Why High Sec Is NOT Safe 🛠️ Fix Your Fits

[@lorumerthgaming]

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[@dr.chocolatedonut1688]

I like the fix-your-fits concept, especially bc it’s based on destroyed ships. Hopefully this becomes a recurring thing across multiple ships/types of ships

[@lorumerthgaming]

THAT'S THE PLAN YAYA

[@crazycrentax]

I have a Charon which I fly with an alt that has no corp, and would still be nervous about carrying that value of inventory, even in hi sec. 1.5bil in a T1 hauler is beyond belief to me. I spend a lot of time in rookie chat and would be devastated if I thought anyone I was advising to move inventory would do this.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Right?? Haha

[@justinn5357]

I've been loving your videos so much. Not gonna lie you are kinda inspiring me to get into content creation. The positive vibes, the information, the life lessons with being okay with losing and learning from mistakes, and of course the "god blesses" like jeez man, well done.

[@Gossettc68]

Didn't catch all of it...But don't forget to mention " NO AUTOPILOT! " lol. And it's nice to see someone stand out the reactive armor hardener...That is by far one of my favorite low slot modules....Especially for 1v1 =)

[@lorumerthgaming]

Huge YEP Yessir on the RAH

[@Flarestar79]

There used to be an amarr camper who named one of his ships "tank your hauler". Wise advice!

[@lorumerthgaming]

Love that ha

[@Jake-f3o1q]

I think this would be a great series - I'm a returning player and am still getting used to some of the meta changes (which has resulted in me losing a few expensive ships). Would love to see a series like this to quickly learn from other's mistakes so we don't repeat them. Great stuff, mate!

[@lorumerthgaming]

Then you will love what's cooking 🍳

[@nebulasray1355]

When I see that Tayra I am reminded of the 125th Rule of Acquisition “You can’t make a deal if you’re dead.”

[@lorumerthgaming]

There it is

[@CMDR_Verm]

Loved the sense you talked about the DST. The terrifying thing is people use the same mentality on freighters. No DST or freighter ever aligns fast without help and most pilots don't have it, so face reality guys. Tank it! As far as that Tayra fit was concerned.....well carry on folks because if you fly around in crap fits like that my hauler is quite safe as you are distracting the gankers away. But I get your point Sir, you are trying to help. More people should be watching your videos. Good luck to you Loru, great video as ever.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Yaya for sure friend!!

[@brrt3678]

Praxis can fit about 5500m3 with lows full of cargo expander II or 4800ish with a single DCU for extra HP, and if fit properly can get maybe 60k hitpoints with a couple of shield mods: passive amplifier for every resist type, a couple of shield extenders and shield extender rigs. Gnosis works as well. If you are moving smaller very expensive cargo, a +resist on any T1 amarr or caldari cruiser or BC works as well for a few hundred m3 while fitting proper passive resist mods and extenders or plates with a couple of of inert stabs. The trick is, you don't look like a cargo hauler. Both options has an align times around 3-5 seconds depending on fit and skills, but you don't look like a hauler so they don't look at you.

[@lorumerthgaming]

great points!

[@jonathanbaker4361]

I can't speak to the validity of the wisdom, but it was also told to me if hauling, never to carry more than 5mil ISK per 1k EHP on your ship in HiSec to ensure killing you will not be "worth it" for the ganker. Because at the end of the day, if the gankers want to kill you, they will solve for their end of the problem, and all you can do is make yourself not worth it.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Interesting stat

[@andrewopenside3224]

This! If they want to kill you, you are dead. Your fit wont save you.

[@Nathan-jo8xj]

@@lorumerthgaming the validity of it depends - mainly on autopilot and the scale of ganker you're dealing with. Super small scale might be just using 1 or 2 accounts. They likely scan both autopiloters one way and non-autopiloters the other. So say you have an iteron that can tank one shot from the thrasher (gate guns would kill it before a second shot) and it carries 50mil. That's not worth wasting a cruiser on and a bigger scale ganker won't waste the time. HOWEVER, autopiloting? Suddenly, it's viable to use a catalyst. A small scale ganker who doesn't have many targets to begin with might see an average of 25mil drop with a 7-10mil cost worth it. You just bookmark the location the autopiloter will land and boom, it'll land at 0 on your cat. However, that same iteron would have been fine if it manually piloted. Anything more than super small scale wouldn't go for it unless SAFETY is bloodfrenzying in a system - but that's easily seen with intel such as zkill. That example with autopiloting goes for any ship. If you manually pilot, I have longer fire times and less damage overall. If you autopilot, you're landing in the middle of rapid firing, high damage weapons.

