Why Europe’s Right-Wing is More Divided Than You Think

[@britishninja]

Nationalists not getting along with another nations, im flabbergasted

[@mihaimaracine5373]

Yeah normal parties shouldn t care about their nations if it benefits the EU

[@mihaimaracine5373]

Also did you even watch the video? Or are you just a yt bot posting random shit because this does not relate

[@beanoboy62]

​@@mihaimaracine5373 what are you talking about?

[@oqocraft2661]

@@mihaimaracine5373 Also did you even watch the video? Or are you just a yt bot posting random shit because this does not relate

[@Adri9570]

- Someone doesn't respect my traditions? Hold my beer! - Teammates from the same party group: no, I won't hold that stinky beverage. *_Captain Europe: Civil W4r, first release in 2024_*

[@Pablopablo357]

How can you skip on the Russia question? ID is very Russia-friendly, whereas ECR is strongly against Russia

[@thedutchfoxxx]

It's not that simple. Fidesz joining ECR would make it a lot more pro-Russia, whereas Lepen is more pro-Ukrainian leaning despite being in ID.

[@lawtraf8008]

@@thedutchfoxxx Le pen pro-Ukrainian leaning? As a French, I have to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. She's very pro-Russia and here in France, we all know that. She has been in hot water last year because of her and her party were exposed for being funded millions by dodgy Russian banks for years for their campaigns.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@thedutchfoxxx Calling the Anti-Russia side "Pro-Ukrainian" is silly. Everyone knows their anti-Russia stance is what motivates them.

[@713max]

@@thedutchfoxxx "Lepen is more pro-Ukrainian" I don't where this come from, but it is so wrong. She and her party vote against sending weapons to Ukraine. She has distanced herself from Russia since the invasion, but she has always seen Putin as a role model.

[@pz4336]

@@713max her official position is to support ukraine, you need to update your information

[@Thought_Processing_]

This is not really surprising to me. The EU is by its very nature a multi national organisation. Nationalists as a general rule want their nation to be predominant or perhaps even a hegemonic. It does not surprise me that most of them are euro-sceptic as the EU is a power theoretically above their nation, but it also doesn't surprise me that they have difficulty working together as they are nationalists of competing nationalities so are natural enemies as their theoretical ideal scenarios are in direct opposition.

[@mathias5578]

''natural enemies'' People with similar mindsets are not natural enemies.

[@incurableromantic4006]

You clearly don't understand the modern right. In all of these countries, their priorities are stopping mass-immigration and preserving their own cultures. You can put an Irish, English, German and Italian nationalist in the same discussion: and they agree on far more than they disagree on. They loath the left in their own country far more than they loath the country next door. This isn't 1850 anymore, and European nationalists really are not thinking much about annexing some province on the border.

[@incurableromantic4006]

You clearly don't understand the modern right. In all of these countries, their priorities are stopping mass-immigration and preserving their own cultures. You can put an Irish, English, German and Italian nationalist in the same discussion: and they agree on far more than they disagree on. They dislike the left in their own country far more than they dislike the country next door. This isn't 1850 anymore, and European nationalists really are not thinking much about annexing some province on the border.

[@captainvanisher988]

Nationalism usually doesn't mean dominion over other nations, just independence from other nations. Keeping one's nation's sovereignty is a common goal amongst nationalists. Their disagreements are more superficial on some ideological differences i.e Ukraine

[@pebblepod30]

That's totally wrong. I second what Captain Vanisher said. I'm sure Nationalists disagree just as much as Globalists. Also Nationalism is also a (good imo) reaction against the harm of Globalist Capitalism.

[@Lewa500]

Nothing surprising here. Right wingers, like their left counterparts, are not a monolith. That's what a healthy political landscape looks like. If everybody started agreeing with each other, then I would start to worry.

[@meilinchan7314]

As a Malaysian i can confirm that this last part about the need to worry is true.

[@Enden31]

I would argue that a more healthy political landscape would not include f*scists but a diverse normal right wing is great indeed

[@herberthoover1257]

incredibly sane take

[@volumist]

The myth of "leftist infighting", comes from the fact that during Spanish Civil War, nationalists had Franco merging and holding the front, while republicans had lolwho, whom no one respected and republicans even dared to rise up against. You see that if right wing doesn't have a respectable figure leading them, they would be as divided as leftist cointerpart.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

There is no right anymore. The left weaponizes social behaviors and drives the right away through fear of being called racist and through financial repercussions. There is no balance.

[@alexvlkvkna]

Sz in Hungarian is pronounced as [s], so Fidesz is pronounced as [fides]

[@SuhbanIo]

finally someone with a brain

[@KameroonEmperor]

Fidesh

[@ivion9490]

@@SuhbanIo not everyone knows Hungarian, so the problem isn't really from lack of a brain

[@nick90000]

think Fidesz translates to garbaaaage I believe

[@Dread_2137]

And to make it more confusing, [s] is pronounced [sh].

[@Dread_2137]

When european right-wingers just said "we are right-wing but not hungary lvl right-wing"💀

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Hungary is so right wing even the others are like "dude youre doing too much."

