Why History Tells Us the New York Knicks are in Trouble

[@Stormsurge037]

I trully question this criticism, Thibb's had no choice during the playoffs to go with the team he did 3 of his starter where injured during the regular season. Julius Randle shoulder injury occurred during an unnecessary overly aggressive play. Robinson always has issues with his ankles, OG always been injury prone, and Josh Hart abdominal injury was just a freak accident.

[@tyronejohnson8867]

@Stormsurge w/out the injuries Josh Hart wouldn't have had to play those minutes. Without dirty play from Embiid Robinson would have played vs. the Pacers. If people listen to what the Knick players say they'll tell you there are practices with only film work. But no the Thibs haters are as soft as today's Load Management supporters. Anyone who's every played in HS or college knows a Coach only trusts a few players and you gain time with exemplary practice play. That's a fact!

[@Stormsurge037]

@@tyronejohnson8867 facts

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

Randle’s injury occurred with the Knicks up 17 with less than 4:30 to go with the playoffs already guaranteed.

[@tyronejohnson8867]

The Knicks wanted the highest seed possible. They didn't just want a playoff "guarantee" they wanted the highest seed possible. That's what I would want. That's what that team wanted. If you're one of the "load management" types I feel bad for you.

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

@@tyronejohnson8867 nope. I DESPISE players who “load manage”. The words themselves hurt my ears and burn my eyes. But hey, you got that “higher seed” that you supposedly needed. How did that work out for the Knicks? Oh yeah, they had zero players left in the 2nd round. All of that, just to win ONE MORE PLAYOFF GAME than last year 😂👍🏻👍🏻

[@HeyYouSA]

I had a fully healthy Knicks team going to the finals.

[@andykakadjandyk2675]

Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Clippers, New Orleans all had major injuries this year... coaches fault?.. Larry Bird said "If you can't play 48 minutes you need to go home."

[@cmack7281]

You're the one who actually needs to go home 👉 🏠

[@tyronejohnson8867]

@andy I agree

[@tyronejohnson8867]

@cmack you are probably under 40 right??

[@cmack7281]

@@tyronejohnson8867 I'm a big giant 52-year-old kid who failed kindergarten and graduated high school at age 20 😁

[@tyronejohnson8867]

@cmark I like your response. Have a great Memorial Day.

[@jibraelnadela281]

i’m not worried. this injury crisis came at the wrong time. No Randle, Mitchell, Bogdanovic, then losing OG, Brunson, and Hart, plus some bench options meant that the roster was spread horribly thin. There was no choice but to play players insane minutes, because the alternative is jericho sims and shake milton. just add another capable bench player and take the off season to get back to full strength and it’s good. Things will learn from this humbling defeat

[@kennyblackbird5674]

I can only hope you're right.

[@NotTheWheel]

The Knicks I think are actually in a better place than they've been in a long time. Hopefully this performance and last year to an extent will make them more appealing to others as contenders. They got a good team mentality there in New York with die hard fans and they play with a lot of heart.

[@TheMaddogmvf]

🚨🚨🚨 Clickbait Alert This is the biggest false narrative. If you paid attention to this season, there's no way you blame Thibs. Clearly an outsider's opinion who doesn't follow the team, the front office or the games closely & works off headlines. SMH at the laziness of content creators these days.

[@And.One.Hoops1]

I guess you didn’t watch the whole video outlining the history of careers for players under Thibs as the concern for the Knicks going forward. No one is blaming freak accident injuries on Thibs. Listen better please

[@TheMaddogmvf]

@And.One.Hoops1 Oh, I watched the whole video & imo, it's not a true concern. I've watched every game since Thibs took over and, just my opinion, he's grown alot since Chi & Minnesota. He's learned how to play his bench, make adjustments & rest players if he needs to. My issue is with the narrative itself being played on mainstream media when this wasn't a concern the prior years of his Knicks tenure. But when a few freak injuries occur, the alarm bells start ringing from people outside NYC. Thibs earned his reputation in the past, no question. But he's not the same guy & he has the right players & the right front office behind him this time around. NYC loves coach Thibs & he's done a great job, is all I'm saying.