[@flarapediati]

The ONLY time I use that Tayra fit are for low range high volume transport as an alpha clone. I use it to ship stuff out of my wormhole and also to bring a ton of T1 frigates into Amamake with only one trip.

[@sacred_g]

11:58 is a good example of one of the golden rules of EVE, the 80/20 rule. That is 80% of the cost is in the last 20%. It's a big of a vague thing to explain, the easiest way is using skills as an example. It takes you 45,255 SP (18%) to get a rank 1 skill to level 4, but it takes an additional 210,745 SP(82%) for a total of 256k(100%) SP to get that rank 1 skill to 5. Once you know about this rule, you start to see it, a LOT. The cost of your fittings? That last 20% of your tank is taking up 80% of your costs, almost guaranteed. Another way of thinking about it. Come up with the best possible fit for your ship, what ever it is. You can do 80% of what that fit does for 20% the price if you buy the right modules.

[@Kenabukanyo]

Loru, i think this needs another KZbin channel.. :)) Fix your Fits is a special thing on its own.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Def special as heck

[@Infinityxero]

I've never been ganked in High-Sec, however I have always been ganked when going into Low/Null-sec.

[@Gossettc68]

No autopilot...And make sure your haulers are well tanked and your " Ganked in high-sec " percentage goes down dramatically. I too have never been ranked in high sec...But my T2 haulers are freaking lead bricks.

[@hikingphotog]

I appreciate trying to help the newbros out, your channel gets a little more love than mine. More of them need to understand basic fits. Your Occator would still get hit, but it would just take a few more Nado's if you were trying to haul 1.5b, only 100k EHP is still paper for 1.5b solo hauling. I just did a quick Occator fit and I was at 115k before overheating, clears 140k heated, but that's still what, half dozen Talos if they see you coming. Listed below. Now for the Tayra fit, yeah, they can be very thick, but you actually get more tank if you use power diags and reactors to extend your powergrid so you can fit another extender. But if you really want to max out your tech 1 hauler, go with either the Badger which gets over 68k unheated, or the Wreathe which can get over 66k unheated. Granted these require Tech 2 and cheaper faction mods, but if you want to haul 1b through highsec in a T1 hauler, might as well put 100-200m into a proper fit to protect it. I've got a couple videos on using these fits to make money from baiting gankers and selling their killrights (kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4TbgmlrpJuffqMsi=uFHvussOluJfNy45, kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4GkoJqfaKdjnq8si=IhpFXfuq5qCf2l_g). And finally, if you want to make them really earn it, you can fit up a Bustard, cheap'ish fit can get to almost 400k heated, but a little bit of bling can net you over 525k, which is more than a freighter. Cheap faction mods may seem scary, but some are really cheap and a great bang for the buck, esp if it gets you over that next 10k hump which is the typical max Nado hit. For those really lazy folks that insist on autopilot, you can actually get a Crow/Raptor 15k completely passive and it can easily take a Nado hit in the absolute best case for the Nado (sitting at optimal, not moving). [Occator, tank] 115k, 140k Heated 800mm Steel Plates II Damage Control II Kinetic Armor Hardener II Explosive Armor Hardener II Reactive Armor Hardener Multispectrum Energized Membrane II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender EM Shield Hardener II [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I ========================================== [Tayra, *faction tank Alpha] 45k, 54k Heated Damage Control II True Sansha Reactor Control Unit Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Reactor Control Unit Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Dread Guristas EM Shield Hardener Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II ========================================== [Bustard, Buffard] 277k, 392k Heated Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System Damage Control II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Dread Guristas EM Shield Hardener [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

[@guigolum]

when fiting DST, consider all active modules are off. If worth it, they will decloak you, point /scram you, then neut you in a single cycle of arma, then when the graphical "hardener" is off the nads which just landed one shoot you. All before concord can react.