[@leekleek1]

Hungary is the average right wing everyone would agree with 20 years ago. What's different is Orban has the political power to stop left wingers at the door & actually conserve

[@la1sk203]

Hungary ain't even that right wing just dicktatorial and authoritarian and getting more corrupt

[@triceratops7084]

Hungary is not even more right wing than any of the others,its that the ukraine war hawk lobby wants to keep funding their war no matter what

[@Anonymous6634]

Orban is not only pro-Putin, he is also pro-China and Erdogan's ally.

[@lkrnpk]

I think a big rift is between pro-Putin right wingers and anti-Putin right wingers too... then again same can be said about left wing too. Usually Scandinavians and East Europeans (excl. Hungary and maybe Slovakia in parts) + Italian lady and Dutch are staunchly anti - Putin both on left and right wing, but with others there can be differences

[@mapache69.]

To be fair, the left has a very large Culturally Conservative crowd in largely Eastern European Countries + Germany’s new left wing party + Denmarks social Democratic Party who agree with the Right on Immigration and Wokeism, while still be economically on the left.

[@Jeuro38]

Gotta love how when Meloni came to power it was all screams of hysteria, a fascist in Italy, Mussolini's back, brace for the Apocalypse, and now she's travelling with the most establishment caricature of Europe and none has to apologise for the BS

[@bloodwargaming3662]

Avg right wing Capitalist always at the foot of Capitalists. She literally supports everything she opposed

[@govaert7]

Well, she's playing a tactical game to soften here tone and policies in public and is showing the public opinion and world leaders that far-right politicians can make compromises and deals. But that's all smoke and mirrors, her government is definitely hollowing out human rights for lgbtq people and surrogacy in silence in Italy.

[@Yumemaru.]

Well when someone who's spewing fascist rhetoric comes to power, you're gonna have people worried about them lol.

[@andylu6150]

What are the things she supports which she previously opposed?

[@anto8375]

​@@andylu6150italexit, reuse the Italian money, the immigrants can land to another country, no spending review, no austerity...

[@cgt3704]

Its not "divided" its how it had always been. Its just that people now decided to stop generalising others

[@rb98769]

The same people who have been lumping everyone else as "far right" are suddenly shocked to find out that there is more to it than that and act like it's news. 🙄

[@Bayard1503]

Populists disagreeing?? I'm shocked, shocked I say!!

[@TheGoukaruma]

It's not like other groups don't. Disagreeing is a main part of the job.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@TheGoukarumaother disagree even more 😂😂 the left in Italy is at 19% sure they are going to win. 😂😂

[@marciusnhasty]

Some political parties in Europe aren't populist, they're dead serious on their ideology. Those are the really scary ones. That's what defines party as radical, they actually want to implement what they campaign on and hold far from center positions.

[@Emre130-o5v]

I have a feeling that you don‘t know what populism means

[@lander681]

Are you using 'populits' as a synonym for 'right wing parties?'

[@jacobbwalters8133]

I think the major distinction between ECR and ID is that at their heart, ECR politicians genuinely believe in democracy and the European project, while believing in the promotion of national identity conservative policies within that framework. Many of the ID parties, on the other hand, favor a more burn it all down mentality towards the EU and don’t see the regression of democratic values as such a terrible thing. I know that some of the ECR parties are considering including Fidez, but I would be highly surprised if that union came to pass. Fidez seems more closely aligned politically with the ID parties, and it seems to me that Orban is only considering joining ECR because of their more prominent position and influence within the EU. ECR likely wants to allow talks with Fidez to keep Orban in the fold and keep him from creating new headaches, but were ECR to allow Fidez to join, it would not only fracture their coalition, but it would also reduce their influence over the more powerful EPP.

[@jonasmejerpedersen4847]

Inger Støjberg of the Denmarks Democrats, the new main right-wing party in Denmark, has also said she wont stay in the ECR if Fidesz joins

[@Carewolf]

Not really right wing as much as a lying party, based on a lie, set up to promote more lies.

[@euanduthie2333]

I'm surprised that the video didn't find time to mention that the UK's conservative party was partly responsible for the rift in the European right, having been a major player in the split of the ECR from the EPP. The split was part of Cameron's posturing on Europe that was supposed to placate the Anti-Europe faction in his party, and we all see how that turned out.

[@euanmilne7418]

would love to see more european parliament videos ngl

[@mollymo6229]

Okay french from an overseas territory here - mayotte is very conservative for a reason migration on the island is very violent and destroying and terrorising the population to a point where people stay home and children do not go to school. So German FD whatever can say anything its not gonna change that Marine Le Pen is very popular and her trip already happened! She was like a super star on the island

[@jontalbot1]

If it wasn’t for immigration most of these parties would be tiny. It’s their moment until the mainstream parties get a grip like the Danish Social Democrats

[@nozellot]

Here in Austria, the remigration discussed in Germany is just something the FPÖ openly wants.

[@mrsupremegascon]

Yeah, dont understand why it's so controversial, this is stuff that most country do, from Japan to USA. Typical Europeans thinking they are more virtuous while destroying their country.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@mrsupremegascon The USA does not do remigration to its own citizens. Neither does Japan.

[@jasonhaven7170]

And the FPO is losing.

[@jirislavicek9954]

And they are right

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@jirislavicek9954 Nazis

[@0Defensor0]

Sorry, but I have to criticize the way you pronounce things. The "sz" at the end of FIDESZ is the "s" in English. Meanwhile the "s" in Budapest is pronounced as "sh" correctly, you basically had them backwards.

