Why I am a Cessationist and Left the Charismatic Movement - Pastor Patrick Hines Podcast

[@louisekord9790]

Since God took us out of the Charasmatic/Pentacostal church and placed us in a biblical church teaching expositorily we are now growing and instead of cherry picking verses I now read my bible whole chapters. I see the Holy Spirit in our church and in their lives and am now longer up and down in my walk with God. It's a steady growth now assured of our Salvation. We sing Hymns which are deep in Doctrine of the bible.I am also seeing another Jesus sung in the new contemporary worship songs. Spencer smith on KZbin explains s in depth about this. They are other gods, new age mysticism in the church and kundalini jerks.

[@RyanGazling]

Thank you. This is very encouraging among the unfortunate rhetoric of today's masses ✝️

[@orangeandslinky]

You make a very good point. If the Holy Spirit is the main thing talked about in church, It may be totally fake. The Holy Spirit does not testify of Himself. He points you to Jesus so you can get the gospel and learn of the way of escape from hell. Very good point.

[@orangeandslinky]

@@susanthroop1279 Then why don't we ever see even one sign or wonder that Jesus did? I was in the Charismatic movement for 22 years and never saw one miracle that a believer or unbeliever would say was a bible miracle. I was a total believer in signs and wonders too. Signs and wonders are for the unbeliever and I never seen even one that would make an unbeliever in God re think their unbelief.

[@williammarran5068]

​@orangeandslinky I have seen and heard demons cast out. If that's real why not healing and miracles? Yes, there is the fake but only as counterfeit to the real

[@davidworth572]

This was a refreshing watch. It popped up on my feed and I’m glad I watched. I came to reformed theology during the pandemic (there was lots of time for reading and study) and realised too that I was a cessastionist. Your testimony is a great encouragement.

[@888hereandnow]

What does a cessationist believe?

[@toddnetland366]

Five-Point Calvinism is pure poison as is Eternal Security.

[@carolpagotto5395]

My sin unfortunately went through about the same as you ,same age and even though I sent him reformed books over 25 yrs. and lately Cessationist podcasts and talked to him, he lately has doubled down and won't engage with me anymore about theology. Can only keep praying God in his mercy will open his eyes to the truth. Writing from Australia.

[@artistchristos]

I realise that you meant your son, and that you made a typo, after I read this three times!

[@valeriehancock1724]

Continue to pray for him. I know it’s hard to see your loved ones so deceived. I still have family and friends in the Pentecostal denominations, and I they won’t listen to the reformed links I send them. They tend to dig their heels in any more and think I’ve lost my mind and are concerned about me.

[@JimiSurvivor]

The Ante-Nicene Christians reported revivals of the 1 Corinthians 12 gifts all the way until the 5th Century. Even Augustine, the father of Reformed theology believed the gifts CONTINUED and wrote about clearly it in "The City of God" as well as his book "Retractions."

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

Pentecostalism is a cult. They brainwash people into believing lies.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@JimiSurvivor Augustine retracted his belief in libertarian free will. It is one thing to believe that God can supernaturally work miracles and quite another thing to believe that you can will to do miracles.

[@jamesdownham6417]

Brilliant pastor ! Beautifully and honestly explained . Many years ago as a late teen , I was trapped into beliving much of the charismatic " mumbo jumbo . " Praise God that I saw the light , and I am now 100 % on the right road . Bless you and your ministry .

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

That's a blessing to hear. Praise the Lord for getting you out of that mess.

[@caroleimani9754]

I was in a Church in the 1970's and the Pastor there had some connections with the Latter Rain Movement... I'm still not exactly sure what they believed...I think they believed in (an adapted) Seven Mountain Mandate (like Bethel)...I remember that the Pastor wanted us (the Christians) to try to take over the political arena in Oakland... Eventually we were supposed to take over everything...Then Jesus could come back...

[@caroleimani9754]

What is the Latter Rain Movement? My former Pastor had some connections with that...I was a baby Christian when I was there and I didn't really understand it...This was in the1970's❤🙏💙

[@caroleimani9754]

Sorry that I left 2 messages...I am not "tech savvy."😮

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

I also used to follow Swaggart but stopped when I left the whole charismatic pentecostal fallacy

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

This is Pastor Patrick Hines here. My goodness… did any of my critics actually watch this whole video? Good grief.

[@orchidsnviolets]

Thank you for sharing this Pastor Patrick Hines. So much to say that is similar to your story. So many questions answered. Key words “the focus on Jesus” is a huge thing that gets missed in churches. The focus should be on the gospel. Not us, not a movement, not experience, not how to live a better life now…. Jesus, who he is, how he taught, what his focus was on, and what the focus should be. He pointed everything to His Father and mentioned he obeyed his Father- Father God the Creator. Pride is absent.

[@sharpdyranda]

Your channel just pop up on my computer so it caught my eye and i began to watch thank you so much for sharing this is very interesting and i have to say well spoken as well as i have been in same experienced in the past and away from all that now going on two years now i thank God for saving me God bless you sharing this with everyone who will listen

[@ChristisLord]

Thank you so much! May God bless you as well.

[@JohnvonLovehq743]

​@@ChristisLordHow You Can Have Eternal Life ! Realize you are a sinner being sorry. Sin is lying, evil thoughts, lust,etc. Therefore, do not trust in your own works to go to heaven because you realize, being a sinner, you cannot offer the perfect blood sacrifice that God requires to pay for sin. Instead, believe, meaning fully trust, that in Christ's love for you, on the cross, His one perfect blood sacrifice, when Christ bled, suffered and died, in your place, paid for your sins in full, past, present and future ! Believe that Jesus rose from the dead ! Believe Jesus is God Almighty, God the Son, alive for evermore ! And believe that the sinless blood of Jesus Christ is what cleanses you from all sin, which purifies your soul ! Then the Lord Jesus will forgive you,save you from hell and give you eternal life ! And you will be sealed with the Holy Spirit who will dwell within you forever! And thank Jesus ! Rom.3:25,5:8,9,10:9, Is.53:5,6, II Cor.5:21, Ephes.1:7,13,4:30, Heb.10:14,38,39, I John 1:7, 5:7,13,20

[@Rassadiki]

There is a "spirit" that exists in many of these modern day churches today that is not the Spirit of God. In fact, I don't call them denominations anymore. I now call them demonations.

[@juliajumel2382]

It sounds like the doctrine of demons warned about in the Bible.

[@bibletruthreformed]

😂

[@shawnbrewer7]

Fr. Seraphim Rose said the same thing.

[@mountuplikeaneagle]

Maybe you don't know what the unforgivable sin is. You might want to keep mouth shut and your comments to yourself for your own good. If you don't know what blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is , go to Google and type in blasphemy of the Holy Ghost BIBLE HUB and you can read it. Just because you are disobedient to God's word , you still need to keep your mouth shut

[@caroleimani9754]

​@@shawnbrewer7 WHO is he??😮

[@michaelsawyer158]

Thank you for your testimony. Mine is somewhat similar. Thank God he kept me in his Word throughout my own "excursion."

