Why I believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture | Matthew

[@RobertFurrow]

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[@issuesthatmatter2825]

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 16And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. rev 16... what is done? the mystery.. in a twinkling of an eye..

[@raw7279]

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

[@issuesthatmatter2825]

@@raw7279 yes the falling away from faith and antichrist will be revealed before the rapture.

[@brianchampion3337]

If God has forgiven us, thrown our sins into the sea of forgetfulness and chooses to remember them no more, then why would he punish us by imposing his wrath on us ?

[@raw7279]

@@brianchampion3337 He wouldn't I don't believe in that.

[@panchui4537]

This video is being of great help , dear pastor and I thank you wholeheartedly. The main point of clarification and insight was and is what you said of the timing of being prepared. If rapture happens mid trib and end- of- trib , that implies we don't need to be ready now ( we can take it easy) but if the rapture is pretrib ( unknown when) we should stand our guard and be ready NOW just as Our Lord ordered us to be. 🙏🤝👏

[@RobertFurrow]

Thank you

[@Kongo009]

Death can also take anyone without notice, so even mid and post must still be ready right now...

[@godisholy7067]

I was thinking the exact same thing ❤️

[@jamesstumpff7774]

We can take it “easy”…right…I’m NOT INTERESTED in following Christ now…AND PROCLAIMING CHRIST…but once they start lopping Saints heads off..then I’ll jump up and acknowledge Christ…every now and then we just need to read our work and think it through If you and I are NOT grounded in Christ…RIGHT NOW…do you really think magic happens when the shooting starts I’m ex military…your logic sounds like this…let’s not study warfare…UNTIL…there’s an actual war Doesn’t work right?

[@kevinstamper9796]

Don’t be deceived Resurrection is mentioned not Rapture. Paul was conveying the Resurrection but they didn’t know Jesus said “I go to PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU” pls read the whole chapter in Thes 4& Cor 15

[@IndianTuning]

Great references! I am a pre-tribulation Christian. As you cited, God clearly spells out we will be spared the trial of the tribulation. Thank you for the solid foundation you are providing!

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Graig

[@henrymiranda1440]

I do appreciate you leaving your comment section open unlike other churches that disable that option.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Henry

[@jus2bme02]

Yes I don't watch anyone who suppress free speech.

[@morghe321]

​@jus2bme02 then you must not watch James White on Alpha & Omega Ministries, lol

[@perrypeaden5842]

Thank You for Your stance and proclaiming the truth of God's Word.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Perry

[@marlenearcher3987]

I enjoyed this very much I used to think I would go THRU IT, whatever "IT" was. No longer. I am now looking up for my redemption draws nearer every hour. He is faithful and True.

[@RobertFurrow]

Keep your eyes on the skies!

[@nzbrotrev9028]

@Mike Cribbage So then who are the people in heaven chp 5 before the seals are opened chp 6.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@Mike Cribbage The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@pedrojr.hangad2147]

I believe in this because Jesus would never never allow his bride to suffer in the hands of the Antichrist ...before tribulation our almighty saviour Jesus will return for his bride, the church ...its us who believe in almighty Son of God Jesus Christ...

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks for sharing! Blessings!

[@divac7777]

Did God allow Noah to suffer during the flood?

[@edugalin6311]

Matthew 24:13 [13]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

[@RobertFurrow]

Right

[@sweetblueman]

The preachers of pre trib are strange, not preparing the Church for tribulation..

[@artcarlson3581]

@@sweetblueman no need for preparation for an event we won't be there for.

[@artcarlson3581]

The verse is a true verse, but Jesus was not talking to the Church in that verse. He was talking to those in the Tribulation and was speaking to the Nation Israel and those not taken in the Rapture.

[@sweetblueman]

@@artcarlson3581 so where did Jesus tell there is Rapture before great tribulation in his discourse?

[@marcusthomas8527]

One single verse eliminates the idea of a Pre or Mid-trib rapture. Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Marcus, that is not the Rapture, it is the gathering of the tribulation saints.

[@marcusthomas8527]

@@RobertFurrow lol ok.

[@scottdunn2178]

I think we're down to the last few grains of sand in the hourglass... Come Lord Jesus 🙏

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Scott, me too

[@scottdunn2178]

@@RobertFurrow 🙏

[@F15CEAGLE1]

MARANATHA! ❤️🎚️⌛️

[@robinrandall1045]

I love these Hot Topics! You are concise yet thorough! Biggest biblical back up to me for pre-trib rapture is that ...like a thief in the night. No surprise mid or post if you are paying attention.

[@RobertFurrow]

thank you and I see your point ;-)

[@JoshTUBE6]

The rapture is not meant to be a surprise to the true Christian that was why Jesus and the New Testament writers emphasized the need to “watch” so that the day rapture does not take one by surprise. The rapture will only be a surprise to unbelievers and “christians” who are not watching. I’m still studying this topic, but in my opinion, the rapture will have the same effect of surprise to those it will surprise whether it is pre- or mid. I don’t believe in a post-rapture because, by that time it would be clear to the whole world that God’s wrath is in full swing (Rev 6:16,17) so a rapture would not be surprising.

[@mattyounts9400]

1 Thessalonians 5: 2-4 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. He comes as a thief to those who are in darkness according to verse 4.

[@JoshTUBE6]

@@mattyounts9400 I respectfully have to disagree with your chronology of events. It is a mistake to equate the trumpet blast for the rapture with the fourth trumpet of judgement! A plain reading of scripture indicates that the rapture does not occur after the 4th trumpet. Here are a few pointers: 1. After the fourth trumpet there is no indication whatsoever of a rapture (or a gathering, if you like) of saints. 2. Revelation 7 (which very much portrays a rapture of saints) occurs between the 6th and the 7th seals. 3. The confession of people on earth after the opening of the 6th seal (Rev 6:12-17) clearly indicate that the wrath of God was about to commence. Note that this was BEFORE any of the 7 trumpets of judgements were blown. 4. Since God's people are not appointed unto wrath, it only makes sense that there is a gathering (rapture) of saints between the 6th and the 7th seals, and BEFORE the trumpet judgements 5. The cosmic disturbances described after the opening of the 6th seal (Rev 6:12-14) correlates better with Jesus' description of the events than those described after the 4th trumpet.

[@mattyounts9400]

@@JoshTUBE6 Yes, yes I can see this. Thank you. The sun is darkened after the opening of the 6th seal according to Rev. 6:12. That would be the first indication of the sun and moon darkened. What was Paul talking about in 1 Corinthians 15:52? What last trump? So, when is the Antichrist revealed? At the start of tribulation or middle?Matthew 24:15 says when he stands in the Holy Place. Is this in the midst or middle of the week as described in Daniel 9:27? To me, it sounds like we are here for the tribulation. Jesus has always been with his people and seen his people through in various circumstances. We have to face the first 6 seals which include the 4 horsemen, with the last being the pale horse of Hell (Rev. 6:8). I see what you are saying and will study it more. Thank you for your correction. I have just been confused as to what Paul meant in Corinthians about the last trump. Please, I’d like to continue. What is your view on when we get outta here!?!

[@everyvillageeverycity4709]

Thank you for bringing this topic up. But kindly clarify - are you saying that the great tribulation and the wrath of God are the same? And you mentioned 1 Corinthians 15:52 - "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMPET. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed". Is this "last" trumpet same as the seventh trumpet mentioned in Revelations 11:15. Kindly shed further light on this subject.

[@RobertFurrow]

Jeffrey, thanks for you patients. yes I am saying the tribulation period is the same as the Wrath of God. This seven year period seen in Revelation 6-18, starts with he lamb of God opening the first seal. so the wrath of the lamb comes for the Lamb. as far as the last trumpet goes, we don't know if this is the last trumpet in a serious of Trumpets or the Last one ever. you could say "it is the last day" but did you mean the last day of the week or the last day ever. we have to look at the context to figure out what the last trumpet is and unfortunately over the years many scholars have disagreed. hope this helps

[@Kman.]

The entire tribulation is the "WRATH" of God. There are numerous words/phrases that are used to refer to the tribulation, i.e. "day/time/period/hour", etc. We know it is not a "DAY" as we measure time, nor an "HOUR" like we would count on our clocks. A sampling of that & how it is defined/described is found in *Zeph **1:14**-17...* The great *DAY* of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the *DAY* of the LORD: the _MIGHTY MEN SHALL CRY THERE BITTERLY_ That *DAY* is a day of _WRATH_ a *DAY* of _TROUBLE AND DISTRESS_ a *DAY* of _WASTENESS and DESOLATION,_ a *DAY* of _DARKNESS and GLOOMINESS,_ a *DAY* of _CLOUDS and THICK DARKNESS_ A *DAY* of the trumpet and _ALARM_ against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring _DISTRESS_ upon men, that _THEY SHALL WALK AS BLIND MEN,_ because they have sinned against the LORD: and their _BLOOD SHALL BE POURED OUT_ as dust, and their flesh as the _DUNG_ Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the *DAY* of the _LORD'S WRATH:_ but the whole land shall be _DEVOURED_ by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

[@Kman.]

@Mike Cribbage Forgive me, but I'm not 100% sure what you're speaking of, as your comment doesn't seem to speak to a/thing I stated, but you're talking about what the person above (Jeffrey Almario) was noting? What's your point...could you please elaborate to better establish that for me? TIA

[@Kman.]

