Why I don't use a regular keyboard anymore...

[@awiggan1]

I think something to also remind people is ergonomic keyboards are not the whole story. How you sit, your desk and chair height and layout, as well as how often you move greatly affect rsi’s. An ergo keyboard is not going to stop you from hunching forwards if your screen is too far from you.

[@janmagtoast]

The way I see it, ppl who like ergo keyboards do it for comfort and fun. Nobody ever said it's gonna fix your whole posture. Also ergonomics aren't everything, getting up, doing stretches, ect is far more important than sitting perfectly straight with a perfect setup.

[@BenVallack]

Love it! Look forward to seeing more from you!

[@Patrickblox]

fancy seeing you here Mr. Beanbag Moonlander 😂

[@BenVallack]

@@Patrickblox Hehe!

[@lilymohsye]

Imagine if you learned steno!

[@alextremodelnorte1905]

Hello, what's a steno?

[@TheSpacePlaceYT]

@@alextremodelnorte1905 Stenography; the first result on Google.

[@octavioooo]

​@alextremodelnorte1905 it's short for stenography. Using chords to type, essentially.

[@mrsarcasm4874]

If you're a gamer, you could try a custom keymap specifically for gaming, and use fn as a toggle. I think that's a no compromise solution

[@matthewwong799]

I have one on my 40% ortholinear, it's amazing tbh, kinda like a dedicated game pad.

[@Cyromantik]

Ortholinear is great for WASD too, or the Colmak, Dvorak or Workman equivalent.

[@haifutter4166]

And for learning touch typing, I recommend some 7h course that's based on mnemonics. Thats all you need to memorize a new layout like Querty, Colemak, Neo2 ... You won't believe it, till you visited such course (at least I couldn't believe it, that it's that easy with these methods) And if you want ergonomics but no much hassle, just use a split layout that solves the ulnary disposition. MS, Logitech and others offer such ergo keyboards. Column stagger and a non-querty keybind is nice, but it depends on your personal preferences, if you really need it.

[@mnurrreza]

@@haifutter4166 can you link it?

[@haifutter4166]

@@mnurrreza What? Keyboards or touch typing courses? Since I doubt you live in the same area like me, giving you the name of the adult education center wouldn't be of use for you. Just search for touch typing courses in your local area or online, that claim to teach it in the matter of hours by using mnemonics. Be a bit careful with buying online.

[@Anula993]

querty/non-querty debate becomes much less important when you type in multiple languages. I am pretty sure it is quite awful for Polish. Using a smaller, split keyboard on the other hand, that doesn't strain your pinky so much and allows to keep a proper posture while typing is a definite game changer.

[@Kasiarzynka]

That's what I was thinking too. I type in English, German and Polish on regular basis, and I know that while Colmak etc. are designed for English specifically (where e.g. the most common letter by far is E), German has its own layout that puts the most used letters in the home row (E and N being the most frequently used). As each language has its own frequency for each letter, e.g. in Polish the most frequent one is A, I can imagine other languages have their own layouts, too. Meaning I'd have to learn three new layouts, one for each language...

[@WeiFinder]

@@Kasiarzynka The question is more: which languages do you type the most in. Then, all you have to do is look at the heatmaps for those languages for Colmak, Qwerty, etc and determine which one suits you The problem, is that Qwerty, at least to my knowledge, isn't fully optimized for *any* language

[@flmworks]

As software engineer who wrote code a lot, the default layout force my hands to travel a lot especially for reaching directional arrow keys, it also make me bend my wrist often, or make me move entire arm and elbows Used keyboard mapping software like karabiner to have vim like hjkl key as directional arrow alternative, to reduce palm and wrist movement, tp keep my hands stay in it place but it is limited Writing code requires us to utilise special character like =>

[@manny_f]

QWERTY vs others really depends on the language you mostly type in, or if you type multiple languages, it's possible no particular layout is optimal.

[@user-ft2md2gd4s]

Great choices. For even more ergonomics you can think about using legs. By changing the tilt of the keyboard you can ease the strain on your forearms. I started collecting parts to build a Corne.