[@rogercoleman8515]

I have the same response to this conversation as I do to the one that ask if people know for sure thier saved. When God reveals Himself to you, causes you to be born again by His Spirit and fill you with His Spirit, demonstrate the love power and gifts of His Spirit that settles any questions forever.

[@wabachakimani5143]

Amen. Once you have personally experienced the Holy Spirit and His power, in the fruits and also the gifts, no one can ever make you deny His power for today. I used to doubt the gifts being for today, so I sympathise with anyone who doubts, for I once did. I prayed to Jesus Christ one day in a parking lot by myself, August 19th, 2023, acknowledging the gifts are for today, then I said Holy Spirit I yield my tongue to you, and by faith I proceeded to pray in tongues, and immediately there was a welling up sensation from my belly, and when it got to my tongue I prayed in tongues! Hallelujah. Yet I had been brought up in a church that did not demonstrate this, even my own family. The Word of God is true, abides forever. Since then, my mind was renewed regarding all the gifts and I knew they all are for today! Thank God for His grace and mercy. May the Lord help bring down the scales from His children's eyes, and pull down all religious strongholds and unbelief against baptism In the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

[@caroleimani9754]

What do you mean by "fill you with the Spirit?"😮

[@caroleimani9754]

Aren't you "filled with the Spirit" when you get saved?

[@rogercoleman8515]

@caroleimani9754 no. Your sealed with Holy Spirit. Ephesians. Your filled or baptized either by the laying on of hands or in some cases as on Pentecost or in gatherings Acts.

[@wabachakimani5143]

@caroleimani9754 When one repents and believes on Jesus Christ, one receives the Holy Spirit and is sealed as per Ephesians 1:13, and this is the qualification to becone a child of God and part of the body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13). Baptism in the Holy Spirit (the Holy Spirit coming on/upon someone) as in Acts 1:8, is a different phenomenon that is also a free gift to all God's children, as we can see in Acts 19:1 - 6, where Paul preaches the gospel to 12 men, he baptised them with water (at this point they are already believers), he goes ahead to lay his hands on them and they receive baptism in the Holy Spirit and start prophesying and praying in tongues. In Acts 8:9 - 17, this is the portion that clearly depicts the 2 phenomenon, especially verse 16, where it mentions that the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of the BELIEVERS, they had simply been baptised in the name of the Lord Jesus. Peter and John pray for them, and they received the Holy Spirit (coming upon them, since already they had been sealed in regeneration and already born again). The purpose of baptism in the Holy Spirit is to receive power as Jesus Christ said to be His witnesses....to be able to not only preach the gospel in Word, but also demonstrate it by the power of the Holy Spirit with signs, healings and wonders, that is my understanding.

[@ghostl1124]

Thank you for your ministry.

[@valeriehancock1724]

Great insight. I’m a formal Pentecostal and so grateful that I have been lead out of those beliefs.

[@TheLadyPonders]

Oh wow, thank you so much for this, listening to every detail!

[@michaeljohnson4947]

When I first started to go to a reformed church. I remember one day walking up to an elder and said "I have a word of knowledge for you". I could see the look of horror cross his face. He was relieved, when I told him "yeah...there's a blue Ford pickup truck, with it's lights on in the parking lot". I could have prophesized that it wouldn't start...due to a run down battery. But I didn't want to run the risk of it starting, rendering me a false prophet. Fortunately, prior to this, I left the charismatic church, because of false prophets. They tried to teach me how to speak in tongues. It reminded me of auctioneers school. I flat out refused to do their mouth exercises. God protected this newly minted, foolish Christian, from wolves. For which I will be eternally grateful. All to Him I owe. Most people don't realize Rush Limbaugh was a false prophet. He wrote a book about all his prophesies that came true "See I Told You So". Not all false prophets are religious. Rush just never wrote about all his prophecies that didn't come true. We live in dangerous times. We will know them by their fruit. Being truthful, is just one of the fruits of the Spirit. Work out your salvation, with fear and trembling. For it is God in you, to both will, and to do.

[@larrytruelove8659]

Prophecy is supposed to supernatural. If it’s not religious it’s a prediction not a prophecy.

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

That's pretty funny.

[@caroleimani9754]

False Prophets tend to march around yelling and saying, "You don't have any faith," if you don't fall down when they push you😮

[@larrytruelove8659]

@@caroleimani9754 I tell them that I’ll have faith when I see them perform a genuine miracle. If they have so much faith, they should have enough for both of us.

[@glorialovesChrist]

Holy Supernatural vs Supernatural. The Word of God vs God told me..

[@theyjustwantyourmoney4539]

I also left the charismatic movement, I stopped faking "tongues" it was a heavy burden lifted off my shoulders

[@bibletruthreformed]

Same here 😂

[@bibletruthreformed]

@susanthroop6947if you’re tongue sounds like shirabahandi shirabahanda Barabarabara…. Shamala hamala malalalalalal 😂 etc…. It’s fake, it’s gibberish, it’s nonsense, meaningless and useless!!!

[@curious011]

@susanthroop6947 because they all are. are you saying someone that admits faking it had a REAL tongue? Please show me evidence that ANY of this is real. show me the healing, be specific and name names and not just relay some story you heard. show me a real miracle....healings are not miracles. People can recover from sickness without anyone doing anything. people do get better. If everyone gets healed, explain christians dying of covid. was that the devil? I thought God could do anything, so why not preserve his own people?

[@curious011]

@susanthroop6947 we have no idea the difference between the real or the fake. God always agrees with whatever we already think. The modern tongues are fake. you can't say 3 repeated syllable and have a 3 minute interpretation. it's all nonsense.

[@curious011]

@susanthroop6947 how do you know a tongue is correct? We are TOLD to test the. spirits. I think it’s aweful stupid to tell someone they have to keep their mouth shut. Maybe keep yours shut

[@lenny5312]

I also left the full gospel movement however, I’m not a cessationist. God can still work miracles as He chooses

[@sarahendrix3132]

Cessationists believe that God works miracles as He chooses today. They do not believe there are "miracle workers" today as the Apostles were able to do. They believe God heals today through prayer when it is His Will, just not "faith healers" today.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@susanthroop6947 The full counsel of God is not trying to reproduce apostolic signs, wonders, and miracles which only intended to confirm to believers that Jesus was the Messiah. There is no further need for such signs. Luke 16:29-31 (KJV 1900): Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@susanthroop6947 No. If so, everyone would be healed. We know that they are not. Most of the teaching of Faith healers comes from Christian Science heresy, not the Bible. Anecdotal stories or testimonies are most often not physical healings but psychosomatic healing in the mind.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@susanthroop6947 Acts 20:26-27 (KJV 1900): Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

[@curious011]

@susanthroop6947 that's weird. why are church people dying right and left if God heals all. That is utter nonsense.