@Mike Cribbage You're using eisegisis on *I Cor **15:52* You're crafting a narrative into what you want it to be. You're LIFTING the word *"LAST"* from a verse and forcing it upon your preconceived idea. Look... This trump is *NOT* the last trump by _any s-t-r-e-t-c-h._ During the 1k reign of Christ, the trump will blow @ the Feast of Tabernacles, so what you've stated is a non sequitor. You're placing your own dots down so to be able to connect them easier. Hey...gotta go...time to eat, then time to chill & then off to get a good night's rest. Shalom~~~:)

[@Brandon4Christ]

Absolutely not the last trumpet is referring to the feast of trumpets and the final blow of the trumpet

[@Wilwaukee_tool]

What do you do with 2 Thess 2:3 then... “Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?” ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:3-5‬ ‭

[@RobertFurrow]

They believed they were in the tribulation period, Paul told them the were not in it because the man of sin is not reveled.

[@wordofgod.4526]

Agreed. ..

[@noraplowshay8784]

Those who endure to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13

[@Kman.]

That's a bible verse, yes. That verse has *ZERO* to do with our salvation. Did you want to expound on that verse and passage as a whole?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Nora, What are you saying by quotation this verses?

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@Kman. The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@doonalm8930]

I believe in the pre-trib rapture because it simply dose not make sense that us Christian's would have to go through God's wrath and judgement when we have already been saved.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks doonalm, And the Bible tells us we have been set free from His wrath.

[@lmcbride7758]

I am a post trib believer because of the verses: 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (15) According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. (16) For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. (17) After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 2 Thessalonians 2 talks about the Rapture clarifying what Paul told them in 1 Thessalonians Matthew 24 29-31 (29) “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (30) And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. (31) And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Matthew 24:10-13 (10) And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. (11) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks, very comprehensive.

[@toddblanket35]

Post 7 years? Or after tribulation, but before wrath?

[@lmcbride7758]

End of tribulation but before the final wrath judgement.

[@petervonbergen5364]

i didnt know the passage in luke 21. That is by far the best argument for the pretrib rapture I heard until now. He explicitly says "that you may be counted worthy to espace all that" - obviously referring to the end times. Wow. You made a good case.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thank you, Glad your were blessed

[@chloetorres142]

Rapture coming to a World near you

[@RobertFurrow]

It will be a great day!

[@showchoir2056]

I have been debating someone on the pre tribulation belief. I don’t know which one I believe yet. I am still looking into it because I am so new to all of this. But this person said that if you think it’s the mid or post tribulation you will be left behind if it turns out to be the pre tribulation. Is this person arrogant? If someone truly loves Jesus and has lives his life for them, but they think it’s post tribulation, will they be left? Do you agree with this person?

[@RobertFurrow]

No I don not, nowhere does it say if you don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture you will be left behind.

[@showchoir2056]

@@RobertFurrow thank you. He keeps telling me I better keep searching for the truth because my eternal soul depends on it. Saying your eternal soul depends on believing in the pre trib rapture isn’t biblical right?

[@showchoir2056]

@@RobertFurrow he said “Proverbs 25:2 says God conceals things for his glory. The pre trib part of the Bible is concealed for his glory, but only concealed from those who don’t care enough to see it.” Do you think that passage is talking about what he’s saying or do you disagree? I’m sorry I have so many questions, I’m new to this and pretty stressed out about it.

[@iskaykabeya609]

Study your Bible subjects from Genesis to Revelation. Don't read it study it.. No one will escape the tribulation. This man is teaching COUNTER REFORMATION . DANIEL 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and they shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt. Notice how Daniel describes it, Michael stand up, then tribulation start, and after the tribulation we have resurrection and rapture.. Now let me show you how Jeremiah describe the condition of the world after the tribulation ( at Jesus second coming ) KJV Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. Look at verse 23 The Earth is without Form and void. Jeremiah is using Genesis language when the Earth was without Form and void there was no human being. After the tribulation Jesus comes back, the wicked are destroyed and the saints are taken up to heaven for 1000 years,, the Earth Lay desolate without inhabitants for 1000 years only Satan and his demon Angels are in it with no lights. That's the prison the Bible is talking about when Satan is bound for 1000 years, because no human being can survive in that condition the Earth is in, neither there was any human being alive in Genesis when the Earth was without Form, but Satan was there. That's why evil was in the Earth before God made Adam. My brother. There are millions of Roman Catholic Antichrist church's false prophets out there teaching COUNTER REFORMATION Jesuit doctrine deceiving millions.

[@iskaykabeya609]

Study your Bible subjects from Genesis to Revelation. Don't read it study it.. No one will escape the tribulation. This man is teaching COUNTER REFORMATION . DANIEL 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and they shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt. Notice how Daniel describes it, Michael stand up, then tribulation start, and after the tribulation we have resurrection and rapture.. Now let me show you how Jeremiah describe the condition of the world after the tribulation ( at Jesus second coming ) KJV Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. Look at verse 23 The Earth is without Form and void. Jeremiah is using Genesis language when the Earth was without Form and void there was no human being. After the tribulation Jesus comes back, the wicked are destroyed and the saints are taken up to heaven for 1000 years,, the Earth Lay desolate without inhabitants for 1000 years only Satan and his demon Angels are in it with no lights. That's the prison the Bible is talking about when Satan is bound for 1000 years, because no human being can survive in that condition the Earth is in, neither there was any human being alive in Genesis when the Earth was without Form, but Satan was there. That's why evil was in the Earth before God made Adam. My brother. There are millions of Roman Catholic Antichrist church's false prophets out there teaching COUNTER REFORMATION Jesuit doctrine deceiving millions.

[@bradlot5104]

Thankyou for clearing up this issue that was weighing me down as of late. Thankyou for preaching our Kings word. Amen 🙏

[@RobertFurrow]

You are so welcome

[@moparman1692]

Where in the bible does it say that as a Christian you will escape Gods judgement on your life?

[@RobertFurrow]

1 Thessalonians 5:9

[@toddblanket35]

@@RobertFurrow question. Why do you and others refer to tribulation as the wrath of God? We are not appointed to wrath which would be the day of Christ.

[@toddblanket35]

1 Thessalonians 5:9

[@alishavogel7926]

Christians are not excluded from judgment of our lives. We are judged based on what we did for the kingdom, not because we turned away from Christ. The tribulation is a judgment upon the lost world for rejecting the message of Christ and to deal with Israel and bring them back to God. In other words, it's not about the church. Its about the lost.

[@bmlove81]

This is the video that I've been looking for, literally!! Thank you so much for reaffirming what I already believed!! Pray that you be counted worthy to ESCAPE!!

[@RobertFurrow]

You are so welcome!

[@honestarizona4301]

Bennie, God loves you and so does Honest Arizona! Bennie, it's wrong, we are not going to be picked up for a party in heaven and then Jesus will come back to trash the devil. You and I will be here to the end sir. Think about it, his coming is talked about all through the Bible, but this 7 year party is not mentioned clearly once. Not once, when everything else is repeated over and over. It just doesn't add up and you're in for a big let down. You need to prepare your heart and stay close to God. Because of this pre-trib belief MANY are going to abandon the faith and be discouraged. Don't be that guy! God will never leave you nor forsake you. Said Respectfully, Honest.

[@itsallanillusion7097]

I say this out of love... when you are looking for something to confirm your thoughts can be having itching ears 1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Corinthians 15 both say at the last trump. In revelation 11 the last trump is describes as the time of judgement Matthew 24 clearly says those who endure until the end shall be saved...

[@honestarizona4301]

@@itsallanillusion7097 Yes sir, so true, a great deception that has millions in it's grasp, that are looking up for signs and wonders now, at a time, when the man of lawlessness can show up and make the deception complete! There is no early rapture to a party while the world suffers. His return, throw down with the evil ones and our salvation are all ONE event, not two. Truth Hurts, Honest.

[@treeseneese8655]

@@honestarizona4301 You are correct. It’s a false teaching and it’s sad to see so many preachers teaching this nowadays. People need to prepare and that’s in the Bible. We will give our lives for Jesus.

[@cloverluvvv]

I personally believe in POST-TRIBULATION In Matthew 13:24-30 it says letting the weeds (unbelievers) grow together with the wheat (believers) until the day of harvest (judgement day), which is Gods second coming. so Its not excluding the church from the tribulation. and most pre-trib believers think the tribulation is Gods wrath but its not, in rev 19:15 it clearly is talking about judgment day being Gods wrath and the tribulation being satans wrath rev 12:12. believers

[@RobertFurrow]

Thank you, I understand the Bible to often say that it is a time of God's wrath, indignation etc...

[@jeffdom123]

Jesus says he will come and gather the elect immediately AFTER the tribulation. Matthew 24.

[@RobertFurrow]

Yes, but who are the elect, tribulation saints, left behind? The People of Israel? Spoken of often in the last days.The church age comes to an end at the Rapture!

[@jeffdom123]

@@RobertFurrow That would be those that still believe.

[@Kman.]

The bible doesn't state that, rather *Matt **24:31* says, "And he shall send his *ANGELS* with a great sound of a trumpet, and *THEY* shall gather together his elect...". The verse speaks of the *2nd coming* of the Lord, NOT the rapture of the church.

[@Kman.]

@Me Funny The "after the tribulation" argument that you're wanting to submit is nothing more than you having lifted, *LITERALLY* 3 words...yes, *THREE WORDS* from an entire passage. In o/words, you're taking s/thing OUT OF CONTEXT plain and simple. 2ndly, the "The pre trib position was *invented* in the 18th century" argument is weak, & quite frankly it is incorrect. In o/words, that dog won't hunt. A cursory search will let you know that even the early church fathers and leaders spoke of it. Forgive me, but you're just parroting people you've heard or read.

