Why Fifth Harmony Fell Apart

[@monstercat3628]

Reminds me of the meme "when its a group project but you are gonna be graded individually"

[@popdissected4400]

Omfgggg 💀

[@roseghould]

No but actually…

[@kobiburmeister]

their management was terrible and i think they’re all doing much better mentally and commercially as soloists

[@popdissected4400]

Yeah, their record deal was...subpar at best.

[@chloekero5460]

I saw Ally and Normani at a music festival in late 2019, Ally was the first act had 15 minutes to perform and she was really amazing and put all her energy onstage but nobody in the crowd seemed to care. Normani on the other hand performed later on for 20-30 minutes and the crowd loved her, there’s absolutely a demand for her music but it’s just a waiting game for the album

[@popdissected4400]

Oh wow! That really sucks the audience didn't show the same level of energy for Ally! I can only imagine what it must feel like to be on stage giving it your all and having that be your reception...

[@vacuumblink2300]

@@popdissected4400 why? Normani is just way more interesting and talented.

[@TheYolo88]

@@vacuumblink2300 interesting? That’s Debatable for normani tbh

[@englishblade]

@@TheYolo88 Anyone is more interesting than Ally no offence, I saw her at iheartradio recently, literally the worst performer or the night and the crowd was just not into it, it was a mess, Normani is obvs more interesting, but that doesnt make her a star

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@englishblade I think it depends on whether you are into good vocals or good choreo. You'll get good choreo with Normani naturally, but you'll get way better vocals with Ally.

[@aviemoreno4647]

I honestly believe that both Fifth Harmony and Little Mix and even BLACKPINK (their future is in jeopardy here too) suffer from having too much pressure to pursue something specific. Their managements were not helpful for them mentally and their images were strained.

[@popdissected4400]

Yes, yes and yes. The pressure of the industry and management really seem to be the common theme with these groups ... which some would say is a "no brainer" but not all the times is that the case with some artists. I find it very peculiar this type of conflict is centered around girl groups as well.

[@bellereinette2938]

(Sorry for the long comment) With K-Pop in general the BIG year is the 7th when contracts are renegotiated they either disband or most of the group resigns & one member leaves or as of recent years if there’s a member that wants to go somewhere else bc they want pursue an acting career but they want to stay in the group also there is an agreement that that member can leave the company but there is an agreement that that member will stay in the group or the GOT7 thing which is so revolutionary & historic & gives everyone from groups to fandoms a lot of hope! A group like Girls Generation for example after their 10th Anniversary album went on hiatus & did their own thing for the past 5 years & they decided this is the year to comeback for their 15th Anniversary they are coming back under SM Entertainment tho most members are no longer there & from the way some of the girls are talking it seems they at least included creatively! Blackpink is a weird situation bc the company they are under, YG Entertainment, SUCKS most of their groups comeback once a year if their lucky! Treasure’s coming back again soon apparently & BigBang & G-Dragon can comeback whenever they please how many times they please cuz if they got a song or album ready they can just tell YG & YG will be like “pick a release date!” Something not even YG’s cash cow’s have the privilege to do all cuz YG considers GD & BigBang the act that made YG what it is & YG himself has said that & YG was an industry leader in K-Pop about a decade ago now they just don’t know what they doing I mean since Blackpink’s last comeback was TWO YEARS AGO!! & Bc I think with every girl group in K-Pop & their mother coming back in the next 2 months everyone is clearing space for the Girls Generation comeback in August since it was announced about a month & a half ago?? Two months?? I don’t remember 😂 but absolutely EVERYONE in Korea know who Girls Generation is & news of their comeback made the national news 😂 their leader, Taeyeon, got a PAK (Perfect All Kill) on the Korean charts earlier this year & there center, YoonA is one of the most recognisable faces in the country & her popularity is still through the roof, Seohyun is doing her thing acting, Tiffany’s appearing on Korea’s answer to Broadway (in Chicago as Roxy) & all the girls are still working! Point is I think with YG announcing Winner’s comeback soon & I guess probably Treasure after that I would expect a Blackpink either AFTER Girls Generation in August or September! & if YG debuts the new girl group first!!!!!!! Well I pray for them tbh YG is the absolute worse ESPECIALLY with girl groups!!! But I’m about 70% they’ll resign next year (it’s their 7th year!) if anyone leaves (which right now I don’t see happening tbh!) is Rosé just cuz I feel she could be the most frustrated in not releasing as much music as the girls would like (Twice debuted the year before Blackpink & the gap in the discography is SHOCKING!! Even tho I’m the first to say JYP overworks those girls but that’s a story for another day!!) & On The Ground was YG not Rosé in my opinion GONE was Rosé but On The Ground, my girl deserved better that’s all!! but I think Blackpink will get to their 10th Anniversary then I do see them going on hiatus & going their separate ways after tho ngl!!

[@HarpreetKaur-qo6nw]

Lauren Jauregui actually was with Columbia Records but they wanted to control her and make her a mainstream pop artist. But Lauren wanted full creative control and freedom and did not want to box herself into one genre. The label was about to shelve her and so Lauren got out of her contract and became an independent artist with her own record label and that is how she was able to release Prelude her EP. I think being an independent artist is perfect for Lauren because she does not want to be mainstream, she just wants to make art that resonates and have full control over her music.

[@popdissected4400]

Ohh, I didn't know this!! Good for Lauren!

[@tatum635]

no lauren flopped so she was dropped from columbia

[@silentreader77]

@@tatum635 well the label wasted the momentum on Expectations, an EP should be released following that song

[@tatum635]

@@silentreader77 expectations didn’t have momentum it FLOPPED. Sad but true.

[@silentreader77]

@@tatum635 well I didn't see any true effort from label, even RCA put more effort on Normani

[@Louis-bh4xb]

i saw fifth harmony on their 7/27 tour and i gotta say they was absolutely AMAZING live but there was not much chemistry between the girls on stage. It was like they was 5 individual singers. Amazing live performers though

[@popdissected4400]

Yess there are some performances I've watched where they killed it 👏

[@fkaangel]

i saw them on the Summer Reflection tour and i completely agree

[@ethanpolley1085]

I really don’t think we’ll see any more MASSIVE girl groups. For western music little mix fits the bill personally. But I don’t think any record label would mess with the juggernaut of K-pop.

[@soprano2087]

Well the only kpop girl group who is big in the western is blackpink, and they are mistreated as well :(

[@notyou666]

the western GP just doesn’t have the attention span for groups tbh. not since the early 2010’s at least. the K-Pop industry has their own formula of bringing up talent that works great for them, and tbh The West should take some notes on the artist development. since that’s usually the problem for Groups here, the lack of a cohesive identity and branding for the group as a whole.

[@ethanpolley1085]

@@soprano2087 I think There are a lot of kpop groups on the rise, in western music I mean, (itzy, twice, red velvet, aespa etc.) and also Gen 5 groups are starting to emerge as well (aespa,IVE, kep1er) IVEs debut song debuted at number 12 on the us charts, and kep1ers wa da da debuted at number 13 on the charts. I mean, the fact that ROOKIE groups are debuting in the top 20 speaks volumes.

[@mihaiesanu9945]

@@notyou666 even before, girlgroups have always been HUGE in the UK (especially during the 00's there were a lot) but Americans never had that girlgroups culture, they didn't get attached to 5H the way Brits are obsessed over Sugababes or Girls Aloud...

[@soprano2087]

@@ethanpolley1085 really? On the hot 100?

[@jayd3455]

Dinah was always pushed to the back, left off and not given any lines on the first TWO singles of their debut era, meanwhile only leading one single in their first two albums. She was told her vocals were too soulful for their pop records yet she coordinated alot of their harmonies when they had acoustic performances or did covers. It’s just criminal how she was treated and disregarded in the group when she had the most vocal talent which countless vocal coaches have said. While there is so much to consider in regards to 5H’s history and time together, I will say with the right label, a lot of the 5h girls would have successful and fruitful careers. However, some in the group were barely even given the chance.

[@melonpeach9723]

i have been obsessed with them recently!! their song no boys allowed just leaked a couple days ago. i think a lot of their unreleased songs were much better than those officially released. people say they were meant to be soloists and maybe so, but i think they would have been a legendary group with great chemistry if not for their contracts. they have shown massive love to each other and no matter if they get together again or not they’ll always hold a place in my heart

[@popdissected4400]

It's a bummer, I think when Camila left and the girls decided to go solo was the time they _really_ could have catapulted the group to higher stardom.

[@arnoldroumellavisores]

Hmm as much as I would like to agree that they were meant to be soloists, I think, based on their solo careers at the present time, they are way better and stronger as a group, yes 5 of them. I think it would've been better that they had an album that would contain songs that show their individuality (like different genres) and as a group (as FH)

[@soprano2087]

Thank you for not blaming the other girls like most people do when they talk about them

[@popdissected4400]

Of course. As stated, we don't know ALL of what went behind the scenes. I do believe Camila had a huge hand in everything happening the way it did, but we only know what we're told and I do my best to really clarify when stuff is hearsay or speculation. I wouldn't go in saying "the girls are to blame" unless I found stuff that showed or revealed their actions indicated it - none of which I could really find.

[@redeemedstone]

@@popdissected4400 thanks for this, esp since the girls were vilified after that ill advised performance.

[@melonpeach9723]

7:45 Normani and Lauren said in an interview about their album cycle (3 albums in less than 3 years) that they were given songs and didn’t believe in what they were singing. camila wanted to write songs for the group but was rejected. it was their contract which only got fixed AFTER camila left

[@popdissected4400]

Ahhh okay, thank you for the insight!

