Why I HATE Primary Weapons!

[@sirloin7633]

What a tool, kid actually made a video about this..

[@budzee313]

kid named kid

[@firefurby9509]

This is why I believe the special sidearms are the best weapons in the game. Primary utility with special damage.

[@lazykb]

Very real. I heard we're getting a strand one in TFS too! Hopefully we get a kinetic one sometime for that damage buff that'd be insane

[@deep_ak-4728]

nah man ppl be sleeping on deconstruct way too much on indebted

[@lazykb]

@@deep_ak-4728 honestly valid. Have you tested if it progresses the counter double like it does att orbs?

[@RikiazGaming]

@@lazykb Not just a Strand one but also a Solar one for Empyrean stacking. Absolutely cracked.

[@pepeboi4047]

@@lazykbif you get the permeability perk on the indebted kindness and run strand you delete rooms with unravel rounds.

[@Sutto7]

Everything that's not a hand cannon feels like a pea shooter and even most exotic primaries just feel awful. The only primaries I have in my characters inventory are Sunshot, Zaoulis and Wardens Law

[@narcvanquisher]

Yea, I just started D2 life and I have a bunch of primaries. Gonna cry dismantling all those primaries except for Hand Cannons. Sunshot and Zaouli Bane like the only primaries keeping since they can AoE on their own. I like the solar HC with the rocket perk from Neomuna. Nice skin too so I'll keep that but the rest? RIP my primaries. Definitely gonna dedicate one slot to a wave breech GL.

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

zaoulis isn't really good for endgame (think speeds, lowmans or optimal play)

[@stealth6308]

Since into the light dropped, I’ve strictly used double specials or sunshot. There are so few primaries that are able to compete in todays meta

[@mythe6669]

I use Sunshot and lately Polaris cause of the ignitions and with the tormentors a precision weapon on top of ignitions comes in kinda handy imo. Also helps with cascade point + the ammo (heavy ammo finder) on my heavy gl.

[@pipt]

I use a lot the Monte Carlo for the melee refund and Rufus for triggering unravel / hatchlings

[@walkingtheme4219]

Zaoul’s Bane is goated

[@jonathancotter7429]

I crafted mine with pugilist/Incandecent for my consecration titan build,

[@-Benja]

​@jonathancotter7429 try one for all it makes it hit really hard

[@amorfati4927]

Which kind of shows the problem. It had to get buffed 40% or what ever the handcannon buff was AND have a 35% as a primary to feel good.

[@jonathancotter7429]

@-Benja I have a EP, One for all harrowed that is great and will be used more in a diff season but incan is too good this season

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

not for stuff like speeds, lowmans or gms at optimal play. Only really good for more casual play

[@basedlordprime]

When they added champion stuns into the subclasses that devalued primaries even more. Mt favorite era of double special was when we had bricks from beyond. I used the hell out of hollow denial, blinding Pardon, and levis breath. Absolutely cranking the hog.

[@walrusdojo]

Your content has has really changed my thinking on how to build in/play the game. I haven't worked out how to make best use of double special yet and it's kinda started an inner conflict where I know double special is better but my old primaries are comfy(shoutout bxr with demo/pugilist + incandescent). And I'm just having trouble with the transition from leaning on primaries to embracing double special.

[@lazykb]

@@walrusdojo there's some good double special training wheels loadouts like Agers Indebted Kindness. Or The Call and Forbearance that can make it a little less punishing. But the end goal is to use more effective burst damage weapons than those for a lot of things

[@GloverGaming3]

I thought they nerfed the double special juggler effect? Not enough to stop it from working I see 😅

[@lazykb]

The juggler effect isn't only a double special thing. It was broken to be overly beneficial before. Now it is in line and something you should manage to keep up with your ammo. The mechanics didn't change. Just stopped being overpowered

[@raiou5010]

Show us your vault

[@lazykb]

So personal 😳

[@1HKNG]

@@lazykbshow us the vault

[@l.4165]

Now.