[@lasershow017]

The most important trait of being a coach is being able to manage egos

[@jakemiller194]

This vid would make sense if the Knicks injuries thru out the season were caused by time management. Dislocated shoulder(freak accident), elbow strain(freak), and now ur done 2 starters plus the 2 rotation players u got og for so yea gonna be a tight line up until u get bogey and burks, and then they suck at the start so can’t play them too much if u wanna win. Go into the playoffs w a 8 man rotation(which is pretty normal) but then boom 2 of those 8 get injured w a stepped on ankle and a laid on ankle(don’t rly see how time management helps that) so yea now ur done to what would’ve been a 6 man rotation from ur original 10 i understand y u play ur ppl a lot of minutes. To continue, lebron played 42 min a game 82 games a season his first 3 seasons, d rose played 37 min max. Can we recognize that maybe d rose was just injury prone. The only validity to a statement is that thibs plays his players too long in games that aren’t close, which I think is fair back in 2012, but today 15 point comebacks can and have happened in the last 5 min of game, I don’t necessarily agree keeping players in but I understand it

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

Every single person defending Tom keeps citing freak accidents. Well, he has had a SHOCKING amount of “freak accidents” occur at every single coaching stop he has had.

[@krash22mini72]

Tom stop defending yourself like KD

[@jcshippernyc]

​@@ianguarneschelli2082 I can't judge his past bc I didn't watch his results with other teams, but I just can't see blaming him this year. 🤷‍♀️

[@ComboBreakerHD]

that dvd logo looked like it was going to hit the corner and i'm a bit disappointed that i'll never know for sure

[@And.One.Hoops1]

😂😂

[@ModernDayRenaissanceMan]

It was going to hit. I know it in my heart.

[@KarlMalowned32]

I remember regularly chatting with friends about Jimmy Butler consistently playing all 48 minutes back in his Bulls days. Thibs still hasn’t realized running your starters into the ground is not a championship winning formula.

[@ZR-yo6yh]

No, you're wrong and this is an incredibly stupid video. - Randle dislocated his shoulder in a freak accident going full speed downhill while trying to avoid Jaime Jacquez Jr. who was drawing a charge. He was still in that game at that point because Miami was playing all of their starters (Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jacquez Jr, Adebayo) and they were trying to scrape out a win amidst a 5-game losing streak. - Mitch needed ankle surgery in another freak accident after he was flagrant fouled. He reaggravated his ankle and would need ankle surgery again after Embiid flagrant fouled him in the Philly series. - OG injured his hamstring on a fastbreak after he took an awkward, wrong step (another freak accident). He was also out for a chunk of the regular season after he had to have surgery to remove a bone spur (I'm sure Thibs was entirely responsible for that and magically gave him a bone spur just for fun). - Bogdanovic got hurt in a freak accident after Nic Batum fell on top of his leg while diving for a loose ball. - Hart got collided into 5 minutes into the first quarter of game 6 while jumping for a rebound, then reaggravated his abdomen again literally 2 minutes later while trying to box out on defense (another freak accident). - Brunson broke his hand in a freak accident while trying to swat the ball away from a 1 on 1 defensive fastbreak possession against Haliburton. You literally cannot blame a single injury entirely on Thibs and his decision to play our best players when we can trace literally all of said injuries to individual, freak accidents and not definitively to wear and tear from being 'overplayed.' Especially considering that as these freak accidents piled up, that meant that Thibs had no choice but to give more minutes to our best guys and run shorter 6-7 man rotations. Did you want Thibs to play the starting five only 25 minutes a game and give extended minutes to Jacob Toppin, DaQuan Jeffries, and Jericho Sims against Philly and Indy? Do you even know who those players are? Did you want DaQuan Jeffries trying to guard Maxey or Haliburton? Did you want Jericho Sims on Embiid or Siakim? Are you being intentionally dumb here? The Knicks' rotations and minutes distributions prior to Randle and OG going down in the regular season were objectively good with rarely anyone playing 36-40+ min a game (and this was with Mitchell Robinson and at the time Quentin Grimes being out too). Speaking of minutes, Donte DiVincenzo led the Knicks in minutes in his last 5 games (186 min). Anthony Edwards, in his last 5 games, has played 208 minutes WHILE BEING ON A FULLY HEALTHY WOLVES SQUAD. Where's the outrage there?