[@dannyrivera2733]

I was never huge on Fifth Harmony, I liked a few of their songs and I’m rooting for Normani, but they just never seemed to work as a group. I attribute this to X Factor honestly, they were all sort of lumped together and put as a group, so there were people that sort of stood out and others who blended in, not to mention they all had different talents and couldn’t really harmonize together, at least in my opinion. I think with all of that, their decline sort of felt inevitable in hindsight. Personally, I really dislike Camila now, as a Latino guy, I did like her for a little bit because I wanted to root for her since she was a Latina in the American pop music space since there often aren’t a lot of us but finding out about her racism, we already have a lot of antiblackness within our community already and I just choose to not support someone who has contributed to that. I can’t say that I do or don’t forgive her, mainly because I’m not the person to say that, but her apology had a lot of issues and I just didn’t feel comfortable supporting her.

[@popdissected4400]

All this - very well put 🙌

[@Tarikkb]

I just hope ppl someday realize that her “racism “ was just fake , people photoshopped it , the person who did it even came forward but no one seems to care everyone prefers the fake narrative cuz it’s dramatic

[@astrid4911]

@@Tarikkb lmao camila apologized because she knew it was true

[@Tarikkb]

@@astrid4911 no , she apologized one tweet she made when she was 13 not other stuff

[@notyou666]

the established branding wasn’t there. the sisterhood was never there. the “harmony” was NEVER there(vocals and group dynamics). it always felt like 5 girls fighting for the spotlight while performing. i’m glad they’re all solo now and get to individually enjoy their own experiences. Dinah Jane & Normani were the 2 members that stood out to me ALWAYS! They’re still my faves and wish them all the success they deserve. 💖

[@popdissected4400]

I think the branding was sooo crucial. Even watching their performances and looking at artwork alone, it didn't give off a specific vibe or image! And that can be sooo tricky when you have 5 people who are all different!

[@babyballer3105]

OMGG yesss!! There was like no chemistry between them (on and off stage), compared to other western gg’s like Little Mix.

[@silentreader77]

@@popdissected4400 The album cover of 7/27 literally shows that. Minimum chemistry, minimum creative freedom. Yet it is titled 7/27 which is ironic.

[@maninedoow5895]

They stood out the most to you because you’re a fan of the one person who was also in a band who got the most shine. And Normani and Dinah have that Beyoncé and Destiny’s Child vibe. You have to get to know the other girls and their styles as well. You say that because you didn’t. You didn’t under their friendship, their harmonies were there you just didn’t see it, and the establishing brand has gotten them into the top 20 of being the biggest girl group in history. You saying all of this crap, because you don’t understand sisterhood coming from your fave who got the most shine because of her dad. You’re telling me you don’t understand when 5H and DC went through just about the same as well as SG? You gotta be kidding me. If I were to say DC didn’t know anything about sisterhood you would be down my throat. As knowing that behind the scenes, DC are like sisters, (with the exception of Farrah) and all 5 of 5H are sensitive with each other. They still think of one another and they didn’t go through what DC had. 5H>>>>>>>DC

[@maninedoow5895]

@@babyballer3105we’re not talking about Little Mix

[@delreybaby]

I honestly never liked Camila, but she has had a couple of hits. Normani is by far the best and the most talented out of all of them and I’m excited to see where she goes from here.

[@popdissected4400]

Totally excited to see more of Normani's work 👏

[@leavemealone322]

I find Ally the most talented. She's a vocal beast and a fantastic dancer

[@stxrboymarco]

dinah or camila are the most talented. dinah has the voice and stage presence. camila has versatility, stage presence, vocals, and she’s able to change a song every performance; ex, never be the same

[@jlr95100]

Idk about Normani being the most talented…😂

[@amyrios9809]

Normani is not the most talented camila is because she has the best songs and is an amazing singer

[@lucasorlando99]

Allegedly Camila and her team (Roger Gold) is trying to blackball Normani Bc they want camila to be the only successful solo career from 5H and don’t want Normani to overshadow Camila which is why whenever Normani releases something there is always some sort of issue or messy launches which IMO I think this could be true but it’s all alleged

[@popdissected4400]

I did read up on that!! A lot of this stuff can be hard to decipher because it isn't all "set in stone"

[@GrizzlyPurpleBearKatie]

Whether that’s true, but think I believe that. The management definitely try to make Camila, centre of attention for sure as that was so obviously. Never really like her, even she went solo. Hers music wasn’t that good, it sounds all the same.

[@TheCaliforniaboy1]

The funny thing is when I got into 5H, I really thought Normani was the lead singer or Dinah. Their voices were fuller and more recognised than Camila's voice. Especially in Sledgehammer, Worth It, and Work From Home. I felt like Camila's voice was more for the high belting moments like in How We Roll and That's My Girl. I didn't get her being the lead singer unless you count the formations they posed in occasionally where she was usually in the middle.

[@kwadwothestan]

I really do believe this. Every Normani release and some of her performances as well always have some hitch that she somehow miraculously powers through. I don’t believe Camila herself is doing it though, it seems to me that she has moved on from her fifth harmony days and isn’t really paying attention to any of her former band mates. I believe it is all being done by her team and label.

[@mjl5777]

camila was pushed to the front, and when she left, the group of fans who only cared about her left the group too.

[@popdissected4400]

And I think that speaks _a lot_ in itself...

[@tjsquibbofficial]

Let's be honest, 5H would have TOOK over the world if their label wasn't so shit. Imagine them under a Indie label or being Independent as a group. That way they wouldn't have been forced into being a Pop group with hints of R&B. The 5 or 4 of them releasing music they actually wanna sing would have been amazing.

[@maninedoow5895]

I totally agree!

[@elisdylan]

I personally think Ally should pivot and aim for a more mature audience and try her hand at hosting. She’s extremely likeable and friendly so I feel she’d be a great talk show host or something like that

[@charlieedwards4331]

Camila’s “apology” if that’s what you wanna call it didn’t even sound like one! She said that in the past she used “hurtful language” but like NO she was reblogging blatantly racist memes on her tumblr and saying terrible things about Normani. Camila is way beyond being forgiven.

[@popdissected4400]

I think the fact it was posted as a story on Instagram is what did it for me...seriously? Something like _that_ emerges and her, not even her team or anyone else thought it might be better or more sincere if she addressed it professionally? I think when an apology is very half-assed (in my opinion), a person rarely feels remorse. However, I don't know Camila personally, so I can't speak on her remorse or not. I just felt the "apology" was delivered very passively.

[@hulk395]

*@Charlie Edwards* No, her apology is sincere and you love all the girls. It's been a long day without them, your friends! And you'll tell them all about it when you see them again! You've come a long way from where you began! Oh, you'll tell them all about it when you see them again, when you see them again! *beautiful music*

[@shenadarling50]

People grow and change.

[@notagname]

she never said shit about normani stop pushing that fake narrative

[@notagname]

@@popdissected4400 what are you talking about she posted it on twitter too. which is still up

[@taylipa]

normani is the most TALENTED IN THAT GROUP

[@albertobuenoduval4077]

Tampoco te mames

[@leavemealone322]

Ally is the most talented

[@hulk395]

All five of the girls are talented. So just go crazy, crazy, crazy 'til you the see the sun! I know you only met, but just pretend it's love! And never, never, never stop for anyone! Tonight just get some, and live while you're young! Wah oh wah oh wah oh oh oh oh! *party music*

[@stxrboymarco]

bruh listen to her and dinah singing side by side and come back 💀 she was the weakest vocalist

[@jlr95100]

@@stxrboymarco you ain’t lying 😂

[@Sweetmouth15]

Longevity wise…. I think if normani gets a new team and better promotions, she could definitely be here for the long run.

[@popdissected4400]

Trueeeee. I do wonder if it's her more her team or her own decision when it comes to how long it's been taking to release her album.

[@Sweetmouth15]

She did say the bullying and the comparisons is what hinders herself from social media. And she’s a perfectionist so that’s not a good combination.

[@zerozero3138]

The problem for me was that they were singing against each other and not really together. I find the whole thing sad, while they were good as a group they could have been awesome because the talent was there.

[@popdissected4400]

Okay - yes!

[@iosashes2087]

They did not sing “against” each other. This narrative that they were somehow competing with each other just bc everyone added their own unique flair to their parts is so baseless and has just become a thing to repeat despite it not being true at all. It’s so strange because they were always hyping each other’s vocals up during performances more than any group I’ve ever seen yet somehow everyone remembers them as competitive. Crazy how wrong narratives can take off…

[@wlas4146]

I just want to say that I appreciate you viewing Fifth Harmony in a neutral aspect. There has been other channels that really lets their negative view on the group dictate how Fifth Harmony actually was. I also love that you’re speaking out for Lauren, Ally, Dinah, and Normani. I love Camila, but there has been other channels who have spoke about their abuse but ties it back to only Camila. The four girls need some care, and I really appreciate that. Fifth Harmony may have not been all that, but they hold a special place in my heart that no other girl group or artist can replace or come close to. Being a fan means accepting the good with the bad. But how you go and defend your bias really speaks more volume on you and their impression on you than they themselves. If you really did appreciate the girls in the group, you would at least take the time to listen to what each girl has released. I know you have your own music taste, but you never know when they are going to release a bop you truly enjoy and not just because it’s mainstream.

[@popdissected4400]

I don't have opinions on the group one way or the other to be honest! I had enjoyed some of their songs but when doing videos like this, it's where I really find myself learning in depth about artists. Granted, I may not know every detail like a Harmonizer / huge stan, but I do my best! I found the brunt of this video does talk about Camila, but there were plenty of other factors at play. As for the latter, I'm not entirely sure if you're addressing _me_ or in reference to fans of 5H.