[@ano_nym]

I thought you actually meant his legs. Like with foot switches(actually is a thing, especially famous for Emacs). I could honestly be a thing for it though. Like you could have raise and lower there to not have to move there.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

For the gamers out there, with the way these things work, you can just make your own 5x5, 5x6, 5x7 or whatever x whatever gamepad. Ortholinear or column stagger is what I recommend since WASD feels a little goofy due to the row stagger. Additionally, when searching for alt-layouts, you actually DON'T have to worry about shortcut keys being moved as much as you might think, you can simply make the layer when you press CTRL revert partially or fully back to QWERTY for the time that you hold CTRL, that way all the shortcut keys are in their correct place.

[@Cyromantik]

I am a gamer, but for ergonomics have moved onto a split mechanical. I feel that 65% is a nice compromise between having plenty of single-layer keys for quick reactions or programmable macros and smaller size so that I can easily rotate and reposition each half of the keyboard.

[@philjerkins1593]

Awesome video. Don’t let the naysayers get to you. This community needs more content like this to advocate for our hobby and explain its benefits. I realized a few weeks ago that we have dozens of KZbin videos on how to build an Iris, a Corne, or an ErgoDox...but a paltry few on WHY someone would want to do that. And it’s so much more than choosing the perfect switches. Thanks for being one more voice promoting and explaining why ergonomic keyboards are so helpful.

[@brycecolton6515]

@Cole Harvey definitely, I have been watching on InstaFlixxer for months myself =)

[@MyAeroMove]

Very well structured. Please continue the series!

[@aqwek]

I would try this but I'm already stuck in the stenography rabbit hole

[@lasseadriansen8029]

Honestly, I would be totally down to make all these changes. My only gripe with the ergo-keyboard market place is that there aren't a lot of options for bluetooth users. You can usually get something that is ortho but not split or split but still staggered (and often very bulky) but never something that is both and also a slim design. Like if I could find basically what you are using in this video but with Bluetooth capabilities I would be set. The hunt goes on.

[@nils266]

Many are sold with a microcontroller that is called the Pro Micro. Someone developed an alternative controller with bluetooth capabilities, that could even connect the two halves (you need one for each). Look up the nice!nano (sold out right now, but still) and keyboards like the corne Lily58 or kyria.

[@fluffypinkpandas]

I feel like installing encoders helps with adding a wheel for mod functions on one board and a wheel for profiles on another. This way you can cycle between gaming layouts, qwerty layouts, workman layouts, and other non qwerties, and still be able to switch between each ones mod layers. And even if ur not a big RGB guy. I feel like there is a way to color code what mod and layer are active at a glance.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Wheels aren't good for discreet selection from a limited set. On a key you can remember that 3 taps get you into some particular profile and use automatic muscle memory, but a wheel has to be used consciously every time. Wheels work fine when they adjust something where there are lots of equal choices, like volume or scroll. To adjust one parameter smoothly, not when each click completely changes everything. Though I guess you could hack in a fixed 5 selector hardware switch, or however many profiles you need. Still, keys will be faster and more reliable

[@jon1867]

I like my dygma raise. Its a staggered, qwerty split keyboard with hot swappable switches and programmable functionality. The split makes a huge difference.

[@ShawnFumo]

Yeah, I feel like that kind of keyboard is important. The split is optional and really good for ergonomics. I believe they just added a tenting option, which is also pretty important. Can play around with layers and other modern firmware functionality. The UHK v2 (ultimate hacking keyboard) is in a similar vein. It also has the option to add thumb clusters that contain different pointer functionality (trackpoint, touchpad, or trackball), but they're currently trying to catch up on initial orders, so it'd be a while to get one for people ordering one now.

[@NuclearSpinach]

Thank you for justifying the smaller size! I have RSI and I'm looking into different solutions. I couldn't understand why people were getting micro keyboards, but -- duh -- less reach! Also thank you for posting so many different brand names. On general Google searches it's hard to find anything beyond ErgoDox, Kinesis, etc. I'm *very* interested in this layer/keymap idea!

[@valethemajor]

I guess as a natural solution I tend to type with my wrists angled on the QWERTY keyboard. I've never done the home rest - my left hand floats around WASD and my right is angled such that it almost rests on MKL. I've subsequently never had wrist pain. I can type around 120 WPM this way without much effort. When I started typing at the home row to learn Colemak two days ago, I finally experienced the wrist/finger pain everyone keeps talking about. Albeit, after a boatload of practice and I can definitely see the benefits of Colemak, provided I can actually catch up. I will say, QWERTY is annoying as a programmer for sure... all the special symbols we use regularly are off-momentum to reach. I'm excited to get good enough at colemak that I can justify getting an Ergodox, and hopefully that shape will help me code with less nuisance.