[@konzza]

​@@ZR-yo6yhYou're right. Great take. Playing for 48 minutes constantly, absolutely doesn't increase the fatique and possibilities of injuries. Also all the injuries for players coached by thibs are all just freak accidents. And yes. Never resting your players is a proven way to win championships. Just look at all those Thibs's rings. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[@nerosismuse3139]

@@konzza Thank you for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

[@konzza]

@@nerosismuse3139 Thank you for this absolutely vital contribution

[@jordandiaz7605]

this narrative is way overplayed. majority of the injuries were things you can’t help. he had no other choice to play heavy minutes, half the roster was injured already

[@ModernDayRenaissanceMan]

This team WAS deeper than the Pacific ocean. The freak injuries were already there before this crisis. Context matters. Im not worried because the first domino was a dislocated shoulder by Randle who should be traded anyway. We play better without him. This caused the PF/C core to be overused & Mitchell Robinson got hurt. That meant Hart had to be used more. OG was already hurt before he got to us & if you watch the games he always looks gassed out there. Drinking his red Gatorade & leaning to the side like he is about to die. So I knew conditioning was an issue for him. Jordan never looked like that. He needs to hit the gym! Brunson hurt his hand which has nothing to do with minutes & his leg had to do with landing on someone which happens all the time & was bad luck. Bogey was battling his injury all year even before he came to the knicks. Its kinda why we got him so cheap. This is all being blown out of proportion. See you in the finals next year!

[@shyrusangoluan5509]

if the coach of the team is Thibs then 100% guarantee that the players will be injury prone in the future,

[@jtspector7781]

Look we can blame Thibs for overplaying his players, but then again the Bucks the Clippers the Heat and I guess the Sixers all weren’t healthy.

[@jtspector7781]

And the Cavs even the Celtics

[@haroldfernandes9023]

Thankyou, as a Knick fan I got caught up in the season but this view from your pragmatic lens makes sense. It does because as a math guy I live in the predictive analytics space and as we say ‘history always repeats itself’. Given the trend of his past…and current coaching methodology it is Tibs and Tibs alone who should do some soul searching and bend. I hope he does for his sake, the players and the city.

[@And.One.Hoops1]

I think Thibs has gotten better overall when it comes to his time management, but the data doesn’t suggest a good future for these Knicks players

[@citizenx3801]

Wasn’t there a poll of former and nba players asking Which coach would you least like to have? It was clear. No one wants to play for Thibs.

[@SpeedHomeAttack]

No one wants to play for him, yet he isn’t one of those coaches constantly being fired. How many coaches has LA and Milwaukee gone through recently? Yet Thibs is the one everyone hates? Funny how that works

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

@@SpeedHomeAttack Thibs isn’t fired because he was hired by Leon Rose, a CLOSE friend and Thibs former agent. The Knicks are run by pure nepotism. That’s why I hung up my Knicks fandom for good. I thought Leon was doing well. Then I realized he is there solely to get all of his buddies paid. All about the $$$. Winning comes secondary to Mr 🌹.

[@patrickthomas4934]

Tibs team could be up by 20 with 4 minutes to go..he would still have the starter in the game..risking them getting hurt..he just don't know when to use his bench..

[@citizenx3801]

@@patrickthomas4934 that’s his history that repeats itself. The only reason Thibs played McBride, Hart, and others is because all the starters were injured. It’s not that Knicks aren’t deep, it’s that he doesn’t play them unless his he’s desperate. And you can see the scowl on his face when he subs.

[@tyronejohnson8867]

@citizenx I wouldn't be putting any stock in what today's soft players say. That opinion is due to the fact that many of today's athletes are entitled and coddled.

[@Kidmonger]

Thank you for saying this bro.

[@hilriekemp]

Luol Deng, Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and now the Knicks players smh. This man runs his players into the ground and their bodies start breaking down before the age of 33 it's madness. This man has no busines being a head coach, he's an excellent defensive coordinator but he needs extremel oversight.

[@nerosismuse3139]

Jimmy Butler has had a healthy career overall, to include him is just being disingenuous. Everyone forgets Derrick Rose had the worst landing forms and biomechanics of any star-level athlete. He was a walking injury waiting to happen regardless of his coach. Luol Deng had a good twelve year career, the idea of a power forward/center declining in their early thirties is not unheard of and its absurd to put that on Thibs (plus his conditioning wasnt the best). Another player everyone loves to mention: Joakim Noah, whos play-style was just as reckless as Derrick Rose and would often get injuries not related to wear and tear.