[@hikingphotog]

@@guigolum Sounds like its making it a lot more complex and involved and expensive than just scan and F1... wasn't that the point? Even if they do neut the cap out in one go, the mod wouldn't turn off until its next cycle (in the case of hardeners, 12 seconds, aka, most of the duration of a gank), the recharge of the cap would easily allow the re-activation of lightweight modules like hardeners between neut cycles, and since you can pre-heat mods or even a whole rack, and you can activate mods faster than they can lock you... but in your scenario they'd have to have a neuting geddon on grid and in range to begin with, just on the chance they'd come across an active tanked ship that was too much for them. Otherwise they'd need to constantly be sacrificing another ship to keep you there while the next proper ship(s) arrived. The very specific scenario you are saying you should never bother expecting to use your active modules is rare and easily seen coming before it would become an issue. So go ahead, fit your ship that has a 100% bonus to overheating active modules with completely passive modules even though it makes it worse for the 99% of situations you'd actually encounter.

[@joaocamarajmc]

Loved the series!

[@lorumerthgaming]

Yayayaya

[@mylestubedayz5613]

I do the mwd cloak trick on the bustard and it works perfectly I fly it in low and hisec. I don’t transport high value items in it so even if I lost it it wouldn’t be too bad

[@joshfry4991]

Cool video! I'm a little bummed I didn't see the lowsec Occator. I would think most of us have to traverse unsafe space. I would imagine the guy in the killmail thought he had a fit that would serve him in unsafe space.

[@nullx8]

8:03 the MWD is 0-1 sec, that is the whole point of the MWD-Cloak trick! 16:19 reactive lows have little to no effect on alpha strikes, especially if attacked by multiple ships with different weapons/ammo (and they will), combined that you are a sitting duck for full 8 sec on EVERY GATE, i would not transport mindlinks in that as well, and prefer the one on the killmail instead, as that ship will be invisible when flown correctly. yours on the other hand can be scanned down on every gate with a corvette for 0 isk and a cargo scanner for 5000 isk. The trick to safely is to be invisible unless you can outtank 50+ Destroyers and or defend yourself which is not a thing in a ship like that. 16:33 if your align time is over 14+sec it will be very difficult to make the MWD-trick work with no implants and/or not-perfect skills, a inertia stab will compensate for this shortcomings making the difference between getting caught with guaranteed ship loss and going home safe, you can't just say "don't use" especially since you catering to beginners. 16:49 a nullifier for lowsec? for what? 17:12 Highsec+Viator = Pinata (somethings expensive by default) Viators in Highsec are Always targets. You of all people should know that since you lost a Viator in Jita right in front of the station with nothing in it. lastly (like i wrote in your freighter-web video too) never losing a ship and never getting shot at are not the same things.

[@Gbarbatos]

At some point will you make a video talking about the deep space transport of each faction and their fits? Since I don't know how I should fit my Bustard and Crane

[@lorumerthgaming]

a great idea :)

[@jameshealan2881]

100mil ISK is the point where you become worth sacrificing a ship, so keep that in mind. I know there's at least one fairly serious anti-ganker group out there, but they mainly just try to shield rep gank targets to help them survive. I don't understand why they don't simply follow the gankers around and suicide the wrecks before their hauler alt can warp down and scoop it up. All you'd need probably is an arty Rifter. Do that just a few times and the gankers will ragequit very quickly.

[@migulaichannel2934]

who said that this ocator was for hight sec? for me its looking like drifter wh runner P.S. You even didnt check related, it could be war time for him or anything else that isnt suicide

[@crowleon6174]

I'm less than 2 months in and I would never do that hauler fit. Jesus no tank at all just cargo? I feel too scared to do it just from base to base in the same system lol. I am glad that Loru is telling me to do what I thought was the best thing to do as far as tank is concerned. :)

[@Puhnu]

XD i personally feel like all high sec players should atleast try to play null sec. Game is so much deeper when you try it. High sec player never developes dscan /local usage aka understanding of surroundings missing important part of game.