[@wlas4146]

@@popdissected4400 the latter was addressing to fans of the group. I do understand that you do talk a bit about Camila in this video, but it wasn’t the kind where you drag Lauren, Normani, Ally, and Dinah down. I think you analyzed, offended, and defended each of them as best as you could, and that’s all I wanted I wanted. No biased to really infringed your analysis about them, nor really any comparisons to any girl group.

[@maddie9655]

I think all the girls are very talented, but they needed a lot more cohesion. They never felt like a group.

[@popdissected4400]

Agreed!

[@o_huskywolfdean7]

Lauren, Ally, Normani and Dinah definitely deserve a lot of credit and recognition, they never got the same and credit they deserved as Camila did. Because it all the go to Camila and that just seem really unfair, Camila wasn’t the only one person to make it.

[@popdissected4400]

Yes! This is exactly what I meant. She got the solo career first, the big collabs first, the album first - all of that stuff (intentionally or not) ends up allowing her to be the known solo artists of 5H. It's not to say the other members didn't try, but timing really plays a key factor into who gets what credit and recognition.

[@CutieBearz]

Exactly! It is unfair the other four are not getting, the same treatment and recognition they deserve. Whether Camila deserves the recognition she receive, the other are just as good and talented as she is or were.

[@Premonition_333]

Every1 wanted to stay together but sadly Camilla got big headed, she had to go solo and if she flopped, rest on the fact that she can go back. Now her career isn’t anywhere and she got exposed for being racist to multiple groups.

[@popdissected4400]

Her collabs are what boosted her popularity. Look at her discography - which songs performed the best overall? Only her upcoming album will really cement if she was able to thrive on her own. Of course there are many major markets she can cater too - but as a _whole_ in terms of impact , we'll see 🤷‍♀

[@fashionlover5195]

@@popdissected4400 That R&B singer Jojo did an interview a while ago where she alluded to C getting a big head... as she opened up on tour for 5H back in the day. If you know anything about JoJo, she's very unproblematic! So I fully believe she was being sincere. & to this day, I think she only follows Lauren & Normani on socials.

[@hulk395]

No, she isn't racist and their careers are all great. Me. Worldwide, let's celebrate! Yah! Yah! You just wanna celebrate! You just wanna celebrate! Tonight they're making history! So you just wanna celebrate!

[@kwadwothestan]

@@popdissected4400 that is a very good point that I think people often forget! Camila still doesn’t have a major solo hit

[@iKETOURAGE]

@@fashionlover5195 Aubrey O Day from Danity Kane also mentioned that Camila wasnt very nice.

[@fashionlover5195]

Pasting this here...That R&B singer Jojo did an interview a while ago where she alluded to C getting a big head... as she opened up on tour for 5H back in the day. If you know anything about JoJo, she's very unproblematic! So I fully believe she was being sincere. & to this day, I think she only follows Lauren & Normani on socials.

[@popdissected4400]

Yes, we love JoJo! 🙌 But interesting insight from an "outsider's" perspective...

[@fashionlover5195]

@@popdissected4400 Right! That’s what made me believe it even more, the fact she’s an outsider. And even in that interview she kept it so classy with how she said it… without fully saying it 🤣. I need to work on that skill! 😭

[@popdissected4400]

@@fashionlover5195 Hahaha! I think being tactful is the best way to be "shady" (not that she was being that) but to say something so subtly but people can still pick up on it? Goldddd lol

[@Gabe-z8o]

Camila was literally a child when she started out in the group I think it’s very normal that she would be affected by fame when the adults around her are guessing her up so much. I think it’s hypocritical, unless you are a child yourself, to hold her past actions to the same standards as you would an adult

[@kwadwothestan]

I did know she opened for fifth harmony! That’s cool. I would love to read that interview.

[@WonderKingE]

I would really like actual 5H fans to make videos about them. I hate watching videos of people who didn't even follow the group closely or support them in any kind of way just bad mouth them and peg them as a bad group with bad management and then they broke up. Like how about we talk more about their last album cycle and tour as 4. Where their choreography was cohesive and their chemistry was always ON. The vocal distribution was extremely fair and no girl was trying to outshine one another. Also their best music to date.

[@soprano2087]

15:20 people tends to say that Lauren was pushed to be the start during the xfactor era because she always was in the middle, but doesn’t make senses to me because Camila overall had the most lines, Dinah was one of the judges favorites vocalist of the show, she always got the big moments and high notes in most performances.

[@brendan6555]

From my memory, they gave Dinah a ton of climax notes and ad-libs in the show but only at the VERY end of the songs while for the rest of the song she was crickets lol.

[@xorey34]

I honestly really think Lauren was supposed to be the face for fifth harmony. But I feel like the management decided to switch because Lauren didn’t fit the pop girly image they wanted for fifth harmony, so they went with Camila who had the voice and majority of fans back then. During X factor I think it was tied between the two, I’m pretty sure Simon wanted Lauren to be “lead” and I’m not sure but I think la Reid wanted Camila to be.

[@xorey34]

@@brendan6555 I think they gave those to Dinah to add embellishment to the song, “save the best for last” type of thing.

[@wlas4146]

@@xorey34 adding to that, I think Lauren was harder to control than Camila. She’s proven to be more loyal and very outspoken on the mistreatment, not only on herself but also the girls

[@xorey34]

@@wlas4146 it’s so crazy because those are my exact thoughts.

[@AM19925]

people are still so rude about normani imo and it even comes from her own fans. i've never seen somebody who was so sidelined in a group that their vocals were taken out and they got bullied by fans, to then immediately gain and maintain this much relevance off the back of a few singles with no album out. but there's always this group of vocal people in her fanbase saying she's not reaching her full potential and what she should do instead, when her album isn't even out to criticise yet. her name is bigger than anyone could have predicted considering her talents were not promoted in fifth harmony. she clearly doesn't need advice. whether she will surpass camila in fame is dependant on both their upcoming albums. normani might not get as big a hit as senorita etc, but there's a solid chance she will have the longer lasting/more consistent career.

[@popdissected4400]

Agreed 💯 The way she's been able to really curate her success on her own has been impressive! I don't know if Normani will ever get big songs akin to Camila's, but given that Normani has had consistent hits and maintained her relevance and Camila's recent songs haven't been all too well on the charts, I really think Normani has a shot to have that longer lasting and consistent career. I think Camila will always have a name and be one of the first people thought of when 5H is mentioned - just because she went solo first. That aside, in terms of numbers, I think Normani can definitely pull them in.

[@iosashes2087]

When were her vocals taken out?

[@kwadwothestan]

YES. She continues to be the most disrespected fifth harmony member and I stand by that. Granted, they all are disrespected as they are all very talented but their talents still aren’t appreciated as they should be. But the Normani think pieces and internet hate is so loud sometimes and it’s just annoying.

[@andyd3447]

They were an amazing group so much talent and their final album was beyond underrated.

[@popdissected4400]

Their last album def had the potential and deserved more, especially given where they were headed

[@christianlamar_]

Crazy how the two members of the group with the strongest voices were looked at as “others”.

[@valoriewriter]

Lauren is a different kind of soul entirely. She’s valuable for more than just her singing career, but her presence on earth and the way she speaks out. That is something she’ll always have that no one else does.

[@carolinem.6747]

one hundred percent! she's a real one, unlike many of the egotistical celeb vultures out there

[@faeriegraver]

I hope that it is Normani's decision to take her time with the album, and that she has a lot of support behind her from her management and label. She has a beautiful voice, is an amazing dancer, and a commanding stage presence, while still remaining likable, basically she has *The X Factor* (haha). I really want her to succeed. I was concerned when an album didn't materialise after "Motivation". I really would love to hear and see more from her.

[@IvyroseGullwhacker]

The way their management treated them sabotaged their chemistry, performance, and success. I think they're happier without 5H and without that horrible management.

[@GrizzlyPurpleBearKatie]

I don’t think they happier without 5H, but I guess you can say they were happy. To get out of there horrible, mistreated of those money hungry music industry.

[@popdissected4400]

While I can't say if they're happier - I'm sure they're _a lot_ better mentally, emotionally etc. now that they're out of an environment that seemed to hold so much pressure and toxicity.

[@richmaxmchalliwchester1984]

I think the main problem was label who treated them worse than trash, they didn't let them create their music and put tension between members. I see why their label focused on Camila, she was beautiful and sexy and had most distinctive and very pop/radio-friendly voice, even for fandom and general public she seemed to be favorite and most interesting one, they saw a chance to make another big pop star. They were pushing her further, gave her more lines, let her has collabs and make a fandom of her own while they didn't let other girls do the same, that made tension between all other members because they thought they had to fight for their position in a group and that tension you can see in interviews, performances and their harmonies. We can see all of them wanted to have more power over creating process and especially Camila was most ambitios and passionate about her vision about her music and image that she rather chose to go solo, she said she wanted to work on her solo album and stay in group and be part of creating process in a group and when they didn't let her do it she was sure to go solo a be a star on her own. After her departure they thought they lost their chance and didn't wanted to invest to 5H anymore and that led to their hiatus. Normani started well with collabs and stayed on screen whole time, in 2019 with Motivation she showed her potential and now are people ready for her and waiting for her next moves, Normani has big potential to became a big star. Ally, Lauren and Dinah waited too long and didn't stay relevant and also didn't had much support from their labels and managements that's why they don't have success that Mila and Mani have. Lauren seem to be not much interested to be this top40 hits pop star and is making music she loves, Ally seemed to want this kind of success but she didn't had song and enough promo to do it so she decided for being a spanish artist and make her own image and fandom of her own just as Lauren and with Dinah i really don't know, she seems to go absolute nowhere. About Camila like you said people now have her in minds like a meme rather than talented beautiful popstar like before. Her past with racism, being called for plagiarism but especially her famous relationship with Shawn Mendes kinda destroyed her image. I think their relationship kinda hurt both's careers, you can see decline in both of their careers. Shawn's Wonder album wasn't as successful as his previous work and Romance also showed decline from her debut era and Don't Go Yet - lead single from Camila's upcoming album Familia didn't become a hit even though it's very radio friendly and catchy song. I think Camila still can be successful but she definitely lost a lot, she could've been on of major pop girls on this decade and one of biggest female artists of this generation, her career is definitely not over and with collabs or on her own she'll still be able to be this top40 hit maker. I also don't think Camila is racist, at least now she's definitely not, she supported black community she was on black lives matter movement and you can see she wants to show public that she changed. She was young and stupid and i heard that there's a a lot racism in mexican community, i'm not sure if it's true i just heard it somewhere and if you keep that in mind you can't that much blame her because she was raised with that, important is she educate herself and isn't racist anymore. It's really sad to think what all of them could become if they had support they deserved because talent is there.

