WHY I AM A JAZZ SNOB

[@alansenzaki4148]

Nice to see you again Ken. Well said. Iam seventy six years old and have held this music to my heart since i was fourteen and bought coltrane's giant steps. You are so right about this music. That funny cartoon is me...now iam discovering all these 50's and 60's female jazz/pop vocalists i missed because of an excellent ebay site and youtube! Please post more often we need your knowledge and input!

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Thanks Alan

[@garyhilbolt4363]

As the saying goes, "if you think education is expensive, try ignorance". Some people are too lazy to take the time to read, learn, listen and understand this subject at hand. Your point is well taken.

[@joemaison3597]

I komplitly agre

[@bumpdunlop]

My favorite part of the video is when you say that you have to LISTEN to jazz. I've been listening to mostly Jazz for perhaps 20 years. I started collecting records in the mid 60's in grade school. By the early 70's I was dabbling in Jazz Fusion which somehow lead me to smooth jazz, which lead to jazz. Today I listen to my favorite jazz records over and over again, trying to become so familiar with them that I know them like the back of my hand, like I used to know The Allman Bros at Fillmore East, etc. It takes alot of time to listen to a record twenty times or fifty times, but it is worth it. I can't remember what record it was, but recently I listened to side 1 four times in a row. It was so beautiful that I just got stuck. I thought to myself, damn, that is as good as Electric Ladyland, meaning that it is at the pinnacle. Amazing music.

[@SteveGuttenbergAudiophiliac]

Preach it!

[@gg.6967]

🤙🏿

[@Samlof]

Thank you . Nice Chanel. Iam is 58 years old. And are new to listen to Jazz. I have listen to jazz Music since a month a go.I have few cd with Miles Davis. I like your videos with Miles Davis.

[@EvanVincent.]

You got me all fired up! Thanks! I love jazz. Your passion for jazz is beautiful. Keep spreading the gospel of jazz!

[@BaldyFella]

Well said Ken. Dan's blunt militancy is rubbing off on you. Eloquently and passionately spoken Sir.

[@MrLovell1971]

Ken awesome video you tell the truth about Jazz and the musicians that made it possible. Jazz is a very important artform. I'm only 49 and I'm still learning and collecting about so many great jazz records from the 50's and 60's love it Ken take care. lovellandrew

[@tjtotheb]

Love ya Ken, love being a part of the FB group, means american tradition to myself and some of the most beautiful music one can hear

[@happycamper1029]

the more we openly discuss the more we can understand.

[@TheViewFrom2A]

Ken, I'll be heading over to the Facebook page to join the group. I find that the deeper I go into Jazz the more I have those"epiphany moments" and wonder why I took so long to "get it". Look forward to learning more over at the group...cheers.

[@ricksaunders]

Thanks, Ken. As Ive said before I was in 3-4 jazz lovers FB groups and have stayed with just JVL for the sheer lack of drama and dickishness. I think you're on point RE: Herb and Hirt and etc etc. and I appreciate you keeping things straight.

[@BottleneckMoses]

I love your passion, Ken.

[@coolmickey68]

nail on the head Ken, excellent! good o see you back, I know the videos take a lot but I speak for many when I say, make some more from time to time...

[@alansenzaki4148]

Another comment Ken after reading all the responses. Most encouraging to me is all the young jazz musicians coming up thanks to youtube which did'nt exist fifty years ago...especially gifted women artists like altoist Zoe Obadia (julliard graduate/mentored by wynton marsalis and lincoln center orchestra) and altoist Veronica Leahy(student at berklee school of music) and many others. They are coming into the foreground after the passing of so many of our masters in the last few years..Konitz,Tyner, Moody, Hutcherson,Roney etc. There is a new light!!

[@ggladiolus]

Ken, I'm with you! You got it right! There are more Jazz to jazz in blue note! Thanks for the brief!

[@TheOldDylanGuy]

Ken, I absolutely love your channel, looks forward to every video and browse the archives constantly for purchase inspirations, what should I dive into next, etc. Same for Daniel. Here is my only contention with your channel and Daniels (NO DISRESPECT INTENDED), I feel looked down upon for purchasing CDs. I have close to 2000 Jazz CD's and get immense pleasure out of it. The music is incredible, I don't feel like I am missing anything! It's about the music and these incredible artists, not the medium.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

That’s just a format decision. Nothing to feel bad about there. At the end of the day CD, vinyl, streaming, cassette, none of that really matters. It’s about the music

[@garygray9223]

Welcome back.....been too long! I describe Jazz as beauty out of chaos. Jazz artists are Titans in my world.