[@markduane1]

Thanks for sharing. I've worked through and repented from much of the same.

[@taylor.i]

The charismatic movement is so reminiscent of the new age. It's like a different version of it.

[@CieloVistaSoftware]

I am an ex-charismatic of 25 years. Today I am a detective of falseness. I don't implicitly trust anything any longer. Rather I put everything to a test. If what is being spoken cannot be proved their testimony is just a story. Name-it-claim-it theology is not true.

[@caroleimani9754]

I got out of a Word of Faith Church in July 2021😂

[@TheBananacoco12]

One of the devil's greatest wins is convincing them that God lives in them - but miracles are too much for Him. As a result, you have impotent Christians without the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@JimiSurvivor]

I am a Continuationist. It has nothing to do with trusting ministers, personalities or movements. I am because I have experienced miraculous healing (in private) prayer after having an incurable neurological illness for ten years. "Charismatic Uncertainty" impresses me as being Existential rather than Christian since Biblical faith has substance and evidence connected with it otherwise it does not fall Biblical definition of faith. You have adopted a sect of faith that cannot be refuted or disproven since whatever happens is predetermined by God. The Ante-Nicene Church Fathers spoke about periodic revivals of miracles yet they appeared to have no doctrines about it.

[@angelamariebowman6851]

You should test everything whether you are a Charismatic or not.

[@ThomasCranmer1959]

@JimiSurvivor What continues is Scripture. Beyond that nothing continues except God's absolute sovereignty in predestination and prividence. Most of the fake continuationism is based on the heresy of Christian Science.

[@jenniferfanguy2812]

Left the movement four years ago

[@bibletruthreformed]

@susanthroop6947it’s actually called deliverance from the kingdom of darkness 😮

[@paulc7190]

Im still in the movement

[@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah]

Thanks to CS&AB and Pastor Hines for sharing this. This has an approachable sincerity that I think may make it effective to share with genuine believers who are somewhat entangled in charismania. I have a specific brother in mind to whom I intend to recommend and share this video. He and I regularly discuss my concerns against charismania, and he is developing his own direct awareness of his owns concerns with charismania; so I'll give him the ol' "test all things, hold down what is true" and ask him to hear brother Patrick out.

[@joshhenderson7723]

Thanks for posting this. My story is similar, and this has been something I've been working through for a few years. God bless, brother.

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

I’ve had trust issues with church for years because of it. But God has helped me greatly.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

Leaving those who follow their sensuality and blaspheme the way of truth by exploiting people with false words is maturity, however, be very careful that you don't swing too far to the other side, tolerating a religious stronghold. Another form of sensuality steeped in hard hearted pride. It happened to me and I became stale, rigid and self satisfied. Without love or care for anyone but my own religious accumulations. By the grace of God I escaped and now I warn others of both sides of the ditch. You're His, He'll teach you well. He loves us so much and He's trustworthy!

[@Patrick-sb2sb]

I have a Pentecostal background, and I suppose I would still be considered a Pentecostal by a card-carrying , bonefied, TULIP Calvanist. LOL. I personally don't call myself anything but a Christian. I'm 73 years old, been preaching 44 years, love Jesus with all of my heart, and hope to one day hear him say, well done good and faithful servant. I gave my life to Christ while home on leave, after spending two tours of duty in Vietnam. I responded to an alter call at a little Independent church in west Texas on August 25, 1971. I asked Jesus to forgive me of my sins, come into my heart, and save me from sin, Satan, and self. Jesus heard my prayer and came into my heart. Two weeks later, I was at home in my bed praying in the middle of the night when I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. My mother came into my room the next morning and asked if I had learned to speak Vietnamese while overseas. When I said that I had not, she replied that she heard me speaking in the most beautiful language she had ever heard, all night long. Words can't express the encounter I had with God that night. I have seen lots of error and flakiness in the Pentecostal movement over the years, but, I have also seen some wonderful things. Of all the wonders I am aware of in modern church history, the testimony of Ronald Coyne is probably the greatest testimony a miraculous healing in modern times. I was a toddler when it happened. I would encourage anybody to look up the story of Ronald Coyne: KZbin: MIRACLE HEALING OF RONALD COYNE Ronald was a boy about 8 or 10 years old when he was prayed for by my Pastor's wife, Daisy Gillock. Ronald grew up, became an Assemblies of God preacher, and gave his testimony all over the world. Ronald died several years ago, but his testimony lives on. He was playing with a piece of wire when it pierced his eye . The eyeball got infected and had to be removed. Ronald was then fitted with a plastic, prosthetic eye. Ronald's mother was a devout Christian. She attended a tent revival in Supulpa, Oklahoma and took Ronald with her. My pastors wife, Daisy Gillock, was preaching that night. (Now I know that will ruffle the feathers of some of my TULIP brethren) LOL However, Ronald had been having trouble with his tonsils, and his Mom told him to get in the prayer line when Daisy finished her sermon. Daisy prayed for Ronald's tonsils, and then noticed that his eye was watering. She asked if something was wrong with his eye. Ronald replied that he was blind in that eye. (He didn't tell her that it was a glass eye). Daisy prayed and asked God to restore Ronald's sight. Ronald returned to his seat, and after a few minutes he looked at his Mom and told her he could see. She said, Ronald, I know you can see, now hush. He said, Mom, you don't understand, I can see out of my plastic eye. You can see him as a child, and as an adult giving his testimony on: KZbin; RONALD COYNE, DAISY GILLOCK; AND THE EYE MIRACLE I can only testify of what I have seen, heard, and experienced. The Church needs to quit fussing and fighting and start getting out on the streets and winning souls for Christ. I don't agree with 5 point Calvanists (or TULIPS), but I don't sit around calling them names. Let's love one another, put Jesus first, and try to do our best, winning the lost, praying for the sick, ministering to the oppressed, taking care of the orphans and widows, and ministering to the needs of the poor. SORRY THIS WAS SO LENGTHY: God bless all of you: Calvanists, Armenians, Continuationists, SESSATIONISTS, pre tribbers, mid tribbers, post tribbers. Let's agree to disagree and go to work for Jesus. Hold to the essential doctrines of the faith: ❤❤❤

[@stevewilcock4767]

Spot on Patrick .

