Why Feminists Are Disowning Lena Dunham Now and The Roy Moore Tax Reform "Problem"

[@PhilipDeFranco]

Serious question though... What do you think Lena Dunham will apologize for next?

[@tqqq1831]

Idk u tell me

[@dickballstonkatruck6373]

Philip DeFranco hopefully existing

[@Garling18]

Philip DeFranco she will apologize for turning to the dark side for only a sith deals in absolutes

[@Mat0s-316]

Philip DeFranco That haircut.

[@smb-d8c]

New Shirt Idea?

[@cassandraandrade3131]

I can’t believe after Lena admitted herself to molesting her little sister and committing the same kind of acts child predators do, people still give her the time of day.

[@DwazeHoer]

ari avari to a degree true but looking at court cases it's slowly changing. Im glad to see traction in this area but more is always welcome.

[@scitechian]

I hope you realize after typing all of that, that only a very small percentage of people ACTUALLY believe they're genderfluid or that they are outside the gender binary? It's not like it's worth getting this worked-up over, just because yet another fallacious "the real world actually IS this simple" observation (every individual human ever born has been definitively male or definitively female) has been debunked.

[@merlball8520]

scitechian , Only it hasn't and can't be. Debunking reality only happens in the realm of insanity. Count yourself among the mentally ill.

[@degen83]

Feminists say its ok for Lena to do that because she's a woman and as a woman, woman are opressed and can therefor do nothing wrong as long as she recognizes her white privilege and exposes the inherint sexism of society against women. That is literally what these feminists think. It is more important how they feel rather than the facts, because facts don't care about feelings and in these feminists eyes facts are bad sexist and using them is "mansplaining".

[@juneg9547]

So what you're saying is, that you're willing to call children who possibly don't know any better and possibly have poor parenting child molesters? Despite them not having fully developed cognitively to know what's right from wrong in this society, we should still treat them and view them the same way as adult child predators?

[@nickkingofearth]

Can Lena Dunham just go away already 😑

[@deadpoolshelby4]

Yo Kennedy Her gloating of raping her sister did not take her down. She is terrible but somehow stays around.

[@Razbeariez]

If Hollywood is clearing out the trash they should probably take Lena out too...

[@yunisblu3412]

Knowing Hollywood they will probably just recycle her......garbage in garbage out.

[@Razbeariez]

Yunis Blu3 That joke works so well on so many levels. Thank you for that.

[@Razbeariez]

Brother Ares Didja miss the part where we talked about all the number of times she's said other shitty stuff or the part where Phil reminded us of the shit she did to her sister?

[@Beteljoose]

She'd just spin it into a victimhood thing blaming white men, and the patriarchy or something. Her stance would change from being a strong independent feminist, and go into the "I'm just a poor helpless girl, leave me alone" kind of thing. She's been bat shit psycho for a minute now, and she'll always twist shit to her advantage. Any who disagree with her would then just be passed off by her ilk as sexist/privileged or something. I wholeheartedly agree with you, but this isn't her first dive into the deep end.

[@BuffySummers]

Mel Gibson and Woody Allen are still around...pretty sure they’ll keep Lena Dunham for a long time.

[@KaminHH]

Honestly, I've always had a weird/bad feeling about Lena Dunham. She's always had a vibe that seemed off to me. I'd be happy if I never had to see her in the news or on tv ever again.

[@steveeab2364]

All I want for Christmas!

[@hannahbox4973]

She did molest her sister

[@AraluenSparr]

She's molested her own sister, and you're just now realizing that you "maybe" have a bad feeling about her? Are you serious?

[@elleeh27]

I agree. I've been repelled by her and her vibe since I knew about her existence. She seems like a social media star who got too much fame too fast and will say anything without thought of consequence and just apologize for it later but then do something just as shitty the next day.

[@refinnej5302]

Jason Bourne, can you read? She said she's always had a weird/bad feeling about her. She never once said she just realized it. Hop off the gossip channels and get over to ABC mouse.

[@winterlarsime9938]

Philip, you tall glass of lemon packet water, you need to cover the new Net Neutrality situation. People need to be aware of this before their internet rights are stolen from them without their knowledge.

[@ryuutookiura3030]

For real, hopefully he gets wind of this!

[@nachojimenez2420]

You mean when people's internet rights got stolen from them under Obama? a little too late.

[@hermilo9613]

nacho jimenez lmao, right. Your homie, Trump, is doing fuck all. Nacho typical idiot, you're a special kind of stupid.

[@lifehacksf-t-w6921]

Honestly, he's probably not talking about it because it doesn't matter at this point net neutrality is guaranteed to be killed at this point. All hail immortal Trunp, sent from Jesus, the Trump dynasty is only beginning, prepare your asses.

[@nattalete]

Maybe it will be on tomorrow's news

[@JennCampbell]

I think the problem is listening to every potential victim is not the same as believing. We need to listen to any report and then it needs to be investigated. Then the best course of action can be decided.

[@JennCampbell]

James Gaspard No. We don't. That's the issue.

[@Fish4Man61]

I am just sick and tired of people saying "believe them" to a point that it is for sure happened. Believing them is not the solution. We need to instead, believe that they MAY be telling the truth, and treat it seriously. But give both sides the benefit of the doubt weighing on the investigation, and give no condemnation either socially or criminally until such a time when actual evidence is provided one way or the other. This definitely also means believing the accused MAY also be telling the truth at first. But that requires too much common sense for some people I guess. And it is sad that the feminist message has been for years "but listen to women, because almost all tell the truth in this, treat it as if it is a god damn fact, because women said so" - which always came across as some god damn lunatic thinking (by a whole lot more than Lena, I mean, respected feminists like Emma Watson have even said this). That for some reason, is popular thinking. This is the logical destination though I think, for what post-modernism has done for us. Away from empiricism as a way of life and first form of thinking. All art is good, logic and science can't give us all the answers - down to the inevitable, everyone has their own truth and you can't prove otherwise, feelings. Now these people now think first with the emotional part of their brains as a way of life, and bam, accusations can land a lot harder, not having to be processed as deeply anymore before judgement. Old mob-like control tactics like "if X amount come, it is now more true" works easier.

[@hern_n]

we also need to have punishment sentence for people who accuse someone else of raping them later to be discovered that they lied all along, that shit destroys lives.

[@saddemgargouri]

Yeah i am more inclined to believe someone bruised with a rape kit report that went to police right after the rape , then someone Accusing her ex boyfriend with rape after 1 year of break up and then because she remember oh one night i didn't really want it . Not all rape accusers are equal .

[@bobkilla430]

Jennifer Campbell "We" as in public opinion/media? Or as in businesses/ companies/ HR? Or "we" as in the police, justice system, government that it's the issue that 'we' don't or do believe? Public opinion takes its sides quickly when the story breaks on the person/people involved -both the accuser(s) and on the accused. Companies take longer for official reports, but internally with employees who know one or both parties involved draw conclusions based on their experience/knowing the person/people involved. The legal system takes the longest in criminal cases with having to prove without a doubt. While civil cases tend to take less time due to decreased necessity in only proving within the framework of more evidence over not. I defenetly agree we should listen then take the steps in finding out the truth whatever that may be. We should support and encourage victims coming forward to the police as that is an issue as well as detouring through legal means of people who falsely accuse as that's also an issue, though to my best knowledge, not as high of a % as real victims not coming forward. I am for harsh punishments for false accusations as they do real harm for and to real victims. The justice system has it's flaws but it's not a broken system as a whole nor broken by the principles/foundation it was set upon. At the end of the day I think I want what most would like. For the guilty to be caught and punished accordingly. For false accusations to stop. For every victim to have the courage to come forward & listened to. For a fair and just trial. And for victims, be it everyday people to celebrities who were assaulted or falsely accused -not to have their lives ruined/run through the mud in their families, friends, media or law.

[@EemaVT]

She’s out Dunham herself.

[@impulseburst2367]

Erica Danielle Well done.

[@hunterzolomon5090]

Top kek. Very nice

[@noonewillreadthis2519]

I'm sorry I need a moment

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Lena sister fister Dunham

[@TroyJakubiec]

Honestly I'm sad he didn't capitalize on the opportunity

[@DustyKorpse]

Appears Lena is an apologist not a feminist.

