Why I Hate B-Plots

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Jacob Tyler Mowery

Jacob Tyler Mowery

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@TylerMowery
@TylerMowery 3 жыл бұрын
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@cjkalandek996
@cjkalandek996 3 жыл бұрын
I _do_ hate it when scripts include a B-plot for a romance just because they feel their script is "obligated" to have a romance.
@shiawasekappukekiful
@shiawasekappukekiful 3 жыл бұрын
Whether it's the lgbt one from The New Mutants or the random one from Isle of Dogs write better folks
@MuffinEnjoyer
@MuffinEnjoyer 2 жыл бұрын
@@shiawasekappukekiful isle of dogs is great
@shiawasekappukekiful
@shiawasekappukekiful 2 жыл бұрын
@@MuffinEnjoyer it’s pretty fucking great
@jayfolk
@jayfolk 3 жыл бұрын
Fast Food: "#1 Combo, Medium Fry and a Coke. Is that right sir?" Tyler: "But does it have a *Core Philosophical Conflict?"* Great videos. Thank you again.
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 3 жыл бұрын
69th like. Nice.
@chrisp3564
@chrisp3564 3 жыл бұрын
I think Whiplash is a great example for a good "B-Plot". The love story perfectly shows how far Andrew is wanting to go with his beliefs.
@shreyassingh3236
@shreyassingh3236 3 жыл бұрын
Technically it isn't a b-plot as his love interest also represents her own beliefs regarding the philosophical conflict of greatness, right? I still have a long way to go in screenwriting
@tomerfeller9993
@tomerfeller9993 3 жыл бұрын
@@shreyassingh3236 well, in terms of this video and the definition B plot by tyler, and specifically a right B plot, yes it actually is. the main external conflict is with fletcher and the rest of music school, while the fact that when he spends time with nicole (i think that was her name?) is a totally unrelated thing but is still challenging andrew's beliefs and goals, it becomes b plot in a way. of course you could say that he broke up with her so he could focus on music school, but at the end of the day we're still talking about the same universe, story and perspective so it all has to connect in some way so it would work.
@alexispapageorgiou72
@alexispapageorgiou72 3 жыл бұрын
That's a small part of what it does. It actually lights a flashlight to his disconnect with "normality" due to the extreme training methods. Never saw that as a mistake, but come to think of it, if that love interest was stronger, the story would've been much stronger and I realize I'm talking about whiplash. Maybe I'm imagining a different story...
@tomerfeller9993
@tomerfeller9993 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexispapageorgiou72 well that would make for a new conflict wouldn't it? Im guessing the point of chazelle writing it the way he did was to be a Subplot rather then a toatlly other plot (when im saying plot i reffer to a storyline that revolves one conflict), so it would only highlight Andrewcs arc as another action against the main force of antagonism which is, in his view at this part of the film, his lack of focus on practice
@alexispapageorgiou72
@alexispapageorgiou72 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomerfeller9993 Maybe...
@grassrootsfilm
@grassrootsfilm 3 жыл бұрын
You're making a great point, but I was hoping to learn more after you first told it, while I felt like you merely repeated yourself after that. I would've rather seen it analyzed further or seen an example or sth.
@TheSchnitzelable
@TheSchnitzelable 3 жыл бұрын
what i think he has it covered in other videos not especially B-plots but everything should propel the story that is what he meant by forcing a love story just because... it can be a love story but the story or the character has to benefit from it or it should reflect his state of mind or believes and probably changing his values as a part of character arc
@atomicdancer
@atomicdancer 3 жыл бұрын
My hatred of bee plots: "Oh no, not the bees! Not the bees! Aaaaahhhhh! Oh, they're in my eyes! My eyes! Aaaahhhhh! Aaaaagghhh!"
@grantbardsley2401
@grantbardsley2401 3 жыл бұрын
Lmaooo
@makchot3263
@makchot3263 3 жыл бұрын
Cringe
@justjulijack
@justjulijack 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@capybaratherapy7970
@capybaratherapy7970 3 жыл бұрын
Just an example: In interstellar the B-plot is Dr Brand's love for Dr Edmunds, and it works because the B-plot challenges Cooper's way of thinking and supports the theme (love being a part of science and transcending all dimensions, or something like that). I could be wrong, I dunno.
@DoukrasMali
@DoukrasMali 3 жыл бұрын
You're right.
