Why Fines From Yellow Box Junction Cameras Are Unethical

[@Emmnoyhl]

1:54 well Mr Driver instructor can't think any reason to do that hard breaking for recording purposes when you are tailgating and clearly everyone else behind you tailgating. Simply let the vehicle in front go as far as possible by smooth acceleration (rolling) up to the line rather you hard accelerate and braking nearly to a stop without stop sign for checking. Keeping proper safe distance from the onward vehicle apart all other benefits gives you perfect view in front of it especially on bends like that point you've make that huge error.

[@Being_Jeff]

Yes I thought that as well, that's the only way you can know for sure before you enter the box is that you have the distance of the box plus your vehicle length away from the vehicle you are following before you even reach the box. But people seem to love to drive to close to the vehicle in front 4 metres or even less.

[@ConquerDriving]

First: I wasn't tailgating Second: I didn't brake harshly. Third: you can see I held back on the shorter box junction before as an example. Fourth: this box junction is very long and you need to get to it to see where the end is, therefore you don't know how much to hold back until you're there. Fifth: holding back on long box junctions for the car in front to clear in flowing traffic will mean only one vehicle can pass the junction at a time causing significantly worse traffic. But more traffic is actually what many councils want to try and discourage car use and promote walking/cycling, but that's a video for another time.

[@PabitraPadhy]

I would handle it cautiously. Also if I'm taking a driving test in that area, I would do two things: - I will keep small commentaries between me and the driving examiner to let them know it's not hesitation. - I'll not accelerate and brake the last moment, but do a steady lookout. Doing this will keep the driver at your end trust you and your examiner will understand your decision, rather than assuming you made a grave mistake. On hindsight, who made that shit of a yellow box? They should be charged and bound to pay to the public who were fined earlier.

[@Ben31337l]

@@ConquerDriving It's all about anticipation mate. You not only need to be looking at the car in front, but also 2 or 3 cars in front of the car in front, see what they're doing. Just looking at the car in front leads to unexpected driving styles and habits such as what you demonstrated there, the white car in front of you was accelerating and didn't show signs of stopping (it would have been evident if its brake lights were showing), there's a high probability that you could have kept pace with the white car without violating the yellow box junction rules.

[@Hirotoro4692]

@@Ben31337l did you not watch the video? He quite CLEARLY explained that the reason he stopped there was to demonstrate what happens if you follow the rules of the road to the Nth degree, and that he would NOT normally handle the junction like that. It's almost like you didn't watch the video. The whole purpose of it was to say that it's unethical for them to strictly enforce box junctions.

[@bjthedjdutchdude1992]

In the Netherlands, lots of traffic lights can sense if the exit is full. When that happens the traffic lights go to red and stay red until the exit is clear. Its better than having yellow boxes with fines.

[@ahdhudbbh]

That also exists in the UK where needed.

[@dalriada842]

Not from the perspective of politicians planning extortion.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

What an excellent system

[@ben.taylor]

Dutch traffic management is actually done by people with common sense unlike in the UK

[@JohnHipkin-yr6wr]

Unfortunately our country like to punish you by giving out fines to make them rich just a money making scheme

[@ThatGuyXX7]

That bridge yellow box is diabolical.

[@supersuede91]

Whoever authorised that box and collected fines is committing a Crime against Humanity. There should be laws holding road designers responsible for things like this.

[@Danceup-dh6kn]

The authorities know that it's sometimes unavoidable to stop in a box junction. So they exploit drivers to make a little extra money.

[@woocash80]

You can especially see this during Xmas period when councils try to make more money and often paint secondary lines next to a single yellow to be able to give more tickets. Shit boils my blood

[@automation7295]

@@woocash80 If that makes your blood boil, when you must visit a doctor.

[@automation7295]

@@woocash80 It's funny how people say "boils my blood" as if their body is literally at 100℃. You can cook eggs in there.

[@PabitraPadhy]

@@automation7295 Like you can get a GP appointment in this shit of a country.

[@royterry8927]

a little

[@adamek9750]

sometimes you can hardly see the yellow box too

[@as37g10]

Especially when it's dark / rainy

[@rogerkearns8094]

@@as37g10 [and adamek] Both of you: cateract surgery might be due, it helped me.

[@jamesknightreading]

@@as37g10 Some in Reading are so worn, it's a job to know if they are still in force. :)

[@jdb47games]

That can be grounds for a successful appeal.

[@CharlesStawell]

that would be an impropriety and solid grounds for appeal - part of the budget for upkeeping the cameras should be upkeeping the yellow paint on the yellow box - not point the council paying for one and not the other if everyone appealed when this happens.

[@cerumen]

To the gentleman who commented “Sounds like some Europe crap” 1. Yes, it is crap. 2. Yes, we are technically a country in Europe 3. This is apparently only a thing in Hong Kong and the UK, and more specifically is only enforced by certain local authorities. Apparently nowhere else in Europe does this crap.

[@lightningblender]

Never heard of it in Germany. 1 data point ✅

[@MrLonomia]

No shit like this in Italy. 2 data points ✅

[@mathewargy]

Definitely nothing like that in Greece. 3 data points✅

[@HoutarouOrekiOsu]

Nothing like this in Japan. Still 3 data points ✅

[@Nitrxgen]

Nothing like this in Georgia (country) or Ukraine. 5 data points ✅

[@LostsTVandRadio]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. The Marylebone Road is a classic example where if you follow the rules to the letter you'll impede the traffic, but if you flow with the traffic someone else can dodge into your lane and block the exit. Another prime example is exiting Shepherds Bush Green to enter Holland Park Roundabout. In trying to do the right thing there recently I got stuck overhanging the box and received a fine. It's just too stressful!!