[@jay1871]

Brother Robert, thanks for the good starting point for study. I appreciate you gathering this into one clear place.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks!

[@andyoudontknowwhen]

Thank you for this. I’m still not totally convinced. As you said either in this video or another. We just want the truth. I want to believe it because I am thoroughly convinced it’s true. My hang ups are “but this day shall not overtake you etc. it sounds like though the unbelievers’ experience will be like a thief in the night, that the believers will know when approximately. I really would also like more understanding on deciphering the day of the Lord etc. and not confusing it with the second coming. And how is it the tribulation saints couldn’t be those that are believers on the earth. Matt 24 one taken one left. For where the carcass is there the eagles will be gathered. - when and what is that referring to? Also Matt 24:29-31. Immediately after the tribulation He will gather His elect. “Immediately after”, “then”. If you could break down Matthew 24 bit by bit and give explanations to back up the interpretation that I guess is what I’m really looking for. And also 1 cor 15 the (last) trumpet. Is there anywhere else in scripture to show it doesn’t mean the very last one in revelation?? Thank you so much.

[@andyoudontknowwhen]

I mean the Tribulation saints obviously are believers but how can we know it’s not believers pre rapture rather than new believers. What basis/ verses can back that up

[@RobertFurrow]

Your Welcome

[@itzallama]

@@RobertFurrow I think your reply to his questions got deleted.

[@iskaykabeya609]

It's called the supper of the birds 🐦. KJV Matthew 24 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. KJV Revelation 19 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. KJV Jeremiah 16 4 They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. The one who's taken is the wicked to be destroyed, the Bible says the righteous shall see the end of the wicked. . christians will go through tribulation, KJV Isaiah 26 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Don't listen to this man he is teaching a Jesuits COUNTER REFORMATION. False doctrine

[@iskaykabeya609]

@@andyoudontknowwhen It's called the supper of the birds 🐦. KJV Matthew 24 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. KJV Revelation 19 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. KJV Jeremiah 16 4 They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. The one who's taken is the wicked to be destroyed, the Bible says the righteous shall see the end of the wicked. . christians will go through tribulation, KJV Isaiah 26 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Don't listen to this man he is teaching a Jesuits COUNTER REFORMATION. False doctrine

[@ccsapastor]

A friend pointed out to me, Israel was declared a nation again on May 14th, 1948, Not March 14, 1948. I will look again see if RF misquotes. at 7:44

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Robert I do have the date wrong in this video I will have some correct the date with a caption .

[@itsallanillusion7097]

wow... so even the fact that matthew 24 says those who endure until the end shall be saved doesnt matter... 1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Corinthians 15 both say at the last trump. In revelation 11 the last trump is describes as the time of judgement... IDK man idk

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks for expressing your views. As long as we agree that Jesus is returning, and that salvation is through faith in him, there is unity. God bless!

[@davidbalderrrama]

I know I thought the same. Like the verses he used literally prove that the rapture will be at the last trumpet when Jesus returns. We, the church ,will be here during the tribulation

[@dkmurray1344]

The church has suffered persecution since our Savior’s ascension. Considering the profound number of verses admonishing us to endure, why would the Lord begin selectively choosing who is (& isn’t) to endure in the generation of Christ’s return?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks DK,

[@letsgetitdjsschh]

Compelling info here that I never once saw, the important points made here, that gave ME a new hope in being saved from the tribulation...and I was pos-trib supportive 99.9% prior...bc I'm newly reborn just since 2018, and post-trib supporters didn't point out these "mysterious" clues to concern. I'm 50/50 now and it's hopeful...bc I refuse to take that Mark..so would suffer greatly. I will keep studying this. Thx!😇🙏🤗🌼

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks DJ

[@eddygell2765]

look for 7 pre trib problems

[@rendafranker7088]

Do you really think all Christians will be taken up or just a percentage like 2 %?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Renda, I believe it will be all true Christians.

[@murci422]

The great tribulation must not be confused with Gods wrath. They are not mingled with each other in Scripture so we can know and understand the distinction. In scripture, tribulation is defined as "believers" in harms way of unbelievers. Gods wrath is defined as God judging the unbelievers as a consequence (in that order). It is important to note that the rapture (ends) the tribulation of the church just as the wrath of God (ends) the wrath of Satan. The enemies of God cannot harm the church if the church is raptured and removed just as there can be no tribulation by unbelievers if there are no believers to cause tribulation to. This is why the order is so critical to understand because it affects the timing of the rapture. With that being said, many will say the rapture will still be pretribulational. They will argue that unbelievers will have believers to harm after the rapture has occurred, and they call them "tribulation saints"... those who are "left behind" and (come to Christ) after the rapture of the church has happened. The issue with that is abundantly clear. We don't have ANY scriptural evidence of a revival or the like, occurring during this period of time. On the contrary, what we see is a repeat of what ppl were like during the days of Noah and Lot. What we see is the love of many growing cold. A defection of the faith. An apostasy. We see impossible harsh conditions such as the mark of the beast where you can only buy or sell by taking the mark. We see Persecution for holding to Christ and his name. We see grave pressure being applied for not worshipping the beast or his image. Imprisonment. Believers being murdered, beheaded for the testimony of Christ. The wicked (NOT REPENTING) for there thefts, sexual immorality and sorceries. What we read in the bible betrays the pretrib idea of (left behind tribulation saints) who come to Christ after the rapture. During Gods wrath, men curse God for the heat of the sun scorching them and so on. We even see men running from God crying for the rocks to fall on them. It is my sincerest understanding that God will clearly March every believer that will beIn and shut the door on every unbeliever who wont be (as he did in the parable of the 10 virgins). The evidence shows, there is no acceptance of God from the wicked after the rapture... nor during Gods wrath. They have filled their cup with Gods wrath and God will make sure they drink every drop. Sidenote: The only ones who will remain on earth and be protected are the 144,000. We know this because during Gods wrath the scorpion like locusts will not be able to harm anyone with the seal of God on their forehead. The only ones mentioned with that description are the 144,000. I'd like to address the arguments for a pretrib timing of the rapture in this video one by one: In 6:00 to 6:11 Daniel's 70th week does not mean a 7 year tribulation period. Daniel's 70th week is said to be a period lasting exactly 7 years. The sign of a true prophet of God is the prophecy (must) come to pass exactly as foretold. So basically Daniel's final 7 year prophecy is cast in stone, meaning it must be 7 years in duration. In Matthew 24 Jesus makes a reference to Daniel's prophecy where he says those days, are "cut short". So here is the problem. If we make all of Daniel's 70th week, "the great tribulation", then you create the contradiction. You compromise Daniel's 7 year period which has been foretold as lasting 7 years in duration for something shorter. This is one of many reasons why we shouldn't call Daniel's 70th week "the 7 year tribulation". The answer is simple. The great tribulation is not 7 years long as Daniel's 70th week is. It is the great tribulation that gets cut short via the rapture... not Daniel's 7 year prophecy. It is important not to confuse tribulation with Gods wrath and combine them together as he seems to do in this video. Make no mistake, Gods wrath and tribulation are 2 different things....Tribulation ultimately comes from Satan to harm believers. Wrath ultimately comes from God to punish unbelievers. We are not appointed to suffer (wrath), he never said we are not appointed to suffer (tribulation). In 7:09 He proof texts Revelation 3:10 where it says: Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, (I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world), to try them that dwell upon the earth. If the "hour of temptation" means (Gods wrath) then there is no issue. All of the rapture views from pretrib to midtrib to prewrath and posttrib agree that we are not appointed to Gods wrath. On the other hand if he believes the hour of temptation is (tribulation) then it would render what jesus specifically said to the church at Philadelphia pointless. Jesus promises the church at Philadelphia that he would keep them from this particular "hour of temptation". If that means the great tribulation then he might as well have given the same promise to the other churches including Laodicea because the great tribulation (hour of testing) still has not happened which means all 7 churches benefited from the same promise that was ONLY given to Philadelphia. No one from the 7 churches are here.... and the great tribulation still hasn't happened. By making the hour of testing the great tribulation the promise given only to Philadelphia ends up being given to all of them. Even Philadelphia was admonished to "overcome". This implies enduring what was happening all around them. If we are going to use the church at Philadelphia as a type and shadow of the rapture I wouldn't mind....provided the hour of testing is the wrath of God. It falls apart for the pretrib camp as soon as they try to make the hour of testing "tribulation". The Rev 3:10 proof text can be easily undone by Rev 2:10 with the church at Smyrna where it says: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, (the devil shall cast some of you into prison), that ye may be tried; (and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death), and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev 2:10 can be argued to cancel the pretrib timing of the rapture. Scripture cannot be broken so if we see what looks like a contradiction we must dig deeper. Using Rev 3:10 as a way to prove a pretrib timing of the rapture is a stretch of the imagination. A pretrib rapture does not arise naturally in the bible. Finally he uses Luke 21:36 as another proof text around 9 minutes into the video and takes care to point out the word "Escape" to prove a pretrib rapture. Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted (worthy to escape all these things) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Luke 21 is considered the olivet discourse. Matthew 24 and Mark 13 is also the olivet discourse. It is good to read all 3 to get an expanded understanding. Basically the context is concerning those living in judea at a time when Jerusalem has a temple and the antichrist defiles it... its it's a warning to quickly get out of the city and into the mountains. In Matthew 24 the word used is "flee". Then let them which be in Judaea (flee into the mountains). In Luke 21:36 the context is the same as Mathew 24. Here in Luke 21 the greek word for "escape" is ekpheugo. It literally means to "flee" exactly like Matthew 24. Luke 21:36 is not at all about a rapture of the church.... it is literally about getting out of the city as fast as possible. We even know where they are told to flee... to the mountains. Hope this helps someone

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks

[@kendalkemp6441]

Who are the saints in the trib?