@ЖудаМ
@ЖудаМ 3 жыл бұрын
I used a B-Plot to my script because it was totally linked to the main plot, showed many sides of the two main characters and aspects that wouldnt appear naturally with other characters. Basically shows their growth along their Journey, and from the franchise I am trying to build, they are the most important aspect. And I fully agree with you, we never should add something for obligation or because is cool for the sake of cool, it needs to have meaning in the story as a whole, and for the characters involved. If not, it will be flat, boring, cliche and cringe.
@maybeitsceline
@maybeitsceline 3 жыл бұрын
So you hate unnecessary subplots or subplots that exist for the sole purpose of adding pages ✍🏼 got it
@ObscureOutlaw
@ObscureOutlaw 2 жыл бұрын
is that bad?
@Nerf_Jeez
@Nerf_Jeez 3 жыл бұрын
Love also does not happen randomly and should never just be between the main male and female characters for the sake of a little spice; Thing is that, love is quite deliberate and practical as it's essentially a form of great admiration of a person which leads to a want to protect, help and to be with that person. It involves certain traits or beliefs that both lovers seek from each other. A guy who thinks that being altruistic and putting others before yourself is the right way to live will fall for just that type of girl. And not just some random randy who decides to flirt for a bit. But if the altruistic girl is looking for a grand visionary on a mission to change the world, she might not like the first guy. It's a great joy to be admired and put on a pedestal by the person you admire and have put on a pedestal. Now that's a strong relationship. I believe love to be a clearly philosophical process because of this search for a person who practically reaffirms your view of the world and the right way to live just by existing which leads you to wish them to be happy, as to prolong that security of beliefs, to prove them, and to reward the other person for following 'the right way'. If two people believe the same thing it's more likely that their view is at least a little objective. More objective than the view of a single person. (pun not intended) And isn't that what everyone wants? To objectively know the world and thus to excell in it. That's why we tell stories, isn't it? The views of both lovers can be similar enough for love to ensue but that still leaves plenty of room for conflict between them, which is, of course, as Tyler has taught us, the real meat of the story. just don't make love random ok? purposeful love for a purposeful story
@markparkinson6947
@markparkinson6947 3 жыл бұрын
I like how you title this video preferentially by saying that "I do not like something", rather than saying authoritatively, "It should be done this way", like you do in a good portion of your videos.
@huckwalton2307
@huckwalton2307 Жыл бұрын
I like how Blake Snyder puts the b-story after the break into act 2, because this ensures your protagonist has agency in there break into the second act, causing them to meet someone who will be important to there quest.
@oliverhanson634
@oliverhanson634 3 жыл бұрын
IMO, the best instance of creating a love interest character has to be "The Fly" The main conflict in the movie involves Jeff Goldblum slowly destroying itself, which on its own really wouldn't be much, but with the added benefit of a love interest you see the conflict of their relationship falling apart as the protagonist himself falls apart, which adds a new level of weight to the story. Most importantly it creates a more human element to the story
@emiliomanueldepedro9650
@emiliomanueldepedro9650 3 жыл бұрын
I would like you to make a video on how to create a good villain and another on how to write a dark story
@FlowUrbanFlow
@FlowUrbanFlow 3 жыл бұрын
It's so hard to make a good villian. It's hard to make a justifyable evil
@jurelkirklandfilms2510
@jurelkirklandfilms2510 3 жыл бұрын
@@FlowUrbanFlow just make him really nice to his family but a dick to everyone else
@istochgoed
@istochgoed 3 жыл бұрын
On how to create a good villain I would suggest watching one of the first video's from Lessons From The Screenplay about The Dark Knight. There are also elements to be found on how to write a suspenseful dark story in his video's dealing with The Shining and Inglourious Basterds. However, I'm also very curious what Tyler would bring to the table :)
@quieracollins5127
@quieracollins5127 3 жыл бұрын
A good villain is person who believes their doing good for the story ! example: wife leaves emotionally unavailable husband for another man her husband believes he has the right to kill them both instead of taking responsibility for the reason she left and moving on with his life he try’s to end her’s
@spbspb2413
@spbspb2413 3 жыл бұрын
i think a good villain is someone who is not evil for the sake of it and also has a good side. Has a good goal, but the approach may not be socially acceptable. Another way is to just make them interesting to look at, they don't have to be good at all or have a good goal, if the character is enjoyable on screen.
