Why I Cheese Games...

[@Fracture.Gaming]

This is gonna by my channel trailer. Now that notification KZbin keeps showing me about making a channel trailer will go away (I hope)

[@normal6969]

If it's in the game, it's legal. :D My current main trailer video is the music of making a modpack. But I like cheese.

[@normal6969]

Ps: you vere too modest in the end. You have reflexes?!?! :O I don't. So let's look around here, then make some outrageous demands, as humans do!

[@Cicincz]

if is it not multiplayer and pvp it is legal!

[@blacknyellow962]

Simple rule: You purchased the game, you get to decide how and when you enjoy that. Doing whatever methods you want to have fun is all that matters in the end. Some people don't like cheesing some people do. I personally try and complete games "normally" once or twice and then start trying to break as many things as possible.

[@HalIOfFamer]

Important rule that overwrites yours. Only if the game is single player. Cheesing bugs/unintended mechanics behavior to gain advantage over people who play the game as it was intended to be played it basically cheating.

[@hereticFox716]

​@@HalIOfFamersingle player: do whatever the hell your brain can think of Coop: do whatever the hell you can think of, within reason so you dont screw over other people

[@HalIOfFamer]

@@hereticFox716 *unless they are your friends

[@hereticFox716]

@@HalIOfFamer friends are fair game, fuck them over all you want, theyre not people, theyre family

[@MorganaEvelyn]

I'm lactose intolerant but cheese is yummy and a risk I'm willing to take

[@heqitao]

I love it. People who demand you play the game the "right" way make me laugh. Life is about finding whatever way is possible and making the most of it. Following the rules others make turns you into a sheepeople. Screw that noise. Ya wanna come out on top? Follow your own rules... and then break em!

[@SkippyTheBeerCan]

Damn, some of these people really need some cheese with all that wine.

[@hereticFox716]

Damn imma use that whenever someones bitching now

[@A11ie_Russo]

you are a genius thank you for this comment, I had a big laugh 😄💛

[@dh599]

I got another word for ya. Fun. Seriously some of the stuff you pull off is creative or at least ludicrous and it's fun watching someone break the game or breaking the game yourself. Also amazing that you and I both cheese KOTOR, when I was a kid I did the exact same thing... except I never managed to pull it off, bravo.

[@TheAgamemnon911]

"Because you can", "Because it's fun" and "Just because" are also all valid reasons. :D

[@galliumgames3962]

Single player games are supposed to be played however you see fit. In BG3, the most fun I had in any fight was coming up with my own homemade cheese. Many of the game’s fights are highly stacked against you and the game actively encourages you to find creative solutions. In the Viconia fight, I didn’t bother talking to her, but instead sent a high-alert character (gale) to aggro the fight, misty stepped them out the entrance, and hid my party behind the entrance. My Drow sorcerer than lit up the entrance with wall of flames and misty stepped out of harms way, Shadowheart activated Philar Aluve and Karlach got ready to tank the entrance behind the wall. Karlach outputted high DPS, my casters went off on AoE spells and enhanced magic missiles and Shadowheart used spirit guardians. Hardly any damage was taken in the the fight and was so satisfying after getting nuked doing it the “right way.” Well built games have amazing emergent behavior and there is so much fun to be had pushing, prodding and tinkering with them.

[@WTFIWWML]

If smt is in the game, known and don't get fixed, it's a feature.

[@zackcash7626]

People watch you because you have fun, keep doing it!

[@ElectrocutedAir]

The KOTOR story got me right in the nostalgia. I too beat taris at level 2, just to make the most OP guardian or Consular I could 😅 nothing wrong with that!

[@jeffzheng6372]

Never change Fracture, never change

[@screezy799]

Just a heads up - I would absolutely watch a KOTOR playthrough/cheese video if you ever made a full series. One of the greatest games of all time. Just letting you know, and keep up the great work on the DOS2 vids, I've been loving them!

[@Fracture.Gaming]

OBS studio HATED kotor. The small amount of footage I included in this video is completely surrounded by frames being dropped and frozen video. Maybe I’ll check out Sith Lords and see if OBS likes it more.

[@amogus5167]

@@Fracture.Gaming Running OBS in admin mode might improve that if you didn't try already, I know for some games it helps a lot. Love your vids!

[@Fracture.Gaming]

@@amogus5167 I had not tried it, I'll have to see if it helps :)

[@rielleah]

i dont get why people hate cheesing, i think its such a fun and creative way to overcome an obstacle, especially if you find out to do it by yourself

[@lolschrauber]

I had the same issue you had in KOTOR in KOTOR 2. There was one mandatory fight with Atton and I never used him. He had no level, no equip, no items, nothing.

