Why Firefox Is Dead (The Many Mistakes Of Mozilla)

Firefox used to be one of the most popular web browsers. Now, barely anyone uses it. What happened to this once great free and open source browser?
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[@Malik-101]

firefox is not dead, i am currently using firefox,

[@kritnicol8546]

The fact you are using it doesn’t mean it’s not dead. You can still install and use windows vista. The fact that you can doesn’t mean it’s not dead

[@muudus_tv]

Now this is a desperate move i dont expect from any content creators in Linux community. Just don't post anything if you haven't got any content ideas yet.

[@squishy-tomato]

@@kritnicol8546 firefox receives monthly updates and have a large user base - even though in % it's small, it's still in the tens of millions so no, it's not windows vista

[@Doctor_Glados]

@@kritnicol8546vista is EOL. Firefox is not. Just because you don`t like it, it doesn`t make it dead.

[@mcdeleve]

Me too

[@centralintelligenceagency8811]

Don't care, still using firefox.

[@gizzmoguy.]

Firefox is still the best Browser for me.

[@0stre]

Same, still FF user, and I don't plan on switching to another one.

[@garygranato9164]

what is better than FF + adblock ?? cant believe this guy is saying this !!

[@bobbybologna3029]

yeah dunno tf he's talking about, writing this on FF..

[@Artoooooor]

#metoo

[@007Strings007]

I use Firefox (librewolf) because I don't like how big of the market Chrome has.

[@COIN_a]

Isn't librewolf just pre-hardened firefox with delayed updates?

[@Alex-cq7eg]

@@COIN_a also sans Mozilla’s telemetry. But I think you can get the same level of privacy (and probably more) with Arkenfox.js

[@007Strings007]

@@COIN_a yep

[@proletar-ian]

@@COIN_a The delay isn't big, a few days or so. I'd take that over having to harden Firefox myself.

[@Keizer_Soze]

yup librewolf ftw.

[@galen__]

Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching KZbin unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅

[@hotrodjones74]

I switched to Firefox from Brave. But I still use Brave on mobile. I feel like with proper set up you can't go wrong with either one.

[@amir3515]

I was using microsoft for some time but for the past couple months i've been using firefox and i like the way you can customize it with the user chrome css file. i think it's refreshing to use something other than chromium. on another note, it's a shame web browsers have to use so much resources nowadays, yeah i know it's maybe security related, but think about how overpowered computers have become yet opening up the browser to a simple text web page causes the fan to start spinning at max speed.

[@Chiko700]

lol same here, switched from brave to firefox because all the linux distros come with firefox so I wanted to see whats the fuzz about

[@marivanmendes2841]

Same here

[@nichohells]

Not to mention Firefox is a native wayland application 😎🔥

[@rawbeartoe_AK]

That is why I use LibreWolf, it is to Firefox what Brave is to Chromium.

[@Masta_E]

I will have to check it out!

[@miller42]

Yeah, LibreWolf is pretty good. No forced ads for Amazon and Google.

[@nord2992]

Floorp is also great, switched to it from librewolf.

[@m-danya-327]

Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!

[@TheExileFox]

no. Firefox on mobile is not slow. Chrome on the other hand is.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

They don't plan to do that, and they have no ability to. Brave's adblock is not an extension, for example.

[@ryzechdev]

@@shaunpatrick8345they do and they can

[@LovecraftianGodsKiller]

What I find funny is firefox on mobile performs worse on a samsung phone than a pixel. I got a pixel like 1.5 weeks ago and firefox (I specifically use fennec) and webpages don't load NEARLY as slow as they did on any samsung phone I used.

[@s1nistr433]

Firefox isn't dead but it's deteriorated in quality over the years and by now it's almost unusable. It feels extremely clunky, multiple websites load in slow especially discord and youtube which take literal minutes to load up and causing high cpu usage, it might be due to the layoffs causing the project to stagnate as the web evolves but who knows. I switched to Throium, a chromium based browser that removes the google spyware and has massive performance gains over stock chrome (they say 8-30% depending on the websites). For popout player there's chrome extensions for it, for multi-containers you can just use separate profiles which does the same thing. For ad blocking (like concerns with manifest v3) you can just block the domains with the linux hosts file with is more secure anyway, there's tons of premade scripts for it on github. I get wanting to use Firefox to protest against google's monopoly but if it doesn't function properly it's not worth the effort.