[@RobertFurrow]

People who get saved after the rapture Jews and Gentiles

[@e.garcia618]

@@RobertFurrow Where does the bible say this?

[@edugalin6311]

Matthew 24:13-14 [13]But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. [14]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

[@RobertFurrow]

Right?

[@zelldincht9683]

Yeah. No pre trib or mid trib rapture. A lie started by john Nelson darby in 1830s

[@jthomas196]

@@zelldincht9683 Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians 4 not Darby. Pre-tribulation rapture is the oldest teaching.

[@zelldincht9683]

@@jthomas196 u have to read and know the whole new testament. Because if u knew it. U would see its not a pre trib rapture. Because the trump of God is the last trumpet. Trumpet 7. And the dead rise 1 time. THEN the alive and remaining r caught up on the clouds. Then the Lord goes to do Armageddon. That's how it is. Before Armageddon. Jesus says himself "behold I come as a thief". This can ONLY be the rapture. No other reason to come as a thief. It's before Armageddon. U have to see signs by events. NOT chapter

[@jthomas196]

What is the end? Did all of the Apostles meet the "end" on earth? Did all have "Tribulations"? You are taking a word and configuring it to another meaning.

[@jameswerner7955]

i agree with you. what logic do those who believe in the post trib rapture use?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks, I will have a video on that soon

[@Kman.]

For the young Christian, beware, as there are great logicians on the other side of the fence that can make their position _very_ appealing and sound truthful. We've got to be careful to compare scripture/scripture and rightly divide. *MARANATHA!*

[@bronzemv4440]

@@Kman. Says the guy in the side taking out of context simple verses.

[@edugalin6311]

This is a false doctrine... Those who believe in pre trib are not going to be deceive because they are already deceived... Matthew 10:22 [22]And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

[@Oathfps]

You are a scoffer twisting the word

[@RobertFurrow]

Jesus said, Be ready you don't know when the son of many will come

[@RobertFurrow]

We have Israel and tribulation saint that must that must endure to the end.

[@bmlove81]

I have a question. What if in the moment of the Rapture, a believer is committing a sin God FORBID. We don't practice sin, but we aren't perfect and we can stumble from time to time. Would that believer be left behind in that moment?

[@RobertFurrow]

He would go in the rapture, many have sins like pride and judgment of others, if we could only go when perfect not one would go. ;-)

[@bmlove81]

@@RobertFurrow amen, posted this question because I thought it was a good one.

[@danad3744]

I love this message. Also, I remember Jesus saying to not be afraid. Blessings to you.

[@RobertFurrow]

You too

[@michaelwilson8379]

It's false it's not going to happen we're going to go through the tribulation I just don't understand why people preach this crap

[@iskaykabeya609]

@@michaelwilson8379 thank you my brother for exposing this COUNTER REFORMATION false preacher

[@jthomas196]

@@iskaykabeya609 You need to do more study on 1 Thessalonians. If you take Matthew 24 you have to take in consideration of the "Gospel" being preached in Luke 9. What was the Gospel in Luke 9 as Luke 18 states they didn't understand? Kingdom Restoration is a giant clue.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@iskaykabeya609 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@vickietaylor9425]

I believe in jesus I know he suffered and died for me, I'm trying to be a Christian but I'm always messing up and I'm scared I might not go to heaven...I've also prayed many times to get the holy spirit..what's wrong with me? Am I just not one of God's chosen one's, what am I doing wrong? Please help me I don't want to be left behind

[@RobertFurrow]

Hi Vickie, thank you for sharing your story. John chapter 1 teaches that every person who receives Jesus through faith becomes a child of God. If you have received Jesus then you are a child of God, born again, and sealed by the Holy Spirit. These are promises in God's word and we have the privilege of trusting his promises. Every Christian begins a process of becoming more like Jesus, and that process is called sanctification. A few things may be helpful for you: 1) Do you have Christian friends who encourage you and pray with you? We are here to help one another. 2) Read the Bible and write down the promises of God. Pay attention to verses that reveal the character of God. These are so encouraging! 3) Pray. Prayer can be thanking God for who he is, for what he does, and for what he promises. Prayer can be pouring your heart out to him and telling him how you are feeling. Finally, as God reveals areas in life that he is not pleased with, agree with him and his word. Ask him for the strength to turn from those thoughts and actions. Do not get discouraged by the process of being changed by the Spirit of God. If you need counsel, you're welcome to contact our church at calvarytucson.com.

[@msjetmech]

I really enjoy these teachable moments videos, thank you for Hot Topics. Have a joyful day Church.

[@RobertFurrow]

thanks, You too

[@jamesfields4149]

@@RobertFurrow when they sign that peace agreement tomorrow 9-15-2020..........It shows you are full of lies

[@iskaykabeya609]

God will send you great delusion to believe lies and be lost forever, cuz you believe not the truth to be saved. This man is actually teaching Jesuit COUNTER REFORMATION false doctrine... design to veil the Identity of the Bible true ANTICHRIST ( The Roman Catholic Church) and put it in a future false Antichrist.. Roman Catholic Antichrist church and his Pope is the true biblical ANTICHRIST., Don't fall victim to Jesuit counter REFORMATION false teaching like this.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@jamesfields4149 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@ryanthiessen4562]

Hi Robert, I appreciate your attitude of wanting to discuss not argue. I like a good discussion to so please take my comments in a spirit of love and discussion. I sincerely hope you are correct in your view but I have some thoughts on your video and would like to discuss them in the order that they are in your video. 1 Cor 15 does not say this event happens pre trib, the only indication about when is it's "at the last Trump" this could mean many things but most likely it doesn't mean it's before the trib. How many trumps happen after the last Trump? You cannot say John 14:1-3 is about the rapture but Matthew 24 isn't. They both have the same audience, in both cases the church hasn't been born yet. Matthew is more likely about the rapture than the John. Again 1 Thess 4 gives no time indicators, it describes an event that we know will happen but to know when we need to find it elsewhere in scripture. You've already mentioned 1 Cor 15 but I can't help but notice it has all the same characteristics as Matt 24:29-31. They both have Jesus coming in the clouds, angels with Him trumpets, and the gathering of Gods people. Here we do have a time indicator, "immediately after the tribulation." This is also consistent with 2 Thess 2:1-8 and the 6th seal. The trib ends and God's wrath begins to finish off the rest of the 70th week. Note Rev 6:10 indicates that what is happening on the earth at this point is happening to God's people and when the wrath happens in 15-17 it is for the king's of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man or the ones left. There is no where in scripture that says the trib is the whole 70th week. It seems clear that the trib ends at the celestial darkening and the wrath of God begins in Rev 6:17. Here we see the (15-17) the king's of the earth are scared and hiding because the know what's coming. Note Matt 24:30 also mentions the tribes of the earth mourning. There is some problems with applying Rev 3:10 to the church in general. This is cherry picking. First it's written specifically to the church in Philadelphia, a real church when John was writing this. Why don't you also apply the words to the church of Laodicea too? Also it says for the "hour" of temptation /testing/ trial. An hour is not 3.5 years. It would seem that those from these churches have been spared from the trib because they are dead in the grave. There is no reason to believe these church are applicable today but they are warnings to finish our deeds, not be lukewarm and to be overcomers. Rev 3:10 is no support for a pre trib rapture. It is a time of Jacob/Israel's trouble. It is clear in Romans 11; 1:16; Galatians 3:16, 28-29; Jn 10:16; 14:6 that there is on fold, we are grafted in and there is no longer a distinction between gentile and Jew. We are now included as part of Israel/Abraham's seed. Luke 21:34-36 is in the context of the events happening after the trib. This is easy to see when we read the parallel passage of Matthew 24. In both passages in both the celestial darkening has already occured which means the rapture also has just occured.

[@RobertFurrow]

I do not believe in replacement theology, You find Israel in the tribulation Period not the church. You find the Church mentioned many time in revelation 1- 3 and not between 6 - 18 the tribulation Period. Revelation 3:10 says, Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Blessings

[@ryanthiessen4562]

@@RobertFurrow Hi Robert thanks for your reply. I did not advocate replacement theology. It's clear some Gentiles are grafted in and some Jews are cut off, see Rom 11; Gal 3:16, 28-29; John 14:6; 10:16. While its true the word church is not used in Rev 4-19. This is an argument from silence and is poor argumentation. There are many times the saints are mentioned which is the make up if the church. There is nothing saying that these saints are Tribulation converts. It's circular reasoning to suggest that. Rev 3:10 is specifically written to the church of Philadelphia and it's for an hour not 7 years. It is simply eisegesus to apply this to the church and cherry picking to leave out the words to the church of Laodicea.

[@ryanthiessen4562]

@@RobertFurrow where exactly do you find Israel in the Tribulation period? The word Israel is only mentioned once between Rev 2:14 and Rev 21:12 and it's a specific smaller group, the 144,000 in Rev 7:4. If you are going to say the church is missing because the word church is not used you have to be consistent. The word Jews is not mentioned after Rev 3 either.