[@cjburch24]

Inb4 all primaries.

[@Green-wq7vb]

6:53 Now that you mention it... I actually want a One-Two Punch sword! Heavy uppercut to the enemy's groin, then swap off sword for a One Punch Man style mega melee ready to obliterate whoever's unlucky enough to be within swinging distance. Sounds fun to me. :D

[@lazykb]

LOL that's awesome. Great verbal typo

[@ZachTheInsaneOne]

Hey so uh, Wave Frame swords kinda do that, now that they exist. Uppercut to make a wave, then while you're still in the air, you get a free damage boosted swing that also acts like Eager Edge. Wish kinda granted?

[@Green-wq7vb]

@@ZachTheInsaneOne Hey, you're right! I have been enjoying an Ergo Sum with the Wave Frame, and it didn't even click for me that it was pretty close to what I was hoping for here. Nice one! :)

[@budzee313]

the only times I run out of double special is when teammates kill everything (which isnt a problem) but then they have no siphon mods or orb mods/powerful friends so sometimes its really hard to get armor charges to get the special finisher off

[@YuriG1]

My Crafted Zaoulis bane looking at this: 🤨🤨

[@lazykb]

More like looking inadequate!!!

[@YuriG1]

@@lazykb DAMN

[@YuriG1]

@@lazykb AND I TOUGHT MY HAND CANNON WAS THE ONE ABLE TO BURN

[@ZachTheInsaneOne]

I still use Primary weapons (mostly Exotics) because most activities are not tough enough to warrant the whole mental juggling thing that comes with a double special loadout. That and double special also kinda makes rockets feel like a detriment to use, which a lot of DPS phases seem to incorporate nowadays.

[@lazykb]

Well this video was before TFS, however in TFS they have made most activities have quite a bit harder scaling and I now feel weak even using exotic primaries. For example Trinity Ghoul can't even one shot cabal in normal raids without surge. Also with enough practice double special isn't any level of mental thinking. I'm at a point where I can run double special in most activities without using a single ammo mod just fine. Partly due to how powerful the newer "double special" guns are like Lost Signal and rocket side arms. Being smart with my ammo has become a sort of muscle memory I guess

[@ZachTheInsaneOne]

@@lazykb that makes sense. I still remember a time when double primary was our only option, so it's kind of ingrained in my mind to just keep plinking away with a primary and hope for the best. Sunshot is still strong as hell though. I also find myself using Red Death or the heal-o-rifle a lot just for general survivability at range, because getting up close with the enemy isn't always an option. But other than that, I totally agree with you, I just didn't have a good rocket sidearm until the new craftable one released, and I still don't feel comfortable using a trace rifle because they feel weak as hell compared to every other special and even some primary weapons.

[@EntsForest]

To me, unless its exotic, primary weapons are pure utility. Incandescent to proc Subclass perks, Shoot to Loot, Attrition Orbs, etc. Graviton Lance, Sunshot, and sometimes Trinity Ghoul are the only primaries I seem to bring out unless I need Heal Clip for Benevolence and whatnot. Since it came out, Tusk of the Boar has been basically permanently locked in my loadout.

[@ThisMightBeAnAccount]

I’ve been saying for a while, that bungie should just add an “exotic weight” to each exotic in the game, and set the max weight to a certain number. Meaning instead of equipping one exotic armor and one exotic weapon, you can equip as many as you want, as long as it’s within the maximum weight. Depending on how good or bad an exotic is, it’s unique weight can be changed. All armor could weigh 1-2, and weapons 1-3, with a max weight of 5. I think this would balance the game very well, and give so much more variety to build crafting. They could’ve done this instead of the class items in my opinion.