[@anditsunsweet]

I hope they come back at some point without Camila and with full creative control. They were really coming into their own as a group during the last era. I also feel that Camila, Lauren & Normani thrive a lot more as soloists as they are the most creative and unique whereas Ally & Dinah are at their best in a group situation as they are the most vocally gifted. They're never going to be remembered the way Destiny's Child and TLC are because they just had too many Beyonce's (not comparing anybody to Beyonce, I'm saying they had too many solo stars in one group). From the beginning I had a feeling it wasn't gonna work cas they just didn't look like a group. It was always 3 solo artists and 2 group members of odd heights and an odd distribution of individual looks trynna make fetch happen. Having said all that, one more era of the last line-up would be amazing. They had some great, underrated bops that era. Particularly the unreleased "Better With You" which, had it been a single, would've single-handedly saved pop music (you don't have to take my word for it - go listen to it).

[@popdissected4400]

Very well said. It's like, they were on the rise - Camila left, the label didn't seem to put in much effort and then they all went solo. We may never know, but if they had an album that was *fully* theirs creatively, they could have been a lot more succesful in terms of sales, charts and impact.

[@anditsunsweet]

@@popdissected4400 Couldn't agree more. It seems to me like the label just didn't believe in them without Camila which speaks volumes. I'm glad the other girls believed enough in themselves to leave an abusive situation and pursue their creative goals as individuals. More power to them.

[@GrizzlyPurpleBearKatie]

Me too, but I don’t think that’s going to happen for a long time.

[@anditsunsweet]

@@GrizzlyPurpleBearKatie Yeah 😔 If ever tbh.

[@iosashes2087]

It’s always sad how often Dinah’s talents get diminished when she’s musically the most creative out of all of them. She writes her own music, comes up with amazing melodies (Lonely Night for example), is the only one to play multiple instruments, and has always been the one to come up with the most complex and precise runs and note changes on a whim. The group’s best singer, the only member who was both a great singer and a great dancer, the only member besides Camila who could really connect with a crowd and command a stage, and yet she’s still the most forgotten, diminished, and disrespected out of all of them. It’s unbelievable…

[@lucasrodrigues9880]

That's why I don't get why people don't try to follow the Spice Girls Way, no Lead Singer, All Girls Have Spotlight and distinctive personalities that people can identify with. If more Girl groups did that, things would be VERY different.

[@soprano2087]

Another thing kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXbYgaxmqsmeepo in 1:32, they mentioned how they just got two days to learn the worth it choreography, which was used for the MV and the reflection summer tour. One of the major reason they have bad performances, because they never got the opportunity to prepare most of the time.

[@popdissected4400]

Interesting!! I can only imagine they lived under the pressure of go-go-go. With all members, they were touring non-stop, on TV, in the studio. I mean...that schedule must've been unbearable. This is some good insight, thank you!

[@tspopstar512]

I do remember Lauren having a big push in the beginning of 5th harmony and she sang the majority of the vocals too

[@ferjacob3814]

Yup but Lauren is not interesting to watch and that’s been her down fall as a solo artist. She could get the same opportunities as Normani and Camila if she tried her hardest.

[@cliffinkaemurd1320]

They weren't doing that well with her as the lead and that's why Camila became the lead and success came with that

[@amosmsdawngzuala2335]

This is the best FIFTH HARMONY analysis video ever, accurate and nutral... Thank you so much 🙏🏻

[@popdissected4400]

I appreciate that!!!

[@kwadwothestan]

I loved fifth harmony but I love their solo careers too! (Btw their unreleased tracks are fire!) But they seem much happier and in a better place mentally now. Normani is definitely my fav. Her solo music has all been so good and I’m ready for the new single and album! She is incredibly talented and we’ve only seen a small fraction of it. Wildside was a moment and will always be one of the best songs of 2021 and def the best music video of 2021. Lauren is also making great music. I was sad to see that her record deal with Columbia didn’t work out bc they wanted her to be a mainstream pop girl, but glad that she’s able to do things the way she wants independently. I really hope she blows up. I loved most of Ally’s solo music while she was with Atlantic Records. Unfortunately I’m not feeling her new music as much, although I really like her new single Por Ti. And Dinah’s solo music was SO UNDERRATED. I really hope she is able to get a new record deal and release more music bc I need more!

[@redeemedstone]

History will see that Dinah Jane was more than just, the other girl. She was compared to Beyonce while she was in the group and it wasn’t just the looks, LA Reid made the comparison since her xfactor audition. That was her biggest problem. She carried their tours in South America and Asia when Camila left. This girl also has an ear for tunes and has the best discography of the girls, even with no promo a lot of dance studios esp in Asia find her songs. Because her culture is about the group and family, she would always struggle the most going solo. Hope is that she finds some good solid people because LA Reid was 👎

[@chrishall6617]

Will you stop talking about split with beyonce now stop when go with old friend brine c, Clark pass him off again don't do that 2 him outside popcorn between booth two I will pray for him with her

[@chrishall6617]

@@Nellybellyjellynelly if say one more time about has split with beyonce brine c, Clark cures you out he did for her

[@Tarikkb]

The thing is , if you’re wondering what the mentality of the girls were go watch Lauren’s Zach sang interview she explains it amazingly

[@popdissected4400]

I'll have to check that out!

[@johnadams7145]

I remember I bought one of their original songs (Miss Movin On) on iTunes when I was 10; while it is sad they fell apart, they did have some good songs. I hope they succeed outside the group

[@popdissected4400]

Agreed 🙌 I also know I used to loooove that song when I was younger.

[@yazidboufous6541]

By the way, It was exposed that Lauren was offered first all the opportunities and the deals Camila got later, but Lauren declined and decided to stay loyal to the group. I personally loved the group, I think they have an amazing discography and they were definitely the biggest gg of the 10’s . If only ppl knew all the suffering that these girls had to go through as teenagers. My fave was and still is Dinah , that girl has definitely all what it takes to be a star. The vocals, the stage presence, dancing skills, the charisma… It’s sad to see all the unfortunate events she’s been through with her label and family, but I think she still has plenty of time and I am so excited to see what she has in store in the future.

[@chikahoshi]

Oh, is there a verifiable link you could send about Lauren being offered and then declined? I would like to know more about that.

[@popdissected4400]

I feel like I read something like that - I wish I had saved it, ugh! But that's very interesting to hear. It's very tragic what they went through under industry executives tbh. It's also great to know you love Dinah! It was wild; everywhere I turned online I kept seeing "Camila", "Lauren" and "Normani" being hyped up; Dinah and Ally kinda being sidelined. I'm glad the latter got support!

[@iosashes2087]

@@popdissected4400 the reason you see all this love for Camila, Normani, and Lauren is overall pretty simple, but to explain is a little complicated. Camila and Lauren were for the most part the main ones pushed in the group by the label/management, especially earlier on. The group’s initial marketing was geared towards younger white American/Latina girls who mostly identified and/or idolized Lauren and Camila because they looked the most like them or who they wanted to look/be like. At that time, Dinah, Normani, and Ally were all pushed to the background both professionally as well as by the fans. What changed for Normani is that starting with their first album, she began to get promoted more than Dinah and Ally, and then the incident where she was horrifically bullied racially in 2016 brought awareness to how she was pushed to the background. Dinah and Ally, while they both received apathy, hate, and exclusion from fans and industry alike for also being darker skinned (less “marketable”) members, the racism aspect never got quite as bad as it did with Normani to the point where attention had to be brought to it, which meant most of Dinah and Ally being mistreated and ignored went unnoticed and continues to be unnoticed despite the two of them being the best singers in the group by far. This is not to say Camila, Lauren, and Normani are not talented and don’t deserve appreciation. All of them are good singers and Camila’s charisma, Lauren’s activism, and Normani’s performing talents have rightfully endeared them to fans. But it’s important to acknowledge that Camila and Lauren were given an edge early on and that Normani both got more of a push a little later in the group than the other girls and she has garnered a lot of support based on not necessarily just herself, but what she represents. Dinah and Ally aren’t any less talented, creative, or interesting like some of these comments are claiming, Dinah especially. She was the group’s best singer, the only member who was both an excellent singer and dancer, the only member besides Camila who had the charisma to work a crowd, the most creative and precise when it came to changing melodies, runs, and adlibs. She, like Lauren, also writes her own music. Ally is also an incredible vocalist, has worked hard to improve her dancing, constantly keeps herself booked, and reinvented herself as a full Latin artist. Both of these girls are immensely talented. They just never got the powers that be to hype them up the way the other three did and that affects them to this day.

