Why I Don't Use Gore-Tex Footwear

[@HomemadeWanderlust]

*2023 Update To This Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2rMY5yohZeAgas

[@mojaslovenija9903]

I am with Goretex + wool combo for the past 40 years. My average hiking year is about 200 days a year (working as a geographer), mostly off the beaten tracks. In the summertime, the morning grass, even the forecast is dry weather is always wet and I can't imagine starting my hike with the wet soaked boots. When my plan is to cross the brooks then I have the additional amphibia neoprene boots but in most cases the Goretex boots are fine. For the muddy and high grass terrain, I use the Aigle Vario Neoprene boots, which are warming my feet even walking in deep freezing water.

[@Mister.Meeseeks]

U have my dreamjob!

[@mojaslovenija9903]

@@Mister.Meeseeks Well,... the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. It is a hard work, I am getting older and it is not fun carrying 25 kg backpack almost on a daily basis. But I enjoy my work knowing that geographic locations which were hard to access were documented and are available with virtual reality for people with limited mobility.

[@Mister.Meeseeks]

@@mojaslovenija9903 When ur stuck in a office as city official, u crave for physical jobs and be outdoors, and avoid most ppl.

[@mojaslovenija9903]

Just a hint regarding virtual reality and why I am so much with the fieldwork. Everybody is familiar with Skype butless people know its origin from Estonia, similar is with Google Street View... the idea predestor, City View (my idea and project) is from small EU country Slovenia, starting in 1993, and since then I am documenting extreme locations, not to make bussines but to help people with limized mobility to experience geographic locations (typing this from 1800 m altitude from snowy Alps)

[@dasun4239]

So u work as a geographer for Google street view? Wow.

[@kurtisf3366]

In 15 years of backpacking I have had wet feet only once with my gortex boots. The key is to wear gortex gaiters, and in a rain storm wear rain pants OVER the gaiters so the water runs from pants onto gaiters onto boots and never flows under any of the layers. The photo of rain pants and gaiters in the video has them layered wrong and is exactly how I got wet feet the one time I did. Your tread will always wear out before the gortex lining if you take care of your footwear properly and clean them up before storage. Here in the Canadian Rockies it doesn’t get hot enough during the day to dry out wet gear, and temps can drop 25 degrees during a storm, dumping snow on you in July. If you don’t stay dry then hypothermia is a real risk.

[@steves7271]

Excellent advice. I always chuckle when I see people with waterproof trousers tucked into their wellies! It's the same concept, water should run down and off. Unless of course the rain is sideways or bouncing so hard off the ground it goes back up you leg! 😂

[@myoung1970s]

How about when u need to cross a river? Do you remove your shoes?

[@coconut6468]

Okay, so explain this, why do you need GTX boots? The gaiters are the answer , right?

[@brimstone33]

Yeah but then you are hiking in rain pants...which brings its own flavor of 'suck'. I think a lot of folks here don't get the long distance trail hiking thing, which is walking walking walking big miles every day regardless of the weather. Different than doing other things outside, going for a day hike or weekend backpacking or whatever. It's like working out in the gym ten hours a day straight for a week but out in the weather the whole time. A lot of folks are not going to want to work out in rain pants for ten hours straight...regardless of the temperature outside.

[@jdmmi]

@icecool1616 why?

[@uilleachan]

Goretex works well in lower temperatures, because it works by temperature differential the heat from the foot drives moisture out through the semi permeable membrane, if the temp on the other side of the membrane is closer to body temp the less efficient the process and the sweatier the feet will get. So the colder, well down to a few degrees below freezing, the better for goretex.

[@EmelieBoss]

Aah cool!

[@senny_penny]

Hi! Are these shoes suitable for winter weather in urban conditions? I am gonna buy the light version like Caribe GTX

[@uilleachan]

Should be. Works great in cooler conditions.

[@senny_penny]

@@uilleachan ok, thank you

[@progressivesabroadpodcast4950]

Writing from Norway where I’m and Outdoor educator working in the field daily and all seasons. My experience with gore-Tex is both positive and negative. Mostly positive. I think the negative experiences were based more on the construction of the gear rather than the goretex material itself. Also, socks REALLY matter. Wool socks + goretex shoes, jacket , pants whatever is a winning combo IF the gear is constructed properly. I literally wear the same gear with wool socks in Norwegian winter or hiking in south Florida (minus long underwear).

[@arthurpewtey]

Agree that socks really matter. I used to wear cheap socks and was genuinely shocked at the difference when I got an expensive pair as a gift. A lot of cheap socks went in the bin very soon afterwards! A lot like you, here in Sweden, I too wear the same wool socks whether it's -20 or +30 on my hikes (although I do usually wash them in between!)

[@dmutant2635]

Wool socks, absolutely!

[@scratchy996]

I guess there are different levels of water proofing on Gore-tex shoes. Maybe $300+ shoes get the real deal, and everything cheaper only get the Gore-Tex tag.

[@DatNguyen-co1ll]

love from Norway :x

[@slaanesh3931]

@@scratchy996 You are right. The membrane is made to be glued inside the shoe or boot on specific spots. What cheaper build brands do is they apply glue all-over so they block the sweat evacuation properties.

[@chrispierdominici3891]

Over 40+ years of mountaineering, backpacking and hiking all over creation, and almost half that much as a guide, Gore-tex is still the pinnacle of linings for waterproof footwear IMO. I've tried other waterproof breathable membranes in boots and shoes and while some come close, Gore-tex is still the best, especially for long-term durability. Their liner will literally save you getting wet feet that can lead to frostbite and hasten hypothermia, particularly in intense Winter conditions or drastic turns in weather. Water doesn't permeate Gore-tex membranes from the outside unless they're perforated - it's why they still use the "Guaranteed to Keep You Dry" label. If the shoe manufacturer doesn't put it into their shoes properly, especially wrapping it under the midsole, leaks will occur, that's not the membrane's fault, but the manufacturer's - Merrell for example is notorious for doing sloppy installs of Gore-tex liners and thus having leaking boots. It's also important to distinguish between the outer material being penetrated by water (i.e. absorbing and holding it) and the actual membrane allowing water through. Lots of people mistake the prior for the latter and thus errantly blame the liner, when it's not the source of the problem. Nothing with a waterproof/breathable liner is going to completely expel sweat fast, no matter how good it is, especially in intense and/or continuous physical activity, like a non-waterproof shoe will. You're trading off some measure of sweat expulsion for preventing your feet from getting soaked from the outside, on top of having sweaty feet. Gore-tex does a decent job of moving sweat, but works best if you wear a good outer sock and a liner, that helps the process, which also cushioning your Achilles and should also prevent strains or rubbing like you experienced. The boots will dry when you take them off to air out, particularly if you wear the two-sock combo. Hotter weather will naturally make the process of moving sweat harder for any waterproof/breathable membrane. And you shouldn't have issues with bacterial buildup if you're both wearing the double sock combo and also practicing good foot care, which includes routinely airing your socks out, swapping them regularly for another set and washing them if you're out in the backcountry for protracted periods. Your feet will flood regardless of what you're wearing if the water exceeds the height of your shoe, especially if you're not wearing gaiters, it's the reality of physics. Finally, you make think you're doing yourself a favor by wearing trail runners to hike in, but over the long term you're hastening the cumulative damage to your body by causing excess impact and strain on your feet, ankles, knees, and hips, and increasing the likelihood you'll sustain injury along the way. This is particularly true if you hike lots of mile and/or carry sizable loads. Boots are designed for this better than trail runners are. Saving the weight by using trail runners may facilitate hiking a little quicker in the immediate term on individual hikes, but if you plan to hike for years/decades to come and want to maintain optimum body health over that duration, your body will thank you more if you wear boots. Boots are particularly more valuable on descents because they handle your body and equipment load much better than trail runners will, especially minimizing fatigue and decreasing the risk of injury. I've lost track of how many rescues I've done over the years of people who've damaged ankles and knees hiking with loads above 20lb while using trail runners. Plus they make a huge difference in handling more technical terrain than trail runners can hope to.

[@apexhunteryt4879]

i was looking for a real man to correct the misinformation, thank you sir

[@14onyx]

Well done

[@d283jdsk2]

Exactly. I hope people aren't overly influenced by this (no offence to her). Amateur "hiker". Goretex and boots are a MUST if you are looking at doing mixed terrain long distance hikes especially multi-day Also the gains in speed from trail runners are quite frankly negligible if you're carrying weight and travelling a long distance. Remember people. You're walking, not running. That's why ultra trail runners have ultra light running packs. Also running gait (which is what trail runners are designed for) is completely different to walking gait.

[@COSMAS-videos]

I guess you are right on Merrell lousy job....I was walking in thunderstorm and in 10min had shoes full of water coming through the front over my fingers. Totaly not waterproof at all. Berraly water resistance since I felt wetness after stepping into water just for few secconds...