[@MrTmm97]

Non exotic primaries specifically suck in master/ GM activity. Nothing like using 2 clips to kill a red bar. I was going to add primary weapons are primarily also for champion stunning in addition to ad clear. But then you beat me to it! Read my mind… You must be a warlock main … Master over space magic like mind reading 😅 Also I do miss the golden days of double special where there was so heavy during raid and dungeon encounters you could always top up. It definitely bummed me out when they announced the pending change. Double special is definitely still viable… But doesn’t pay off in the heavy department nearly as much as it used too.

[@lazykb]

I mean I think its balanced individually now, it makes sense that the ammo is worse but the damage and add clear is better. We just need more primary buffs so that the weaker weapons are worth using to make the ammo

[@MrTmm97]

@@lazykb yea I agree. I mean I will always miss the golden days of double special. I had just gotten my friends to start trying it when they made the change. But to be fair I was probably the right call balance-wise. Now they just have to follow through and make legendary primaries not feel so weak in GM content to the point where everyone prefers a cenotaph or Aeon on their team when farming to significantly speed up the runs. The exotic primary buff was a good start… they make the ad clear with primary far less painful and increase the chance of finder mods to proc… But as a result it makes not running an exotic primary feel pretty bad which kind of balances out with pre-exotic primary buff where there was no reason to not run an exotic heavy. They’ve done a good job incrementally making changes to the system. I have faith they will get there before too long.

[@tank1503]

You should try final warning. Hits like a truck to take our majors extremely fast and it spreads unraveling for cheap ad clear.

[@lazykb]

This is propaganda for the primaries campaign and I do not approve

[@tank1503]

@@lazykb final warning sweeps

[@sweep_swoop]

guys lazy hates primaries because HE HATES FUN! don't let him lie to you 😠

[@lazykb]

Actually I only hate you!!!

[@sweep_swoop]

@@lazykb 💔

[@prid3_33]

I hate primaries because they don't feel powerful they feel weak compared to specials

[@arthur_pd]

@@prid3_33 thats normal, they have infinite ammo and special have limited ammo, so they should feel weaker, if not, then powercreep says hello....

[@spartanbegginner909]

Hey man great video, for someone like me whos not really tried double special in end game (not counting legend onslaught), would love to see some gameplay of like lowman/contest/master raid/dungeons using double special, like actually seeing it in action, seeing the "utility" getting used in real situations like proccing shoot to loot in a dps phase or someting like that, i have no idea but id love to see a walkthrough commentary of something like that

[@lazykb]

Honestly I just haven't been doing as much of those activities lately. Especially with the heavy fomo around Brave weapons. It's basically all I've done. But I normally show a better variety of background footage lol

[@spartanbegginner909]

@@lazykb yea i get that, well throwing it out there if it comes up, not much content on youtube for somone wanting to "learn" how to double special in that kind conten

[@lazykb]

@@spartanbegginner909 well to be honest that's because you can't teach someone to use ammo efficiently. You just have to actively think about what you're doing for a while until it becomes natural. Same as driving a car or riding a bike. It's the same reason you don't see videos that offer practices in gameplay to avoid dying. Plenty of videos showing good builds. But game sense is something we all learn on our own off experience

[@DIGSFBBAWTDHY.8540]

I heard “Destiny is a pretty easy game” and pushed through the absolute culture shock of that statement to see how the other side lives and hopefully gain some tips to get better. I thought they removed the juggler system from the game, and that you can’t get any special or heavy ammo unless you’re using a primary. Sometimes I run double special, but any time I have to sit in one spot peeking and chipping away at enemies for a long time, it’s just not a sustainable strategy.

[@lazykb]

Juggler system is a little more forgiving now with the bad luck protection times brick system. But yeah I get so bored sitting and shooting individual enemies with primaries now lol. They've been fully power crept

[@DIGSFBBAWTDHY.8540]

@@lazykbidk how I’d keep a special weapon full in something like a GM. If I were to go for a finisher I’d die instantly.

[@lazykb]

@@DIGSFBBAWTDHY.8540 there's aggressive builds that lean into it. It's totally doable. You also tend to get more heavy kills in GMs since there's a smaller focus on boss DPS than in raids, so you get more special too.