[@Gerdoch]

"I need some clickbait. Let's just say Firefox is dead!"

[@gizzmoguy.]

Agreed smh

[@MI7DJT]

@@gizzmoguy. Yup.. total B$ video.

[@UltraZelda64]

Stating the obvious is not clickbait. That's not how it works.

[@gizzmoguy.]

@@UltraZelda64 So.......Firefox is obviously dead?

[@dullahangaming5107]

It is objectively on deaths door statistically.

[@htx80nerd]

Can tell a lot of people have not watched the "finances of Mozilla" videos yet

[@user-uf4rx5ih3v]

I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid. It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware. Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features. Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant. What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop. For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient. As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind. You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.

[@user-in2cs1vp6o]

In just saying this guy won't ever run wayland. A very opinionated dude, not necessarily the most reasoning behind it all

[@Dratchev241]

that is my issue with brave, they are tied to the whims of google. I know they say they won't allow the manifest v3 in brave... but how so? (i am not a coder) but when google decides to Mv3 to stop ad block what kind of code changes will be made to chromium? it may be impossible to use that v3 code base to turn it back into v2. So is brave going to fork the chromium engine? if so why have they not already done it years ago getting away from "be evil" google.

[@lcssbr]

​@@Dratchev241In that matter, they only need to patch chromium code or clone it right after those bad changes.

[@Dratchev241]

@@lcssbr and that is the problem. No idea what the v3 changes "be evil" google will make to the code. it may make it where if it isn't fully in the code breaks. Which means brave would have to fork the project at the last good base which if they have to fork then why the f they ain't done so already getting away from "be evil"?

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@DJSammy69.]

April Fools was months ago! It has been said that Firefox is dead for years. It ain't going no were.

[@chungushook]

i mean, 2.88% market share is really bad, especially considering how many users it used to have. wouldn't say its dead, but they are doing something wrong and should try to improve before they actually are dead.

[@DJSammy69.]

@@chungushook As long as you can download new version and it gets updates, it ain't dead. They might be minority now days but every other browser is pretty much using chrome/chromium.

[@jhaokip23]

It ain't going nowhere because Google likes it that way.

[@SergioBocanegra]

i use floorp it's based on firefox and is made by a japanese foundation.

[@jibberjabber6919]

"nowhere"

[@TheDrunkenAlcoholic]

firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%

[@greendblink182]

Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.

[@rlifts]

Funny you say that cause I was at a job once in which we used Linux computers and they made it to where employees could only open Firefox and nothing else to do their work. Solid as hell, I can't say the same about Brave on wayland or chrome.

[@wassim-akkari]

@@rlifts agree firefox is very stable under wayland, I got back to using firefox a year ago and it's been very good and performance is very good.

[@OpenBASED]

That should make you more worried than anything.

[@Tuishimi]

I don't. I work for a company with >40K employees and guess what the vast majority use? Chrome. Of course our company has certainly nerfed parts of it... I am also using chrome on my Ubuntu/Wayland build. Part of that is I simply gave up on privacy, I even had a google phone and all my bajillions of sorted and maintained links backed up by google in the cloud. lol!! But I guess some companies DO prefer firefox and some don't. The only true way to know is to check website hit statistics.

[@nlmaster9811]

How is this the case? Smart cards don’t even work with Firefox.

[@lightningx10]

Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so. I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software. I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space. I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.

[@dez0rted291]

I wanted to write the same thing, lol

[@gregorybrannan7202]

It started that way, but moved away quickly. I’ve switched back to Firefox, actually.

[@DanteMishima]

I run LibreWolf and Floorp and I'm very satisfied

[@jhaokip23]

I think the point is users shouldn't have to resort to "hardened forks" for basic privacy ootb, hence the "focus on software" point.

[@Flashback_Jack]

Brave isn't revolutionary. It's basically a stripped-down Chrome with uBO filters baked into it.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Firefox is dead according to you. But it's pretty much alive.