[@Fracture.Gaming]

Its been so long since I've played KOTOR 2, but I have a memory of myself using a force power that revives party members. I sent 2 party members into a difficult fight and had the 3rd in solo mode hang back and just revive them over and over until we finally finished off all the enemies. Young Fracture learning how to cheese, one wacky strategy at a time...

[@marcusplaystuff636]

Ey cheesing aint cheating, it aint easy being cheesy i respect it

[@SwordTune]

I don't have lactose intolerance, so cheese is the only way I know how to play.

[@PrimroseParadox]

I always enjoy watching vids about people bending games over their knee and utterly destroying them with weird and crazy strategies and cheeses. Sometimes I have no idea how people think of these things. Just watched your DoS2 Act 3 video, saw this, and I think I'm gonna subscribe. Quality content.

[@velvetthunder8732]

If you're ever making a savory sauce for a meal, add grated cheese and stir until melted. Makes it creamier and tasty.

[@LordBaktor]

I'm proud to also have come up with that idea for KOTOR on my own back in the day. I remember having the hardest time finishing the last gladiator fight (the one against Bendak Starkiller or something like that). I solved it by buying all the grenades (I'm afraid you might have misread that, I didn't say "a lot of grenades", I said "all the grenades") and running in circles while chucking them backwards. Wasting only two levels on being non-jedi made me feel really smart.

[@Fracture.Gaming]

lol I also remember throwing grenades like crazy on that one. Every powerful grenade I could get my hands on was tossed

[@НепТор]

People who tell you to play the game *right* don't know how to play games. They just forget that games are meant for fun and satisfaction, no matter if they get that desire fulfilled, through mastery and hard work or exploits and cheese all the way

[@davidgab4448]

God bless you young man, and your cheese connection

[@kittydaddy2023]

I recently got KOTOR on Amazon Prime for free and about an hour into it I remembered, "aren't you supposed to not level up?"

[@vanguardshep]

Figuring out just how much I can bend the rules of D&D/BG3 to make Karlach jump insane distances across the battlefield and have six attacks per turn has been so much more fun than anything I did while I was in my achievement hunter phase back in the day. Thanks for all you do for video game curiosity and cheese :)

[@Corveign]

Just found you, love it Cheesy gameplay is best gameplay I want more!

[@Fracture.Gaming]

I'm on it! Lol I took a little break because I was burned out, but today was my first day back at it!

[@alexbloodgood1]

just bought DOS2 on sale and found your channel. haven't had this much fun playing a game in a long time. didn't find out about the kotor level strat till years later but replayed it just for that reason after finding out just so i could feel op early. keep making those grilled cheeses.

[@johnroscoe2406]

Cheese is fun and it's interesting to see the limits and blindspots of game mechanics. Nothing wrong with cheese. In my experience both personal and watching others we cheese games once we already know how to play them straight anyway.

[@shiyakiasato8215]

I love to play adventure/rpgs, but I have the most fun just exploring the world, the character and so on, so I like to cheese my way through the fights or even play on the lowest difficulty level. Could I beat the game the normal way and on higher difficulty? Yes, I've done so in the past, but why should I, when it doesn't give me extra fun?

[@ProductofWit]

It's an art form.

[@yukimuratoru]

That's so funny cause the way I see it is "Cheesing" is just super advanced strats that only the best of the best can know. Like, i'll watch one of your vids and try to do the same thing myself and am rarely able to execute it like you do.

[@pobatron]

I can't cheese games cuz I'm lactose intolerant 😢

[@AntonsVoice]

Is tofu an appropriate replacement?

[@LutraLovegood]

@@AntonsVoice ​ Tofu is nothing like cheese, most cheese at least. It's like mozzarella at best, and even then it's a stretch.

[@timmy9818]

I first encountered cheese in games 2 different times First being skyrim and how broken the potion / enchantment system is Second being starcraft 2, people going for the same build every match is boring so it was interesting when I first encountered cannon rush and other similar strategies I don't care how people play their games, even I mod my first playthrough with community patches when I try a singleplayer game

[@LeoTheDarkAngel]

Tbh, I really enjoy to see cheesy gameplay. I'm a software developer myself and like to stick to rules and stuff, so even if I could come up with all the ridiculous stuff to cheese games (which I usually don't because I see the game as a software that teaches me the intended way to use it) it would probably stress me out a lot to go outside of boundaries etc. It's so refreshing and entertaining to watch cheesy gameplay (or gameplay where the player is actually immersed, as I tend to not be and constantly think about how a certain mechanic was programmed to work so if a behaviour is immersion breaking I do often not realize it but take that information to figure out the inner workings of the game)

[@sykomikey3612]

I found this channel because of this: "Using Ridiculous Strategies in Divinity Original Sin 2 | Driftwood" and never in my life did I enjoy content as much as this.

