aid Kit.

[@barbrokjelkerud]

Jag vill inte vara elak men i ett allvarligt seriöst program måste vi kvinnor klä oss annorlunda inte som om vi ska gå på en DATE

[@EvianGutman]

excellent interview and really pertinent insights. an injection of reality into a sea of delusion!

[@dreimalnein22]

The whole people classification as white or not is so b.s. to my European ears. This is an American obsession and it's so sad when people in Europe adapt (to) it.

[@HariPrasad-uy9dj]

Why don't Arabs count?

[@mrharpable]

They’ve got a whole league. Why the Kurds don’t count is a better question.

[@blackeyedturtle]

I remember back in the 80's when AntiSemitism and Holocaust denial saw a drastic rise through the publishing of propaganda by men like Ernst Zündel. It was accompanied by an enormous rise in the publication and distribution of AntiSemitic literature like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which became part and parcel of the school curriculum in most Islamic nations. I believe withdrawing the teaching of the Holocaust, as required curriculum in most North American education systems in the early and mid 70's contributed greatly. Creating a vacuum that was quickly filled by Holocaust denial teachings.

[@mrharpable]

Not just Jews, but Kurds, Copts, Yazidis, Pandits, Balochs, Assyrians, Armenians, Druze and many many more.

[@Longtack55]

Atheist here. You are all nuts!

[@maryanndeweerd2570]

Thankyou

[@Shellbee22]

As goes Israel …as goes the West here 🇺🇸and other Western Countries

[@scarba]

I recommend also reading David Baddiel‘s, Jews Don’t Count.

[@ryanmurtha2392]

“You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny.”

[@TimBitts649]

Jewish people were horribly oppressed in history, I'm quite sympathetic. But now in America Jews are far more successful than average. Jewish thinkers played a large historical role in the creation of things we consider Woke: communist theory, post modernism etc. Why? I think they focused on intellectual life in the past, that's part of their religion. And I think, their experience of actual oppression shaped their view of reality. Admirable and morally ambitious. However, they made some very, very big mistakes along the way. And it's blowing up in our faces: I grew up Christian. A couple thousand years ago, Christians came up with "The Golden Rule". It's one of those things, most older Americans or Aussies take for granted....and it's the basis of our law and order, our legal system, our social structures and our obligations to each other. What's the Golden Rule? "Do unto others and you would have them, do unto you" The Golden Rule is the ethical principle of treating other people as one's self would prefer to be treated. It was one of Jesus' most famous teachings. The Golden Rule can be found in the Bible verses Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 7:12 So what does this have to do with Woke? The Christian principle of The Golden Rule, was replaced in school, by our elite class of intellectuals. I maintain, that's very dangerous. Who are the elite intellectuals? Marxists, mostly. Often Jewish, in a big irony of history. Very smart people, but very, very wrong about reality. Karl Marx was a Jew. So was Michel Foucault the post-modernist, whom Jordan Peterson claimed was the most cited intellectual of our time. So intellectually, Woke won. Woke teaches communist Marxist theory, which basically claims that in the world, everything can be boiled down to two categories: 1-oppressed 2-oppressor To some degree, this makes moral sense to humans. Why? Because power is unequal. Woke is the assumption that there is in fact an oppressor, who must treat the oppressed better. The strong should look after the weak, etc. Good so far. That's moral. That's in line with Christian thinking. However: Woke implies the oppressor is clear in every situation. Is that true? Of course not. Life is more complicated than that. It has far, far more nuance. How does that roll out in the news today from Israel? For the view of things, from the young, the Woke? Kids were taught to view reality via Woke, not the Golden Rule I grew up with. And that's