Why I Chose Leisure Travel Vans | LTV Wonder RTB

[@fremzter]

LOL same I don't even have any plans buying any RV but I love watching Dean. Honestly the guy could sell me a rock.

[@sharyneyman3806]

Mine is a 2007 and I still love it.

[@7saigon5]

Yeah I would think so too! Thanks for your thoughts!

[@Lolaandcassidyadventures]

We just bought a used 2018 LTV Unity FX. We love it!

[@barberdean4714]

Dean is Awesome!...as are Leisure Travel Vans....you have echoed my thoughts on the company and their product. A great choice...well done!

[@deanmay338]

Just discovered your channel. Laura and I are empty nesters that bought a 2005 Casita molded fiberglass egg camper in 2015. We have camped 225 nights in it since then. LOVE it. However, I will retire in 3 years. I enjoy researching RVs, camping, and travel. The LTV RTB is my number #1 favorite small motorhome for retirement. I will check out your other video detailed video. Nice job with the video. Look forward to following you.

[@richardmasulli6602]

Great Video - we watched Dean for a few years while we waited to sell our home. When it finally sold, we were able to find a New, Late 2020 RTB Wonder built on the 2020 Gas Chassie. Like you, we've had our issues, but having owned boats for many years, we were used to dealing with such issues. Customer Service has been good and after watching your video I realize we choose LTV for many of the same reasons.

[@kimatlastlooks2915]

Dean can sell you your own house and throw in a paint job by the owner. He's a terrific salesman and presenter. The Enthusiasts' group is phenomenal.

[@bobshoe1]

We first owned the much more costly Airstream Interstate that we thankfully traded on an LTV Unity twin bed. Absolutely no manufacturer compares with LTV for quality and value. Also resale value. Astonishing how much value it keeps and how quickly you can resell it. There are countless reasons why LTV is backordered about a year. Well worth the wait.

[@stevesent1]

Hi, Can you share what your Airstream issues were?

[@bobshoe1]

@@stevesent1 Bad design, bad execution. The Interior designed for looks, not practicality. Stupid things added like electric powered shades and screens, that could never be synched. An electric macerator hose reel that jammed the hose when turned on and blew its fuse. Cabinet button locks that were cosmetic and didn’t lock cabinets so emptied its contents on turns. Putting the heavy microwave in a lower drawer that flew out on turns. Worst was the rear side seats had wooden sides to hold a useless and painful mechanism. When the sofa was lowered into a bed and you attempted to sleep, your knees were destroyed hitting wooden pieces that were used to hold the side seat mechanisms. Etc. Etc. It was a costly mistake that we made.

[@stevesent1]

@@bobshoe1 Wow, I am guessing the Airstream Atlas is just as bad as they carry a lot of the same components. The Atlas sure looks good, but..... I read a couple of bad reviews on a forum for the Atlas and the LTV seems to be real community where the Airstream's "comparable products" seems non-existent. Thank you for sharing!

[@bobshoe1]

@@stevesent1 Airstream Atlas on the MB Sprinter chassis is an overpriced and not as well executed copy of a late model LTV. Does not compare with the newer LTVs. Any LTV Unity (on the MB Sprinter chassis) is far superior. LTV was the first RV manufacturer to build on the MB Sprinter chassis. It’s Wonder on the Ford Transit chassis is also superb. We have a new Coachmen Beyond AWD with Lithium package on the Ford Transit chassis. It’s fabulous.

[@michellepalmer1782]

We made the decision to sell our home and joining the nomad life as full timer. Currently we are leaning towards 2021 Wonder RL and have visited a dealership in CA. So far several including this video have issues even when it's brand new...this is discouraging. But I'm grateful for the honesty. We are now looking other than leisure van. Yes! Dean is awesome with the walk through. At the same I will not invest over 100K that is brand new with instant issues or problems.

[@desireeodonahue4278]

I too am looking to buy our first RV, although not for full-time living. I’ve done a TON of research and no one RV mfg is perfect. You will find many videos where people have encountered problems with their new RVs, across many brands. In fact most experienced RVers will tell you to be prepared for things to break. The key is to find a reputable dealer, as well as reputable brand and good warranty. Leisure Travel is among whats considered a premium brand, along with Pleasure Way and Airstream. These brands are known for their quality, reliability, fit and finish of their coaches. Also, just as when you purchase a home, you can hire an inspector to check everything on your rig so you can identify issues on the spot and have them addressed BEFORE driving it off the lot 👍🏼

[@mompilot1]

Nicely done! Looking forward to your future videos. I purchased a 2021 Unity TB in May. I've gotta wait until next Summer or Fall to travel.