[@bernardlanguillier7970]

Having gone through many different shoes over the years, I must say that I disagree on several points: - even with correct feet hygen bacteria build up in some Goretex shoes is just unavoidable in hot and humid climate such as Japan where I hike most of the time, and they become very quickly very smelly, - in those conditions feet get wet every single time in Goretex shoes due to sweat being trapped, just as wet as they would from rain and it takes forever to dry, basically never while in use and more than 24h after stopping, - there are some trail running shoes with better cushioning than heavier hiking boots so the latter will actually result in worse knee damage and the heavier shoes will result everything else being equal is more tired legs that are likely to cause a small mistake which may result in an ankle injury. Many trails in Japan require constant attention, every step poses a real risk of injured ankle. It's just miles and miles of loose stones, often slippery. Currently I still use Salomon XA Goretex trail running shoes when the forecast is very likely rainy but I am gravitating more and more towards my Arcteryx non Goretex shoes and consistently come out of the non Goretex hikes with feet in better condition.

[@TheyllNeverGetMe]

Gore tex is a must have for all hiking footwear that I have. Hiking in wet shoes can quickly ruin your day and produce blisters. You can avoid the issue you mentioned of water coming in the top by wearing rain pants during substantial rain. This is the system I have successfully used for many years.

[@siaraddy7219]

Same .. I don't see the point of this video .

[@inoeth]

@@siaraddy7219 maybe try to watch it before posting, she is right you know. at least for me, i had the same experience.

[@brushem5489]

I mean unless u want to race goretex are best choice. I run with Salomon goretex trainer on winter with snow and i think this is a must. Even on summer i use it cuz i run on mountain and we never go up to 25°c so they never give me problem and if it rain im prepared. Don't use goretex only if u a pro runner or running in hot places👍

[@comodice905]

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[@PuMaRaping]

@@brushem5489 And that's where the problem lies. I have owned many gore tex shoes throughout the years and I can assure you that there is nothing like a good high quality leather shoes. Gore tex is very good for very mild conditions according to my experience, but if it becomes too cold or too hot, it just acts like a layer of plastic. It is only supposed to let natural perspiration of your skin through so sweat or any other water stays in.

[@willardwooten9582]

I guess by all the comments , I'm one of the rarities who likes and swears by gore tex. Being from Washington I have used everything gore tex , boots ,socks , pants and jacket oh also gaiters. My feet are always dry as the water doesn't run down the cuffs into the boot. Last week in 22 degrees and 10 inches of snow I wore a pair of women's med weight leggings with my women's gore tex pants ( I'm skinny ) a thermal top , woolrich fleece and my g-t jacket and was comfortable warm and dry , whether if I was walking or standing around with the wind and snow blowing. My boots are only 8 months old but my pants and jacket are almost 25 years old and are still working.

[@HomemadeWanderlust]

Willard Wooten I like when folks of all opinions share their experience! Thank you for the comment!

[@scotttalbot4041]

25 years ago, all the mountain leaders I knew were saying that Gore Tex only lasted a season, before the membrane started to break down and was next to useless! Maybe that was a UK problem, as it's probably warmer and wetter here? Great job on keeping anything working for that long though! 👍🏻

[@willardwooten9582]

@@scotttalbot4041 Hey Scott my boots never last a year as I am hard on foot wear . As for my pants and jacket being that old, I wore them under my Cardhartt as I was in a mill cutting wood at 600am in the rain ,snow and what every mother nature threw. The pants are still water proof but the jacket does get wet on the shoulder and mid back even wet they still keep me warm . But for the rain here in Washington I do have a nice pair of Grunden's .

[@Adrienne0010]

I like them too! Call me crazy. But I do love Gore-tex shoes. Just have to have the right socks with them when it's hot.

[@kimberleeeverson1443]

@@Adrienne0010 what are the best socks with them?

[@kouvanos]

"I haven't actually tested, but i will talk about it like a have experience on it" That's a trustworthy review right there

[@raymondayeung]

She did test a pair of gore-tex trail runners and nowhere does her video mention it's an actual review. She's just voicing her opinion that it didn't work for her style of hiking.

[@Pavewy]

@@raymondayeung "...and finally, something that I find worrisome, that you know, *I haven't actually tested for myself, because I got rid of the Gore-Tex shoes before their life ran out. But I feel like* the Gore-Tex material is eventually going to be compromised after some wear and tear..." She voiced an opinion that she has no direct knowledge of, just simply *feels* like is true, per her own words. She did not test. I've worn Gore-Tex for many, many years in the military and it has stood up to very long periods of abuse and still worked fine, as long as you know how to wear it properly.

[@raymondayeung]

@@Pavewy If it bothers you, then don't follow her channel! Plain and simple. Go look for objective reviews instead since she made it clear it's just her own personal experiences and opinion.

[@dezmodium]

She literally talked about her experience using GORE-TEX but hey, you do you. The part she didn't test was the long-term wear. GORE-TEX holds up to long-term wear nicely but she has good points about everything else. You do long hikes your feet are getting wet regardless of the material. May as well get something that is easy to dry out fast.

[@FallingStar1080]

​@@raymondayeungyou don't have to follow someone's channel in order to comment you dork

[@vysterca]

I've been wearing Gore Tex most of my life. The most important thing to consider when wearing any footwear is what you wear between your boot and your feet. I find that the "Technical" sock are the worst. And do you wear 1 sock or 2? I've worn 2 wool socks every day for the last 25 yrs. Summer or winter, doesn't matter. With the technical socks, my feet sweat more, stink more, and just feel uncomfortable. I've worked outside all my life and mother natures wool is the only way to go.

[@22ndaccountduetocensorship57]

I love merino wool socks with my goretex shoe, some water always makes it in, even if just a little, and merino wool retains most insulation while wet and dries quickly. A good combo

[@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20]

Cotton socks is the worst, it sucks all the moist in. Wool is indeed a very good material.

[@agentmikster44]

I find any plastic socks or shirts are horrible for hiking in general, regardless of being "technical" or whatever.

[@sdriza]

3 socks are even better

[@kewsoner7924]

@@sdriza I personally use 18 then I don't need boots and it feels so nice and bouncy, you should try yoy will never go back. Boots are overrated!

[@christie2227]

I'm so glad you put that Seinfeld clip in there

[@ryant169]

Every hiker I own is gore-tex and paired up with appropriate wool socks that keep air flow within the shoes, i’ve never had any issues in hot or cold conditions. Everyone’s different and finding what works for you may not work for someone else. I used to work in the industry so I just wanted to note that gore-tex works off of the principals of pores since both the membrane and the fabrics that sandwich the membrane are incredibly porous. if pores become clogged from dirt, mud, slime etc, they don’t permeate (breathe). this applies to all gore-tex, even jackets. they are finicky textiles to work with and require a lot of maintenance which most people do not know or bother. People are always amazed by the capabilities of gore-tex when they see water slip right off their jackets but if they understood the care involved to maintain that performance, it’d easily turn people away.

[@markdreste3291]

You are spot on, my man. Gore-Tex MUST BE MAINTAINED. Gore Tex works well in moist and humid conditions when it's raining. In these situations you will be sweating and get soaking wet from the inside out. Gore Tex will WICK YOUR SWEAT AWAY. Sweat is salty and full of out chemicals your body is getting rid of. This will sooner or later CLOG UP THE GORE TEX WICKING. A GOOD WASH AND DRY, it's as good as new.

[@aredman22]

I LOVE Gore Tex in my boots and trail shoes, especially here in the soggy Southeast. Fortunately my feet don't sweat much even with the Gore Tex liners. Different strokes for different folks. I recommend everyone try out options to see what works for them.

[@PompTheMoose]

Am I the only one who absolutely loves my high ankle, gortex boots xD I've worn them from 115 degree days in summer to snow and ice in the negatives...and I love 'em.

[@HomemadeWanderlust]

PompTheMoose That’s great! I’m glad they work well for you.

[@hamedizzy6441]

Some ppl juat have super sweaty feet.

[@ThatHikerGirl]

PompTheMoose I do too! They dried just as fast as my trail runner friends too.

[@scruffy281]

Totally agree........I think some people just have super sweaty feet. My friend has issues with her feet sweating a lot. I don't have issues like this with my Gortex boots at all.

[@anymanusa]

U cray cray. My GTX boots are miraculous compared to any other boot I've ever owned.

[@AleksiJoensuu]

Below is a long rant on waterproof products. But before that: What are you folks' best tips for drying your shoes out after you do get them wet? My two main ways are 1) immediately change into dry socks when you get to a dry location or the weather dries out. Keep walking, and keep rotating socks until your shoes are dry. And 2) fill your shoes with newspaper as soon as you make camp. Remember to remove your insoles and dry them separately! If you have enough, change the newspaper before you go to sleep. 3) Keep a couple clothes pins in your pack so you can dry out your socks and news paper after using them. I have this same opinion for hiking. My background is that I have been hiking sporadically through my life and of course was a conscript in the finnish defence forces for a one year term. And I share your problems with Gore-Tex and other membrane products. For one, eventually, eventually when you are out there for long enough, that water WILL find its way through. There's really just no helping it. Either it will seep in through the top, or your feet will generate enough of their own moisture that will have to remain in the shoe since there is no place with less moisture for it to evaporate to, or your feet will slowly vaporize the water that seeped into your shoes and, having vaporized, it can now enter through the membrane. It might keep you drier for longer - but not indefinately. And once the moisture is in, it's hard to get out. Membrane shoes, however, are great if you are doing short, couple hour trips where you might get soaked. But of course the other big one is when it's not raining. And when it's not, the membrane will keep your feet constantly moist with your own sweat, like you said. And wet feet develop blisters and problems so much faster. Not to mention it's really, really uncomfortable :D There is one environment where I love membrane products, and that's in motorcycling. What I said above about moisture finding it's way in holds true here too, especially if you are doing long days in the rain. But really I love membrane clothing more for how they help you deal with the cold. Their windproofness can make an absolutely awful riding day into a genuine pleasure. Even here, simply having a set of waterproof overalls would be much better for both waterproofing and warmth. For some reason I just find it weird to ride in a baggy set of waterproofs when it's not raining, just because of the cold. :D

[@fancystacy]

It is not at all difficult to get a sufficient supply of newspapers in the forest, because they are sold in woods in piles at every step.