[@Blue-qt8ms]

your not right but your also not wrong, you cant just ignore and put aside sunshot and trinity but then bring up wave frames, if you wanna compare, compare the best each have to offer even tho you did clarify primaries are the best at utility and specifically finder, then why would you not be add-clearing with primaries to use the utility they bring? double specials isn't across the board better, theyre better for speeds yes but low mans and day ones they aren't and it also depends on rolls and environment, aeons and centoaph are good but you cant also proc it or have enough enemies to make up for the regen primaries bring, also the ttk for HCs and trinity is faster than specials expect for snipers and gls which are only good for tanker enemies, traces are average in comparison and wave frames dont have the range and sometimes cant be used and require positioning

[@lazykb]

Requiring you to clear adds to make use of utility doesnt make a weapon good for add clear. If you have a situation where you don't need good add clear then you can use primaries to get ammo out of it. However if you are in a situation where adds are tearing you up the first concern should be making them dead as fast as possible, which wave frames are by and far the best at. As for range, I view that as almost a non issue because of the ease of closing gaps. and youre just wrong about the TTKs? Handcannons can one shot patrol level adds whoopdy, even if SMGs one shotted all red bars with body shots wave frames would still clear adds better

[@SighDUX]

What double special weapons would you recommend for a strand titan that loves stronghold. I use lament or bequest. I'd love to run stronghold for the dr, the team utility. But also want to be able to do decent damage in raids. Gm, and legend onslaught im golden.

[@lazykb]

I wouldn't use strong hold except for super specific hard content. Like... Master Crota. Strand titan is alive enough and synthos are way better. And if you're using that wave frame 12p shotgun can't go wrong

[@artur3306]

since you probably using this build in hard content i would recommend using indebted kindness(lead from gold+voltshot) for ammo efficient add clear and something for range in the first slot like supremacy(rewind rounds+kinetic tremors)

[@art7373]

Didn't they nerf the juggler mechanic to reduce heavy ammo drops when using doible special?

[@lazykb]

Yes. But it's still how it works. It's just not brokenly overpowered now

[@art7373]

@@lazykb Yeah, I just watched your other videos explaining it, very helpful

[@Offical251]

I don’t understand how this isn’t the consensus

[@PoobahParker]

Im never vaulting my Z Bane 😈

[@lazykb]

This comment makes me angry!!!!

[@fluxtheexo]

Wow this is one of the best takes I've seen thus far.

[@walkingtheme4219]

Lazy how’s your Friday been, my Friday has been great.

[@lazykb]

Going good so far!

[@ninglad212]

I’m trying to get into double special and was wondering what are some exotic either special or heavy weapons that would be used. I have been mainly using primary exotics so I don’t know which ones are good.

[@lazykb]

The best add clear specials are legendary. So id go for DPS weapons like merciless 4th and Izi or just no exotic. Also Gjally is a great way to round out a load out since it can clear adds and decent damage

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

Heavily depends on the type of activity and what specific activity or encounter it is. You're obviously gonna use a very different loadout in speeds if you compare it to lowmans or optimal grandmasters and even then you're gonna use very different weapons for different encounters. In most dps encounters izanagi's burden with the catalyst is amazing if you learn a damage rotation like izzy gl apex or izzy gl edge. When you commented it wasn't out yet but currently still hunt is good for hunters. Merciless is good for energy special weapon dps and especially good for lowman boss dps. Horseman is niche but if you wanna do speeds it's great with the catalyst for killing majors or even dps with something like Rain of Fire. Heavy weapons is more limited. Ghorn is good if you have to use it for ad clear in niche scenarios and it's great for dps. In any rocket dps scenario you need 1 person on ghorn (preferably doing a ghorn damage rotation). Tractor is also great if a tether isn't used with something like tractor and double pellet or double slug swapping. Parasite is only really used for burst dps but can still be useful. A few really niche options are bastion for breaking things like blights or fuses in dsc 1st enc since it does a ton of object damage, xenophage for niche encounters and arbalest for shield breaks in 1 shot. Like I said it heavily depends on the encounter and setting but these are some options that are good in most content.