[@diddydonk5255]

My defense for this is, in doing the right thing, Ur actually catching out the 95% of drivers who break even the most basic road laws and don't bother to read up on them. I mean come on let's be fair here, most drivers can't act innocent when most of u will break at least 1 law, regardless of it's severity, per day. Most people have become accustomed to breaking road laws that are imposed to stop people from breaking them for that exact reason. The lines arnt there for nothing and I'm not going against the fact that some lines on the road and even road signs are sometimes misinformative but drivers are rarely ever innocent. About 4 years back, I used to ride my bike to and from work each day. Due to the recent change of road laws allowing for cyclists to ride on roads via bike lanes via having the right equipment 1st to do so, I followed these road laws after getting annoyed at ignorant pedestrians who refused to budge even when I've done nothing to give them this attitude to me for simply cycling a bike. Within those 8 months, I got clipped on the road from a driver on a congested road who thought he'd get impatient and neglegant that I was there and nearly took me off balance, I then just 2 days later, got hit on the path with an even worse injury by a driver who bombed it out his driveway and didn't even bother to react or respond or even say sorry or any of that, so I rode to work in immense pain, I narrowly avoided a car collision the week after by half a second due to a morning drunk driver speeding down a down turning hill which crashed into an oncoming car and nearly hit me and slid into me when the collision happened. I only avoided that because I turned into the road to my work and I've seen near endless instances with my own eyes or just reading local news threads where people keep either dying or going to hospital from crashes or other related instances, while driving a car. I've even had people bomb it round sharp corners at 120mph, skidding their tires, speeding just because they want to or have sports/ race cars or high end vehicles. Some of those same people have died, most were under the influence of drugs, usually weed, or alcohol. The only 8 months I spent cycling, about 5 instances within a singluar month were close calls of me being involved in an accident and close to losing my life from people who don't follow simple road laws.

[@Ezekiel_Burton]

@diddydonk5255 In manchester, it is a bloody nightmare. I cycle everywhere, and I have near misses i'd say once a week. Only by being SUPER cautious and aware myself, do I avoid accidents with moronic drivers. 70% of drivers are not intelligent enough to drive. The police do fuck all about all the idiots in their golfs, behaving like wannabe f1 racers, bombing it down 20 roads at 60 just to stop at a red light. It's absolutely moronic and more often than not, these people cause 3-4 near misses with other traffic in the 30 seconds I see them, before they're gone. Enforcement is a joke at the moment and people are completely taking advantage of it.

[@l4rjy]

@diddydonk5255 you must be living in Brixton 😂

[@MichaelGallagher97]

Yellow boxes just shouldn't exist at all. You should treat every Junction as a "yellow box" and keep them clear the best you can within reason.

[@ZeerakImran]

I agree. As long as we're not counting roundabouts. At 8:30am, if you don't go for it and block the roundabout for others (which we shouldn't do), then your road will be disconnected from the roundabout for 30mins+. This would essentially disable most of the main roads roads in a small town, as thousands of cars will que from many roads behind you because you will never get the option to go (there will always be a car to your right and none of them would que and travel all the way on that road, just to use that roundabout for a u-turn. This is the case for a roundabout on my road. From 7:30am to 9am, its obvious that our behaviour has to be adapted for the heavy traffic. In some places in london, you have to kind of force the person in the other lane to let you in (by making him/her change their speed), otherwise you won't be able to take your exit (which will come a mile later). You have to be ready to bail ofc and not be one of those pricks that force themselves in to merge. But if you behave according to the guidelines, you're not getting to work on time for the foreseeable future. This is the same idea of this video essentially.

[@CharlesStawell]

only exception i would make to this is level crossing across a train line or some similar safety orientated spot like roads going across airport runways etc.... (although these have barriers and red flashing lights anyway)- i don't personally have a problem with the yellow box as an escalated suggestion that i really should try to avoid causing congestion at this particular point. I just have issue with the camera enforcement on some junctions and not others - sort of catches people out. As you say, I treat every junction, every exit and entrance onto a roundabout etc... as a critical cross-roads where i should not fruitlessly stop in cross traffic's or potential cross traffic's way.

[@MGLJr-m6w]

But not all thinks the same way decent drivers do and break rules with or without road markings. Can't even use the indicators and follow speed limits.

[@JP_LDN582]

If there were no yellow boxes in London, it would turn into Mumbai

[@geoffwright9570]

Because some drivers will not attempt to to keep the junction clear . The powers that are have to make box junctions in the hope it keeps them clear and prevent road rage incidents and keep the traffic flowing in all directions.

[@AndySnap]

Well done for calling out this issue, particularly coming from your informed position. I'm certain there are some local councils which are more interested in revenue than road safety at yellow box junctions. And if the income from fines is significant, they can 'hide' behind the safety angle even if public complaints are obviously valid.

[@johnsmith-ht3sy]

Has happened in Medway Kent, we got a Labour council and now have London council scam cameras raking in the money.

[@dedaloskprs9013]

I've been regularly watching this channel for years and I've never seen Richard doing anything unsafe on the roads until today.

[@pocky1scot1]

By following the rules as set out by the authorities that should be keeping us safe. Let that sink in properly.

[@Sam-pw6vi]

​@@pocky1scot1yep, the entire point of the video haha.

[@martineyles]

​@@pocky1scot1No, by leaving too small a gap in front and having to break harshly as a result 1:54

[@robthemodYT]

@@martineyles I think you misunderstand the video. The point is that can't enter the yellow box while the car infront has gone through it. That is dangerous if the box is long. Now could Richard maybe have set off slower from the traffic lights? Perhaps, but that doesn't change the point that cars would have been honking at him for being slow.

[@martineyles]

@robthemodYT Leave a gap as if the car in front were the length of itself plus the yellow box from when you see the yellow box - gradually leave a larger gap until you have accommodated for that.

[@axam102]

Mate you talk a lot of sense and alot of logic. one of the best driving instructors on youtube

[@goneonholidaybymistake84]

100% I watched this channel religiously in the 6months before my test, passed, and still come back to watch his videos to enrich my driving knowledge.

[@buddybleeyes]

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's actually pretty dangerous in some places

[@wyx087]

6:00 I was fined EXACTLY like that, for slowing to ensure I have space before entering a very large yellow box. A car took advantage of my slowing down and entered from give-way taking up the only space left, forcing me to be trapped inside. My appeal was turned down, stating when I entered, the car in front haven’t completely cleared therefore I had not followed Highway Code to wait and ensure I have clear exit.

[@axam102]

Boils my piss... just trying to do the right thing and some purple-haired prat in the council with a hatred for cars strikes another scalp because they have no common sense

[@robertwhite3503]

They have mentioned the space was not completely clear. However there are no excuses in this bit of legislation. You only have to answer one question. Did you stop? Actually the camera will tell you.

[@wyx087]

@@robertwhite3503 As mentioned in this video at timestamp, I was forced to stop in the box due to other vehicle from give-way cutting in and taking the single car space that was meant for me.

[@pocky1scot1]

​@@wyx087sounds like you entered after the give way car pulled out. You should have stopped before the hatchings in that case. Yes annoying but why did you continue? You could have appealed if you had already entered and then someone pulled out and took 'your' spot. The wording is very clear about not entering unless the exit road is clear.