[@steffen6987]

5:40 "Czech and Slovakian" It's Slovak, not Slovakian.

[@Togangehver14dag]

Czechoslovak

[@ricequackers]

Politics working as designed then, moderates working together to sideline the extremists.

[@00fgytduydrtu]

What is a "Moderate" and an "Extremists" is whatever the Elite of a Society tells.

[@jikkh2x]

There is nothing “moderate” about the genocide of Europe.

[@dallysinghson5569]

The shift rightwards was triggered when a large number of darker skinned folk were moving from Syria to Europe. Russia being Russia, would carpet bomb/destroy cities, therefore contributing to the migration. Then, Orban being the angel that he is, assisted in transporting the migrants from Hungary to other EU countries.

[@Ifraneljadida]

I’m a right winger and see this as a positive thing. The left wing disagreed about everything the past fifty years and that led to total policy victory. You need arguments to get to the best solutions. The right wing was just so defeated that from the distance it looked like a monolith

[@bloodwargaming3662]

You must livin'n the life past 5-7 years ? 😂

[@Ifraneljadida]

@@bloodwargaming3662 dude watching the pendulum swing is WILD. I've also watched China super closely (for a normal person lol) and it has been even crazier watching what is happening with them Girls like soap operas, some dudes love sports... I love geopolitics. Can't help it

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@Ifraneljadida Don't use Black slang.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@jasonhaven7170 Aside from such a statement being bizarre on its own, what slang are you even talking about?

[@l_h_2]

Im right winger too but coach sometimes puts me on the right back.

[@shinydewott]

4:49 Minor correction: Fidesz is pronounced as “Fides”. “Fidesh” would be Fides in Hungarian

[@GeekVincent]

The N-VA is looking to leave the ECR too. They don’t feel at home there anymore since the British left.

[@darth856]

Where would they go? To the EPP? ID seems like too extreme a group for them.

[@GeekVincent]

@@darth856 They are either looking to go to EPP or Renew. If they’re allowed.

[@mapache69.]

@@GeekVincent🤣. They’re better off being a Non Inscrit or join ID.

[@bozulzrican]

how you know that?

[@GeekVincent]

@@bozulzrican Belgian news articles, even Flemish minister-president Jan Jambon (N-VA) said that they’re probably gonna leave ECR because the party doesn’t feel at home there anymore. The articles said they’re looking to either EPP or Renew.

[@paul1979uk2000]

The real problem for them is that moderate parties are really successful because there policies are moderated, far left or far right are less likely to get along with each other because there policies can go to the extream in many areas, making it difficult to work with each other. Then on top of that, you've got many of them that are moderating to appeal to more voters, and it's probably why throughout history, far left and far right parties rarely do that well long term, and usually when they do well, it's because the mainstream parties are messing up so the extream parties take advantage of the anger in voters. The reason why so many parties that are seen as far left or far right are toning down many of their policies, it's because they know that if they want to appeal to voters long term, they need to tone there policies down to have any chance of winning elections time after, otherwise, they have this chance of power, mess things up a lot with there extream policies and voters are unlikely to vote them back in, some extream parties get that, others don't, that will make it difficult for them to work with each other unless the population at large becomes radicalised, which if that were to happen, we've got a lot more problems to worry about and basically, as long as the population at large is mostly moderated, the far left and far right are not really much of a threat, yes they can have the odd victories, and yes they can rule on fear, but it's hard for them to succeed when the population isn't on the same wavelength as them.

[@Miamcoline]

Helpful thank you!

[@ShannetGibbs-jc9cj]

This is not a surprised for many. Who agrees?

[@aaronjones8905]

It's the difference between those who are able to govern and those who just want to criticize.

[@mrvwbug4423]

Right wing populists have yet to produce a stable, decent government in Europe. For all the praise Meloni gets outside of Italy for her foreign policy, her domestic policy is still a mess of dumpster fire budgets and populist pandering. It's just like the MAGA cult in the US, they can't govern they only know greivance and complaining.

[@Xgennn57]

EPP is "conservative" depending on which party we're talking about. A lot of them are centrist

[@etyl2494]

being a centrist is somehow right-wing or conservative nowadays

[@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921]

The only thing "conservative" about them is that they just happen to be to the right of the extreme left 😂. Calling them centrist is generous at best.

[@georgios_5342]

In Greece they're basically leftist. They recently legalized gay marriage 😅

[@nntflow7058]

@@etyl2494 No, some centrist party are left leaning or right leaning (center-left/center-right). The Center-right parties tend to align themselves with right wing or other center-right wing parties in their country when it's time to form coalition. Same goes for center-left parties and their tendencies to align themselves with a more left leaning parties.

[@Siranoxz]

@@etyl2494 Then people are idiots today.

[@antonioposa4070]

Strangely enough, in Italy you might say that Meloni's fratelli d'Italia is further right if compared to Lega. And Meloni was definitely inspired by Marine Le Pen

[@Deni-nl1ce]

I was thinking the same. Lega is more eurosceptic however

[@colgategilbert8067]

This just sounds So European with different local interests and its plethora of parties, unlike, say, the US or Japan. But Europeans have had very regional and localized differences for only at least 2500 years.