[@IWH1T30UT_xX]

Have you tried year 1 midnight coop

[@lazykb]

@@IWH1T30UT_xX I don't see a world where it's better than the new one

[@IWH1T30UT_xX]

@@lazykb that’s a you problem

[@joshsmith2075]

Been using double special since beyond light when I had deafening whisper and heritage, not used a primary since

[@walkingtheme4219]

This whole vid is factually.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

Could you make some in depth build videos and show different types of content for double special loadouts, you do really good breakdowns of things already, but would love to see you do breakdowns with DPS numbers and the utilization of double special for different types of content. They would probably help inform people that Double Special is rather viable, this video does a good brief explanation, but sometimes people do want to see more gameplay of how things work as it gets broken down with different steps, plus seeing your loadouts for each subclass would be an entertaining video and help out players who are still learning about build crafting, or learn about underrated builds.

[@lazykb]

I personally find damage number testing especially in game completely fruitless. Accurate damage numbers are found using health bar measuring which is hard to showcase in a video format, and all damage numbers have already been accurately tested by Aegis and made a public record for anybody to view. His testing and data is completely inarguable and there is no way to improve on it so I don't bother. In older videos I'd go more in depth but it lead to people just clicking off out of boredom. My goal is really to put meta tier ideas in people's heads and let them grow them themselves. However tying in double special to future videos is definitely doable!

[@vruxdrossgaming]

@lazykb Alright, but again keep up the good work.

[@7bracket7]

Do you consider impulse amp attrition orbs a god roll for indebted kindness? I saw that's the one you had. I didn't really think that would be that great of a roll, considering how bad attrition orbs is on most weapons.

[@lazykb]

Att orbs is glitched on Prockets, the counter progresses on every damage number. So it gets 2 orbs per mag as long as you hit targets, and it can go to 3-4 if you're splashing several targets at once.

[@7bracket7]

@@lazykb Oh ok, interesting. I have a beacon rounds att orb roll, not optimal i guess but useable then

[@7bracket7]

@@lazykb ok yeah that’s actually crazy, just used it in onslaught. The highest amount of orbs I got in 1 mag, when counting, including arc siphon) was 11

[@hyper_divergent7794]

What double special loadouts would be good for a cenotaph warlock in onslaught? I don’t have the path of least resistance and I refuse to go into trials for that strand one.

[@Zee-bm5wj]

Retraced path with shoot to loot and a blinding gl

[@hyper_divergent7794]

@@Zee-bm5wj I will go test that out . Thanks.

[@lazykb]

Ya retraced just got STL with the last update. New best trace!!

[@hyper_divergent7794]

@@lazykbReally? I have the pattern for retraced so I’ll go check it out. Thinking about pairing it with forerunner.

[@hyper_divergent7794]

@@lazykbAnother thing. Why use STL as LFG could improve ammo eco. I understand its usefulness but I just wrap my head around using it.

[@justinthompson320]

Running double specials just makes running elemental surges more difficult to maintain since you need to sit on armor charges for special finisher. Running primaries is more efficient unless you are strictly running solo content.

[@lazykb]

No reason to run surges except for DPS phases. So

[@justinthompson320]

@@lazykb bonus damage is worth more than fractional ability regen in most cases. Also, it's annoying on console to hot swap for dps

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

there's barely any activities where running a primary is optimal

[@vruxdrossgaming]

For me it completely depends on the primary, Elsie's Rifle is really good with destabe rounds because of the damage that High Impact Pulses can do, plus Elsie's rifle is a stats monster and can be great for devour builds or a Gyrfalcons hunter build. Not even gonna touch scout rifles because all you're doing is plink plonking at the back of the map, Zaouli's Bane I use because if I want to use Dragons Breath, Witherhoard, Anarchy, or Ghorn, then Z Bane is a good weapon to have. Now if I'm doing a raid then double special is better for DPS, I've used Scatter with Merciless, and used Apex Predator or DB with double fusions and it does really good damage. Only other time I main a primary is for lucky pants Hunter. Tommy's Matchbook with Loreley or Precious Scars is also pretty good on Titan, you get constant health regen along with constant ignitions. Anyway that's enough rambling, double special is fun and always will be, especially useful in raids or dungeons. Only other reason I use primaries are for champions.