[@clarionclear5771]

Im excitedly awaiting a custom keyboard like yours I've commissioned. As someone who has suffered multiple RSI's from all kinds of activities it blows my mind how we haven't actually improved on the keyboard much. I've seen many physical therapists and this kind of setup/method just makes sense. I'm learning Colemak DH and it feels like I barely move my hands compared to qwerty. Do what is best for you and what makes you happy.

[@Alex-yl8dz]

I have a Ferris Half Swept in the post and I can't wait to get into the split keeb scene. I recon I'm gonna keep using QWERTY for the time being, as attempting to switch to DVORAK was miserable for me.

[@_droid]

I've been using ergonomic split keyboards since the mid-90's but never took the jump to alternate layouts. The thing is, 99% of my typing is code and coding tends to run in bursts rather than long continuous typing sessions so I'm not convinced even my own ergo keyboards have really been all that useful. What really gets my hands is the damn mouse. Long CAD or modelling sessions can really screw up your hands. I occasionally switch between right and left hand mouse to prevent damage to my hands.

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

I'm investing my time in learning 24key layout (no middle column or thumb keys, just 12 ortho keys per side and lots of combos). My main reason is that I want to type on my keyboard no matter where I go. It's so freaking cool to administer a server from your phone in a coffee shop with basically 80% of comfort of your main pc. Lots of devices nowadays have screens and bluetooth, having your small keyboard work with any device is very useful. I don't even want to buy a laptop with builtin keyboard anymore, just a tablet is enough. Two 12 key halves can be connected and form a big 24 macro pad for more comfortable gaming or other apps, it all boils down to learning all these crazy combos and layers.

[@Malysitos]

Watching this video is so cathartic and fuels my hatred towards society’s decision to keep the design of a standard keyboard. Like, seriously, why the heck did we keep the horizontal keyboard stagger from the typewriter? The designer of the modern-day keyboard literally kept a design compromise that has now become an ergonomic flaw and gives people carpal tunnel. I could go on and on, but the stupid keyboard stagger is my biggest gripe with the traditional keyboard design. It’s uncomfortable, not ergonomic, can permanently damage your wrist for life, solves a non-existent problem, and provides a steep learning curve for would-be typists

[@pastelsofneptune]

Most people have taken the standard staggered layout of keyboards today for granted, and it would probably take a couple of large tech companies like Microsoft to release ergonomic (and better yet, affordable) keyboards with columnar stagger to have them be "officially" adopted without being perceived as taboo or just straight up bizarre. Similarly with how newer phones have lost their headphone jacks even though it was considered such a dumb change when it began to crop up in phones- but hey, now that's the norm! There are some popular ergonomic keyboards out there on Amazon, but unfortunately all of them still feature the dreaded stagger. I've only found the Kinesis Advantage2 (on Amazon) to not be staggered, though its $360 price tag and bulky nature is not very inviting for newcomers to the ergonomic keyboard scene. Plus, I don't think mechanical ergonomic keyboards are beginner friendly- you have to learn about keycaps, switches, keyboard PCBs, QMK, etc. if you plan on building one, and if you just want to buy something that's prebuilt or assembled by someone else, you're going to have to seek out those niche markets. It's pretty easy to find prebuilt boards like the Ergodox EZ and Moonlander by simply searching "ergonomic split keyboard", but similarly with the Kinesis Advantage2, they have their steep price points.

[@xinfinity4756]

Need all the keys, the row stagger is not that big of an issue, and i've just gotten used to reaching further for things like numbers and what not. The main issue for me is coding, but at the moment there is effectively 0 incentive for me to switch because of that, as the 100% qwerty keyboard I use works perfectly fine for what I am capable of at the moment. There is basically no incentive to switch for most people, because what we have now gets the job done. If it isn't broken why fix it, people who want to use other keyboards can, and people who use normal/common keyboards can continue to do so.