[@mtlilr]

0:59 Who told you that EPP is right-wing? That's absurd! They're center-center right, not right-wing!

[@careloes]

I always had this question, now you told me why!!😂 Thanks

[@Drakholm]

I fucking wish this was the kind of diverse infighting we had in the U.S. Instead it's just a single line in the sand with only two parties trying to out-idiot each other.

[@donatist59]

The SZ in Fidesz is pronounced "s" not "sh".

[@antoniotorcoli5740]

I am pretty sure nationalist hungarians and nationalist Romanians do not get along very well

[@xyz-uw3ps]

I lost count of the references to the "far-right". Are you guys auditioning for Channel 4, Sky, or the BBC?

[@diogorodrigues747]

Yeah, and?

[@krisdaschwab912]

True or false: Le Pen, Salvini, Orban and Konfederacja are far right.

[@Revokefarleft]

What do you expect from them bro 😅 they think that having borders is a far-right thing so yeah

[@Revokefarleft]

@@krisdaschwab912not even close bruh 😂 they are no far-right parties in EU

[@lawtraf8008]

All those channels are right wings so what's your point ?

[@ChrisMcKennaCMK]

Which parties where the UK parties apart of before they left?

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

Not nearly as divided as thr left in its constant civil war

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

There are two main right wing blocks and ofcourse they're at odds. Corporates are pro EU integration, while nationalists are strongly opposed to that, and this split breaks the far right

[@RichelieuUnlimited]

It‘s basically about where they think they can make more money.

[@anthonnybrownnn9760]

It will be very hard for evry thing to go right in Europe, because of all these groups. Soom pulling right and some pulling left. So they cannot get it right some times.

[@KentaurusRigil]

I didn't know Ursula Van was in the Right Wing..

[@GreyMASTA]

How surprising that political movements focussing on division and isolation have a hard time to unite and stand together.

[@Revokefarleft]

And how surprising that left wing politicians focusing on controlling the narrative and creating a Soviet Union instead of EU can remain together 😅😅

[@Vatnik_tschistilka]

A lot of these freaks even have issues sticking together within their own parties like Germany's AfD. So working together with a foreign party is like their Everest😂

[@Anixander6230]

you lefties are Islamist.

[@Kie-01]

This video needs an update, Le Pen has just removed AfD from ID

[@krunoslavkovacec1842]

So what? Are they supposed to be a bland monolith with no personalities of their own? It's enough if right wing parties win in their own countries and make the Euripean Parliament as right wing as possible

[@Philsmahsmchjsb]

The Meloni / LePen ‘spat’ fails to acknowledge the most obvious - Meloni is a national leader whereas LePen is an opposition leader. If this changed and LePen became president of France I can see those criticisms levelled at Meloni ended.

[@me0101001000]

I'd like to phone in a movie quote for this: Let them fight.

[@kingdomofbird8174]

I think the left ones weren't "united" in the first place, they seem to be quite divided on Palestine and NATO, and somewhat towards Russia, GUE/NGL has many Pro-Russia, Euro skeptical, and Anti NATO parties, while S&D is more soft pro- NATO, heavily pro-ukraine, and currently in coalition with the EPP The unity seems to be coming mostly from the center EPP S&D Renew

[@wolfgangrenner4152]

You did not mention the severe difference between ECR and ID regarding EU-Europe against Russia-Vassals. The ECR is rightwing regarding population politics and economic issues. But Meloni and ECR is for an "Great-Europe" from Lissabon to Tiflis. But ID is definitely against EU as new fourth Globalpower beside China and Russia. ECR will continue atlantic partnership with USA and retain NATO. ID want to dismantle NATO, EU and any ideas of "Great-Europe". ID targets to integrate a weakend Europe into Putins Eurasic Union lead from Russia and taking Europe and China as Vassal states of Zar Wladimir Putin. This is a very important difference between ECR and ID. And Victor Orban should join the ID Group. This is his true home group. And neither ECR or EPP. I personlly like Meloni but dislike Le Pen. Let Macron continue France leadership. Germany may get a Germany---Red-Yellow-Black coalition from SPD-FDP-CDU to block out the extremestic Green and Blue (AFD) parties. A coalition of Renew Europe with EPR and ECR could do a similar step on EU stage. Block out extremist from Left and Right and build a coallision for Pro Great-EU-Europe parties to form a stronger Europe as fourth Global Player.

[@ldubt4494]

Fully agree, but i think orban could also start his own european party that focuses on illiberalism, anti westernism, but pragmatism on the EU, as he is, although anti western, not as anti EU per se as much of the ID.

[@ldubt4494]

​​@nonradicalnationalist6608 as far as i know mi hazank is not part of ID not does it want to join, so it will remain unaffiliated

[@crhu319]

So ID is most realistic about post USA world.

[@wolfgangrenner4152]

@@crhu319 Yes, and this is the reason why I don't support ID. You prefere Russia over USA as world leading power ? I don't do so. I stand behind EPP which is for continuation of atlantic partnership. I think that Macron is right, that EU-Europe must become adult and abel to operate as independend own Superpower. But I do not like Macrons Anti-US rethorics. Probably he is doing so to fetch some voters from the Le Pen Block with (stupid) national statements. Everybody in Europe (clear in mind) knows that today a single european national state is nothing on world stage. Only an united Europe will take third place behind USA and China. Russia has a lot of Nukes, Shells and country space. Also a lot of ore, coal, oil an gas. But is Russia an leading force in lifestyle, culture, industrie etc. ? No Russia is therewith the same like North Korea. So do not dream from Russian World Empire. Will be North Korea wrapped around the whole Globe. China is much stronger in industries and modern lifestyle issues. But China is not the entire World of culture etc..