[@maggyfrog]

wow. nailed it.

[@spacenachos]

Nope you can't do that. You can't just say someone's not a feminist because they don't fit your ideal. She's a feminist but she's a bad one. If you want any credibility for your group you need to acknowledge these people and call them out.

[@helenkapetis8869]

And a hypocrite

[@TheHellogoo]

Lena Dunham is the best advocate against all her causes.

[@apexpredatorgaming6041]

TheHellogoo she's the nickleback of feminists, everyone loves to hate her

[@johns9940]

ApexPredatorGaming don’t disrespect nickelback like that.

[@apexpredatorgaming6041]

HF Daydreamer She's more lik the feminist version of gonorrhea

[@winterlarsime9938]

She's more like Chlymidia

[@apexpredatorgaming6041]

Winter Larsimé I've done some reflecting and realised my previous comments were wrong She's more like Proctalgia fugax

[@josepenuelas4987]

If you're forced to apologise it's not an an apology

[@Topself24]

We need to advocate for women going to the authorities as soon as possible. Plain and simple. We have a justice system that can handle this. And if we don't we need to push for quicker rape kit testing and whatever else that impedes justice for the woman and the man.

[@GnarledStaff]

Rippingthosecheeks Hey Punishing false claims is tricky because you have to make a law so that it is a punishment for intentionally submitting a false claim. If you just punish people who cant prove their claims in court “beyond a reasonable doubt” then the problem gets worse as you are essentially making it illegal to accuse anyone... because proof is gathered after the accusation.

[@apalehorse1607]

I find it sad that THIS is why Lena Dunham is being "disowned" by feminists, when long before this she talked about molesting her own sister and not one feminist batted a fucking eye. Makes the whole movement look like a bunch of hypocrites. (I use the term "movement" loosely, because modern feminism is a one-sided coin)

[@dustinb1070]

Our justice system is crap.

[@apalehorse1607]

And don't get me started on female pedophiles in our elementary and high schools, because they are being caught left and right now because of social media. They're finally getting busted for the same thing they rail on about men.

[@IamMissPronounced]

T Stanton thank you, finally a sensible comment!

[@demonicape5529]

Talk about net neutrality being threatened *again*

[@FaithTheFallen]

BOOST

[@Odinsday]

*R E A L S H I T*

[@EmptyEnnui]

+ PLEASE PHIL

[@michaelglynn7010]

I hope he sees this.

[@Geoffreyvexer]

yeah we gotta talk about this.

[@sarahennessey558]

“Why feminists are disowning lena dunham now” hun, since when did we acknowledge her? She doesn’t even go here

[@nadiajuarez4763]

She is for herself, not for other women.

[@marlencardenas4249]

exactly!! the title made me so confused, every feminist I know can't stand that woman.

[@sarahennessey558]

Marlen Cardenas exactly what I’m sayin

[@sarahennessey558]

Nadia J couldn’t have said it better myself

[@ivanmontalco5082]

oh please most feminist were fawning over here. you are just one person

[@Psyrecx]

So, long story short, when called into question, Lena Dunham treats feminism as if it's a religion.

[@killermajaro364]

feminism is a cult

[@carbon1255]

Its marxism.

[@charlotteKILLS]

Or, alternatively, we can acknowledge that some feminists are assholes instead of insisting that feminism is a cult. Is being pro gun control a cult too? Is supporting capitalism cult behaviour? Because the last time I checked, mainstream social and political movements generally don't fit the definition of, "cult."

[@IamMissPronounced]

Carbon 12 feminism isn't Marxism 😂 Marxism is an economic egalitarian ideology

[@FunnyMagicRing]

"Is being pro gun control a cult" Kind of, yeah. It's all part of the SJW liberal ideology.

[@johnhein2539]

"We must say to 'I believe you,' to any woman who makes a sexual assault allegation." That is so seriously fucked up. And they're presented in the media as "the good side?" They want people's minds and hearts to bend to their will and listen and accept without question to condemn anyone they point to as long as they make their voice quiver and their jaw shake? I'm not the only one who thinks this, right? Just that no one even addressed how fucked up that detail was during the story.

[@IamMissPronounced]

John Hein we have to say "I believe you", not "I believe you and persecute the accused without a fair trial". Almost no one is saying we should have a witch hunt of sexual molesters.

[@lokijotunn5233]

MissPronounced you must be joking.. if you think Media can't have an effect as a witch hunt. Then I believed killing socially is not in you're vocabularies.

[@MegaGullas]

Phil: *I WANT YOU TO BE HOT AND BOTHERED!* Me: well, you should have talked about those tax reforms in more detail then, Phil.

[@JmannDX]

Listening to Lena Dunham talk about sexual assault is like listening to OJ Simpson talk about murderers.

[@milesdixon9267]

JmannDX he was acquitted. Get over it

[@OJEL]

Missing the point Miles...

[@neosoontoretro]

@Jmann Yeah, no. v www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/11/04/lena_dunham_sibling_sexual_abuse_allegations_ridiculous_and_dangerous.html

[@MWH12085]

Or Hitler about religious tolerance

[@shinyandnotpanicking]

JmannDX "I have lived a conflict-free life" - OJ Simpson

[@cuttheskit7905]

Every feminist I know has hated Lena pretty much from the start, but she'll always be seen as defining the modern feminist movement, which is why I won't call myself a feminist even though I agree on most issues with my feminist friends. Feminism has a branding issue which is setting back the whole moment.

[@IamMissPronounced]

SwishSwish egalitarianism is equality 💕

[@charlotteKILLS]

We can rebrand feminism ourselves by being good feminists though. People don't stop being Christians just because the WBC are terrible people, you know?

[@aerialkate]

SwishSwish No...feminism has an image problem because 90% of the mass media (in my country at least) is right-wing and deeply hostile to feminism. Very odd how one individual, Lena Dunham, suddenly represents feminism too. The alt-right / MRA crew have been extremely busy online, particularly here on KZbin - and in my experience ANYONE espousing the mildest, the vaguest, of feminist views, is automatically "branded" a Feminazi (thank Rush Limbaugh) and told they're man haters. That's why feminism has a "brand" problem. I like how one woman represents feminism for you too; didn't you buy what you were sold? Feminism takes guts to espouse publicly - you are always in the minority, you are always outnumbered online. This is why your anti-feminist post is top-billed. Ultimately, you're always on safe ground taking a pop at feminism, but this you knew. We don't miss women like you not identifying as feminists. We need women with this thing we call a "backbone".

[@Michael-fw5ef]

Feminism doens't stand for feminism. You bash white, christian males for supposed violations, but you promote Muslim men and excuse their beliefs, ideology, actions and mannerisms. Therefore, you lose credibility. But feminishts don't care about being credible because they actually don't believe in what they preach.

[@aerialkate]

Michael Hello Michael. Feminists don't "promote" any religion. Feminism tends to take a dim view of it, because it is patriarchal and has caused women serious grief throughout history. The reason you have heard about FGM and abuses of women associated with fundamentalist Islam, or parts of African tribal culture - is because of feminists. I'm probably older than you and I didn't hear about such abuses in the mainstream press growing up. The men now claiming to be horrified by it didn't give a shit about it. Feminists publicised it. Feminists lobbied politicians to put pressure on their counterparts internationally. MRA groups are fascinated by abuses of women now though. Very odd - they didn't want to know back then. Called us man haters back then too: "messing in other people's cultures when people are sleeping on the streets here.." How much of your personal money goes to helping women out in fundamentalist Islamic cultures Michael? ZERO I'm guessing. And if you're honest, that's what you'll answer. My money - what little I can afford - goes to "Malala's Fund" each month, via direct debit. She gets my money. And money equals action. That doesn't preclude my being concerned with issues affecting me as a western woman. And that's my business pal. Now the MRA crew are suddenly desperately concerned about abuses of women in non-Christian cultures. _Look over there for a bit...it's even worse for their women...we could be cutting off your clit like in Afghanistan..._ It's called the Fallacy of Privation and it's a classic MRA trick. Whether you identify with that crew is neither here nor there - it's filtered down to you, because it's everywhere on KZbin. It's mainstream now. To make an analogy about western feminism versus women who have it worse: Getting mugged is bad; getting murdered is worse - but getting mugged is still objectionable. Ultimately Michael, men are abusing women. Its not "Misandry!" to point that out, sorry. You might like to do something useful and devote your energy to combating that yourself, rather than cynically harassing the people who historically have done most to end this abuse: Feminists. Resources dedicated to combating oppression of women are funded by me - and by every feminist I know. What have you done? You're being lied to Michael - and to quote Johnny Rotten: it's made you a moron.