[@rusin6992]

Hs life is just boring, low income, super hard to plex your account(s). Even renting space from ns alliance is more fun than ratting/mining whole day for 200m

[@Freedom_Half_Off]

You assume a lot of things . People can become so rich in hi-sec they can fund any venture they wish without ever considering the cost . It is at that point they explore what they want in Eve . The alternative can of course being a null-sec drone from day one but that has it's own pitfalls Eve is a very multifaceted game in ways even long term players miss . No one ever sees it all . 🔎

[@Puhnu]

@@Freedom_Half_Offvery true . We all live in our own bubbles

[@lorumerthgaming]

Big agree

[@Freedom_Half_Off]

@@Puhnu I spefically remember years ago when CCP played around with the Nul-sec local chat ... basically turning off local chat and making nullsec more like wormhole space . People in nullsec lost their minds . Wormholers thought it was great fun hearing them complain about the everyday experience for them . If there is anything in Eve worth playing ... it has to be what you want as a player . Some people like mining ... Go figure 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@SilverforceX]

So I joined a NS alliance 2 months ago, never got ganked once flying around haulers and planetary ships. Its amazing how much safer NS is, when you know who is blue, neutral & red in-sys, as well as coms alert on intruders in your region systems. Mining is so safe, unlike in HS with rampant ganking.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Def safer

[@Infinityxero]

I've never been ganked in High-Sec, but Low or Null-sec, every time at nearly every gate.

[@joemay5]

I've literally never been ganked in HS in the 15 years (on and off) I've played EVE

[@lorumerthgaming]

Bro is him

[@hikingphotog]

It's not hard to never been ganked hauling, and I used to wait for burn Jita's to get going before bringing my freighter into system with 10's of billions in the hold. Then you can always go the route I have and bait the gankers soooo often they get tired of failing and just blacklist you so you barely even ever get scanned. If my accounts were Omega there's a guy currently hitting DST's on Jita undock that I'd love to bait a few times and see how many ships he throws at it before he gives up, I think he's got 6 Nado's. Also be interesting to see if all his accounts hit on the same tick or if they are spread out, cause no way a single player can hit from multiple clients on the same tick unless they are using software, easy way to get someone banned too :)

[@Fi77on]

The Occator fit was clearly made for nullsec and more than likely came from or was going to it, not the best but suited his needs in nullsec space, i think Loru forgets about nullsec life the way he's talking about this, not everyone will switch ships or for a highsec specialised fit, tank dont matter in nulsec, moving fast does, your caught your dead no matter how much tank you have.

[@nebulasray1355]

This.

[@maglore2]

Love it, Keep em up !

[@scottstarkey4035]

My Mastadon AB Cap Stable fit - 151,302 ehp cold, 66.9hp/s shield boost | Heated - 203,094 ehp, 114.7 hp/s shield boost (with Nirvanas): [Mastodon, ] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Thukker Large Shield Extender Medium Ancillary Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Prototype 'Poncho' Cloaking Device I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Navy Cap Booster 50 x28 in cargo, 7 in module 429.3M Isk Shield resists: EM 91, Therm 86, Kin 78, Exp 82

[@LordAnubis85]

This fit will not save you from SAFETY or CODE or any other high sec ganking groups. They'll scan your fit and just adjust the number of catalysts they need to pop you if you go through Uedama or their other 0.5 systems they camp. That right there is why I run the cloak/mwd trick on my occator even in high sec. I make lots of trips between trade hubs and sometimes I even risk Ahbazon so I can fly between Jita and Amarr without spending an hour and a half gating through 60 systems.

[@lorumerthgaming]

You are never safe in EVE 😀

[@justsoicanfingcomment5814]

Hec fit sub 1 sec align time for small high value stuff is the only way to go.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Truly is

[@darkarcanum1814]

The last one...money transfer

[@lorumerthgaming]

ohhhh a good point

[@Anticortex]

and a fitt for an occator in low sec ? please

[@lorumerthgaming]

Soon my son

[@Fi77on]

@@lorumerthgaming can you do one for nullsec too? i'd love to see that

[@liamcooper5202]

If you do this correctly... mate, I had drones fly at me to pop my cloak before I could warp. Didn't even know you could fly them to a point in space without a target.

[@lorumerthgaming]

always a possibility

[@andreyradq6944]

the point of EM shield hardener is to close EM % gap. You just put multi hardener to get tiny increasing of already high kin/term/exp reses and still have that EM gap. It`s the worst choise, even extender would be better. It is not important just looks like the rule of diminishing returns has been broken here.