the point, kids are taught very little history now. And no real religion. The narrative they are taught is controlled by the elite, who want them to grow up with basically a communist point of view of history, as interpreted by communists. And that's a very different view of reality than I can accept. In the communist view, the villains and heroes are different than the ones I'd accept. Communists are still around, they took over the schools, particularly higher education. Harvard is run on pure communism now, it's a Marxist School, with a very different view of reality. Not a view of reality, I'd accept. Harvard, it's still the dominant American school, so downstream, down the academic hierarchy, all lower ranking universities accepted communism. So this meant all teachers were trained in Marxism. Harvard is communist. They won The Long March Through the Institutions. Why are the communists doing this? To overthrow everything. Getting back to The Golden Rule, as opposed to Woke doctrine of viewing reality through the lens of oppressed/oppressor: The Woke doctrine assigns blame on one party: the oppressed. It maintains that the world really is simple enough to quickly figure out and divide things up into victim/victimizer. But is that true? No, of course not. So that itself is a false view of reality. But maybe the thing that bothers me most about Woke narratives of oppressed/oppressor is that it assigns no moral responsibility to half the world, which supposedly oppressed. In Christian morals, do unto others implies moral reciprocity and high standards of morals. It says morality and social stability are maintained and generated by the moral reciprocity and moral interactions of both parties: do unto others means you have a moral obligation to the other party, just as they have a moral obligation to you. Whether Christians live up to that or not, that's the lens by which they see reality....However: Woke says only one party of the two, has some sort of moral obligation to the other party. The oppressor has a moral obligation to the oppressed. But the so called oppressed has no moral obligation to the other party. In a Woke world, moral obligations only go one way. Christianity is a two way street. Woke is a one way street. No wonder there are so many car crashes now. Christianity maintains that morals are generated by two-way moral interaction, not just one-way morals and obligations. My question is: Which view of reality is more accurate? ....and moral? The Christian view of course. Why? Humans generally are wired for moral obligations that go two ways. One-way moral obligations seldom work, they eventually fall apart. That's the real error of Woke: thinking it's obvious who is morally wrong, then expecting only one of the two parties, to act morally, not requiring the other one to act morally. That Woke view is a vain, stupid, ultimately immoral view of reality. It's the view of a spoiled, helpless child. When someone is a child, yes adults are in power, adults have an obligation to treat children well, because the power is so unbalanced. But we all need to grow up. Can we run a stable society if we replace Christian morals with Woke?....oppressor/oppressed narratives? Of course not. It will blow up in our faces, it has so many defects. And when we removed Christian ethics, replaced them with communist ethics, we set ourselves up for our morals blowing up in our faces....as they are now. Do you have to be Christian to believe this? No. You can be atheist, or Jewish. Doesn't matter. Moral reciprocity is still true in humans. Atheists have spent a lot of time attacking Christianity. It worked. To the atheists I say: Get rid of Christianity? Go ahead, you'll regret it if you have any brains or morals. And you don't need to be Christian to believe this. You can be Jewish. Or atheist. Or Muslim or Hindu. Doesn't matter. You don't even need to believe in God to figure out this is true: Just think about how humans are wired by evolution: we are wired for two-way moral obligations, within a community, between individuals. Moral reciprocity in other words. The Christians are right. The Woke are wrong.