[@SamiWaters5634]

I would have said "please respect all parties involved while we figure out what happened." It's obvious she did not care about the truth just how society viewed her for employing a possible rapist.

[@AlecGlavey]

Could you talk about Net Neutrality in your next show? The vote is coming up and any help with getting people to contact congress is a good thing.

[@jobo8281]

Alec Glavey yes yes yes

[@Bramblestar9339]

Alec Glavey this, so much this

[@Inktro]

Big Money Salvia? (_)_):::::::::::D~~~~~~ that's a rocket ship

[@taylorgayhart9497]

Finding Lena Dunham problematic is nothing new for feminists. We have been frustrated with her for years, and we are sick of her being given such a large platform. She needs to keep her mouth shut, and let others speak out for awhile.

[@taylorgayhart9497]

Also #BelieveAllWomen doesn’t need to be a thing, #YesAllWomen will face some level of harassment in their life, but we are a country of “innocent until proven guilty” and should abide by that. If you’re friend was accused of rape, and you’re not his alibi for the date in question, just keep your mouth shut.

[@carbon1255]

When did you turn to fascism? Ie a socialist ideology that discriminates based on genetic attributes?

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

Taylor Butler excuse me? His alibi? Why not his or her? Equality please.

[@IamMissPronounced]

Taylor Butler egalitarianism is equality, not feminism

[@moonstonepearl21]

I'm female and am well aware of the realities of sexual crimes. Yes most cases are real and most are unreported, however, yes there are still always going to be false reports. Anyone criticizing you for saying this is an idiot. You aren't being sexist. You are objectively looking at the reality of the situation. You even correctly pointed out how false reports, even though they are in the minority, hurt all of the real cases out there. People need to think on this more like you do.

[@oops6876]

MoonstonePearl21 unfortunately, way way wayyyy more people are angry that people are taking the side of the victim until evidence arises. :/

[@moonstonepearl21]

Yea it's such a difficult situation with sexual crimes. We have innocent until proven guilty, but that's easier said than done in a case like this. We know statistically speaking that most cases are correct. We know that if they aren't found guilty because evidence for these kinds of crimes is often very difficult to get, they will likely harm the victim and victimize others. However, at the same time, you can't turn it into a witch hunt. You can't assume guilt. That would be unfair and against our legal system. You have to look at each situation individually. You have to try and be objective, but it is incredibly difficult with this kind of crime. There is just no easy way to deal with accusations of sexual assault.

[@guppy2686]

We don't know that from statistics. We know a small percentage can be proven false in the other cases it's he said she said and anyone of them might be telling the truth and as you know conviction rates aren't high so there is a whole lot of room for many many more false claims. Weird isn't that when talking about false accusations we stick to the facts we have namely 2-4% false yet for total rapes we are willing to embrace the additions of unverifiable data, the dark number of which you should know has no real value in science.

[@darkmantlestudios]

MoonstonePearl21 Thats not really what the statistics bear out, feel free to correct me with some statistics if you like

[@ANARCHY.050]

MoonstonePearl21 I agree with all of what you say, i wish we weren’t living in a time where people will chew out who ever is being accused so rashly until the proof is out. Reports should be taken seriously, but should also be taken with patients and rationality, but people right now just want blood and care not for evidence, only there quick and easy “justice”.

[@miah4707]

Lena Dunham is hurting feminism.

[@JustAHorrorShow]

Lena calling herself a "feminist" is like me calling myself a strawberry.

[@JustAHorrorShow]

SpaceMonki What do you even know about me?

[@BTECE_FARIZ]

JustAHorrorShow that means u are a strawberry?

[@jm-gj2ho]

Thats offensive to people who actually identify as strawberrys you bigot!

[@misha130]

No true scotsman would ever not listen and believe

[@JustAHorrorShow]

Fariz Ali and POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE There's a difference between feminism and stupidity. A lot of people call themselves "feminists" but that doesn't mean they are actually feminists. For example, a lot of man-haters call themselves "feminists" despite feminism being about equality of the genders rather than superiority of women. Jimmy McManus How is it offensive to strawberries to say I'm not a strawberry?

[@AntSoiree]

when i was a kid i couldn't tell difference between raping and rapping i mixed the two. dont judge me

[@jblue6]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHK1qZqOesmfsNU

[@m.tantan8813]

Same tbh

[@toxicmongerofthehatefulbro5745]

My issue was mixing up Erotic and Exotic.

[@maaz322]

same

[@tatsusama3192]

haha, I imagine a cute little kid asking if you heard the latest rape album from Busta Rhymes

[@udonomi8398]

A weird thing that's got me in the first story is the fact that we some how hold value to the bullshit science of the polygraph test. It's been proven over and over again to be inconclusive and easy to fool, just something I feel needs to be changed.

[@Loathomar]

This is why polygraph results are not admissible in criminal trials. Because of the myth behind it, they are still often used because enough criminals still believe they are real and law enforcement can get people to confess with them.

[@ArkhayaAratia1999]

Why change it. Just learn to beat the system so if you messup you can easily lie about it.

[@lyricbot8513]

Udono Mi you do realise this is the fault of the USA, other countries don't do this

[@mitchellhorton9382]

It's pretty much that way with 60% of forensic science. Handwriting comparison? Nothing to prove it's objectively effective. Polygraph? Unreliable at best. Fingerprints? Anything short of a perfect print is basically just speculation. Blood splatter? Never objectively shown. Eye witness testimony? PROVEN unreliable about details; 5 people can see the same robbery and give completely different descriptions of the person; but they all give accurate descriptions of the events.

[@TheCharleseye]

Udono Mi "I put him on a polygraph...yeah, I did...and he passed!...which forever ruined my faith in polygraphs." - Hillary Clinton when interviewed about the child rapist she defended, when she was an attorney

[@sarahlaurent2239]

Classical/intersectional feminists have said Lena Dunham is full of shit for years, especially since that stuff with her sister.

[@IamMissPronounced]

yet she still had a job all those years......

[@omega1231]

are you implying that classical feminism is interchangeable with intersectional feminism? the only reason why intersectional feminism is a thing today is because the advocates for it were outcasts when feminism actually had a cause to fight for, aka classical feminists, the people that tore down the patriarchy by getting voting rights for women, rights to work and promoted the sexual freedom of women, it's about as far from intersectional feminism you can get. Intersectional feminism is a victim complex, the more of a victim you are the more rights and special treatment you should get.

[@YouCanCallMeReTro]

I'm glad you mentioned the problem of speaking in absolutes. This is something that a lot of people have done for ages and its a big problem of the human condition.

[@KodakKid33]

"While you may not be a good man, hopefully you eventually find one" LMAO

[@dragonsrule20201]

As a feminist, I can tell you the entire community hates her and has hated her for a long time. Seriously, how can anyone be a fan of someone who admitted to sexually assaulting her sister?

[@jeniverevalearen5844]

And Taylor Swift openly tweeted support for her saying "she was just curious" This is why I hate both of them. You don't do that to family because you were curious. You don't do that ever. End of story. Disgusting.

[@najadamu2724]

The ENTIRE community? That's quite a claim. I've seen numerous feminists defend Lena Dunham, saying that what she did to her sister was somehow not actually sexual assault but merely kids "playing doctor". Of course, they might've changed their opinion in light of the events that further revealed Dunham's terrible character since her book's release a while ago.

[@dragonsrule20201]

Naj Adamu You don't have to be a smart ass, OBVIOUSLY there are outliers. I've personally never met or seen anyone who has defended her though, I'm assuming that part is in the TERF community, which other feminists also hate.