[@lazykb]

Eehhhh. Everything both those guns do can be done better by specials. Destab is a bait perk also

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

@@lazykb Yeah. I would just use Buried Bloodline or Graviton Lance (a primary!) over Elsie's. A high impact pulse is pretty bad in PvE, even low level PvE. Why would you use destabilizing rounds on a Gyrfalcons build? That makes zero sense. Repulsor Brace, maybe.

[@nico3064]

​@@kingcurmudgeon8685There are scenarios in which I prefer a gun with destabilizing rounds. Sometimes the add spawn so badly that you lose your volatile rounds and you haven't gotten your doge back. Like in the caretaker encounter. The destabilizing rounds weapon was a game changer there 2 days ago

[@EreptileDysfunction]

Exceptions for me: -zaoulis bane -time lost fatebringer -calus mini tool -ikelos smg -buzzard (overflow plus tremors is pretty good against barrier champions) -any gun with kinetic tremors/slice has really good utility although those perks can roll on special weapons. This is all copium

[@lazykb]

Zaoulis is an EP handcannon which is an okay champ gun and it can have EP Demo which is pretty good. Fatebringer same thing but frenzy giving max handling and reload is its own form of utility. Calus Mini has unrelenting which isnt really strong utility but I mean it at least isnt just pure add clear cope. Ikelos SMG shoot to loot goat. Buzzard you said it yourself, barrier gun.

[@EreptileDysfunction]

Exactly 👍

[@Offical251]

Beside for champs none of these are better than a trace or wave frame

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

none of these are better than a special weapon that does their job better

[@gonnerkat8753]

me running fighting lion in legend activities for ad clear

[@Mampfie]

the only primary weapons that i use are 450 Full Auto Sidearms, they do so much more dmg than any other primary weapons. sure thay have shitty range but most fights are close range anyways, idk why but when i rock double special i dont get any ammo drops no matter what.

[@lazykb]

You're probably not working around the juggler effect. I talk about how to maintain double special towards the end

[@ryanhashimoto9189]

I love running GM’s or legend onslaught with people who run double specials and can’t stun a champ 😂, I’ll just sit there

[@lazykb]

I mean I mentioned that as a merrit of primaries, that's definitely a reason to use them. As for Onslaught anyone on double special should have no issue instakilling barriers. And we have OL rocket RN and unstop is pretty easy with ignitions.

[@EggyWeggyIII]

Riptide and radiant does it all. No need for primaries at all.

[@wc2195]

@@EggyWeggyIIIyes

[@digi_rik]

@@EggyWeggyIII Is the radiant from the artifact with the precision solar hits bugged tho? When my meele makes me radiant I can destory barriers, when the radiant is from the precision hits it seems like it doesn't work.

[@EggyWeggyIII]

@@digi_rik I don’t have any problem with it but maybe there is some really specific interaction that causes that bug. Remember that if you are trying to break a barrier with a weapon that already has champion stun it will not work. For example. If you are using a HC but you already have unstop HC from the artifact, it will not stun.

[@Overlycomplicatedswede]

As a speed runner, I agree with 99.99% of this as primaries will fall off very quickly once you start doing master raids, GM’s and day 1 raids etc.