[@tacticoolrick5562]

Problem with rolling that slow aligning buffer through high, someone will scan you, and then they'll just bring enough shit to blap you if it's worth it. You need to cloak mwd so they can't scan you.

[@lorumerthgaming]

Then we gotta adapt

[@hikingphotog]

So then make it thick enough they'd have to bring more than the cargo is worth to make you explode... works for me. I don't flinch at putting 1b in my T1 haulers, and I've made quite a bit from selling the killrights of the failed attempts.

[@Nathan-jo8xj]

I only recommend MWD+Cloak tricks for those that will actually use it. And a lot of people are too lazy to even when they have it fitted. I think people need to have a moment of self reflection. Will you actually use it? Yes? Then fit it and use it. No? Then, hell, maybe event drop props all together and fit more tank.

[@guigolum]

@@Nathan-jo8xj there is no point using it if there is no dangerous ship on grid. Personally I fit my DST with MWD trick AND AB to reduce the align time. With T2 cloak you still need align mods, but even with 2 inertial stabs you are 12s to align to AB makes it 8.

[@Nathan-jo8xj]

@@guigolum problem with that is 99% of the time, things look safe. So if people only use it in danger, they fall into the muscle memory of just clicking the warp button. Not everyone but it happens quite a lot.

[@FlyNavy1271]

I don't know why everyone over complicates the MWD cloak trick. There is no need to precisely time 80 or whatever percentage of the prop mod end time. Simply let the pulse end. You have a good few seconds where you're at high enough velocity after the cycle ends. Once the prop cycle ends uncloak and hit warp. Stop worrying about timing it right. It's a no brainer. Let the damn cycle end then do your uncloak>warp.

[@lorumerthgaming]

It's easy yea

[@guigolum]

except it does not work on an occator without align mods.

[@robertschan8650]

Im specializing into the triglavian ship tree i can successfully operate everything up to the drekavac to 90% mastery i mainly mine and do P.I. i mostly like running trig ships for any combat but i often struggle with how to properly fit my ships for any combat scenario and i assume the triglavian ships are a bit different to fit compared to the main faction ship trees any tips or reference fits i could go off of for both pve and pvp for different purposes?

[@wademathews8251]

is it bad that i use my orca for my hauling?

[@Nathan-jo8xj]

depends on tank, value, whether autopiloting, and if there's a bloodyfrenzy going on in the system you're jumping into

[@chadnine3432]

Request! Tutorial on using interdiction nullifiers.

[@lorumerthgaming]

soon my son

[@teabaggin]

high sec has NEVER been truely safe unless you never undock..

[@lorumerthgaming]

There it is

[@Nathan-jo8xj]

Nathan19601 Deninard here - come on maaaan trying to keep on the DL 😢Great video though. Keep it up!

[@xasanth6318]

can't they just give me the ISK instead of giving it to gankers freely... still have a hard time making ISK as a newbie :D

[@gawwad4073]

You can just warp, cycle AB. Don't need to align

[@RetroLooter]

highsec hauling is legit 1,127 m3 max on my sunesis lol

[@lorumerthgaming]

There it is

[@RetroLooter]

@ I don’t take crazy chances haha 2 sec align is enough anything bigger and corp can haul it for me

[@wildannurm3739]

Low sec more scary thanks to those smartbomb campers

[@lorumerthgaming]

Truly

[@uhltide3]

As a fresh player to EVE, talking about 300mil as being cheap has me ☠️

[@user-qt6tb9xl2c]

I use to be a merc for public enemy had 6 billion drop off a pandemic hord healer with not fit

[@bigdogzone3177]

Anyone who carry such items in a ship like this is asking for it !

[@lorumerthgaming]

😉😉

[@logic-facts]

I don't see any fits to copy. I was gonna use your Occ fit.