[@drewyager4020]

Did you get your LTV yet??

[@noworries.8601]

Great job and Thank you! I just placed a deposit on a 2021 Wonder AWD RL. I chose LTV for most if not all of your reasons. The RTB was my second choice. I decided on the RL for the amount of living space. I will be living in it full time, so I felt having more living space would suit my intentions (and personality) best. I am preparing myself for the potential issues which can and will arise once I receive my and I thank you for reinforcing the importance of being malleable. Thank you again. I will update you in potentially 8-10 months. Happy travels!

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Thank you for the comment. And congrats on the RL. We went back and forth between the RL and RTB, and honestly I think I would have been happy with either. I look forward to your update in a few months! - Eddie

[@noworries.8601]

@@TheScenicExplorer Question, are you able to stream on the TVs? Such as netfix e.g.?

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Yes. It has an HDMI matrix which allows up to 4 different devices that can be played on either of the 2 TVs. It came with a smart blu Ray player that can stream from Netflix and all the other streaming platforms. But I ended up adding an Apple TV to use as well. And with the Winegard WiFi booster that comes standard, it’s been easy to get a good reliable internet connection when available.

[@noworries.8601]

@@TheScenicExplorer That is very helpful information. Thank you.

[@alantittle299]

These are my two favorites. Would love to hear about your ventures upon using you RL. Yes, the best living space and great camp view in RL. I think I will have to be far more disciplined or less adventurous than I am with as little storage as RL has. But awesome living space and easily operates as an office. At 6'4" I also have to be very aware of which bed I get. Too many are typically short.

[@brentbarker5697]

Watched both your videos this morning and subscribed. Thanks for sharing the walkthrough and for the idea to record ours when that eventually happens down the road. I know the walk through was not intended to be shared but wanted to confirm production video of the newest video was great. We look forward to following your travels and experiences when you can get everything fixed and on the road. We've narrowed our search to the Wonder RTB and RL and will have a chance to see both in person in late October. I'm 5'11" and am very concerned about the significantly lower ceiling to accommodate the bike garage in the RTB. Although you will likely cover this in a video soon, can you give a short comparison of the "roominess" of the bedroom areas of each (RTB vs RL)?

[@horizon42q]

If I was going B+ I would get the Wonder or Unity Rear Lounge. Dean is the best RV reviewer. The. Wife teaches online, so she would want the rear for her office. But, we are Class A RVers right now, maybe when I downsize when I’m older. I just subscribed to you to get you to 1000 soon

[@fpftraining]

I saw your radiator hose drama on the FB page, and now KZbin put you into my feed! I had my eye on the Wonder RTB and a retirement date of May 2022, but I have decided to go early. This put me way out of synch to buy an LTV and I need an RV with that danged garage! So it'll be another brand for about half the price and 1/3rd the quality. Thanks for the informative video!

[@JoeyBagOfBagels99]

Because I've been watching a ton of RV Videos, yours came up today. I agree with all 10. Really similar except a few things, I have not purchased yet. I saw Dean about a month ago, and was hooked with Leisure. Every video after, you could not compare. I'm thinking seriously about selling everything, and going top level. I'm talking every option. Also more swaying towards the Unity MB (Murphy Bed), with lounge chairs. If you watch the video, I like the TV set up, and you can use the bed with out pulling out the side. I just watched a video, comparing a Ford and Mercedes or Wonder and Unity. Something I did not think of: Maintenance. Couple said it was over $200 for an oil change vs. $60 for the Ford. Also going for service where the bay doors can fit the RV. Just wanted your thoughts on the Wonder vs. Unity. I'm giving myself 10-12 month plan. Friend of mine likes the Winnebago View. I did not like the View because you had to add a cushion to the front seats, when turned around. Also had some great advise to rent a B+ for a week or so, to see what travel would be like. Did not know the order time was so long, maybe by the end of next summer, 2020's used?

[@277kne]

I like Leisure Travel too. I watch a guy on KZbin that has a 99 Leisure Travel van. May be a little small for me. Also I like Pleasure-Way. I spoke over the phone directly to Dean the owner. I had some questions. He was very nice.