[@hilriekemp]

@@nerosismuse3139 are you serious Thibbs was playing those guys hard in practices. They rarely got days off to rest and his players lead the league in minutes played especially Deng and Jimmy Butler. And speaking of Jimmy Butler dude's body has been slowly breaking down especially in the playoffs where he's always been hurt. And what's the sign of an over played player lower body injuries of which all his players have suffered from. Only a blind man would try and make excuses for Tom's complete lack of regard for his players health and wellbeing. There's literally a body of evidence that suggests otherwise

[@nerosismuse3139]

@@hilriekemp Are YOU serious? You’re ignoring the fact that Chicago had the worst training staff in the league at the time as if that didn’t contribute to any of these issues. I notice you’re not mentioning any of the players on the Timberwolves because none of them had those issues. You’re not mentioning Taj Gibson who played for Thibs the majority of his career and was productive until his mid 30s, KAT who played under Thibs with no issues and you mention Butler as if 35 year olds don’t start slowly breaking down. Y’all keep parroting these talking points from the media without actually looking into what was going on with these franchises or these players at the time.

[@hilriekemp]

@@nerosismuse3139 it's the training staff's fault that's you're excuse? Lol man that's utterly ridiculous every team's training staff values what's best for the organization over the players that's why the NBAPA always recommends that you always get a second opinion. I'm done this is nothing but an exercise in futility lol. The fact that you're really trying to defend this dude is utterly baffling to me. But hey this is just one ignorant opinion smh. The consensus is already out on this guy and there are KZbin Drs and analytics that have already echoed my sentiment

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

@@hilriekempyou know Thibs defenders are DESPERATE when they start using players’ “landing forms and biomechanics” as an excuse 😂😂😂😂! You can’t make this s**t up! 😆😂🤣🤣

[@notperfect101]

I'm not convinced. Picking examples like that doesn't really tell us anything. Unless you can provide a statistical analysis about how minutes played correlate with injuries over a large sample size, it's just speculation. You'd have to prove that other coaches/teams/players that consider load management etc. actually have fewer injuries to deal with. I think it's quite unfair to blame injuries on the coach based on some superficial analysis without real substance. Also, if someone leads the league in minutes played like in the examples you gave, that means they were basically not injured at all. Be careful how you draw conclusions from data.

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Why doesn't every coach just play their 5 best players every minute of every game then? 🤔🤔🤔 Your argument is literally that human beings don't have limits and muscles don't get injured after wear and tear.

[@itzlucaaa6789]

The Clippers and Pelicans always have half their roster on the IR by the end of the year and nobody blaming Tyronn Lue or Willie Green for injuries. Lazy take. Also OG’s weakness was being injury prone to begin with THATS why all we had to give up was RJ Barrett and Quickley to get him

[@arthurwatt5162]

You have to possess a deep bench to win a title and luck.

[@cheap272]

Tibbs out there tryna kill josh hart

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

A team coach by Thibodeau won't ever be healthy.

[@Austin-l1j]

Prior to injuries they weren’t playing 36-40 minutes very seldomly. You just didn’t watch. Thibs is a great coach.

[@urbaindelva7869]

​​@@Austin-l1jNot one is saying that he isn't. His time management is the question mark.

[@AsianVideoGamer]

Jaylen Brunson starting to look more and more like Derrick Rose

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

He’ll be on his 8th team in 2041 and people will still be saying “Thibs is an AWESOME coach! It’s just bad luck! Injuries happen!”. D E N I A L

[@taxationistheft7]

Bros torn an acl every team he’s been to, watch out New York🤣

[@chronoxiong]

This is why I was hoping a front office will not let him Coach again. But the Knicks GMs had to give him that chance. I wont be surprised if many of these players breakdown in a few years.

[@7ailure]

Julius Randle dislocated his shoulder when the Knicks were up 17 with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter. That's all Thibs fault

[@And.One.Hoops1]

A very Thibsian thing to do

[@gardenstateknicks]

​@@And.One.Hoops1 I saw a random nuggets game where they were up 17 with about 3 minutes left. Jokic and murray were still in

[@taylorsilver2566]

@@gardenstateknicksthey won a chip last year tho

[@jj47k.]