[@theworldoffun8997]

Mozilla is just a company with no reason to compete with Google since they are getting huge pay checks from them, so they don't even try to oppose Chrome, while modern days developers or hopeless zoomers slowly move into the whole walled gardens of big corporations ecosystems with n competition. And mozilla does not even try to do anything and try to get initiative back from google

[@stellarorbit1341]

You probably didn't even watch the video.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

@@stellarorbit1341 Firefox wasn't working when I tried to play the video.

[@X91X-km7hp]

@@AaronStarkLinux LMAO!

[@lewisse_8966]

@@AaronStarkLinux Amazing response lol

[@TheSynrgy1987]

*watches video via firefox, daily browser on every device for the last 20 years.

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@edstar83]

I miss Netscape

[@JeffreyBodenstein]

Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.

[@BrendonKing]

The extension economy is nowhere near as vibrant or robust as the competition. People mistake "death rattle" for "relevant"

[@bluecat-114]

I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values ​​can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome

[@wikingagresor]

What do you mean when you say that 'ad blocking works better in FF than in Brave' ? After using Brave for few years now I'm happy to report that I don't see any ads on any website. FF needs some shady plugins for it. In Brave it works ootb.

[@eliasjachniuk4427]

DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist" Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future." Bruh

[@fotnite_]

Seems like he doesn't understand how that money works. As unlikely as it is that this would happen, it's even more unlikely that it would happen AND be independent. Look no further than Brave itself, which has continually tried to insert invasive ads into their browser. If they got significant traction you better believe they'd go down the same enshittification route that Windows has been going down, and if you fork you don't get access to the same funding that Brave has from billionaire mega-donors, so good luck trying to compete.

[@LightningMcCream]

I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon. But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive. Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!

[@Winnetou17]

I don't get your last complaint. A LOT, really A LOT of people, more normie ones, complain when switching to Firefox that it doesn't have the conveniences of Chrome. Exactly like that Sync Service. WHAT THE FLYING F is stopping you on not using it ? It's not for you, it's for the normies. If you were in their shoes, you'd realize how immensily annoying a comment like yours is. It's literally being damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@carves123]

Lets revive Netscape browser !

[@danielalvesldiniz]

hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?

[@Winnetou17]

Don't want to be an apologist, but I think the reason is about what he said that a new browser has bigger chances. Because of the baggage. Firefox is 2.88% but on the decline. Linux is 3-4% but growing.

[@danielalvesldiniz]

@@Winnetou17 sure, but linux has been "on the rise" for a long time now...

[@Winnetou17]

@@danielalvesldiniz Yeah, it literally is since early-mid 1990s. But I think it matters less right now. What matters is that is on the rise. Multiple people excited for its future. With some companies, like Valve, commited to improve it. Firefox, sadly, doesn't have that. And I'd so wish it did. For me it still runs very good. Though not perfect, as some websites simply don't check for Firefox (which is closest to running the actual web standards)

[@danielalvesldiniz]

@@Winnetou17 yeah I've been using firefox for a long time now and really wish it would succeed but that seems unlikely :(

[@ParinyaTeerakasemsuk]

There's no relevant open source alternative to Linux in desktop OS space. But there's Chromium, which is 100% open source and a better alternative to Firefox. People can grab the source then fork however they like regardless of Google consent, like what Brave does for example.

[@haniqassim]

Google still pays a big portion of Mozilla’s bills and get Google services used by default.

[@AndyTurcu]

Hello! What's the name of the extension for the New Tab you use in Brave? I like!

[@htx80nerd]

I hate that Firefox has that stupid pocket feature on by default and uses the Google search engine. Then they pretend to care about privacy.

[@johanb.7869]

I don't like Pocket either. It's always one of first things I double click to false.

[@Mario583a]

Something something Google's search contract deal; It takes money to make a free browser.

[@TheExileFox]

Pocket used to be ReadItLater - back then it was actually GOOD. now it's just spyware.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@Mario583a they don't use their money for the browser though, they use it to call for censorship of the web. Or rather, it's to "counter misinformation".

