Why F1 Install Wires In Race Tracks

[@Glegh]

They are placed there by Magic Alonso to trip Verstappen

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

No they aren’t

[@Glegh]

@@louisbeerreviews8964 Yes they are

[@kristalic]

no, other way around, that's why verstapping is sent a la carcel

[@rileyberkowitz]

Man of culture 🫡

[@armadillolover99]

@@kristalic And Lewis too because we all know he’s always so shameless with his cheating, like when he sent Roscoe to attack Piastri.

[@overvieweffect9034]

finally a great explanation as to why we've seen some "jump starts" not getting penalized. they usually would just say it's because of a tolerance, but not because it's an engineering limitation in he end, that makes sense.

[@Look_What_I_Did]

Engineering limitation? You still don't understand. Try again.

[@Edigor100]

it's definitely still a tolerance, it doesn't have to be a cone

[@gamechip06]

​@@Look_What_I_Did"...but *not* because it's an engineering limitation in the end," Keyword: not

[@notaspeck6104]

@gamechip06 Yeah but read the whole sentence. OP (chronically on reddit lol) is saying that people usually say it’s a tolerance issue, and not an engineering limitation. Ergo OP is suggesting that the real cause is an engineering limitation but that people don’t mention it. That is what the not is in reference to. The issue the other guy has is that engine limitations (apparently) are not the cause.

[@michael_su]

i was once fortunate enough to be in mercedesamg paddock club. during the pit lane walk i noticed the metal hole inside the pit box, with a beacon installed. i suspected if it was for pit stop timing purposes but one of the crew down there told me he didn't know what it was either when i asked. mystery solved and my hypothesis confirmed. thanks for the great video

[@XerwazF1]

The effort you put into these videos is just crazy

[@mattamys]

🙏🏻

[@fariedfredericks8269]

I have to agree with you, love how in depth he went 🤝🏼🙌🏻

[@Klassik_KT]

@@mattamysDorime 🐶🙏

[@ivarb629]

All that effort to explain so little 😂

[@coquette_sainzz4u]

@@ivarb629ur not funny tf

[@abigailcooling6604]

I saw those strange grooves/holes in the track when I was at the British Grand Prix a few weeks ago and got the opportunity to walk on the track post-race. Wasn't sure what they were for at the time, so thanks for explaining how they work and what they're for.

[@AndrewTSq]

same on karting tracks.

[@bobalong3717]

came here to say its for timing strips. plenty examples all over the motorsport world of taking advantage of a single strip at the Start/Finsh line@@AndrewTSq

[@SmallBlogV8]

Interesting! So maybe Bottas's "superhuman" start at Austria that time was because he was right at the back of the transponder detection signal thingy and had more room to move before it noticed him leave the grid spot.

[@mattamys]

Potentially! Using that coffee filter to his full advantage

[@captainkritzz]

​@@mattamysthis made me laugh so much

[@shadowguy128]

The thing about onboard camera shots or when live race broadcasts go trackside->onboard->trackside is that when cutting to and from the onboard shot it is delayed. Major instances of this are 2018 Russian Grand Prix (Lewis overtaking vettel) and most recently 2021 Abu Dhabi grand prix (max verstappen overtaking Lewis on final lap) just two that come to mind for me.

[@kylegordon]

If I understand the system correctly (I use Mylaps as a national race timekeeper), the transponder is continuously and very rapidly emitting its unique ID. As it passes over the two wires of the loop, the moment it is in the middle of the two wires is calculated by combining the trailing signal with the approaching signal. The system then figures out at what time the transponder was in the center. The loops are connected each to a 'decoder', which is the gateway to the network, and they are then linked to the main timing system, either over Cat5, Wifi, Fibre, etc. The decoders all have a local GPS antenna connected for a precision timing signal, which I assume is primarily for the high precision PPS feed that you get from the GPS network.

[@kylegordon]

@@tjsr yeah, I get that the motorsport ones are battery or direct powered because they can. We just call them transponders cos that's what they're marketed as 🙂 Passively powered or triggered like Bibtag would certainly save having to persuade drivers and riders to charge them though...

[@puma1528]

Exactly.

[@marios449]

Your videos provide very interesting details and knowledge about F1 procedures that I often wondered about. It's great to learn about them especially in such a great format! Thank you and keep them coming!

[@mattamys]

Glad you like them!