[@Gizmoimages]

I've had some Gore-Tex boots that were worthless in keeping feet dry, others great. My feet don't sweat much so I don't find too many negative issues with Gore Tex. Two big lessons I've learned over the years is to wear a liner sock, and then a wool sock over the liner sock. This was HUGE in eliminating blisters or chafing. If there is any friction it will be between the socks and not your foot. The second lesson is use that downward angle board when testing out boots in the store. Make sure your toes are not able to touch the front of your boot. Lost my big toe toenail the first time I climbed Mt. Whitney.

[@robertmulhern2113]

Are the liner socks made from merino wool also? We are planning our first Camino in September, and I bought waterproof Merrill’s, but I am concerned about blisters. I am a regular walker, but have never done a hike like this before, and there so many conflicting opinions about waterproof shoes. The Camino, from what I understand is not a trail where you would have to cross a river, but I think there will be a fair amount of rain. I will be taking trail sandals also. Thanks for your advise

[@Wildschwein_Jaeger]

I have used Lowa boots of the same model with gore tex also with leather liner. The gore tex pair were worn daily for about 18 months before they had an odor that I could not clear out.. Weather was like Washington state. Wet not too cold or hot. 28 to 80 F. For me they were warm and I had no problem in heat or cold but you had to change socks and air out when it was cold. Odor was a problem mostly near the end. When I went back to the store to buy new they only had the leather lined model. I actually find the leather lined model keeps my feet more comfortable as the leather liner is not absorbing as much moisture as the gore tex did. I Have used the leather lined in Alps on day hikes 60 to 85 F. Less slipping of the sock when damp from sweat. They breath a bit less in the heat but dry faster when you take them off at a rest stop and have no odor. I am happier with the leather lined boots. I will be steering clear of gore tex in my next pair mostly due to the odor. Also the high rubber soles and outer bees wax treated leather is the water repellant for both pairs. The gore tex liner added no water proofing. I think the idea was to help the feet stay dryer but based on the odor I would say gore tex as a boot liner is only good at absorbing foot moisture.

[@soaringeagleoutdoors]

I have 1400 AT miles on two pairs of Lowa Renegade GTXs and loved them. I hate hiking in wet feet and when I tried trail runners for 4 days in New York my feet were wet all the time. Up to that point I had hiked in wet boots only days, plus in just 1 day I had fallen 4 times with the trail runners. Bottomline: I love Lowa boots

[@KeyofDavid5778]

@@soaringeagleoutdoors I've been on four five day trips where I've got the Renegade wet the first day and they kept my feet dry for 5 days in a row even though the outside was wet. Remarkable lightweight boot!

[@norman9274]

As you've already learned, it's very important to prevent bacteria from ever taking hold in your footware (whether Gore-Tex or not). The key is to realize what the source of the bacteria is in the first place. Your feet should be scrubbed clean BEFORE engaging in activities that cause it to sweat. Otherwise it will multiply and spread through your socks and eventually into your footwear.

[@MTrekker2001]

Where I live in Ohio, 90% humidity is not uncommon. Wearing my Lowe Gortex leather boots on a multi day trip I have had to stop, take them off and dump water out of them every mile or so. I have switched to trail runners and no longer have to worry about prolonged wet feet. I did the JMT in June and July in the big snow year of 2017. Did a number of deep water crossings and hiked mostly in snow with my Altras. The feet were dry most of the time and when wet never felt clammy. I do have a pair of water resistant Altras for the winter. They are Gortex like, so it does have a place in certain instances.

[@bigswederides]

I've used Gortex extensively in many different applications and agree fully with your review. Gortex is more marketing hype than effective application, particularly in footwear. It works a little better in jackets. It doesn't ventilate well enough for footwear and can in no way keep up with the heat within the footbox. I have never worn a gortex shoe/ boot that my sock was not soaked from sweat.

[@samwatson3588]

Rather have damp feet than soaking wet socks slushing around inside my boots, after stepping in a puddle.

[@22ndaccountduetocensorship57]

Paired with merino wool blend (0 cotton tho) socks and you are rain safe.

[@lilianedecoste7312]

Solution : Gore-Tex socks!!! 🙂

[@plainsimple442]

Have worn leather boots, for the past 70 years, when hiking with dry and wet conditions, crossing streams, snow, etc and have never had a problem.

[@timbober1]

Your content appeared on my you tube feed, I find your presentation interesting and informative. My hiking days are over but we can all learn from each other. Thank you

[@jimgritty7064]

One can enjoy nature in many ways, sending good wishes

[@SU-452]

I love Goretex. Ive been hiking for decades in the UK wet climate. I've found that wearing merino wool socks with them is the perfect combination. I dont do river crossings very often, but wet grass and mud its great. I hike my dog daily in them in all weather's and I'm a great fan!

[@Slenderman12342]

I'm from Ireland and use the same set up and honestly the only time my gore tex boots ever got wet was when I went up to my knee in a bog hole.

[@sdemosi]

@@Slenderman12342 same here. And with merino socks I was still warm once I rinsed them out

[@Slenderman12342]

@@sdemosi merino wool is honestly a god send on cold and wet days

[@mountainmantararua8824]

Having been in the mountains for over 60 years and still am. I would challenge any body who would tell me that this or that product will keep you dry. I have had the best gear available, including gaiters. and when you are on the 'tops' in driving rain, swirling winds there is nothing that will keep you dry on foot or body. The only dry things are in the centre of my pack ( sleeping bag etc). If the rain doesn't get you the sweat will. Cheers from NZ

[@bernardlanguillier7970]

Exactly!

[@MrAdeuhtyr]

I agree. With the sweat but particularly. When you are working or just being very active, more ‘protection’ is more gear, wearing more gear is more perspiration, regardless of the temperature. My best defense has been rotating my socks, generally wool

[@bigredog100]

"Today I want to talk to you about why I don't fool with goretex trail runners" Shows clip of walking knee deep in a river I..I think I know what your problem is

[@Tremulousnut]

It is a valid point. Gortex is fine in certain environments (snow, light showers), it's fine if you are going out for less than 24 hours, but for longer trips or torrential rain it wouldn't work out. It certainly wouldn't work out in a jungle where river crossings are inevitable. When Goretex boots get soaked its not gonna dry at all. In that respect, since you're feet will be getting wet anyway, it's better to get something that dries VS something that won't dry once wet.

[@bigredog100]

@@Tremulousnut it also depends on what type of shoe it is. She says she doesn't like boots and only trail runners, and also doesn't wear any pants over her shoes. So of course rain is going to get inside the shoe and remain wet.

[@johntuff]

@@Tremulousnut I've had gore-tex boots by the northface before and it got submerged in water then i got dried after a while

[@cabana123]

That was her point. She can wear a non-goretex shoe into the water, because they dry out so quickly. Goretex shoes have to be taken off for each water crossing, because they take too long to dry out.

[@bigredog100]

@@cabana123 I highly doubt it's any quicker, most shoes stay soaked for awhile unless you throw em in a dryer and turn it up as high as possible

[@MephistoRolling]

Definitely agree that if you are doing creek crossings then you want something that drains the water and dries out quickly. Waterproof boots are best for when walking through wet grass and with gaiters in the rain. But not for actually submersion unless its very shallow and doesnt get into the shoe.

[@razvanrazvan3501]

I am always looking for Gore-Tex technology when I am buying new boots. I never had a problem with the Gore-Tex, this material is a lifesaver for me when I am trekking the mountain ridges or down in the forest when crossing rivers. I don't know about you, but I am always wearing gaiters (low or high for snow) to protect the boots. I wouldn't go trekking without Gore-Tex and Vibram! For me works and I am sure that works for most people.

[@rexnielson6069]

GoreTex is awesome! I have used GoreTex gear since 1992. I have owned light hiking boots to Heavy Danner Acadia boots, and in Salomon Speed Cross light trail runners. There really is zero extra weight and for me, They have performed superbly in super hot weather here in AZ and in below Zero weather up in our Snow country, and everything in-between. You mention durability of GoreTex and I have worn them in extreme conditions. GoreTex has never failed me from Grand Canyon North to South terrain, Alpine terrain, and desert terrain. I get that she expressed that she has sweaty feet, but my experience is that quality brand designs with GoreTex have been stellar for me. Jungle foot in my opinion has less of chance with the breathability I've experienced in my days on the trail with GoreTex.

[@QuickRipzz]

I was born in 1992 ❤️

[@cj_m2477]

I started backpacking in the early 70’s with leather mountaineering boots. I still wear them, totally breathable. The original GoreTex.

[@daviddaigle1709]

Leather is not breathable lol wtf

[@2chill2]

And you need to wax the leather often to keep them almost waterproof. Once wet, leather boots stay wet for a long long time.