[@nickjones9867]

*raped

[@mrspams3489]

Meena as a human i can tell you out entire community is sick of your selfish and stupid views on life. Just get a job.... a real one.

[@IWendigo]

We need to teach women that they need to go to police as soon as possible, the longer you wait the colder the trail gets. But at the same time I believe that all accusations of rape should be kept from the public until evidence is gathered and a proper sentence can be put into place, failing to keep the names of all involved anonymous would lead to immediate defamation charges.

[@emilydickinson5422]

How about instead of 'teaching' women to go to the police, we 'teach' men not to rape?????

[@oats8854]

Infinitely Emily How about we teach women to not falsely accuse? Because all women do that.

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

I will say this, I'm friends with someone who has had rape allegations brought against him. We found out very early on that he was in fact innocent and this was more or less someone seeking revenge on him. Even though it was made 100% clear that the allegations against him were false, he still to this day (this happened almost 9 years ago) has a lot of trouble finding dates in the area because they all heard about what happened and they almost all distrust him. I bring this up because I noticed a comment earlier suggesting that false rape allegations "don't hurt anyone". Especially for guys, they hurt big time. You will never get rid of that accusation ever, even if it's proven false. Once someone makes that accusation, 99% of the time it's a figurative death sentence.

[@ScarlettTon]

Hunter Mirr My friend was accused of raping a girl from our church and the entire church shunned him and hated him. A while later she confessed she made it all up beceause she wanted attention but still the church hates him and refuses to have anything to do with him regardless of the fact he didn't do anything and it was an accusation for the sake of a girl wanting attention. It affected a lot of his friendships and he lost his second family which was the church all based on a lie.

[@iBeFloe]

That's exactly what Phil was saying. There's no absolute, HOWEVER, Lena was still a fucking idiot because she was all "Yay yay hoo ra!" while all of these women came out about rape or sexual harassment from different men in Hollywood, but the SECOND it came at someone she personally knew she immediately denied it & claimed it was obviously a fake claim. The issue isn't that people want Lena to believe all women. You SHOULD be skeptical or question things. The issue is that people want Lena to NOT be a hypocrite & dismiss someone JUST BECAUSE she knows the accused.

[@TheKreator98]

Damn, that sucks.

[@deardelirious7432]

Hunter Mirr I knew a girl that would threaten guys by saying she would make up rape allegations against them. She made up stories about a number of guys and just brought so much devastation to them. It’s disgusting that there are many men and women who survived horrible sexual trauma and may never get help or justice while some people go on power trips and make up things to destroy people.

[@RJT80]

Hunter Mirr I know two men who had their military careers ruined over false allegations. By the time one of the investigations discovered the fact he was in a different country than he accuser at the time he was supposed to be assaulting her, the damage was done. The other admitted to fabricating the story when he stopped seeing her. If human beings want to throw out any semblance of healthy skepticism, let alone due process, then it was nice while it lasted. We are tearing this country apart and at best, excusing the inaction of victims for deacdes because it is too hard for them. It's difficult. And life is not fair, nor easy. But these systems of justice have existed since at least Ancient Greece and it is the best thing we have. Not perfect. Nothing tied to humans ever is.

[@DomJohn89]

Wait a minute Phil, are you saying that elected officials are saying one thing to the public and doing something completely hypocritical behind closed doors??? I can't even fathom that. That was sarcasm btw.

[@EridianX]

The problem with "believe all women" is that it runs counter to a fair trial and being innocent until proven guilty. I'll believe people when they can prove it, but outside of that I'll give the accused the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. We cannot change the rules by which we run our society and justice system just to be politically correct.

[@victorcates9330]

and given that she quoted a statistic about 3% being false, she'd be effectively advocating imprisoning some innocents. I guess they should just be glad to be a ritualistic sacrifice.

[@JennyCThree]

The reason people tend to go public is because the justice system rarely handles a rape case/child molestation/sex crimes in general properly so its often their only option. Just look at the tons of untested rape kits from years ago sitting around. Whenever they do anything from the backlog they tend to find a freaking ton matches.

[@zeke4life2]

James Miller how do you price a non violent rape if it's not literally recorded it's a he said she said. Where's the proof in that

[@zeke4life2]

Gogetters most rapes aren't not girl gets beat up and dragged behind dumpster. You think Harvey Weinstein was upper cutting girls to rape them

[@JennyCThree]

What exactly do you expect an individual to do when they have no other avenue for help? Shut up and take it. No more free speech when someone wants to complain about being abused? What about the woman talking about Roy Moore? Sure she maybe ruined his chances at becoming a senator. But the places reporting it? They fact checked her. They reported on his being banned from malls and the Y for harassing kids. They treated her as someone who was potentially credible and investigated instead of just accusing her of lying. He was the district attorney. They person who would choose to file those charges. What was she supposed to do then? He picked another kid up from a custody hearing while working in the justice system.

[@jmcomparan]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[@carbon1255]

Obi-wan = sith then?

[@30alex30clubpenguin]

Carbon 12 do or do not there is no try. I think it's more like Yoda

[@carbon1255]

I mean "ONLY sith deal in absolutes" is in itself an absolute. No exceptions. Yoda too.

[@cheeseburgersuperior1874]

Carbon 12 whether it is good or evil. Siths will deal with it.

[@Scabahabadee]

Why does anyone even follow Lena? She's obvs clueless.

[@Guerrilla727]

"obvs" Fucking cringe

[@Scabahabadee]

Guerrilla Gaming I "up-v'd" your comment xd

[@wolfkilljoy]

Lena Dunham...THE SISTER FISTER

[@acrow5488]

WHAT HAVE WE DONE

[@johns9940]

This is all I’m going to remember her for

[@DynamiteBigB]

HOW'S IT GOING BROS?

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

*Only $29.99 plus shipping and handling!* *Call in the next five minutes and get another Sister Fister for free!*

[@chardeemcdennis6073]

Conspiracy Theory: Lena Dunham is actually PewDiePie

[@SocialMediaWithMrInfo]

Lena will do WHATEVER is GOOD for Lena...wait for a Flip-Flop on this...YEP...JUST WAIT...!

[@mikedimat7817]

Like Hillary

[@SocialMediaWithMrInfo]

Yes...I would BET that Lena learned ALOT from Hillary, as did MANY other SJW...ALL BAD!

[@Beebzfull]

It's so sad that Lena Dunham has proven to be such a nutcase. I remember about 5-6 years ago when I was in my mid-teens I really felt like she was such an appealing and strong voice for insecure young people. I mean it was right before vine became huge and before instagram was annoyingly "woke" (was really mostly used to grossly filter pictures for your facebook) and tumblr was still a thing and also the birthing place of most mainstream feminist media-outlets. I just feel like not everything was inflated by relatable-posts back then and the Girls' characters (cheesy as they may have been sometimes) became very easy for me to mirror myself in. The show really taught me to be more easy-going and not always feeling sick to my stomach about every awkward and embarrassing experience or personality trait of mine. I always adored Lena for showing me how to laugh at my mistakes. Hannah, as well as the other characters, was always shown to be selfish and self-contradictory, but I felt like by showing a character who was obviously strongly based on Lena herself have double standards, prejudice or just being a bit of a rotten person sometimes and therefore caricaturing herself, showed such personal insight and wisdom to be able to make fun of yourself by showcasing your deepest issues to the world. I just wouldn't have expected her to come off as so blatantly dumb and arrogant sometimes in real life because the show made Lena seem so aware of her faults. Idk I guess it's just sad to get older and realize that your idolization of certain people was nothing but illusory and deluded

[@johns9940]

You know it’s a good day when not even feminists will accept Lena Dunham

[@3up3rn0va]

Interesting name there

[@Avrysatos]

Osama Bin Fappin a whole lot of us haven't been able to stand her for years. So it's more like wow people realize we can't stand her? Finally??!

[@cl24591]

Avrysatos lots of feminists still supported her even when she revealed that she had molested her sister.