[@reisserjean-michelakabeeth8551]

Great video Ken ! As you suspect, I' m totally with you about every thing you say !

[@donalddrewel7862]

Thank you for the thought provoking video. Like you, I appreciated jazz for the virtuoso performances. Daniel's channel has opened my eyes to the context in which those performances were produced. It has given me a much more emotional connection to the music. You cannot get this same connection from Herb and the like.

[@PanAmStyle]

Bravo! This is one reason I follow you - a reliable source. I learn a lot, so keep on keepin’ on.

[@ggladiolus]

Jazz has such emotions that once the needle hits the grooves. The grooving stats!

[@Marnikvil]

Your knowledge and commitment is highly appreciated. Kind regards from Harald, Norway

[@tonykazz2779]

I'm following along for the education. I've never been a Jazz lover or admirer. You brought me to discover the jazz Shepherd and I'm a fan of your philosophy in gear selections. Thank you for all this work Tony in Venice Florida.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Thanks Tony

[@johnhukle7606]

Finally a new video. Awesome.

[@chuckgillespie1]

Love it sir

[@Danielvanderpoll]

We are grateful for your contribution Ken !

[@LJMcG]

Great post, Ken! All points are spot on. Keep ‘er lit!

[@miguelbarrio]

Love this Ken. An amazing video, have watched it many times.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

many times. we need to get you another day job!! Thanks Miguel.

[@SanAntoneRose]

Nailed it. Thank you.

[@davidphillips6543]

I like watching this content from you Ken. More from the heart please.

[@louissilvani1389]

Great video thanks Can’t separate the black experience totally agree

[@panagiotisargyropoulos2217]

Good to see you again. I feel for you like you.

[@georgealanlpsandcds9311]

Hi Ken, it seems like it has been a while - glad to see you again. You bring up a good point about what is jazz and what isn't :)

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Thanks George

[@rockerbyal]

Hi Ken, what got me into Jazz was seeing the Doc/film "Jazz on a summers day" on its release in my local East London cinema, really went to see because i had heard Chuck Berry was in it, but wow saw Dinah Washing ton, heard Gerry Mulligan, Monk, Shearing, and many more, many yra later it was on t.v.and eventually got the D.V.D. yea that film was my intro into Jazz,

[@paulw8860]

Like classic music, you say that so greatly

[@gavinshaunbeck5486]

Hi Ken, You cant say it in better way . So Nice.

[@hoselrocket2001]

Love the passion. This needed to be said.

[@flatrocker6675]

I am relatively new to jazz, but I'm all in, especially with the new releases. Thanks for sharing your perspective and knowledge. I knew I should have filed my Tijuana B LPs somewhere other than where they are now...

[@nocashback]

Black Artist Group came out of St. Louis. Many of the members moved to NYC and were major players in the New York Loft Jazz scene in the 70’s. Tribe was Detroit... If anyone is interested in further reading, Benjamin Looker’s book BAG- “point from which creation begins” is incredible!

[@catfood8863]

Man, you are on Fire! Totally agree with you... so I guess I'm a Jazz snob too! Seriously, you are right about the fact that we should pay our respect to all of those great artists who gave their lives to the magnificent artform that is Jazz. We are comfortably seated in our living rooms enjoying the fruit of their labors like we deserve it while we probably don't. Respect, humility and recognition that's the way to approach things in my opinion. And, as you said : LISTEN people! Jazz ain't that disposable garbage radios are vomiting on a daily basis to sell shit! It's the purest of art that can transform you if you are wise enough and sensible enough to let it to. BTW nice hairdo Ken!

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Eraser head lives!

[@catfood8863]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Ah ah ah! Good one! Didn't even think about it, but now that you mentioned it...

[@Shawn_at_Vinyl_Minimalist]

Glad to find your channel and eager to see more. I also, am a pain in the ass. In my case its mostly around the genres of Punk, Prog .Sludge and Doom

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Thank you, Kim

[@Jake-2011-]

More video please . We need more.

[@mattreis8988]

That short movie Cry of Jazz by Sun Ra discusses the differences that existed between white and black jazz way back in the day. Of course it all comes down to soul, like what Pat Metheny talked about during his speech at the Society for Neuroscience conference.