[@BenjaminCronce]

@@2chill2 The oil in leather is hydrophobic. Wax is only needed if you're walking through mud for long periods of time. Even then, you mostly use a heavy oil with some suspended wax, but you don't actually wax the leather. Too much wax won't let the leather breath and can cause the leather to rot. I'd look into smoke-jumpers and how they care for their leather boots.

[@poembala]

@@daviddaigle1709uhm... yes it is?!

[@aimstraight5898]

@@daviddaigle1709 leather is very porous.

[@mtnbiker14]

It's really all about personal preference and comfort. And there's a big difference between a day hike and a thru hike where you have to wear the same boots or shoes daily for long stretches of time. I used to work in the outdoor gear and apparel industry and I agree for myself that I would usually prefer breathable over waterproof for the long haul and my overall comfort and foot health. For a day hike, where I can change shoes and socks in a few hours, I can decide based on the day's weather. The patent on the GoreTex membrane expired in the late 90's and since then almost every outdoor gear manufacturer has either developed or sourced some version of it. So, you can get "waterproof and breathable" almost anywhere and often for less money. GoreTex is still the Pinnacle product in terms of quality. But, nothing that is "waterproof and breathable" is both at the same time. It's a fact that it is much less breathable than a ventilated shoe. Once there's moisture on the outside of the membrane, sweat can no longer penetrate to escape, so the "breathable" factor gets worse and causes even more sweat and heat to be trapped exactly when you're trying to stay dry. It is for that reason I prefer a decent poncho over rain jacket, too. Even if it weighs a few more ounces, it's worth it in the long run. Every rain jacket has let me down either from wetting through or from my own sweat and body heat building inside. A poncho gives you ventilation from the airflow underneath and keeps rain out. Going bigger in size adds weight, but can also give you the option to cover a pack or use it to cover the ground while resting after the rain has stopped.

[@mtnbiker14]

In warm months, my camp shoe is usually "barefoot" sandal like the Xero Shoes Genesis or Z-Trek. There are now many other brands and models to chose from, but my point is that if you have something that doesn't trap water and dries quickly...your camp shoe can be used for water crossings or in the rain to save your normal boot/shoe from getting soaked.

[@Seongbin-0]

Goretex membrane is Just essential for wet environment. It's not only that is waterproof and breath better than other waterproof material, but also it can be use in combination with other Fabrics such as leather and nylon etc. keep one thing in mind,Goretex does not deteriorate naturally, it will still function after a century, cause it is not naturally disposable.which can be a good thing if we are talking about durability.

[@pahunter3]

While I have not been a long distance hiker, I am a hunter and have worked with SAR teams. Because of my experience with cold, wet, mud and snow the Gore-Tex boots are essential for those conditions. Keeping the feet warm and dry are vital in those conditions. They will reduce or prevent cold injuries to the feet. My feet have stayed dry and have not had issues in the winter weather conditions.

[@danielkutcher5704]

On the Appalachian Trail, give it a week during an average hiking season, and your feet will get wet. If you have the luxury of getting inside under cover every few days, you can dry everything out, including the inside of your Gore-Tex boots. Gore-Tex breathes best when it is cold and dry. The more humid it is outside, the lower the water vapor tranpiration rate, in other words, when it is warm and humid you will get sweaty feet. In addition, salt on the surface of Gore-Tex membrane draws water through the pores. That's why, in a high salt environment (sweaty feet), Gore uses a version of the membrane which is heavily coated with polyurethane, which is, by nature, impervious to water. In essence, Gore-Tex footwear is pretty much non-breathable. If you wear it, and your feet are not sweaty, it's mostly the motion of walking that pumps the moist air out of the shoe or boot. Footwear manufacturers call this the "bellows effect". I do snow removal and wear completely waterproof Sorel boots. My socks (mostly wool) will be damp at the end of the day. They go in the wash while the boot liners dry. If I had to walk mile after mile, day after day in wet conditions, my feet would be one big blister. Gore-Tex for winter? Sure. If you can dry them every couple of days, sure. If the membrane is in a high boot, sure. For a wet daily run on paved streets, sure. For me, during a long hike when no snow is on the ground, give me low cut shoes with breathable gaiters, and a pair of waterproof socks for protracted rain or a surprise snowfall. Btw, for waterproof footwear to work in protracted rain, it is essential that you wear rain pants and a rain jacket, otherwise, the water will simply run down your legs and soak your socks...

[@alkaholic4848]

I find that on a dry day, the damp sweaty air on the inside will breathe into the dry air on the outside, resulting in dry feet etc. But on a wet day, the air on the inside is again damp and sweaty but this time the air on the outside is also wet and humid so it has nowhere to breathe to. So you end up wet anyway - just from sweat not from the outside. Does this mean it's pointless then? As you're going to end up wet anyway - either from the inside or the outside. Not quite. The dampness on the inside comes from your body - which is hot, whereas if you wear none-waterproofs the dampness comes from the outside (rain/snow) - which is cold. So damp sweaty footwear, although not as effective as when it's dry obviously, because it traps that warm water on the inside, is still a lot warmer than footwear which is constantly exchanging the warm water on the inside with cold water from the outside. It's not quite the same but similar to the effect of a wetsuit in the sea. Contratry to a popular myth, it's not trapping the layer of water that keeps you warm, it's actually the microscopic air pockets inside the neoprene that provide the insulation; but where that myth comes from is that if your wetstuit is loose, it is constantly exchanging warm water on the inside with cold water from the outside. Whereas a tight wetsuit, although it gets wet on the inside, that water warms up and is trapped there, so despite not contributing to your insulation, it doesn't make you much colder either. So yes I'd agree that in summer probably better off without goretex - where warmth isn't a significant factor (often the opposite and you have difficulty keeping cool) and your gear dries out quickly; whereas in winter you're better with a waterproof layer as even if your feet get wet from sweat at least it prevents the cold water (inc melted snow) from getting in.

[@spartywarriors]

Agreed for 3 seasons but winter hiking or snowshoeing, gortex is part of my regular gear. Great video dixie. Keep em coming.

[@trailcat71]

spartywarriors I tried trail runners in rain/ snowy weather and hated it. Course I wasn’t thru hiking but once it hits 30 I want my boots!

[@astrog8tr]

I agree. My NB trail runners are gortex and they actually take forever to dry if they get really wet, however. Only thing the store had though. I do love it for my Merrell boots which I use exclusively for snow hiking. They keep your feet a lot drier and warmer, imo. But I could see that on thru hike you wouldn't want them.

[@brianbrooking496]

Gore Rex in summer can be helpful, the morning dew can be a nightmare, then you are walking with wet feet forever if you don’t have goretex. I like the presentation of the video, but I did not think the discussion was well thought out.

[@wolf1066]

@@brianbrooking496 I have to respectfully disagree, here. My experience is that non-waterproof shoes also _drain_ very quickly and if wearing decent socks - I use a wicking layer next to the skin and a light-to-medium weight sock over that - I don't have a problem with my feet feeling wet. I can even ford streams, walk through deep puddles and my shoes drain and become tolerable within 10 minutes. Only time I've been squelching around all day is in waterproof shoes/boots after having them submerged or subjected to torrential rain. Once in, the water never gets out.

[@brianbrooking496]

Wolf NZ Outdoors interesting points, and well made. We obviously like different things, which is encouraged, as it’s great to get different perspectives. Here in Ireland the grass is usually soaking with dew in mornings and can take forever to burn off (if we get morning sun). So after a short distance my Merrill Ventilator, are usually soaked through, whereas if I took the goretex shoes, my feet are bone dry all day.

[@johnhutchison2268]

Dixy I totaly agree with you. I work on the principle no matter what you wear on your body you will get wet. I now focus on light wieght kit that drys quickly. I live and walk in Scotland so I am familiar with cold and wet.

[@millwork3319]

Born to roam. Some 50 years ago I remember just sitting in school dripping with sweat while everyone else had dry 'pits.' My socks would be saturated and the simple leather boots would show the water level of my body. Years later, after wearing scores of different styles and brands, I came across a boot that comprised of most everything I had thought a boot should have and perform like. From the first tug of the lace it felt like a favorite pair of gloves. I went directly to a long awaited excursion and began the maiden trek. The first break brought anticipation of how my 'always soaked socks' classic scenario would pan out. To my surprise, there was a moisture line on my socks that s t o p p e d at the top of my boot. I always would have to change socks mid trip to stay in some semblance of comfort and dryness. When I pulled my boot off I couldn't believe what I saw, from my ankle to my toes it was completely dry. Not just 'not soaked,' or 'somewhat saturated,' or even 'slightly damp' but d r y. Solid leather, no venting or fabric air control sections except for the micro holes at the top of the ankle padding. Might I add that Gore-Tex has, for quite some time, been a must have in all my outdoor wear. From top to bottom. What I will say, is that even though I have found footwear that is extremely effective in wicking moisture, I still find it challenging to stay 'dry inside' with Gore-Tex raingear in warm seasons. Not a problem in the winter just only when temps are higher than 25deg and being active when rain or snow is falling. Take care

[@andrewlangshanks2407]

Agree, although you can hardly buy non gore-tex boots, these days. My problem with daily dog walks is sandy conditions will compromise the gore-tex liner in next to no time with a fabric boot or shoe. So, for dog walking, gore-tex lined leather boots, and for hills and trails either wax treated leather boots or trail runners depending upon terrain and load.