​@@taylorsilver2566You can't do that. Hypocrite mindset.

[@pyrrhicvictory5844]

The Heat had all their starters in though

[@rolandchestnut9076]

UNTIL THE KNICKS SOLVE THE INJURY PROBLEM AND THE MYSTERY BEHIND THESE INJURIES THE KNICKS WILL NOT BE GOING ANYWHERE. I THINK JIM DOLAN IS KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON TIBBS THIS SEASON

[@MrNicong]

The players need to take notice and protect their bodies

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

Tom Thibodeau has the worst time management in NBA history.

[@Austin-l1j]

Bad take who’d you want him to play? Jericho sims for 40 minutes? Alec burks for 40 minutes? Had they been healthy and had their depth his starters and bench players wouldn’t have played as much.

[@chrisarends8308]

What?? It’s not just about that series where players got hurt, those players got hurt because he was killing them in the regular szn w their rotation. I know this cuz I’m a bulls fan and that’s exactly what happened with us.

[@michaeldennis5382]

Yea, he kills his starters, won't play young players and doesn't manage time right. 35 - 40 minutes a game is crazy. 7-8 man rotation. ....yikes

[@konzza]

​@@Austin-l1j Huh? So your good take is that there isn't anything betweet playing Jericho Sims for 40 minutes and Thibs 6 man rotation? There is a middle ground between the exteremes.

[@atrikillershark]

his rotation was 7-8. and thats with all the injuries. if healthy at least 60% of the starters this whole playoff run would have been the bench.​@@konzza

[@Dribblinho]

So what you’re telling me is that Thibs is cursed 🤷🏾‍♂️? Not a good injury history

[@mr.kwamid-86_43]

Players need to speak up!

[@theshoeologist4485]

Editing is on point 👌

[@alexandermunoz7783]

This is dumb lol so did Dame play too many minutes in his career? Kawhi ? Paul George? Giannis ? Zion? Anthony Davis ? Ben Simmons ? Lamelo? Embiid ? Oladipo ?

[@And.One.Hoops1]

You're completely missing the point

[@alexandermunoz7783]

@@And.One.Hoops1 you’re point is that long minutes is what gives him success but also leads to injuries - and I’m saying that’s dumb - Memphis Grizzles had a record 13 players injured on their roster this season, did Taylor Jenkins get blamed? do you even know how many minutes he played his players? Do you know other coaches in the NBA that play there players a lot of minutes like Thibs? You can do a video of how many minutes Nick Nurse, Billy Donavan, Jeff Van Gundy, Stan Van Gundy play their players - Thibs only gets this heat because of Derrick Rose in which Rose even blames himself for the way he use to play would cause injury, he was way too explosive of a player (just like Zion) it’s not sustainable

[@ronniepajas1872]

Randle got hurt with the knicks up 14 this season as well

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Yeah, I remember that. Crazy

[@TruDawg7]

@@And.One.Hoops1and there was enough time on the clock (5min?) to allow a comeback. What people don’t understand is that this isn’t the 90’s anymore. 10-15 point leads aren’t safe as they used to be. For all you know, Randle could’ve gotten subbed out in a minute or two. “thibs hurts his players” is a surface level argument

[@bigserg8544]

17 points is 6 threes. A shot clock is 24 seconds. 6 x 24 = 144. 144 seconds is 2 minutes and 24 seconds. So, in the modern NBA, you can lose a 17-point lead in 2 minutes and 24 seconds. Mathematically, the game isn't over with a 17-point lead with 4 minutes to go. With the leaguewide increase to 3-point marksmanship no lead is safe. That's why Randle was still in the game. At the 2 minute mark a 17 point comeback is mathematically impossible.

[@ronniepajas1872]

@@bigserg8544 it also give your bench a chance to play and develop. Duece can develop some point skills, jericho sims looked like a deer in head lights. Not just getting your best player hurt, but developing your bench with season minutes.