[@crooker2]

@@pastelsofneptune I think that hits the nail on the head. If a big name was to back a move towards ergonomics (in a mass way) like Google, Microsoft or Apple, a LOT of people would see the benefits. I believe it would be akin of the move from SD to HD video. It would only take a few years, especially if it was backed by companies as a push toward ergonomics of their employees. Seriously, this revolution wouldn't be hard to start... It just requires some influencial companies on board. But qwerty is too easy. For most people... It's 'fine'. I would move to something like Colemak tomorrow if I knew that I wouldn't have to constantly move back and forth... Which I think would be a much bigger pain.

[@crooker2]

@@xinfinity4756 and that's why it will never change. As I said above... It will require education as to the performance and health benefits... As well as a backing by major companies and corporate IT/HR departments to seriously make a move out of the dark ages. And the benefits probably don't outweigh the economic cost of doing this on a large scale.

[@teuluPaul]

Ironically, the first "home computer" keyboard I came across at school in 1981 was a Commodore Pet, and it had an ortholinear keyboard (with a qwerty layout). The second one the school bought had a standard qwerty keyboard! Missed opportunity!

[@gordian99]

Thanks. Hope you do a Dactyl/Manuform evaluation some time.

[@KentHambrock]

ColemakDH on a Corne. Taking forever to learn, but I fecking love it.

[@baitboy3191]

I just got an ortho linear keyboard, it is taking a bit to learn but I can already see a benefit compared to the traditional

[@MarkusBurrer]

I have a redox keyboard. But most of the time I use the 30% layout. The surrounding keys are more for convenience. I don't use one of the common layouts like Workman, because I'm from Germany and need to deal with äöüß. I'm still slow, but speed is not why I changed to this setting

[@feelzonwheelz115]

I would LOVE if you would do a video on how to get into ergo keyboards. I'm not a "maker" so resources would be really really really helpful

[@orcofnbu]

i once tried to switch from qwerty to my local layout. it took me 2 weeks to match my qwerty speed. but i didn't worked for it. i just used it for my daily work. but my local layout is not good for programming so i went back to qwerty again. weird thing is i can easily switch to my local layout if i try it for 10 min. it is like riding bicycle. but now i thing i can create my own layout for programming.

[@Mandydeth]

I do a lot of gaming in my leisure time, so I have a Preonic and a Helix so I don't have to compromise. I use a Planck for work since it's easier to carry one solid board around instead of 2 halfs and a trss.

[@winterNebs]

Yup, it can be a little annoying to carry two pieces. Once I get my ferris, I will work on a fully wireless split build.

[@owobooperlv7673]

@@winterNebs ooo, please update on that. Have been looking for some wireless split documentations but as far as I know, the only ones around are the bluemicro and ZMK. ZMK in particular seems good, even has wired mode built in - check it out! (zmkfirmware.dev/docs/) Tried out imagining the arduino code myself too, but it'd be quite difficult since I'd have to use Software Serial or a variant of that to send the data to the computer. (Right Side has one bluetooth module, sending to the Left/Master Side via Serial, Left Side has one bluetooth module for receiving the data from the Right, and another one to send the data both from the right and from the left to the host via Bluetooth HID) Most other split bluetooth keyboards I've seen use some very advanced and not very easy to understand code that are very product specific (can't remember the name) This was my initial goal for a first keyboard, but I quickly gave up because of the lack of documentation and the fact that I'd be diving WAY too head first not only in Arduino but in handwiring a keyboard.

[@winterNebs]

@@owobooperlv7673 zmk and nice nanos is the plan for now. Probably won’t be any time soon though.

[@xeoknight845]

Went from Razer Blackwidow Elite to Preonic. Currently looking at Dactyls and how difficult it is for a complete novice to scratch build/hand wire one. Maybe in a month or two I'll start this project

[@nickgoogle4525]

This is one of the best video's I watched on YT. Why? Because it is well structured, absolutely to the point and gives a lot of information, without wasting any time of the viewer! Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! 🙂

[@justanotherpxrson]

I want to at least try a split board for starters, but i dont think i want to learn something that isnt qwerty. also want to try ortho and split ortho but im hella broke.

[@ThalassTKynn]

I just realised that there's a spectrum between qwerty and stenograph, I suppose morse paddles are even more extreme lol

[@uoweme5grand]

The wrist angle I can deal with. When I use the plank I wouldn't actually bend my wrist. It's the shoulder strain that kills me. I have since switched to a moonlander and my shoulder thanks me for it.