[@carlgrovestudios1]

Amen brother!

[@mymixture965]

Agree, you are right and sometimes the truth hurts a little.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

I had trouble facing the truth in other areas of my life but not jazz

[@mymixture965]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Truth? you can't have all of it, but when you grab a small part of it, you should be lucky.

[@TheJazzShepherd]

love that new branding,.... great logo

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

our man Sven

[@TheJazzShepherd]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 its killer great vid

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@TheJazzShepherd I expect all the ignorant, haters to come out. Thanks

[@sidvicious3129]

My man Dan you are rubbing off on Ken and that’s a great thing. Dan you and Ken are doing great things here. My hands are off to the both of you!!! I listen to and have tons of the artist that both of you, Ken and Dan talk about and show and I’m sure I have artist that you both haven’t shown. My collection is in a word huge and stretches across many venues, but it’s about 80 percent Jazz. I’m extremely familiar in more ways than either of you will ever know. Keep up the great work both of you and Dan keep grinding. The new intro Ken is outstanding.

[@jasonhoffer9017]

I agree with what you are saying whole heartedly - the level of arrogance mixed with ignorance when talking about music is something I battle with and run into everyday. It is also something really hard to pin someone down, label and explain. After hearing this I guess that it really comes down to accepting that you may not know something, realize that you could be wrong about something, have a real interest and desire to learn something new and move on with your life. I have to plead ignorance when it comes to Herb Ellis not being Jazz (I have one of his records on Concord) but know little to nothing more than that. Thanks again for verbalizing your frustrations and want of a better community.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Ellis is a fine player. Herb Alpert is the non jazz player.

[@jasonhoffer9017]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Okay great - I obviously hear you wrong. I thought for a second I had to reevaluate my Jazz section. :)

[@DonHamlin]

Right on target, very well said.

[@DavidCorway]

Superb rant Ken.

[@danmartinez5502]

I have been into Jazz since the early 70's. Ken I love your passion and I have learned alot from you from your videos. Especially your recommendations requests you replied to. We both know that when you work in a record store (Musicland) you get exposed to many types of customers. When they are willing to learn something new it is a great time to open some new doors for them. However in the past not all are ready to expand their music. That said Jazz itself can be hard for some to understand in your group. They don't understand that every trumpet player can't be Chet Baker or Miles. Herb A. is very talented but you are right he is not Jazz, but can sound Jazz like to some not as experienced.( One Jazz ballad by Herb.A doesn't mean he is a Jazz artist) He has released tons of albums as you know.Latin Music

[@thegrimyeaper]

I remember when music stores were a thing here in Norway. When I wanted to find Marvin Gaye, Barry White or Isaac Hayes I'd have to look in the Jazz section.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Barry white? That’s funny

[@Nigel-nar53]

Fine words thank you. 👍

[@tommymaguire2839]

Well said Ken. Love your passion. If only you hadn't have been so rude when I visited the Jazz Record Center last year.........

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Tommy, please accept my apology. Some saturdays I go nuts.

[@tommymaguire2839]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 , no problem. Thanks for that response. Thanks also for the channel and your brilliant commentary.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@tommymaguire2839 Come back on another saturday at JRC, good discount is yours.

[@tommymaguire2839]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Not necessary, but incredibly kind of you man. Just shaking the hand of a guy as knowledgable as yourself would be all I'd look for.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@tommymaguire2839 Thanks. I know a little about a few things. Nice of you to say that.

[@PoulPetersen]

Well said and true

[@danielpatterson3715]

Well done ,. Ken.

[@lazarus18]

Interesting discussion, what defines modern jazz? If you're using samples, or drum machines, is that still jazz? I would say it can be. Jazz is always changing, sometimes that line isn't so clear.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

If you;re an actual jazz player, like Marcus Strickland or Robert Glasper or Donnie McClasin, then use of samples will be judicious and "in the idiom." But if it's all samples, manipulated by a DJ, and not jazz artists who also improvise, jazz it ain't

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Though the first Cinematic Orchestra comes close, though samples don't swing.