[@selah7779]

I don't mean to be rude, etc.... But if Pre - Tribuation as "Dani" has commented is not in the bible and Calvary has replied agreeing it's not in the bible, then why is Calvary a Bible teaching church preaching/teaching it?

[@RobertFurrow]

It Most defiantly is In the Bible! All I said is that I am going to respond to some of the objections people have posted on this page, anther words I will give the pre-tribulation defenses to those arguments. Thanks, btw I don't think you comment is rude. ;-)

[@selah7779]

@@RobertFurrow Thank you. Appreciate your teachings, have a blessed day.

[@KookieKats]

1 Cor.15:52 clearly says When the rapture happens.. 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. The rapture happens AT THE LAST TRUMP, not before that! and The last trump does NOT happen before the tribulation!!

[@azblock13]

I really believe there is going to be a rapture of the church because Paul did describe it in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 but I would also have to hold to the pantrib view, I just wanna be purified and ready for when the Lord calls His bride home

[@RobertFurrow]

Right1

[@toddblanket35]

Correct, a description in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, but not the timing. The timing is found in 1 Thessalonians 5:1, and Luke 21 just to name two

[@eliyahugreenwald]

Prewrath,,,

[@eliyahugreenwald]

Prewrath,,,

[@natalieerickson5519]

I'm a new subscriber and just wanted to say: keep up the awesome work! You guys are going to bless a lot of people; you certainly blessed my day! Your video quality, content and performance of the material is phenomenal.....and, if it matters, that is coming from an actress in Hollywood who has done some pretty neat things. I don't say that to brag, I say that as one professional presenter to another: you're very talented and your God-given talents are going to bless many people, I'm sure. I'll be praying for your every success and energy (4 videos per week is a ton of work! Get it, ya'll!). God bless you and yours!

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks for subscribing and for the encouragement. God bless you!

[@iskaykabeya609]

Wake up and study the Bible for yourself don't read it.. This man is teaching Jesuit COUNTER REFORMATION teaching of left behind..they even made movies about it,, who control the Hollywood you think is God it Jesuits of Roman Catholic Church???

[@kious1975]

I have a question. Rapture and the 1000 year reign. How do we know if the rapture is bofore or after the 1000 years

[@RobertFurrow]

We are with Him for the 1000 year reign, so it make sense he has already come and got us.

[@kious1975]

@@RobertFurrow not to me it doesn't. And after the 1000 year. the beast is released for a spell.. to me thats where i would think it would fall..or better yet be called up. the rapture then is to be before his return? does it state this?

[@kious1975]

like a u turn? is their scripture. because we are going to be here anywho when he returns.. isn't the Gods wrath going to be more mean after the spell of the beast? i would think thats the fire ya want to miss..

[@kious1975]

yeah cuz after 1000 year rule of Christ who wouldn't be a believer. i'm missing something. because where did Christ go? after the beast is released? sigh. just thoughts.

[@kious1975]

And the 188k? Well if its that tight of a fit to get in. Is there a second chance drawing. Heeey

[@dirtydawgj]

Love these mini lessons Pastor , keep up the good work and may the Lord continue to use you to spread the Good News.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks

[@williamverdell8856]

Revelation 11:15-19 this is the last trumpet, but when does the Last trumpet sound? Whenever u take the time to find out when that trumpet sounds, u will find out it's not pre trib.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks William, There are many series of Trumpets, are you talking about the last trumpet of the feast of the Tabernacle? or the Last trumpet of all time? Do you believe there never will be a trumpet after the last of the seven Trumpet Judgments. The last trumpet may be different that the last trumpet of the seven trumpet judgments. Hope this helps

[@jamescole3152]

What all or most of the pre-tribers believe is that the tribulation is the wrath of God. But it is not. It is the wrath of Satan against the church. We the church are the elect of God, Matthew 24. If you compare Mathew 24 with Rev 6 you can see where the tribulation is, and when the wrath of God begins. Obviously Christians are here to see the beast and the false prophet. That is not debatable. What the pre-tribers do is divide the church. The apostle paul had only 2 groups of Christians. The dead in Christ, and we who are alive and remain. You have 3. Rev 20 Then the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This the first resurrection.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks, James

[@tonyeaton671]

James You just posted rev 20 4 and what exactly does it say? They are BEHEADED for the word of God and the witness of Jesus they did not worship the beast nor his immage nor take his mark. These people are clearly alive when daniels 70th week begins. These are the very same souls under the altar in rev 6 9. They are the tribulation saints people who become born agian believers during daniels 70th week. Now read 1st thessalonians 4 16 these dead in Christ are dead right now as we speak people like the deciples Paul Stephen early church fathers our grandparents etc... they cant very well be beheaded if they are already dead and in heaven with Jesus right now can they! 1st thessalonians 4 16 18 and rev 20 4 are two separate groups of people unless you've found a scripture in the bible that says that people who are dead right now come back to life so they can get their heads chopped off. And I think you and I both know there is no such scripture. First reserection does not mean one it simply means anyone in the first reserection are believers from old testament till the second coming Jesus is first fruits of the first reserection 1st Corinthians 15 20 23 Then the church is reserected and raptured 1st Corinthians 15 50 55 and 1st thessalonians 4 16 18 and 2nd thessalonians 2 6 8 Then the two witnesses are reserected rev 11 3 14 then the last part of the first reserection in rev 20 4 when the old testament saints and tribulation saints are reserected. All of these are part of the first reserection. The other reserection is for the lost of all time rev 20 11 15 And the 21 judgments are Gods judgments on an unbelieving earth. Satan has no power except what God allows. God is the one pulling the strings not satan. God has given satan power to test thats it read the book of job. Christians are here to see the beast and false prophet not the church. Question: If the rapture occurs at the second coming as you are suggesting how does the earth get repopulated during the millennial kingdom if all believers recieve their glorified bodies at the second coming? Who enters into the millennial kingdom and who does not? There has to be people in their natural bodies that can enter into the millennial kingdom be given in marriage and bare children! How does that happen if the rapture occurs at the second coming?

[@tonyeaton671]

@@jacobschneider243 you do know that there will be tribulation saints that survive to see Jesus return to earth dont you. Read mathew 25 31 40 it plainly states that believers sheep are living people just as there will bu unsaved people that survive to see Jesus return to earth the tares goats So yes I am saying exactly that that living tribulation saints enter into the millennial kingdom they are born agian believers still in their natural bodies and can be given in marriage and bare children.. If all the tribulation saints are myartered then how does the earth get repopulated during the millennial kingdom?

[@tonyeaton671]

@@jacobschneider243 the living tribulation saints you do understand that not all the tribulation saints die some survive go see Jesus return to earth they are the sheep in the sheep and goat judgement or the judgement of the nations. Mathew 25 31 46 Tge myartered tribulation saints will have glorified bodies along with the church saints and old testament saints. Its the tribulation saints that survived they are the sheep in the sheep and goat judgement. There will also be unbelievers that survive to see Jesus return they sre the tards or goats the goats are cstst into the lake of fire before the millennial kingdom begins mathew 25 41 sheep believers enter into the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies mathew 25 34 its them and their children and grandchildren etc...who repopulate the earth and jesus and the people who become glorified bodies reign over them rev 20 4 6 rev 5 9 10 Anyone who has died in christ and reserected will be in glorified bodies All living in christ that are raptured before daniels 70th week begins are also in glorified bodies all living tribulation saints that survived daniels 70th week enter into the millennial kingdom The problem is post tribbers pre wrathers and seventh day Adventist are giving those sheep glorified bodies leaving no one without a glorified body that can enter into the millennial kingdom and be given in marriage and bare children

[@tonyeaton671]

@@jacobschneider243 mathew 25 31 46 pretty clear When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:31-40 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew25:31-40&version=KJV

[@johnmclaughlin4496]

The rapture issue is really a simple matter that many people have greatly complicated over the years. How can it be simple? There are only 2 main scriptures you need to know. These are 1. Mt. 13:24-30 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed ears, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “`An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, `Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “`No,’ he answered, `because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’“ The 1st clue is "Let both grow together until the harvest." When you know when that time is you will have the answer. Does the Bible tell us when the harvest will be? Yes. Where in scripture is it? 2. The book of Revelation chapter 14; Re. 14:14-20 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia. [That is, about 180 miles (about 300 kilometres)] The scripture in Matthew is a parable which is a story Jesus told to make a point. Every parable has truth in it even though some of the scenarios may not actually have happened exactly as described. So an explanation is needed. Mt. 13:10-17 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “`You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ [Isaiah 6:9,10] But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it". What about all the other scriptures about the rapture? Some are legitimate and some have nothing to do with it. This agrees with all the legitimate NT scriptures. I'll reference some here if you want to do further study: Mt. 24:30-31, I Th. 5:1-11, II Th. 2:1-12, I Co. 15:51-58.

[@RobertFurrow]

thanks

[@anthonycarbonaro7890]

I am a believer in the pre-trip rapture simply because the Bible tells me so.

[@RobertFurrow]

That's what we believe the Bible teaches:)

[@jclark521]

There is a 5th rapture-belief that pre-tribulation pastors don't compare, which is the Preterist view whereby the 7 years of tribulation have already occurred in 70AD, and that all scriptures within Revelation are already fulfilled. Not that I believe in the Preterist doctrine, but it would be great to hear from Pre-Tribulation pastors that they are aware that this belief is still widely preached today, especially in the Lutheran church.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Jeremy, I have a hot topic coming the preterits doctrine

[@michaelrackley9028]

Wake up

[@johnball8839]

Witness till He comes! Our great commission empowered by the Holy Spirit!