[@gothamdoes835]

Excellent video! You out-did my version IMO. This is quick, accurate and informative. Subscribed.

[@nebursp5]

QWERTY 5x6 Dactyl Manuform Tightyl here. I enjoy the video.

[@Hexalyse]

Switching to a new layout (namely Colemak-DH) was such a comfort gain for me, besides the split keyboard. You should try it. It's annoying for 3-4 months, then you're back to normal-productivity speed.

[@rockereivanivan]

I never seem to find a video on how to make layers on a normal keyboard, I mean, yes I've found colemaks big bag of tricks for xtend keyboard, but english isn't my mother language and I don't know anything about coding so having a video explaining how to add layers to a keyboard would be extremely helpful

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

Your keyboard has to be 'fully programmable' if it is not the most thing you can do is to map your ctrl to caps lock or some easy tweaks like that. You can't turn any keyboard to fully programmable one.

[@sabbath9503]

You can use software like KMonad or Karabiner Elements.

[@LazerBlade-yp1lf]

I use a one-handed keyboard for games. Ironically, I thought about getting a split keyboard because it would be similar to my one-handed keyboard for games lol. Now I will be able to type normally without needing to reach for another keyboard.

[@cyanophage4351]

I've been learning and using a non qwerty layout since the middle of last year. Ergonomically it's great and I can feel the benefits and reduced strain. But I am nowhere near my qwerty speeds on a standard keyboard.

[@user-ft2md2gd4s]

I found useful to just practice every day. Not just using the keyboard but taking 30 minutes per day just to write random stuff like if I was in a typing course. The next day you wake up and your muscle memory have improved like magic.

[@rohanofelvenpower5566]

​@@user-ft2md2gd4s30min is a lot

[@hellNo116]

i want to add something. for me the biggest proof that you want lose your muscle memory is that i write in 2 languages english and greek and they have different layouts and sometimes i write greek with the english layout and i have no problem with remembering the different positions that many letters end up having.

[@owenfield818]

What is the workman keyboard used around 1:30 on the righthand side of the screen?

[@tempest_dawn]

started with a 60% programmable solely for being able to write firmware mods, but i've since moved to a 40% ortho because it's tiny and cute - it is rather interesting coming across people who came at this more from an ergonomics standpoint, as that wasn't a goal of mine but it's a much smaller change if i ever wanted to try it

[@geoptus]

This is awesome - now I understand why Foostan put 'snap slots' on the outer column of the corne pcb - I think I'm gonna have to get another kit and try this!! Thanks for the heads-up on the workman layout - not heard of that one before, will have to check it out 👍

[@pierogipete3527]

Currently learning Workman (day 2) on a Moonlander after 20-some odd years four-finger typing on QWERTY. It's definitely tricky, but I can tell it'll be worth the effort for the efficiency gains.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Workman is an absolete layout and shouldn't be learned by new typers. It has well known faults and mistakes in its design that cap many people's typing speeds and can make it even harder than even qwerty once they get around 60 wpm. It was designed to be better than Colemak but even old default non-modded Colemak doesn't have its flaws and typically allows people to type much faster

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

60% split is still decent for gaming, so there's that option

[@misc.2331]

Curious why you say competitive gaming isn't viable on this type of keyboard? This is actually my main motivation for researching these types of keyboards. I am in the process of making the switch from controller to mnk and am really not loving the standard non-split keyboard. I'm trying to find a minimal ergonomic keypad I can use layers on for gaming. Would love to see a dedicated video of how you set up your keypad for gaming with some tips.

[@NJ-wb1cz]

Direct muscle memory is faster than layering. Try actually measuring your best responses and compare reaction times to competitive gamers

[@bassic6959]

Where can I buy one of these/get the parts

[@Disorrder]

I have 16 layers on my Piantor keyboard. For gaming, I use 2 of them. I don't type texts while playing usually, byt when I do, I just switch to my first basic layer

[@unzkipriime4283]

currently at the stage where i want a planck

[@alexmiller7879]

30% life. Moved to the minidox about 3 months ago for work. and I won't be moving back. For my gaming computer, I use a hotdox, so it's more like a 60% But it's so that I have the number row. But I am thinking about going to the minidox for gaming too. I just need to play around with the layers before I get there.