[@lazarus18]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 If the DJ improvises with those samples, and there are other musicians responding to what the DJ is doing... I don't know. Seems like jazz is not something easily defined, and while I'm not arguing that MOST things that are sampled would fall more under hip-hop or R&B, I also don't think it excludes them from the category of jazz. Interesting to think about.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@lazarus18 Who is the jazz group with a DJ playing samples. DJs used to jam with some jazz cats, not often, and it was a gimmick, and no longer happens. It's either hip hop or electronic dance music. Someone like Mark Guiliana uses samples and makes electronic music but he's a stone cold jazz drummer. He doesn't cross his jazz group with his electronic group.

[@lazarus18]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 I think Glasper is a good example, and some of the UK jazz scene blends the line between jazz and dance or club music. I don’t know if I have a specific example in my head, it’s just interesting to try and define a constantly changing genre. It has been argued that turntables are the only new instrument of the last century. I would expect jazz to incorporate them at some point. Thanks for your videos and all you do, always enjoy it.

[@heribertovalentin1563]

Right on Ken....very well said.....👏👏👏

[@oscarporteroazcona7585]

Jazz is even better than faith ThxK 💥✨🎷✨💥

[@manasparekh1230]

I got into jazz in 2019. Once you go thru that gateway, there's no going back. I've listened to all kinds of music, from thrash metal to lounge chill. Jazz is like a timeless flowing river, it has a calming, relaxing effect on me. It's all I listen to nowadays. Whether it's a late night listening session or whether I'm working and it's playing in the background, it's just relaxing. I've come to appreciate and respect the skill required to be a jazz musician, over that of a metal or Rock. It takes years of practice and theory before you reach anywhere.

[@garrettsmth]

“Jazz washes away the dust of everyday life” - Art Blakey

[@delfordwilson7338]

Well said!!

[@bonessostef51]

We need Jazz this is just a society necessity

[@torres870rem]

Post-bop & Hard bop all the way!!!

[@1999zrx1100]

Couldn’t agree more Ken. I’m 64 and find the more I learn the more I realize how little I know. Those cats are looking down smiling😎

[@notDonaldFagen]

Haha Derek, you sold me your 2M Bronze 2 years ago. Random internet encounter.

[@DeVOREFIDELITY]

Yes yes yes yes yes!

[@BarakaPDub]

I don't envy you at all. Moderating a forum like that, has to be a major pain in the a$$ so I totally get your rant. I can forgive the novices that don't know any better but arguing with the idiots can be a lost cause. Wasted energy on your part for something you're only doing as a passion project. Sometimes, you just need to embrace losing and become a better individual from the loss. Sadly, we're slowly drifting away from that as a society.

[@tweakerman]

Well said Ken👍

[@eduardoaranda668]

Great Video Ken. I,ve seen that stubborn people in the group, i was fired months ago from JVL maybe because im away from home (and i still) for work and i didn´t post a record in a while, so i understand. But i will back and send the request. Keep safe, greetings.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Please return

[@NickP333]

Ken, I don’t see you as a pain in the ass in the least. You just seem very passionate and extremely knowledgeable. People can take that how they will.

[@TheJohnniegolden]

Ain't nothing wrong with standards brother. Keep the art real, keep the art pure.

[@joemaison3597]

I watch all your videos and I dont feel any pain in the ass

[@EliahHoliday]

I've been doing a Jazz radio show for the last year. I'd say 85% of what I play ranges from Ragtime up to mid 60's Hard Bop. More modern Jazz I'll only play if it is comparable to the classics. Meaning I don't care for the current day contemporary Jazz or Jazz fusion or Avant Guard Jazz or Jazz inspired music. Yeah that makes me a snob but once you've heard something like Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers it's rather difficult to listen to the ennuyeux of most of today's so called Jazz. I get listeners commenting that they were never into Jazz until they started listening to my show. So I think I'm doing something right.

[@norrieclark5217]

Keep up the good fight.

[@marknachmias423]

Amen

[@dennisng4627]

Hi Ken, traditional jazz is unfortunately a dying art. As a student at Cal State Long Beach in the early 80’s, a teacher would played KKGO (a dedicated jazz station out of the LB campus) & it drove me crazy. Then I listened to mainly singer/songwriters & rock; jazz, to me, was for my dad’s generation. Somehow, I started to pick up on the complexity of the music. I could not follow the rhythm or the directions of the musicians. It was all to perplexing for me to understand or to appreciate. I loved it! Rock was remedial when compares to jazz for me. Since then I have amassed thousands of LPs, cds, books & attended hundreds of concerts. I have also acquired a stereo system designed around acoustic jazz(Conrad-johnson & Magnepan). Jazz is always fresh, dynamic, emotive, intelligent every time I listen to it. Unfortunately, most people do not want to invest the time & energy to this art form. Even in the great city of Los Angeles, the local jazz station has gone mainstream to gain listeners. However, I do urge everyone to listen to 91.1 KCSM (San Francisco) for great jazz & knowledgeable jazz aficionados. Ken, I’m with you...keep promoting your love for jazz.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

There's a big audience for hard bop, hence, the zillions of reissues of Blue Note and Prestige titles. But in the world of music, Jazz gets little notice.

