Why I Gave Up on Firefox: The Shocking Truth Behind My Browser Switch!

[@LinuxRenaissance]

5:36 is where this video “begins”, but there is more opinion on other web browsers before and after the timestamp.

[@Sparky_Otter]

Firefox is the way to go, nobody, not even youtubers are ever gonna make me switch. Chrome, and all other chromium based browsers I will stay far away from them.

[@tomaszgora4353]

How about zen?

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Sparky, I don’t want you to switch! ❤️

[@5DimesPlayer]

about:telemetry on Firefox is kind of questionable

[@attill2508]

enjoy the ram leak, furry

[@eng3d]

@@5DimesPlayer Firefox circus: Fire the founders for woke reasons. Fire developers and embrace DEI Creates +5 forks of the project (Android had at some time 2 different Firefox), then closes many of them. Embrace Google rules, it breaks thousands of add-ins. It starts harassing add-in developers

[@MAXIMILI]

Hey, a few things about that 130 tab list button in Firefox. As of 131 release, the icon is back to simple arrow, and you now can freely remove it with "Customize toolbar" or even move it to different place - replace useless Firefox View with it for example.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Thanks a lot for this info! Someone else already replied me with this, but I appreciate it nevertheless. This new option is even easier to use. I know it's a silly thing, I admit it, but I really did not want that button :D

[@MAXIMILI]

​@@LinuxRenaissance no worries. Honestly, I had the same reaction to this change, first to the icon, then to the inability to hide this ugliness at all.

[@guruware8612]

If you have too much tabs open, you have another problem than using a browser - how many icons you have on the desktop ? For the free software nerds: Nobody wants to pay, but developers also need to feed their families. So some big companies "donate" huge sums for development. And then the complaints start, that this companies dictate the direction of your "free" product. Some demand "free energy", but who will pay workers building the infrastructure ? Nothing is really free.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I think we are too reliant on modern web browsers and cutting-edge tech. None of that should matter.

[@saberpeep]

With how small firefox's market share is, a clickbait video like this is just punching down. Shame on you.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

How do we make it bigger?

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

@@LinuxRenaissance that is the thing, sadly it is a problem we can not really solve. The fact of the matter is that so many downloads and devices are used by people who do not have much of a care to learn about different browsers or why they should use some and not others. Especialy when you look at what you might find in offices and corporations who often use chrome as they prioritize its user friendly interface that their employees can operate easily, despite their knowledge level of computers and technology and after chrome you see a lot of safari and edge and that is just because those are default browsers on the two major OS.

[@TheFalseShepphard]

By using Zen

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@TheFamousMockingbird most of my friends use whatever is default on Windows and Mac.

[@raughboy188]

I am using zen as my web browser. It takes bit of time to learn using it but it's amazing. I use zen with combo of adguard and pi hole for zero ads experience.

[@spacefacts1681]

i clicked because of the extreme aura radiating from the thumbnail

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Did it shine all the way outside your browser frame? 😳

[@johnstevens8168]

Thamks for the tip... I am going to try the Brave browser.

[@oflameo8927]

I left Firefox like 4 years ago because it got really bad with printing. I switched to Chromium.

[@rts3763]

You can get rid of the chevron by right clicking on the tab bar, clicking Customize Toolbar, then drag it out of the tab bar. Also I'd recommend LibreWolf of GNU IceCat. If you really want a hard fork of Firefox try Pale Moon, it is an older fork and is much different than base firefox now.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Now that I am happy with how Brave works I can start checking-out some more browsers so I have installed Zen, LibreWolf and Floorp again. But Firefox 132 has restored the option to remove the button.

[@SkyTechLover]

I went from Chrome to Mozilla after years on it. The reason? Privacy mainly. Also I ditched google for duck duck go.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I have been on DDG for ~7 years and I have no regrets.

[@off_Planet]

Futile. You gain nothing and you will never make a change.

[@MunchieLuknight]

i always used Opera since the 90s but now i use brave. if something annoys me about a browser i can never fully switch and always fall back to what i was using. this is the first time ive been able to switch without going back

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Clearly I like to tinker and try out new stuff. But Brave's Shields are pretty well done! I will want to replicate them in the next browser which I will want to test.

[@GoolagThemTube]

Firefox actually works though with the modern web. Gnome web, Falkon and similar browsers don't in many ways. They're fun to play around with, but using them long term on a daily basis doesn't really work.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Gnome web being Webkit powered I figured it would at least open every page that Safari can…

[@GoolagThemTube]

@@LinuxRenaissance Yea, but that's definitely not my experience. But maybe it's gotten a lot better now. I haven't tried it out for a few years now. Primarily because I think the Gnome DE is a pile of poo. The last time I tried it out it was called Epiphany or something similar.