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

even in on power content they don't compete. I do dungeon speeds and primaries don't compete with specials at all. It's not even close

[@Overlycomplicatedswede]

@@DanielGerber-bh4nx yeah, the damage output is just incredibly high, izi,rocket swap is a great example of this

[@art7373]

Doth mine eyes deceive me? Is that a 1K I see, food show chap, jolly good show. Fr tho, been using it since the reserve buff, it's actually usable now and has thus been glued to my heavy slot

[@lazykb]

It's fun for easy damage. But ehhhh. Still pretty low DPS

[@art7373]

@@lazykb it's on par with leviathan's breath now in total ammo damage and dps, only downside being that only one person can use it since ignition damage is a factor. Outside of that tho it's an easier to use Levi's Edit: on par if you have ember of torches as it can ignite in a single beam

[@lazykb]

@@art7373 yeah but Levi is the same case it's easy damage not really good damage. Kind of like special fusions

[@SmolShippie]

Did you turn off motion blur?

[@Light79677]

Why have it on

[@SmolShippie]

@@Light79677 Ask Lazy, they have Motion Blur active...

[@shaunmacready701]

I seen the title of the video and thought i didnt mske this video 😂 Double special for almost 2 years only time i run a primary is to complete bounties. Double special meta isnt gone its been nerfed sbit but still easy winner depending on content and rally flag i run a machine gun then switch to linesr or rockets for DPS phase

[@Ghostwithalisp]

Yeah double special loudout is cool untill you DO run out of ammo for everything and need to resort to abilities or punching to kill things

[@lazykb]

To avoid that issue my suggestion is to not run out of ammo. It's really easy to maintain

[@Ghostwithalisp]

@@lazykb if you like sitting there doing nothing lol

[@lazykb]

@@Ghostwithalisp you should watch the entire video before making a comment like this. I explained how easy it is to maintain double special

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

I've been using double special for quite some time and I never run out of ammo. If you play the game well, use your abilities and optimal loadouts you're realistically not gonna run out of ammo. It's a skill issue if you do.

[@insomniaddictesp]

I quit primaries as well. They are just so weak if they are not exotic and with a massive investment in their damage boosting through surges. Like, why is my whole build built around a weak weapon?

[@lazykb]

Primaries are bad m'kay

[@carnage9536]

Didn't they get rid of juggler?

[@lazykb]

No, they nerfed it so it isn't brokenly overpowered. It's still the same mechanics

[@Crealius]

Yeah this is all pretty true. I do feel like u didn’t go over exotics like aeons and cenotaph which play a major role in double special being way stronger in optimal play. But good video nonetheless

[@lazykb]

I wanted to make this something anybody could do regardless of team

[@21nosavage60]

People just use what u like and enjoy life

[@lazykb]

I don't remember telling people they are not allowed to use primary weapons. I simply said that they are weak for add clear ( a fact)

[@nothingimportanthere2082]

In my opinion, Primaries are like tools. If you need a tool and the one you got is not suited for long term work, don't use it. Outlaw and Rampage on Midnight Coup is a perfect example. Hell, I got a Transfiguration in my Vault with Rewind Rounds and Kinetic Tremors for when champion scout comes back and you often don't see Aeons or Cenotaph Mask.

[@lazykb]

Kind of. Yeah. Like a primary isn't just a general weapon you just use as your main gun. You have a specific purpose that makes sense for it like champs or utility perks

[@nothingimportanthere2082]

@@lazykb Funny enough, I go after Raid weapon primaries first when I craft raid weapons bc the primaries often have the nastiest roles for that kind of specific job. I got a Rufus's Fury with Demolitionist and Hatching and use it on my Broodweaver Warlock with Swarmers.

[@lazykb]

@@nothingimportanthere2082 not exactly a strong specific use case. But I do consider Rufus with Frenzy demo to be one of the better champ sticks. Mostly a lack of competition though. A kinetic of similar perk pedigree would roll it.

[@nothingimportanthere2082]

@@lazykb Fair enough, but I pair it with Buried Bloodline for the Horde Shuttle mod to spread more Threadlings, Tangles, and Unravel with a dash of Devour on the side helping me get my grenade back. At least that way I'd have a strong use case for Rufus.