[@dadventuretv2538]

Been Hiking for 40 years. I remember when I first started seeing Goretex in late 80s. Finally saved my pennies and got my first pair in 89. It was my first boot with a lot of nylon and I had my doubts. After buying them I stood in a stream so the water could go over them but not get in from the top. I was amazed. Stood there about 3-4 mins and feet stayed completely dry. Always been the same experience ever since. Nothing will keep you dry if water gets in the body part opening, but if it does that’s user error. I think your comment is too one dimensional. For hot summers I dont wear goretex either- let your feet get wet- no biggie. But for cold, wet and rainy climates it is essential. You can get frost bite in not too cold weather if you feet get wet. Snow is not as much of an issue as cold rain bc unless you are trekking through deep snow for an extended period, usually the snow will drop off your boot before it turns to water and can penetrate. But rainfall will soak through non goretex nylon shoes/boots very quickly, and if it is cold you could be in trouble. The other thing is that you cannot just rely on boots/shoes alone to keep you dry. If you are gonna be hiking for prolonged time in cold rain it is essential to have goretex pants and gaiters, as well as a shell with a hood of course. You can often pick up used over pants and gaiters in very good shape from mil surplus. I have a pair of British mil over pants that work perfect- a little swish but that’s OK. You also have to understand the rating system of goretex and goretex like fabrics. They have a rating for water proofness and permeability. Some are better than others at each. I always recommend people read the ratings prior to buying the product. And sealed seems are essential too- cheap gear won’t have sealed seams so the water will just bypass the goretex and come in the seams. That is not the goretex fault but is poor manufacturing and design of the product- probably to save costs bc it was cheap. Re stream crossings- if I’m hiking in weather for goretex Im likely not doing stream crossings more than ankle deep due to temp of water, but if I do expect to I usually bring Keen sandals strapped to outside of my pack. For shoulder seasons I recommend a well ventilated boot with a lot of nylon- if you get a leather boot or shoe you are defeating the breathability of goretex. So in sum- I agree with that you are saying to point- in warm weather. But in cold rain your vid could get people in trouble with exposure.

[@hamedizzy6441]

I totally agree with you. There is no one answer for every questions. And gortex answers to the extreme cold and wet. Gortex is not meant to be worn in the summer or warm climates. Your body will sweat in anything that's trying to keep the elements out. Especially if you sweat too much to begin with.

[@ehatipo4598]

Sir, which shoes do you recommend for summer hikers with durability and one with a lot of ventilation?

[@farmermike9262]

Agreed

[@georgiospapadimitriou1509]

@@ehatipo4598 Did you find some , cause i'm looking for me to but cannot decide..!

[@ehatipo4598]

@@georgiospapadimitriou1509 I found a pair of northface hiking shoes in discount. I'd suggest follow any big brand discounts

[@mikebox]

Great video, that brings up a lot of questions. I've used Gortex since my army days from 86 to 96. then as a civilian hiker camper etc.. since that time. I have been selling outdoor equipment for almost 25 years now. I suggest using gortex only in cold weather. I don't like gortex during hot humid weather. but a lot of people aren't wearing their shoes correctly. My first question is , Where you plan on using them? Make sure you are wearing wool socks with gortex or any outdoor shoe. many people wear cotton socks. remember cotton kills. so best to wear no socks than cottons socks. I will carry a pair of sandals when crossing water. Make sure the insoles are good. usually the ones that come with the shoes are poor. Make sure you are fit, and the shoes are correct in size. many people wear shoes that are too small. Also, I would suggest that you maybe carry a second pair of shoes on these long hikes. I know they add weight. But this will allow your shoes to dry out and recovers from the stress of the day before. Even in the Army we do this. Wear the right shoes for the right terrain, the right season, and stay fit. because an unfit hiker can injure themselves because they change how they step when they get tired.

[@mojaslovenija9903]

Good points and correlated with my experience.

[@markucije]

I tried gorotex shoes in winter.. my feet were cooked. Better to wear leather boots. In my opinion gorotex is way overrated technology.

[@mikebox]

@@markucije it is, but in the end if the winter weather is dry cold. It works better

[@JoeStaehle]

I definitely haven’t noticed much sweating in the heat with gore tex. I sweat a lot everywhere but not as bad with my feet 😂

[@grantorinoo]

Thanks for info, it helped me a lot.

[@surface2wherever]

Hi, thanks for the video, but I have a couple of questions since I'm looking into switching from Boots to something lighter. I apologize in advance if you have gotten this questions loads of times already. A lot of trail runners enthousiasts on KZbin keep saying water will get in through the big hole in the shoe where your foot goes in. Should I assume you never wear waterproof overtrousers that also cover that hole? And I wonder how you deal with multiple rainy and all around damp days in succession where the trail runners also don't really get a chance to dry out overnight? Do you just slip into wet ones in the morning and hike on? And how do you keep your feet warm around camp at night? Hope to hear soon! Thanks!

[@janjamajhenc7441]

To prevent getting wet into waterproof shoes just take a piece of plastic foil (cut zip-bag) and wrap ower socks and secure it with a piece of plaster/ducktape. It works for me during the cycling in Ireland. Sorry for the broken English.

[@SuperMassiveGrayCat]

Just any regular pants, even not waterproof at all weared OVER the shoe (a.k.a. properly) remove the problem with rein water getting inside. And the rest troubles you described came from wrong socks, except one with crossing rivers with your shoes on - yep, here gore-tex is bad. Talking about drying out - just recently I'd been walking in mud under many hours rein. Shoes felt perfect on walk but when we came to the camp they started to feel wet and cold. Everyone tried to dry their everything. I was the only one with gore-tex boots and also the only one with dry shoes by the morning.The amount of water inside them was so miserable that it was enough to put on dry socks, stay in shoes for a couple of hours before going to sleep - feeling good cause of dry socks and stimulating the work of membrane with the warmth from the foot, then just leave the shoes under the tent for a night. And it was about 0 to 5 deg Celsius that night (it was May in lower mountains and the day before it was +25, not a winter). By the morning they were still wet from outside but perfectly dry inside. Even more recently, in late June I had a little hike in the North. +7 to +15 C, fog and non-stopping little rain. And again g-tex shoes are dry all the time, regular hiking shoes are wet inside even after a night near the radiator in hotel room. So yep you can't be as dry in gtex shoes as you are in non-gtex in perfect conditions, but proper socks fix that perfectly. And even a little rain, mud, creek, puddle or just grass dew easily make non-gtex shoes MUCH wetter then gtex in a way you can't easily fix, and you have to walk in wet shoes unless its a hot and shiny sumer day. Sooo - if its warm and dry season and wet conditions in any form are effectively not a problem at all (like you can even be ok with crossing the river in your shoes), then you don't need g-tex though it is ok even in that conditions, just not mandatory. In all other scenarios its great.

[@CoolBreeze0432]

Gortex works for me !! I guess everybody's different

[@dormilon36]

How do you handle water crossings when water level is knee high?

[@szkyy5171]

@@dormilon36 you cross somewhere else

[@zorankomadina4224]

@@dormilon36 swims

[@stephenmurray2851]

@@szkyy5171 lol

[@nadafro3116]

@@dormilon36 stay indoors

[@Bham67]

Great points and a helpful video. Both have their place. For the conditions and reasons Dixie describes, the non-Gortex is a better option. However, when I am doing a weekend hike or hunting and walking in mud or snow, and ankle deep puddles & creeks, my Gortex boots keep my feet completely dry in situations where cold wet feet would be a game ender.

[@bernardlanguillier7970]

Sure, it's a no brainer in cold and wet conditions

[@pakhong]

Thanks for sharing this video, I thought it was only me having the same issue. After many years of trail running lessons, I figured out the answer is "right tool for the right job". It depends on climate and purposes of activity. In my experience, It is a disaster to wear waterproof fabric on the hot and humid trails even with minor sweat. But these fabric can be foot saver on snowy mountain trail running.

[@awkwardautistic]

Depends on where you're at. The climate and weather etc. I've never had an issue with Goretex..my feet stay warm and dry. I'm in a pretty cold and snowy area. I buy the boot a little big and wear thick wool socks... the socks you wear are just as important as the boots.

[@natamadic]

There is so many variables and factors regarding outdoor gear (temperature, humidity, precipitation, terrain type, etc, etc). In my particular case, I absolutely agree with every single point of this presentation. I specifically ask at my REI for non-GTX, fast drying boots.

[@danielfulop]

Question to all of you disliking goretex / waterproof shoes and boots: how do you keep your feet dry and warm while hiking in the rain / snow? I understand that it's okay to get something quick drying and just walk into the puddles in the summer, but I think gore-tex is for autumn/winter and rainy day hiking in the first place. I have some Nike SFB boots that are not waterproof, and walking in them in wet grass (not in the rain) soaks them through in about 30 mins... and an hour in I can't feel my toes... then imagine rain / snow, cold, and a full day hike.... quick drying shoes don't make sense for this purpose... so what other options do you guys prefer instead of goretex then?

[@crj101]

Love the covered bridge filming location!!!