[@mcearl8073]

Carole L I know, the fact that people still supported her after finding out she molested her little sister but not for standing up for someone she knew who might not have raped someone tells you a lot about feminists these days. I can’t stand her now about the same as I couldn’t stand her years ago.

[@stove2168]

hell yea

[@midnightssun8495]

At least Philip deFranco knows the difference between a feminist and an femanazi unlike half the internet

[@justinbotkin]

Kawaii Kitten I think generalization is a trap that many people fall into, especially about controversial topics.

[@milesdixon9267]

Kawaii Kitten Beyoncé is a true feminist

[@hunterzolomon5090]

The lines are starting to blur

[@gabrielmcneal2657]

your name is the bane of my existence

[@zacharybutts6885]

Kawaii Kitten yes 99% of feminists are feminazis

[@bigred1037]

Glad to see Lena finally getting roasted by her own party

[@chayden153]

Dumble Durrz Not even feminists want to deal with her bullshit, us classic feminists want absolutely nothing to do with this bitch

[@FeverRayFan1]

finally? we been done with this bitch for years. she is THE face of white feminism right next to snake swift. where do you all get your infos, yall late af man

[@aggie8115]

FeverRayFan1 Oh... another, “feminist,” who spends most of their time trying to bring women down.

[@1UpEXP]

FeverRayFan1 Oh hey, are you one of those idiots who think Taylor swift is a gender traitor because she didn't choose a side?

[@Ruffgi]

FeverRayFan1 ___ what's wrong with Taylor swift? and there's white and black feminism now?

[@elcomentario5430]

There's only one thing I have to say. Innocent until proven guilty. The presumption of innocence cannot be undermined under any circumstance. Such undermining will eventually lead to the collapse of the justice system.

[@ethandavis3330]

Please tell me that I’m not the only one that got really lost on the tax reform bit

[@callmewaves1160]

Ethan Davis yeah me too lol

[@TasX]

Basically there are a lot of undecided options right now so we’re just gonna have to wait until after thanksgiving

[@N3ZUK0]

same thank god im not american so none of this applies to me lol

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

It's meant to be confusing so you don't realize just how skewed towards the rich it is.

[@randomfools808]

To sum it up: It will have a hard time passing in the Senate in it's current state due to all who oppose it. There aren't enough republicans to push it through.

[@MikhaelEternal]

I was overjoyed to learn Perrineau filed a report. That means she is at least not afraid of investigation, for the truth does not fear investigation. She also took a polygraph. Now, the polygraph may be complete BS, but if she believed that it was a miracle-working device, that reinforces my opinion of her veracity since she would know falsehoods would be futile. I will be very pleased to see this go to court, because that displays even more confidence. Unfortunately, Perrineau could just be a criminal mastermind and unparalleled actress, but my intuition says otherwise. I, for one, believe her more than I have any other accuser thus far. As for Lena Dunham, she's Lena fucking Dunham. I don't expect much from her. I was outraged when I learned she valued loyalty above justice. That sickened me to my core. For what will she apologize next, though? I don't know, but I do know it's going to funny as fuck. Not for any victims, no, but I'll bottle up her cheeks as a paint for my artist friends and call it "Embarrassment Red".

[@TheJinashura]

MikhaelEternal not to burst your bubble but many guilty ppl have done similar things. I would like to see his evidence against her. That would be telling. I want to see everything they have on eachother.

[@MikhaelEternal]

TheJinashura that's a good point. You're right.

[@coolgamer4556]

I know its a little old but do you guys know the update on net neutrality?

[@ryanbrennan8183]

Depression I’ve been wondering about that two

[@joespn18]

I wish this show had more world news :/

[@pointlessgarbage8587]

Who else didn’t need Phil to explain how bills are passed because they remember the “I’m Just a Bill” song form 8th grade?

[@pointlessgarbage8587]

Sapphire Vorabouth For the past ten minutes it has been stuck in my head.

[@Shamitako]

Among many that my mother subjected me to whilst growing up. And now it's in my head.

[@williamcousiniii3673]

Robert Manassero well now it's off to the White House, where I'll wait in a line, with a lot of other bills for the president to sign...

[@watermelonmonsterman6027]

No, that was 3rd grade.

[@backdraft916]

Who picked "Conjunction Junction" as their favorite?

[@somedude5749]

I feel like the Lena Dunham story is just the most obvious and popular version of something that I've grown to resent for the past few years, because it's become a growing trend: spineless apologies. Whenever someone gets called out on something, and is made the center of attention for a whole ordeal, they immediately backpedal everything they say and everything they claim to stand for, feverently apologizing in the most legally sound and lawyer-approved way, and recluding into the shadows to wait for it all to blow over. They try so hard to sound sincere when it seems like the least sincere and the most psychologically manipulative strategy to avoid judgement ever. Take a look back to every single Facebook or Twitter announced apologies released in the past year. They are all a large wall of text, written in a prose like that of a legal bill, detailing how "abhorrent their actions were upon reflection," and how they "wish to fully make-up for their misdeeds." They are all written in a way that reads like nothing that they't actually say, and seems more like a script a lawyer fed to them that they copy-pasted to their feed. Keep in mind that few people actually upload video of themselves making these apologies in person or trying to make amends through their actions. They just spew out hollow words onto their social media so that they can take the easiest route possible, and give in to the crowd without actually trying to correct a mistake. Then they continue on as normal, or disappear in a puff of smoke only to reappear a few months later once hte heat has died down. It may be the best way to against the Court of Public Opinion ruthlessly punishing anyone of any misdeed with equal severity, and it may be the only way they think they can get their honest apology out there, but it is so underhanded that it lacks any feeling of connection. Nothing was learned, nothing will change, and nobody's going to do anything about it.

[@iceicebaby112]

Hey Phil! I know this may be a long shot, but I'd really appreciate if you could cover a local story. It's a really small town, but there is some shady shit happening. Recently there was a party at a popular kids house and a kid was beaten and given a concussion by a group of football players, and supposedly one of the assaulters put their penis in the kids mouth (or near it by other accounts). The kid and his parents reported it to the school's athletic director, but because the bully's were football players and the team was about to play their state playoff games, the A.D. swept it under the rug and didn't report it to the police untill the season was over (2 or 3 weeks.) Police are now involved and arrests were made, but tonight's school board meeting makes it sound like the school isn't going to do anything about the A.D. They claim because it didn't occur on school grounds, but the A.D. is a mandatory reporter and the school won't talk about that, and that that is why the community is upset. It being a small town, I'm afraid that all of this will just be ignored and nothing will change, then next thing you know, it happens to another kid. (This A.D. has had many scandals before, and treats kids unfairly. But depsite that history, he still covered up sexual assualt, and I think that's where we need to draw the line). Please, Philly D! This community could really use your help www.mankatofreepress.com/news/local_news/four-blue-earth-area-teens-charged-in-assault/article_a04b67b6-ce3e-11e7-b3f9-c73c7cae6886.html# www.keyc.com/story/36892341

[@iceicebaby112]

www.google.com/amp/amp.fox9.com/news/blue-earth-students-charged-for-attacking-juvenile

[@pizzapiinthesky]

IceIce Baby I love y’all

[@hannesjakobsson765]

Holy fuck

[@tamingstrange7385]

Innocent until PROVEN guilty in all cases of everything

[@carbon1255]

Not just that, claims require evidence, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[@IamMissPronounced]

yet we shouldn't simply dismiss allegations as "its probably fake".

[@oats8854]

MissPronounced If it has no evidence to support it, that is what we'll do.

[@Bubbsmaster]

Cora no of course not... we wait until the situation becomes clearer

[@sacredmoose7246]

Why do some people nor understand innocent until proven guilty?

[@FreudRulz]

Innocent until proven guilty, in court of law. In the court of public opinion that is not a relevant idea.

[@kylab8395]

Callum Ilott because we understand how horrible our criminal justice system is at handling sexual assault. Of course people are innocent until proven guilty, that’s why no one is advocating we should just lock everyone up who’s the cutest. But the court of public opinion is something different. It’s about who you believe and who you think is a liar.