[@C4sp3r123]

Almost at the long over due 100k subscribers, well done, your content deserves 1 million subscribers, always to the point and explained really well 👍

[@mattamys]

Thank you!

[@1989SupraGuyFIN]

And then there's Maldonado's jumpstart in 2012 Belgium GP, that was so blatant, that it would of been penalized even without those transponders. He did, however kinda got kicked by the good ol' Karma, when Grosjean decided to have his brain malfunction right afterwars. And year later he managed to take out both Force Indias. At least the races weren't boring with that guy in there. /s

[@brrrake]

Honestly I never even knew how the timing loops worked! This makes so much sense now 😅 Also was that a new Shirt? It seems to have a different collar or something.. I can't pinpoint it.

[@mightyOmouse]

Logistics behind F1 is mindbogling.

[@JavierMartinez-zx7dh]

1:32 u did carlos dirty there

[@maxencamenzuli4550]

Hahahah Loved Tommo And aldas waving in the background!

[@Mr4420937]

great video, I always wondered how they would time the cars, thanks for this educational video! keep it up

[@redrum2600]

This is a great video that explains a lot I’ve been curious about regarding timing. Thanks for putting it together!

[@tourmaline07]

0:23 - given how close pole position has been in some sessions this year , I don't exactly see any teams wanting to choose transponder positions A or B ;)

[@ryandavies7978]

It would be the same, cause it's further back you start the lap later and finish it later, cause C is more forward it starts the lap earlier and finishes it earlier, shouldn't be a lap time difference. I'd assume it's more for Balance/weight distribution reasons

[@iosulas]

@@ryandavies7978 yeah. The unique difference would be in a photo finish, side by side, if one car has it on the C position would have advantage over that who has it on the A/B position

[@ScottishPhoenix]

i race professional grade rc cars (been taking some time off (since covid) but we use the same system but smaller and simpler.

[@Becky_Cooling]

Thanks for the great video Matt! This answers a question that I've had ever since I went to Silverstone and did the track invasion (after the race, completely legally). I noticed the holes on the grid boxes and the lines on the track and wondered what they were for. Now I know!

[@theblue2228]

Another day another banger, cheers Matt

[@mattamys]

Thanks!

[@FrenchiKO]

I see it too as a safety feature, if this adds up to the transponder to be 100% sure where your driver is on track, you can tell him to slow down if needed.

[@hideouspatje]

Do they or could they use it for track limit infringements too?

[@puma1528]

not accurate enough. track limits is mostly camera based. and motogp uses a system with embedded optical fibers outside the curbs

[@Jimmy_Moon]

Imagine this is the timing beacons detection zone on the grid start: 0________________1 0 to 1 is it's range. What's stopping a driver parking right on the limit of 0 giving themselves a few inches at the start whilst being in range? And we all know that it’s the little things in F1 that translates into points.

[@abigailcooling6604]

Perhaps it's because the driver can't see the floor directly in front of them very well - there's a tech talk video on the official F1 channel about this - which means that it might be tricky to accurately attempt to use this loophole. Also, the potential marginal gains might also be outweighed by the fact that penalties are given for not parking in a place where the transponder can detect the car.

[@Jimmy_Moon]

@@abigailcooling6604 Yeah, this season has had quite a few drivers complaining about visibility (all areas). I believe they have extended the yellow line on the grid to aid them lining up. Listen to this one: Going to be honest here, I’m not 100% sure on the details so I’m sure someone will amend the story. I’m not sure which season it was but teams had figured out that the starting lights emitted a tone/frequency which meant they knew when the lights would go green. Eventually, the FIA found out but said nothing. So at the next race they changed the tone/frequency but kept the old one. When it came to lights out, they delayed the green but triggered the old tone/frequency. This meant anyone who were cheating y using that tone set off before the greens and the FIA identified all the cheaters. If I remember correctly, it was 3/4 of the teams.

[@TjarkVerhoeven]

I dont think ít works as explained in the video; Yes, there would be a cone, but, more importantly, they can measure if the field (flux) is changing or stationary. Just like at the pitstop: time 'starts' when the transponder is stationary in the field, and stops when it moves. That's also how the exact time at the passing loops are calculated: when a transponder approaches a loop, it sends out it id multiple times, with the best amplitude (quite) right over the loop. With multiple measuremenst, you get a bell curve, with the highest amplitude corresponding with the center of the antennae loop.

