Why I Bought a Base Porsche 911 over a Carrera T

[@doodechannel4024]

I chose a base over an S for the very reason he described, the smaller turbos have a much better feel. The S felt like I had to hammer it a lot more and then it had a much less linear power delivery. People told me I was crazy, but I liked the more streetable feel of the base vs. the S.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Me too, plus its cheaper

[@dcmckenz]

Glenn-love your car! So nice to see a vid on the base 911. I’ve had my 2018 991.2 Carrera since I special ordered it 2 1/2 years ago. I ordered mine with only 4 options: sport exhaust, sport seats (4-way), 20” Carrera S wheels, and PDK, in Sapphire Blue Metallic. I was very tempted to get the “T”. Years ago, I owned and restored a 1972 911T with mechanical fuel injection- which was a fantastic car. I also owned an ‘88 Carrera for several years. When the 991.2 came out I just had to have one.... never thought I would get a new 911, but it’s the most awesome car I’ve ever had! I will never sell it. I was also tempted to get the manual transmission, but the PDK is so fast and fun, I’ve not missed the manual. There truly is no bad 911!!! Enjoy!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Wow, we have very similar builds, sports exhaust, sport seats (4-way) and 20" Carrera S wheels and blue. Its an amazing car for the money

[@williamveramendi7738]

You are not alone. I changed my mind after I left a deposit for a T last year and now I could not be happier with my new 992 base model. I drive it here in Sydney Australia mostly on weekends. I felt like you at the dealership that this was the best car of all models .

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Great choice, congrats !

[@msbrownbeast]

Aesthetically, the use of 20" wheels dwarfs the brake rotors, and make them appear undersized and inadequate for the 911. Large wheels better with the higher models like the GT3 or Turbo as they have much larger diameter brake rotors.

[@gregspark9845]

Looking for a 911, and considering a manual Carrera T at present. Great video, common sense advice, so rare with KZbinrs on Porsche. Driver focused car and collectible status high on priority list. Your comments on future collectability very interesting. Top of my list is a 997 GTS, followed by C2S. The T has a 25-30% premium on our used market. So probably too high...

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Great comment. 997 GTS great choice, prices are sky high on those

[@Tdeegs]

100% agree beautiful car enjoy it. I love love my base 991.1. Track days are so fun 🏎

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Nice !

[@philnleblanc6664]

The T is not about “lightweight” and is more about options that aren’t available on a base or an S. THAT is what is going to make it collectible. It’s lacking the HP and get the S instead? No, just get an APR tune and now it has GTS power without paying anywhere near that amount. Make the car work to your advantage, and those who know how to option a car and get the most bang for your buck congrats because you have a winner.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Good point.

[@MrSchn3ll]

I was in a similar position and chose the T. I wanted carbon buckets (no rear seats), Carrera T interior, the short shifter with PTV and special features like lightweight glass. I want the sport cats and APR tune next. I annoyed my wife so much on picking my fun car - I was on deposit for the C8 (but it wasn't special enough and they will be everywhere soon - same price as the 911 as configured), I had a GT4 allocation (but it was 30k more than the T that I purchased and I couldn't justify spending that on a Cayman over a 911 - plus the 981 GT4 didn't wow me and there is very little power low in the rev range), I was thinking a fun SUV like a X3M or a GLC63 (but I'm not at that stage in my life yet), I even looked at C6 ZR1 (just too old, awesome however). I decided on the T because I found a deal I couldn't pass up with low milage and all the lightweight options I wanted and the exclusivity of a special edition 911 with less than 1,000 for the US market. Enjoy the car, it's amazing and the base engine is awesome

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Great choice, sounds like your T is the perfect spec

[@gwilliamlloyd925]

I think the T with a tune 470 Bhp is damn hard to beat , especially for the price. Great car

[@your_alter_ego]

Nice color on your base carrera! Hope you enjoy it. As you said, there is no wrong carrera. I got a guards red T with 7 speed manual, rear wheel steer, carbon buckets, T interior pkg, chrono clock and fire extinguisher. I think it will hold the value well since it will be the last narrow body T.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Great spec ! Congrats !

[@tomingrassiaimages8776]

From your comments, I think you made the best decision...good God I love Miami Blue with dark wheels. Unless you are absolutely in love with a T, it is overvalued....in my correct opinion!! when will you get the clear turn lights Glenn? let's get those changed Sir!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Yes, clear turn lights will be the first mod

[@stephenauty2402]

@@GlennsCarCollection That would be the first thing i would put on my car, I love those amber indicators, all our UK cars are clear, those amber ones look so retro and go so well with Miami Blue

[@obi-wankenobi7160]

That is a similar spec to mine, base carrera with 7spd manual. Mine is a 17 and black with 20k miles, Bose, and the Carrera S 20” wheels. I love it, and put a soul x-pipe and sport cats, sounds awesome with those burbles on deceleration. So powerful and considering a cobb or apr tune to push it closer to 500hp/500lb ft but it is Already plenty fast!!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Yes, I agree its fast already. Yours must sound amazing with the X pipe and sport cats !