[@vloggetts]

Anyone else disagree with these rape and sexual assault allegations being made so public? Sexual assault and rape are crimes and, as such, should be judged by a jury in court not in a trial by media which will forever taint the accused's name regardless of their guilt

[@jeffrichardson1255]

These people are actors, producers, screenwriters, politicians and/or fake news providers. These are very public jobs. But I do agree to a point that allegations without actual police reports have no place on the public record.

[@IamMissPronounced]

I agree that these are very sensitive crimes and should be handled delicately in private, but the media drools for any news of celebrities, actors and directors. They'll find out one way or another

[@sheltiesongs7378]

Vloggetts It should be made public after the case has been solved. That way if they are innocent, their lives won't be ruined.

[@lokijotunn5233]

Sheltie Songs some falsely accused victim's life ruined even though it's still in process.

[@RaylaEclipse]

I think a lot of these people need to read To Kill a Mockingbird. I feel like there's a lesson that could be learned...

[@yunisblu3412]

Sir Ethan of Astora such as?

[@Lamps_Ahoy]

Yunis Blu3 read the book

[@nanidafaq7626]

Yunis Blu3 not believing false claims, cuz it can get the completle innocent in so much troube? Idk i didnt really pay attention when we were reading the book in school. But i do know the basic premise of the book.

[@kaiinia724]

Yunis Blu3 The book was about people blindly accusing an innocent man of rape, despite all the evidence pointing away from him and towards the accuser. The moral is to get rid of your bias and don’t pick a side before all the evidence is displayed.

[@yunisblu3412]

OK. Gotcha.

[@MukGames]

This "believe all women no matter what" is unrealistic and ridiculous. I recently had a presentation at my university and the speaker at one point gave the scenario of "a friend wakes up in a strangers bed, and has no recollection of the night before. They feel like something happened and tell you about it." She then goes on to tell us to "believe that person no matter what, and not what anyone else says" Are you serious? You're supposed to believe this person who has no memory of what happened, and disregard anyone else who may have more information!? Imagine the damage done to the person she blamed if they were innocent... ridiculous...

[@sploogecarp814]

Another thing about Polygraphs is that if someone freaks out too much they can end up failing the test, because of heart rate and sweat.

[@johanngalilea]

Hey Philip can you talk about the FCC's Net Neutrality again? The removal is coming this week and I'm pretty sure many people are still unaware especially with thanksgiving happening. I know you talked about it months ago, but it's especially important to talk about it now.

[@tri1937]

3:29 make that a shirt

[@kinerockyjazz]

Azure Triedge Yes!!!

[@nanidafaq7626]

aliGol D what a buzzkill.

[@cassandra1234ization]

No, no more garbage unfunny cringey shirts that absolutely no one will understand if they see in public. His shits, they are just, so bad. It's just a quote made buy a guy on KZbin that doesn't ever fit anywhere. They are all cheaply made and poorly thought out. For fuck sake, do not ask for more shirts, please I die a little inside everytime he makes a new shirt.

[@MegCazalet]

“Trust but verify” works in life in general.

[@elmoiswatchingyou]

I'm a feminist and when Lena Dunham first came onto the scene I thought she was kind of obnoxious and largely ignored the stuff she did because it wasn't my type of comedy. Then she published her book and told her "hilarious" anecdotes about molesting her sister and since then I have NOT considered her a feminist. Being loud about women's equality while doing and saying things that hurt women's rights is not being a feminist. Claiming to be a feminist while admitting to molesting a little girl and saying objectively awful things like wishing she'd had an abortion makes her nothing more than a scumbag in my opinion.

[@ryanbrennan8183]

elmoiswatchingyou *sheep*

[@cristiancojocaru9821]

All feminists say objectively awful things. Sure, some might believe they're not the human equivalent of a puddle of medical waste but the tenets of feminism ensure that you are a horrible person as soon as you pick up that description.

[@cristiancojocaru9821]

Actually, yes, all feminists. All feminists believe that there is a "patriarchy", in a global conspiracy of jeww....... I mean men. All feminists consider men to lack empathy towards women, that's why they need feminism, inherent distrust of a sex is __________ ? I never claimed somebody speaks for all feminists, I'm merely pointing at the religion and making objective observations. I understand how you might have thought I was making a blanket statement but I am not talking about women, I'm talking about people who share an ideology, a set of beliefs and ideals, in this case feminism. And since feminism is inherently sexist and wrong ______________ . I'll let you fill in the ______________ with your own logical deductions, I trust you're more than capable of doing that. Let me know if anything about all feminists saying objectively awful things still doesn't click.

[@scottbackula1581]

Milo must be loving this ... 🤣🤣🤣

[@SpaceDuckQuack]

Scott Backula he is probably frolicking around with his husband now. Or buying out a bar xD

[@Catlandian]

And frolicking around with some 15 y/o boys as well.

[@knife_wizard]

Ah yes, Kelly-Anne 'Bowling Green Massacre that never actually happened' Conway. Glad to see she's still kicking around.

[@bardock3601]

Oh I forgot that was her. What a scumbag lolol

[@haleysuranil7480]

Yep, I live within two hours of Bowling Green. Still never happened.

[@anthonydelorme2797]

Lest we forget

[@RaeCarson]

I hope SNL will have a field day with all the new material for their next Kellyanne Conwoman sketch.

[@Yaziebear22]

I know this is an older video, but as a dedicated psychology student and studying social worker, I truly appreciate that you provided the proper cautionary criticism concerning the validity of polygraphy in a criminal justice/legal environment. You rock, DeFranco!

[@Chris-cs3jf]

Lena dunham is basically the Alex Jones of the left/'feminist' movement? That's my takeaway from it

[@jakemf1]

Chris false equivalency! Alex jones thinks there are lizard people nice try though

[@fl00d69]

Except Lena seems quite happy to apologise for things she got wrong. (yes a lot) But Alex does not. Please buy his vitamins before the world ends ok? QUICK! LIMITED TIME OFFER

[@mahungee]

well yeah but Alex is actually entertaining to watch tho

[@tony_5156]

jakemf1 no, he believes that the government lies, which it does.

[@tony_5156]

jakemf1 the global system that benefits big time bankers ✡️

[@yowvidal]

Lena Paul > Lena Dunham

[@JigglePhysics3000]

aloofgoofs Oh hell yes. She's done some great anal scenes.

[@kyl_nd]

Lena The Plug >>>>> Lena Paul > Lena Dunham

[@Captain_Mercury]

Burnt_Cubano lena paul>>>>lena the plug

[@AJ-oy1qq]

I have no idea who Lena Paul is but I agree with you!

[@DarkBunnyLord]

You never need to believe anyone right off the bat. You need to listen and investigate and be skeptical. This idea that we need to listen to all rape accusations and believe them is stupidly dangerous as it not only guarantees we will wind up punishing innocent people but it also gives people with bad intentions a powerful tool to oppress others simply by screaming rape.

[@tomriddle4510]

Oh Philly D. I love your ability to be rational so much.

[@CiabanItReal]

I don't side with either of the extremes on the issue of Rape, "Listen and Believe" or "Evidence or I don't believe you" I don't think either is a good idea or are healthy! I like @HardBastards standard of "Trust but Verify" as in I *TRUST* your not a shitty person and you're telling the truth (unlike the Duke LaCross Case) but I need to *VERIFY* your claims before I make a move against the accused. And that goes both ways, to those who are accused. I *TRUST* your not a rapist, but I need to *VERIFY* your claims of innocence before I call your accuser a Liar.

[@lillieblue]

Ciaban K I like this but in cases with more than three accusers I say the accused loses trust.

[@CiabanItReal]

If those peoples stories all check out sure. Don't get me wrong with a case like Cosby even if some of them are unscrupulous gold diggers, I'm highly suspecious of Cosby being innocent. But we can't have a system where if enough people get together than your guilty. If you have evidence that backs your word then I'm down to listen and that's either the accusor or the accused.

[@lachlanmacpherson4049]

Ciaban K finally someone with a brain

[@nathanielesposito3756]

I agree, but the last little bit there has me concerned. You’re asking someone to verify a negative. It’s impossible to prove a negative claim such as (extreme example) Sasquatch doesn’t exists, because anyone who believes in it can always say “you just haven’t found it yet”. Same with this. If people are asked to prove that they aren’t rapists, then anyone can easily say “well, we just haven’t found the right evidence yet”. This is why it’s unfortunately necessary to put the burden of proof on the person making the positive claim. If someone claims they’ve been raped it is entirely up to them to show the evidence of said occurrence. I hope this is useful. Sorry for tossing all this at you.