[@chikahoshi]

Just some general thoughts about 5H and their solo endeavors. It really wouldn’t surprise me if the other members did talked badly about Camila to each other behind Camila’s back (as just as Camila did herself.) When you have a group of young people put together in an industry where a bunch of adults are comparing them and (basically affecting their careers), that adds fuel to jealousy and negative tension to the group dynamics. I do think they did hurt each other and vice versa; I don’t ever think it’s as black and white as people make it out to be (whether it’s towards Camila or the others.) I don’t really know what to predict with Camila’s popularity. I do agree the third album is really going to make or break Camila’s career, especially with all the controversies she has been in, particularly her racist past. She hurt a lot of people, and I especially want to give big hugs to the black fans (or, well, were fans.) I do hope Camila understands she can’t expect to be forgiven by those she has hurt, and at this point, all she can do is just try to better herself regardless if people believe she’s changed for the better or not. At the end of the day, I view Camila as another fellow human with grey morality, and not a one dimensional annoying, attention hungry or egotistic person as some people make her out to be. With Normani, I do feel really bad for her and all the pressure she must be feeling, especially with her being as a black woman in this industry. I’ve seen how vocal some people are towards Normani, especially the ones who want to see Normani succeed but are also frustrated with the lack of momentum in her music career. On one hand, there is a privilege in having so many people who care enough about you to talk about you despite the little output as a “new artist,” and on the other hand, I can’t imagine how much pressure it must be to the face for black girls and women. I do feel like there is a truth that the album is pushed back because she wants it to be perfect, but I do think there are things going on behind the scenes that she can’t/don’t want to bring up, which adds to why I feel bad whenever fans are frustrated with the lack of music. Out of all the girls, I am most interested in seeing what Lauren has to put out artistically, but I admit that I struggle to genuinely like what she has put out so far. In general, it’s fine, but I find myself not actually going back to them despite purchasing some of the individual songs. I do find myself going back to While I’m Alive, though. But other than that, I don’t have much to say about Lauren despite seeing her potential. In general, I don’t hear a lot of buzz about her. Ally is the one member out of the group that I am genuinely glad I was wrong with my predictions. I did thought she wasn’t going to do well (in some ways that is true in terms of the US), and while she’s definitely nowhere near big as Camila, it’s nice to see she’s the most active in her career (excluding Camila, obviously.) Tbh, I find her English music to be rather generic albeit radio friendly, but I think Ally making music in Spanish is definitely the much better route to pursue. I think if Ally kept trying to stick with the US, I don’t think she would get much success as she could. Because despite her being the most active, I just…never see people demanding for more Ally like Normani does. I do still think she isn’t going to be a mega star, but at the very least, she’s making a name for herself and living out her dreams of being a singer. So while her music is not my thing, I’m really happy for her. And then there’s Dinah…who is the least active member. Normani gets a lot of criticism about lack of music or momentum, but Dinah has nearly been dead quiet about her music endeavors (I’m not an active follower, so if Dinah is actually indeed very active and vocal, then I am happy to be corrected about that.) Her social media is also very dead outside of her Instagram stories…It’s a shame because I find her to be the most vocally talented in the group, and I would have loved to hear inspired early 2000’s R&B music from her. But I’m sure she has her reasons.

[@fashionlover5195]

Love your breakdown of the girls! And I agree with what you said about C up to a point. I feel like the nice girl thing was an act tbh. There have been a few comments from random diff celebs about her not being the nicest. And considering they all don't know each other, I find it difficult to believe it's a coincidence they say similar things about her. Then add on everything else that has been exposed, and it's just a pattern. Shame, cause I used to like her. I'm rooting for the other girls! They all deserve success after being silenced for so long!

[@chikahoshi]

@@fashionlover5195 Thanks! :) I’ve been thinking a lot about them for a while now, so I do appreciate on being validated on them, lol. And ah, yeah, that is unfortunate about that. I do still see Camila with very grey lens though, but I understand why others view that way, which is very valid. I’m rooting for the others too!

[@xorey34]

We have the same thoughts, I honestly thought ally wasn’t gonna do well but girly is doing her thing. I am disappointed about Dinah though, I honestly thought she was gonna be releasing music out the ass but…. I think Normani has to get out of her head and just release the music lol. I am surprised by your Lauren comment though between her and Normani with ally on the rise, I honestly think Lauren has the best music but hey that’s just my taste.

[@chikahoshi]

@@xorey34 With Lauren, I don’t know how to exactly explain why I don’t find myself coming back to her music despite also finding her to be the most potential artistically. I do like what I hear, but maybe I need to give them more listens.

[@iosashes2087]

Dinah definitely has her reasons. She’s been losing multiple close family members left and right for the last year and a half and she’s spoken at length about the fact that she’s trying to grieve and also heal from a lot of unresolved childhood trauma at the same time.

[@taylipa]

normani deserved better treatment

[@popdissected4400]

facts

[@Sammy.H.Redwood]

It was their management and record label company that ruined them, Camilla was apart of their downfall as well with both fandoms started war. Against Camila stans and remain four, even now in 2022 they still continue it. Attacking one another.

[@jlew3275]

I don’t know why a lot of people keep saying they couldn’t harmonise together , because even though they got it wrong sometimes doesn’t mean they couldn’t .. they were all talented vocalist and when they got it right .. it was magical . I feel like the people that say they didn’t harmonise well together are the people that have only seen their sub par performances because the girls were fire 🔥 when they got it right .

[@popdissected4400]

Okay, this is a good point! I think those "bad" moments are the ones that go viral and can really overshadow the moments that are really good.

[@jlew3275]

@@popdissected4400 Exactly , When they performed “ Like I’m Gonna Loose You” They had to replace Meghan Trainor last minute because she cancelled and they didn’t even get to rehearse properly they killed it . And there are so many and I could go on but I think I’ve made my point .

[@elisdylan]

I was a huge fifth harmony fan back in the day and tbh the biggest reason they fell apart (which links to a lot of other issues you mentioned) is because they signed contracts as kids/young adults and were taken advantage of by the industry. Camila and Dinah were 17 when they recorded Worth It and it’s music video. They were extremely sexualised with little input of their own (Camila used to change the lyrics of Worth It because she felt uncomfortable with them) because their label got final say and the label got annoyed due to them not exploding, they just stopped caring

[@Itee520]

I'm rooting for Lauren and really hope she gets the success she deserves!!!! You can't deny that when she took over Camilas part in Work From Home she killed it

[@popdissected4400]

I loveee Lauren's music, very much a vibe

[@Ferroreo]

I think you are one of the few people who got this right. I agree with mostly everything you said. Never saw Camila as genuine, couldn't get into her music regardless of how talented she is. I love all other four girls, and they are all extremely talented, but haven't really managed to stay relevant. Lauren is a goddess, though. She has this sultry voice and attitude, I love her.

[@popdissected4400]

I appreciate that, thank you! I do agree, they're all talented and as long as they enjoy their art - that's what matters. I did watch a handful of the girls' videos and have to say Lauren's was by far my favorite in terms of stylings.

[@melonpeach9723]

Ally and Dinah (pronounced die-nah) are the most talented vocalists in the group and so it hurts to see them be the other girls. It hurts. I am upset that Camila has continued to get with everything after her racism scandal sparked. It’s exactly what Leigh-Anne said.

[@popdissected4400]

Thank you for the correction on pronunciation! And I agree about Camila. I think the industry is so bizarre. We have artists who can have a minor "controversy" and be cancelled, or ones who have gigantic scandals and remain famous. I think Camila is a money maker and labels are paying to keep her relevant. A lot of people don't like that take, but industry managers and higher-ups do pay for songs to be played, streamed, re-work contracts. It's all about the money.

[@dieggarciaf6469]

Everyone has been racist at one point so don’t act like an innocent, they are human too.

[@melonpeach9723]

@@dieggarciaf6469 ???? My parents taught me when I was 5 that you treat everybody the same no matter how they look , sound, or anything like that. Never would I ever talk to someone the way Camila did.

[@popdissected4400]

@@dieggarciaf6469 Um....this is really not IT. "Everybody has been racist"?! Really?!

[@ryanappleton3653]

I get the feeling that Normani could usurp Camila.

[@popdissected4400]

I think she's got it goingggg ONNNN ⚡ I'm excited to hear that album!

[@Tarikkb]

The industry just used them as piggy banks , they saw these girls as a product , they didn’t care how they were doing , they didn’t care how they were treating them , they just used them to make money , they put Camila in the front cuz she was the most “pop” sounding girl in the group , they didn’t care how to make this group work for these 5 girls , they just had a group idea and tried make these girls fit it , also people have to keep in mind that they were 5 strangers thrown into he middle of the music industry , an industry that’s already known for horrific things , and these girls didn’t knew how to deal with things , their parents weren’t in the business they didn’t know anyone who’s in the business , they were also 16-21 still teens , I’m SO glad they’re happier

[@popdissected4400]

Yes, very well said! When you're that young, and 15 - 21 is still _young_ might I add, the idea of fame is so incredible and I think the industry blatantly takes advantage of people who don't know any better and it's pretty sad. Since they're the "experts", they're able to really make their artists (or '"product") believe what they tell them.

[@Tarikkb]

@@popdissected4400 yes , and when they were in such a dark place in 2016 they were still teens trying to cope with this industry with no one to show them the right way , they didn’t know how to deal with it individually way let alone as a group

[@ellanicheallaigh908]

I think if you were a *stan* like I was, there was chemistry that we saw in a lot of their tour diaries and insta and snap stories. But that stuff never reached the general public and it disappeared on stage, probably because they were just 5 solo artists

[@NASCARFAN93100]

Fifth Harmony will forever be one of the greatest girl groups in history but the reason why they fell apart is because their management was as toxic as Ex-NASCAR CEO Brian France and Teresa Earnhardt aka The Wicked Witch of The South

[@moonwavemusick]

imagine if it was just Lauren Dinah and Normani (with better management) ugh one can only dream 😪 also their last album was so good idk what y’all are talking about 🤨

[@pedrobiondini]

THANK GOD IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE EVER

[@popdissected4400]

Bahahah, I hope you enjoyed it!