[@baqarali9278]

Some injuries are just pure bad luck, and have nothing to do with the “rest factor.” Robinson, Randle, Bogey, OG, and Brunson (in that order) were all just freak injuries. Josh Hart’s is the only one I’d argue came as a result of all his mins, and even then he got hit in the sides in game 6. This is not a Thibs issue all the time, it’s simply bad luck. Next take

[@urbaindelva7869]

It's not a Thibs issue all the time, but you can't act like his time management has no bearing on certain occasions. Yeah, Randle's shoulder injury was a freak accident. But why was he still in the game when the Knicks had it firmly in hand? If the Heat had been rallying to come back, it would've been understandable, but they weren't. How do you know that Hart didn't have abdominal pains before he was hit in the sides in Game 6? That hit, combined with the minutes already on his legs, could've just exacerbated what was already there. Thibs is not to blame for all of the injuries, but how many other coaches coaches in the league have this happen on their watch as often as him? Out of the players you just named, Robinson is the only one who is known to be injury-prone.

[@baqarali9278]

@@urbaindelva7869let’s dive deeper into that Randle injury since you seem to have turned into an MD all of a sudden. 17 point game, 4:35ish to go in the fourth quarter. Go look who’s on the floor for Miami. I know you won’t, so I’ll tell you: Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jacquez Jr, And Adebayo. Are you, with a straight face, going to tell me that Miami wasn’t trying to win that game? I could get into how Miami had lost 5 straight at that point, and that they were DESPERATE to get a win, but I won’t. Also, do your research instead of making poor takes. OG has had his share of injuries with Toronto too. NEXT!

[@urbaindelva7869]

​​@@baqarali9278Save the attitude for somebody who has patience for it. You wanna correct me? Fine, but miss me with that "NEXT" shit. I forgot about OG's injuries in Toronto. My bad on that. I didn't point out who Miami had on the floor because I was only focused on Randle. Fair enough. Miami was trying to win the game, but they also could've done that by-Idk-playing better throughout the game? You could argue that they would've started to come back if Thibs had taken the starters out, but then again, they probably wouldn't have. If they had started to come back in that situation, Thibs would've just put the starters back in, no? Also, the Heat were one of the worst offensive teams in the league this season, so coming back from down 17 was gonna be hard them no matter who was on the floor.

[@Smido83]

@@baqarali9278 "OG has had his share of injuries with Toronto too" Exactly... so lets play him 45 minutes untill he gets injured again! Great strategy. Look Randle/Brunson were not on Thibs. Robinson was allways injury prone and Bogdanovic didnt play much at all. Those are not on Thibs. But its just true, that he runs Players into the ground untill their bodies break. Look at Buttler, who just cant stay healthy anymore. One reason is all the minutes Thibs put on his body when he was younger. Or like they said in the Video. He used Deng and Noah untill their bodies were done, and he is doing the same to Brunson/Hart/OG/Randle right now. If noone stops him, they all wont be able to physically compete in 2 years tops.

[@isaacdagoat2169]

@@baqarali9278if you can’t hold a 17 point lead for 4 mins to win a game then you’re just Bad. Dude was right Randle had no business being in the game . And idk what you’re talking about OG hurt his hamstring . What does that entail? That entails that he was playing to many minutes (which he def was) and he got hurt. CAUSE OF THIBS. Robinson got hurt by embiid not the coaches fault or bojan because again that was a freak accident but to sit here and not see thibs track record is just being delusional

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

People really act like every NBA team should just play 5 guys every game the entire season 900 minutes and tell them to tough it out 😂 injuries and managing human physical limits is part of athletics whether you like it or not

[@flmacphee1158]

lol they're in trouble because OG is not going to resign, and they overachieved this year. They are just the hawks from a few years ago

[@agentsuperargo5023]

Urban Legend...stop

[@mcmc-o9w]

As much as thibs is to blame for DRose's demise. DRose himself have bad habits in conditioning and technique that didnt help his case.

[@ericrodriguez1819]

Such a lazy take

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Thanks for your opinion

[@TayTayKemp]

Your comment is a lazy take

[@SpeedHomeAttack]

This just proves yall blindly hate Thibs and will blame him for everything. 90% of the injuries the Knicks dealt with would’ve happened whether or not Thibs adjusted their minutes. Why? Because they were fucking contact injuries. “Why was Randle still in the game” maybe because Miami had all of their starters still in the damn game trying to make a comeback tf.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Considering that the Heat were one of the worst offensive teams in the league and the Knicks were one of the best defensive units, their comeback would not have seemed likely.