@therohanexperiment2993
@therohanexperiment2993 3 жыл бұрын
Teacher : what is twinkle twinkle little stars about? Tyler : Its clearly an alegory about mans desire to dicover space
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 3 жыл бұрын
Twibkle
@therohanexperiment2993
@therohanexperiment2993 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomEyeTheSFMguy yeah yeah i noticed
@shiningtriumph
@shiningtriumph 3 жыл бұрын
If the main character tries to impress his love interest and she starts challenging his perception of love. Wouldn't this add to the story's conflict (If the story is not about romance lets say). We are still reflecting the traits of our protagonist isn't it?
@Emannzo
@Emannzo 3 жыл бұрын
You're a great student and that's why you're a great teacher. Thanks for your videos my man.
@dajex16
@dajex16 3 жыл бұрын
Damn dude, I don’t understand why you don’t have more views/likes! This is so freaking helpful in so many ways.
@YouCanCallMeCaius
@YouCanCallMeCaius 3 жыл бұрын
I genuinely LOVE the similarities to the actor's work here. What must you over come? vs waffling or in this case padding out with irrelevant story that does not lead to the main objective. Great post...as always!
@cdscissor
@cdscissor 3 жыл бұрын
I feel B-plots are completely unnecessary in most media where there's a b-plot. Except for Phineas and Ferb, where the b-plot is completely integrated with the a-plot that it just wouldn't work without a b-plot. And yes before anyone says it, Phineas and Ferb often also feature a C-plot along with the A and B-plot.
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 3 жыл бұрын
Lemme guess. The B-Plot is with Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry the Platypus.
@cdscissor
@cdscissor 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomEyeTheSFMguy A-plot is whatever Phineas and Ferb are doing, B-plot is exactly what you said Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Perry the Platypus, and the C-plot is whatever Candance is planning to bust her brothers. All three plots work together and it's beautiful.
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 3 жыл бұрын
@@cdscissor yeah.
@tomerfeller9993
@tomerfeller9993 3 жыл бұрын
you know you've learned well from Tyler when you hear about a guy trying to just fill up the script to a specific page number and you already say to yourself "well that's just adding things without supporting the character's main conflict!" thanks Tyler, for keeping on showing me how I improved because of you
@cjpreach
@cjpreach 3 жыл бұрын
Tyler. I totally agree! If your script (or novel) is shorter than you desire, add ONLY material that contributes to the core of your story. FIND a way to add depth, but never "fluff."
@supersonicstudios1396
@supersonicstudios1396 3 жыл бұрын
hey would you be interested in talking more about tv writing, and how the writing process and format changes and says the same.
@filmstonereviews4018
@filmstonereviews4018 3 жыл бұрын
Question: What are your thoughts on anthology films where for these types of stories there is always more than one storyline?
@calebim-th2iq
@calebim-th2iq 3 жыл бұрын
i think unless those stories are connected in some way, it doesnt matter
@m430d3
@m430d3 3 жыл бұрын
So I guess this is why Hawkeye, Cora love story didnt jibe for some reviewers in the film version of the Last of the Mohicans. The main conflict was right there in the title, and it pulled focus away from it.
@grantlopez6797
@grantlopez6797 3 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking a lot about subplots recently. This video came just at the right time! Love your videos, keep up the great work!
@leesanofficial50
@leesanofficial50 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to be here. 😄
@DoukrasMali
@DoukrasMali 3 жыл бұрын
McKee says in "Story" that B-Plots should challenge the main plot. Awesome video.
@tigolbittys4997
@tigolbittys4997 3 жыл бұрын
Best b-plot is in the manga Prison School, where the principal has an entire side story where he gets amnesia and goes on a batshit adventure and it has no relation to the main story until the end
@howedaddy6122
@howedaddy6122 3 жыл бұрын
Videogames sometimes have great B-plots because they have to have them. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a great example of great B-plot.
@kishormepal2513
@kishormepal2513 3 жыл бұрын
Great information provided by B- pilots nice brother love you Jay hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@alexispapageorgiou72
@alexispapageorgiou72 3 жыл бұрын
I personally like to think of all stories as a tree, whatever type one decides. And like trees, you have branches and branches, that may represent tension in the main narrative with characters coming in and out and interact with the main characters, or they may be a b-story whatever, with or without the participation of the main character or characters. However separated they may appear to be from the main narrative, I've never seen a branch just float next to a tree. They should somehow or in various ways, resonate with the main story. Maybe it's via a specific theme, or cause something the effect of which will appear later in the story, or, or, or ... Come to think of it, after so many stories told, this is certainly an area where fresh ideas can grow.