[@obi-wankenobi7160]

Glenns Car Collection it does for sure, there is a short video on my channel that is me going through a tunnel and it is a bit rowdy! It did need an exhaust though because it was not equipped with PSE from the factory. I do like the look of the quad tips better than the 2 in the center with the PSE

[@Vampirebear13]

Yes Glenn, you said the magic phrase... There is no bad 911 :-)

[@GlennsCarCollection]

ha, ha Yep

[@jareknowak8712]

Great choice! I love the color on the body and on the rims!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Thanks! 👍

[@farley9255]

I'm the same with the NA motors. My 2.0fsi drinks gas like Andre the giant. 300hp vehicles average the same mpg as my 06' GTI. A C5 Corvette does also. Turbos mean thirsty is *insert whatever language you want*

[@GlennsCarCollection]

ha, ha, good point

[@DraegerV1]

Fast forward 2 years, finding a base model with Sports Plus seats, PSE, and no sunroof is nearly impossible...

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Good point, It really is

[@glenn3350]

Amazing color

[@GlennsCarCollection]

It really is!

[@alphonsepipo1948]

it will be a 'special' T in a sence because it will be the last narrow body of the 911

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Good point

[@rustyme1122]

I went back and forth over T vs base. Supposedly the T is a "rawer" base car to appeal to the "sportier" driver. Whatever. If the T has less insulation (not sure about that) to enhance the sound, why then put on the noise insulated plastic rear windows? I could maybe see the torque vectoring rear end being a plus, on the other hand is it really necessary or just another expensive gimmick? Also the interior options on a T are limited compared to the base. Interior trim is gloss black or painted exterior colored. Full leather seats are not offered. Wheel choice is only a select few. When it came time to put down a deposit, I went with a fancy full leather interior and bright silver wheel on a guards red base. I'm not knocking the T, but for me I wanted a fancier spec.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Great comment. I drove them back to back and didn't notice enough of a difference. I think you made the right choice

[@sachemrock]

Glenn, Carrera T still naturally aspirated? I prefer naturally aspirated also and agree that $17k savings is more important than the additional features on the Carrera, especially since you have the 20” wheels, sport exhaust and a manual! There is no bad 911, that’s a fact! I love the color of your car too!

[@apt62]

It’s basically the same car with some minor difference.

[@bokudou]

No, the T has same engine as base Carrera.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Thanks Robert. The T and the Base share the same turbocharged engine

[@foesfly3047]

What kind of differential comes in the base 911. I know it is not the fantastic torque vectoring unit but when I spin the tires, the car slides as if both tires are spinning.

[@bokudou]

I've noticed the paucity of rear steer option too. I've seen the Ts with $15-20k in options without rear steer.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

I agree, who specs these cars

[@guydavies3035]

I have base C2. But after paying attention to other users and discussions with Porsche, I seriously doubt whether anyone would notice the rear steer. The difference in handling is so subtle. I didn’t got for manual, and (unusually it would appear) not the sport exhaust either. I saw no point in adding an expensive option that does not improve performance. I might add aftermarket exhausts at some stage, but only if there would be a performance increase. As I got it in Sapphire Blue (which isn’t an option anymore) and the last of the narrow bodies it marks a moment in 911 history.

[@bokudou]

@@guydavies3035 Sapphire blue is a great color! I have no first hand experience with C2 with RWS. Only driven a 991.2 C2 without RWS and it was a joy. I was looking into used CT and noticed a lot of the highly optioned ones didn't have RWS. A few of the KZbinrs like Matt Farah and I think MotoMan thought it made a difference. I'm hoping they bring back the CT as a 992.2.

[@guydavies3035]

Alex C the manager of my local Porsche dealership confided in me that the vast majority of motorists cannot tell if the RWS is active (and this was backed up in a Nick Murray video). His evidence was that they had problems with 2 different 911’s with various electronic gremlins. The first one, one of the mechanics made the RWS inactive, and it was then test driven by other mechanics (used to driving a variety of 911’s obviously) and then it got sent back to the owner. The owner drove it for several months and never commented, but the original mechanic only realised his mistake when it came back in for a normal service where he made it operable again...but no one had picked up it wasn’t working. On another model, they picked up some faults on the suspension, and found that the RWS had not been working ever on the car, but no one had picked it up in several years. It was based on that very frank discussion that I decided I didn’t need the system!!