[@PerfectKlaus]

I still use it - the best free browser which doesn't report everyting back

[@someusername1]

LibreWolf?

[@Nate-qh4em]

In that case I would reccomend Librewolf on PC and Fennec on android (two Firefox forks that respect privacy). Because oh boy, the amount of data vanilla Firefox sends back is horrifying. Like the amounts of data that makes a windows PC look FSF endorsed.

[@user-us6ft2sj5q]

not true. firefox has just as much telemetry as the others, by default it's enabled and you need to turn off a bunch of stuff. Librewolf fixes that but it's generally an incovenient browser to use due to its hardening

[@Mario583a]

@@user-us6ft2sj5q Correct; HOWEVER the telemetry is just unintelligible gobblty gook to the average.

[@Nate-qh4em]

@@user-us6ft2sj5q Some things you can't turn off, like a built in unique ID tied to your Google Analytics ID (desktop) or strait up Google Analytics (mobile).

[@hunterzone4846]

Which extension do you use to change the brave home page?

[@MarkGast]

I gave up on Firefox years ago and, like our gracious host, I to switched to Brave. I blame most of the issues on management.

[@BloodblayeGaming]

Tried using Brave, did not like the design and the shitty cryptocurrency. I much prefer Firefox because its simple and familiar.

[@moister3727]

Yeah, that's why i like Firefox. Brave can be customize to not show any of that crap, but it's a hassle

[@michaelking8306]

Key word is familiar. Chrome is familiar. Safari on Mac is familiar. McDonald's is familiar.

[@dullahangaming5107]

The crypto stuff has a one button switch to turn off in settings.

[@gurriato]

It's familiar if you have the memory of a goldfish.

[@BloodblayeGaming]

​@@gurriatolol okay

[@Lineageholder]

Floorp is a good Japanese variant of Firefox. It's a more private option.

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

Based

[@mentalmarvin]

Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers

[@shaunpatrick8345]

What mitigation against ad blockers does Brave have, other than it doesn't need external ones?

[@mentalmarvin]

@@shaunpatrick8345 I'm talking about sites that will block access because you have an ad blocker, their scripts are usually made for chromium based browsers and harder to navigate around without messing with the inspection tab

[@boyscout399]

Firefox's multi account containers is something i really want chrome based browsers to add...

[@c0wg0d]

Pretty sure Arc Browser has that

[@fotnite_]

@@c0wg0d It does, but Arc only really supports macOS. They have a windows version, but it's very unstable and buggy at the moment. And no Linux version.

[@PaulG.x]

It's not dead! It's just pining for the fiords!

[@Chris3s]

Still use firefox, but now I also use Librewolf too for more searching around

[@BlueBatboy]

me watching this on firefox:

[@matthewmoore757]

I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.

[@MixedVictor]

Chromium has a monopoly because it's just better. Have you ever wondered why Chrome was widespread when it was released? If Firefox wasn't under Mozilla's bad management, it would've been a much better browser.

[@MixedVictor]

Also their Android browser is a synonym to memory leak.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@MichaelDustterDoesn't Brave plan to keep Manifest v2 support though after upstream Chromium removes it?

[@matthewmoore757]

@@MixedVictor They have a monopoly because of money and greed. Not because it's better.

[@user-in2cs1vp6o]

​@@matthewmoore757I'm convinced most humans just say the first thing that comes to mind without a hint of thought That guy really suggested that googles monopoly is because their product is just that much better just ignore all the anti trust pro monopoly things they've been sued for the US government and the EU

[@johnny2598]

I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla. Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.

[@yousefshorafa80]

Watching this video on Firefox

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Watching on Floorp.

[@distant6606]

@@TheSolidSnakeOil same 😎

[@DRIVING_ME_CRAZY]

@@TheSolidSnakeOil I haven't used Floorp before.

[@LovecraftianGodsKiller]

@@DRIVING_ME_CRAZY Floorp is kind of firefox with a lot of vivaldi features. It is an INCREDIBLE fork. HIGHLY recommend checking it out.

[@Munny606]

Firefox is alive and well and kicking!!