@justinwallace269
@justinwallace269 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agreed. The only time I allow myself to accept a B-Plot is when I'm in the brain storming phase or maybe a rough draft - knowing full well that it will have to be addressed and properly integrated later. It's not bad or idea dumping, but definitely not a finished product.
@john80944
@john80944 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how you would see The Wall in a show named Solar Opposites.
@AMonkeysDoneItMedia
@AMonkeysDoneItMedia 3 жыл бұрын
Great concise advice on this. Wish more screenwriters knew this.
@adamfrederick9643
@adamfrederick9643 3 жыл бұрын
A movie that handles its B-plot perfectly is THE MIGHTY QUINN (1989), written by Hampton Fancher, the writer of Blade Runner. Highly recommend watching it.
@odin175lorenz5
@odin175lorenz5 3 жыл бұрын
Ore Shadow from 2018
@stagelinedpro
@stagelinedpro 3 жыл бұрын
Someone should have told this to sitcom writers a long time ago.
@authorrobjohnson3178
@authorrobjohnson3178 3 жыл бұрын
The thing with sitcom writers is that they all have to follow a formula. They're conveyor belt scripts. They have to fart one out really quick and don't have to worry so much about quality.
@EdgeOfEntropy17
@EdgeOfEntropy17 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, sitcom's are quite genius BECAUSE OF the B-Plot, if done properly. For example, they will tie together two storylines through a specific theme. For example: Character A is going through a tough time because his wife wants a divorce. The B-Plot may have a story where an older character needs to be alone but has tons of grandchildren running around on the holidays. These two stories could bring a satisfying end to one another, where Character A can express his problem to the second Character and they learn from each others pain of how to deal with their own personal issue. Character A could learn that over time you will develop the need to be alone, and having no wife or children could be beneficial. Character B could learn that life is meaningless without carrying on your line. Sorry if this was too long.
@authorrobjohnson3178
@authorrobjohnson3178 3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgeOfEntropy17 very true, but if done properly. However, they do usually follow a formula. Usually, it ends with the characters resolving their differences in the end.
@DomeNation
@DomeNation 3 жыл бұрын
@@EdgeOfEntropy17 so true!
@agehaynes7620
@agehaynes7620 2 жыл бұрын
I do alot of b plots in my scripts to my main character in long feature length
@rayanater123
@rayanater123 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Tyler, you are exceptionally helpful as always
@chrisrock6391
@chrisrock6391 3 жыл бұрын
In the 2017 film baby driver staring Ansel Elgort it's about a getaway driver but the plot shifts when he meets Deborah at a dinner and decides he wants To quit his life off crime to be whit her. does the romance in this film count As a B-plot?
@brodympat
@brodympat 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure, but I think that she’s a part of the main plot because she isn’t really a conflict for Baby in any way. She’s just his reason/motivation for leaving the life of crime.
@brodympat
@brodympat 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe if she was actually causing Baby to change his mind about crime and testing his beliefs, she’d be a B-plot, but he already was wanting to quit. She was just extra.
@djayscandalous4091
@djayscandalous4091 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question on pacing for a tv show, does every season have episodes pertaining to that rising action, falling action, etc or does every episode have its own climax, falling action or resolution to the bigger climax and falling action of the season. For example let’s say I have my whole narrative written down from start, middle and end. Now I want to tell that narrative through a series of episodes. Am I going to group the episodes into sections such as the first 3 episodes are gonna be the introduction, the next 4 are rising action and etc, or is there another way I’m not mentioning?
@tilix4
@tilix4 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, I fully agree! BTW, I just realized that you symbolize conflict with two crossing swords, which is irrelevant with your speech through the videos. Crossing swords implies "conflict" in a meaning of "fight" (mostly against someone else), which is wrong, a fight is an event, not a dilemma. If a "conflict" is rather a "choice", the symbol you could use is a path panel. (I'm not english, I hope the words I used are accurate :) )
@constantiniandolino3071
@constantiniandolino3071 3 жыл бұрын
talking about pages, how do I know how "long" my idea is? I had a screenplay, that I thought would be around 75ish pages but turned out to be barely 40.