[@wyx087]

@@pocky1scot1 @ please do not assume. The yellow box was HUGE, just as this video at timestamp. When I made the decision to enter, I saw there were enough space for 2 cars ahead. The give-way car had not entered because the car in front haven’t cleared their path, just as I had said in my post. The car cut in while I was inside the box. I did appeal, but it was denied due to me entering the box without car in front clearing the box. As this video said, no one drives like that for smooth flow of traffic. I paid the fine and be done with it, life is too short. Just as I will no longer respond to comments like yours. Also, that was many years ago. Now at same junction the yellow box had been reduced in size to only cover the entrance to the minor road. I guess someone won a court case against it.

[@martinrew9285]

Totally agree. Recently opposed a box junction camera installation for the very reasons you mentioned.

[@gaziq6680]

Thanks for calling it out, I thought I am only one who thought quite a few of them are unfair. I was fined last year for having a few inches of my car in the yellow box ,that too, when a car had moved into my lane. I tried being more conservative after that but then that increased instances of being honked and increased risk of being rare ended.

[@v3nusina201]

Hello Richard, I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU! I passed my test today 1st time and you have been a great help for me, my husband was teaching me but somehow you were my instructor too. I'm very lucky we're still together after that. It wasn't clean but somehow I managed to do it ;)

[@clennam62]

You’re absolutely right. These fines are vindictive and an obvious money maker.

[@Tomm9y]

This is a fraction of what goes on in the Justice system. People have no idea of the scale of lawfare. Everyone working for these authorities, courts, are sworn to secrecy. The mainstream media the BBC are controlled by the Cabinet Office.

[@Itisnotallbad]

I passed my test a few weeks ago and a lot of that is down to your extremely useful videos. Thank you very much.

[@rexp1727]

I'm actually glad someone with a following is calling this out, It needs to be reformed

[@HamntYT]

I passed my driving test today first time with 1 minor fault after only 6 lessons. Your videos where a great help to me, especially with my confidence levels in the run-up to the test. I will definitely be sticking around to keep watching these videos, thanks!

[@leedslad1994able]

I love this channel.. although I'm an hgv driver and have also drove buses for a few years prior. I think alot of it is down to planning well ahead. For example if traffic light and I'm wanting to turn right at a box junction ill happily wait in it because I know ill get over and not block traffic of lights change. However if its busy, for example rush hour, I'll wait until it's completely clear. Been an hgv and a bus driver has helped me massively in terms of anticipation for what other drivers will do, I can sometimes read a situation so I know to hold back or let someone pull in. Good video richard!

[@EveryThingCars53]

I passed my test just over a month ago with only 2 miners your videos were a massive help thank you for making them.

[@iLukey96]

As a lorry driver these are the bane of my life, I go when there is a gap and a car cuts me up. The trick is, DONT STOP even if you're moving 1mph

[@Hackney_Boy-DoesntReadReplies]

Cars are the problem, too many of them, the boxes aren't causing the problem.

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

@@Hackney_Boy-DoesntReadReplies I mean sometimes the boxes are causing the problem, there are three examples of bad boxes in this very video. But you're right that most problems we have with traffic and with roads generally can be alleviated or outright solved by reducing the number of cars, even putting aside the massive environmental benefits. Problem is the government (regardless of which party is in charge, it seems) is totally unwilling to actually put proper investment in sustainable alternatives like rail, and the biggest passenger rail project of our time has turned into a total laughing stock.

[@declannocher2049]

Had a very intelligent pedestrian walk in front of me whilst I was entering a box, braked. got a picture and a ticket, which was upheld in spite of the fact it was whilst driving to my test, which I passed, and my instructor who was with me went to bat for me. Angle of picture showed no pedestrian. Great introduction to driving. To be honest I'm past caring about the traffic fines in the UK, but I'm glad you made this and people like you are discussing and raising awareness to some of the less logical stuff.

[@JamesSomersetActor]

I didn't think Yellow Box fines could be upheld without a video, you can't tell in a picture if someone is stopped.

[@davem9204]

@@JamesSomersetActorWith these things you are guilty unless you can prove beyond any doubt you are innocent. That's if you're even allowed to show any evidence of the doubt in the first place.

[@ajstyles4895]

I just passed my test approximately 3 hours ago with 0 driving fault from the most strict examiner in my test centre. He told me that he enjoyed the test and he even made a mistake and gave me the certificate that had the “auto” part crossed. He thought that he was sitting through an auto car test. Thank you for your videos. I found the “Instructor talk through driving” most useful for me so that I know what I missed or what should I look for while driving. Thanks again.

[@Kr1ish]

Just passed my driving test this morning. Thank u so much for the tips. They have been very helpful 👍

[@stevenmarshall8128]

Great video. It's so easy to fall into the yellow box trap these days. I have one where oncoming red light runner's block my right turn exit on a regular basis. Totally clear when I adopt my right turn position.

[@peterbarber8053]

Thank you for highlighting this issue. I always get nervous approaching and dealing with box junctions too. As soon as I slow down to make sure there is space to clear it drivers behind get angry as they can’t see why I’m slowing or showing caution .

[@Jason-Thorne]

On my way home today, I got stuck in a yellow box while turning right on a green filter light. Luckily the traffic moved by a car length before the lights changed, so I was able to get out of trouble (at the other end of the road was a heavily blocked roundabout). If they did change, my plan was to turn right and go with the moving traffic, instead of sitting there as a blockage to it. I think that would've have been the best choice, but glad I didn't have to do it!

[@hasbo]

Another point not touched on is aggressive /vindictive drivers intentionally stopping at the end of a box to force the driver behind to stop. I've seen this quite a few times. As soon as you see any blockage arise on your exit, slow down to an absolute CRAWL! They cannot fine you for driving at 1mph through a box. Even wiggle side to side if safe to do so. Anything to stop the authorities from having two still frames with different time stamps with your car in the same place!

[@Hakohn2511]

That's pretty much what saved me during my driving test from failing - moving with ~1mph over a yellow box junction that was blocked unpredictably during rush hour traffic!

[@PedroConejo1939]

We have two consecutive box junctions locally that truthfully allow right-turners in and out of the side roads opportunity to turn. The problem is that at certain times of the day, left turners coming out onto the main road consistently take the space, even though they should give way. If you're on the main road and follow the rules to the letter, you'd likely be sat for a very long time.

[@ChrisNeary86]

What concerns me as an ex-pat is when I come to visit my family, I pick up a rental car from the airport, to get around. If I incur a PCN of any sort (yes, even the private, 'unenforceable' parking charges), the rental company will pay it right away (so yay, discounted rate) and then deduct that amount from my credit card on file without any right of reply, and not without slapping on another £35 administration fee; a junk fee that the rental company just gets to keep and I am now out of pocket. By the time International visitors return home, there's not likely to be any chance at a sort of appeal, and the local council just get to extort locals and visitors, alike.