[@277kne]

Clarification: Wander Dano is the guy with the Leisure Travel van on KZbin. Dean Rumpel is the owner of Pleasure-Way that I spoke to.

[@cheryl814]

Where did you buy your wonder there aren’t any dealerships in the Massachusetts area

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Cheryl Gerzeny’s RV World in Fort Myers, FL. But I would NOT recommend using them.

[@darrenray8744]

Was the Leisure Travel dealer offering any discounts off MSRP? I've contacted the one in Maryland and they're selling at List plus $4k destination fees

[@vangonomad]

How the hell did you get your RV before me? I ordered my Oct 2020. I'm still waiting for my 2020 Unity RL

[@ThatNiravGuy]

If I put in a custom order today, I’m just wondering how many months/years it will take to get it delivered.... with the whole covid thing going on.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Congrats!! I wish you luck with the process. We’re you given a timeline?

[@darrenray8744]

Local Maryland dealer told me two days ago it's 12-18 months

[@PK-Coco]

We ordered ours Dec 2019, it's in final production now and looks like we'll get it around mid Feb 2021. We were told originally 12 months months but then the pandemic hit and supply chains slowed

[@2000ReRyRo]

Liked & subscribed, but I have to say, though it's really good and useful to watch the LTV videos and use a well-designed website, I would never put such temporary conveniences on a 10-most-important reasons to buy list. I think such a list should only include things that you're going to be dealing with day in and day out. A few months down the road (if not a few days) when you're discovering quirks or annoyances -- or even hidden treasures -- I don't think how professional their website was or how entertaining their CEO is in videos -- I don't think those things are going to retain any importance at all in overall ownership. So I am surprised to see those on a top-10 list of reasons to choose Leisure.

[@randyneely1898]

Good video but you’re singing to the choir lol… 2015 unity Murphy bed 80,000 miles probably be at 100 by the end of the year we use ours a lot all right you know your RV. Randy Neely Chico ca.

[@lylalobo9194]

Thank you

[@111change]

how could i not see the "eddy webby" display in the background. We need to connect at some PB tourney soon. I am in the market for a RV and have been watching hours of video.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

I look forward to seeing you at a Pickleball tournament as well! What’s your next tournament? -Eddie

[@genesiesky3756]

How did they resolve the issue of a 2020 chassis arriving instead of the 2021 you ordered? Did your 2020 come with all of the safety features and large screen of the Ford 2021 cab?

[@TheScenicExplorer]

I was able to negotiate a lower price from the dealer when I found out it was a 2020, and from what I can tell, the main differences are the latches on the exterior storage, and a slight change to the interior. Other than that, everything else is the same as the 2021.

[@paulk9188]

Great vid! Is the total carrying weight really 1,800 pounds?

[@talleysartstudio]

I love the van however. What I don't understand is that same ford engine in a truck has 2xs+ more of a warranty than these vans. It's the same engine. 25k miles vs 60kmiles without the van.

[@tomcarroll3771]

I have a question, the time you ordered it to the time you received it how long was that, and did it come in earlier than you expected

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi Tom - This one was ordered by the dealer months before I put money down on it. I believe they ordered it last December, and I took delivery in July though.

[@karensimon2003]

How hard was it to get your van from Canada into the states and did it take a long time to process and where did you go and look at the leisure vans

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi Karen Simon - I went through a local dealership in Fort Myers, FL - Gerzeny's RV World, however I cannot recommend them. It's been a very poor experience from beginning to end. They did however coordinate getting the vehicle in from Canada, so I am not sure what all went into that process. I did put a deposit down on the vehicle without ever seeing it in person, and the only Leisure Travel Van that I saw in person prior to purchasing my wonder, was an older Serenity that was in the dealership for service. I hope that helps! -Eddie

[@jamesharris7680]

When are you going to put up another video

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi James - I have been wanting to get one of the many videos I have planned shot and edited, however my Wonder has been at the shop because the refrigerator needs to be replaced (leaking ammonia), so I haven't been able to get much footage. I promise more videos coming up as soon as it gets replaced and I can get more footage. -Eddie

[@PandaEFX]

Great video. Looks like a South Florida hood.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Thank you! You guessed right....Naples FL.