[@histubeness]

What got muted at 8:00?

[@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084]

What am admission. Jazz has become orthodox. Conservative. Not the art but what the "aficionados" have done with the music. The original musicians would indeed be shocked at what has happened to their art. Institutionalized and put under glass. Rules placed on their struggle and pain. What qualifies as Jazz? And who decides? Who? Well...Just look around and you can see who. Orthodox and conservative. This is particularly true of the purist. Jazz wasn't made by or for the purist. It was meant to let the soul free. But it has been captured? Captured by those who make rules. Orthodox. Conservative.

[@aw6936]

Well said. Here in the UK the only radio channel offering regular jazz was (is?) BBC Radio 3 - primarily a classical music station. (I first heard Ornette Coleman on Charles Fox's afternoon record review - and Ornette's been with me ever since!) But Radio 3 is now so dumbed-down that we had to endure - in a slot called "Jazz Greats" - an hour of Tony Bennett. At which point I gave up. But I have a question - deliberately provocative. Is there anything - anything at all - being recorded now that, musically, could not have been made in, say, 1970? After all, Coltrane, Ornette, Mingus, Monk - all sound so incredibly modern - which is why I find it hard to get beyond them.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

I love my BBC music app, but, you're right, where's the jazz? I concur re 1970. The difference being with digital they can combine multiple takes. But I don't hear modern composers in jazz who fan match the artists you noted

[@lastcrateontheleft]

Well said Ken! ✌🏻

[@jamesromain9097]

George Ziskind on jazz: "What you're doing is important," he would say. "You're a musician, too, and you know how hard it is to play this stuff," he often remarked. "People need to learn to appreciate that. You can't just pour it our of a can. Don't they know how many people died for this music?" jazzprofiles.blogspot.com/2019/10/lou-levy-most-musical-pianist-from.html?m=1

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Thank you

[@socaranectien1933]

What do you mean by crummy cd sources? 7:55

[@dank.6942]

So where does one put Herb Alpert when organizing? (asking for a friend)

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Pop.

[@rickg8015]

Yesh, that was Don Cheadle’s project.. What film do you think really was true to the spirit of “Jazz”?

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

The Sound of Jazz, Robert Altman's Kansas City, Mo Bettuh BLues was dumb but included actual burning jazz musicians, jazzfuel.com/best-jazz-documentaries/

[@rickg8015]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Thanks Ken! I haven’t seen Kansas City.. I have seen a lot of Altman’s work but not that one. I remember liking Round Midnight with Dexter Gordon when I was a kid..

[@tracezacur6784]

Ehhh that's a little harsh. Jazz has widely been acknowledged as having broader lines than perviously thought... Go watch/read interviews with Herbie, Brecker, miles; they all hung and played with so called "smooth jazz" artists. Just like how black artists can't remove their experience from their music neither can smooth jazz players remove their inherit taste/experience from their music. Eg, gerald albright, kenny g, herp alpert. They all grew up absorbing jazz greats and it comes out in their individual way. the problem in jazz comes from fundamentalists, who insist that we can freeze music in time (30s-50s) meanwhile people are preparing to live on mars and carry a fully operational computer,camera and phone all in one in their pocket. Every genre adapts and incorporates new stuff. The debate is good, but the absolutism is not and it's wayyy more prevalent in jazz. Maybe tied with rock/classical... But the community is especially toxic.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

You miss the entire point of my video. Stop any American on the street. Ask him or her who is Charles Mingus? Hank Mobley? Louis Armstrong. Then get back to me. And that you would even mention smooth jazz makes your comment especially weak. I write about current and past jazz artists, but they're actually JAZZ artists.

[@TheJazzShepherd]

So then Kanye is as Hip Hop as Chuck D? They are not all synonymous. The spirit and feel is so diminished in that cut and paste knock off jazz, it is insulting to be sharing the same shelves as the greats. It all comes down to what the art makes us feel, and think. Social injustice vs shopping for cologne !