[@Brown95P]

Honestly, Fidesz should just join the ID; they'd fit in *_perfectly_* alongside Le Pen Jr and A-fascist-D.

[@Kaizzer]

Lega are very populist and somehow pro-Putin as well

[@darth856]

I suspect Orban's desire to join ECR is a tactical move, hoping to have more influence that way. I agree they fit in way better with the openly Putin-adoring parties in the ID.

[@mapache69.]

AFD is about as fascist as a box of Kellogg’s Cereal. Nothing Fascistic about being against Colonization.

[@mrvwbug4423]

ID might as well just rename themselves to "Putins lapdogs"

[@Mitjitsu]

The true enemy more often than not lies within.

[@giantWario]

Why is this surprising exactly? Never mind being worth making a video for? Macron and Schultz don't exactly get along either despite being both centrist. Hell, most political parties throughout Europe these days don't even seem to be able to be fully unified, they all have some factions and internal issues so never mind two different parties in two different countries.

[@Leon-le9cn]

Why discuss reality when you can just ignore it

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

Neither Macron, nor Scholtz are centrists, especially Scholtz, a former DRG crony. "Hell, most political parties throughout Europe these days don't even seem to be able to be fully unified, they all have some factions and internal issues so never mind two different parties in two different countries." And why is this a bad thing? Diversity of opinion and conflicts of visions in the political landscape is a token of a democratic society. When everyone is united and there is no dissent, that is when you should be worried about.

[@faissal3055]

Scholz is a social democrat

[@mtr801]

@@faissal3055 Yes, a very moderate social democrat.

[@faissal3055]

@@mtr801 that is true, but it is also because he is in a coalition with the fdp, the most fiscally conservative and market liberal party in parliament

[@r2sav175]

6:00 hehe involved in the ‘beef’🤓🤓

[@therealnuggetball]

The Czech ODS has basically let their group (which they were a co-founder of) change from the "conservatives are reformists" to a patchwork of populist and neofacist parties with different oppions on many key issues... But don't want to actually join the real fascists in ID Like I'm not a conservative far away on the other side actually, but seeing the governing anti-populist, pro Western, generic right wing, softly socially conservative party (ODS) in the same group as Law and Justice or The Brothers of Italy and potentially Fidesz.... That's very very weird and out of place.

[@matuskriska8361]

Same goes here in slovakia for SaS, but even they are socially liberal, but also eurosceptic and now are paired with PiSs and other neofascist parties. Its horrible

[@TheBluverde]

Do you think they could join the EPP like the other Spolu member parties?

[@therealnuggetball]

@@TheBluverde wouldn't count on it, but I don't see how they couldn't be conservative and softly Eurosceptic in EPP there are many conservatives that are soft Eurosceptics there... If Orban joins I think there is a possibility

[@therealnuggetball]

@@matuskriska8361 noticed that too... Like I get it SAS are libertarians and more right than most EPP parties but still... I

[@vladimirbrabec69]

If you look at Brothers of Italy they evolved. You unfairly treat them as fascist. You could also say ODS is party ruled by mafia or more modestly "Kmotrové". But that would be really stupid. On the other hand PiS is kind of different matter. Their antiabortion policies are quite crossing line. But to be fair their opportunistic "suck up EU fund" policy was quite succesfull. So I get your sentiment here.

[@agritech802]

Two things that amuse me about commentary on the left and right are 1. The populist right is a term often used to describe and deride the far right but no mention is ever made of the far left. In fact, I would argue that left right and centre politicians are all populist as they seek to please their voter segment. 2. No mention is made of the complicated policies of left and right and how they often contradict each other. For example you can have a party who is conservative on some issues and liberal on other issues.

[@Vatnik_tschistilka]

Nationalists from different countries not being able to find common ground. Oh wow how could that ever have happened?😅

[@gordonw.8831]

ID and ECR are completely different. You can't put them together as just being "right wing".

[@francescomasiero7285]

No, ID and ECR are both very right wing

[@inesis]

There are 2 types of right-wing groups: - Receive money from putin - Doesn't receive money from putin

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Are we going to classify people based on who receives money 💰 from the USA 🦅 like that too? Or is bribery only wrong when they other side does it? 🙄

[@БодяДробовик]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Some lenders take percents for allowing use of theirs money, other prefer soul/ dirty compromat and betrayal of nation as a way of dealing with it.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@БодяДробовик Well, a pity we don't lock up leaders who take bribes from the USA 🦅 then.

[@carrstone01]

The focus of this clip is wrong. It’s not the infighting that *s worrisome but he ominous silence when everybody agrees.

[@XY-uc1tw]

Right-Wing parties wants to protect their countries national benefits. As different countries have different interests, it's just normal that they're not thinking the same. The other way around is weird; some countries benefit from the EU much more, and some countries are getting nothing but still supporting the EU. Something is wrong here!