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Firefox is one of the few browsers that still allow you to view temp cached Media in *Tools* - *Page Info*

[@13thGb]

Is Brave safe & privacy friendly? I like librewolf - privacy tuned firefox

[@windbolt1]

i switched from Brave to a Firefox based Browser like Librewolf.

Firefox + Betterfox + uBlock Origin is the best of the best

[@n0viewers409]

Man for a dead Web Browser it still ships as the default for almost every Distro I have ever installed.

[@walterphillips9950]

What does this mean for Tor (onion) browser which is based on Firefox?

[@JohnCastleSmokeless]

I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.

[@briceni6136]

It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.

[@CaribouDataScience]

DT have you looked at Tilix , the tiling terminal?

[@MartianPink]

2.75 minutes in I still don't know why or in what way Firefox is "dead", or what mistakes they have made.

[@doomVoxel]

it'll be a cold day in hell before i use anything based on chrome

[@cirospartano8467]

I agree with you! But remember that librewolf is better than firefox 😅

[@warrenarthur5629]

Free software proponent here that recognises that you need to protect the internet from misinformation.

[@davidmuriithi1809]

I still use Firefox + Ublock, haven't had a problem so far

[@wassim-akkari]

I still use firefox I don't understand why people prefer chrome, it litteraly does everything and more.

[@tvh024]

I only use Chrome for sites like KZbin, Twitch, Gmail etc. By having to login you'll lose your privacy anyway.

[@wassim-akkari]

@@tvh024 Actually I've seen bechmarks where firefox beats chrome in twitch.

[@Count_Smackula]

I use Firefox for all those things too and have zero problems.

[@Mario583a]

They like the UI of Chrome. The like the entanglements of Google stuff which you can easily bookmark and add keywords in Firefox. They like the "it just works" methodology on sites that only see web traffic of Chrome They like the PWAs, which are just headerless browser shortcuts and are still in the Working Draft phrase according to W3c.

[@alvallac2171]

*Firefox. I *Chrome. It *literally

[@AbuMaxime]

Actually, you are right. On my latest fresh install of ubuntu i did setup Brave as the default browser, and it's good. And now that you remind me of it, I'm also installing Brave on my mobile, instead of Firefox. Like you, it was my everyday browser in 20 years.

[@TheExileFox]

enjoy the crypto history in Brave then.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

@@TheExileFox you don't have to use that, but you should.

[@spectr__]

@@TheExileFox what about it, lol. Literally does nothing, while in Firefox you are supporting Google and censorship.

[@aljustiet]

Brave has even lower marketshare than firefox.

[@gustavoalvarez1396]

Does the Librewolf browser count as Firefox on those usage statistics?

[@proletar-ian]

I'm guessing no

[@chrisfromgreece]

i don't know about you but with firefox i can have hardware acceleration via vaapi , on chrome it seems that it uses only the cpu i don't think it has such feature. Also firefox is fast while chromium is getting more and more bloated.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I have a AMD Advantage laptop, and I can do this with Chromium. And no, I tried Firefox and left within an hour. That was the worst experience I've had with a big FOSS project in a long time.

[@Winnetou17]

@@cameronbosch1213 Really ? What didn't work ? And on what kind of computer ? And I assume Linux.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@Winnetou17 Framework Laptop 16, on Arch.

[@mmstick]

Firefox 126 just released last week, which added support for zstd-compressed web pages. It has better Wayland support than Chrome, so it's the default in most Linux distributions.

[@Boz1211111]

Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much

[@KevinPencilDraw]

The only censorship I support is if something is fucked up or disturbing gets uploaded, censorship has does have its perks.But in regards to software and programs all software should be open source.

[@TheSmellOfBooks]

LibreWolf Represent !!!!!

[@Alex-cq7eg]

DistroTube, you forgot to add a “sponsored” badge to the video (or was paid not to do so). I’d love to see the like/dislike ratio on this video

[@Mario583a]

1.4K likes to 952 dislikes ~~ KZbin Redux and/or Return KZbin Dislike

[@thederpykrafter]

Watching this with firefox and firefox nightly installed on literally every one of my devices (5) except for my quest 2

[@kasi7777]

At least in germany, market share of desktop Firefox is still 20% in 2024.