@gerardomiranda1491
@gerardomiranda1491 3 жыл бұрын
What on your thoughts on east Asia film making style? What can we learn from them that can benefit our story?
@tomerfeller9993
@tomerfeller9993 3 жыл бұрын
i was wondering if you could make a video about your thoughts on writing with the end in mind and trying to get your main character to that point in their arc while keeping it logical and keeping the character true to it's nature
@BarelyEvenAnything
@BarelyEvenAnything 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you get those posters??
@TheSchnitzelable
@TheSchnitzelable 3 жыл бұрын
My B-plot is the theme being expressed in this small side story following the main plot and reflecting the twists and progress and showing the change of the character, his transformation. instead of forcing the character telling himself how he changed and forcing him to prove something at the end of the story, we see it through the whole story thanks to the B-plot, it is an educative story unrelated to the main plot so the main plot can be changed or withdrawn but the theme will stay so its kinda more important like you dont know what really changed the main characters believes if it was the main or the B-plot
@ilovepavement1
@ilovepavement1 Жыл бұрын
What if the B plot character doesn't know the A character and (for say, the first 3/4s of the film) has nothing to do with the main external conflict? And can he or she still challenge the character's beliefs?
@m.mishra9133
@m.mishra9133 3 жыл бұрын
didn't realize i was doing it in my own story to reach a target of 90 pages. It was a rubbish b-plot that the story had nothing to do with.
@محمدعبدالوهابعبدالحليم
@محمدعبدالوهابعبدالحليم 3 жыл бұрын
My novel is about trust in courage I added love story to put his girl in danger to show how brave he is? Interested in hearing your opinion.
@tyshaia
@tyshaia Жыл бұрын
Very helpful guidance!
@JaspreetSinghArtist
@JaspreetSinghArtist 3 жыл бұрын
0:53 every Bollywood movie is like that 😂😂😂
@bisheshshakya9417
@bisheshshakya9417 3 жыл бұрын
Indian audience: Glamour toh chahiya na bhai😂😂
@Abby-ix3gs
@Abby-ix3gs 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would be great, and more helpful, to have some examples of good B-plots. "Beliefs being challenged" doesn't really help me, because I guess I'm trying to think of the main goal of the protagonist, and their efforts being thwarted. Anyways, all of your other videos I've seen have been greatly helpful to me though. Thanks! :)
@kanarijones5658
@kanarijones5658 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Series' that have multiple stories then?
@zechariab1769
@zechariab1769 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tyler, can you please post your videos on Bit Chute also?
@fotismichael1877
@fotismichael1877 3 жыл бұрын
Aristotle would agree
@dullboy475
@dullboy475 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another video
@applepie1272
@applepie1272 3 жыл бұрын
Lotr b plot though...
@padalasawtvik1795
@padalasawtvik1795 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering what is the movie poster exactly behind him🤔
@rafaelguetta1139
@rafaelguetta1139 3 жыл бұрын
Breaking Bad 1:39
@padalasawtvik1795
@padalasawtvik1795 3 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelguetta1139 hey TQ and nice observation by the way...
@kayligo
@kayligo 3 жыл бұрын
Drive, breaking bad and parasite
@nycsuperagent
@nycsuperagent 3 жыл бұрын
How many pages would a screenplay need to be to roughly equal a 1hr movie?
@RachelBatemanBooks
@RachelBatemanBooks 3 жыл бұрын
General rule of thumb is 1 page = 1 minute screen time. So if you want a 1-hour movie, you’re looking at a 60-page screenplay.
@MathieuRousseau
@MathieuRousseau 3 жыл бұрын
For example, do you think in avengers infinity war, the backstory of Thanos & gamora and her sacrifice would be a B-plot that will impact thanos belief about his purpose and make him pay the price....what do you think?
@oscarluckin1625
@oscarluckin1625 3 жыл бұрын
That’s not a B plot, it’s a development of the villain, his conflict and struggle is with killing gamora not killing the avengers, that’s evident by his dialogue.
@calebim-th2iq
@calebim-th2iq 3 жыл бұрын
this tests if thanos is willing to sacrifice this much in order achieve this goal, so it works. but i dont really think that this feels like a "B-plot", but i think this is another reason why it works, bc it doesnt feel like another force scene that was artificially injected into the script, it is an actual part of the story
@albertmailyan9680
@albertmailyan9680 3 жыл бұрын
Great timing as always!! ։D :D
@jambaltserensengeravdan805
@jambaltserensengeravdan805 2 жыл бұрын
Do all movies have to have b plots?