[@TimBitts649]

How to defeat Woke: Tucker Carlson advocates cameras in classroom, hooked up to the internet. For all schools, right up through university. Millions of eyes need to be watching and criticizing what our kids are taught. We don't have time for a 40 year conservative or classic liberal march through the institutions. And we don't need that. We need a feedback mechanism, for Woke when they error. 👀👁👁💽🖱🖥🛰📡

[@williambillingsford9987]

With all due respect, The Golden Rule and its verbiage are quite literally reworded from similar Torah passages.

[@lewreed1871]

@@williambillingsford9987 Yes. It's not too far from 'an eye for an eye' and equally impracticable when questions of justice are complex, as they usually are. It's trite moralism.

[@TimBitts649]

Interesting. I didn't know that, thanks.@@williambillingsford9987

[@TimBitts649]

How to morally evolve for peace, with technology: My view of religion is it fits evolution, exists within evolution and that it can evolve. How do we help that along? We use technology. Elon Musk is putting up thousands of satellites, circling the earth. Every corner covered. You can get text messages from anywhere, television and internet signals from anywhere to anywhere. It's essential that the technology be set up so everyone in the world have access to information that challenges their beliefs. Including the basic tenets of Islam or Christianity. And the technology has to be set up so religious governments around the world cannot stop their people from tuning into alternate religious messages. In Mecca as in New York, alternative religious views must be unstoppable. Free speech. Open, free market on religion. Eventually the better of the two systems will likely prevail. If the winner is Islam, great. If it's Christianity, great. If it's Judaism, great. America controls outer space around the Earth. Time and patience and the right information flow patterns will change the destructive tendency of Islam and Christianity. Almost all the Christian prophets are mentioned within Islam, a Muslim friend of mine from my 20s told me that. The religions are so close in origins, Islam and Christianity, that the prophet Muhammad had a Jewish wife, also a Christian wife, according to some traditions. When Islam was formed, lots of Jews were living in Mecca, in Saudi Arabia. So it's obvious: Islam borrowed very heavily from Jewish ideas, Christian ideas....just like Christianity borrowed heavily from Judaism, as previously mentioned, by William on this thread. With satellites the whole world can become a Global Village of Ideas in religion, like Mecca was at one time. So it is less of a stretch, than many might think, to convert a Muslim to a Christian...or vice versa. The intellectual gap, the gap in ideas is real between Islam and Christianity, but bridgeable. I can see mass conversions to Christianity happen in the Muslim world. Why not? Lots of Christians are becoming Muslim. Also: Christian Patrick bet David said the other day the Islamic American birthrate is higher than the Christian American birth rate and that Islam will rule America, just due to demographic patterns. Might happen. Let religions compete in a free market, then evolve change and adapt. I have thought since I was a kid, "I'll bet if I were born in India, I'd be Hindu. If I was born in an Arab country, I'd be Muslim".....lots in common, like belief in God. A curious thing about humans: for 99.99% of our 200,000 year evolution as modern humans, we didn't know about the existence of other humans on other continents, due to technology and distance limits. But anthropology tells us that hundreds of thousands of times in a row, people who never heard of each other, never communicated with each other came up with a common pattern of belief: there is an afterlife, we need a common moral code, there is a God of some sort. Why did all humans come up with essentially the same answer? It fits our evolution. My guess is, humans are wired in such a way, religion is our default evolutionary setting. We may as well encourage the peaceful evolution of religion, even if we are atheist. That's my guess. We can use technology to encourage religious evolution. We better. The future is laid out in song by singer Leonard Cohen in his song, "The Future". French Catholic Priest-Scientist Chardin saw parts of this coming, many decades ago in his book, The Phenomena of Man.

[@inotaishu1]

His first reference to Nazi Germany and Jews not being seen as white is misleading. I don't think he is lying he is just trapped in the same thinking that he accused Whoopi Goldberg of. In Nazi Germany only people belonging to the Nordic Race were considered the Master Race, however, that designation was not synonymous with "White", neither was Aryan. To give an example: Slavic people were not considered Aryan, but Italians and, at least for a time, Turks were. Also, while Italians were Aryan, they were not Nordic and neither were Armenians, who were not classified as Aryan either, even though today they are classified as White. The Nazi racial system was not a white vs non-White as what it is so often believed to be today, several groups today classified as white would be classified as subhuman by the Nazis. At least officially, un-officially... well, lets say it this way, they could be quite pragmatic as to who was classified as what.

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

I think of the third Reich as more PanGerman than anything else

[@Lorenz1973]

The problem is with modern American identity ideology which is applied retrospectively to history. History on other continents. People who thought differently about race. Conceptualising race and racism in white and black skin colour categories, when race and racism has been way more complicated for most of history and the rest of the planet. There is racism in Africa between different groups of black people who view each other as separate/ different people. Even violent racist attacks. There has been “racial discrimination” between different Europeans groups in Europe for centuries. Irish used to be seen as inferior by many English … and treated as such, with devastating consequences. Sadly Jews and Slavic people were seen as racially inferior by many Germans. Jews were considered the worst race of all by the Nazis. Nazism mixing those concepts of racism with eugenics had even so much more devastating consequences - planned extinction of an entire race (Jews). They also wanted to drastically reduce the Slavic population of Eastern Europe (by 60 to 80% depending on region) and enslave the rest. Concepts of race or that kind of othering as people by what was considered “race” by people at the time has been way more complicated. Not black and white. Americans are oversimplifying things based on contemporary and recent American history… Not everyone was/ is an American or thinks like an American….

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

@@Lorenz1973 it’s one of the greatest exports LOL

[@inotaishu1]

@@Lorenz1973 I would not be so sure that Jews were considered the worst race of all. They were the most convenient political scapegoat for the Nazis that is true. But keep in mind in Nazi ideology there were two parasitic races: Jews and Gypsies. And in their ideology Jews were at least powerful, but gypsies would be nothing but lowly born criminals and vermin. Which one of the two groups was worse, depended on whom you ask. Now, I do agree with you on the modern American identity ideology, that one already shows its cracks in America when applied to many immigrant groups, and is only uphoald because the largest "non-white" group are American blacks. But here in Germany the largest group classified as such are Turks, and you only have to look at the last 200 years to see that they were anything but some sort of victim group. It is always a testament to the racism of American identity politics when polish people allegedly have to feel guilty for the imperialism of big European powers but somehow Turks always get a pass.