[@billnye142]

This is just one of the cons of having a rental car/lease vehicle. I imagine its similar in other countries as well, however I could be wrong

[@ChrisNeary86]

@billnye142 of course, but it puts visitors at a disadvantage. When Sainsbury's car park decides you overstayed your visit by 1 minute after spending £££a in their store, as a resident you have the option to not pay, appeal, and ring the local paper to resolve it. Visitors just get charged automatically as the rental companies admit fault on your behalf whether you like it or not. A scheme like automated fine cameras that don't consider the details is just going to take advantage of that. I prepaid for the Dartford Crossing and they screwed it up. 'Lost' my payment. I was charged a penalty plus currency conversion fees by Enterprise. I had to argue with the Dartford people and then the rental company to get reimbursed, and I only just had the mental bandwidth to do that.

[@pickletee]

Just one of the cons? Of course it is but why should it be dismissed? ​@@billnye142

[@Theadamvok]

same story with leased cars... in theory you still can appeal after the fine is paid, in practice however it's almost impossible.

[@AFlexChannel]

My advice: count yourself lucky that you're an expat. Imagine if you had to deal with this garbage 365 days a year.

[@thatperson5986]

A junction whether it has or has not been painted with a yellow box, shouldn't be entered unless it can be cleared. Box junctions make it more obvious to keep clear by highlighting the rule. In our crazy city, the situations mentioned in the video happen a lot. Well done for highlighting it. The biggest issue I can see is that the box junctions aren't able to manage the volume of traffic that we have today. Take half of the vehicles off the road and people would not push ahead like they do, lanes wouldn't fill up like they do. Totally agree about the fines and if I ever have to appeal one, I'll be certainly quoting content from this video. If they want to sort the issue it needs readdressing for every junction and a fix needs to be applied.

[@lzanti63]

completely agree, had a situation like this recently, thankfully no ANPRs

[@davem9204]

I remember driving in London a few years ago and there was a yellow box around a bend that you couldn't see the end of because it was obscured by a building. So once you entered you had no idea when it ended or whether it would be clear. It had no need to be so large and seemed to cause more congestion than it solved. But I expect it raked in vast amount of fines for the council, so they had no incentive to fix it.

[@diglet553]

8:37 So councils are breaking the law to (most likely) generate revenue? Then how we're they allowed to paint the box if it didn't meet regulations? Who allowed it and why is no governing body overseeing it?

[@davem9204]

Councils seem to be able to do whatever they want as they doesn't seem to be a higher body that checks these things.

[@AMDeZani]

The biggest crime is that they're not required to refund people they scammed out of their money when their illegal box is removed

[@rossssd4969]

In the UK, it's often impossible to see it's a box until you're on top of it. This is why some countries have box junction signs to indicate them. In some parts of central London, the junction layouts and restrictions appear to change every 10 metres. Sticking to the 20 mph limit appears essential because of purely this, regardless of pedestrian safety. They're almost designed to get you some kind of penalty

[@Jenks1]

Great video. Someone who actually understands how to read rules and understand what they mean. How do these civil servant clowns get away with being so bad?! It's literally murder when these people design such bad roads and they don't even care.

[@OkenWS]

Not civil servants but worse again. Council highways officers.

[@dogmadogma5398]

The WEF love it when the little people fear driving

[@MussaZaheer-f9g]

I had a category B test 05 February 2025 and your videos helped a lot I passed with 0 minors thank you very much

[@ارغوان-ث3ه]

Thank you for the Video. I am a learner driver and my instructor keeps telling me to dont enter the box junction and block it, but sometimes it is inevitable. The front driver drives normally and the traffic is flowing but all of a sudden they stop in front of me and I have to stop in the box junction. It is sooooo annoying. 😂😂

[@gregoryfriston7091]

What causes it to become inevitable for you?

[@jeffHall-w1i]

The offence is committed at the point of entry in to the box. In your example of the red car moving from lane 1 to 2 and blocking your exit there is no offence as at the point of entry you had a exit. Local authorities appear to be assuming that the offence at the point of stopping not entering. A single picture (their evidence) is not enough to show the offence to be complete.

[@_Mentat]

Yes, the law could be interpreted as saying you commit an offence if you ENTER a box junction when your exit is obstructed by a STATIONARY vehicle. So you can enter box junctions if the traffic is MOVING at that time. If said traffic then stops it's not your problem. It's never happened to me, but I'd go to court and argue this one.

[@Chris-hf2sl]

@@_Mentat Yes - but in fact you've got it slightly wrong. The law says stationary vehicles (not vehicle), so there needs to be at least two stationary vehicles obstructing your exit.

[@_Mentat]

@@Chris-hf2sl Interesting subtly which I had not noticed. 😆

[@jeffHall-w1i]

@@_Mentat It is not a case of interpretation. Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 Schedule 19 Part II "no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles". I agree with you that many of these "offences" are not being lawfully issued.

[@_Mentat]

@ The point being if there are no stationary vehicles when you enter you do not commit an offence. Vehicles subsequently stopping cannot retrospectively make your action offensive.

[@xMI55IONx]

It's a fantastic money making scheme. Cameras everywhere to fine people for minor infractions whilst vehicles involved in all but the most serious of crimes are given a pass.

[@TheSniper9752]

Yep, like how the boy racers who are high on weed but know the speed cameras in the area are able to pelt it at 100mph with no repercussion until they cause a fatal accident.

[@Uppernorwood976]

Bingo. Revenue for local councils.

[@alexrogers9533]

Great video! I completely agree with the points made in the video, and just wanted to chime in to say that this issue is made so much worse when driving a C+E articulated HGV lorry. It is simply impossible to clear a box junction in many cases, especially with traffic overtaking and cutting in on these junctions.

[@denisarus]

In some instances if you don’t go in the yellow box you would never be able to proceed. Like when it’s very busy traffic and other traffic blocks your exit road very time the light changes.

[@VerticalBlank]

There is a very notorious one in Hammersmith & Fulham (New Kings Road / Bagleys Lane) that generates over £1.8m a year for the council. Contrary to regulations it is full-width across a T-junction, plus the lights have clearly been phased so as to entrap drivers, plus the signage and layout mean that non-local drivers often find themselves in the wrong lane, so use the box junction to change lanes and steal your place.

[@ravirajyaguru6849]

Last year summer I travelled to the UK from Germany in my own car for the first time. A month after my trip, I got a letter from Westminster council that I have violated this yellow junction traffic law and I must pay 200+ euros in fine. Absolute madness !