[@kylec2761]

3:24 It doesn't beg the question. It raises the question.

[@kylec2761]

6:05 seasons that succeeded, not proceeded

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Begs the question is the proper use there. But yeah, I meant to say succeeded not proceeded. Whoops

[@Daniel-le3gl]

@@kylec2761imagine going to a party with you

[@And.One.Hoops1]

😂😂

[@Jeffeichner]

Scary video and compelling & disappointing

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Scary?

[@Dasupavillain]

Who are you bro? Real Nyers ride with coach Thibs, this is the culture nyers were asking for and he has built it. Stop putting that narrative out there on Thibs.

[@Benkuchipudi23]

You’re actually a casual if you think all these injuries are thibs fault

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Ah yes the “you’re a casual” take. Such a thoughtful response

[@ZR-yo6yh]

@@And.One.Hoops1 Yes you are a casual and this is a stupid video. According to you, it's Thibs' fault that: - Randle dislocated his shoulder in a freak accident going full speed downhill while trying to avoid Jaime Jacquez Jr. who was drawing a charge. He was still in that game at that point because Miami was playing all of their starters (Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jacquez Jr, Adebayo) and they were trying to scrape out a win amidst a 5-game losing streak. - Mitch needed ankle surgery in another freak accident after he was flagrant fouled. He reaggravated his ankle and would need ankle surgery again after Embiid flagrant fouled him in the Philly series. - OG injured his hamstring on a fastbreak after he took an awkward, wrong step (another freak accident). He was also out for a chunk of the regular season after he had to have surgery to remove a bone spur (I'm sure Thibs was entirely responsible for that and magically gave him a bone spur just for fun). - Bogdanovic got hurt in a freak accident after Nic Batum fell on top of his leg while diving for a loose ball. - Hart got collided into 5 minutes into the first quarter of game 6 while jumping for a rebound, then reaggravated his abdomen again literally 2 minutes later while trying to box out on defense (another freak accident). - Brunson broke his hand in a freak accident while trying to swat the ball away from a 1 on 1 defensive fastbreak possession against Haliburton. You literally cannot blame a single injury entirely on Thibs and his decision to play our best players when we can trace literally all of said injuries to individual, freak accidents and not definitively to wear and tear from being 'overplayed.' Especially considering that as these freak accidents piled up, that meant that Thibs had no choice but to give more minutes to our best guys and run shorter 6-7 man rotations. Did you want Thibs to play the starting five only 25 minutes a game and give extended minutes to Jacob Toppin, DaQuan Jeffries, and Jericho Sims against Philly and Indy? Do you even know who those players are? Did you want DaQuan Jeffries trying to guard Maxey or Haliburton? Did you want Jericho Sims on Embiid or Siakim? Are you being intentionally dumb here? The Knicks' rotations and minutes distributions prior to Randle and OG going down in the regular season were objectively good with rarely anyone playing 36-40+ min a game (and this was with Mitchell Robinson and at the time Quentin Grimes being out too). Speaking of minutes, Donte DiVincenzo led the Knicks in minutes in his last 5 games (186 min). Anthony Edwards, in his last 5 games, has played 208 minutes WHILE BEING ON A FULLY HEALTHY WOLVES SQUAD. Where's the outrage there? You are an intellectually lazy, uninformed, wannabe-NBA know-it-all who doesn't actually know anything about the Knicks but pretends to have the knowledge of actual Knicks fans because he follows mainstream lolknicks narratives and wants the easy views to dogpile on top of a team he has no understanding of.