[@RobertFurrow]

Amen!

[@macc0827]

Do you believe that the rapture is the resurrection?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Byron, we have a video coming out on the Resurrection of the Saints soon.

[@Contendforthefaith1]

He cannot come at any moment. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 destroys that lie

[@RobertFurrow]

We seem to disagree on how to interpret 2 Thessalonians 2. God bless.

[@kingdom.citizen]

Wait I have a question 🙋‍♂️. Why in 1 Corinthians it says “at the last trumpet”. If it’s a pre tribulation. Why does it say “at the last trumpet” that would be mean 4 trumpets have already been played?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Miguel, Not all trumpets are the same last trumpets. for example you could have the last day of a week and the last day of a month, the last days may not be the same day, depends on the context. Hope this helps

[@stevelunde5213]

Thank you Pastor Robert. I enjoy your thoughts on the Bible verses. You always support your thoughts with scriptures. May God bless you for the great work that you do. You have helped me countless times. Thank you!

[@RobertFurrow]

I appreciate that

[@eliyahugreenwald]

Prewrath,,,

[@langamkamei3877]

Will there be second chance for the believers who couldn't make it to the rapture? Can someone help me out with scriptures

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Langam, Revelation 7:9,10 is just one off the top of my head

[@langamkamei3877]

@@RobertFurrow thank u sir for the scripture but then it is not sufficient for the proof, I need more scripture reference.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@langamkamei3877 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@wit778]

Great video. Side note, Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948, not March 14th. I'm sure that was just a slip. Well done.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thank you and thanks for the correction.

[@michaelreyes8182]

What ''church'' is going to be raptured? Please define church? Thanks

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Michael, The Church Jesus built. and the gates of hell will not Prevail.

[@michaelreyes8182]

@@RobertFurrow I applicate you getting back to me. I want to be honest. Believing members of the ''Church Jesus built'' should apply the Acts 17:11 test to every teaching knowing, we are living in a day when every wind of doctrine is blowing...amen? So, I asked you the question which I was hoping you could be a little more specific. Why? Because every denomination out here claim they are the true ''Church''. So please let me be a little more specific in my question. Let's say you are driving a van, heading to church services. Riding with you (all dedicated Christians) is a mix of Anglican / Episcopal, Assembly of God, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic and a fellow Calvary Tucson member. All have sinned and all believe salvation is by faith in Jesus. Suddenly...the long predicted rapture, (as you understand it) Now my question...(I'm not asking you to judge) To experience this pre trib rapture, what Spiritual condition would you and the rest have to be in? As Walter Martian would say, this is not a trick question. Would it be unfair to say..''If you, for whatever reason refuse or can't give a reasonable answer how do you know you will experience it''? Brother Furrow, do you know with out a doubt you would be raptured if it took place 10 minutes after you read this request? If yes, please explain why you would and another would not? Would the fellow Calvary member who is living in open sin but believes, be passed over? If your answer is...''just believe'' then everyone in the van will be raptured? If not, please define ''believe''. The early church, when asked..''What must I do to be saved'' had a quick clear answer. So today many ask ''what must a believer do to be a part of the pre trib rapture you believe and preach with conviction? Thanks!

[@SoniaTolson]

Thank you for your video, I fully support this position. Great books I have read which support this position are "The End-Times by the Ancient Church Fathers" and "The Rapture, the Pre-tribulation Rapture of the church Viewed from the Bible and the Ancient Church" written by Dr Ken Johnson, Th.D. as well as "The Seven Feasts of Israel", "A Christian Love Story", "The Miracle of Passover" & "Glory! The Future of the Believers" all written by now deceased Christian Jew Zola Levitt. Mr Levitt compares the Rapture to a Jewish wedding and it is very enlightening!

[@RobertFurrow]

Yes, I agree and the wedding aspect is on the future Hot Topic list ;-)

[@93556108]

Sonia Tolson May I ask you this? the pre-tribulation theory teach that the church will be secretly rapture and followed by the great tribulation or there will be no precursor of any events before the rapture takes place. But it contradicts scripture as the following scripture affirmed otherwise; #1. (2Th 2:1) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; #2. Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mat 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.(Mat 24:31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” #1. Note in 2Th2:1, 3 clearly stated the two events must take place that is the falling away FIRST and that man of sin before the secret rapture can take place. #2. In Matthew 24:29-31 the gathering of the saints would only happen in Mat24:29 immediately after the tribulation with cosmic calamity then only the Son of Man appear. Appreciate if you could support your theory that there is no precursor of events prior to the secret rapture due to its imminency nature. Thank you.

[@peytonsmith9390]

How would you interpret Isaiah 54:7-17 in light of Gods wrath being held back from his children. Peace is mentioned as not being removed from His children in v10. Contrast that with Rev 6 when the second rider takes peace from the earth (also Isaiah 54:17 says no weapon, the sword of the ravager, possibly the sword of the second horseman will not succeed). Also, Isaiah 54:10 seems to address the great earthquake in Rev 6:9-17. Isaiah 54:10 address the mountains and hills (islands?) that will be removed (found in rev 6:14). The Lord says that his love will not be removed from his children in this time. Do all these things mean that God will be with those who endure these things, or that God will remove them?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Peyton, Good scripture comparison, let me take some time to look these up when I get a chance. ;-)

[@highwaychurch5953]

Amazing! Great video! Well presented... VERY helpful! You are a great witness for Him!! Glory to God!!

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks for the encouragement!

[@Post-Trib]

Is the last trump of Paul the same last or 7th trumpet of Revelation? Yes or no. If no, then how many trumpets are there, if we're waiting for the last trump? How does "the hour of temptation" equal to the entire 7 prophetic yrs? Scriptural evidence Where does it say that all 7 yrs are the wrath of God?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks, The seventh trumpet fallacy says three can't be two or more last trumps. however there can be a last trumps of a day, and then a year and then of all times.A last trumps for the church and the last trumpet for judgments.

[@Post-Trib]

@@RobertFurrow how is it a fallacy? Either the 7 trumps of Revelation is what Paul refers to or not What about my other questions?

[@36lats]

I'm a pre- trib 😊 believer

[@RobertFurrow]

Nice!

[@toddblanket35]

It's not scripture. Can you please provide the trumpet sounding anywhere in the scripture prior to the opening Nettie first seal? Where is Christ recorded descending from heaven prior to the tribulation?

[@JAXMAXYT]

I’m 💯 not

[@nzbrotrev9028]

@@toddblanket35 Can you show how there are people in heaven before your post trib Rapture timing.

[@Ernie_Centofanti]

I believe in pre-trib rapture. That said, I have a question for those who believe in mid-trib or post-trib. If the rapture does not occur at the beginning of the Tribulation, then how will we know when the Tribulation has begun? What event will mark its beginning? Is it the anti-christ taking his throne? But then, what event(s) would be the catalyst for that? Would we not know that the Trib has begun, until after it is almost over?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Ernie, I Think the Beginning of the tribulation is the rise of the antichrist and a signing of a treaty with Israel. Daniel 9

[@iskaykabeya609]

Study your Bible subjects from Genesis to Revelation. Don't read it study it.. No one will escape the tribulation. This man is teaching COUNTER REFORMATION . DANIEL 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and they shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the Earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt. Notice how Daniel describes it, Michael stand up, then tribulation start, and after the tribulation we have resurrection and rapture.. Now let me show you how Jeremiah describe the condition of the world after the tribulation ( at Jesus second coming ) KJV Jeremiah 4 23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. Look at verse 23 The Earth is without Form and void. Jeremiah is using Genesis language when the Earth was without Form and void there was no human being. After the tribulation Jesus comes back, the wicked are destroyed and the saints are taken up to heaven for 1000 years,, the Earth Lay desolate without inhabitants for 1000 years only Satan and his demon Angels are in it with no lights. That's the prison the Bible is talking about when Satan is bound for 1000 years, because no human being can survive in that condition the Earth is in, neither there was any human being alive in Genesis when the Earth was without Form, but Satan was there. That's why evil was in the Earth before God made Adam. My brother. There are millions of Roman Catholic Antichrist church's false prophets out there teaching COUNTER REFORMATION Jesuit doctrine deceiving millions.

[@jeffdove6917]

2 Thessalonians Concerning the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to him! That day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed! I shortened it up. Also Matt 24:9-33 in it Jesus say immediately AFTER the distress of those days! We are in for a rough ride but if we remain faithful it all will work out! Easy believe ism I feel will cause the great falling away!

[@RobertFurrow]

Jeff, I will cover these two passage in a soon to be released video, as far as how easy it is to get saved. the Bible makes it very clear how you get saved, see the video just released, 5 Things the bible has to say about becoming a Christian.

[@doctortabby]

Easy believism? I would suspect that there is no such thing, as it seems quite difficult for many to believe the true Gospel. I think that the great falling away may have much more to do with what we read in Matthew 7:21-23. Here's a short video dealing with this. I hope it helps. God bless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4C3gnScmcygrNk

[@Mike65809]

If there is no Pretrib rapture in Matt. 24 then where did it come from? Do you have any reason to think the "appearing" and the "coming" of Matt 24 is any different than the "appearing" and "coming" terms Paul uses to describe HIs return?

[@RobertFurrow]

The context of Matthew 24 is set by three questions asked by Jesus' disciples, and they all relate to events surrounding Jerusalem and Israel. In contrast, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 speak of a rapture event, when the church is "caught up" (raptured) to meet the Lord in the air. The rapture is the event when the church is taken into heaven, whereas the second coming of Christ is his return to earth.