[@CyborgZeta]

I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others. Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software. Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox. One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.

[@SwiatLinuksa]

Kiwi Browser is based on Chrome and have scrubber good working afs blocker - 2years on mobile no big issues...

[@user-sn8kg7rd6n]

It's only dead when development stops - and it's not like there's a shortage of forks.

[@user-bf5vn8so5k]

In Hungary Firefox is still quite popular.

[@kwpctek9190]

If he doesn't use it, how can he speak from authority? Does he not know it still allows the use of pre-manifest V3 add-ons such as uBlock Origin?

[@WoodwardSystems]

Firefox is my browser of choice on desktop and mobile. Maybe it isn't as widely used as much as it used to be but it's definitely not dead yet.

[@BrendonKing]

From a global perspective, it's been on life support, and Mozilla has no interest in changing that.

[@johanb.7869]

Chrome on Android no ublock, Firefox has.

[@rrsmb7136]

Firefox can be dead but its still one of the best options out there, i am watching this video from a firefox browser.

[@dmitrichbesthook3307]

Firefox is my favourite pdf-viewer on linux 😄

[@tzellis]

Thats why I started using librewolf

[@HeroicMushroom]

I use Librewolf and love it.

[@proletar-ian]

Librewolf and Ungoogled Chromium ftw

[@MrKamylow]

It’s clickbaity but you got some part of a point. I’ll just continue to use multiple browsers as of now but yeah FF did a lot of work to crash and burn themselves. Let’s hope that if it were to continue some people at Tor or Mullvad could team up and try to maintain some stuff. It’s really too bad that they could not refrain from activism and stupid stunts. Feels like the Gnome project or Elementary OS people they are giving a bad feeling that doesn’t merge well with what I think of when I think of Open Source.

[@the-answer-is-42]

I use Firefox, so it's not dead, though it would be good if its market share increased so websites would stop ignoring it.

[@ToumalRakesh]

Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course. Brave? No thanks.

[@iusearchbtw69]

If only there's suckless version of gecko engine

[@Nate-qh4em]

Probably Librewolf (PC) and Fennec (Android)

[@iusearchbtw69]

@@Nate-qh4em I mean "suckless" means get rid of all bloated UI and just straigt up viewing the web pages purposes

How come you didn't mention Libtewolf, a Firefox based browser with aggressive privacy settings?

[@hsoj9550]

I think Gecko is a lost cause, but having a Firefox built on something like Webkit might be interesting to see. I don't think it'll truly save it, but it would be a better path forward (aside from switching to Chromium).

[@ravipratapmishra7013]

I use firefox, and the sideberry and vimium-c makes it awesome, also firefox introduce pdf editor inbuilt in it now.

[@rogerbartlet5720]

I still use it and haven't noticed any problems. I agree that its days are numbered due to the convergent nature of software over time.

[@PinkyZKey]

I use Firefox, Vivaldi, and Brave. When one decides to make a stupid update or something breaks for me during an update, I switch to one of the others. It's just a round and round cycle. For android I use Fulguris, and I'm loving it.

[@technoWZ5598]

Firefox is far from dead, but far from being the most used browser! Mobile version sucks, but I think its really the only alternative you have to Chromium based browsers. Suppose you could use a Firefox derivative, such as Tor, Waterfox, or LibreWolf

[@HaroldCrews]

I became concerned about Mozilla's direction when Brendan Eich was driven out. No company that does not support free-speech can truly be considered an open-source company. Free-speech is how you open-source a society. It's much more important for a society to be open than software.

[@Mario583a]

The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit, or host you while you share it. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an Internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door.

[@drastically143]

@@Mario583a You know, there are a lot of other countries, not everyone is from burgerland and not everyone cares about muh 1st blahblahment. And you can conceptualize free speech in many different ways.

[@MurphyFeargal81]

I'm still using Firefox and it is the only competitor to Google as Brave, Opera and Vivaldi are just Chrome with a skin. I work in a school and sometimes if something doesn't work in Chrome you need Firefox. I always install Chrome and Firefox on all the school laptops

[@spectr__]

None of these are just "Chrome with a skin", Opera maybe. Also lol, if hating Google is your motive, Firefox should be the last thing you cosider.