[@itzlizzy755]

WHY I USE REGULAR KEYBOARDS:I actually put my hand diagonal if I type and if i'm playing something i put my keyboard diagonal my left hand to the WDSA and my right hand to the mouse. it feels way better- My back used to be sore because I used to type how you did when i was 6-8

[@SyrupSplash]

As someone who uses dvorak (~140wpm), I measure like 30-40wpm on qwerty. I've got no muscle memory for it in me at this point.

[@turbomeows]

I really like the novelty of small keyboards and alternate layouts, but the ergo benefits definitely outweigh that by a ton. I have a preonic right now and I'm still using qwerty to get used the the ortho layout but I also plan on getting a planck or a split 40% in the future and swapping to a different layout when I swap boards.

[@CristopherYusuke]

I’m very happy with my 65%ish split column staggered keyboard with home row mods , I have a bunch of keys that I’m not using or is hard to reach but it’s basically a non compromise from a standard keeb size and I can appreciate have a dedicated arrow keys.

[@mayank_upadhyay_19]

I am looking into split keyboards only because my shoulders and wrist pain because of a unified keyboard

[@anonymoose3423]

A telegraph machine is an ergonomic 1%-layout keyboard

[@immalogg]

Nice man, thats pretty interesting. Personally I don't think I could ever sacrifice for low profile switches because from what I've seen there isn't much in the silent sector of low profile switches sadly

[@paulanwr1]

I've been using an ergodox-ez with a workman derived layout for a couple years now. I am typing this on it. I love it. I think your keyboard looks cool but I would need at least one more row on the outside of each keyboard half before I would even try and set the layers up.

[@sumnerd69]

thank you but I'm gonna ignore your suggestion about not switching everything right away.

[@algj]

I got my low profile, split, ortholinear, tented, wireless (no wires at all, battery is very good), very portable since it's very slim keyboard. Guess the price? It's only 25$ in total. I brought two numpads (Deltaco TB-125) and wrote my own drivers.

[@muuubiee]

just need a mouse/stick on that thing too, so you don't have to reach for the mouse.

[@scottwillis5434]

Historical note on QWERTY: as typists got faster, the early mechanical typewriters would jam. They 'solved' this issue by switching to the QWERTY keyboard layout, deliberately designed to slow down typists. Consider the wasted person-centuries of typing on deliberately slow keyboards. Why is it still used, in this era of electronic keyboards and multi-GHz multi-core processors? QWERTY became the legacy installed base: * it's the (legacy) equipment available, so * it's the layout typists are trained on, so * typists are used to it; change takes effort and is uncomfortable so most don't want to change, so * it's ordered by default (tell the office assistant to get a keyboard or laptop without specifying: you'll get a QWERTY), so * it's what sells, so * it's what's manufactured, so * back to the first point, and around the rut we go...

[@jimmyveils]

Seems like Dvorak was intentionally not recommended as an alternative. No explanation despite it being the one alternative most people can name. Why the exclusion? Was planning on making it my next goal after relearning how to type (correctly) on my Kinesis Advantage 2 with Dvorak secondary legends to the primary Qwerty legends. Great, informative, motivating video by the way.

[@sabbath9503]

It's a very outdated layout, and quite frankly there are just better alternatives out there. It's still miles more efficient than QWERTY, but if you're going to dedicate all that time and effort to learning an alternate keyboard layout, you might as well choose something better.

[@Goooogle]

@@sabbath9503 What are better options?

[@fetB]

0:18 id say it more because you dont have to bottom out to trigger the switch, which makes for a better experience; typing or gaming. Customization is rather niche end of it

[@LadyTink]

I use an ortholinear layout custom made based on the most common letters in english. I call it CNAEY The layout is like this ,LSFPBWHU. CNAEYGTIOM ;XQRVKDJZ/ The most common letters focus around the easiest keys to reach and focus on the easiest fingers to use quickly

[@winterNebs]

Interesting, how did you come up with that layout? Did you use an optimizer? I put your layout into my fork of keygen and noticed that it performs worse than qwerty. Just putting the most frequent letters closest to your fingers is not enough when it comes to alpha layouts, since you must take into consideration rolling actions.