@carlalees7338
@carlalees7338 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to get involved with Tyler’s course but unfortunately my parents don’t support my dream of writing and I don’t have any money. Does anyone know of any free writing resources for me so I can still somehow pursue my dream?
@hanfenis5941
@hanfenis5941 3 жыл бұрын
Just write a lot, read a lost/watch movies/series etc and compare your own writing to it Also try to get well meaning people to read your work and tell you their opinion Writing is a skill you have to practice, courses will only help in the sense of giving you ideas how it CAN be done
@dylanbartley9866
@dylanbartley9866 3 жыл бұрын
Restart script reading live stream, when?
@TimRG
@TimRG 3 жыл бұрын
The best explanation for why not to just add characters into a story.
@CineGorilla
@CineGorilla 3 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos!! Too bad I am italian and I cannot attend your screenwriting course :-(
@benjaminread5287
@benjaminread5287 3 жыл бұрын
So what do you do of your finding it hard to fill in gaps in a story? And also is it not OK to have characters that aren't the main character that don't necessarily challenge them? Like they might be an exploration of another theme or an investible character in their own right.
@oscarluckin1625
@oscarluckin1625 3 жыл бұрын
If you have gaps in your story it is more an issue of whether or not you’ve created enough of a narrative for your character. You always want to test their beliefs and challenge them, if you are having trouble then it means you don’t know where your story is going and you need to figure that out before you write the next scene. Also it is okay to have characters that don’t challenge your protagonist but it depends on their purpose. If they represent a different aspect that the main character does not then you need to question how the main character would act around someone who is dealing with a different situation than their own. This could mean they argue or it could mean your protagonist becomes more open and comforting around them, you chose what’s best for the story.
@benjaminread5287
@benjaminread5287 3 жыл бұрын
@@oscarluckin1625 well the storys I have the 'gap problem' with are ones where I do have a clear ending and I have a clear start. My problem is that I don't know how to fill the gap in a meaningful way and I don't know how to make sure my characters have developed as much as I need them to for the finale.
@oscarluckin1625
@oscarluckin1625 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminread5287 so if you have a clear start and end you will need to figure out specific story beats which will express how you are exploring your characters theme and how he will change over time. If a story is well crafted you will see the character shift slightly within scenes, so you want to focus on giving your character problems in which he has to solve. Let’s say your character has a phobia of water. The first instance you will surround them with water and they won’t react well. After that your character won’t have changed and that become their flaw. Beyond that your ‘gaps’ will be scenes further ahead where your character must learn to react differently to a situation in order to gain confidence, but you need to figure out how much pushing it takes to get them there. This could also be helped via creating a narrative device which would help the protagonist try to conquer their flaw, making it easier for them to reach your finale. It’s mainly a question of give and take, usually you build up scenarios until the profanity has what they want in their grasp and something takes it from them, then they have to struggle and battle to achieve that. I hope that helps but that scenario is mainly used for a particular storyline. If you were doing a period drama it might not be applicable.
@benjaminread5287
@benjaminread5287 3 жыл бұрын
@@oscarluckin1625 thanks
@ScottyDMcom
@ScottyDMcom 3 жыл бұрын
When I was studying "Save the Cat Writes a Novel" and looking over the outline, I decided B Story (or B Plot) should be called the Deeper Story. If the A Plot is about the protag's *wants,* the B Story should somehow impact their *needs.* Of course not all good stories' B Plots are about needs, so relabeling it Deeper Story may put a bit more of a burden on the writer. But hey, if you can pull it off...
@jpvenkat573
@jpvenkat573 3 жыл бұрын
How will I know what's important for my script and what doesn't
@creepypastaanecdotes8183
@creepypastaanecdotes8183 3 жыл бұрын
Figuring out the theme and character Arch will help.
@cjkalandek996
@cjkalandek996 3 жыл бұрын
As Tyler says in a lot of his videos, your script/story has a philosophical conflict, where all your characters have differing points of views on the debate of that conflict. In a lot of action movies, the writers focus more on the spectacle rather than what's underneath the surface (what are they fighting about). And if your script has something that feels like it's not driven by the theme, philosophical conflict, or doesn't impact the narrative or the character's arcs moving forward, it doesn't belong in your screenplay.