[@warmdev]

can you make a dotfiles for your linux config?

[@fluxx1]

I get your sentiment and agree on most things, but I use Firefox and have no objections on its performance. It has way healthier ecosystem of extensions and as of recently they work on Android too. I see no reason to switch to chrome, in fact, I would miss some of the Firefox features.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around. Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla. I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster. I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.

[@CrazySalieri]

Yep. And Firefox is surrounded by almost an cult. That is one of the reasons of its downfall...

[@d3stinYwOw]

They currently started hard campaign to implement stuff relevant for users, like vertical tabs or native website profile management. Seems that everybody haven't seen doubling down on firefox under current management ;)

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@d3stinYwOw This may be too little too late though...

[@d3stinYwOw]

@@cameronbosch1213 I wouldn't be so doomer about it to be honest. Let them cook ;)

[@semi-senioritis]

Lack of PWA support is because of PWA developers, not Mozilla, unless you want them to redo their entire gecko engine.

[@nowherebrain]

Disliked, not even going to watch..your title is just wrong..so many people, including myself, use firefox...I know more people who use firefox than any chrome based browser...most guys I know in the #silicon gang use firefox and everyone(almost)I know in IT are using firefox...this is clickbait..shame on you...this shows .poor character.

[@nowherebrain]

@MichaelDustter straightphobe

[@stam_ehad]

Seems pretty alive to me.

[@user-fy4rn9mf1p]

All of what you mentioned has very little to do with firefox is losing market share. Reality is google services are just too dominant, that's the main reason. People just use chrome because they use google, youtube, gmail, google docs etc.

[@CosmeBenito]

Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare. I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.

[@tuckersguitarfiasco]

Firefox is dead? Then how am I still watching this on Firefox?

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@muzafferturhan]

This guy is the state of texas incarnate

[@danielmajer1648]

Aaaannd my man has gone full-shave mode. Looking fresh!

[@jimw7916]

and how many "men" do you have?

[@danielmajer1648]

@@jimw7916 About four, but keep expanding the business. Wannabe the fifth?

[@thrackerzod6097]

Been using Firefox for over 20 years now, it and Mozilla are doing good in a market with extremely fierce competition.

[@fugiatnulla6072]

The only reason I still keep using Firefox on desktop is that Google is slowly baning ad blockers on chrome with changes like manifest v3.

[@cameronbosch1213]

That's not enough when Chromium browsers can still include good features like Manifest v2 or similar ad blockers in the browsers.

[@Dratchev241]

@@cameronbosch1213 You act like google don't control chromium.. they do. when google yanks v2 it WILL be yanked from chromium. Just like when YT was doing the stupid "you have ad block on" shit. I set up a test machine and the only browser it did not trigger on was firefox+linux

[@Winnetou17]

@@Dratchev241 From what I heard, Brave will continue to support v2 going forward (along with v3, of course)

[@Dratchev241]

@@Winnetou17 knowing "be evil" google. they will likely make it impossible in the code to use v2 once the v3 rollout happens. Again just like my test above, the only browser that didn't trigger the YT adblock crap was firefox on linux. ALL chromium based browsers did along with anything on winblows.

[@frankboyer1490]

What a weird take. Firefox needs to improve, sure, but thinking Brave is some champion of privacy is ridiculous. Same with the comments about Chrome's performance. Oh, and let's not forget how fun Manifest V3 is going to be.

[@wolframio_]

I was born in 2003, and my mom was (still is) a huge computer nerd, so the first pieces of technology i interacted with were Linux (Mint) and Firefox (Tux Paint too, obviously :p). I love Firefox, it has a special place in my heart, but as much as it pains me, i gotta agree with you, i have... epicurean tastes, in general, not just software, and Firefox it's just not good enough. I'm currently using Ungoogled Chromium and it runs well enough, even in my sh*tty low end 11 years old PC, and that says a LOT.

[@pkz420]

"Dead"? But... I'm using it to watch this video. That doesn't add up.