[@TAdler-ex8px]

@@Patrick-sb2sb Love your testimony! Thank you for sharing it. I may be able to offer a deeper reply soon, until then blessings to you in Christ. I will look into these references. Praise God for walking in light, having fellowship with Him, and with each other. ❤️👏

[@unmaskingpurpose]

I agree. Speaking in tongues has a direct relationship with people in different languages, understanding the gospel in their own language. There are so many prophetic channels on KZbin now all with daily words from the Lord. Most of these channels are actually following trends with these prophetic words

[@mountuplikeaneagle]

I pray alone to my Heavenly Father in the Spirit(tongues) and with the understanding(english) I pray in the languages of man and of angels

[@TheKJRFam]

@@mountuplikeaneagle Just because you add the word (tongues) in parenthesis doesn't mean that "in the Spirit" means tongues. It doesn't say "tongues" anywhere. If you want to know what "in the Spirit" means look up the meaning of the word used in the original greek (hint: it's not Glossa) If Paul wanted to say "glossa" he would have said "Glossa" just like in other passages...... But he didn't

[@mountuplikeaneagle]

@@TheKJRFam that's why Paul said and with the understanding. Paul also said when we speak in tongues we are speaking mysteries. It's up to you , God's not going to make you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, that's why Jesus said if you ask him, knock and it will be open unto you.

[@davesawe5346]

When someone leave those types of ministries, that's a miracle because all they do is feed their desires of their followers.

[@yoboatsummer]

My experience is very similar to yours!!! Decades in the church of God, so many times I questioned so many things. I saw senior believers who went to the church for many decades, no one questioned anything, just went with the flow. Just 6 months ago I finally left. It’s been a lot trying to find a church that teaches expository teaching and doesn’t participate in foolishness. Ty for this message!!!?

[@vickijensen-h3u]

I have seen it all. I grew up Lutheran, but, I was 4 when my father was killed on the job. His family, coming from Denmark and were Evangelical Lutheran's. They went, from Minnesota to California to take the gospel and started the town of Salvang. I do know what you are saying and don't like all the "false"prophecies . However, one of my early experiences was when my friend had a word of knowledge from a minister about a thyroid being healed. She, actually healed completely and was able to throw away her meds. However, all the "hype" and emotional recklessness that occurs, needs accountability. Bless your insight and digging for truth like so many of us it is the work of the cross

[@keithconnell8460]

Been to Solvang. Cool little place.

[@anthonylawson6330]

Watching this morning. Thank you sir.

[@malachi00000007]

Absolutely. My brother, you speak the truth. I've walked in your shoes. I have came from the charismatic background and found out I was duped as well... and now I am crucifying sin in my life I am walking and holiness. And I am worshipping christ and spreading the Gospel to all people...the TRUTH!!!

[@katiewray2525]

Thank you, pastor for sharing this! Was a blessing. God bless you brother 😊💓

[@johnhenrick2298]

Thank you for your testimony, Patrick. Like you, I started in the United Methodist church after being an atheist for twenty years. I was raised in the Roman Catholic church and was an altar server. I've been through the charismatic churches with the identical practices of which you spoke. And like you, the Holy Spirit of God led me out of them. He also led me out of the Masonic Lodge where I was an officer. You cannot lose your salvation because it doesn't depend on what we do, but what Jesus did at the cross and what He is doing every day in our lives. He keeps us; we do not keep Him. You're right that a born again Christian cannot be possessed by the devil, but they can be oppressed, causing the same kind of problems. God led me into a spiritual ministry of deliverance with a partner; that lasted for twenty years until my partner passed away. We helped over 11,000 people with spiritual problems, many of which had been diagnosed as mental illness. Everyone we helped, were set free.. During that time I learned that the tongues spoken in the churches are NOT gifts of God, but they are not sinning by uttering them. The words they utter are meaningless, but I found it's impossible to convince tongue-speakers that their 'gift' is fake. I also came across Justin Peters' ministry, and it is very good, exposing the fakery of the charismatic churches. I used to regret having been a Roman Catholic, and a United Methodist, and a member of a charismatic church, but God allows such things to teach us.The experience is valuable, and sinks in more than reading it in a book.

[@caroleimani9754]

I was in the Roman Catholic Church, too...Then I was in a Church that was WOF...

[@shawnbrewer7]

Due to my military service, I have been going to different Charismatic churches for years, ever since I was a teenager. My wife and I were received into the Antiochian Orthodox Church close to ten years ago. Glory to God for all things!

[@keithconnell8460]

You went from one extreme to the other. You traded what some would call witchcraft for mysticism. Interesting.

[@thenzlander7605]

Good move, I went from the Pentecostal church to the Catholic Church. It's wonderful to have a Christ centered rich faith.

[@curious011]

@@keithconnell8460 it's not an extreme to go back to the original church.

[@thenicestguy2748]

God still does miracles

[@oophelia46]

Yes He does. God healed my son. He led me to pray over my son and GOD healed him. He stopped vomiting and gagging. When he went in for surgery that was scheduled, his hernia was gone. People don't heal, God does! God will not share His glory with man

[@truthblitz7]

Yes he can do. I have however only once in my life seen a miracle as clear as that which Jesus did. The majority are unproveable "miracles" such as the frequent one leg longer than the other or "headaches". A man born blind receiving his sight in an instant i have only read in the new testament, never seen it today.

[@wildrover9650]

​@@truthblitz7 The western churches are for the most part apostate so they fake miracles because they are fake christians. Many reports of miracles happening in persecuted countries.

[@curious011]

Show me. We all have smartphones so it should be easy to get a quick video of the miracle.

[@oophelia46]

@@curious011 This was 16 years ago. He is still doing well, praise Jesus!

[@rauldelarosa2768]

I left the signs and wonders movement twenty plus years ago..I have oftentimes felt like I don't really have a church home We do fellowship with others of like and precious faith.. I don't lean towards reformed theology so that leaves a good amount of churches out. I do agree with you saying that altar calls can definitely take away from the preaching of the Bible.. Right now I'm trying to navigate where to take my bride to... sadly many even a few Calvinistic places are continuationist leaning here.. I'm praying about my next move.

[@andreananetashvily558]

Thank u for sound teaching and doctrine

[@dangleitz2134]

When I was saved @ 2010. I read the Book of Acts, and wondered if all that was still happening, because the internet seemed to suggest it had ended, and whatever I saw was faked. Then the Lord led me to the church in St. Louis where the boy was raised from the dead. I then accepted that being led by the Spirit, signs and wonders have been and are essential part of the church. I have seen many more real miracles since then. Do not cut off your nose to spite your face.

[@FleshToDust]

absolutely. I think some people dont want to believe in miracles anymore for some reason but miracles happen every day. I have been healed after praying in Jesus name and that extroardinary pain I would feel goes away.

[@brucefritz7988]

He is NOT saying miracles don't happen anymore. God can and still does miracles. Cessationism is saying that no one has Apostolic gifts anymore. Continue to seek God and His truth. Don't seek Him for an experience. You just might get it.

[@dangleitz2134]

@@brucefritz7988 I cannot find anywhere in scripture where it says any of the five-fold ministry stop. There are a lot of posers, but that was true Paul's time as well--the Super Apostles.