@axps4964
@axps4964 3 жыл бұрын
@@cjkalandek996 You are totally right. So basically everything in your story should push your story. Every dialogue every character, every added theme should move your story forward.
@authorrobjohnson3178
@authorrobjohnson3178 3 жыл бұрын
@JP Venkat most people can tell when you slap something in your story for the sake of length. You should just let everything within the realm of the story drive everything forward.
@calebim-th2iq
@calebim-th2iq 3 жыл бұрын
i would just say not to try to create a B-plot, bc the B-plots that work are usually the ones naturally come with the story that you are trying to tell
@1muzikmania
@1muzikmania 3 жыл бұрын
can someone tell me it's all right to have an 80-ish paged script? the story in my current script calls for it to be that short!
@cinemalights2625
@cinemalights2625 3 жыл бұрын
Perfectly okay. Before Sunset is 80 minutes including credits.
@agmor1
@agmor1 3 жыл бұрын
Great B-Plot: John Mahoney's enterprise in "Say Anything". Terrible B-Plot: any B-Plot in Cameron Crowe's post-"Almost Famous" career.
@warmflash
@warmflash 3 жыл бұрын
Once the idea of constructing a B story that conflicts with the beliefs of the Main Character in the story, the B story almost writes itself. Especially if the B story depicts the activities of not one but two characters.
@ggsap
@ggsap Жыл бұрын
what about brooklyn 99
@spookily1661
@spookily1661 2 жыл бұрын
One day when I get older maybe I’ll be able to sell this or something like that
@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736
@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736 3 жыл бұрын
This is the correct way to clickbait.
@RodneyKimbangu
@RodneyKimbangu 3 жыл бұрын
Tyler Legend (just kidding)! Thank you
@jboushka
@jboushka 3 жыл бұрын
Right after you made this video, a "real life" movie unfolded in the Capitol today. Look up the work of Ford Fischer and News2Share --- I think you'll relate to it.
@mcplainview8376
@mcplainview8376 3 жыл бұрын
I look at “b-plots” as being just as important as the main conflict.
@markparkinson6947
@markparkinson6947 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, b-plots can add depth to a story, that can provide accompaniment to the main story, as well as enriching the world of the story, when done at its best. There's usually more to b-plots than that, but that's a part of what b-plots can do.
@bisheshshakya9417
@bisheshshakya9417 3 жыл бұрын
I agree..... B-plots can also flesh out characters and even helps in world building in a narrative
@spbspb2413
@spbspb2413 3 жыл бұрын
sadly, you can notice in lots of popular works, that there are bunch of b plots for no reason other than to milk a franchise and make it longer.
@emmacarena7103
@emmacarena7103 3 жыл бұрын
I hate the kind of b plot where you suddenly follow a side story of a side character. why ? :(
@IMNfilms
@IMNfilms 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos have been popping up in my YT feed. Full disclosure: my pre-watching-this-video impression is of a hustler who just might be worth some credit for the hustle. Now I'm going to take apart this, my first Tyler Mowery video. My first impression of you and your content, Mr. Mowery. Props for 164K subs. Your rap is working, apparently. I'll talk to you later, after the watch. Bob
@IMNfilms
@IMNfilms 3 жыл бұрын
Man, your rap is definitely for the novice; still, that can be incredibly motivating. I can dig your hustle, I hope you pop up on my feed. If I could offer one observation, it would be that if you are in this game, the motivational and "rules" correct movie/script/story expert video? At some point you need to take a break from the social media gig and put up some more credits on IMDB. That's my 2 cents. Do your hustle, but stay credible, Tyler.
@chaddelong998
@chaddelong998 3 жыл бұрын
in a real world scenario, everyone believes they are the star of the story. don't disrespect a characters motivation. this is the same as ignoring your best friends needs.
@jackielogan9104
@jackielogan9104 3 жыл бұрын
I still wonder how terrible movies, ones panned by critics, get greenlit and filmed in the first place.
@HerReelReview
@HerReelReview 3 жыл бұрын
Money
@AbrahamMast
@AbrahamMast 3 жыл бұрын
Will always be a mystery. But a common reason is it sounds good on paper/pitch.