[@automation7295]

It's funny how people call fines "madness" but are still glad that fines exist.

[@ZeerakImran]

200 euros ialso so extreme. it should be £30-£50 maximum.

[@cloudisfast3361]

I hope you didn't pay it? You are untouchable in Germany. They struggle to actually enforce the fines if you don't pay them, especially for a foreigner

[@mason6300]

There is no agreement with sharing licence plate data between the eu and UK. The only way they can do this is via a third party company illegally claiming you violated a parking charge within Germany. These companies buy up foreign fines and hope people don't actually investigate it themselves or take it to court, because it's completely unenforceable.

[@ImMigrant98086]

I drove into a yellow box with clear exit or so I thought. Someone had illegally parked their car on the double yellow line and slamed the door open into the traffic which caused cars ahead of me to stop and for me to stop in the yellow box.

[@artemkatelnytskyi]

What came out of it?

[@ImMigrant98086]

@@artemkatelnytskyi I appealed and they denied me without addressing the illegal car. I was ready to go to tribunal but decided against it because of my exams.

[@jpalmer999]

As a lorry driver yellow boxes are INFURIATING! If I followed the rules I would never get through them as cars always stop me from getting fully through...

[@OkenWS]

Of course, because your vehicle is far too long to ever be confident that you will fully clear. It must also be hard to judge when you will fully clear because the back of the vehicle is way too far behind the cab. It’s clear that yellow boxes were dreamt up by someone even more quackers than the inventor of double mini roundabouts, and the fact councils are now fining people on them is proof that there are not many thinkers in local authorities.

[@jpalmer999]

@OkenWS Fortunately my lorry has a rear camera, but even so it's not always easy to tell, a lot of lorries don't. To make things worse the lorries that we use (MAN) sometimes lag for a couple seconds before moving, but it's unpredictable. That's why if you see a lorry suddenly pull out of a roundabout or junction it's likely their engine lagged before selecting the right gear and moving off...

[@Tomm9y]

I remember company lorry drivers getting stung for this in London. Like much of the law it is corrupt and a cash generator. I hate the summary justice style fines. The maximum fine needs to be reduced by 50%, if you go to court and prove them wrong they should pay you.

[@KX36]

IIRC, there was a video of a 'Karen' pedestrian berating a London bus driver for stopping partially on the yellow box in gridlock a few years ago when they introduced this fine in London. If he hadn't gone he'd probably still be sat at that junction today.

[@Redeem195]

I agree completely. In fact there is a box section on the traffic lights outside of our depot. But only on one side of the road (the side you'd enter when turning right) and traffic is regularly blocked up turning right. So you would have to either wait at the white line for several light cycles, or block the box section. I think it's pretty obvious which option we usually choose.

[@jontemple1038]

In the case of deep boxes where the far edge is worn or not easily visible, especially in a low car, far corners of the box should be marked by adjacent yellow posts - eg lamp posts or road signs to better judge distance ahead/depth..

[@AlteranAnciote]

My sibling was done by a TFL Yellow Box camera because he entered the box when his exit was clear, unfortunately before he got to the exit a larger vehicle fouled his exit, entered his lane and blocked him in the junction. TFL said "don't care" and forced him to pay up.

[@pocky1scot1]

They didn't force anything. He was just too afraid to challenge them on the law.

[@AlteranAnciote]

@pocky1scot1 Oh he did appeal it the first time around, but decided it wouldn't be worth his time to take them to court. When you're self employed, it can take too much of your time to fight it.

[@gregoryfriston7091]

​@@AlteranAncioteoh wow. And, what happens if you just don't pay an illegitimate demand?

[@goaway9977]

Did he have dash cam? Here in Australia it is against the road rules to change lane in an intersection and I assume it's the same in the UK. If you can show that your action waa cause by the illegal action of another driver I would imagine that the appeal should be granted. But you're right that if your appeal is rejected then the cost of going to court, even if it is just a couple hours off your work day, can be not worth it, which is why these yellow boxes which sound like that could have a high failure rate compared to other enforcement devices like speed and red light cameras, ought to be looked at and probably removed altogether.

[@SiRhodesDriverTraining]

There is a long Box Junction near me and it’s amazing how people don’t understand how it works. They will happily block the Box Junction and stop traffic flow for the sides, but they won’t go into it to turn right whilst waiting for oncoming traffic. A colleague of mine had a member of the public shouting behind when his pupil was waiting correctly to turn right in the Box. The member of the public was screaming about them being in the box. Amazing……

[@raithrover1976]

People who sit behind the line at green lights rather than moving forward and waiting in the centre of the junction are one of my bugbears when driving. Some sets of lights have sensors that activate a right turn filter arrow if vehicles are waiting to turn right at it doesn't work if drivers don't move forward on green.

[@automation7295]

It's amazing how people suddenly become rude and ill-tempered whenever they start driving, No wonder why pedestrians usually hate all drivers.

[@SiRhodesDriverTraining]

@ also, the amount of people who wait for the green filter instead of just going if safe. Some people genuinely need lessons on how things work.

[@mooferoo]

I've had several times where someone has dashed out in front of me and cut me up, to take up the last space in a queue of traffic on a road off a junction. I basically had to do an emergency stop to avoid them, and each time it left me stopped on the yellows with nowhere to go. Luckily there were no cameras each time. I can't imagine the stress that'd cause me in London, and other areas with lots of cameras.

[@paradoxicalcat7173]

Simple: you fight the fine on that basis. They will see you were cut up by the other driver, and should cancel the fine. YOU were driving as you should. In some cases, the other guy gets a knock on the door for driving without due care. Always drive correctly, and fight any fine you are faced with.

[@fetchstixRHD]

@paradoxicalcat7173: One above comment has mentioned that they were in a similar situation and got their appeal denied anyway, so there's that risk. Nonetheless, point still does stand that you should, and must, appeal in a case like that - paying is taken as an admission that it was correct.

[@chinazaogbonna2740]

I passed on January 6, 2025, but I still come to learn. Thank you for everything you teach.

[@michalwalenciak2478]

Very good channel. Very good job on the traffic issues. Very well spoken presenter. Keep it up 👍😄

[@nxmiles]

theres a horrible box junction in Worcester where it's on a right turn. but the visibilty on the corner is poor that you don't know if its clear until you turn, or whether the lights immedietly after have changed or not. its yellow to ensure buses can navigate down a bus only street, but in the process it becomes a huge risk for every other driver.