[@zanuka7487]

that's the spirit

[@dingo702]

I'm just a simple console guy but i'll never let a pc player tell me anything (like you being told to play the "right" way) because following the BMW subreddit taught me that so many pc players will apparently install mods like moving a bit faster, have better defence, more xp etc from the starts or early on which absolutely ruins the games design or what the developers had in mind for their game

[@Bl1ndz0r123]

Just found your channel and easily subscribed, curious to see how you cheese Baldur's gate 3

[@oo__ee]

You've opened my mind up that's for sure.

[@AntonsVoice]

Boom is fun

[@ADHDArcadeTime]

Just got a new sub for this video awesome take man well said!

[@hitlord]

I've never related more with an opinion about playing than this. I'm very often asked the same by my friends (I lack the access to a larger audience to hear the usual "play the intended way" or whatever), either when I purposefully gimp myself (playing every single game I come across as true solo, no matter how impossible it gets) or when I do that and also incorporate less usual tactics, IE dairy, into my arsenal. The thing is, can you really blame me for doing something the game allows me to do? Go blame the damn devs that didn't have cheesers on the playtesting roll. I'm using the power of the engine to my full extent, if anything I'm honouring the devs by extracting every single bit of value from their masterpiece.

[@AntonsVoice]

Play weird is more fun then the intended way

[@libraofscales846]

I just discovered you after your Warlock only Baldur's gate video and now I'm spending my day watching a lot of your videos! I love the way your playing games and its awesome to watch please make more! and if you read this I've asking my self this question recently. Is it possible to solo Baldur's gate 3. So no party members just your character and I think your the best content creator to ask this question to!

[@Fracture.Gaming]

I don't remember seeing this comment, but yeah I have no doubt I could solo BG3 on tactician. There's a reasonably good chance I'll make a video about it at some point, but by then it'll have been done by others I'm sure. So I'm thinking I'll do it as "Can Karlach beat bg3 solo" and do it for each Origin character. I'll add a few challenge constraints to make it interesting: No changing their starting stats or class Must put at least half their level ups into their starting class Must choose dialogue options that have tags related to them or their starting class whenever possible

[@azuresiren9052]

being watching your vids for days, can't wait for you to chess bg3

[@adsaidler]

Cheesing is way more fun than playing normally 😅

[@The_Azure_]

I usually never cheese on a first playthrough as I like to experience it how the devs intended, unless an encounter is overtuned. However on any subsequent playthrough I free myselft to use anything I can like min-maxing, abusing stealth mechanics, breaking pathing, breaking the economy, etc. Well, not if it makes gameplay braindead like Skyrim's Alchemy, Enchanting, Smithing loops. Nor if the abuse doesn't fit the character. Like playing a classic Barbarian who enjoys immersing themselves in a massive fight, but having them also abusing stealth mechanics just doesnt feel fun for me.

[@Fracture.Gaming]

My level of cheesing usually depends on who I’m playing with. I don’t go super cheese heavy with friends usually, unless we need the help to survive. My full divinity playthrough with friends was just a huntsman build the whole time. Just chilling and shooting at enemies with a ton of critical strike chance.

[@sunbleachedangel]

JUST STOP HAVING FUN, DUDE, COME ON!

[@adamknighton2232]

You should be careful telling everyone in the world that you have terrible reflexes. If someone you know sees this, they might start stuffing their pockets full of Kraft Singles American Cheese® and frisbeeing it onto your your face where it gets stuck because you can't avoid it.

[@Fracture.Gaming]

Everybody knows cheese can't harm me. We reached an agreement long ago: A permanent alliance! Aside from the lactose intolerance...

[@mattl.3453]

Same.

[@kurisu2003]

so what do you think is worst. cheesing a game or cheating in the game.

[@Fracture.Gaming]

I don't believe in the concept of cheating in a game if it is a PvE single player game. I think people who cheat in online multiplayer games are scum.

[@Ellebeeby]

That’s all very well and good, but have you considered perfect block git gud skill issue?

[@ZerXs7]

2:08 wait, ain no way your reaction time is actually at 800 ms xd

[@Fracture.Gaming]

Lmao you caught me, I did it bad on purpose for the joke. My actual reaction speed is usual dead center average or just a little towards the slow side.

[@LutraLovegood]

Skill issue Same

[@yobson]

people malding about others playing games how they like are so stupid

[@A11ie_Russo]

the INTENSE™ players are so hateful about clever gaming it's ridiculous. "I played the game in the hardest mode possible with no scrolls and elemental arrows and bombs and with no mages in my party, that was a TRUE experience, otherwise game is NO FUN" like... dude... good for you, no critique from me. but why yelling that my alternative playstyle is cheesing... that i play without HONOR by using the ingame mechanics. ugh.

[@Dylan_ISA]

I think seeing cheesing is cool. It's not like your titles are "you suck and im better"

[@JoshuaJoiner-sp9ue]

Git gud scrub

[@lowfpsman]

Weakling. Level 1 grenades and mines!