[@lophtix7529]

I'd really recommend looking into Colemak, it does the things your layout tries to do but just much better. A quite big downside with CNAEY is that you have to use the same finger twice in a row for a lot of the common letter combinations (Same finger bigrams). The most common ones which occur on that layout in the english language are the ER/RE and UE combination which you've probably already noticed.

[@Ricardoromero4444]

I just want a gergoplex with a trackpoint.

[@bangs_edit]

Great video! Do you know if I could buy a keyboard like that but without having to build it?

[@winterNebs]

Yup, the gergoplex in the video can be purchased prebuilt

[@CristianHeredia0]

how do you assign Tab and Lower on the same key? I'm only seeing an option to switch to layer while held.

[@bluemango3159]

Did you try Dactyl Manuform? wanna see how it compares against these alternatives

[@marcoliverasgonzalez6586]

Hey nice video, is the editor on 3:06 vim?Coul you share the .rc config filee!? It’s super cool that look.

[@AP-qb2xn]

Where do I buy/how do I build your keyboard?

[@RodrigoGiraudo]

I was looking for a 30% split! Can you tell the name of that keyboard? Link to store o github repo? Thanks!!!

[@Lo-bp3zn]

He was using a Gergoplex, gboards.ca

[@sanketss84]

how does your gergoplex not wobble , do you have some kind of cushioning on the bottom ?? are there more such awesome split ortholinear keyboards apart from gergoplex and ergodox, moonlander which can be checked ? I liked the low profile of the gergoplex

[@brianvillarreal-ortega2467]

So I never really learned how to type correctly. Never really needed to. But I want to change that. Do you think it'd be a good idea to just forgo the qwerty set up and just straight up learn workman or coleman?

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

No. Bad idea. Stick to qwerty and learn to touch type at 80-100wpm. If in the future you would want to learn colemak it will take you less time than the initial touch typing learning. Qwerty is essential and should remain in your muscle memory, so even if you switch to colemak, qwerty is not wasted, you will keep it active with ~1h weekly practice.

[@alejandroelara]

Where can I get the parts to build it or buy one

[@TheSilent006]

What does your symbol layer look like? Im making one for my corne

[@Paelorian]

What's the achievable words per minute and the learning curve? Wouldn't it be better for writing to use a keyboard designed for stenographic typing? Either a stenography machine (relatively expensive) or a keyboard designed for stenotyping, which often look just like the split keyboards you are demonstrating. Sometimes they have longer keys, sometimes not. Stenographic typing definitely has a higher speed potential. But it's also harder to learn, since chords have to be learned. And there are a few limitations with stenography where it's not much faster than a regular keyboard, because one is entering many non-chorded words. However, those are few and users can set their own chords and shortcuts, to return to a faster stenographic speed. Which also allows it to he speedily used for coding. So if you're going to bother to learn all about this, why not just buy a nice little stenographic split keyboard and use that? Is it much faster to learn these keyboards than a stenographic keyboard? That's what I imagine. In written stenography (shorthand) terms, these are more like Forkner (maybe Teeline is a more apt example) rather than Gregg and Pitman: faster to learn, but lower speed potential. You spend less time learning, but the speed ceiling is much lower. If you were going to continue to learn, you'd eventually be much faster with an advanced stenographic system. But most people don't consider it worth their time to master the more complex and advanced stenographic systems with the highest speed potential. Unless it's going to be used frequently and professionally.

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

It takes many months to learn steno. You can't hold space or other mods in steno. Dedicated steno keyboard serves one purpose - entering text, you can't play games with it. Plover based keyboards require software, which can be buggy, require installation and Plover may be abondoned at some point, it's already not actively developed. If qmk/zmk will make steno a native feature, then maybe it would make sense to learn it, as a layer for text entry, but as of now I don't think that it's worth it.

[@dennis4697]

can you tell me where i might find a tkl that is ortho linear with each key programable

[@attiqrehman885]

Sir how we buy it means i am from pakistan ...and there is no keyboard like this

[@DanielASchaeffer]

Why did you move from kyria to gergoplex? Why did you choose Workman over Dvorak?

[@DroidCrossFire]

Hands are still in slanted position while using it. Lol. Unless you place the right part of it at the mouse area you'll still be slanting your hands.