[@imicca]

What if yelllow box is hardly seen and paint is nearly invisible? In my country (Armenia) we have a rule that says if any line on asphalt is barely visible - it cannot be a cause of a fine

[@Rohan-iq6zb]

If you appealed the fine on this basis it could be accepted.

[@OkenWS]

@Rohan-iq6zbyep… you can tell when a council has lost a fine appeal because all of a sudden the yellow boxes, line or other marking that caused the lost appeal will get repainted even when everything else has not!

[@cloudisfast3361]

​@@OkenWSyep and even when councils are in the wrong and have ZERO legs to stand on, they will still try to argue it and go to court first because they rely on being bullies and scaring people into paying

[@leexgx]

You shouldn’t be stopping in junctions or blocking side roads , regardless if there is a yellow box there or not, the yellow box to force the rule of not stopping injunctions (but yellow box cameras are abused more often for money and not resolving the problem that’s causing traffic to backup)

[@craptacular8282]

I'm glad you made this video. I learnt to drive in a city that doesn't have box junctions. Coming to London, they just mess with my head. I've read all the rules and watched instructional videos and I still can't figure it out.

[@lonerider543]

Thanks for highlighting this. I always thought these box junctions are very counter productive and just hinder the flow of traffic and cause awkward scenarios. I used to work in for the local council dealing with parking offences and after I had swapped into a different role they merged with moving traffic offences and also started enforcing yellow box junctions and I asked one of the staff members still in that team at the time and he actually gave some very interesting advice. Apparently you can only be given a fine if you are STOPPED within the yellow box. So as long as you're still moving, even if you are crawling at less than 1mph, the fine would technically not be valid, as the fine (contravention code 31) is for 'Entering and STOPPING in a box junction when prohibited'. Not sure how well that actually holds up, but I feel if I ever find myself in that scenario in future and I get caught out not being able to leave the box because something in front of me changed, I will do exactly this and just slow down and crawl along super slowly closer and closer to the car that's blocking the exit until hopefully the traffic clears up and lets me leave. Ideally though, the enforcement of these box junctions needs to be abolished as it causes more harm than good. Most sensible drivers when they see a yellow box will know to try and keep it clear and will try to do so as reasonable as possible without causing issues for other road users. As you said it's unethical to punish drivers for a slight error in judgement or for not being able to predict how traffic in front of them will change while they are crossing the yellow box, as that can very easily happen.

[@Nitrxgen]

A family member of mine received a yellow box fine some years ago and was given a photograph of the vehicle. It was easily appealed on the basis that for some reason no video was provided to prove the vehicle was definitely stationary. Video proof to show the vehicle was stationary is a MUST. That being said, I 100% agree with you, if you enter a box junction and you very quickly learn you're stuck in there, you must crawl as slow as you can in hopes the vehicle in front will eventually move before you get to it. I drive for a living and ended up doing this a number of times and I've never received anything. In fact, I've never had a yellow box junction fine in my life so I must be doing something right for once.

[@Mo-gt8fh]

100% agree! So many box junctions which are put in the most absurd places. Even the 'no motor vehicles' I absolutely despise, some of these signs are placed in firstly again in odd places where it's not always visible to see but also places which just directs traffic elsewhere, increasing overall traffic & difficulty. It's all means of money grab!

[@RyanLYAO]

1:10 failed a driving test for the same reason - felt so unfair

[@Captain-Cardboard]

5:03 (b) Specifically, traffic light-controlled roundabouts. They _mustn't_ be used on standard roundabouts.

[@jezp1976]

They don't call them money box junctions for nothing.

[@daveh166]

These can be a nightmare in a hgv because of the length! You end up sat at junctions waiting ages to get across because you need so much space on the other side. By the time you have the space the light change and cars etc from the other directions take up that space!

[@fetchstixRHD]

I certainly would not want to drive a HGV or bus at all, that wouldn't be great at all...

[@abdulwakil2613]

There are 2 yellow box junctions one after the other where I live. They’re terrible. And just today I saw someone panicking in one and they had to reverse into a side road, I hope they didn’t get a fine.

[@bjthedjdutchdude1992]

They most likely will if there's a Scamera

[@alimmiah4592]

Oh they got me in London a few years back. £180 fine reduced to£80 for paying quickly. What a scam! The traffic was so busy, vehicles were coming in left right and centre, and I had zero chance of clearing that box junction before the light changed back to RED. That was an expensive trip to London. Could've filled my tank up with that money. Disgusting.

[@GhostHawk272]

I suspect the rule won't change, though it should (for the reasons you gave), because the council probably makes a much bigger profit from being able to fine a large amount of drivers for a minor issue, rather than focusing on giving fines to the small number of drivers who make the more serious issues

[@chrispenn715]

It's not about safety or ethics; it's about collecting revenue from fines.......

[@me5969]

Depends where they are. I'm a firefighter and I have been in situations before where I couldn't get the fire engine out because some crayon eater had stopped on the box junction. There was another instance where there's a weird one that looks like it doesn't belong because it's not on a junction or in front of anything... Until you drive a HGV/bus/7.5 van around the slip round. It's there because it's so tight so that was another time we were just sat there because she'd blocked us in but most are definitely a scam like most things involving fines

[@automation7295]

@chrispenn715 Do you want boneheads to block fire station? At fire stations, you need yellow boxes or marking saying "Keep Clear" Also even without yellow boxes, you still can't block junctions.

[@chrispenn715]

@automation7295 I think the video shows how the boxes are often badly deployed... They of course have a purpose if used properly. I question local authorities' motives

[@davem9204]

@@chrispenn715 Yes, well positioned yellow boxes can be very useful to prevent junctions getting snarled up. But it seems they get implemented incorrectly and not for their intended purpose.

[@simoncreesuk]

Quite a few more junctions and roundabouts just have two horizontal lines on the road surface with the words ' keep clear' written between them but drivers routinely stop on them in heavy traffic blocking the junction. As far as I'm aware, these markings are only advisory though. I do tend to be a little over cautious of yellow box junctions for fear of getting trapped and fined, sometimes to the annoyment of other drivers. Thanks for the video again Richard.

[@JonathanDavidsonn]

I've had this feeling of injustice and unfairness when my father drove my car to a hotel entrance to pick up my disabled mother who can't even walk out the door without suffering terrible pains. Problem is, it was a camera moderated bus and taxi road with a big "except for access" and I got hit with a £70 penalty charge 35 if you pay early. Surely the "access" means to the front entrance of the hotel, surely?! Tried to dispute, sharing the hotel booking documents, my mother's blue badge as that's the only evidence I could provide. I believe that qualified, but, apparently not! Which I am still mad about it. This box junction issue I feel is the same problem, the cameras are designed purposely not to give context or the extra footage as per why. Just, "You broke the regulations. Pay this fine. You can dispute this to us but we'll reject it, take it to the official board and we're not giving that discount." So dystopian, unfair and stupid regulations. It's disgusting. If anyone's interested in bringing this problem to the house of parliament I'm gonna setup a petition to request more precise definitions to exceptions and more eased restrictions to people who get unfairly penalised. That is if there's an interest for this.