[@valeriehancock1724]

Were you present and watched a deceased person be raised from the dead?

[@dangleitz2134]

@@valeriehancock1724 I was there when the EMT's and the Doctors gave their testimony as to what happened. They were not necessarily Christians. Read the book Breakthrough, it is excellent. I believe God did what he did in the way that He did it to put to rest the Cessationist notion.

[@kasandraruskay9744]

Amen thank you

[@mombeaubob]

Thank you , sister. This is a good lesson.

[@traceyh4803]

Thank you for sharing! So encouraging to hear your testimony of the Lord leading you out of error. I pray God would deliver those who are still deceived. 🙏

[@Ephods]

BRILLIANT!!! I’ve been harping on and alerting about this for years…TY!!!

[@mombeaubob]

Well done, brother.

[@alexim1371]

Share the good with the bad! Share the whole truth! It is man that gets in the way

[@SteveMontjoy]

I agree that there are a lot of things going on that should not be, but to throw out the baby with the wash water is foolish, the Holy Spirit still moves today to deny His manifestations is to deny his existence He still does 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14 all in the lives of the believers

[@larryroach6887]

Yes

[@curious011]

If so, show me the miracles and healings. you have the internet and a smartphone....should be easy.

[@larryroach6887]

When you ask for proof that these things are still happening, it sounds a lot like the people in the Bible who asked for a sign. I have watched conversations between people who have scientifically proven evidence of miraculous healing and a skeptic and no amount of proof would satisfy him. Pictures on the internet can be doctored. I would think scientific and medically verified would be a better test. But for some still not good enough.

[@larryroach6887]

If you sincerely want to know if God still does miracles today, check out the Global Medical Research Institute, Dr. Joshua Brown. He has a short KZbin video ( a little over one minute) introducing what he does and why he does it. He is not a wackadodle. He is a scientist doing serious scientific research. The video is called QUANTAM GOD.

[@curious011]

@@larryroach6887 there is no evidence of miracles. Period.

[@craighagan6080]

Thank you for this video

[@wildrover9650]

I left the charismatic church and never spoke in fake tongues because it was fake and I being a true christian couldn't fake it to get along cause that would be a lie. However to say the gifts aren't for now is arrogance because the persecuted church in china and elseware operate in the gifts or they wouldn't be able to survive.

[@jonathanlugo1621]

Thank you for this!

[@annetteahrens4122]

A much needed message for all to hear, thank you

[@asimon8313]

A real blessing. Thank you, pastor.

[@jobrown8146]

Thank you. This was very interesting. I was in the mild WOF/prosperity church for 10 years in the 1990s in Australia and left as the Toronto "blessing" arrived. I've been very thankful for the discernment ministry videos that are posted online which have helped me to understand the unBiblical teaching of this type of church. Of course there was no internet back then and all my friends were in the same type of church so I had nobody to talk to about my concerns. But God worked a way for me to leave; He actually used my natural dislike of loud, repetitive music.

[@donmorrissey1453]

So glad that there's more people like you revealing all this dodginess. Oh how I wish I had never ever gotten involved in charismatic and Pentecostal churches. I have wasted so much time and heartache and pain. I've had to learn things all over again and change my mind set all over again, because I was brain washed with this nonsense

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

God will use it in your life to help others my friend!

[@donmorrissey1453]

@@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745 So true, God turns things that were meant for evil for His good. So He gets all the glory and more people may be saved

[@ChadB74]

To everyone here that says they have the gift of tongues: I would like your opinion on my experience with tongues. I grew up Baptist until I was 18 but am now Pentecostal and have been for over 20 years now. I have prayed in the past for the gift of tongues. One time over 10 years ago, while in church I heard syllables in my mind that made no sense to me. I thought "this must be tongues" and started repeating them. The same thing has happened to me for probably about 5 times or less since the first time. Now, the more I study tongues in the Bible and listen to sound teachings, I'm beginning to question if that is really tongues. One thing I've never heard a continuist answer is, where in the Bible are tongues described as gibberish? Acts always describes tongues as an earthly language that the person speaking doesn't understand, but someone listening does understand. I have heard a few occurrences of this type of tongues in the past few years, where a preacher was speaking English but a listener heard him in his native language. This is scriptural whereas I now question the repeated syllables I still occasionally hear at my AOG church.

[@julierickert2145]

There are times in prayer, reading the bible i do physically feel a presence on my head. I was in the charismatic stuff but not now.

[@petercummingsiii]

Also, is that the Pulpit commentary behind you on the right side?

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

No... it's systematic theologies!

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

It’s sad that so many Christians are offended or bewildered by what some over the top Pentecosts do. I’ve also been to different Pentecostal/Charismatic churches that went off on tangents and did some damage in my life. But I’ve never became a cessationist because I received the promise of the Father (Luke 24:49 , Acts 2:39) on May 29, 1971 and I will never deny what the Lord did in my life. It is so overwhelmingly real to me. P.S. In 2 Corinthians 14:2, Paul states that he who speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not unto men but unto God: for no man understands him…. No man understands him.

[@888hereandnow]

❤

[@TheKJRFam]

Your acts and Luke passages clearly speak of salvation and the power to share the gospel that come when you receive the Holy Spirit which is exactly what was spoken about here. No one denies that. However neither say speaking in tongues is required. The Corinthians passage you mention is a rebuke from Paul not an exhortation. Because if you stood up and spoke a language no one in the congregation knew and there wasn't someone there that did know the language to interpret it then it was only God that would know what you said since God understands all languages. I understand I too "spoke in tongues" for 40+ years. It was therapeutic in the way that people who say mantras and do yoga and deep breathing. None of those are biblical so even though it may "feel good" they have no value in our relationship with God if they are contrary to scripture. God speaks all languages you don't need a secret language to speak to him. He knows what you need before you even open your mouth. Be encouraged Blessings.

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

@@TheKJRFamIn 1 Corinthians 14:18, I think that Paul was saying that he spoke in tongues a lot in his private prayer time with God. I don’t think that he quit doing that at some later time because he realized that it was just therapeutic like a mantra or made him feel good. Why would he thank God if he thought it was of no spiritual value?

[@888hereandnow]

@@campparsonssundayschool7844 exactly!!

[@TheKJRFam]

​@@campparsonssundayschool7844 That's the point he wasn't using for himself to feel good or to bless himself. It was used as a sign for those who spoke other languages to aid in sharing the Gospel without having to study all the other languages.

[@miavirginia7767]

Awesome!