[@touringteg]

Some beefy side burns Glenn :D 24 different versions. That is pretty incredible. Your car is a safe bet with the right colour and 3 pedals. That is more important than the T options. Do you think we will get a 718 GT4 RS PDK?

[@GlennsCarCollection]

ha, ha. I just got a haircut. 718 GT4 RS, i don't know but it could have 500 HP

[@infillvaluecreation]

What did you pay used and what was the msrp, how much depreciation do you expect in year 1-2-3-4 of your ownership.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Original MSRP was $104k and can go way up from there with options. It would probably depreciate $5k-10k a year which I am fine with.

[@2smart3guys]

i thought the major selling point is PASM? it had a feature where getting a T would have a 20 MM ride lower from factory (not changeable) vs 10mm lowered if u get the option with a base car (bare in mind this could be only applicable to caymans but then isn't that why they made the cayman t? so I am assuming so) quiet interesting topic honestly due to me being between cayman, cayman t, and saving long term for a gt4 but idk which of these is the most fun to drive in twisties and sometimes around city. take care glen and every1!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

PASM is standard, mine has it. the T has a lower ride height

[@2smart3guys]

@@GlennsCarCollection so the lower height wasn't worth it huh? did u try anytime to drive a gt3rs or gt2rs? are they not worth the difference ? ik they drive amazing but compared to what u go maybe its only a 20% difference?

[@scottthecarguy8147]

All I heard was you’re going to make this a 500hp car with some bolt ons. 😂

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Ha ha, soon

[@drewmorg.]

Sorry guys but I don't understand the hype behind the T models. You pay more for less, then option it all back in anyway??? I don't get it. 44 pounds of weight savings is nothing to begin with. Additionally, I love manuals, but it's a crime not to get a PDK in 2020. The reality is you're spending 90% of your time in traffic and 10% on your favorite back roads -- spec accordingly!!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Good points

[@your_alter_ego]

Carbon bucket seats, rear wheel steering, sport PASM (10mm lower stance), thin rear glass and short shifter. It will retain its value much better than a base Carrera.

[@drewmorg.]

@@your_alter_ego You are correct on the value retention. But is it actually worth it.. I don't think so

[@toddpatt585]

A tune on your's would bump it up to maybe 550 HP.

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Yep, more than enough

[@Fairhavenbranch]

The Carrera T is too focused for daily drivability. You made the right choice in purchasing the base car!

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Thanks !

[@theanthonyv]

Couldn’t agree less... I daily-drive a 911 T and it’s perfectly up to the job, same as any non-GT model would be. I suppose that daily drivability could be affected by optioning the carbon buckets, rear seat delete and NAV/radio delete, but few Ts are spec’ed exactly that way. It’s a great daily car - versatile, fast, and decent fuel economy.

[@34hockeyplayer]

Love this car

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Me too

[@rubioalejo]

You made a mistake... futuro will let you know! T is the one!

[@lifeflightunlimitedblu-deu1592]

The only person or review to mention turbo lag ??

[@chasuchasu7448]

I do not agree. Will take the T . More rare, ,more special and more collectible. Remember the RS America back then compared to the carrera 2 ?

[@Brett7777]

How much Turbo lag is on S. Would you say a full second compared to your car?

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Not a full second but definitely noticeable

[@winkstorm]

I have a 991.2 2S with 7-sp manual and I don’t notice any turbo lag especially in sport or sport + mode unless you’re on 6 or 7 gear. It all depends on what gear you’re on and at what RPM. People saying naturally aspirated engine is better because it has no lag. What they didn’t say is it has no torque either. I know this because I used to owned a 997.1 S manual prior to buying the 991.2 S in 2017. From an instant power point of view, the 991.2 is in a whole different world.

[@michaelhumel4288]

Just curious what bolt on will get you 500 hp?

[@doodechannel4024]

a stage 1 tune through APR will get you pretty close. I think it's somewhere around 485 hp.

[@jojoc3594]

Nice Spec

[@GlennsCarCollection]

thanks jojo

[@dodgethehell]

But Miami blue adds 30 hp

[@GlennsCarCollection]

Ha ha, it sure does

[@jacksonramsay1572]

Dang

[@bertrandconeim5448]

Mais tais toi donc !!! Je bruit du moteur est tellement plus agréable !!! Normalement .

[@captgiddyup88]

Painful

[@tedroverts6414]

T is overrated

[@GlennsCarCollection]

I agree