[@magicsteve5523]

This makes Frenzen, Villeneuve and Schumacher’s identical pole time even more insane

[@pjotrtje0NL]

These lines look likes the ones we have at traffic lights to sense whether there’s anyone there (cancelling them out in the amber-green cycle) or even how many are there.

[@harrodharrod5239]

Omg, 6 mins of video to explain something that could be explained in a short. Great work, keep it up.

[@aetd106]

Are these loops used for DRS as well? I had assumed they'd have to be since you can only use them a) when enabled, b) in specific parts of the track and c) when you cross the detection point within 1sec of the car in front - that's a lot of variables to track in real time. Love the work and thanks for another great video

[@nicknike10035]

What about street circuits, do they install them there as well? Because Id imagine that’s a lot of planning and reorganising just for that one race a year then back to normal traffic?

[@hideouspatje]

I'm glad i subscribed just in time so my subscription counts towards your first (I'm predicting many more to come) 100k and playbutton!

[@Atarian6502]

So if you put your transponder in position A or B, you will not be registered at the starting grid?

[@DeaShoost]

Please talk more about the audio and video side of this, how do the incar cameras work? How many cameras are there?

[@mattamys]

Already done a video all about the cameras in my last previous video!

[@DeaShoost]

@@mattamys thanks! you sure did! Now that i've watched it I'm only hungry for more. I do broadcasts for a local track so this is super interesting to me.

[@ED_Chen]

Great video. Just curious if the car starts a little bit further back from the normal position in pit box, will it help the driver to get a jump start without getting caught?

[@thecomet28]

I would love to help explain this more because it gets even crazier on how the system works. This is coming from a person that owns and operate an electronic scoring system. Also note Rolex is just a sponsor of the timing system. The actual system is developed by Mylaps.

[@kylegordon]

I didnt realise that F1 used AMB too. I use it all the time at Knockhill (as MSA National Race timekeeper). Good to know!

[@thecomet28]

@@kylegordon Yup. Most large racing organizations use AMB/Mylaps but they code their own software to interface with the Pro hardware instead of using the default software distributed.

[@kylegordon]

@@thecomet28oh interesting. I have some code, somewhere, from about ten years ago, that uses the scoreboard feed from Orbits to process a leaderboard. I had high hopes of pushing it as an automated twitter feed of running order or similar, but it went nowhere. If I recall rightly the same protocol could be used to drag data out of the X2 server or decoders.

[@ColoradoStreaming]

The only thing I know about race timing is that those professionals are the most stressed people at the race and its a truly thankless job.

[@kylegordon]

@@ColoradoStreaming usually sustained by unhealthy amounts of coffee 🙂

[@PhilipvanderMatten]

I thought that the timing of the pitstops was done through a high speed camera aimed from above at the car, and then some image processing determines the amount of ms the car stood still. But I could be wrong, of course.

[@neilwoodbridge8232]

Awesome insight had no idea the intricacies involved

[@quizmastergary]

Great video! We did the track walk after the race at Silverstone this year. Noticed a timing loop at Village, and right in the middle of the road was a metal stud, just in front the first line. Is this some sort of beacon for the system, do you know?

[@AndreSomers]

So... if the transponder is also allowed to be in the A or B position, how do they do that in the grid boxes then? I guess they would need to have three of these coffee-filter detectors in each grid box to account for the different possible positions of the transponders? Or is it actually nonsense that this particular transponder is allowed in positions A and B, and are those just for the GPS and other transponders and is C really the only place this transponder is allowed to be be placed?

[@mattamys]

I believe C is the only realistic spot they can be placed, and the regulations show the positions for ALL transponders - and although I don’t know the exact details, I can imagine the FIA show the location of the beacon in the grid box as standard, so makes sense for teams to place them in the same spot!

[@gsmith2000994]

Fun Fact, the WiFi the use can go upto 60ghz for fast connection considering we typically use 2.4/5ghz.

[@kgbeHUN]

I discovered your channel today, but I immediately subscribed. Greetings from Hungary

[@iosulas]

Great stuff! But why do the wires go all across the track, and BACK?

[@tttimok]

Yes yes yes!! I’ve been waiting for a video on timing and gps from you! (Even commended on your last video asking for it!) amazing content as always!

[@Batters56]

You’ve got me imagining those runner tubes that councils put in to measure traffic numbers!