[@Mike65809]

@@RobertFurrow Yet they both use the words appearing and coming, yet according to you they are different events. I would not presume so unless Paul said so clearly.

[@TsarplaysVr]

Thank you, this helped me very much.

[@RobertFurrow]

Glad it helped!

[@justinwilson3694]

Jesus taught the gathering happens after the tribulation and all the prophets taught the samething thing no pre trib rapture.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@justinwilson3694 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@bibleprophesyandcurrentnew1350]

Sounds good and I am not sure about it , but what about Matt 24:31. Jesus says he will send his Angels with the trumpet call. Isn't that the same as 1 Cor 15: 52 and 1 Thess 4:15. There is no doubt that we are about to enter tribulation as the world has gone crazy.

[@RobertFurrow]

No, the trumpets are different ones, we have a video coming out soon on the trumpets or the last days.

[@Kman.]

*Matt 24* clearly speaks of the ANGELS sounding, whereas the o/two passages note it is the trump of God.

[@myricajavanicajomuad2918]

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5

[@RobertFurrow]

Great passage!

[@glaze4296]

how about in malachi. the coming of the Lord the earth will burn like an oven. and in 2 peter says all elements will melt in fervent heat? if after the rapture there are still people left?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Lunar, That is after the Millennium

[@ERB88]

I believe in pre-tribulation rapture, but what I’m having trouble with is that Jesus says at the last trumpet the dead will rise and those of us that remain will be caught up. The LAST trumpet... wouldn’t that mean the end of the tribulation? He says that we aren’t appointed to His wrath, but will we go through tribulation? Someone please help explain. Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Eric, We have a video coming out about the last trumpet and the trumpets of the Bible. Just because trumpets are mentioned a few time in the New Testament it does not mean they are the same trumpet. and the last of the the seven trumpet judgments. is not the last trumpet ever. Hope this helps

[@ERB88]

@@RobertFurrow thank you! I hope Jesus takes us all home soon. God bless! 🙏🏻

[@michaelmorris6575]

Good teaching brother! Thanks for sharing.

[@RobertFurrow]

Very welcome

[@roel4450]

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Looking at these two verses in Luke 21 it seems like Jesus is talking to the same people and the same people will be present on earth when all events stated in the previous verses will happen. Yes, these people to whom Jesus is talking to can escape but it looks like they are still around. Just wondering. I may have misunderstood the message of Luke 21.

[@RobertFurrow]

In chapter 21:24 Jesus talked about Jerusalem being trampled under foot until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. Then at the end of His Discourse He gives the Summary in verses 34-36 Why we are waiting for this time of the gentiles to be fulfilled we Watch and Pray That we can escape the things coming on the earth. Hope this helps

[@WuWuO1944]

Unfortunately this is a false doctrine... We are to glory in tribulation, tribulation worketh patience

[@RobertFurrow]

Yes tribulation, but not the wrath of God..

[@GodsView1]

The vid has misunderstood that not experiencing the wrath simply means faithful believers will not be judged by God during it and therefore not spiritually die (go to hell), not that you will not see God's wrath occurring around you. Escape means escaping spiritual death (judgement) during the Tribulation which does not mean escaping being present at the time the T occurs. This is an essential and important distinction. One cannot get past Matt 24:29-31 where the Lord clearly says the people will be 'taken' from the earth After the 'unequalled' (no worse events coming after it) Tribulation at the time. These verses are the 'leading authority' on 'When' the rapture occurs.

[@RobertFurrow]

It is Israel regathered in Mathew 24:29-31

[@GodsView1]

@@RobertFurrow Jesus is speaking to all believers that the rapture event applies to all believers then and now) in Matt 24 (disciples, v.1). 'Disciples' represent all believers not just Jewish believers.

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@GodsView1 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@mannycruz699]

Thank you and God Bless you

[@RobertFurrow]

Your Welcome

[@edugalin6311]

Matthew 24:10 [10]And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

[@Oathfps]

Lord rebuke you satan!

[@RobertFurrow]

Yes

[@moparman1692]

"at the last trumpet" .. listen, I get it, you don't like the idea of going through what you call the tribulation ( I'm not American so I have never heard that term until it came up in here, in Europe we call it the Apocalypse ). Yet.. you should be very careful about placing so much of your own interpretation into this subject, pretending that you know the ways our Lord and how he will execute the end days. Put your faith in God. In fact, to be so sure that you will be redeemed by the Lord is imo in itself sort of sacrilegious. You should not place so much faith in any one explanation. There is only one fact that should matter; Your faith in Jesus, and that he died for our sins, was resurrected, and will eventually return to judge us all in the name of God.

[@RobertFurrow]

The really question is what the Bible teaches! not what is taught in different parts of the world. We are truth seekers.

[@honestarizona4301]

@@RobertFurrowDear Brother Furrow, he is referring to the Bible. Throughout the old and the new testament, critical events are repeated over and over. The return of Christ is mentioned many times, WHAT IS NOT REPEATED over and over is the new manufactured event of a 7 year party with the church. This did not come about until 1830 with John Darby. Belief in this theory is what will bring down many Christians in the end times during the great falling away. People who believe in pre-tribulation rapture will be disappointed, frustrated, confused and angry when it doesn't happen they will feel betrayed and turn away from God.

[@moparman1692]

@@RobertFurrow so are we all, but there are matters that God never intended for us to know of, and far less understand. My point is this: in the case of the coming of the lord, the bible is pretty clear on one thing, you will not know the hour. He may return when we least expect it, but when he do return, we will all know it. Everything else will imho be speculation. Thus.. all we can do is to be ready in our faith of the Lord.

[@toddblanket35]

Most American teachers, and preachers are teaching a false escape from trouble, affliction etc. Don't be deceived.

[@thetruthfornow6045]

Most of the well known tv preachers were teaching a pre trib rapture in the 80's and 90's. They were convinced they would live long enough to see it happen. Now most of them have passed away. Their logic was that the generation that is alive when Israel was regathered and became a state would not pass before the rapture. Now many years have passed and it is rare to find a tv preacher talking about the rapture and many are believing on an end time gathering. That is where my beliefs are now moving toward.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks The truth For now

[@Landis_Grant]

I was saved in 1977 at age 26 in a church that believes in the pretribulation rapture truth. My entire life changed. Every hour, I was expecting to be caught up to Heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ. The “Even so, come Lord Jesus” and “I come quickly” imminency resulted in me not having any long term career and life plans. It was a maximum of one year. Gone were entertainment distractions and other time wasters. Giving out the Gospel of Jesus Christ was paramount.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Landis

[@formless4541]

what happens to young children who havent died when the 2nd coming occurs?

[@lovejones4024]

They would immediately go to be with the Lord like anyone else who is saved.

[@formless4541]

@@lovejones4024sorry I meant children of unbelievers at the time when Christ returns to earth. I'm being very specific. Children will be born all the time. Are they "changed" or destroyed or do they populate the millenium?

[@RobertFurrow]

thanks Formless, we are not sure we can only speculate, some believe all children will be taken at the rapture.

[@lovejones4024]

@@formless4541 Children of unbelievers will be taken up in the rapture as long as they have not reached the age of accountability. The age of accountability varies from child to child depending on their level of maturity. Typically an age where a child knows right from wrong. Old enough to understand who Christ is and what He has done for them on the cross. Also old enough to develop an understanding of Him and a relationship with Him. Some have said the age of thirteen but it does depend on the person. During the second coming of Christ, all who got saved during the tribulation period will go on into the New Jerusalem/New Earth with Christ. This will start the 1000 year millennial reign period. So during the tribulation period people are still going to be procreating. Unfortunately those children that are born during that period will have to go through the great tribulation period along with their mother and father. Those children will be very young in age no older than 7 so I believe they would go with Christ to the New Earth. This is what I believe from what I've learned so far. Best thing to do is read and study the bible for yourself. You will truly learn so much!

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@lovejones4024 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@News2morrow]

The title says it all: "Why I believe in the pre-trib rapture." IF the pre-trib rapture was TRUE, the title would have said, "Scripture proves in a pre-trib rapture." The teacher above KNOWS that the Scripture does NOT teach a pre-trib rapture, but he's content to say, "Why I believe in a pre-trib rapture." Avoid MAN'S OPINION and stick with Scriptures, folks.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks news2marrow, I don't know that this is a very good argument ;-) I agree with you, Avoid MAN'S OPINION and stick with Scriptures, folks

[@News2morrow]

@@RobertFurrow Great! We're on the same page then. Now since we both believe Jesus' words over man's, we know that the Rapture occurs AFTER the Great Tribulation, thus nullifying man's opinion that the Rapture occurs before the Great Tribulation. Jesus plainly tells us the TIMING of the Rapture when He says, "Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great glory. "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of heaven to the other." Mat 24:29-31 KJV There’s your rapture. Plain as day and it occurs AFTER the Great Tribulation. Iron sharpens iron. Blessings friend.

[@benstr8156]

When do you think the rapture will take place?