[@spartan456]

That Occator is hilarious. I don't know how someone can understand that propulsion modules can change align time, yet think they also need to reduce align time on an armor tanked ship. Your Occator fit is very similar to mine actually! However, I use blinged TF out armor hardeners. I also don't use armor implants so the bling is kind of a requirement to bring it above 100k EHP. In regards to hyperspatials, I of course do not fit those on an Occator. HOWEVER, they do have a use with very particular ships and implants, they are definitely not useless in all situations. A Blockade Runner with a set of HG Ascendancy implants (and a WS-615 in Slot 6 because the Omega is ironically less powerful), plus hyperspatials? That sucker ZOOMS at 16AU/s. I can make a 40 jump round-trip journey between Lanngisi and Jita in about 15 minutes, less than 5 if I decide to cut through low. Hyperspatials really only make sense if you're using those implants, AND fitting them to a ship which already has a high bonus to warp speed. The bonuses are cumulative, and it definitely adds up to a good amount. But again, only really makes sense to stack them WITH the implants, otherwise there are far better rigs to use instead. I primarily use my Ascendancy clone, even on my mission-running ships. It sounds dumb and silly to fit Hyperspatials to a Vargur, but I do promise the time savings add up. Base of 3 is improved to 7. A warp speed nearly matching that of a covert ops frigate on a battleship is sick as hell, lol. Marauders clear missions so quickly I may as well be blitzing them, and when dealing with ~100AU warp distances, it for sure makes a difference in pure time savings. But I would never fit them to a DST, even when using my Ascendancy clone. Like you said, the point isn't to go fast, it's to survive. I am saving up for a Hydra clone so I can go absolutely nuts with a polarized Golem. FWIW, the Golem doesn't have Hyperspatials, lmao. That would be a bit too ridiculous. I don't mind it on the Vargur because, truth be told, I have no idea how falloff works and I've been flying that ship for like 5 years. Bastioned up and loading Barrage, with a falloff range of 116km, and I'm still somehow scoring consistent hits on targets at 126km, lol. I don't think the thing even needs any damage application rigs whatsoever, so the hyperspatials just make sense to me to use instead given the clone I primarily use.

[@guigolum]

Because the occator does not reach its 75% max speed under a cloaked MWD cycle.

[@terencelim3860]

i ones went afk for 8 hrs in a 8bil + in cargo and ship and nothing happen after a long day out. high sec is not safe is overrated 🤣😂

[@lorumerthgaming]

oof xD

[@AmpBeazy]

cov ops cloak and he would have never been killed. again activate cloak the secong u press warp and they will never see u on grid

[@guigolum]

can't covops on DST. You mean BR.

[@lorumerthgaming]

cant use a cov ops on a DST

[@AmpBeazy]

@@lorumerthgaming yea thats tha gal DST, i was thinking it was a blockade runner.

[@CurtisLutz]

Alpha’d by the marauder! Bad fit!

[@lorumerthgaming]

Lol

[@Viewable11]

Catastrophically bad advice from Loru. A DST needs agility modules and/or rigs to align faster than in 10 seconds. With an AB it is impossible to reach warp speed with the cloak. A MWD is mandatory.

[@traviskinchen2265]

If I recall correctly, he said he doesn't do the cloak trick with his Hi sec fit, just uses the cloak in safe spots. The AB is used to reduce time to warp. Everything else is to survive long enough for Concord to save your bacon. With 100k ehp and keeping the cargo low price enough, you make it "not worth it" to the gankers. Sort of like when I was in college and my shiny new bike with a thin cable lock got stolen from a campus bike rack, I learned the hard way and then only used an old and ratty looking (but good quality) bike on campus and locked it up with a really tough U-lock. Never lost that one, and not because it was too hard to steal - it just wasn't worth the effort. For other parts of space, a different fit, for sure. Can't comment on the actual DST that got ganked - maybe came out of a wormhole? Hard to say. o7

[@traviskinchen2265]

Welp. I may have mixed up the fits there regarding the amount of EHP, but I think the rest of it is valid.

[@lorumerthgaming]

nah

[@lorumerthgaming]

you dont warp cloak trick with an AB, you use the AB to one pulse and warp off with a sub 8 sec align (gotten from your afterburner skill)

[@Viewable11]

@@lorumerthgaming You warp nowhere when not cloaked, because you got tackled. You cannot warp if not aligned. DST aligns in 18 seconds without agility modules. AB is finished after 8 seconds. 10 seconds left to align. You die. Aligning and accelerating to warp speed while cloaked is only possible for maximal 10 seconds because the MWD cycle is 10 seconds. All ships that want to perform that need to be aligned in less than 10 seconds. It is possible to do a the AB+cloak trick with certain ships. A DST is not one of those.