[@Lewa500]

No such thing. Every country benefits from frictionless trade, which is what the common market enables. Whatever money richer nations put in is made back several times over thanks to that.

[@Siranoxz]

I have nothing against the center right EPP or even the center left, but the ones strafing far right and far left will fracture Europe and especially the EU into a weaker continent based on old habits and isolationism and especially idealistic traditional old ways of governing countries in the modern day. Far right and Far left has always resulted in autocratic populism if given a chance.

[@wile123456]

Enlightened Centrism I agree with you if by far left you mean communists, but the democratic socialist parties are the ones who will improve europe, the oens who defend the climate the best, and the ones promoting democracy and human rights stronger than any other group.

[@dankrobin4965]

Ah yes concerned about the far left while the far right is rising for years Makes total sense for a democracy..

[@soundscape26]

Agreed

[@rafflesiaandfriends]

Don't bunch the far left with any right leaning party or group

[@scipion34]

@@rafflesiaandfriends Horseshoe fact strikes again.

[@googane7755]

Nationalists don't like other nationalists? Whaaaaaaat that's crazy bro

[@Tiasung]

That just shows the level of propaganda this video portrays, and how easily people like you fall for obvious illogical conclusions. Nationalists are the ones that like other nationalists the mosts. The reason being they respect countries that respect their own way of life and culture and stand for their people. So what you and the video claim couldnt be further from the truth. But its unsurprisingly that a side that demonizes any line of thought that is not identical to their own as being ''right wing extremist'' etc, has a hard time getting to terms with the truth.

[@SLDimarco]

@@Tiasung lmao okay, because historically nationalists have stayed within the boundaries of their nation and haven't harmed other nations in their pursuit of putting themselves first.

[@googane7755]

@@Tiasung The Yugoslav wars and the 19th and 20th century disproves that. Even Mussolini didn't get along Hitler until he was forced to join his side after facing complete diplomatic isolation from the League. Nationalists only co-operate if they have mutual interests and purely see each other as a means to an end. As soon as it's advantageous to put your own group over the other they will not hesitate.

[@Liamg1999]

@@Tiasung definition of nationalism - "identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations", note how it says "to the detriment of other nations"

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@googane7755 "Nationalists only co-operate if they have mutual interests and purely see each other as a means to an end. As soon as it's advantageous to put your own group over the other they will not hesitate." This applies for pretty much any political party though. Other political blocks may get along on national level, but that doesn't mean it applies on international relations. The left in Europe is also very different. The left in the West is different than the left in the East.

[@lamalama9717]

As someone on the other side of the world (Oceania), I have trouble understanding how/why 'Eurosceptic' parties nevertheless play the game of trying to get representation in the EU Parliament? Doesn't it tend to result in them becoming more embedded in the very bureaucracy gravy train they complain about?

[@rb98769]

This has always been the case. Maybe this wouldn't be surprising if you stopped painting everything in broad strokes and actually paid attention to the news you're covering.

[@tom63700]

All countries should be open to all migrants. This way, if european far right people don't like it, they could just open a colony in Africa or something.

[@sisxxkayx4334]

As a liberal, I think this media is so biased. Do you hear him calling the Greens radical left? No.

[@withoutshadowww]

Greens are usually centre-left, some of them are centrist, and nowadays rarely left especially radical left. German Greens are nowadays centrist, militaristic, pro-war, pro-US, very much anti-communist as well. They prefer a coalition with conservatives and liberals over socialists.

[@XY-uc1tw]

​@@withoutshadowww German Greens are extreme socialists for local politics. In foreign politics, they just do what the USA says.

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah unfortunately it happens all the time on social media. All non-mainstream right wing parties are always labelled as far right, radical or fascist but with the left it’s always left leaning, moderate and centre left

[@TheBluverde]

Because most green parties are centre-left these days.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@withoutshadowww They are not in coalition with conservatives, they are with socialists and liberals. And they are far-left from a conservative point of view. Green Deal is a far left policy. They are anti-Russia, I'll give you that, but that doesn't make them center or center-left.

[@SotoAdvert]

As an EU citizen I didn't know anything about this.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

I tend to dislike how people use "The Right" and "The Left" as generalizations because you wouldn't say that someone who when asked where they leaned stops for a while and says "Yeah I guess I sorta lean center-right wing" and Hitler are in the same group, and you wouldn't say that someone who when asked where they leaned stops for a while and says "yeah I guess I sorta lean center-left wing" and Stalin are in the same group.

[@nero9506]

I think one of the main reasons why this tends to be a problem is the semi-recent spread of the bipartisan rethoric that characterizes the US, with Republicans and Democrats being the only main references for right and left over there. And there's no doubt that US politics are influential over here in the EU as well, which is why some people tend to absorb some idiocies of their system such as said oversimplification of politics (or rather, dumbifying IMO).

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

@@nero9506 Agreed especially since the U.S. is definitely the strongest country in terms of soft power and easily the most powerful European country (metaphorically speaking).

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Maybe. Part of it could be that there's been a pretty big convergence on general policy and ideas among most parties and politicans in Europe. It's however always easy and convenient to blame external forces, the US making an ideal boogeyman.