@oliverhanson634
@oliverhanson634 3 жыл бұрын
As terrible as it is, if you want to make professional movies, often times knowing the right people means way more than having a decent narritive
@jackielogan9104
@jackielogan9104 3 жыл бұрын
@@HerReelReview box office bomb in the end
@ed1rko17
@ed1rko17 3 жыл бұрын
Because making movies is really really hard and no one knows how to do it successfully 100% of the time. If guys like Martin Scorsese can't please audiences every time, then how can studios know what's going to work or not?
@CEOofAutism
@CEOofAutism 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t tell this guy about the Bee Movie
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 2 жыл бұрын
Aw jeez
@maxbearington7565
@maxbearington7565 3 жыл бұрын
I expected to learn not to write a B plot.
@GeorgeJohnsonJackofAllTrades
@GeorgeJohnsonJackofAllTrades Жыл бұрын
Change your title to I hate when b plots go wrong
@mohamd_hamdy7891
@mohamd_hamdy7891 3 жыл бұрын
First comment
@elliotalderson9578
@elliotalderson9578 3 жыл бұрын
First view. Cool.
@roeltheinfinitesadness639
@roeltheinfinitesadness639 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t like this vid. It has 69 likes
@calebim-th2iq
@calebim-th2iq 3 жыл бұрын
sadly, not anymore
@TomEyeTheSFMguy
@TomEyeTheSFMguy 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't worry about it.
@roeltheinfinitesadness639
@roeltheinfinitesadness639 3 жыл бұрын
@@calebim-th2iq yes, sadly
@piercequintin209
@piercequintin209 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Guys 😍💋 💝💖
@thefestooner
@thefestooner 2 жыл бұрын
Wtf is this? Also, why do you keep doing air quotes? Honestly, I don’t really care about whatever nonsense pointers you’re trying to impress on anyone dumb enough to think they can learn how to write by watching a KZbin video, but I have to ask… How do you feel about Tolstoy’s B-plots? And his C-plots, and D-plots? The Russians are good for jamming an entire alphabet’s worth of narrative threads in a story. And how about Shakespeare’s B-plots? The Edgar/Edmund rivalry in Lear, or the Hamlet/Ophelia aborted romance in Hamlet, or Bassanio’s wooing of Portia in Merchant of Venice? I’d love to hear insight from you on how successful or unsuccessful the Bard was in dovetailing those secondary plot lines into the main narrative… And what about the great modern classic, Joyce’s Ulysses. The main plot concerns Stephen Dedalus (the protagonist of JJ’s first novel, Portrait of the Artist), but the hero of Ulysses is introduced in the secondary (parallel) narrative of Leo Bloom (an Odysseus analog). Tell me, any salient critiques of a poor bawdy blind self-exiled Irishman’s story-craft? I must know your thoughts on this stuff. And if we’re talking strictly about films, then I’m sure you have major issues with Bob Altman’s entire oeuvre.
@emilymartin5418
@emilymartin5418 2 жыл бұрын
Dismissing an entire medium as a source of learning is short-sighted, conceited, and a transparent attempt to manufacture superiority. You have a huge ego and have probably achieved a lot with it, but until you honestly attempt humble introspection, you will always be stuck.
@thefestooner
@thefestooner 2 жыл бұрын
@@emilymartin5418 Stuck where? In the middle? With you? Also, what medium am I dismissing? KZbin? Great source of practical learning. I’ve never said otherwise. Screenwriting tutorials however, by anyone other than Robert Towne or Billy Wilder…pssssh.
@emilymartin5418
@emilymartin5418 2 жыл бұрын
@@thefestooner Oh, so KZbin is great for learning but people who use it as such are dumb? Screenwriting tutorials by anyone you don't personally approve of are useless but you deliberately watch a 5-minute one because... why, exactly? Surely an intellect as powerful and cultured as yours can see how self-important and narcissistic your comments are. A friendly challenge: pick someone you know and whose opinion you respect but who dislikes you, and ask them what they think of you as a person.
@rorychristensen9516
@rorychristensen9516 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like Hollywood is going bust, and movies in general are an obsolete entertainment medium. Story writers will always be needed though but as aforementioned movies as an entertainment medium is dying
@rogurishimaru
@rogurishimaru 3 жыл бұрын
Thinking about A B C... plot seems ridiculous and distant from real life. As if my A plot was being a screenwriter, my B plot my love relationship, my C plot me taking a shit... Adding nonsense to the challenging art of writing? Thanks, don't need that.
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