[@c_louie670]

About the songwriting similar thing happened to one direction at the beginning, they hired songwriters and producers to make the first album. They explained in their book that the environment was really intemidating and they told them what to sing and how to sing. One of the songwriter was angry that for the second album Louis and Liam, especially Louis speak out to be involved in the songwriting process which was so important because after this they started to be more involved in their albums. I think syco and Simon Cowell just want to find people that will make him gain money without caring about what the artist needs professionally and mentally, they exploit them and have control of their image and social media. Lauren is now an independent artist so she has less promo and her genre of music is not that popular but her voice is unique, Normani has so much potential but has waited so long for her album so she loses relevance as time goes by, I hope Dinah share more music, I think the new album of Ally is a good move as well, for Camila I wish she did more songs like Havana. Great video.

[@popdissected4400]

Syco and Simon Cowell....whew. I had a lot to say about them that I ended up cutting out. I could only find speculation on him when it comes to crafting all these groups, but I believe you hit the nail on the head. It's playing two sides in my opinion; working for the industry and having a very shallow care for the people he tries to make stars but wants to present it as if he does. I don't know if that's _the_ ultimate truth, but history has shown this to some extent.

[@c_louie670]

@@popdissected4400 I agree he acts like this father figure on TV when behind the scenes is horrible and Lauren and Liam have speak about how they were so overworked. They don't give breaks to the artist Harry in a interview said that he was surprised you can just tour without doing an album on tour or viceversa, after a concert of two hours sometimes they have to go to record the album, imagine how their voices were forced and on the day they have to do some interviews for more promo while they have a concert the same day. I think Simon and Syco see artists as machines and brands and not as human beings with needs. There is a video call something like contract of Britain's Got Talent. A show that Simon created, I think what that contract says have similar things of what artists like Fifth Harmony, 1D and Little mix sign with Syco I really recommend the video if you haven't watched. Thanks for the video it was awesome I'm glad I found your channel.

[@amystout7772]

honestly, i don’t really like camila. she was blatantly racist and egotistical. as you said, it seemed like she was just using fifth harmony as a launchpad for her solo career. i know she’s not fully to blame, and i do think she is trying her best to become a better person, but i really don’t think she can just be forgiven and be excused for her behavior. i used to love the group, my issue, and one of the key issues stated in this video, was that it felt like they were all completely different artists who were just meshed together for the sake of a girl group.

[@popdissected4400]

For Camila; we only know what we see, hear and what is suggested. I don't know her personally so I can't _truly_ speak on her character. Her postings were indeed harmful and just plain cruel. Whether or not she feels remorse or was covering herself - I couldn't say. All I hope for her is that she sincerely learned something, especially given she took Racial Healing Sessions. I don't know what all those entail, but I can only hope she took them seriously and is bettering herself and outlook. I didn't necessarily care for her to begin with but after all that, she's not on my radar one bit.

[@amystout7772]

@@popdissected4400 i completely agree with you! i apologize if i came off like i know everything about her and have insight- i clearly don’t, nor do i think i do haha 😂 though i don’t think she can be excused, i do think people deserve second chances and i loved this video :)

[@popdissected4400]

@@amystout7772 I also believe people should be afforded an opportunity to learn and grow. Of course, everything is dependent upon the situation - and it's up to each their own if they forgive someone, y'know? I know for me, her lazy apology really just makes me roll my eyes, given how damaging what she said was. You also don't need to apologize - you're all good! Thank you for watching 💕 😊

[@BiggSanii777]

I don’t think we will know until they all actually release albums I have faith that they will all make noise when the time comes

[@xorey34]

I really think in the beginning they wanted the group to work out, It was the 7/27 era that there was a big switch a bunch of fans noticed it, the chemistry was off with everyone as a whole. Honestly, I personally think the girls could harmonize like we saw them do it, it think it was Camila who just sometimes did too much. Also, I think that the music fifth harmony was releasing (bops all of em) but they should’ve focused on an R&B type of sound more when 4/5 girls can sing the genre and only one can’t I think they girls would have shined better that way.

[@AllyF1]

like lauren has said they were all so so young. management and higher powers controlled everything they did.

[@DinoTechTurboCharge]

No doubt about that.

[@popdissected4400]

When you think about it, it's honestly disturbing how grown adults can have the ability and feel entitled enough to take control over young girls, who were literally minors at the time of the groups inception.

[@erwanmusic2191]

Guys there is something else I wanted to address it’s quiet important and even a bit scary to hear . Some speculations in the allygiance that ally may have warned us a lot but people didn’t follow what she said . From all the girls she was the only one literally writing a book about fifth harmony’s journey and mistreatment! She was the one talking on her podcast for a whole hour or two about the experience and even got her video taken down then she bossed up and got it again on her channel ) fishy and weird . Normani who had racism didn’t write a book , none of the other girls did . Why only ally ? Flash back to 5 h days remember how twice repeatedly only ally got attacked by weird and odd fans and people barely moved to save her only when she fell including the airport incident . For someone they consider underrated in 5 h kinda fishy . I think people are wrong for sleeping on her . She knows things more than the others . To have no album And be at the miss universe you need to have a hell of a team with you NASCAR’s etc gma.. to win an Emmy and having none of the harmonisers talking about it another fishy thing . I think she s a threat to the other girls and the old team . I think she’s more powerful than we all thought . I work with radios and know the business sis is quiet powerful I can tell you . She doesn’t want to collab a lot with famous people cuz she’s wants to create a lane and a name on her own something I respect . I just had an epiphany last month while listening to her music and thinking about her solo career she’s a queen of subliminal messages . Notice her first official single low key people would think she’s talking about a guy no ! Low key low key you should really get know my story , but then lips don’t lie .. it’s not a cheater she’s talking about she singing about how they can’t lie to her she sees through their lies , higher is her message to her people that she’s aiming for the sky , for a new destiny in her career and life , meanwhile she perfected her dance skills on dwts and released no good , that her past and her career with 5 h the people there were not good for her ! Her other songs might have deeper meanings as well but the Spanish album is even more loaded with subliminals , Mi musica at the beginning it’s like a death and a rebirth the por ti music is even more interesting and cinematic . So the comments saying she should host or be broadway singer are you all serious ?she’s thriving . One last thing the other girls talked about each others hard times in 5 h but they never mentionned ally’s success or book ? Emmy .. nothing especially her book where she talked about some of the girls . I don’t know weird even Ally’s shape has changed In a good way of course but it’s like she was in a. Trance in 5 h and now a new sophisticated one she’s skinny her facial features so many things changed anyway . I do like Normani too but that’s all the rest aren’t that good in my opinion

[@popmusiclover1000]

I think they're all so talented and beautiful and it's a shame that it seems their label was only interested in Camila's success. I understand the music industry is a business and labels are basically investors just looking to make money, but some of these heads at these companies need to understand that they are people too not just a product. I think it's great that there's been so many changes in the music industry lately however there's still a lot more work to be done. To be honest after hearing everything Ally said I am a bit shocked that throughout the 2010s there were still men at the label treating women like they did and it is completely unacceptable and horrible. I love their music and think they are all wonderful ladies and I don't think it's completely Camila's fault. The label is responsible for this fallout. They were probably people telling Camilla thinks like you're "gonna make us so much money and be a star" and stuff along the lines of that so it's only inevitable that tension would begin to happen. I'm not saying Camila's comments were right but she's not completely at fault in my opinion.

[@popdissected4400]

I agree! I really do think this label used Fifth Harmony as a cash cow and once they saw the potential in Camila, nothing else mattered. Men in the entertainment industry treat women terribly. If you've heard of Harvey Weinstein, his blatant abuse was an open secret in the film industry so it makes me wonder what executives in music are known for their behavior and still get to keep their careers. I didn't initially consider that the label likely did a really good job in pushing Camila to leave Fifth Harmony, and I think I didn't take the best approach into thinking that way, more so I allowed myself to think Camila had the ultimate say - but who knows.

[@Terry_Bell]

Imo FH was one of the worst girl groups ever, they had no chemistry, no branding, no message, no distintive sound or image, all their songs sounded like chart chasers of whatever was hot at the time and on top of it they had Kkkamilla Kkkabello as a member. They should have been soloists but is not their fault it's the X factor's (Simon Cowell's) for putting them in a group that favored the most racist and fake member.

[@ferjacob3814]

All of them should’ve had a different manager not a group management. Camila did what Nicole Scherzinger did; she had her own team looking for her best interest within the group. None of them could do artist collaborations which is crazy. Except for Camila.

[@madonnacollectibles]

I think you should do a dissection of girl group life spans.

[@popdissected4400]

Oooh that could be interesting!