[@kazumablackwing4270]

Nathaniel Esposito it isn't impossible to prove a negative...it's just a lot more difficult

[@ArtemisMoon12]

Lena Denham needs to stop speaking for all feminists, or even just stop speaking. She is a gross person and it’s not because she looks a certain way or anything, but she thinks she can say sorry and not actually face consquences or have to change. It’s irritating and I would rather see other voices elevated than hers.

[@callmewaves1160]

ArtemisMoon12 this exactly

[@NinjaGamesWorld]

I want lena dunham to be universally hated but not for saying something smart...

[@chriswihulu]

Jordan Burkhardt ... Don't think you have to worry about that happening!

[@stove2168]

^

[@shanus11]

I want her to have her career and social life destroyed. She is a vile creature and all those who are working with her or giving her these breaks are enabling a sick minded child abuser, liar, racist, sexist,.. hmm why else? Do we know if she is a holocaust denier? Wouldn't be suprised

[@Phil.Anthropy]

but she didn't? she took the side of the accused without any citation of evidence or bringing anything but her mouth to the table? "find evidence first" and what she did are not the same in the slightest.

[@mcearl8073]

Nova Kobra is love to see her destroyed but only if she goes broke first which probably won’t happen.

[@TheAgavi]

Thanks for saying "gay or bi". Most people jumped straight to gay like bisexuality wasn't an option.

[@LeeLeeJames1111]

No one is talking about how the Tax Reform will eliminate private activity bonds (PABs). Making it harder for people to afford to build and own homes for low/mid-income families.

[@orangeavocado2]

That whole "..." spiel needs to be put on a T-shirt

[@Shamitako]

Yes please

[@lenatraceroxton1363]

Jerry Lunanuova MAKE IT HAPPEN

[@andrewgemmell8043]

DOT DOT DOT.......

[@SapienSafari]

Your honesty and objectivity is refreshing.

[@Malicious_Hero]

Why is everyone now going against all the people in sexual assault cases now, but when it was Trump he never had this happen to him? Did everyone just forget about that?

[@user-yo5yr9yr2h]

16 people accused Trump of sexual assault and harassment. And Trump bragged about going into the changing room of underage girls from Miss Universe. Many of those girls came forward about how violated they felt when he did that. Idk why people don't believe Trump is a predator.

[@haylox669]

Every time I miss Kelleyanne Conway, she comes out and says something like this. You don’t disappoint girlfriend! #soullessvotesmatter

[@haylox669]

#savetherasins

[@sirbbq2403]

It took this long for people to realize Lena is a joke... k.

[@SpankSandwitch99]

sir bbq no, it took this long for them to realize her vocal support of feminism isn't worth dealing with her trashy self and nasty tendencies

[@chianablue]

Thanks for talking about the tax reform issue. This would hurt so many people!

[@radicalcentrist1708]

Listening to allegations of rape does not equal believing allegations of rape. We need to get to a point where we can listen to both accuser and accused respectfully without jumping to conclusions. Respecting one party does not imply disrespecting the other. This is especially import in the case of rape allegations where it's probably something like 40% of rapes are misreported or false. Here's a source for that number: Rumney, Philip NS. "False allegations of rape." The Cambridge Law Journal 65.1 (2006): 128-158.

[@milesdixon9267]

sam Stfu

[@darthnyith]

tablishing whether police recording practices give an accurate indication as to the number of rape reports that are genuinely false. One of the few studies to attempt to do this was by Kanin who examined 109 reports to the police over a 9-year period in a small metropolitan area in the Midwestern United States. Of these reports, Kanin found that the police had officially declared 45 (41%) to be false. Kanin claimed that the investigation always included a ‘‘serious offer’’ by the police to polygraph the complainant and suspect(s) and noted that it was police department policy that a report could only be declared false if the complainant herself admitted that the allegation was untrue.86 While this research has been described as a ‘‘careful study’’,87 Kanin also warns against generalising from his findings88 and there are a number of reasons why its reliability might be questioned. First, is the uniqueness of the finding that every unfounded report resulted from a recantation by the complainant.89 Kanin does not disclose how many complainants in his study were in fact, polygraphed, which might have provided an additional measure of reliability. Second, Kanin claims that the police acted professionally and ‘‘recantations did not follow prolonged periods of investigation and interrogation’’.90 However, while Kanin reports that the police in this study were very co-operative in sharing information such as case files, it is not at all apparent how he can be sure from paper records that complainants were not subjected to pressure to withdraw. Nor does he consider that the offer of a polygraph test might have represented an underlying view by officers that rape complaints, by their nature, were suspect-a view that might influence subsequent recording practice, as noted in other research.

[@radicalcentrist1708]

@darthnyith Thanks for quoting some of the paper. I was referring to the Kanin study, which in my opinion is still the best study of the issue to date. (I cited the scholarly review though because it discusses all the methodological issues of trying to figure out what the rate of false reporting actually is)

[@darthnyith]

Sean S Yeah I quoted that study. It had counterpoints to 40% that were pretty good

[@Often_Uneliable]

Lena Dunham.... That girl ain't right. This is exactly why you never speak in absolutes...

[@Blue-wz5um]

Lena has always given feminism a bad name. Just by throwing around the word feminism, it doesn't justify her ridiculous actions or make it okay in the name of feminism. Good for her ex-writer for standing up for her beliefs and leaving

[@lainewinner2540]

His "buh bye now" final words to the Mr. Wesley topic absolutely made my month.

[@ethanbarnard6954]

Can we get another t-shirt with that hashtag?

[@stevemanart]

Trust but verify. *TRUST BUT VERIFY* why the fuck have people forgotten this critical thinking skill?

[@Avrysatos]

Dennis X well, they'd rather dismiss victims and let rapists go free and pretend there's no problems.

[@punkdude777]

Google Blackstone's formulation, it's the cornerstone of our justice system. It basically states, you acknowledge that letting some bad people go free is better than punishing innocents. Your personal ethics might disagree, but that is how the system operates.

[@xigxog]

Thanks Phil my mum saw the tax and banned me from watching how sexy it is!

[@DaxIsAName]

Oh my god how are you trending right now??? I thought KZbin hated you! Congrats!

[@judymm6991]

confirms the need for law and order and due process reviewing evidence in a court of law- the noise of public opinion ends up proving nothing, pillorying many

[@badmom7906]

As a “real” feminist, not this “new” hijacked version(in my 40’s.) I find Dunham despicable, doesn’t speak for me ....and I want her to go AWAY!!!

[@patavinity1262]

Just look at her, tying herself up in endless knots.

[@mikekrier1465]

Woa this episode was PACKED. I mean that in a good way. 18 minutes of very serious stuff! 18 minutes and not only that but Defranco was talking fast to cram it in. I love it me sittin her drinkin' my green tea with blueberry tea I was like WOA WOA! This is like heavy metal defranco!

[@danbevan5153]

Talk about net neutrality!

[@zanderdulce8790]

Plasma pls we need this to happen

[@TheOnlyGimmeturben]

Question, since you are trying to be more news-like could you follow the Canadian Government? there aint many places that follow the news so thoroughly, and its rare to find someone who can explain it and separate their own opinion from the news.

[@babycakes1202]

Dr. Feelgood good topic: the 150 000+ federal employees having pay issues... If Walmart wasn't paying it's employees, it would be news across the world

[@pow8408]

Time/detail/research e.c.t are all an issue. Do you have anyone in CA that's anything like PD? If you can find them support them because then your more likely to get nation specific news. What about local news how's that? If you can try and get involved more on the local level. I know I'm trying the same thing. Much of what he talks about is irrelevant to me except for the occasional worldly news story and fun lighthearted stuff. Watch PDs now out of habit.