[@winterNebs]

I mean did you watch the video? You can clearly see that my hand is not slanted

[@milosstevanovic2953]

I personally don't see a benefit of a Split and Non-Staggered over regular keyboards, when you can achieve the same level or ergonomics with for example, ordinary staggered HHKB. All you need to do is switch to Colemak mod DH Angle Wide layout (ISO or ANSI does not really matter): colemakmods.github.io/mod-dh/keyboards.html This way your hands become perfectly balanced and wide angled just like any other split keyboard. As a matter of fact with split keyboards you even loose on speed because you cannot type keys in the middle with both hands exchangeably , plus you loose compactness and versatility of regular 40-60% keyboards.

[@winterNebs]

Unfortunately I'm going to have to disagree with almost everything you've said. Split keyboards are not just about the angles. If you see in the video, both halves of my keyboard are much farther apart than would be physically possible on any regular board. While using angle mod can aliviate can aliviate a bit of your wrist angle, your arms are still angled inward, compared to a split board where you can be perpendicular. Likewise the widemod gives a laughable 1-2u of "split" whereas the acutal distance between the halves of my keybaord would be more like 15u. You just can't compare. Your claim about losing speed is just false. Most people do not use multiple fingers to type the same keys. Speed is one of those things that people love to bring up, but the part that they miss is that speed is based purely on your typing skill, and has little to do with your layout or equipment. Even then nothing can compare with the speed of stenography anways so there's literally no point to mention it.

[@TrueMathSquare]

I use the workman layout as well.

[@weebemo1144]

Workman is berry cool

[@TheRealisticNihilist]

I want that fucking keyboard, yo.

[@strakhov]

You've inspired me to switch to ergonomic keyboard 😍 My life will never be the same

[@JackPillawa]

what was the website at 3:53 ?

[@winterNebs]

Gboards.ca

[@JackPillawa]

@@winterNebs thanks, that was fast

[@DanelonNicolas]

corne qwerty here, cool video bro. thanks, I will share it with my colleagues 😎👍🏻

[@alexjune6414]

How much was this keyboard? Looking into making my own and honestly my hands would like the change.

[@ВиталикВиршин]

when this piano I can buy?

[@RodrigoRodriguez-wl9vl]

What is the name of that webpage? At minute 3:50

[@jantube358]

I am using the Sharkoon TypeWriter with low profile switches because low profile switches are WAY more comfortable for me. Interesting video. What about other languages than English? Colemak and Workman are not automatically suitable for every language right? What about language specific letters and accents?

[@oredaze]

I have been looking at hillside 48 recently. I think it should be the best amount of keys for me, at least in theory. Anything less than 48 seems to overload my memory too much. I don't know how you people do 30 something.

[@123chupachups]

Is it possible to build a custom keyboard with chiclet/scissor switches instead of the mechanical ones? Seems like only the mechanical are being sold??

[@silitekmodder5681]

Kailh X switches

[@cyberc0l0mbiana]

Love it! 🔥 Waiting for my Ultimate Hacking Keyboard v2 to arrive (sticking with staggered for now).

[@jtklamgaming690]

you forgot column stagger

[@Zeioth]

Oh shit, we use the same keyboard, and workman too haha. I'm just about 70wpm yet tough.

[@owobooperlv7673]

As someone who uses a tkl and plans to migrate to a 55% ish split, how can you survive with so little layers and so few keys?

[@winterNebs]

Your first goal should be to figure out your priorities: How often do you use each key? Alphas (and numbers since it is a 55%) and mods are probably a given, so figure out what else you use frequently. (Probably tab, esc, backspace, enter, maybe even arrow keys). The rest you can put on a layer, I like to divide them into two categories: Symbols and Navigation. On a 55% you probably won't have room for things like []{}-=, so those will need to go on your symbols layer, you can check out my symbols layer on my github github.com/winterNebs/qmk_firmware/blob/winternebsg/keyboards/gboards/k/gergoplex/keymaps/winternebs/keymap.c If you want something more basic, the default planck keymap is also a great place to start as well. The best part of these keyboards is that they are fully customizable, so if you start with something and find an aspect frustrating, you can always find ways to fix it.

[@namelastname7626]

what keyboard brand is this

[@SoraAkiraMusic]

I learned to type on Dvorak, and I have a keybind to switch to QWERTY to use dumber apps. Is it worth learning Workman or Colemak-DH?

[@sweetypuss]

im pretty sure chyrosran would look at this and punch you LOL