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

So...smooth jazz is fine. But my defending artists in the actual history of the music, who the average American knows nothing about, is bad. Idiot.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@TheJazzShepherd the hip hop comment is another entire video. I think you get my point? It's an American art form, one of three. Who said anything about Kanye?

[@TheJazzShepherd]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 I was responding to the initial commentor To my ears. Kanye is easy listening Hiphop

[@fredericmorris2931]

Excellent video. General point is unassailable. But aren’t there hard cases of who’s jazz and who’s not? Vocalists, vocal groups, big bands and guitarists seem to pose hard cases. Nancy Wilson? Brazil 66? Swingle Singers? Nelson Riddle? Glenn Miller? Les Paul? Chet Atkins? You tell me. What about career phase? Nat Cole Trio era versus Lazy Hazy Days of Summer? Or setting - Frank Sinatra: always, never, or only with Count Basie? Ditto Tony Bennett, e.g. with Bill Evans. This is harder than it than it looks!

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

I hear you. I'd take the vocalists on a case by case. The other thing, jazz and swing rhythms were the major currency in music right through the 70s. That's why you had big bands on every US talk show. The swing feel was everywhere. Commercials, tv theme shows. BVut not every singer who sang over a swing beat was a jazz singer. To me it's about recognition of a a blues feeling. Sinatra had it, Mel Torme though super white, had it. Robert Goulet, Doris Day did not. Most big bands are swing bands , jazz guitarists stand out by a mile. Nancy Wilson was sterile to me but some think she is jazz. And I think all popular Brazilian music of the 60s has been absorbed into jazz via standards and rhythms.

[@NostalgiaSmith]

Don't get mad Ken; get even...convince 'em that Metal Machine Music is the new Jazz

[@Baz63]

Jazz was / is the one great art form the USA gave to the world.

[@pedroazevedo6747]

Great videos Ken but you should do something about those intros, that elevator music man... Not good :p Jokking aside, great stuff, keep up the good work!

[@carlfuggiasco7495]

Totally dug what you just said. That said you did show a pic of Harpo Marx. Is that a reference to his Mercury recording of what they call jazz harp? It of course is not jazz. However it is a well recorded fun recording. I bought it because I love the sound of Mercury Living Presence classical recordings as well as the Quincy Jones big band stuff. Quincy on Mercury to me is jazz and Harpo is just a fun collectable on the same label. Why one would argue that Harpo or as mentioned Herb Alpert are jazz is weird to me. They are fun. They are pop and have their own place, but they ain't JAZZ! So said, what other recording are these folks ranting as being jazz but ain't? I'm curious.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Love Harpo. Alpert, electronic music or hip hop tHt samples jazz, afrobeat, easy listening and windham hill

[@williamjackson6705]

Someone in a record store looked at me like I was a lunatic when I tried to tell him that Leo Kottke was not a jazz musician . That`s just how little people know about Jazz. They think any thing not classical or Rock is Jazz. My former supervisor thought Yanni was on the same level as Beethoven.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

BOOM

[@Theomite]

I take it you mean "former" because you slapped the shit out of him when he said that.

[@MrEjw3]

What can you do? People who tend to like lighter fare like Herb Alpert may never get to appreciate the classics you and Dan talk about. I grew up in a musical family and my older brothers were really strict about who they respected. Anybody who crossed into more fusion or rock elements was dissed. Of course, those were the people I liked(WR,RTF,PONTY,Mahavisnu,etc.), snobbery is something I have leveled at me from time to time. Main thing is, great knowledgable people like yourself add to the conversation. I really enjoy what you cover. How about an Enja profile? Peace!

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

I came through fusion I love all that music. And all those guys were jazz musicians before they were fusion musicians. It is so hard to find Enja records! Tgank you

[@patrickashby15]

You are so right Ken .When I think of what Monk or Mingus just to name two great artists had to go through just to get their music heard it makes my blood boil.