[@saraleigh5336]

How was it misleading? The construction of Jews as white lately is mostly an American obsession, though of course not for white supremacists.

[@DeathRayGraphics]

I have never heard a right wing white guy use the word “problematic” as often as this guy does. I wondrer what color blue hair dye he uses!

[@lenloving]

Great interview and I'm 99% with Bernstein here. My 1% niggle is this: anti-Zionism is not a position against the existence of the state of Israel. See 16:31, where Bernstein makes the claim. Anti-Zionism is a position against the carte blanche brand of Zionism we have seen expressed through the ultra-nationist arm of Israeli politics. Christopher Hitchens explains this well. One can most certainly be pro-Israel and anti-Zionist at the same time.

[@uncleskipsprairiejustice9367]

Not trolling or snark, but seriously, that is really threading the needle. If the core purpose of Zionism is to establish in perpetuity a Jewish state in the "Holy Land" of the Old Testament, how can you be pro-Israel and anti-Zionist? I don't see how you resolve this. BTW do you remember where Hitchens spoke of this?

[@williambillingsford9987]

While I and many others appreciate the nuance of what you're saying, the vast majority of anti-Zionists use anti-Zionism as a cudgel to condemn Israel's existence in any form.

[@harryflashman4542]

It's also a convenient excuse for blatant anti-semitism.

[@ladypants2972]

@lenloving Maybe in theory you can be pro-Israel AND anti-Zionist, but that's not reality.

[@antippas]

I think it’s unfair to define “Zionism” as carte Blanche ultra-nationalism and then say you are against that when that’s not what actual Zionists mean by the term. It would be like defining socialism as equal to Stalinism and then saying you are anti-socialist.

[@janmariablackwell8138]

My farther-in-law was a holocaust survivor. My husband never knew his paternal family as they all perished in Auschwitz-Birkenau. I have always supported Israel, though, like him, I never considered myself a Zionist. October 7th was a tragic day and many of us mourned for lives lost. My family and myself are now horrified by what's happening in Palestine. Supporting the people of Palestine does not make one anti-Semitic, and it doesn't mean you put the 7th of October tragedy to one side. The horrors unfolding are so unimaginable that you have to have no heart... no empathy and no religion to not feel this. My farther-in-law died just prior to October 7th and his words will always ring in my ears...."The danger of oppression is not just being oppressed, its becoming an oppressor"

[@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci]

If you support the right of Israel to exist, you are in fact a Zionist. That’s all the word really means. Re what’s happening in Gaza (it’s not called “Palestine”; I don’t understand this insistence on calling it that), Israel is defending itself from further attacks like the one on Oct. 7th. I’d say in that regard they have been successful so far, because there have been no further such attacks. If you expect self-defense from an enemy intent on murdering you to be clean and bloodless , you’re naive. War is nasty and ugly. But Israel didn’t ask for this war. Hamas could end it any time.

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

He starts out with a huge basic mistake and misrepresentation of crt and he goes downhill from there.

[@YudYud72]

I'm a proud Jew Proud of the Jew soul and proud of my people

[@blacksnow129]

Pro Palestine is antisemitic or more like anti genocide, and anti apartheid israeli government. It is nothing to do with race really it is about opression in Palestine by the Istaeli government that you seem to defend whole playing the tune of anti Semitism. You are mudding the water if you declare that being against Israel policy is to be anti semitic. What is your position on Netanyahu declaring he wants Israel free from Palestinians from the river to the sea?

[@IbrahimHaddad-pq9zg]

Could their depradations and cruelties be responsible for the contempt of civilized people?

[@randomboy758]

Zoe is beautiful and wise, David is excellent very smart kudos guys

[@thistles]

Stop lying about Alex Jones.

[@RoseGoodwin-m7l]

I was also confused suddenly alot of Culture and Races got white washed..l am Irish..so when l was called white trash..in Canada...l was very confused 🤔..why am l privileged..fled War and hatred in Ireland for being Orange 🧡...but here l am just another privileged white person.. although I am in the same inner city as they are...in the same foodbank line...but now l have no right to be there..l am so sick of it. I make them call me Mrs..l wear Orange..and l am British and Irish..not hiding it anymore.