[@wokefreeChristian]

I'm an ex char as well. Praise the Lord for His grace and mercy to me. O man, He is rich in patience to us all! Regarding prophesy, the global YWAM group also teaches a false hyper charismatic doctrine that you just continue to prophesy over and over and over, and eventually, one prophesy will be right, and then you're solid!!! It's so abhorrent to what biblical Christianity teaches. Pray God would destroy that false group and save those young people from YWAM. I also believe charismania came from the RCC. I think you were pretty much referencing that in this video. But nonetheless, thank you for the clear, to the point message. I need to listen to pastors like you who can help me dismantle the charismatic errors I sometimes still deal with. May God's word continue to cut us to the heart!

[@sesankata]

I left the charismatic in 1981. I am now independent Baptist

[@caroleimani9754]

Yeah, I'm an Independent Baptist, too😅

[@caroleimani9754]

I left my Former Word of Faith Church in July 2021😂❤🙏

[@paulc7190]

I was Baptist but now charismatic. Woohoo

[@trinivagrant]

I haven't watched this yet, and I know Pastor Hines is a true man of God. But speaking in unknown toungues is a real gift of the Holy Spirit. Derek Prince and Zac Poonen are two great men of God that speak in toungues. Derek Prince is one of the greatest Bible teachers that has ever lived. I meet with Pastor's and whoever else wants to come at Church on Fridays at midnight. We pray for the Kingdom, the Church, The terrority we live etc for 12 hours in tounges. Its a wonderful gift for long prayer sessions

[@artistchristos]

Oh dear.

[@trinivagrant]

@@artistchristos You can KZbin Derek Prince and tell me if he's a false prophet. He was very critical of the charismatic movement and left it. But he still spoke in toungues.

[@MarabellAnderson]

I dont intend to cause trouble, but Mr Prince does not speak in tongues, while searching I came up on a few of his sermons, I stop watching when in one sermon he told the congregation that they should just "close their eyes and utter what ever came to their lips" and even then in that sermon there was a young man "laughing in the spirit". As stated by Pastor Hinds, thought the bible speak of gift of tongues, the true gift allows one to speak in an intelligible language that can be understood. There is no gift that is produce by the Holy Spirit that does not edify those it is shared with.

[@trinivagrant]

couple of things. I listen to men like Pastor Hines and Father Spyridon for example because they preach the true Gospel. They don't believe in speaking in toungues. That's okay. They are saved and wonderful. It's unfortunate your going to judge a great man of God like Derek Prince who is arguably the greatest Bible teacher in last 75 years, and judge based on what you just pointed out. I think Pastor Hines would agree with me. Derek Prince's KZbin content is spiritual gold. Another man of God that spoke in toungues is Reinhard Bonnke, he has brought millions of Africans into the Chrisitan faith and arguably the greatest evangelist in last 75 years. I think Pastor Hines would agree on this too. Very few men of God have been used like Derek Prince or Reinhard Bonnke. Zac Poonen who is still alive is incredible man of God. You can KZbin his videos.I bring this name up because he discusses this. Yes in a congregation you don't just speak in toungues without interpretation. But praying in the spirit with you and God in unknown toungues and praying together with other believers in unknown toungues is different. For example we lead prayer for God to raise woman intercessors in our territory. We can pray an hour on just this prayer point. We pray to God in toungues. The holy spirit helps leads us but also gives us endurance. I'm sure people do it but would be difficult for me to pray for 12 hours without toungues. ‭Romans 8:26-27 BSB‬ [26] In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. [27] And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. ‭Ephesians 6:18 BSB‬ [18] Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition. To this end, stay alert with all perseverance in your prayers for all the saints.

[@trinivagrant]

Key Verses: (1 Corinthians 14:2-19) 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified. 9 Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church. 13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. "This is one of the most discussed and debated passages in Scripture today. Paul initially seems very critical of speaking in tongues, but it is clear that he views it as a legitimate gift of the Spirit when in verse 5 he says, “I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy” and in verse 18 he says, “I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.” So how do we make sense of this apparent contradiction? An explanation, as is often the case, requires an understanding of the historical context. Unlike today’s worship services (where preachers are the only voice during most of the service), in Corinth the assemblies were often chaotic, with many brothers and sisters shouting out in tongues and others giving prophesy, with multiple voices interrupting each other. Paul’s concern was that outsiders visiting the gatherings for the first time would perceive this as madness or bedlam and would not be persuaded to follow Christ or even to return to the next gathering. Conversion requires a presentation of the Gospel in a language the visitor can understand. So unless the tongues were immediately interpreted, the others in the gathering would have no idea what was being proclaimed."

[@karenreynolds349]

You are so right. They had so much emphasis on nothing but the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues....that nothing else was taught ....

[@tommystacker3286]

Thank you pastor- I also took a detour for six years by going to a Word of Faith/NAR church in North Canton, Oh. God rescued me from the delusion by reading His Word. Now I try to help others wake up.

[@JacquelineHahn1]

if cessationism is true how would treat the visions that Islamic people are getting of Jesus and becoming Christian? Such things have also occurred in China and even in Australia. My other question is “ since cessationism teaches that the gifts of the Spirit have ceased how then can we discern various spirits?

[@bertlopez3805]

We should treat all such faith claims with skepticism. God is clear. He doesn't rely upon visions and apparitions which confuse legitimate faith. Islam is radically different from Christianity. If faith has been granted, praise God. Yet, time will tell. We can never presume faith in God for any individual. Jesus proves Himself and He proves who is His own. He does so by His Holy Spirit abiding in every true believer. God uses the sufficiency of Holy Scripture to enlighten us. God bless

[@CieloVistaSoftware]

Visions and Cessationism are not the same.

[@JacquelineHahn1]

@@CieloVistaSoftware Then you agree that the passage in Joel 2 is still relevant for today then? If so which gifts of the Holy Spirit have then ceased? I

[@JacquelineHahn1]

@@bertlopez3805 Those who have had visions and miraculous events which they attribute to the Holy Spirit have gone on to spread the gospel, many have faced intense persecution and even death and have not denied the name of Jesus. Their fruit therefore has proved the validity of the visions, dreams and other gifts of the Holy Spirit. Joel chapter 2 then holds for today. For the promise in Joel chapter 2 was proclaimed on the day of Shavuot by the disciples as being for this present age.

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

No one has ever become a Christian by a "vision" of Jesus. Without *hearing* the biblical gospel, no one becomes a Christian. Faith does not come from seeing, but hearing the true gospel: Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. I can't think of anything that would be more useless to me than a vision of Jesus. What we need is His Word to explain to us who Jesus is and what He did at the cross in real history. A vision wouldn't explain any of that.

[@stevenwithaph9785]

In Matthew 7 where Jesus is addressing the one who said Lord Lord didn't I cast out demons and didn't I prophesy in your name. Makes me wonder about those who believe their gifts are there evidence of salvation and not their faith in the blood atonement and the resurrection of Jesus. I'm careful how I say it but I do question it. Could this be why Jesus specifically addressed this group?