[@GoolagThemTube]

Floorp is a highly customizable fork of Firefox with additional features. It's not a regular "soft" fork. But I guess that depends on your definition.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

It’s pretty good, actually. Silly name. I used it for a while and could not really make up an opinion on it. It is customizable to a degree, but it does not feel like it is bringing up anything new to the table. Ladybird might, in a couple of years.

[@GoolagThemTube]

@@LinuxRenaissance No browser really brings anything new to the table these days. Just make sure that the browser is at least somewhat decent from a privacy perspective. That's really all that matters. Otherwise they're pretty much all the same. A web browser is a web browser.

[@glatkobrasno]

No one can make me switch from Firefox. However, i keep a Brave install for usage with ms teams.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I am testing Librewolf on FreeBSD at the moment, as they don’t have Brave on their package manager.

[@TestAccount666]

I switched from Firefox to Floorp a while ago. Reason for this was just to try something new. I don't think I'll be joining the chromium people anytime soon (Especially when looking at what they're doing to adblockers...)

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Well, that’s why Vivaldi and Brave are doing their own security with the built-in adblock which is quite good. My issue with Chromium based browsers in general is that by using them I am contributing to various browser marketshare stats which reinforce Google’s grip on the web. That is the actual problem. Floorp is good.

[@TheAltair033]

Firefox still does not have tab groups

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I think one of Firefox forks does, Floorp maybe. Not sure.

[@huljaxful]

It's been almost five years since i switched to linux and firefox as a browser. I even use the mobile one. I don't use Google search. I was considering switching on the desktop to just chromium. But with google v3 extension madness I don't think it's an option. On mobile it's even worse, so I'm gonna stick with firefox. It's the only thing left as an alternative to the chromium based browsers. Ok, webkit but it's capped at apple products basically.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Firefox is a good choice. Probably the only correct choice, for now (including forks). But I have to try everything.

[@JoeHakai]

funny enough i only have one slight issue with brave and that is that i can.t have the download button on the side bar all the time like in chrome when i used that and its only appears when i have downloaded something its not something i would change browser over just an shame since i have so much free real estate there anyways that i wish it was an option

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I know we all have different habits, but I kinda like clean interface with less buttons. Download is on CTRL+J on all browsers, I believe?

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

I'm patiently waiting for Ladybird. Maybe I should just switch to some firefox fork. I use Falkon on my Debian secondary mini laptop. Quite fun

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Looks like Firefox fixed my button. But I have to test most of it what is out there, for experience so I will probably check out all the Firefox forks in due time. Ladybird can’t come soon enough! We need another contender.

[@IceBlade1992]

oh ok i appreshiate your dedication to us who comment but i am fine to be left out of it.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Appologies. Will not include from now on.

[@IceBlade1992]

hmm maby i need to refrase what i ment was i am not commenting for fame i just want to shit post random comments wen ever so some one can have my spot. PS. Mullvad for the win!

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@@IceBlade1992 ah, okay. I thought you were telling me to leave you out because you don't want to be listed. Either way, I am doing the list manually, for now, but I am also learning KZbin API so I can make an automated script for that. I will make sure I have the option to "blacklist" names that their owners have expressed their wish not to be included.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@IceBlade1992 I rushed yesterdays video, I forgot to remove you. 🙈

[@olliestudio45]

finally got my two seconds of fame! So speaking of Firefox, what do we think about zen browser?

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Congrats! Hehe. I haven’t tried Zen but the Internet says that it is not as customisable as Floorp is, which I did use for a while. I would need to put Zen in use in order to have any opinion. From the current perspective I am unsure it would be for me, but never say never.

[@landlocked4771]

I don't eat alot of spagetti, once in a while its good but just looking at it, it reminds me of a big plate of google.

[@szoltan8347]

Same here, switched from Firefox to Brave but my reasoning is: because Brave is much faster on KZbin.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I did notice that, but I did not think it's a Firefox issue.

[@AlexanderSamarth]

Vivaldi is amazing.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

It’s pretty good! I wonder if they have the balls to make it free software in the future?

[@AlexanderSamarth]

@@LinuxRenaissance yeah idk... I wonder, can't they make it some license where the code is freely available but the competition cannot use it? I can't really use any other browser after a couple of years on Vivaldi, it would be too hard to replace.. Brave is my backup.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@AlexanderSamarth no, unfortunately the idea behind a free-software license is that everyone can benefit from your code.

[@sn0n]

Iirc chromium had to remove the Google sign in option recently ish

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Thank you very much! I haven’t used Chromium for a while so I didn’t know this useful info.

[@alliboogaloo]

Nice and refreshing take with real experience. Keep it up!