[@michaelmunoz2524]

I detest when Alex Jones is wrong; …Yet I shudder when Mr. Jones is unerring. There is much darkness-and lamps are many; but Musk’s ‘X’ fluoresces a bit more vivid. (Not to mention Zoe’s radiance.)

[@johnpanter9714]

Ironic if Gay was homophonic

[@zcohent]

bless

[@bigred8438]

They do count....to 12. Twelve tribes one for each astrological month of the year, each tribe assigned to a month and an astrological sign (makes you wonder if there were any left over that had to join a different tribe). All sounds like Malarkey like much of the old testament (finally revised in 600 AD and still a bunch of superstitious dross, make believe and fairy tales), but with page numbers, Chapters and numbered verses.

[@charliebrownie4158]

Obviously the double standard I'm seeing here is the one whereby it's okay for them to talk about the fact that these presidents of these Ivy League colleges can say what they say and they can compartmentalize the good from the bad yet they can't do that for Alex Jones. He has no problem doing that with people who claim that the Earth is not flat that's just something for them to laugh about that people would be that stupid to be saying those kind of issues. But they're not saying that they should be destroyed. And they do not call for the expulsion of people who have been the types who would not and cannot say that it's wrong to call for the genocide of Jews. Yet anybody who doesn't agree with covid or the ones who believe that that the American government is involved with them doing things regarding trying to control American citizens then no those people are to be stripped of everything and destroyed but not the people who are actually talking about and looking for the deaths of Jews

[@rickyj5547]

Modern version of the nazis

[@smallfry3017]

More power to you, David Bernstein. The antithesis of a snake oil salesman.

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

Well, this is an interesting discussion. It is incredibly one-sided people can’t stop talking about the past let’s start talking about the future.

[@williambillingsford9987]

This conversation is about the present. The present is the battleground for the future.

[@billh.1940]

If they keep it up, earth will have no future.

[@KAZVorpal]

Yes, the idea that Jews are represented by Israel is itself a form of antisemitism. There are huge numbers of Jews who are opposed to Zionism, or specifically the war crimes of Israeli oligarchs. The lie that Israel represents Judaism, and that anti-Zionism is antisemitism, creates support FOR antisemitism, as if anyone who opposes Crimes against Humanity must be opposed to Jews.

[@williambillingsford9987]

You wrongly conflate support for Israel's existence as support for everything Israel does. If you believe Israel has a right to exist, you are a Zionist, plain and simple. That's all it has ever meant, and those who have twisted that meaning are 100% participating in antisemitism, whether they realize it or not. For your part, it seems you don't realize it.

[@jittmet7766]

Most Jews are Zionists.

[@jittmet7766]

AntiZionism is definitely antisemitism. You don't get to define antisemitism. Jews do.

[@KAZVorpal]

@@jittmet7766 No, that's not how anything works. Antisemitism is objective, not some Woke nonsense. But either way, the sociopaths claiming it means only X are not "Jews" in some universal, woke racist sense. They are individuals who happen to be Jewish. There are MANY Jews who disagree with them.

[@KAZVorpal]

@@williambillingsford9987 No, Zionism is more specific than that. It's a movement that goes back to the mid 19th century, a Marxist nationalism that doesn't just involve accepting that it exists now and therefore has a right to keep existing. It has a long list of specific traits.

[@othellosson1621]

This is antikemetism!

[@MichaelWilson-ee8zx]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... these satirical takes are beyond wonderful!

[@sshhlisten]

Jewish people are not Euro - caucasian. DNA tests can only uncover physical components, not religious components, and yet when ashkenazi Jewish people undergo DNA testing, they are not classed as German, French, Spanish, British etc. They are classed as Ashkenazi Jewish which in terms of DNA is more similar to Mizrahi and Sephardic Jewish people, than to any other ethnic group. There is only a slight difference between Ashkenazi Jewish people and Mizrahi/Sephardic Jewish people.