[@combatwombat594]

I do scoring in dirt racing, been doing it for quite awhile now. Surprises me they use the same system we do and it's not more automated. I could probably score for F1 😅

[@ronniekwong7915]

So it’s kinda like micecraft’s tripwire hook?

[@EngineMode11]

Another great video Matt

[@MinikSchauf]

Can you please do a behind the scenes video, you make amazing videos with great editing!

[@mattamys]

What about? 😂

[@timo4639]

But of the transponder is in the nose in between the wheels why are they making photo finish picturs of the most front part of the car

[@FILMCREWProductions1]

Nice to see someone make a video on what we do. An often overlooked technology but mega important! 🏎️💨

[@reptongeek]

What about the timing loops for the three main sectors? Are they different to the mini sectors?

[@mattamys]

No they're the same!

[@reptongeek]

@@mattamys How then do we only get 3 sectors for timing and not x number of mini sectors

[@motornaut]

​@@reptongeekall the mini sectors get added up to make the sectors we see on the broadcast. All the mini sectors are available via F1TV

[@StarCruiser012598]

2:20 as a concrete cutter, that line isn't straight. Re-cut it

[@StarCruiser012598]

I'm sorry, but half of those lines are necessitating a drug test for who ever ran that saw. I'm surprised F1 is allowing a curved line for timing determination

[@deltazero3796]

Does it work on street circuits too?

[@JohnSmithShields]

Did you meet up with FP1Will, he was out there with your sponsor too?

[@mattamys]

Yes we met whilst out there, lovely lad!

[@Summer-xu8qu]

We have a sensing system precise enough to time the car going over a line down to a thousandth of a sec, but we can't sense if a car have gone off the track...

[@puma1528]

who said, they doesn´t have this system?

[@Diabolical-Tyrant]

we have these at the go kart track i work at, they're tag heuer though

[@blondi5419]

has these fibre cables ever been damaged in practice/races?

[@mattamys]

Of the actual timing loop itself I don’t believe so, and it does sit under the track itself - and the shots featuring the lines were recorded after a full race weekend with no damage as it’s so small

[@puma1528]

@@mattamys we have around 1 damaged loop on our track every 2 years.

[@its_matt_long]

Got to be the best sponsor ever from a youtuber?

[@f1multiviewer]

"I'm not making a video about how video and data stuff is going across". Not *YET*...

[@MsMc111]

A bit of clarification here. The timing line is not like a photocell where if the line is crossed, the time is registered. There are actually 2 parallel wires with separate recievers. If the transponder passes over them, no matter how strong the transponder's signal is, there will be 2 separate signals shifted in time. The moment the 2 signal levels meet, there you have the accurate time of crossing the timing line.

[@puma1528]

No. not 2 receivers

[@mrj3217]

I know full well the teams use this to gain any advantage possible.

[@dezpotizmOFheaven]

It's literally the same as on every traffic light out in the real world. To "register" when a car crosses a specific line on the road. Just a little more advanced with the transponders exactly reading WHICH car it is exactly. Nothing to hard to understand that without having someone making a video about it. 👀🤭

[@tstivers1990]

It's not even close. The system traffic lights uses works based on pressure, feeling the weight of the vehicle. This system uses radio signals, which requires a device installed in the vehicle.

[@tgm9991]

@@tstivers1990 The traffic light ones are usually induction loops not pressure sensors

[@Monstermatt001]

Funny how all the f1 KZbinrs made a video about this on the same week

[@mattamys]

Who else made a video about this?

[@HATECELL]

They should add some at the side of the track in Austria, so they can reliably track corner cutting. This way the drivers no longer need to rat each other out like Kindergarteners and can focus on driving.

[@nevemartins]

You totally should have used Kick Sauber as the pit timer example.

[@adraedin]

How do you manage to look like a 20-year old Daniel Craig AND a 60-year old Daniel Craig at the same time?

[@chrishenniker5944]

I thought it was done by a bloke with a stopwatch.

[@1719pankaj]

Never knew GR had a KZbin channel too

[@3d9e]

Technical centre is the best place to watch the race

[@laccelo]

In hungary listening to rhcp. Im subscribing 10x more

[@nucspartan321]

Great video

[@NicotineRosberg]

F1 is really a lot work in the background

[@alanlucas501]

I cant help but think of Sheldon Cooper while watching this 😅. Great video, thank you. Very interesting.