[@therealchayd]

I think it's one of those the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law issues. If such an infraction were brought before a judge and the driver could demonstrate (through, say, dashcam footage) that they made all efforts to avoid blocking a junction (the idea of which is to deconflict crossing traffic), yet despite their best efforts, was prevented from doing so by external influences, then the judge would probably rule in favour of the driver. Although most drivers would just pay the fine, encouraging authorities to install more of these bloody cameras. Clearly if the authorities were that concerned about people blocking junctions, they would install traffic lights designed to prevent this from happening in the first place.

[@sharperguy]

If they can make a camera that can recognize people stopping in the box they can make a camera that checks to road ahead to see how clear it is and turns on a warning light not to enter.

[@OkenWS]

This capability 100% exists. It’s hard to deny yellow boxes are a money maker but to be fair I think the reality is much more depressing, less dystopian and more idiocratic. The people designing and enforcing these measures are completely incompetent. See also the Bristol A4 CAZ which stops drivers of older cars accessing the airport, and the refusal of National Highways to put up ANY signs indicating the CAZ on the M5 or M4. A literal tourist trap. Who would come here for fun?

[@johnw2758]

There's a yellow grid box in our town, from one junction you can't even see if it's clear as the box is so long. Also, at certain times, you would never get out from the lights unless you actually entered the box when the exit isn't clear. Money making at it's best...

[@josephmarsh8235]

I remember when I was on my driving test years ago, the last roundabout I was on, which had no yellow box by the way, when I went on the roundabout because there was room for me at the junction where their where traffic lights on red, a car pulled out infront of me and stopped at the lights, and made me block the roundabout for about 15 seconds until the lights changed. However, the examiner passed me, and I asked about roundabout situation, and was told it was just a minor for planning and awareness. He said at the end of my test, I was one of the safest drivers he'd had. This was in Bury St Edmunds.

[@AirBornMedia]

There's a yellow box at the end of my street and I often have to wait a stupid amount of time to turn right because the box junction just fills up at every cycle of the lights. Drivers behind me who want to turn left have to endure the same wait. This is one I would be delighted to see enforced.

[@Hackney_Boy-DoesntReadReplies]

Too many cars, they don't scale up well.

[@alexandern4403]

The worst yellow box I've ever encountered was the one outside the Uxbridge test centre. As you come out to exit the estate, there's a traffic light before you get onto the main road, and the box extends to the stop line. If you try to go through the lights at a late green and the light suddenly turns you can't stop because you'll be left in the box, but you can't go either because you'll be running a red. You also don't get much time to consider whether the green's been on for a while or not because the traffic light is very close to the exit of the test centre car park. Instructors in the local cafes tell horror stories of ill-fated students failing their test within 30 seconds.

[@davem9204]

Just found where you describe: 51.53800, -0.48679 What a daft layout! You can't legally wait at the stop line at the traffic lights as it's got a yellow box on it. The only consolation is that if you're approaching a green light as you reach the start of the box you should have enough time to get through if it changes to amber if you're going at a reasonable speed. I'm sure someone could do the calculations to work out the minimum speed to you need to be going to ensure you don't go through a red light.

[@alexandern4403]

@davem9204 yep that's the one. I did my bike test there bsck in 2018 and the instructor said if you turn towards it and it's green just gun it lol

[@Ridz149]

Yes it is out of hand now. They need to be regulated as authorities could be over using them on purpose to make money.

[@DarudeF1]

I think you've summed it up perfectly to be honest. If they are going to dish out yellow box fines then each one needs to be looked at by a human and not a machine to see if the offender is actually at fault or not.

[@andrewbush65]

We have a yellow box junction in the centre of Bath where it is impossible to see if the exit is clear because it is around the corner. You have to drive onto the yellow hatched area before being able to know if you can leave it. There is a camera monitoring the junction.

[@OkenWS]

Which junction is this so I can avoid that route like the plague…(not that it is enforceable as you describe)… Bath and Bristol councils cannot draw lines on the road correctly for love nor toffee.

[@andrewbush65]

@@OkenWS Driving up Gay Street and then continuing right into George Street. You can't continue up Gay street into the Circus due to the new LTN. I believe the box junction is there to enable coaches and HGVs who ignored the 7.5t weight limit negotiate the tight bend.

[@Sam-pw6vi]

I totally agree. I've never seen a yellow box junction that would need to exist, IF (big if), people could actually drive with some common sense and courtesy.

[@rogerkearns8094]

00:21 That exact maneouvre has happened to me; it's really annoying. I got stuck there, looking like a dummy, blocking traffic.

[@bonsai_chaos]

That's an _inconsiderate_ manoeuvre from the red (left) car in that scenario. They're cutting you off by moving from their lane into yours. Is it even legal to change lanes in the middle of a junction in the current UK rules?

[@rogerkearns8094]

@@bonsai_chaos Not sure. But I did use a word that you used. ;) [Edit] bonsai_chaos has replaced the word in question.

[@nickm7529]

I was triggered enough just seeing it on the graphic....Imagine getting penalised for that!

[@rogerkearns8094]

​​ @nickm Happily, I wasn't penalised..

[@agnesanees2915]

1:14 ugh 😩 That’s exactly what I’m worried about-especially when I drive a hearse or limo. These are long cars, and obviously, I need more space, but some people seem not to care. They would just pull right in front of you, making you stop in the yellow box.🤦🏻‍♀️

[@StefanDP]

Years ago in London I was waiting at a stoplight with a yellow box in front. Traffic from the left lane in front of us would constantly fill in all the free space after the yellow box, and after not moving for 3 stop cycles, I had to swallow a fine to get out of there. I’m not sure how you’re supposed to handle that.

[@jamey55lee]

An excellent video! I believe these boxes with cameras have more to do with raising revenue for local authorities than they do with keeping the traffic flowing. One such box I know of has two lanes merging into one immediately past the box, meaning that two cars can be contending for a clear space to avoid stopping in the box. At another I cross frequently, I have stopped at a green light in order to avoid stopping in the box, only to have agitated drivers behind hitting their horns.

[@qasimmir7117]

The fact that they put a yellow box in a place where you can’t see the other side of it is mind blowing. Totally pointless.