[@sidvicious6505]

I understand why you would think that, but in reality, the short and simplest terms, you are completely incorrect. there's a whole mess of population transfers and circumstances makes identifying a definitive ancestry of "Ashkenazi" Jews Rather complex. Ashkenazi are historically identified as distinct from mizrahi or sephardic by their families practice of Ashkenazi customs and traditions. Modern accepted labeling is based simply on rather a persons family ancestor spoke Yiddish (Eastern or Western). Jews that had ancestors that lived in France, the Netherlands, and Hungary prior to WW2, would likely self identify as Ashkenazi, but could have DNA markers that The majority of match closely with populations of Jews from Spain or Italy and only a small percentage of DNA markers in common with Jewish populations from Poland or Ukraine. Excluding all the Cohen ( and various variations) family lineages. The vast majority of Jews that decend from Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia have about as much genetic similarities with Spanish Jews as populations in China do with The Irish. Your reference to ancestry DNA companies identifying customers DNA heritage as Ashkenazi and not a European Ancestry. Firstly this is not accurate, while I am aware that 1 of the big 3 DNA companies has on occasion identified customers as 100% Ashkenazi (nobody's 100% anything). The other 2 imploy a much broader set of metrics and will include and correctly identify one or more European ancestry in addition to the Ashkenazi ancestry. (On a side note, percentages of 5 or lower are generally just background noise and just as likely to be false as accurate). So the reason why the (speaking of the 3 main companies, I am in aware of other similar services methods or operations). Ancestry companies identify ancestry as Ashkenazi and not as they do with sephardic or mizrahi which are typically broken down and identified as having ancestry from the one or all the following regions including Mediterranean, North African, and near eastern or elsewhere. When 23 and me first began offering it's services they did not identify Ashkenazi. Almost immediately a number of Ashkenazi customers began submitting complaints and even contacting the adl and other Jewish organizations Somehow convinced the company was anti Jewish or just a scam because their DNA did not include lavant ancestry. The CEO and a number of investors were Jewish and associated with people that took issues with these concerns. 23 and me started including a section asking the customer to identify themselves as Ashkenazi. With a bunch of nonsense citing a recent published study about the maternal DNA of most Ashkenazi Jews having European origins. Their standard process may not accurately identify Ashkenazi unique genetics. But letting them know when submitting the sample that you were Ashkenazi they would apply additional screening Taylored specifically for Jewish DNA. I am not sure when they stopped asking for customers to tell them if they were Ashkenazi. Around the time that ancestry launched their services. Both services included additional information associated with identified hablogroups noting Several as being common among Ashkenazi Jews. Despite the same hablogroups being common among non Jews, as well. I am not which company was the first or when, but by 2015 all had began including Ashkenazi ancestry in main profile make-ups. Because the decendents of all modern Ashkenazi originate from just a few hundred individuals in the 10th century. (The bottleneck likely occurred During the 1st crusade. When hundreds to possibly thousands of Ashkenazi were slaughtered indescrimatly because the communities had for decades regularly sent raid parties to capture European slaves to sale to the Muslims.) Those few hundred survivors or originators were separated into 3 to possibly 6 different origin communities. Because there is so little admixtures to the surviving descendants genetic makeup of these origin communities for such long periods. Even the lineages that did have admixtures. It is evident that the occurrence happen over a short period then another lengthy period of generations mating with close relatives. (Likely when an Ashkenazi populations would settle in or near and established sephardic population and absorbing. Up Until the 17th and 18th centuries when these separate lineages began widespread reconverging. The majority of Ashkenazi today are 2nd cousins or closer relatives and none being more than 4th or 5th cousins. This close inbreeding left genetic identifiable mistakes like sequence repeats. Some of these flaws are also in European hablogroups that the Ashkenazi are consisted of just to a lesser frequency. Which is why it is quite common depending on which service you using for non Jewish European descendants to have some percentage of their ancestry to Ashkenazi DNA.

[@satiricgames2129]

So yeah I I have Middle East jewery in my bloodline also my great grandmother came from Iran as in the pogrom yeah she's she looked arab my da looked arab i look Iranian like my nan my bro looks greek😂

[@josephkania642]

Anti-Zionism is NOT equivalent to anti-semitism. Zionism IS Jewish ethno-nationalism. Anti-Wokesists are shooting themselves in their collective feet by picking a "side" in this Israel/Palestinian thing. You make yourself irrelevant by playing identity politics. It's all super hippocritical.