[@mattamys]

...thanks

[@alanlucas501]

@@mattamys Great videos, thoroughly enjoy watching them. Really interesting content. Keep it up 👍🏻👏🏻🙂

[@hideouspatje]

​@@mattamys Being compared to Sheldon is far from an insult in my book... he is brilliant and an absolute expert in his field... the OP didn't specifically said you reminded him of Sheldon because of his social skills 😜

[@alanlucas501]

@@hideouspatje You and Sheldon would be alike because you both show such interest and are overflowing with interesting facts and knowledge. And yes, I think Sheldon is an absolute legend 👍🏻😁

[@hideouspatje]

@@alanlucas501 thank you thank you (takes a bow)

[@Marnxiety]

Now i understand how DRS works

[@realtrill5318]

can anyone explain why Indycar is able to show qualifying gaps in real time whereas F1 can only show sectors?

[@CraigPaulWilson]

Indycar are making use of the mini-sectors for TV. F1 also has these mini-sectors - however F1 doesn't use them for TV purposes in quali, but does use them for the timing tower (at the left of the screen) in the race. Mini-sectors are usually formed of a timing loop every ~200 m. This is in addition to the timing loop at the end of each sector.

[@muchagrande1687]

Nice video. But, do you realy believe Rolex is doing the actual time keeping?

[@mattamys]

They finance it, so technically yes

[@muchagrande1687]

@@mattamys Maybe technically no, financially yes? 😁

[@lsdesignweb]

awww Aldas and Tommo

[@two6520]

Head Out, what about Find Head or Road Head?

[@westboundbadger]

FOM hardwire every circuit with miles of cables,..They must love street circuits,...😆

[@erasmus_locke]

Silicone and silicon are different things.

[@getclapt462]

Ion even watch the vid yet but its a good fkn topic !!!!

[@Ninjanoah89]

The time learned at daytona

[@boscat666]

geez the obvious does pay for you dude . 👍👍

[@jakecivis7402]

Because they are slot cars

[@JonDBarker]

Easy dubs only

[@ivarb629]

To track time, the end...thanks for this useless long winded answer😂

[@Gregsheppo66]

Rolex are ripping me off! After buying 3 of there overpriced watches I’m yet to receive my wire. Must cost extra.

[@esoteridactyl]

When are you gonna buy a new shirt lol

[@mattamys]

You think I only own one??

[@Becky_Cooling]

Matt is the Tom Scott of F1, and therefore has multiple identical shirts. (Matt, is this correct? I'm just guessing here)

[@muneebhassan3284]

its not even a word ,,,, i suppose it is

[@unknownname3487]

Transponster ❌ Transponder ✅

[@MiG-25IsGOAT]

Installs*

[@robotnikkkk001]

=THANKS FOR TIP =HEHE

[@AZBCDEE]

They’re there to help whingelonso try to keep up with faster drivers than him 😂😂😂😂even then he still can’t 🤣🤣🤣

[@imtf39]

why do u have beef with chadlonso? Seriously, why?

[@scottl.1568]

Whut

[@This_Is_Not_My_Username]

It feels like you spent days or even weeks filming, gathering footage and doing loads of research for one of these video and then you rush through the video like you have places to be. I know you have enough content on each subject to make at least a 20min video on each of these types of topics but you make short videos why? Hopefully not just to milk the YT algorithm more. Honestly, it seems like it's more work for you to make these videos as short as possible than it would be for you to let it go one for 20min or more. Just upload both a short and a long.

[@mattamys]

Thanks for the feedback, but I do just naturally talk quite quickly but also don’t like to waste peoples time! I rather just give the facts for what people came for 🤷🏻‍♂️ I don’t intend on making shorter videos, but also don’t need 20 minutes to explain a car going over a detection line. If anything KZbin actually prefers longer form, and it is something I’m trying to be better at but thanks for the feedback!

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

alright , stop oil take notes.

[@faubourglincoln]

So F1 drivers can’t even drive their F1 car without being tracked or having some sort of privacy?

[@jeetjain1480]

cricket better

[@leesusca7339]

That’s a distracting amount of makeup

[@themotorsportfanaticyt]

2:55 Imagine if F1 comes back to India and those routers are provided by Airtel 💀💀. Timings would be more confusing than the LGBTQ people

[@natedaaaaaaaaaaa]

Bro this takes 30 seconds to explain. Dude is just yapping

[@jbalazs376]

You were in my home country?