[@NQR-9000]

Interesting choice of last image with Michel and Zelensky. That makes me think that there is a rift even at the very head of the EU between Charles Michel, who comes from the party furthest on the right in French speaking Belgium, the MR, which is however at the european level in a group (ALDE) on the left of the PPE, and who is vocal on things like asking for a ceasefire in Gaza, and Ursula Von Der Layden, who seems not having problem cosying up with Meloni. I think there is indeed a very deep ideological division in Europe, and it will only become clearer and clearer with time, as the different points of disagrement condense into ideological identities...

[@attilaabonyi8879]

I hope our continents politics wont become that of america's

[@deeznutz8320]

it allready is​@@attilaabonyi8879

[@foute90s]

This aged pretty well

[@lautaroaguilar9584]

This didn’t age well 😂

[@CENTRIX4]

Kermit Roosevelt and Walt Disney are the same person his brother is Archie Roosevelt. If anyone is unable to understand the above sentence do some research!

[@NottoriousGG]

The main rift is between those that acknowledge a collective European indentity, and those which do not. Those who do are staunchly Europeíst, I count among their ranks.

[@AlexanderofMiletus]

As well as I. Europa invicta!

[@NottoriousGG]

@@AlexanderofMiletus invicta Europa est

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

Those who acknowledge it? Leftist do? I missed that part.... They don't even think we exists.

[@AlexanderofMiletus]

@@NottoriousGG Thanks for the correction

[@jikkh2x]

Are you? Or are you a globalist?

[@michaela9079]

2:53 Im confused, can MEP’s also be MPs in their own countries respective parliaments?

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

so, I made a quick search, and you have basically the ECR as political group in the European Parliament, and the ECR party, which comprises not just the political group but also all the other members. So Meloni presides over the ECR party, but not the group in the parliament and is not herself an MEP, if that makes sense.

[@alepunto7404]

Is divided because nowadays anyone who is not a leftist is called a "right wing". In other words, there is no division, but a lot of different political opitions that are put together by the left in the "right wing" bag

[@fmvm]

correct! There is no ideology of "the right", at least you can find 3 major ideologies: conservatives/traditionalists, nationalists, and libertarians. And a whole mix like in a Venn diagram

[@kasetoast8354]

Thats funny, because in germany, everybody who is not far-right is called left-extremist by the AFD.

[@bloodwargaming3662]

Lmao . No only the right wingers are called right wing

[@animationfanatic2133]

I`ve never quite understood that if you`re someone or part of an organization that doesn't like the EU or is "sceptical" about it then why would you join. To me it seems like trying to put out the fire by sitting in the house, but I'm American so its probably a different way of looking at things

[@TheSjostedt]

We will see if the Sweden Democrats actually mean business. Until recently, and they still do, they called Hungary a "model-country" for them. It is only a recent development for SD to be pro-NATO, and anti-Russian enough to condemn Orban. It is a domestic play for the election, because being pro-Ukraine and anti-Hungary plays well with the Swedish electorate. How they will act when the rubber hits the road is a different matter.

[@Anke06]

The Sweden Democrats as a party calling Hungary as a whole a "model country" for them is not true. What are your sources? The party leader has been very clear what he thinks about Hungary's democratic problems.

[@_tsu_]

Yeah maybe some politicians is SD liked Fidesz but they were always pro NATO. And supporting Russia is a clear red line and changing one's stance based on that is commendable. Everything they have done off late says they mean business.

[@leonardoleo5740]

Being swedish, I can totally see them going the way Meloni went.

[@comedyriff5231]

SD´s anti-Russia stance is genuine. Whether they´ll be softer on Hungary in the future, I don´t know. But as long as Russia is conquering other European nations, SD will always be against them. I know it´s hard for left wing Swedes to believe this, because they hold on to this narrative that SD is terrible in every way. When they do something good, they must have some ulterior motive. If you know enough SD people in your daily life, you know most of them aren´t closet nazis. They might have some problematic views and policies, but the way the left paint them is absurd. I have never voted for SD by the way.

[@Sambadk55]

WHO IS WE …..NEBULA FART ?

[@victoriasaiefrain]

So, you're saying that a group that is based in the fear and opposition of the "other" have a hard time working with people that are not part of its ingroup. What a shock this is!

[@MovieMenno]

Can someone name a single rightwing thing the EPP has succesfully done in the last 20 years?

[@Revokefarleft]

Because they’re right wing on paper, they lean towards left 😂😂

[@gohanssj48]

Furthering leftist agenda.

[@MovieMenno]

@@Revokefarleft i am very aware of this But i stand open to be corrected

[@whitezombie10]

There is no way to contradict you, because they aren’t really right wing. Most modern right wing parties are like this only on paper, and this has been proven by both FDI in Italy (as an Italian I see it firsthand) and the Conservative Party under Sunak. This is why more “extreme” parties are becoming popular, people are fed up with voting for the same party but with a different name

[@jirislavicek9954]

They are lefties and globalists, not right

[@jorenbaplu5100]

Rough context for the americans, the EPP is like the democrats and the ECR and ID are like the republicans

[@thematthew761]

I’d say the Democrats are more like the center or center left

[@CroatianUltraNationalist]

comparing Western European parties to USA is a literal joke. if you compare Eastern european parties to USA its a different story

[@neptune1525]

​@@CroatianUltraNationalistwhy, can you explain to me

[@CroatianUltraNationalist]

@@neptune1525 Western europe is way too liberal to compare it to USA,. Eastern europe is more nationalistic and conservative which is why it would make for a better comparison

[@lordpolish2727]

lol the EPP is not like the democrats Democrats are basically big tent, with most of its members being centrist, but they also have a left wing faction ECR is centre right They are not comparable

[@albertsilva2492]

What's going on with the European left wing or center left parties?