[@SurzhenkoAndrii]

But result is the same - jews are thrown away into the bin. Can you be anti-zionist without hating jews? p.s. Anti-zionism stinks of the soviet antisemitism which was masked as 'anti-ziaonism'

[@evamurray2564]

So it's ok for Arab nations to be 98% Muslim, Japan being mostly Japanese etc but to have one Jewish state, commence outrage. Ok. Zionism is just a basic concept that Israel should exist. That's it.

[@Shangori]

Then israel failed miserably when it comes to zionism, since over 20% of the population is arab and a good 5% is 'other', including palestinian. Not to mention that many jews are not 'racially' jew. It's a country with a lot less homogeneity then pretty much every other islamic country around them.

[@purdysanchez]

@evamurray2564 Your response doesn't have anything to do with the thing you're responding to

[@Kintabl]

There is more muslims citizens in Israel than there is Jews in all muslim countries together, muslim countries have like a 1000 Jews all toghether. There is two million muslim citizens in Israel, that is 20% of population. How is this an ethno state, you idiot? Anti-zionism is anti-semitism, you don't want Israel to exist.

[@purdysanchez]

This is a very tone deaf headline given the current reality of American and Israeli politics.

[@GoDrex]

LOL 😂

[@worldadventuretravel]

This is a JOKE... right?

[@mrharpable]

Actually the lack of Palestinian support for Kurdistan is.

[@benjaminmitchell5345]

Why don't Jews count ? what a loaded questions. Go South Africa

[@StopSettlerViolence]

What’s with this lie?

[@December151791]

Kevin MacDonald's book The Culture of Critique is the better book to read if you want the answer to this question.

[@BrianFullerPDX1]

It is so, so, so simple. Progressives and classic Americans are opposed to Zionism/apartheid, not the Jewish people. This seems so obvious that it is hard to not feel like pro-apartheid supporters conflate the two because they know their support of repressive government based on race and religion is indefensible. Let me write this out in crayon: you can be anti-Nazi without hating all German people. You can be anti-apartheid without hating all Jewish people. But we all already know this, right?

[@bensanderson7144]

Do you mean, “why don’t Palestinians count?” Or are you joking?

[@lewreed1871]

A few things struck me about this. First, criticism of the state of Israel and the Zionist project simply is not antisemitic. Such criticism is entirely valid according to one's ethics and politics. There is much about the state of Israel to criticise and to try to shut down such legitimate criticism by bleating and mewling about antisemitism is as cheap as 'playing the race card'. It's a canard and it's been worn out by overuse. You can't complain about the absurdities of wokery while at the same time trying to say that Jews aren't 'white'. The experience of Jewish people in Israel who are not of the Ashkenazi (white, European) elite gives the lie to that claim, to say nothing of the experience of Arabs there. I've been told by some Americans, presumably college students full of this guff, that until recently, Irish Americans weren't considered 'white', which is laughable. Jewish Americans and Irish Americans are not White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, if that is what is meant by 'white', but really, the claim that neither group is 'white' deserves nothing more than a derisory snort. The Irish balk at the claim. A Jewish person seeking to embrace it while also complaining about the stupidity of woke betrays not only inconsistency, but also what looks suspiciously like resentment at being nudged off the World's Greatest Victim pedestal, which has been a comfortable perch for Jewish people for some time. Some of us who are anti-woke might say they've been in that perch too long. The balancing act -- more like spinning plates -- used here to both defend freedom of expression while seeking to preclude it by distinguishing "demeaning rhetoric" from "ideas" is similarly duplicitous. Orwell: "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people things they do not want to hear." Voltaire: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Chomsky: "If you’re in favor of freedom speech, that means you’re in favor of free speech precisely for views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of freedom of speech." The principle is quite clear and shouldn't need restating. The claim that Jewish people are 'indigenous' to Palestine is an insult to the intelligence. A bunch of mostly secular, atheist people appealing to the Bible to support this claim is also insulting. I'm quite sure some people are itching to call me antisemitic for saying that, to which I say, if we're referring to Semitic people in the secular sense, we shouldn't try to hide the fact that the Palestinians are also Semitic people and their claim to that land, their heritage and ancestry there, runs rather deeper than mere squatters' rights. I may have missed it, but I don't think I heard the Palestinians mentioned once in this discussion. To complain about displacement in the context of what is being done to Palestinians now and has been going on for seventy-five years is beneath contempt, not least because the Israeli policy of settlement is illegal under international law, which Israel flagrantly disregards. To complain about the firepower of Hezbollah when Israel has dropped explosives with more power than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined on a largely unarmed people confined in an open prison is contemptible. I'm in full agreement that wokery is moronic, and my anger with them for playing fast and loose with language is only redoubled in light of what is being done in Gaza. With all their talk of "genociding" trans people and such, and calling people racists and bigots often for little more than flaring a nostril at some inane utterance of theirs, they've emptied those very important terms of their meaning. I would have thought Jewish people would be sensitive to this. I know I am, as an Irishman aware of what was inflicted on my people not that long ago, to the extent that the population of Ireland still hasn't recovered to what it was in the mid-19th century and one of my own earliest memories is of a bomb going off across the street from my family home. The Irish don't bemoan this stuff. It would be beneath them, which is not to say they don't have long memories. We don't hear much from the Russians about the twenty-seven million they lost in the war either. Might I make a simple suggestion? If Jewish people are worried about antisemitism and are intent on identifying with the state of Israel, itself the gift of the British Empire far more than the UN, which merely made it legal, then they should acquaint themselves with the notion of the 'higher patriotism' which is that to criticise one's country is to do it a service. The patriotism the whole world can see from Jewish people for Israel is more akin to what Samuel Johnson called "the last refuge of the scoundrel". The higher patriotism, as Albert Camus wrote in one of his Letters to a German Friend, is "what separated us from you; we made demands. You were satisfied to serve the power of your nation and we dreamed of giving ours her truth..."