[@ArchesBro]

Canada is fucking tiny and the population is wildly centralized. People's opinions aren't anywhere near as diverse as here in the US. I think you neglect the huge Chinese migrant population in Canada that ignores politics entirely btw

[@RiversEagle_]

Here's the thing, Phill is unlikely to cover anything that isn't major major news regarding the Canadian government, why? Because he's American, simple. It's the same reason I'm not really knowledgeable on the politics of Australia, they're not really on my list of priorities, I may occassionally hear a thing here and there but aside from major international news, I'm mostly gonna be in the dark.

[@TheOnlyGimmeturben]

yeah i know hes american, but he himself said he wanted to expand

[@jAujAl1]

The point of listen and believe is to offer support to abuse victims, because the last thing you want to see when you've been through a really painful experience is to be denied it happened and called a liar just because your story is not credible enough. However, there is a reason why the saying goes "listen and believe" and not "listen, believe, and act". Rape cases are by nature very complicated, and more often than not there's simply not enough evidence to decide which story is true, in one way or the other. Just like in most rape cases it's impossible to 100% know if the victim is lying, it's impossible to 100% know if they're telling the truth. And we need to offer the same standards to a potential wrongly accused innocent as we do to a potentially abused victim. Most western countries' law systems are based on the principle of the presumption of innocence, and it's the core of our legal system. It suggest it's better to set a culprit free than to jail an innocent. And unless we don't have a 100% certitude that the accused rapist is not innocent, we cannot throw them under the bus under the "listen and believe" principle. Usually, this decision is made by the criminal court, not the public, and while the court may not be a 100% accurate arbiter of truth, it's our only arbiter of justice. So until justice has been made, what we should do is offer our full support to people who come out as victims, but offer the full benefit of the doubt to the person they accuse. Because the only thing nearly as bad as being accused of a liar for a painful experience you lived is to suffer the painful consequences of being wrongly accused of a crime you didn't commit. Our priority should be supporting victims, not being unwilling bullies, and victims of false rape accusations are victims too. It's not a gendered issue either, the point is not to listen and believe women, like Lena Dunham says, it's to listen and believe victims. And men can be victims too, for instance 40% of domestic abuse victims are men. And even if they weren't so many, and they were in fact a tiny minority of abuse victims, it wouldn't matter either, we shouldn't assume the possibility of victimhood of a person depending of the possibility of victimhood of the demographic they belong too. People are not figures, they should be judged on their individual basis and not on their gender. One victim who doesn't get the support they deserve is too many. One innocent who gets wrongly accused is too many. What Lena Dunham does when asking to listen and believe all women is to set a double standard and denies the experience of all male victims.

[@mitchverr9330]

Sadly listen and believe implies action however, if you believe a rape victims story (male or female) then you must, defacto believe the other person guilty and thus, you will act different towards them and society will also as a whole. People in general are too stupid to think beyond that sadly, as the saying goes an individual can be smart and rational, but a group is stupid and dangerous.

[@jAujAl1]

Maybe "listen and don't assume falsehood" would be a more appropriate motto, but it doesn't roll to the tongue that well. Either way, I don't think it's incompatible to believe two completely different version of a story. Either because you ultimately don't know which one is true, and decide you aren't in the right situation to choose which one, or because sometimes, and actually, in the vast majority of such cases, both versions can be true yet still sound incompatible. In most cases, both parties can rightly believe their own version of the story to be true. Nobody can claim the spot of the omniscient observer, every individual has only a partial understanding of the situation, and that includes the parties directly involved in the incident (hence why they are called "parties", they represent their own part of the story). Sometimes it's just a misunderstanding, a gesture that was wrongly interpreted, a sentence that was worded awkwardly, a split between intended and perceived meaning. The Simpson episode "Homer Badman" comes to mind, in Homer's point of view he was eating a candy that was sticking on the babysitter's jeans, in the babysitter's point of view Homer was attempting to grope her. This is a good example because it actually happens in reality, and more often than not, albeit not as caricatural, but people, and especially media, tend to ignore that because it's easier and more comfortable to pick one side and speak in absolutes. And it sells more. Not to say that it's in every case of course. There is hardly any double meaning to be understood when a guy says "can I masturbate in front of you?", although one can make the argument he could have believed the lady was into him, which in that case does still not make it okay.

[@ruidecas5640]

"listen and believe" - is the logic behind every witch hunt in history.

[@gateauxq4604]

The Brock Turner case disproves your '100% certainty' theory. The woman who was raped didn't know what happened to her until she was at the hospital and they pulled out the rape kit, AND Turner was found, tackled, and detained by foreign exchange students who witnessed him being a garbage person. You could argue there is something that could have been uncertain but a. The victim's accusation was completely based in science and medical findings and b. THERE WERE WITNESSES WHO WERE THIRD PARTIES. What happened to garbage person Brock Turner? He got 30 seconds in jail because his dad broke down in front of the judge and begged for leniency because the charge would 'ruin' Brock's future and he couldn't eat his favorite food in jail (steak.) Even with insurmountable evidence a white guy can get away with a slap on the hand because daddy cried to the judge. When women read about this shit happening in 2015 is it any wonder why women are not satisfied with bringing rape allegations to the authorities? If you're gonna relive a trauma when you tell someone else about it you might as well tell someone who might actually listen to and believe you. The criminal justice system's handling of rape cases needs to be fixed but until then all that these women in pain have is the court of public opinion (who would judge them anyway if anything ever managed to go to trial.)

[@mitchverr9330]

Prosecution wanted 6 years in that case, blame the judge for failing at his job and only giving the rapist 6 months, personally i think he should be sacked but thats me. And the other side is true, Jemma Beale lied about 4 instances, sending 1 man to jail(7 year sentance) and another fled the country because he didnt believe he would get a fair trial and it was down to some luck that they figured this liar out, sometimes justice gets it wrong. The problem with shouting "reform" is nobody seems to put forward any idea of reform, they demand it but have no real alternative beyond some of the extremes such as "guilty till proven innocent" tactics and due to this, anyone with a reasonable central position is overshouted by zealots.

[@jonathantalerico2580]

A friend of mine who is in graduate school in Indiana talked to me a couple days ago about how the bill would affect him. He attends the school with a $27,000 tuition waiver from the school. He researches for the school while he's there and is getting paid $22,000. The House bill treats the waiver as money he's made chalking him up to making $49,000 And putting him in the 25% tax bracket which is $12,000-12,500. His rent at his apartment at school is $10,000. At only making $22,000 in tangible money a year, all of that or a little more is gone just paying for rent. Then there is food and basic hygeine he has to somehow pay for with money he doesn't have with this bill.

[@Mark-sz5rh]

I believe in "Mansplaining" - I am a man and I need many things 'splanned to me.

[@PeachT87]

Mark Morrissey lol

[@mr.nobody2485]

Mark Morrissey y

[@gradyripple7025]

If Lena supported trump, she would just apologize and flip later.

[@xiii0722]

xD good point

[@totes_muhgoats]

Not enough time to stabilize the market?! WTF does that even mean!? She's worried about people dropping their plans because they are no longer required to have them? And then Insurance companies might loose some business? All of the healthy young people dropping their coverage like a hot potato? So she's worried about the insurance companies?

[@Satsaru]

That bugged me about that whole "13 million americans might be without insurance!" bit. Yeah, because there's 13 million young americans who never fucking wanted to be forced into buying it in the first place.

[@litchie5836]

I think the idea is that if young people drop their insurance, then the cost goes up for those who do truly need insurance, because then everyone who has insurance will be a high risk case. Then, those people who do need insurance won't be able to afford it because of the increased cost. The 13 million Americans without insurance is referring to these people.

[@zeke4life2]

Carl Popkes do you not know how insurance works? Insurance works because most people will not get some terrible disease that the insurance company will not have to pay out lots of money to. It's a safety net that works when everyone is involved. If the only the old and sick have insurance it doesn't work for anyone because how can you be insured if everyone that buys in is likely to get sick. Things like insurance only work when a majority of people pay into it because otherwise it's not worth it for anyone involved

[@dudeno1946]

Phil your the only news I watch cuz I'm sick and tired of hearing about the Cheeto man every single day. I love you because you are honest and up and front about things and impartial.