[@jamesharris7680]

I just bought a Unity FX 2021 won't be delivered till end of 2021

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Wow, that is a long time to wait! You will be an expert on the unit by the time you pick it up though. What are some of the reasons you went with that specific model and floorplan? -Eddie

[@horizon42q]

Long wait, Wow! Great Floorplan too. That’s our second choice. We like the rear lounge. But we aren’t buying. Just looking. Love the Leisure Travel Vans

[@528118389]

You seem to have missed a company Coach House.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi Pat - I actually really wanted to like Coach House for a few reasons, primarily because they are local to southwest Florida where I live. However I felt their decor and floorplans were quite dated, and not as with the times when it comes to the look and feel. But still a great company with a great product. I just like LTV better.

[@528118389]

@@TheScenicExplorer Totally understand. I had money down on a Unity FX. Went to the Tampa RV show to see the Coach House and see the factory. Once we walked into the Coach House Platinum ll RRT (rear twin bed and recliners) we were sold. The true one piece shell and true four season set up, it was an easy choice for us. The bottom line is enjoy what ever motorhome you buy.

[@PiaMartiello]

Thanks for the info. Good to know. I've had my eye on these for quite a while and I'm just about ready to make a decision.

[@Johnsouthshore]

Even though you had a great experience.. they have no dealers remotely close to my region ( New England)... your issues scare me away..with no dealer.. paid for a 21.. got a 20? Refrigerator? Dealer issues.. no Interest in friction created without a dealer

[@drewyager4020]

You keep saying quality but that went downhill fast. I’m really liking the Wonder. When it’s lithium and no geni no propane I’m buying

[@santajefflowe]

As a parochial school teacher it would take me about 8 years to be able to afford it and that’s not spending money on living! My priorities are different than these 10. #1 for me is reliability! I don’t want anything breaking in the first 100,000 miles like my Kia minivan. How pretty it is doesn’t cut it if I can’t trust it to run and run and run. I want it to be like a Timex watch, takes a lickin and keeps on running #2 Reliability, see #1 #3 the problems you experienced makes me want them to offer free roadside assistance for 10 years. The response arrival time should be 2 hours. #4 Customer service responsiveness #5 overall quality, durability and reliability. See #1

[@lydiaantunez2330]

What made you choose the Wonder LTV over the Unity LTV?

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Great question. I think the Unity is a great coach, and in some ways superior to the Wonder. For me, having a gas engine on a Ford chassis that is much easier and cheaper to service, with more Ford dealerships and certified service centers available nationwide than Mercedes dealerships...these were big factors. I hope that helps! -Eddie

[@Nicky-WorldCitizen]

Wait! Let me try to understand: you paid for a 2021 model and got a 2020 (seems like an issue of dealer dishonesty), radiator hose problem only 30 miles into your maiden trip (seems like a quality control issue but you listed quality as one of the reasons you bought LTV) and refrigerator ammonia leak. Don’t get me wrong. I am not here to trash you. I am looking to buy a class B or B+ and have narrowed my final choices to LTV and Pleasure-Way after watching hundreds of hours of video on KZbin. The closest LTV dealer from where I live is 170 miles away. It would be helpful if you explain in your video how you solved the problem. As your new RV is still under warranty, I would imagine LTV would fix the problems. However, did you have to have your RV towed to the nearest LTV dealership, or just any RV repair shop and LTV would pay for it, provided you obtained pre-authorization from them? In a hypothetical case, if my LTV RV has problems that don’t affect the driving but need to be fixed (refrigerator, AC, water leak, etc.), am I required to drive 3-4 hours to the dealer hoping they can take care of it that same day (and if not, I would have to stay in a nearby hotel, incurring additional cost)?

[@bstr-ey6wl]

Nicky430512 buy a Forster. High german quality under 50.000...

[@accordiontube]

Yes. I am curious about the details also of how you managed the repair process.

[@czealtamahawk1228]

Dean does not cover chassis and RV reliability. Mercedes-Benz v6 diesel and Ford v6 eco bs have real issues. LTV does not customize their utilities equipments the way you want it. You can just pick options from their site. If you choose no propane, solar, generator, black tank, and have 1500 watts battery bank to power everything then they'll say NO.

[@EddieAndWebby]

Besides building your own Chassis, what other options do you have? And what RV manufacturer allows for 100% customization of the options in an RV? This comment is confusing...can you please clarify what you would like Leisure Travel to do that would make you happy?

[@born2bwildne744]

Pleasure Way is very high quality -= and their warranty is a lot longer.

[@accordiontube]

But I think they are temporarily not making the B+ models...