[@saraleigh5336]

(a) Jews aren’t white. (b) no one thinks criticizing Israel is antisemitic. Using double standards around Israel is antisemitic. Claiming it shouldn’t exist is antisemitic Best of luck as you learn more about this.

[@lewreed1871]

@@saraleigh5336 a) Jews of European descent are as white as any other European, and European Jews run Israel. b) Criticising Israel is constantly met with allegations of antisemitism and this canard is constantly pushed, to the extent that Merriam Webster included criticism of the state of Israel under its definitions of antisemitism. This has now been removed, but so too has Israel been removed as an example of an apartheid regime. There are no "double standards" around Israel. It is quite singular in what it gets away with, from sinking a US naval vessel with impunity to acquiring nuclear weapons illegally with impunity to flouting international law repeatedly and with impunity. If there is a "double standard" on Israel, it works strongly in Israel's favour, garnering obsequious mollycoddling by the international community and a position among nations of inordinate privilege. Not that I hold this view, but to say that Israel was never the gift of the British Empire to grant is not antisemitic. It is a valid argument. To point out that it has expanded beyond what anyone imagined in Balfour's time, or when it was recognised as a state and even beyond its 1967 borders is valid. Don't condescend to me about a learning curve. You could probably brush up some yourself. And please, have some dignity. For once stop trying to play the victim. It's revolting and it's worn very thin.

[@jittmet7766]

There is never criticism. Only demonisation.

[@lewreed1871]

@@jittmet7766 Rubbish.

[@jdenyer7921]

Click bait

[@williambillingsford9987]

You clicked it and engaged with it through commenting. Guess you're no better than a fish.

[@jenna2431]

I don't judge people according to their race or religion or whatever. I judge their behavior. And 75 YEARS of ignoring the requirements of settlement is BAD behavior. Balfour was explicit: leave the indigenous in peace. A small group of criminals needs to be apprehended, not murdering 20,000 people who weren't involved.

[@eileenglaysher1552]

I have a 75 year old neighbour she’s a retired teacher & she’s a fully paid up to the socialist/Leninist/ etc etc, at no time has she made any comment or the odd murmur re 7/10 but she still goes on in her anti Israeli ranting, poor exploited Palestinians . This individual is the product of abJewish mother who got out in time , aged 18;from Austria, ended up with Quaker family in Eire/ Dublin where they supported her , and she graduated as a medic. All this woman’s family lost to Holocast, yet her privileged daughter who although enjoys wealth, finest champagne & cake despises the wes5 and all it stands for. . Fail to understand this type of individual or anyone else who dismisses 7/10, I am not Jewish although showed up 4*5 Ashkenazi in DNA test but I am clos3 to Isreal through family marriage & kids born in Israel . Long live Isreal🤍 💙🤍🇦🇷🇦🇷 🇦🇷

[@jonnyoneplate]

Deth 2 🇮🇱

[@geraldgooding9790]

Woke is justified if don't like it bring something better.