[@juliesummers5145]

I had been following Fifth Harmony since their X-Factor days, and I have some thoughts (sorry, long comment): 1) Lauren was definitely pushed more in the beginning. If you go back to their old covers (approximately first half of X-Factor), Lauren was always given the best parts. This changed because the fans started latching onto Camila since she was relatable with her One Direction/Taylor Swift obsession and goofy humor. Also, once they started to release their original music, Camila's voice is really distinctive, and they needed that for branding. 2) The reason, I think 5H ultimately fell apart was because of their lack of control. Camila had said in multiple interviews that she wanted to write her own music in 5H but wasn't allowed to. I'm sure she wasn't the only one who felt this way. If they all wrote stuff and got to decide their own parts, there probably wouldn't be as much animosity. When they were younger, they wouldn't even let all the girls' parents go on tour with them, which is INSANE. They were minors!!! 3) During the 1989 era, Taylor and Camila were friends, but all of them performed at the Santa Clara stop. They ALL got to spend time with Taylor, but Taylor is known to befriend singers who used to be fans, and since Camila was the most vocal about being her fan, it makes sense why Camila was the closet to Taylor. In fact, Camila had started her solo collaborations because she met up with Shawn Mendes backstage on one of the 1989 tour stops, and they wrote her first song together. 4) Camila had stated that she had to give up multiple opportunities because of 5H's cycle, including being on Closer (which eventually was released by Halsey with the Chainsmokers). 5) Of course all five of them wanted to be solo artists! They all auditioned to be soloists to begin with! And for that reason, I don't think their label believed in their shelf life and exploited them to the nines while they were still marketable. I personally don't believe that they could have gotten bigger than Worth It and Work From Home because there's only so far they could go when they were marketed as sexy and catchy. For longevity, you need to have substance. Also, misogyny plays a factor. 1D only lasted five albums because the pop boys in the industry are allowed to coast. (And they also only lasted one album after Zayn left. So did Little Mix. And I would argue that neither Zayn nor Jesy were the stars of their group.) 6) I'm not about to turn this comment into a defense of Camila because some of the things she said in 5H and I'm sure some of the things she did (whether we heard about them or not) was not okay. But I will say that I don't think her relationship with Shawn was purely PR, given their history. Maybe it was used for PR, but they have a true relationship that goes back to when they started at 15/16. I also don't think that Camila is the most successful because she left first. I think she's further along in finding her voice than the other members. I think Normani still is trying to play the pop girl game. Motivation was her Crying in the Club, trying to guarantee her a hit that just didn't stick. I'm glad Normani's taking time on her debut. I hope that she becomes confident in what she wants to create. I hope the same for Lauren as well. I don't think Dinah and Ally are really writers, and I don't think that'll get you far in the pop game anymore. 7) Lastly, this was a girl group with all POC. Let's not partake in the oppression Olympics. They were taken such advantage of because their parents didn't and couldn't know how to fight for them. I'm just glad they got out and still have their love of music and performing intact.

[@iosashes2087]

Dinah writes all her music…

[@mutungiedmund2355]

Best American girl group

[@raresg9637]

I just feel like the reason why Camila & Normani are the most successful because of them have found their own sound, Camila going through the Latin-inspired music and Normani found herself in R&B. Dinah & Ally are still finding their own sounds cuz what they have been releasing can be done by any artist, it doesn't feel so authentic to them in my opinion, Lauren found her sound in my opinion but since she is releasing music without a label it's kinda hard to be so successful.

[@popdissected4400]

I like this take, and I bet this is a big factor! Totally overlooked this!

[@iosashes2087]

I have to disagree. People do not factor the business side of the industry in enough in their assessments. Camila and Normani have been the most successful because their parents are actively involved in their careers and have helped guide them to make the best career and business choices especially in terms of who they have on their team. Their managers Roger Gold and Brandon Silverstein both have a good amount of connections and/or pull in the industry and their companies have the resources to really promote their clients. They also capitalized on the noise they both made from their solo endeavors while in the group. Lauren, Dinah, and Ally have had to navigate their solo careers by themselves. Musically speaking, Ally has been committed to Latin dance pop for the last 3 years and Dinah is the full-fledged R&B artist out of 5H, not Normani. Normani is more of a pop/R&B fusion artist. Dinah’s discography is very cohesive and well done and while Ally’s music isn’t my personal taste, she has absolutely found the sound she wants. So idk where all that came from about Dinah and Ally not finding their sound.

[@stxrboymarco]

camila shouldn’t be hated as much as she is because all the girls have said how traumatic the group was and lauren explained the reason why fans and the general public thought they hated each other/camila was because of the people in power making it seem that way. camila left the group and did them a favor. about the racism, half of it is proven fake. she DID defend normani against her own fans and spoke about her tumblr 3 separate times in different years. the other girls also had problematic things with normani being racist and xenophobic to asians and arabs and lauren’s comments on vaccines and health care. using the past of an adult against them when they were a child is extremely hurtful and nonproductive which is why people should stop crucifying camila when she’s also a woman of color. you don’t see fans treating white males the same way even tho they’ve done worst things as ADULTS.

[@kingneptune-z4q]

Even though their last album kinda flopped, I liked it the most without camilla on there. The songs were way better imo.

[@jestiny]

Definitely their best album tied with Reflection

[@jjjjj127]

i also think the video of camilla and shawn waddling down the street at the beginning of the panini gave the general public the ick

[@popdissected4400]

Don't remind me....😅 I forgot that existed haha

[@MJela]

The thing with 5h is that except wfh they didn't have any major success outside USA whether it be touring, sales or charts compared to LM who weren't big in USA but did great in Australia, LATAM, Europe, decent even in Africa and Asia despite kpop and are pop royalty in their home country UK.

[@popdissected4400]

While Little Mix did have a pretty wide appeal, 5H also had it but not to the same extent - if we're talking about charts. Little Mix is still going _really_ strong in the UK, which is awesome to see.

[@gregorygray5768]

I feel like Normani is a triple threat but she lacks consistency she waits so long to drop music and she barely interacts with her fans and yes I understand what she’s been through but having some sort of social media will help her out and Lauren has potential she makes good moody R&B songs and has a distinctive but she’s independent so she doesn’t have that machine backing her and the other girls are ok Dinah has a nice voice and could be a R&B girl but no music and machine 😬

[@popdissected4400]

Yeah, the consistency with Normani is a good point. I would be curious to know what is really going on within her label, because it's not really just the artist themselves who neglect a consistent rollout. Could be some management issues or she truly does want to take her time!

[@wahidishrar96]

Normani is the it girl. Camila has her chart success and massive radio hits but Normani is the one with staying power. All the legends love Mani-- Bey, Rih, Miss Jackson, and countless other behemoths of R&B and Pop Music have cosigned Normani's talent and work ethic. The fact that Wild Side is STILL in the charts and regularly climbing (and falling and climbing again) proves that everyone is WAITING on her. And I'm really glad she's taking her time, perfecting her craft. The debut era will be a massive eat.

[@sammysweet4154]

I know this is unrelated but I'd love to hear ur take on One Direction as well

[@popdissected4400]

Ooooh 👀 That could be so interesting

[@GrizzlyPurpleBearKatie]

You already know why they fell apart, because their management ruined them. What else to explain.

[@popdissected4400]

Oh but if it were only that simple...

[@DinoTechTurboCharge]

Definitely the people in music business, totally fuck them over. When they make Camila do her first solo song with Shawn Mendes, while she was still in the group that when the real shit. Started felling apart, just as Fifth Harmony starting to hit the mainstream. Then Camila departed in the band in the end of 2016..

[@beeze590]

I seen it since Britney Spears shaded them on x factor tbh 😅

[@isaacc.c.5507]

I feel like the reason why they fell apart was the lack of freedom when it comes to create, whenever it comes to lyrcis, music, etc. also the preference with Camila was so visible, and the other girls couldn´t do anything because the don´t have a word. Camila´s racism which not all of the leaked racist posts are real (like the facebook post, from what i know a Normani stan did them, the tumblr posts are real which is still bad) ruined her image, but the group had protected Camila in some way, because those images weren´t seen while she was in the group. Overall i think Camila is going nowhere, like it or not, shes gonna stay and still has a big fanbase and support from some of the GP, even if her image is not fully clean. Normani is a rising superstar, i think she could be one of the main pop girls but lacks consistency which troubles her growth in the industry and being a big name in music, atp people are getting tired. (And at this point i don´t think its her label holding her back). Ally surprinsigly could be a big latin artist, she need to do mad promo to be recognized in latin america and then eventually reach the US GP. Lauren feels like a R&B underground artist like Tinashe, which can be good if she´s ok with it, even though she has a huge fanbase in latam, i don´t think she want to persue being a main pop girl, shes just enjoying the moment. As for Dinah, i think she could dominate R&B, in my opinion her voice is maybe the best of 5H, and her songs give R&B from the 2000, the problem is that she needs to be pushed, she need promo and put out stuff, but her label is holding her, LA´s label is not doing her any good. In the end, even tho i´m a big fan of 5H as a group and as solist, the group didn´t felt like a group, they were made to be one but we all know that they wanted to be solist, their label was crap, same with the other groups from Epic Records like LM or 1D, but the difference is that LM felt geniune

[@fannyphlapps]

Truly, I believe that the obvious favoritism towards Camila Cabello affected the other girls' chances at success. Normani, Lauren, Ally and Dinah Jane are all gifted singers and I've enjoyed their solo work. For me, I try to look at who each girl is artistically based on their solo work. I think Lauren, Ally and Dinah Jane are all independent now due to constant label conflicts and delays. I think that although their fanbases are significantly smaller than that of Camila's or 5H as a whole, they appreciate the genuine love they receive because FOR ONCE, all eyes are on them. I support all 5 girls and enjoy their music and wish them all happiness and success

[@DinoTechTurboCharge]

Camila was more an money maker then anything else, but Lauren, Ally, Normani and Dinah deserves better.