[@phungo-fi3888]

I'm sorry. I think you should be more critical of the issues you had with the RV. You just spent probably $100K+ and it broke down less than 50 miles. I would be furious. Not to mention the other issues you had. I'm in the market and really do like the Leisure Travel brands but build quality is troubling me.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi Phu - I appreciate your perspective and definitely was very upset with the situation. And I have been continually working with LTV to fix any issues, and they have been pretty good at responding. It’s hard to tell where the responsibility of LTV ends and my dealer begins though, because I definitely blame my dealer for most of the issues I am facing. As far as build quality goes, I still believe that LTV is superior to every other brand in the B+ market, and nothing else comes close. But it’s all based on my experiences alone. -Eddie

[@georgesaul8801]

Nice vid - thank you. I’m less impressed w LTV the more intro videos I see. Let me clarify - less impressed w the customer service/prep. Too many of your questions were answered w uhm I think so, yeah ... Didn’t even know what grade fuel? Not well prepared. There should have been a break between exterior and interior. They just seem to be in a hurry to move you on. There should be a complete underneath orientation. Just not the caliber orientation I would expect on a $100K expenditure. Boo LTV.

[@georgesaul8801]

This should have been linked to the Walkthrough video.

[@Lt184]

Thank you for your video, first off let me say the wife and I are newly subscribed and look forward to your other videos you refer to within this one. We two are trying to break into the world of LTV/ RVs ourselves, and like you sir we fell in love w/the LTV brand, and by the videos we have chosen the LTV/ RTB model as well even though its a sight unseen thing for us as all shows and such are cancelled and finding any dealership with one even a older one on lot to walk through for us has been thus far impossible. Can’t wait to hear more on your experience with possibly your process of getting yours and your con’s of said manufacture / model as well. Again thanks and safe travels and hope you and yours enjoy your new RV, ~Semper Fi~

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Thanks for the sub and the feedback! Let me know if there is anything specific you want me to cover in an upcoming video. Hope to see you out on the road! -Eddie

[@czealtamahawk1228]

Have you taken this van and live on it in an extreme weather? How did it performed? Or you sold it coz it's over-rated worthless junk?

[@EddieAndWebby]

We did not take it in any extreme weather....besides close to 100 degrees down here in Florida. It performed very well...once the radiator hose was connected properly. We did sell it...BUT, only because we wanted to upgrade to a Class A. We have owned over 8 RVs, and Leisure Travel is BY FAR the most well made of all the brands we have owned.

[@exodor1]

Funny how you complain that LTV delivered you a 2020 when you ordered a 2021, but then you make this video with, what, 2020 or even 2019 pricing? C’mon bro.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Hi Trent - I am not following your comment here and looking to understand more? Are you saying that I should just be happy with the situation because the pricing I got is better than it is now in 2021? If so, notice when I made the video because it was a year ago. And even so, are you saying that I shouldn’t bring up that the wrong RV came in rather than what was ordered? I’m not coming at you, seeking to understand the comment. -Eddie

[@exodor1]

@@TheScenicExplorer when you look at the prices of a 2021, they are higher than what is shown in this video. Now, I don’t know if that’s LTV trying to gouge or take advantage of the popularity of RVs since the pandemic or if it was an older year’s pricing. That’s all I was trying to convey.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

What prices are shown in this video? And the price of the 2021 and 2020 would have been the same at the end of the day. Any again, this video was made a year ago so if prices have increased, the increase would have happened after the video was made and posted. Still really confused as to what you are taking about, but I respect you and your opinion of the situation.

[@exodor1]

@@TheScenicExplorer 1:32 in.

[@robgrune3284]

So you bought a Wonder? No Wonder you had chassis-related problems. Why anybody would buy anything with a Ford label is a Wonder to me. Given the loads and demands, the eco-bust engine will not last 100k miles, and I Wonder how many other problems you will have. Other brands like Dometic are also no Wonder they give problems. Made in USA is guaranteed not to last - no Wonder about that. The USA dealer tried to sell you hamburger? No wonder about that, either.

[@chrisc1661]

Not true. Leisure travel customer service is horrible penny pinchers.

[@TheScenicExplorer]

Sounds like you might have had a poor experience Jeff. Want to share your story? -Eddie

[@kevinbook]

Another one fall victim to the best salesman in the business, ever! Warning, people, watch Dean’s video at your own risk!

[@wlee7381]

Lame excuses to like your RV considering the issues you had.