[@gregmichaelson2399]

If you are left of centre, everyone including the centre are now classified as "far right"

[@becherbecher]

This is a perfect example that there is nothing like European political debate. As a Czech, I keep listenning to mindless robotic labels as "populist" or "radical right" concerning ECR. Whereas in reality, the Czech ODS party governs; the CZ prime minister is the chairman of ODS in a completely centrist government. The labels put to anything to the right from Marx and Uljanov are ridiculous and revealing the agenda.

[@crocodileguy4319]

all these regards think that their country is THE hottest sh## and that only THEY themselves should be the new supreme leader of Europe, its no mystery why they don't get along.

[@soundscape26]

Exactly. 😂

[@francisco4994]

I'm the hottest shit, obviously, everyone should bow to me

[@Mannyxz]

That sounds like wef

[@AlexVictorianus]

I would consider ECR neither "radical" nor center-right, but just "right" or right-conservative (the Tories were once their member). Some of them (Italy, Sweden) are more cooperative with the EU, while others (Poland) are more problematic. ID is destructive to the EU, willing to leave or dismantle the union and supporting its external enemies.

[@NAYRUthunder99]

- be a nationalist - collaborate constructively with other nations You can only choose one.

[@jirislavicek9954]

These two options don't contradict each other

[@steffplaysmapping1104]

Not surprising in a continent with varying similar, but different nation states, that parties in the same groupings would be similar, but also different. I can see the ongoing war in Ukraine strengthening rifts on both the European right and European left between those in support of Ukraine and those friendly to Putin.

[@moinsenmittag8683]

They can't decide if they like Russia or not. Perhaps it has to do with who received donations from Moscow.

[@Revokefarleft]

I mean the old man (Germany) has been benefiting from russia for many years but suddenly leftards hate Russia and in the same time they want to turn EU into a Soviet Union 😅😅

[@deeznutz8320]

The donations they cant prove 😂 But a Hungarian Jew financing the liberal narrative and sending billions is totally fine

[@infrared_90]

Co-operation over national borders is simply hard if your whole parties existence is about retaining or taking back your full nation sovereignty.

[@xyz-uw3ps]

Lol Fidesh... they're Hungarian, not Polish.

[@titusbaum9690]

Right wing groups are almost always nationalist. International cooperation not going smoothly is thus expected.

[@caseclosed9342]

I love how everyone’s correcting the presenter’s pronunciations down here in the comments! 😂

[@TheBluverde]

Some creators intentionally keep small mistakes in their videos because this means that many people will correct them in a comment and videos with many comments are more likely to be recommended.

[@cedriclenners3737]

I would really like each political party at a national level officialy publish its alignement on a European level. Most citizens don't really realize what is at stake on European level.

[@kaylenscurrah5435]

The euro left implodes over who interprets Marx better while the euro right implodes over which country has the historical and cultural right to make a certain type of cheese

[@TheDialga14]

Finally this far right movement is showing cracks all over the world

[@JayTeeDE]

I feel like it's only divided compared to the US. Having 3 conservative options and more far-right parties is pretty healthy.

[@WadudSyed222]

A Sovereign country has the Right to do everything.

[@edsiles4297]

Renew Europe is right-wing as well

[@picardas1638]

lol no they're left

[@attilaabonyi8879]

Centrist/conservative when it comes to economy? Yes,but when it comes to social issues no

[@RogierVJ]

@@picardas1638 They're full of neoliberal centrist to right wing parties. The Dutch VVD is a member and objectively a right wing party.

[@withoutshadowww]

​​@@picardas1638😂😂😂 Yeah, free market, anti-welfarism, privatisations and military interventions are very left wing 😅

[@picardas1638]

@@withoutshadowww military interventions are very left wing that's correct, also they are not anti welfare that's just a lie

[@antonioposa4070]

One thing should be brought about about far right: it's nationalist. And nationalism only works in a logic of "our nation vs. other nations". You can create good relations with select other nations, but in general the concept is that if something is good for me and bad for another country, let's go for it. International large alliances across far right parties can only be nonsensical.

[@Felineintuition]

All this public infighting about "ideology" when they're all making the good 🤑🤑 while the public is too busy cheering for the circus 🙄

[@checkcommentsfirst3335]

low class comment

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

All politicians....

[@malogibeaux4946]

@@MarketsDriveTheWorld do you really think people calling for better wages, employee benefits and protections, taxation for the rich and sometime less taxes on the poor to be entertaining a circus? (Im talkign about far left parties)

[@10hawell]

​@@malogibeaux4946 yes and you must be stupid to believe otherwise. Farleft sold out much more than far right, tho far right is willing to sell out more it just can't because it is unsavoury.

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

@@malogibeaux4946 we live in capitalism...... Demand and offer are the most important part... Immigration has always been an economically right wing policy for a reason.... I support everything you said but immigration by far is the most important issue. I remained In my country because I loved it, now I don't feel at home anymore.