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

I couldn't agree more. I swap out for Teva sandals when I cross water but for much the same reasons, I decided to embrace the suck and just be ok with being wet when I was in the Infantry for 8 years, where even if it rains, you never stop doing what you're doing, you just do it wet. I keep my gear in a garbage bag inside my pack with a rain cover over that but no worthless rain gear or waterproof footwear and it works for me. As for the rain jacket and pants? Whether the gear leaks eventually or it's the condensation and sweat, you're gonna get wet anyway, so why bother putting yourself in a plastic bag and without all the Gore Tex, you dry off faster. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@randyleppell8885]

Definitely, some good points and everyone has to use what makes them happy based on environmental and personal factors and to be honest, I've never understood the point of GTX lowcut shoes/boots. All you've done is put a short cup at the bottom of your body. GTX is meant to work as a "shelter" if you will from rain/water. I've learned the most effective use of GTX is as a system but only is effective if you work from the top down. Boots are only to keep your feet protected from the height of the boot/shoe down and underneath. If you want to keep water from going in the "big giant hole on top", you have to wear pants over them. The best way to keep water from running into your pants at the top is to wear a jacket with a hood over the pants, pants over the boots. If the only layer of GTX you have on is essentially a receptacle at the bottom of a structure (your body in this case), of course, it's going to hold all the water that runs into it. Between my military experience and hunting/backpacking, I have many miles wearing GTX "boots" and I can say they've quite literally been one of the most useful pieces of kit that kept me mobile. Sure, when it's warm, and my feet start to sweat, I just learned to rotate socks a little more or some foot powder but overall, well worth it for the cold and wet. Again, environmental factors are always considered.

[@nn-uj1iv]

Shoes are less restrictive. I use walking shoes all the time hate boots.

[@pavelperina7629]

It depends. You points are valid for rain and hot climate and trails with lot of tourists. And for lightweight shoes which I wouldn't use on longer, rocky trails anyways, but it depends. I had heavy duty low-ankle shoes that were not water proof and I was fine with them. But difference in water proof vs not water proof are conditions such as wet grass, snow ... I had one goretex hiking shoes from like 98 to 07. They were fine for moist autumn 3 day hike with some drizzling and overcast. But few years later I took them to 13 days hike in Bulgaria and they were not waterproof, cause membrane failed due to age. We had few rain showers or storms per day, grass was wet and I've spend maybe four days in boots that were soaked and impossible to dry. My whole sole was one giant blister. And by the way gators are good for exactly the same reason: protection against wet grass and mud.

[@vaclavkrpelik]

The assumptions about boots based on experience with trail runners are wrong. During 12 years of mountaineering and mountain photography I have never got rain / water in GTX boots and also have never had issues with moisture / sweat (using B1, B2, and B3 boots in both winter and summer time). On the other hand its clear that some people's feet sweat more, goretex in soft trail runners does not last that much and in the warm weather is not as breathable as high in the cold mountains. No insult, but its quite funny that a lady who marks herselves "thru-hiker" (in some other video) is using trail shoes / runners for all hikes, even for "short period time winter conditions" (which is just wrong), making informative videos about it :D

[@EmelieBoss]

I have only used Altra trail runners the last couple of years hiking and I love them during the summer hiking season! BUT since I spend all year outside, I am now tired of having soaked and cold feet the second I go outside for a walk and the grass is a little wet. I got some gore-tex shoes that I use in the fall for shorter walks and day hikes and for that - they are great! They keep out the water just in time for me to come home again. But for summer hikes I will still use my normal ventilated trailrunners!

[@deborahbusch5179]

Can you make a video on the best socks for hiking

[@tictachikes6156]

Deborah Busch Darn Tough - lifetime warranty made in Vermont. Expensive but worth it. The most popular hiking sock there is for good reason.

[@deborahbusch5179]

Meg Hikes OK Thank you so much

[@tictachikes6156]

Deborah Busch Also check out Injinji sock liners as they’re champion for preventing blisters especially toe blisters. I used these and Darn Tough through 700 miles of dessert and 200 miles in the Sierras last year and had 0 blisters.

[@deborahbusch5179]

Meg Hikes Thanks

[@demoncleaner80]

Darn Tough, all day, every day. I tried Smartwool and REI didn't really like either

[@jaredsuzuki6781]

I agree with you. Goretex is the worst not just for boots but also for clothing. Wear Wiggys Lamilite socks with ventilated boots and your feet will stay dry and warm even if they get wet.

[@lilianedecoste7312]

So. I have Lowa Renegade Mid Gore-Tex boots. I wear them almost daily and year round. I have never had wet feet, but it is true that my feet do not sweat and I do not cross rivers. However, I did snowshoeing in the spring, and there were times when I had to cross long sections of trail that were inundated with sleet. I have never had wet feet. I did wear gaiters (very light, nylon), but I admit that if I had to cross streams on a regular basis it might not be enough. There are however Gore-Tex socks but you should still think about removing them to dry them later, this may not be ideal on a long hike. Another important point: never wear Gore-Tex shoes when walking on a sandy beach. My partner has already done it and the sand has seeped between the Gore-Tex membrane and the outside of the shoe and it was very unpleasant for the rest of the course. He then had to pierce the membrane to remove the sand! Were I live there are no Rivers, but we often have to walk in mud so I prefer to keep my feet dry with my Gore-Tex boots and not have to remove them and try to get them drying while I eat my lunch. If I put them off to let my feet breath it is just for the please to be barefoot in the grass or on the ground for a while but they are already dry! I wear Merino socks and never had fungus or blister issues. But I had a lot of blisters and black toe nails after a half marathon run in regular running shoes, so I think it has nothing to do with Gore-Tex!

[@johnb9005]

How about changing to a pair of water shoes/sandals and not wearing socks to cross streams? One could then dry their feet and put on dry socks and shoes. I agree with Mike Box post about wool socks. When I switched to socks made mostly of wool, I stopped getting blisters. I wear wool socks year round. My favorite is Woolrich Big Wooly heavy weight hiking and then Smartwool medium weight hiking. I used the big wooly's as make shift mittens in zero degree weather and my hands stayed warm.

[@rainerburgdorfer4017]

Using anti-perspirant on my feet, especially when wearing ski boots, helps with foot and lower leg perspiration. I agree with you here.

[@ing_frantisek_mohykan]

but there is the cancer in anti-perspirant

[@TheDrakanMaster124]

@@ing_frantisek_mohykan the chance of you getting cancer cuz of an antiperspirant is next to none

[@kevinmcclease71]

@@ing_frantisek_mohykan that’s because of the aluminum within the anti perspirant. But just look for some without aluminum, pretty easy to find

[@chezwickcheese139]

It entirely depends on what type of expedition you're doing and where. Also choosing the right socks is crucially important. Also who doesn't pack rain pants?

[@caripage9327]

I was actually wondering this too. I always wear wool socks when hiking because they dry quickly and stay warm even when soaking wet, but when I'm walking/jogging around home, I usually wear cotton socks and my god, they're horrible when wet!

[@JessieBanana]

I personally have always preferred wearing sport material that gets wet and dries quickly, than waterproof gear. I only like waterproof materials for snow.

[@konagolden3397]

I agree, the situation matters. Same for socks. My personal favorites for many hikes are Thorlo combat socks. I never bring rain pants, though. My poncho is quality and works as my shelter saving a lot of weight. Only my lower legs get wet. My pants dry fast, and the legs unzip, so I'm good when I get to camp.

[@konagolden3397]

@@caripage9327 Try a pair of Thorlo combat socks. They have differend zones weaved in, padding on heels and the balls of your feet, tight support around the arch, padded Achilles heel, great elastic to hold them up, and they last for years. No, I am not affiliated with them, I just found them to be the best socks for backpacking.

[@nonameman9291]

Rain pants are stupid and a waste.

[@rodsnap]

Love gore-tex but you have to use a brain as well. You got comments like "they work until you submerge them " no kidding !

[@raulferia1516]

¿There is some boots label with a integrated brain that you can recommend?

[@jludwig5374]

That's not what she's saying. She meant if you're gonna submerge your shoes you might as well just use normal shoes because they drain water better than gore tex

[@psibug565]

My favourite review ever was for the mesh sided Terrain Aqua 2 Shoes designed to dry out quickly after being submerged. The reviewer complained that their feet got wet in the rain! Remember common sense is not common.

[@psibug565]

@@jludwig5374 I don’t think the complaint is about what is being said in the video. She makes a good case for not using Gore-Tex for the type of hiking she is doing. For me walking the the Downs in rainy England with bridges over any running water it is great.

[@nutmagnet22]

@@jludwig5374 Yep,right over his head.

[@liquidSpin]

Gore-tex trail running shoes are water proof not for rainy conditions but moreso puddles or the occasional small low water level stream/Creek crossings. If you're looking for rain protection of course you would need waterproof pants and high tops or boots that the pant legs can go over. As for hot sunny days there's no need to wear gore-tex shoes. Think of them as specific shoes to add to your arsenal of out door gear. Use them when you know or think you will need them. Trust me gore-tex shoes are great. I own a few pairs of Gore-tex hiking shoes and they have never let me down especially during the winter.

[@michaelpalm2210]

well said. I have gore boots for hiking and Brooks cascadia gore tex trail runners for runs. Best $$$ I ever spent.