[@popdissected4400]

Very well said!! 🙌 Totally agree

[@DinoTechTurboCharge]

@@popdissected4400 Thank you👍🏻

[@whithouston6000]

This is exactly why Camila leaving the group and never going back for a reunion of any sorts is good. From the moment those girls performed impossible on xfactor and Camila stood out got the most attention it was already a problem. And that was their first performance ever. Camila became friends with Taylor because during the mtv awards she got out of her seat and went over to Taylor and introduce herself. All 5 girls were there all 5 girls had the opportunity and ability. It wasn’t no plot. There is this constant need to blame…put down etc when it comes to her. But here is the fact NOBODY that has worked with her from producers, directors, dancers, makeup artist etc has had anything but nice things to say about how wonderful she is. If someone is as awful as some off y’all try to make her believe you me it would be known. Look at Lea Michele. These are the people that see artist during good and bad times ..for hours and days and one thing that is consistent is how wonderful and kind she is. So it makes me think that a lot of these opinions are formed online through social media by people who don’t like her but never spent a day in their lives near this girl

[@rupertprice2368]

i manifested fifth harmonies downward spiral. i spent all night praying to the christian, muslim and jewish god BEGGING for fifth harmonies failure. why? because camilla cabello will NEVER be famous and normani deserves to have her own stage

[@hulk395]

No, all of the girls are great and you want them all to succeed. Jason Derulo! Baby oh oh, you're just a little loco! Like boats in Acapulco, you're just riding the wave! And baby oh oh, you're just a little loco! Your emotions like a yo-yo, but you love being that way!

[@popdissected4400]

what is this.

[@rupertprice2368]

@@popdissected4400 a threat.

[@rupertprice2368]

@@hulk395 The only thing the girls are great at is queefing.

[@TheAshleyhodgson]

I like camila but i think she’s a really boring pop star. As a black fan I don’t think it’s fair to “cancel” her for the reblogged tumble posts because it was a staple at that time to make jokes like that. I had friends at the time who made me extremely uncomfortable with some of the things they would joke about pertaining to blackness. Those same people are much better and have since apologized and become activists for many causes including for black people. Children suck and so do teenagers. I do wish her apology was better though it shouldn’t have been done as an IG story. I appreciate that she doesn’t hide from it because every time something has resurfaced from her she has spoken about it in some way. I see that she has tried to educate herself and has taken racial sensitivity classes which i think most people could benefit from. but people wanna use that against her, she’s damned if she does and she’s damned if she doesn’t. If you want to support her then do so, if you feel like you can’t forgive her that’s also your prerogative but i don’t think its right to forever use things she did when she was 13-15 yrs old agains her forever.

[@popdissected4400]

This is a very eye-opening perspective. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this! While I think I did allow myself to use that situation to prolong any disdain against her, I was trying to more so observe how her attitudes and choices she made affected the other girls in 5H at the time and after the disbandment of their group. Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@quinmarkus-pawliuk8150]

I think they fell apart cause of Camilla’s RACISM

[@popdissected4400]

Def one of the major reasons...

[@hulk395]

She isn't racist and they're all great friends. What's small turned to a friendship, a friendship turned to a bond! And that bond will never be broken, that love'll never get lost!

[@quinmarkus-pawliuk8150]

@@hulk395 ummm No they all hated Camilla and she is hella racist just look at the material

[@hulk395]

@@quinmarkus-pawliuk8150 No, they're all friends and she's not racist. You're slipping into the lava! You're tryna keep from going under! 'Cause they turn the temperature hotter! You're burnin' up, burnin' up for them, baby!

[@quinmarkus-pawliuk8150]

@@hulk395 ummmm moving on

[@allanmhanson]

Because they never were a group… they were 5 solo singers working together :/ And where mismanaged as hell.

[@fashionlover5195]

Loved this video!

[@popdissected4400]

Thankkkkk you!!!

[@zaebennet.]

Ik it was over when the only had an overseas leg of the psa tour cause USA tickets weren’t selling really love & miss my girls tho ❤️

[@AKLabs-xl4re]

They don’t have harmony and they are not exerting effort to work as a group. Even on their fashion choices as a group, they are not united and on their song parts, there’s always someone who have a larger portion. They don’t have a signature branding. They’re a mess as a group and it can be blamed both for their mgt and to them.

[@popdissected4400]

The signature branding is one of the _key_ things for me. Many artists have an established "image", whether it be overall or per album cycle. That is just one of those things that I think is a key factor of maintaining success.

[@choloyolo8522]

I just want to say you’re amazing ✨🙌🏼✨

[@rupertprice2368]

hes mine.

[@choloyolo8522]

@@rupertprice2368 Lol I just said he’s amazing I never said I wanted to get into his pants hahaha

[@popdissected4400]

Thank you!!

[@popdissected4400]

@@rupertprice2368 WHAT 😭 lmaooo!

[@blogsanjay1031]

Camila needs to address that racism thing head on and let the full truth out,, cause ya'll go overboard with it and try to destroy her

[@popdissected4400]

I think she made a very lazy attempt to apologize, so it's not a wonder why people are still angry in my opinion.

[@TheAshleyhodgson]

@@popdissected4400 i wish she would just come out and say which things she said directly and apologize for it. acknowledge what she’s done and clear her name for what she hasn’t. she will never be seen as not racist because she hasn’t ever stated what is true and what is not and explained how she’s changed. it’s really sad cus i wanna be a bigger fan but i can’t bring myself to because she won’t just address it properly and let it be done

[@silentreader77]

I read somewhere that there was a plan to add new members after Camila left, but the remaining members didn't want that, so Epic kind of limiting the promotional effort for the third album

[@deedeemaclnnis1024]

According to Ally, yes. But whether if they were really going to a new member, or it just talks or just a thought.

[@ferjacob3814]

I think it was either Becky G or Dua Lipa. Ally talked about it in her book. But didn’t say names.

[@stxrboymarco]

the camila screenshots and information were so off. that had been proven fake bc she went by her birth name karla on facebook. the tumblr posts were what she apologized for which included a lot of racist memes although people overlook she always reblogged activism as well which leads me to think she was simply ignorant and not racist

[@bigtyme73]

Here’s my opinion, and you’re talking to a true harmonizer here lol. After doing a lot of research because of how big of a fan I was a fifth Harmony The lack of respect dis treatment from the label was to all of the girls. Although Camila may be more successful than the other four at the moment from what I’ve learned from my research is that certain things that were said about her came from label executives. It stated that Camila was told multiple times from the manager that she hired and her label that “any publicity is good Publicity” into a new artist who was very young at the time they can sometimes be naïve. For me, from the very beginning Camila caught my eye not because she was made out to be the star of the group but because I found her the most unique vocally and I personally like her voice. (Note I said most unique not most talented vocally.) For me I feel like the label did Ally and Dina Jane wrong the most. For me Dina and Ally have two of the best voices in the group. Although, my personal opinion is that they’re not the most marketable which is why success has leaned more towards Normani and Camila. I think Dinah Jane would be amazing at soulful music and currently more into an R&B route and become an artist such as Ciara. I think Ally Brooke is oh amazing Latin artist. Her debut solo single low-key I felt like it was just an attempt from her label to shoehorn her into main stream pop when I think she would do amazing in Latin music such as artists like Becky G. Normani is on her way to being one of R&B‘s main girls, because of her amazing soulful and smooth voice along with her incredible dance ability. Lauren, in my opinion feels more like a underground artist that once you discover her music you’re obsessed with. And I kind of feel like that’s what she wants to be. And if she’s OK with that, by all means if you’re a true fan of her you should support her. Camila, I feel that no matter what controversy she gets into. No matter if her music is topping the charts or not so always receive Praise and opportunities, sometimes I feel undeserved because of past behavior. As much as I loved and still love fifth harmony it was apparent to every true harmonizer that you can tell that at times fifth harmony wasn’t always cohesive.

[@popdissected4400]

I loveee these in depth thoughts, and from a fan as well! I saw a lot of these thoughts strewn across some messages boards I was browsing while making this video. I didn't know about what Camila was told about publicity. Definitely when you're that young, that can warp your thinking.

[@bigtyme73]

@@popdissected4400 right, and I know this is kind of cliché to say but I almost feel like Camilla was a little bit of an Industry Plant. It’s almost like the formula was she’s in a girl band, make her the star, give her more solo opportunities than the other girls, get her mixed up in controversy so she’ll be more known, she’ll leave the group in a messy way, date another popular celebrity, and boom the label has a successful artist that you love to hate and hate to love

[@popdissected4400]

@@bigtyme73 Ooh that's a very interesting take! Looking at it like that...I can see how that idea really does fit the bill.

[@nonzerx2428]

Like the reason why Fifth Harmony fell apart is because of Camilla. 2016 is there big year and by the end of the 2016 year Camilla left. They tried to catch up the success with Down but failed that’s why they went on a hiatus and fell apart in 2018.

[@popdissected4400]

While I do believe Camila was a major reason for it, I can't say she was entirely the reason.

[@marybalogun6363]

I don’t think any member of the group deserved hate, especially Normani, but I’d like to clarify that these so called “leaks” are fake, it’s been confirmed for years on twitter. The only thing she apologized for was her old tumblr with shitty posts she reposted. That’s it. I don’t like how male artists can do worse from what she did (JB, look it up) and get away with it. I’m not saying she changed or didn’t change. Everyone can literally change and that’s coming from a blk woman. Another thing is camila got death threats and hatred for leaving the group. Ppl leave groups all the time. I don’t like this narrative that she’s the worst person alive when others have done worse and gotten away with it. But I’m happy for the success Camila, Normani, and the others have. I think they were all meant to be solo, not just Camila.

[@taylipa]

why isnt kkkmila cancelled?

[@popdissected4400]

💀 oh wow

[@taylipa]

@@popdissected4400 she is racist

[@hulk395]

@@taylipa No. (Derulo.) Ooh, it's three in the morning! When you want her, you phone her! One word in Español, babe! And she comes and you know!