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Thank you very much!

[@unixviking]

Hi, I donated a little something for your ThinkPad. Btw: Firefox forever! 😉

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Thank you very much! P.S. Wiener Schnitzel was quite good the last time I was hungry in your country. I forgot the name of the place, but I will order that again next time :D

[@unixviking]

@@LinuxRenaissance You can't go far wrong with a Wiener schnitzel. Originally it should be made with veal, but most restaurants make it with pork because it's cheaper.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@ in my case… I like pork, so it was a match.

[@unixviking]

@@LinuxRenaissance Yes, then everything is fine! I only make it with pork at home too (ok, so actually my girlfriend, not me), and I LOVE it. I could eat it every day.

[@capi_nemoo]

this guy is 🗿

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Stone head?

[@TheFalseShepphard]

🗿

[@czarsquid855]

4 minutes in and you spent more time advertising. Sorry, but if you can't get to the main point to describe why then I'm not going to spend 18 minutes listening why firefox is mildly inconvenient.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

That is OK, I accept this critique. I am still learning what viewers like. I added a pinned reply with where the video actually begins, for the next person who is not interested in the introduction. That OK?

[@olliestudio45]

currently using brave, zen browser, librewolf and opera... and firefox now and then

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Stacked! ❤️

[@olliestudio45]

@@LinuxRenaissance and edge 😅

[@barmalini]

Can there really be a better reason to leave Firefox than because some guy cosplaying red riding hood said so?

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Absolutely no. This is the best reason!

[@barmalini]

@@LinuxRenaissance sorry for you then

[@l4nc]

Saying free you mean foss? not freeware? Also You didn't name Librewolf and ungoogled-chromium. There is no good browser nowadays but I have faith in those two. Need mention that Firefox usage in the market is 2-4% don't like their sneaky attacks on privacy and apologies. I am waiting for a change in the market but chromium had around 70%. I don't believe that any fork can write its own code which is not a built-in extension or just own adjust option. Brave had a previous shady history so I am not trust them, but still brave/vivaldi is reasonable option.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

Yes, I usually mean "free software" as defined by the Free Software Foundation, rather than just "freeware." That’s why I tend to avoid saying FOSS and might even start saying "libre software" more consistently. As for Brave vs. Vivaldi, the reason I highlighted Brave is because its code is libre. This, at least in theory, should help mitigate concerns about the company’s history, but if I'm wrong here, I'd love to know more. Brave’s built-in content blocking is, in my opinion, better than tweaking ungoogled-chromium with extensions to achieve similar results. Librewolf is a solid choice, but I feel like it doesn’t add much beyond removing Mozilla's influence from Firefox. For example, Firefox recently restored my ability to remove certain interface buttons I didn’t want, while Librewolf hasn't yet included that update. This isn't just about the button-it points to the reality that Librewolf is still largely a soft fork of Firefox.

[@l4nc]

​@@LinuxRenaissance LibreWolf is about 3 days behind Firefox main version, I have checked 132.0-1, and it doesn't have auto-updates so that might give the impression of using old software. You have more control over updating. It is always two ways of customization adding or removing things, it's a personal choice. I always used Brave with ublock origin so I can't say if build in adblock is better or not but I can assume v3 could mix things between competition in blockers.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

@@l4nc this is my bad completely, I apologize. I did not update my Librewolf before my previous comment. I have updated it now and I got the feature which I expected.

[@Bradly105]

Nice bread.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

🥖 thanks! 🫶🏻

[@josmoify]

that silly red hat on head is like shit my little yid .

[@LinuxRenaissance]

It covers my bald head, so that’s a plus.

[@josmoify]

@@LinuxRenaissance nice comeback ! lol

[@dansanger5340]

I always just go with the default browser on whatever platform I'm using (Edge on Windows, Firefox on Linux, Safari on Mac) and I hardly ever notice the difference. Most web browsers these days are pretty much the same.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

It's mostly true, yes.

[@Phjghh]

Next, give up on your red hat.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

I have a bad haircut.

[@drkalamity4518]

Completely clickbait title. Skip this one.

[@leggysoft]

Firefox is great, all web browsers are fine, web developers are just 99% awful, any clean simple well designed website runs perfectly on any browser, even IE6 circa 2001.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

You are very correct. But the problem with Google is that they are trying to steer the web into their direction of benefit, so it seems wise to fight that off. Which means we should use Firefox more.

[@leggysoft]

@@LinuxRenaissance Yes google also works with trendy JS frameworks to make their mess as chrome-centric as possible.

[@Tuckerslam]

Firefox is not muh open sores free speshul software. It's literally paid for and therefore owned by Google.

[@LinuxRenaissance]

They did go quite corporate feels.