[@seebarry4068]

Works well in my SIDI motorcycle boots, but I’m not running about, sweat isn’t such an issue as cold is for me. They have never leaked and they’ve been through some stormy weather. I’ve had them for 9 years now. They also came with a lifetime warranty to cover leaking. Brilliant in my experience. The merrell trail trainers gtx didn’t leak, I wore them out in my operating theatre job. But they stayed dry, which is good because I didn’t want patient juice in my socks. They wouldn’t have taken the beating yours did so again maybe not comparable.

[@ubacow7109]

I find they work amazing for rain running shoes.

[@gandamack1900]

Whatever...I love the stuff...Finest thing since sliced bread Gore-Tex gaiters will keep the water out of your shoes...they weigh,like,5 ozs👍 You have to keep perspective..I grew up in the 50’s/60’s...We had a War Surplus/Army-Navy store in every town...tents,even in Scouts,were heavy canvas...”Waterproof”boots meant you oiled the leather and sealed the seams(weekly🙄) For extreme exposure you wore wool cause it kept you warm even when wet🤦‍♂️ Its hard to describe the relief of Gore-Tex and the other laminated knock-offs...dry feet,dry bodies,jackets that block the wind and rain...Ok..You have a point based on your experience...Me too👍

[@sk8erdawg25]

I think her problem was the fact that she wasn't a boot wearer. She decided to hike the AT on her first backpacking trip. Probably also didn't take the time to get used to wearing her hiking boots. If you take off your flip flops and put on a pair of gortex boots, it's probably going to feel like you just stuck your foot in the devil's butt.

[@gandamack1900]

Reuben Bragg:Agree 100%;also folks who make major money off vids have to scramble after awhile to find subjects to cover...Like someone else noted,you’re complaining about wet feet while wading streams w your shoes on...I was in Glacier NP, around Swiftcurrent with gaiters and boots...wet grass was slapping to my knees and had not a drop inside....opinions are something everyone has..When it comes to my gear,I research and make up my own mind👍

[@Jaeger1S]

It truly matters where the liner is sewn into the boot. Most goretex lined boots have the liner sewn in the inside of the upper, creating a sock-like membrane with very little absorbent material in between the liner and the foot. This means that you can very easily dump any water from any deep creek crossings out of the boot and swap in a dry pair of inserts (a good piece of kit to have on any long ruck). In my experience, this has always been faster and more comfortable than relying on ventilated boots drying naturally over time. Then again, I don’t have sweaty feet, so experiences may vary. I’ve actually filled my Lowa Renegade GTX boots and a pair of Salomon X Ultra Aero boots with water, dumped them out, and then tested drying them on my picnic table. The GTX boots dried faster, because they absorbed less water inside the liner before being dumped. The insoles dried at the same rate. Bottom line: for me, GTX boots and spare insoles are the way to go.

[@thomashughes_teh]

I used Gore-Tex lined leather boots that could be resoled. My hikes kept getting postponed but my landscaping jobs just kept coming. I finally got away to the trail again in 2015 with a worn down set of second soles. My feet were dry and warm but I wasn't getting traction from the worn flat Vibram soles. I just "forgot" them next to a motel parking lot on my way out of town one day. Even after many years of daily wear the Gore-Tex and leather was still fully functional. Maybe that had something to do with occasionally blowing the dust out of them with a commercial back worn leaf blower But ditto the dry times and humidity capture on dry days. I would still prefer Gore-Tex in freeze and thaw/ freeze and thaw weather.

[@brokenpencil57]

As I understand Vapor barrier technology, the rate of Moisture Vapor Transfer (MVT) is dependent on the temperature and humidity inside the shoe vs outside air. So Ratings like 15,000 g/m^2 per day are in lab conditions, not a full, hot day of rain. Borrowed from Wiki: Driving Force is the difference in the level of heat and humidity on one side of the material compared to the other side. Also known as the Differential Pressure. By 2nd law of thermodynamics moisture will move towards dry. Therefore, warm, moist air will flow towards cold, dry air until there is an equilibrium. Due to body heat and moisture there is almost always higher heat and humidity inside a clothing system [My comment: except in rainy summer]. This creates a differential pressure forcing the heat and humidity toward the outside. The greater the difference between the heat and humidity inside the clothing system and the outside, the greater the Differential Pressure to push that heat and humidity out. So on a hot, rainy (humidity =100%) summer day, your foot will NOT release sweat to the outside air, there just no driving force. Likely, on hot days (upper 80's, 90's?) the vapor pressure driving force may work in REVERSE as inside your boot may be 'drier' than outside. Same for all rain gear actually. The plus for jackets is their much larger surface area but it still requires a meaningful positive differential to push water vapor out faster than your body creates sweat. Many commenters had good luck with Gortex in winter (very cold, very dry) and that makes sense. Forget it on AT in Georgia summer.

[@Rokaize]

This is an old video but it needs to be said: The military already figured this out a long time ago. The military did a lot of testing on what footwear should be issues in wet conditions. They tried gortex, and realized the boots eventually get soaked anyway, not matter what you do. They then decided to go with the famous jungle boots. They are extremely light, breath exceptionally well, and even have vent holes on the instep in order to push out water. They dry remarkably fast. I've worn jungle boots for hiking and for work for years and never had an issue. My feet get wet, sure, but they also dry out extremely quickly.

[@lokeedmartin]

I don't think the military ever figured out anything, if they would have, why they would keep using guns against each others? :)

[@zheli6070]

Martin Leblon best comment

[@jimgritty7064]

What about cold winter conditions though?

[@Rokaize]

Nathaniel Gritty in cold weather jungle boots suck. Unless you get like really thick socks on.

[@toddeakin2132]

The boots we get supplied currently are danner's with gore-tex. They're bullet proof in my opinion. The only problem I have with them would be paying $360. Nothing will be perfect but lowering expectations and raising tolerance helps.

[@Peppymoke]

Have you tried sealskinz (socks)? It's an attachable membrane when you need it ;)

[@brokenpencil57]

Waterproof socks work great for me. Add only when i need and works with any shoe, quick to dry and allows fully ventilated shoe and dry feet for the lions share of hiking.

[@freddiev3411]

Great info. My personal preference are Salomon Speedcross GTX trail runners. I have owned every Salomon Speedcross GTX model from the 3 through the current Speedcross 5. I have used them in long distance trail-running races in all types of terrain and weather... and I have also hiked in them in snow. Never had an issue with them at all. As you mentioned - everyone has to figure out what works best for them. FYI - I enjoy all your videos - thank you for all the info and advice. Freddie

[@jeanbonneau6711]

Doing race and one day hike like you do. You don't need to care about drying time.

[@antoniabaker7770]

Love my Salamons too. I have 5 pairs.

[@elizabethtirado7225]

What kind of socks do you use?

[@freddiev3411]

Elizabeth Tirado Hi Elizabeth: I used the “Darn Tough Vermont 1/4 Merino Wool Cushion hiking socks”. They are awesome. Hope this helps. Good luck.

[@ggamer7830]

Merino wool socks with goretex boots are really good for overly sweaty feet. My issue is the goretex boots I’ve bought weren’t cheap and spring leaks within a year.

[@robm9581]

i have gortex hunting boots never get wet and with the breathable socks dont sweat. also picked up a pair of nylon gortex hiking shoes for $29 bucks they are a size to big but they never get wet either and i use them for working around house etc. always had good experiences with gortex; rain suits etc never get wet; wives rain coat is 30 yrss old still does the job in the rain.

[@solespecific8271]

Another person who doesn’t understand the technology and uses it incorrectly then decides they’re going to go on a rant about how bad a product is when it’s all user error. First of all Gore Tex is a waterproof membrane that is designed to regulate your foot temperature and evaporate moisture as well. If you’re walking through water that is higher than the membrane itself then yes your feet will get wet. If you’re wearing shorts and have the opening of your shoes exposed, again your feet will get wet. This person wants to have completely dry feet yet wants to walk through rivers and have her shoes exposed to the elements but gets upset when water enters her shoes. Sounds like you should be wearing fishing waders not trail runners. It’s reviews like these from users who know nothing about the products they’re buying that end up giving a brand a bad rep.

[@markalbrechtsen]

You’d rather have cold, wet feet rather than sweaty feet? Crazy. You might want to see a podiatrist.

[@dirtrider88]

you mean psychologist

[@kscott623]

I’m with her. Wet feet would be temporary, if it rains. Hot feet are constant. Some of us just run hot.

[@mr.skeptical3071]

Sorry, but I'm a goretex footwear man! It's warmer, and water proof, I luv it!

[@1997giannis]

what about summer?

[@rahvavaenlane]

Nubuk leather works, treat it with mink oil. Adjusts to your feet, quite water resistant, minimal sweating. Pick shoes with natural lining, no padding and foam middle soles.

[@broadside8326]

hi there👋🏾, i was just about to order myself the garmont nemesis 4.1 gtx boots for everyday use in the upcoming cold weather....... and you just destroyed this idea😄 any suggestion that goes in that direction? light...comfy..."all weather" useable? affordable☝🏾 i dont need them for hiking,normal everyday use only...

[@johneason6540]

I hike in alltra timps, after water crossing my shoes and socks would dried out in about 30 minutes. I love trail runners for comfort and lite weight.