[@rodbrown8306]

Good on you Patrick, the Bible has everything we need for faith and plenty we still need to contemplate without going extra biblical into the dark. God Bless your ministry. I once refused to go to a tongues teaching evening, my wife came home saying it was a debacle, I said, I told you it would be. Later that night I woke up and went into the lounge room, I started to pray if you want a person to pray in tongues Lord only then he will.... then I began to pray in tongues, I didn't know how, but it must have been the Lord. Later I read Paul who said if my spirit prays my mind will be also free to pray, I thought this would prove what had happened was from the Lord and not the enemy, I started to speak tongues but my mind was clear, I felt it was reverent worship and not unorderly, of course I was doing all this on my own, and not in public worship....also, I don't often pray that way, it's not something to put on or force in public. For me it's more about my private worship....Mantle of Elijah, for me also, as you say. When Paul said I determined to know nothing among you apart from Christ and him crucified. He was saying this due to the near worship of leaders amongst the Corinthians at that time, of course he would talk in general discussions with fellow believers, but he was saying this because of their apostacy.

[@lt7378]

Do you know of Martyn Lloyd-Jones and what is your opinion on him? I’m only asking because it does relate to this topic.

[@Paoletta7]

By gift and infinite grace of the Lord I was judged and convinced of sin by the Holy Spirit while listening to a Galatians 5 sermon on the works of the flesh by a "charismatic brother" who I later discovered to be such. In short, the Holy Spirit took me out of that sect and subsequently out of another Pentecostal church that did more or less the same things I thank the Lord it was his infinite mercy that does not leave us and does not abandon us blessings pastor Patrick

[@coffeeandword]

I'm 36 minutes in and I can see how you encountered some churches that are not Gospel preaching or Gospel centred, but I do not see how that equals cessationism. I could point to a number of cessationist churches that are neither Christ centred or Gospel preaching. It seems you artived there from experience rather than from Scripture.

[@curious011]

that's really dumb.

[@tpw7250]

Your comment is dumb as it doesn't explain if you agree with the above and you think Patrick is dumb or you think the comment above is dumb. Even if you clarified that, it'd still be dumb because you wouldn't have explained what about it is dumb. So what you've said is doubly dumb

[@stanhaselton3620]

Exegesis = reformed preaching Extra-Jesus = charismatic preaching

[@caroleimani9754]

What is "Extra Jesus?"

[@curious011]

@@caroleimani9754 all the crap they add to the bible.

[@mariosangermano]

AMEN brother!!

[@PattyBoyd-b2w]

You had me at "whacherdoodle stuff".

[@langer747]

Amen, ❤, Him we Preach

[@petercummingsiii]

Exactly. The tongues, etc, ended with the apostolic era. And it wasn’t what people called it today

[@bartdanison3236]

Excellent! It is amazing how the Lord leads His own out of error with His Word, the Bible, in very much the same way. I began as a Catholic charismatic, then to Pentecostalism, then to lesser continuationist churches, then finally to full cessationism. All through study of the Word.

[@thenzlander7605]

Yes it is truly amazing how the Lord by his Word from the Pentecostal religion to the Catholic Church.

[@BeMoreAwareGodWatches]

This is the problem that I have with modern Christianity. I cannot seem to find a church because there are so many offspring denominations that are so confusing all I’m looking for is a Bible preaching expository preaching holy spirit field church. I live in Nashville, Tennessee, and all of the choices are so overwhelming, and I’m so scared to join the wrong church and get the wrong message. There should not be so many different denominations. How do you know which one is correct without getting confused?

[@mickford9332]

What did Paul mean when he said I speak in tongues more than you all?

[@RobTheTruth]

He was an evangelist so he went every where and God gave him languages

[@Rafyelhijoprodigo]

I think your right in many things but off on the difference between the purpose of the tongues spoken at Pentecost and the gift in 1 Corinthians 14 - “So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said. For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NLT‬‬ These verses here already states your wrong about someone having the gift of speaking in tongues and the gift of interpretation. also the whole chapter explains the fact that the gifts are for the edification of the church (which is still happening) and its still affect because the end of its purpose has not been fulfilled and perfection or that which is perfect has come yet, meaning the second coming of Christ, and please don’t think “that which is perfect is referring the Canon, thats a bias interpretation to deny the gifts have not ceased

[@christianmattila]

Great teaching Brother! The true manifestation of the Holy Spirit is the fruits 🍉 🍎 🍌 of the spirit in one’s life. I have attended many different denominations in my lifetime (currently AOG, grew up Baptist, completing my Seminary education at a Baptist University). One common theme that I see is people getting “saved” and shortly thereafter falling away, Jesus spoke about the narrow path that we as believers must walk on. The only constructive feedback I will give is to never say “all” Pentecostals to anything. When we get to heaven there will be no denominations!

[@graysonbr]

I actually shifted away from evangelical mass healing toward an elder based view of healing as a non-cesessationist.

[@randysummerhays4168]

So when you speak in tongues what foreign language is it like the day of Pentecost

[@coffeeandword]

After listening to this. Fully agree with you that the work of the Holy Spirit is to glorify Christ. However, you have not given any Biblical reasons for cessationism.

[@tshepo7904]

I finished the new testament this month. I did not see a single verse that supports cessationism. Jesus tells his disciples that anyone can do what he has done Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. John 14:12 NIV And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” Mark 16:15‭-‬18 ESV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ We should not ignore his words and call him a liar. If we do, why are we still worshiping him. Pauls letter said to desire the spiritual gifts : Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 1 Corinthians 14:1 NIV And to those you think that the spiritual gifts were only for apostle's should review Jesus words on the first two verses posted and this : “Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” Luke 9:49‭-‬50 NIV Some people experience fake prophets, fake exisists, face healers, and face paranormal investigators, but they should look into what scripture says instead of experience alone. Experience alone would sometimes draw them away from Christianity

[@Rhall6451]

Full cessationism is wrong. As is the false manifestations of the Spirit. Patrick, you open eyes unequally to the scriptures, letting the bias of your hardened heart towards those who spake in the name of the Lord falsely guide your beliefs (worldy bias Rom 12:2). How does the Holy Spirit testify to us? Jn (15:26) How does He guide us into all truth, and TELL us what He has heard from Christ? (Jn 16:13) If you say, "Jesus was speaking specifically to the disciples on this." Sure, that is correct. But then you would have to say all other things He commanded the disciples to do was only for them and not us. (Jn 15:12-14) The Lord chastens those whom He loves. I have seen the calamity of false teaching and false preaching, false prophecy, gibberish speaking. But full on cessationism is the consequence. I compel you to search the scriptures with a heart softened towards the Spirits direction. There are true manifestations of God's Holy Spirit. Walking in truth (the Word) and spirit (Holy Spirit) requires that you acknowledge His presence in you. Remember this, it is CHRIST'S SPIRIT! (Rom 8:9-16). Not separate but the same Spirit, God's Spirit! If you can't understand, then your faith in the Word is overcrowded by your biased interpretation of it! Remain of a soft heart for the word of God and the Spirt that dwell in you! In Jesus name I bless all who read. With love from your brother in Christ. RH

[@lulurosenkrantz3720]

Ex charismatic chaos . I believe if anyone genuinely seeks the truth God will reveal His truth .