[@aj63]

Great reference video from a sound authority to revert to if disputing the fine 👍

[@thebananacraft7298]

London has really horrible yellow boxes everywhere . The amount of times I’ve ended up on the yellow box because of the volume of traffic and you can’t always see what’s happening either. Because you’re either behind a bus or avoiding the person walking out or just want to get over before it goes red again even though cars are already waiting to move forward.

[@DjNikGnashers]

Good point well said. Obviously 95% of drivers who block traffic by stopping in a yellow box do so deliberately and don't give a toss about their actions, there are a small amount who genuinely get caught out and it is not their own fault.

[@simonmeadows7961]

My preference would be for an escalation for repeat offenders. First mistake: just a letter noting that you stopped when you ought not to have done. Second time: a small fine to act as a deterrent. But if it happens repeatedly, then scale up the fines and a point on the licence.

[@PabitraPadhy]

They all are really good and valid points. Driving instructors are great source of highlighting these problem, rather than general public screaming at it. @4:20 like you mentioned, there's no reason to stop, if it's a relatively fast moving traffic and you expect it'll clear up. The road layouts at some places are crazy here. I'm sure it doesn't adhrere to standards, but are allowed somehow? Are there people not overseeing this? during planning phase? Also if you are new to the area, and you cant see too far, because of cars infront of you blocking the exit, then you are bound to get stuck there. But issues fines to people, when it's the government fault is terrible. I hope they could be challenged, but who's got the time to do that?

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

There is a blind junction near where i live, sometimes the train crossing goes down and the back log of stationary traffic goes right up to the corner which you don't see until you've entered the yellow box junction ready to turn right.

[@duck74UK]

Ones in London are insane. Most of them act as "keep clear" boxes that you're suppose to stop in if you're coming out from the junction, otherwise you literally cant move. I've also seen one 1 car length after a train crossing, and seeing as the crossing itself doesn't have a yellow box painted on it, I assume they want you to get hit by a train. And then places like Purley half are "keep clears" and the other half have cameras, it just makes it so dangerous as people that don't know aren't predictable or do something crazy to get out of the box.

[@fetchstixRHD]

"I've also seen one 1 car length after a train crossing, and seeing as the crossing itself doesn't have a yellow box painted on it" There's another example where there is exactly one car length and the crossing itself is boxed (Acton Central), and, worse, one where a junction and crossing are both boxed and the crossing stop line is _in_ the box, with no space between them.

[@vwlowen]

Another case where it's safer to "bend" the rules is at some mini-roundabouts. We have one at a T junction where 99.9% of traffic going straight across, literally does go straight across, ignoring the mini roundabout. If there's a car waiting to join from the left, it can be really misleading if a car going straight through begins turning left in order to negotiate the mini rioundabout. Even though the car isn't signalling left, the waiting car could easily begin to pull out because its driver is so used to seeing 99% of through cars going straight through. (if that makes sense !)

[@fetchstixRHD]

I would probably argue that most mini roundabouts come under this, and I've been put at more risk while riding by going around the roundabouts than the rare times I've gone over them. Nowadays I'm usually in a larger vehicle, where I can drive over them and say "I'm incapable of going around safely" lmao

[@pineapplepenumbra]

I have 4 points to make here: 1) Years ago I read about research where (before enforcement cameras were ubiquitous) they enforced 11 box junctions with cameras and large signs. With 7 of them, it improved the traffic flow, but with 4, it decreased it so much that it had a negative effect on the experiment overall. 2) I watch a news article where a woman said that what she had to do was turn left, find somewhere to turn round, and then come back from that direction, rather than turn right. She showed what happened when she tried to turn right, ie, that when she had a green light, the exit was never clear, and when it turned back to red, more cars would always bock her exit again. Whilst demonstrating this, 2 girls in the car behind got so angry that they attacked the camera. 3) Once I was waiting to turn right in a box junction with a clear exit, but so many cars came up and turned to their left, then got stuck at temporary traffic lights round the corner, that my exit was no longer clear, but luckily, this was before all the cameras, and one can't turn right there, anymore, anyway. 4) Local instructors have told me that with one box junction, they've had examiners tell their pupils to enter the box junction when the exit isn't clear, and stop in it if necessary, otherwise they would be stuck for nearly an hour.

[@deadlymarkham]

7:07 The legislation says the assessment point for stationary vehicles is before you enter. It makes no mention of accounting for moving vehicles that are ahead of you stopping after you've entered. 5:45 My understanding is that the legislation demands that the box covers the entire junction.

[@robertwillis4061]

If I remember correctly, a local council in London was fined heavily for setting up a yellow box junction, just to trap drivers for the revenue. A roads engineer advised this to management and was told on an email to shut up or he would be in bother. The council needed money.

[@0Edm0]

I have been fined for yellow box junction very recently. I had clear but got blocked after I entered. I appealed to the council, which they denied! I had to go to tribunal and the adjudicator agreed with me and cancelled the fine! My case was exactly the oversized one that was mentioned at 5:50!

[@307Gareth]

with the traffic light control on roundabout that got longer/large yellow box, if you can see the 2nd lights ahead starts to change before you go through the 1st lights I would slow down and make sure if there is space or not to go through and stop on other side of yellow box. Yet from understanding the roundabout traffic light control, usually the entering roundabout lights will go red first then the lights on the roundabout go red after to let the next roundabout entering (on your left side where you passed the 1st exit) goes through. at 5:10 true you can't see the yellow box markings due to the blind crest or bridge bump what ever you called it, however there is the yellow and black stand with white dot signs that indicate where the end of the yellow box mark is which helps to show where the end of yellow box is just before you passed it on 5:19

[@matthewjenkins1161]

Completely agree and long yellow box junctions have caught me out before now, though luckily with no fines arriving. Sometimes it feels like there is a good flow and of course you'll make the other side, only for a sudden slow and stop before getting there. Don't know how I've avoided these as a Londoner to date, but what has caught me out 3 times is the terribly sign posted school streets.

[@TeamCGS2005]

Yeah it's problematic. Recently I judged that the car in front would move beyond the edge of the box based on the movement on the cars ahead of it, but then as I moved to follow through, another car came out from the side taking the spot instead leaving me stranded in the box. Completely unavoidable.

[@SlimHandle]

Stupid car behind beeping, 1:52 can't you see the l plate drive is trying to do a video on stopping at yellow box junctions?? 😅

[@antonycharnock2993]

Well they were all obviously too close together if they all had to pull up sharply 😂

[@Hackney_Boy-DoesntReadReplies]

Horns should be as loud inside the car as they are outside.