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

Altras have changed my life. After hiking since 1967 in misery, I now hike with a smile on my face. I just wish the sizing were more consistent from year to year and model to model. Oh well...I just by two or three of whatever DOES fit. Wonderful shoes.

[@johneason6540]

@@geraldhenrickson7472 I did just purchased the timps 1.5, new excellent comfort and fit. Took my first 10 hike in them, better my original timps better than lone peaks. I want to try Olympus 3.0 have to order a pair.

[@markcash2]

Yeah, I only want gore-tex in really cold conditions. I loved gore-tex in Wyoming....not so much in South Carolina.

[@gordon4228]

I can see your point Dixie, but for Scotland UK where it is usually cold and wet underfoot Goretex boots are essential. Also i think your wearing shoes not boots advice is scary as if you ever had a bad sprained ankle walking is torturous if not impossible. But for through walks like in the US walking day after day on reasonable paths , yeah i do agreee with you and can see your point overall, keep it going Dixie , love your content..

[@geraldhenrickson7472]

No...waterproof shoes may be essential but not goretex. How did your ancestors survive? Likely some sort of wool lined leather boot I suspect.

[@Bensonbadger]

Agreed. Moved to the Scottish highlands a few years back. I used to hate gortex but now I'm literally rapped in it every time I go outside. My boots are gortex, my trail runners arnt. I do extended walking trips in my boots. The gortex and well maintained leather means I know my feet will be dry at the end of the day. I can walk in the wet and rain for weeks and be dry. Trail runners I use for trail running. My feet get wet but I take them off after a few hours and yes wet trail runners are more comfortable than gortex trail runners . However If you had to wear these shoes wet, day in and day out (And no matter what anyone says you ain't getting soaked shoes dry in a tent in the rain) your feet would rot. The answer is that trail runners are good at trail running. Boots are good for through hikes. Don't think it could get more common sense really. Bad advice.

[@scotttalbot4041]

Gordon, try it mate. I did Scafell Pike last Summer in Trail Runners and it was so much easier! I was literally hopping from boulder to boulder... I was always taught that you should wear boots in the mountains, to protect your ankles, but can honestly say that I felt less likely to lose my balance/fall than I've ever felt in my boots.

[@IamRecon001]

Have to disagree ... I can splash through burns rivers and bogs with impunity, knowing my trail shoes ( Altra’s ) will have vented the water very quickly ... your feet are going to get wet, when it’s wet..... For a short winter climb, by all means knock yourself out in goretex , but 95% of the time in Scottish climate no need to weigh your feet down or have them sweat... 20 mile days with no blisters is also a bonus

[@Johnwilldo]

I would not consider the rocky trails of Pennsylvania "reasonable" grin

[@ThePeabody01]

Good info. My Gore-Tex boots are way too hot I can only wear them in the winter. Had a Gore-Tex jacket it didn't breathe. Much better luck with wool. The wool breathes so much better and dries super quick

[@Y007B]

Hi all :-) ! ...please, I've asked several stores but I can't find stock. Until now I used the Sal0m..n "aero" without goretex, but this year they no longer make them. Merr3ll is out of stock too. I'm looking for something similar, not leather, boots that are made of mesh and very very breathable. Please can you recommend it to me 🙏🏽 (just boots). Thanks!

[@kayveroutdoors5411]

Thanks Dixie for the video! I never considered these issues with gore tex on the feet. I've been having a lot of foot and knee pain keeping me off the trails the way I'd like to be, so Im gonna be doing a lot of experimentation with shoes and insoles to find what's right for me.

[@robertolopezehlen3289]

P.o

[@ZonaDeluxeOficial]

This woman has no idea what she’s talking about 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@skankytrick]

I wear Gore-tex shoes from Arcteryx and they wordk excellently.

[@openmythirdeye]

They work until you submerge them. I bought the Altra trail runners on your recommendation recently. The best feeling shoes I've ever bought!

[@The_Touring_Jedi]

Best Hiking shoes I had was Salewa Alp Trainer GTX Low. This shoes took 5 years of beating and my feet was never wet. You could still buy them as Alp Trainer GTX Mid model.

[@brainfragrances]

been hiking for years in mostly Meindls with goretex, never had any issues with sweat or rain getting in etc. I wonder if you've just had bad products?

[@pete1927]

I can’t believe that I watched that all the way through, every argument you put forward against goretex, you couldn’t counter it because you have the same issue with the other shoes. Top tip sweaty feet use talc or fullers earth dusting. You need to do some time in the services.

[@gravijta936]

First thing I notice is that footwear full of water is heavy.

[@xPumaFangx]

Leather boots with mud stuck all over them is really heavy, as well.

[@leonkappert4475]

@@gravijta936 And leather that becomes wet is a pain in the ass to get dry ;-)

[@bradleyjohnston6112]

Gotta say, my gortex socks are one of my favorite pieces of gear...

[@michael22414]

GTX boots are mega clutch for my cold weather paddle boarding and hiking combos. Utterly perfect.

[@kenjett2434]

I use Gor-Tex boots all the time and prefer them for winter wear. But I an not thru hiking although I do alot of walking. Because I am a avid hunter and spend alot of time in the woods. My go to boots have been Rocky's with Gor-Tex and 1100 grams of thinsulate insulation. Standing in snow all day and my feet never gets cold or wet. But my conditions during hunting isn't quite the same as thru hiking. As for durability not bad I average 5 to 8 years on one pair of boots. They are a bit pricey at $120 when on sale but I have found nothing better for hunting cold weather and because Gor-Tex is breathable even with the insulation I could wear them for work in summer when I was out and needed boots for my job. My feet never got overly hot that is my experience.

[@joejansen1]

Practical advice. Thank ya. Wore Salomon waterproof boots on a Bob Marshall section of the CDT, and those worked out pretty good. Just ordered a pair of Altra Lone Peaks to give them a try. Appreciate your videos.

[@anetazakova8153]

This is so true! I have the same experience. I wish I knew it two pairs of GTX shoes before...

[@vctorgt03]

Which model?

[@BoyanSilyavski]

All this is true, but not for hiking higher than 2000m,

[@Fjallkloka_Aventyr]

why

[@BoyanSilyavski]

@@Fjallkloka_Aventyr In high mountains best is to use MId size Goretex shoes with soft flexible sole and at the same hard rubber grip so rocks does not smash you feet from under when long treks. Like Merrel Mid Grassbow Goretex which i personally find best or Merrell Capra Mid Goretex if you are heavier /wear heavy luggage. These work absolutely well in summer or winter.

[@NordicSnowhammer]

I know this will get some hate but I use waterproof socks. The ones I use are very comfortable, more comfortable than regular hiking socks actually, my feet don't sweat any more than normal, and I don't have to worry about the occasional dunks. They do dry out fairly quickly if you get them near a fire or hang them outside your pack on the next day's hike. Overall...the best thing I've found do deal with keeping your feet dry. Just stay away from neoprene socks. Oh....no blisters! Like, ever.

[@Thankful_n_Grateful]

Excellent... Just The Information I Needed & Wanted... Wish they would make some of the Gore-Tex shoes without Gore-Tex...

[@dtrout]

Interesting. I was very surprised by your opinion / experience with Gore-Tex. For fly fishing waders, rain jackets etc, Gore-tex is essential. And from upland hunting many years ago walking through wet grass on a crisp fall day, I always liked my Gore-Tex boots that did a good job of keeping my feet dry. But those are different experiences / environments. I can see walking through shallow streams and then back on dry dusty trails would be a problem. And I would not want to go barefoot. You must have really tough feet to do that on a rockbed stream. I would have never guessed that there would be all those problems with a gore-tex shoe. Also interesting that you didn't need or like the ankle protection/support. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Very helpful !

[@tictachikes6156]

Just bought a pair of Merrell‘s last month to start in the Sierras this year. Not Gore-Tex so they’ll dry out faster!

[@johnstacy7902]

Those shoes are hard to beat.

[@tictachikes6156]

Palmetto Trekker Merrell Siren Sport Q2 Women’s

[@tictachikes6156]

@Being Here: I actually have narrow feet coming from buying only Salamon’s where possible but when I tried these on they felt like slippers 🥰

[@johnstacy7902]

@@tictachikes6156 having wide feet my options are limited.

[@boxlid214]

@Being Here Same here, buy the standard width Merrells and have worn them for years. Only shoes that ever fit my feet well, stack up the miles, and take a beating. Loved the mid level boots with the 'v' tread on the bottom, and tread reverse direction on the heels. Good stuff!

[@zoodidwa]

Gortex has its place. It's great stuff. Agreed...wet...multi-day/week/month outdoors...hiking...not the place.

[@LairdDavidson]

I've had plenty of Gore Tex boots and shoes and also other waterproof liners. They are great for the first few months. Sweat isn't too much of an issue in temparet climates especially if paired with good socks. However, no matter how much or how little I spent on boots the liner doesn't last for long and water starts seeping through after a few months. I've had more luck with quality smooth leather that you can smother with beeswax regularly.

[@elliottwright3772]

Have you tried Salomon? I bought a pair of GTX Quest 2 boots about 4 years ago. Put them through hundreds of miles in some brutal weather. Only time they've ever wet through was after wading through a river. What's your experience been like with leather boots? I've seen a few nice pairs but haven't gotten around to looking into the benefits/drawbacks.