[@curtist358]

Enjoyed the rant. I don't have a FB account so I'm not sure of the context. I would only say I get the impression that you and Daniel are biased toward an era and style of jazz that defines it for you and makes an emotional connection. Jazz constantly changes. There's no way all those artists you mention from the era you revere, if they were alive today, would be playing the same tunes they played 60 years ago. Because they're great artists, and because jazz as an art form continues to evolve, they would undoubtedly be involved in hip-hop, electronics and much more. Sorry if this is off topic or not understanding what you were getting at. Love your channel.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

That’s not my point. At all. I’m not saying put the music in a glass cage and never touch it. I’m saying you have to respect those artist who made the music. And they are not respected in America. Most Americans have no idea they even exist. There’s a lot of great jazz being made today and every contemporary jazz player knows the history of the music and has respect for it. They couldn’t be Jasmine sessions if they weren’t building on the foundation.

[@curtist358]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Sorry I misunderstood. It sounds like you have an issue with American popular culture more than any music. I’m not sure what level of respect would be appropriate for you. There’s a lot of myth-making and hero worship, especially by Daniel, of a certain era of artists as being some kind of transcendent figures. In reality, they were just flawed people like all of us. They needed gigs to pay rent, sometimes buy dope, etc. To portray them as faultless creatives who died for their art is manufacturing a false narrative to fit your admiration. Lee Morgan died cause his wife was pissed about his side lady. If you want to say he died for jazz, umm ok. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

@@curtist358 Ellington, Basie, Morgan, Mobley, Miles Davis, Billie Holiday (couldn't work during her prime years cause her cabaret card revoked, the greatest of all jazz singers), all the great artists are a) ignored and mistreated by the American people-jazz is its true classical music, a great art form that deserves respect (b these Black musicians suffered terribly under America's racist culture which existed then as now c) these artists should be heralded by American's instead they piss on them in every way imaginable d) if they didn't die for their art, they certainly shed their blood, literally, while blacks on the whole were mistreated, to say the least. This is not misplaced hero worship, this is the simple due these geniuses deserve, which they never received. If you think Coltrane, Ellington, Monk, Mingus etc are not great artists and deserve the shit they've been served by an ignorant culture, then we have nothing to talk about.

[@TheJazzShepherd]

@@curtist358 how u interpret what say to sat this??? IS beyond me...

[@phonatic]

So true, the movie "Miles Ahead" is utter garbage, but the recent documentary "Birth of the Cool" is nothing short of brilliant. It really goes into the deep and pays so much respect to the human being behind his music.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Agreed

[@rickg8015]

I’m currently digging Nubya Garcia in terms of up and coming young artists.. I’m curious of what you think of her.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

I heard an earlier album of her's that I liked. But the all female band she is part of is a little weak. Love the general new jazz coming out of the UK now. I like all the acts on We Out Here.

[@rickg8015]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Cool.. I really dug her playing live in this NPR gig: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoWsi5yhlrSHeqc

[@AsTheTableTurns]

But when you get on the edges of Jazz isn't hard to categorize something as one or the other. Is Louis Jordan Jazz? Is Tito Puente Jazz? Is Chuck Mangione Jazz? Is there a hard line?

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

Simple. Mangione is jazz, made plenty of bop jazz before he became famous. Puente is Afro Cuban, salsa, a style that has influenced jazz. Louis Jordan is jump jazz, of course it's jazz.

[@garrettsmth]

TELL EMMMM

[@sprachnroll]

While I agree that it’s annoying how jazz is applied to many forms of music (when I lived in Portland OR the “jazz” station would play Stevie Wonder calling it jazz) I also have to admit I was turned onto jazz because the rock band Traffic had a sax player causing my teen brain to thereby assume ‘I must like jazz’ and start buying “real” jazz records (Mingus Ah Um an early purchase). So yeah, I think you’re being a little hard on Al Hirt.

[@rodrigollanes7619]

What is the music in the video?

[@DefenestrateYourself]

Let’s maybe put more of our energy toward bringing in new jazz enthusiasts and providing ladders of opportunity to new talent, instead of aggressively gatekeeping what jazz is or isn’t. Seems like a redefinition of priorities is in order.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

my priority in a jazz vinyl group is to keep it jazz vinyl. It's simple. It's not rocket science. And I still get push back. It's incredible.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

People need to know the history. ALL the great jazz musicians know the history, studying the greats is what made them great. listeners should do no less.

[@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455]

But if you wanna keep an open mind and call non jazz, jazz, well, you have fun with that.

[@curtist358]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Would love to know your specific criteria for you to call something jazz.

[@DefenestrateYourself]

@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Thanks for attempting to put words in my mouth. You sound like a very balanced human being. I guess enjoy not addressing any of the points I made. Cheers