[@SweeTeaNLemon]

I agree! We are consistently told to never take any man's word, but to go into scripture to find if what we are being told is true. Having said that. I agree it should read: Scenario #1 "Here's what the bible days about Pre-Tribulation", not here's " What Pastor believes in Pre-Tribulation". ( We can't find the above in scripture- without it causing confusion and thinking I wonder if that's what this means. Jesus Christ doesn't want us confused by His word. _______________________ Scenario #2 Its like Pastor saying: "Here's why I think Jesus Christ was crucified " OR .. "This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ being crucified" We can confirm scenario #2. (No disrespect Pastor Robert )

[@Joel-dl1mx]

“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Joel, I talk about this in the Video, Responses to 5 Thanks Joel, I talk about this in the Video, Responses to 5 objections to the pre-trib rapture.kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5TIepKrqrWFfKM

[@Joel-dl1mx]

@@RobertFurrow I appreciate your response. I respectfully disagree with your point. His coming, our gathering together with Him and the Day of The Lord are the same day which is borne out by the definite articles in the Greek. I believe a very clear sequence is defined in this passage: the falling away of many, the man of sin is revealed (by his own declaration) come before Jesus’ coming including our being gathered to Him precipitating The Day of The Lord (I.e. God’s Wrath that the church is not appointed to). We need to prepare our households for MEGA THLIPSIS “great persecution”, the 5th Seal, to stand and hold steadfast. In this world, we have persecution, but be of good cheer, He has overcome the world. Much respect.

[@gospelspreader1216]

Thanks for the message, i also believe that Christ will take His Church before the Great Tribulation...This is where i based my stand...the Scripture said in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 "God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.. And the church is His bride, why would He allow His bride to suffer the Great Tribulation before He marries it? I mean what kind of groom He would be if He let that to happen to His bride - "The Church".

[@RobertFurrow]

How amazing is the love of Christ, that he paid the price for sin so that all who receive him can have the promise of heaven!

[@e.garcia618]

Lets look at scripture based on scripture. Acts 14:22 KJV - Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through ----- much tribulation------ enter into the kingdom. Pre-tricker pastors don't like to admit the tribulation is the first part and at the last trumpet the wrath starts Here's just a thought and my view on why there will be no Pre-trib, Mid-trib, Why would it be Pre-trib, who would the Antichrist be trying too impersonate or counterfit? Because buy the time the Antichrist arrived there would have been not Church nor saints here for around three and half year. Also by the time the Great Tribulation would have started. By then everybody would have of forgotten who Jesus even was to impersonate or counterfit by then, you know how easy people forget. But if it happened after the Great Tribulation the Church and saints would still be here think about this.

[@e.garcia618]

Also your ''the church is the bride'' is very bad false doctrine!

[@williamverdell8856]

If u want to know what I believe, I have 5 videos on KZbin under the title Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus U might have to type in the rest of the title like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks

[@McgarickWAstate]

Hi Pastor, love the channel btw, Now I was under the impression that the 3.5 years has already been done of the 70th week (Christs ministry) So, half has been completed of the 7 years.. What are your thoughts? I'm pre trib too. Thanks!!

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Mcgarick. We believe that the tribulation period is seven years and in the future

[@williamverdell8856]

Is there going to be a resurrection when Jesus comes to get the church? John said he saw in the first resurrection the belivers who were murdered by the antichrist during the last three and a half year period, so if these believers who will be murdered by the Antichrist during his reign, how can u have a Rapture of any kind at the beginning of the seven year period, which would certainly exclude the great tribulation believer's? Is there a lie in the Bible? I don't think so, somebody has miss understood these scriptures.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks William, No there is not a lie there is only two parts to the first resurrection.

[@williamverdell8856]

@@RobertFurrow ok if there are two parts to the first resurrection, then why does 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 say that there will be a resurrection (single) of the Just, that will include the dead and the living, at the last trumpet, (single) nots trumpets as in more than one, scripture gives no indication of more than one resurrection of the just this side of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Plus I know your beliefs is that God's wrath happens during the seven year period, which is another reason u guys believe in a pre trib rapture, prove one thing to me, prove God's wrath happens during the seven year period, u do this and for certain my view is wrong. I promise u I'm only trying to show u guys a part of revelation that will open the book of revelation to u, a teaching on Revelation u have never heard, but if u don't watch my videos, your going to say how is his teaching different than anybody's else, and your going to miss the explanation of the 5th seal, and the 6th seal, which will change everything u understand about revelation, please watch the videos.

[@amandaquiroz5131]

I know that rapture will be here first. Omg I want to be LIFTED oh yes. Love pastor Furrow BLESSING to pastor Furrow amen.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Amanda

[@rongray9143]

Okay, but not one of those first deals with the timing of the rapture. is it not disingenuous to say that people who believe in a different time in fact don't believe in it at all?

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Ron, I'll check the video but I don't believe I said that, if you believe in the mid-trib, post-trib or the pre-wrath view you still believe in the Rapture.

[@kendalkemp6441]

What about the last trump, are you saying we will be gone before the trib but the bible said at the last trump you are confusing people.

[@RobertFurrow]

Kendal, There will be a video on the last trumpet soon, just because there is a last trumpet in a series, does not mean it is the last trumpet ever. Just like you could have a last day of the week, month of year. Hope this helps

[@Kman.]

We will hear trumpets all throughout the millennial reign of Christ during the Feast of Tabernacles.

[@e.garcia618]

@@Kman. I think you hear trumpets and bells every day!

[@7Logik]

The passage about praying to be accounted worthy is for the jews as they escape to the wilderness. We are sccointed worthy the church , by the blood of the lamb . Grace and peace .

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks, Praying to be worthy for the church is praying to walk in repentance and confection to God (1 John 1:9) so we don't give place to the enemy etc...

[@ivanmiranda8540]

I held this position, however now I’m studying about the amillenial view of schatology, where they believe the millenium is not literal much like a lot of what we see in the book of Revelation, and this school of thought holds the interpretation that the millenium started when Christ ascended into heaven and it was then that Satan was bound or limited in his influence so that the gospel would be known all over the world. That Jesus Christ’s second coming to earth happens only once and not in two parts. As I said, I’ve only begun studying about this. Pastor Robert, can you share and give me your perspective on this? Thank you.

[@RobertFurrow]

Yes, I will do a hot topic on each of the millennial positions, I do not think the wold around us supports that view. the would seems to be getting worse like Jesus said, like birth pains. until He returns. There are other reasons I will cover in a future hot topic. hope this helps

[@ivanmiranda8540]

@@RobertFurrow thank you. I look forward to that.

[@kenneth4685]

The Key Is ..... Be ready, keeping the Faith and not letting your lamp run dry. You can count 100% on the LORDS WORD.

[@RobertFurrow]

Amen

[@WatchmanofMKDN]

The verses you read said “at the last trumpet”. When are the previous 6 trumpets?? Are they outside of the tribulation and then at the seventh one the tribulation begins?? In revelation it says there are 7 trumpets. The verses you read lean more towards a post or mid tribulation rapture rather than a pre tribulation rapture.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Watchman, The seventh trumpet is not the last trumpet spoken of in 1 Cor 15, because there is at least one more when Jesus returns to this earth to establish his kingdom Matthew 24:29-31, so the question is which last trumpet is it. The last on for the church or Israel? or the people on the earth? or the last trumpet in the trumpet judgments? It is an over simplification to say the last trumpet Judgment is the same as 1 Thessalonians 4, or 1 Corinthians 15.

[@joesmith9412]

Can you say last trumpet

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Joe, Yes, can you tell me the last trumpet in the Bible?

[@talonarndt5560]

You compared the rapture with Jesus second coming and I just don’t see how you can separate the two.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks Ehpifany, In the rapture we meet Jesus in the air, at his second coming He returns to this earth.

[@jamesgretsch4894]

Good video. Why is the tribulation 7 years?

[@RobertFurrow]

Look at Daniel 9 the last Week of Daniel, plus 3 1/2 years broken up twice in Revelation and spoken of in Daniel.

[@jamesgretsch4894]

@@RobertFurrow I understand but I believe the tribulation is half of the 7 years that is the Trib is 3.5 years.

[@toddblanket35]

Tribulation is not seven years. You have tribulation which is the first five seals leading up to the sixth seal. The sixth seal begins the day of Christ. The first seal to the sixth is not seven years of tribulation. It's about 3.7 years.

[@toddblanket35]

@@jamesgretsch4894 you have tribulation, and great tribulation. Great tribulation begins at the abomination of desolation

[@tonyeaton671]

@@toddblanket35 who is the only one worthy to break the seals to give the command for the trumpets to be blown and bowls to be poured out?

[@olegig5166]

If one contributes the words of Jesus in Matt 24 and John 14 to the Rapture of the Church, then on has done two things. First one has made a liar of Paul when he said he was revealing a mystery with a mystery being something never before revealed. Secondly one has shut off any further Biblical study as to what Jesus was really referring. A good place to start in seeking what Jesus was truly speaking of is the search for whom are the guests at the wedding of Matt 22:10.

[@RobertFurrow]

Thanks olegig, I would not define a Mystery as something never before revealed.

[@olegig5166]

@@RobertFurrow ok, I would be very interested in how you would define a "mystery ". The Bible defines it thusly : But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 1 Corinthians 2:7 -KJV

[@thewicktrimmer9089]

@@olegig5166 The pre-tribulation rapture is limited to 144,000 people and not to the full church. The video below provides amazing evidence. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnIkmyVhrd9rMU

[@olegig5166]

@@thewicktrimmer9089 the Rapture is the catching out of the Church, the Bride of Christ. In short true Christians. The 144,000 are Jews who are on earth during the Tribulation. The fulfill the Great Commission by going around the world preaching the Kingdom Gospel that that man Jesus truly is the Son of God. The 144,000 are virgins not having ever been with woman. I think someone is teaching you heresy. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. Revelation 14:4 KJV

[@RobertFurrow]

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[@BIGLOVE4TRUTH]

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