Why Green Growth does not work ? (Timothée Parrique)

[@LiebeGruesse]

2:00 To be frank, I would also highly be interested in arguments that support the hypothesis of “green growth is possible in theory” by any suitable measure of growth that would allow us to maintain overall value of existing assets and investments. Cause that is what will cause the trouble. Nobody argues that we can “grow” in whatever intangible ways forever. But will capitalism survive or not? Will there still be returns on investments? Or will we furthermore “invest” solely into minimizing the loss, once we take the environmental costs into account?

[@redberet5064]

The Voice was decoupled from the Video

[@MetabolismofCities]

The irony :)

[@tomschuelke7955]

I would very much like to have the link to those Metastydy that was mentioned in the beginning.. How can i convince with data people of the need of degrowth and that decoupling semms not to work.. ? Well of course i am allready convinced, but as lang as theres no data, theres no prove.

[@MetabolismofCities]

Hi Tom here is the meta study in question : Part I (iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab8429/meta) and Part II (iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab842a/meta). While the data exists for many years now, it is very hard to convince (some) people/organisation. I hope it will help in your case

[@LiebeGruesse]

@@MetabolismofCitiesHi, can you tell the title instead? The links are dead

[@tomschuelke7955]

Thanks for your answer and the link to the study. But the link has beennremoved. Any idea where to find the study elswehere?

[@MetabolismofCities]

Oops, ok here are the titles, you will find the article open access online : A systematic review of the evidence on decoupling of GDP, resource use and GHG emissions, part I: bibliometric and conceptual mapping A systematic review of the evidence on decoupling of GDP, resource use and GHG emissions, part II: synthesizing the insights

[@tomschuelke7955]

Well , i read a part of the mentioned Metastudy. But i am far away from beeing able to realy judge the quality of the metastudy or the underlying studies. So the question i think many people would ask me is the following. Now this study shows, that in the current progress of decoupling we only get relative decoupling. They would argue, as a friend of mine did, that many companys are about to now invest heavily in green techonlogies , Windenergy, Solar energy. What they think is that this would trigger never before seen change in technology. After looking to those studys, it seems heavily unrealistic, that absolute decouplilng would occure, but what do those studys tell about this?

[@MetabolismofCities]

Hi Tom, an interview with one of the authors of this metastudy is also available now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmquqaRnqrOChpo. He talks about the results of the study there.

[@tomschuelke7955]

@@MetabolismofCities thanks a lot thats great 👍😀

[@nwtfrancepourunnouveaumond3583]

Green growth based on GDP doesn't work, it does however tends to externalize the ecological impact in developping countries.

[@Macovic]

The energy and material consumption per capita is increasing. The world population has doubled in thirty years. That alone is a sign we are loosing the war of preventing huge climate change and despite our efforts so far. Imagine our consumption to tackle in another 30 years.

[@tobyphilpott9686]

All that flaysome chat and girning without even mentioning the dominant capitalist economic and political system (apart from a vague reference to the 'economic system" or "the economy") . Hopeless. Tell that to the Military Industrial complex.