[@ARenewedmind]

"Cessationism is a doctrine that spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing ceased with the Apostolic Age. The doctrine was developed in the reformation and is particularly associated with the Calvinists. More recent development has tended to focus on other spiritual gifts too, owing to the advent of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement that have popularised continuationism, the position that the spiritual gifts are meant for all Christians in every age." There Google answered me and others that might have wondered. Well now I know I can't listen to you, especially if part of being a cessasionist is to claim "healing" also ended because that is a lie! The same Holy Spirit that gives tongues also gives the gift of healing. My own son was literally brought back from death's door through prayer and healed! The gifts of the Holy Spirit is still active because the Holy Spirit is still on earth and brings glory to Christ through His work. Just because gifts are abused does not cancel the existence thereof.

[@jacobdiscipleofjesusforeve419]

Don't go from one ditch to the other. Find the narrow way.

[@loudan7995]

Once you see a miracle in your life you cease to be a cessationist.

[@RicTheStreetPreacher]

A cessationist doesn’t believe miracles don’t happen. We believe that the gifts of the Apostles passed away long ago. God still heals and saves.

[@loudan7995]

@@RicTheStreetPreacher ok i see but do you have one verse that says that the gifts of the Holy Spirit will cease at some point ?

[@kaea4821]

I’m one- felt the Holy Spirit fill me up & was immediately delivered from a 7 year addiction to opiates and benzodiazepines, NO WITHDRAWAL & no struggle to stay clean. That was in 2017. Still clean & seeking more of God.

[@loudan7995]

@@kaea4821 Blessings sister! you're the perfect example of the awesome power of the Holy Spirit ! Blessings from Montreal Canada.

[@ChadB74]

@loudan7995 I grew up Baptist, was there for my first 18 years and have been Pentecostal for over 20 years now. As a Baptist, I was never taught that miracles never happen, but they are fewer and far between than what many people think. Miracles by their nature are infrequent, not everyday or "normal". I suppose I would describe myself as a "conservative" Pentecostal if there is such a thing. Many of the Pentecostal churches I've attended or seen online focuses on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially tongues, and a lesser focus on theology, doctrine and evangelizing the lost. This is a focus on self and what God can give us, this also describes a lot of today's "worship" music. The gifts are important, but we should worship the giver of the gifts, not the gifts themselves. There should be a balance between the gifts and teaching the congregation about theology and doctrine.

[@Fireproof1313]

Is it not biblical to pray to the Spirit of God?

[@wabachakimani5143]

Mark 16:17 - 18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” Joel 2:28 - 29 And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.

[@valeriehancock1724]

I haven’t seen any of them pick up snakes with their hands, or drink poison..and I grew up charismatic.

[@TheKJRFam]

@@valeriehancock1724 💯

[@tshepo7904]

​@@valeriehancock1724that doesn't mean it's not true. If you base it of experience, then you are choosing that over scripture

[@coffeeandword]

I've made a response to this video outlining why former charismatics become cessationist based on experience and not Scripture

[@tshepo7904]

But that's not rhe Christian way to base it on experience and not scripture. That's why some people leave Christianity

[@coffeeandword]

@@tshepo7904 But that is exactly why he is a cessationist, because of experience.

[@tshepo7904]

@@coffeeandword but it shouldn't be that way if it isn't backed up by scripture. Andrew Tate changed from Christianity to Muslim because of experience and did not rely on scripture. That's why it's bad not looking at what scripture says

[@coffeeandword]

@tshepo7904 Yes, I agree with you. That's what makes the video so bad in my opinion. He states at the beginning why he became a cessationist and that it was based on Scripture, but then talks all about his experience and then follows it up with a very bad Biblical argument for cessationism. Which actually wasn't a Biblical argument at all.

[@tshepo7904]

@@coffeeandword Yeah, hopefully he hasn't hardened his heart and may he rely on scripture more 🙏🏾

[@SOWWHATAPOLOGETICS]

Pastor Hines, will you please do a video on WCF question 91? How can we understand the language as not meaning that baptism is what saves us? The wording sounds like thats what its saying in the answer.

[@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745]

Yes. You are misunderstanding it badly.

[@SOWWHATAPOLOGETICS]

@@reformedpresbyterianpulpit6745 I know! lol. I know it can't mean that baptism saves. I just was hoping you could unpack the language for us.

[@meripederson8379]

What is a cessationist?

[@unidahl5821]

What's with all the ads?

[@ChristisLord]

$

[@chuckgunn1359]

This was a fantastic message. Thank you for this.

[@toddboucher3302]

I go to a PCA church so I don’t know about a lot of his stuff, but I’ve heard people say these Pentecostals run the aisles and stuff. I never knew that meant so you’re actually saying they’re actually running up and down the aisles in the sanctuary of the church has hysterical. I think I would’ve been frightened.

[@jamesboyer8596]

No modern day prophets or apostles. Those who say they are have a record of contradicting scripture.

[@ARenewedmind]

I thought you were going to tell us what a "cessasionalist is? did I miss that? Now I have to Google it...

[@jenniferfanguy2812]

Introduced in college too

[@ShirleyM_Anne]

Pastor Hines, I appreciate hearing your testimony... wish you could check out Jim Brown with Grace and Truth Ministries... the most in depth teaching from biblical original languages on the internet...

[@robertdavidson3999]

What worries me is when people are casting demons out of believers who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is as close to blasphemy as you can get it. The Lord Jesus may say to them get away from me I never knew you. But Lord didn't we cast out demons in your name. May the Lord have mercy on their souls.

[@larryroach6887]

I'm sorry you had these experiences but there are solid Pentecostal/charismatic churches that preach the Word of God, and call sinners to repentance. I appreciate the scholarship of my Calvinist brothers and sisters. I think we need each other as 1 Corinthians 12 says. I wish we didn't have to be so divided on this issue. I recommend the book "Evangelical, Sacramental, Pentecostal, Why the Church Should Be All Three " by Gordon T Smith. The Bible has a lot to say about unity, also. The Brownsville revival was all about repentance. Many people came to Christ during that revival.

[@curious011]

why are there 2500 christians sects in just the USA? why can't God just tell us the truth on what to believe? It's a vERY human church. apparently unity is not something He cares about.

[@ReformedGibberish5881]

My story is very similar except I’m not a pastor

[@SteveMontjoy]

Don't deny the truth just because of all the false stuff that is going on, I am not charismatic even though I go to one, the reason I go to one is because there is truth there, it is both word and spirit working together