[@ZR-yo6yh]

​@@And.One.Hoops1 Yes you are a casual and this is an incredibly lazy video. According to you, it's Thibs' fault that: - Randle dislocated his shoulder in a freak accident going full speed downhill while trying to avoid Jaime Jacquez Jr. who was drawing a charge. He was still in that game at that point because Miami was playing all of their starters (Rozier, Herro, Butler, Jacquez Jr, Adebayo) and they were trying to scrape out a win amidst a 5-game losing streak. - Mitch needed ankle surgery in another freak accident after he was flagrant fouled. He reaggravated his ankle and would need ankle surgery again after Embiid flagrant fouled him in the Philly series. - OG injured his hamstring on a fastbreak after he took an awkward, wrong step (another freak accident). He was also out for a chunk of the regular season after he had to have surgery to remove a bone spur (I'm sure Thibs was also entirely responsible for that and magically gave him a bone spur just for fun). - Bogdanovic got hurt in a freak accident after Nic Batum fell on top of his leg while diving for a loose ball. - Hart got collided into 5 minutes into the first quarter of game 6 while jumping for a rebound, then reaggravated his abdomen again literally 2 minutes later while trying to box out on defense (another freak accident). - Brunson broke his hand in a freak accident while trying to swat the ball away from a 1 on 1 defensive fastbreak possession against Haliburton. You literally cannot blame a single injury entirely on Thibs and his decision to play our best players when we can trace literally all of said injuries to individual, freak accidents and not definitively to wear and tear from being 'overplayed.' Especially considering that as these freak accidents piled up, that meant that Thibs had no choice but to give more minutes to our best guys and run shorter 6-7 man rotations. Did you want Thibs to play the starting five only 25 minutes a game and give extended minutes to Jacob Toppin, DaQuan Jeffries, and Jericho Sims against Philly and Indy? Do you even know who those players are? Did you want DaQuan Jeffries trying to guard Maxey or Haliburton? Did you want Jericho Sims on Embiid or Siakim? Are you being intentionally dumb here? The Knicks' rotations and minutes distributions prior to Randle and OG going down in the regular season were objectively good with rarely anyone playing 36-40+ min a game (and this was with Mitchell Robinson and at the time Quentin Grimes being out too). Speaking of minutes, Donte DiVincenzo led the Knicks in minutes in his last 5 games (186 min). Anthony Edwards, in his last 5 games, has played 208 minutes WHILE BEING ON A FULLY HEALTHY WOLVES SQUAD. Where's the outrage there? You are an intellectually lazy, uninformed, wannabe-NBA know-it-all who doesn't actually know anything about the Knicks but pretends to have the knowledge of actual Knicks fans because he follows mainstream lolknicks narratives and wants the easy views to dogpile on top of a team he has no understanding of.

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Bro wrote me a novel…twice

[@ZR-yo6yh]

@@And.One.Hoops1The only thing worse than being a casual is being an arrogant casual who refuses to engage at all with a conflicting viewpoint. That’s you btw bro, you literally know nothing about the Knicks.

[@jamiexiv]

Wrong + didnt ask

[@ronaldporter8164]

This is pure bullshit.

[@ianguarneschelli2082]

Little Jalen is so screwed, lol. Dead man walking!

[@Pango5697]

This clip is a waste of time

[@tyronejohnson8867]

What I love about this video is that the Thibs haters have a calmer gentler voice.

[@And.One.Hoops1]

I'm glad I could waste your time

[@SanMan2k5]

Delete your account

[@And.One.Hoops1]

Nah, I’ll keep doing my thing. Thanks. Cry

[@urbaindelva7869]

Either you do it, or shut up.

[@Adog00]

The Knicks suck lmao😭😭😭

[@Austin-l1j]

A 50 win team sucks with starters and bench players injured? You don’t make any sense.

[@pyrrhicvictory5844]

Made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years, including back to back 2nd round appearances that lasted at least six games...they suck though 🤔

[@bezllama3325]

Unless the Knicks get a new number 1 (brunson is too short) then they aren't going to win

[@And.One.Hoops1]

To an extent I agree, but I don't think that's their man issue preventing them from winning

[@bezllama3325]

@@And.One.Hoops1 from winning a title, Yes, but from getting to the conference finals, I agree with your point

[@salvulcano8300]

Shortie was averaging 40* for 5 straight playoff games. He’s in the company of Micheal Jordan. He’s not the reason the Knicks didn’t advance in the playoffs. Poor take

[@pyrrhicvictory5844]

So if Brunson was 6'5 and everything else was the same, they'd be headed to the finals? 🤔 He averaged over 30 in the playoffs, if he wasn't "too short" would he have averaged 40?

[@pyrrhicvictory5844]

​@@And.One.Hoops1So do you think the Knicks should jettison Brunson for someone who is taller? If Brunson was 6'6 would that have made any difference with the roster he had around him?