[@lazykb]

@@nothingimportanthere2082 I mean like I said at the start we all can have fun how we want and nothing against that. But ultimately building entirely around a primary isn't gonna be a very strong build

[@m3m3god]

Stasis hunter caught so many strays man. I love stasis but man it leaves something to be desired

[@lazykb]

Yeeeaahhh. I'm glad it has a place still with lucky pants though!

[@m3m3god]

@@lazykb lucky pants? I assume wardens law with a standard setup with grim harvest touch of winter duskfields?

[@lazykb]

@@m3m3god pretty much. Look at Corrupted GM speedruns.

[@provaricus627]

Counterpoint: Sweet Business

[@lazykb]

We all know thunderlord is the meta

[@TheUnclemike]

Doing the lords work lmao

[@lazykb]

Well we can't let God do all the work...

[@liamjordan3068]

When a full parabellum clip can barely kill a red bar and the reward is heal clipping l the damage his 55 buddies have caused you it’s a hard sell.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

It's magazine not clip.

[@liamjordan3068]

@@vruxdrossgaming Thanks god.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

@@liamjordan3068 I'm a gun nerd, so my autism kicks in when I see the wrong term used.

[@liamjordan3068]

@@vruxdrossgaming ah, my apologies pal, appreciate the correction. Have a good weekend.

[@vruxdrossgaming]

@liamjordan3068 You too, but you can imagine the gun rants I go on lol.

[@termlesscipher8045]

I disagree with the primaries are bad opinion. If you find a gun you like, use it. Destiny is a game and people should use what they like.

[@lazykb]

The video never said to not use primaries. It said primaries are bad, which they are. Objectively they are weak. I'm not pointing a gun at everyone's head and telling them to use the meta. I'm telling them what the meta is.

[@termlesscipher8045]

@@lazykb Thats fair. My opinion is just that 'if you like a gun, use it.' It might not be everyones view but i would rather have fun over being bored out of my mind using the same meta over and over.

[@legendxcarisso]

Subjectively.... plenty of primaries are great for add-clear.... headstone, Dragonfly, Firefly, Incandescent, Voltshot, Destabilizing Rounds..... list goes on. Is this kid for real??

[@narcvanquisher]

Why use 6 bullets and 3 secs instead of 1 bullet and forget they even existed?

[@nico3064]

​@@narcvanquisherBc you still kill them fast enough ? And primaries are the most satisfying guns to use if you got the correct one for the job. Killing everything with special weapons is straight up boring

[@narcvanquisher]

@@nico3064 ita called. . . Hand Cannon. . . Hits like a shotgun, range like a scout. 1 bullet equals 4 from a AR. I can shoot twice and do more damage than your 12 bullets that look like pellets. I guess I just like taking off chunks of hp instead a steady bleed.

[@dizzy.....]

heritage from deep stone crypt is my main primary!

[@lazykb]

Now mountaintop can be!n

[@Daniel-eye]

OMG!!! i got so traumatized because of that video. he cheating using double special!!!! Game intended to use PRIMARIES!!!!!@!!!!!!🥵🥵🥵🥵🤠🤯🤯🤯🤯We must report that cheaty warlock!!!!!!!!!

[@deep_ak-4728]

please give us some johnlfg in onslaught you bought the damn thing humble bundle just to abandon it

[@lazykb]

lmao he'll be back. I just started some grinding today but ITL has been time consuming!

[@KakamileRS]

MFW trinity ghoul and sunshot

[@DJTyme209]

booooooooooo and some of us don't care for that stupid double special BS either

[@MavicAVF]

Special sidearms are great, but traces are godawful sorry

[@lazykb]

bro doesnt know about utility

[@Teavs]

what the sigma

[@Ruuod]

*casually ignoring calus minitool zaoulis bane* besides those thos amazing legendary weapons abilities clear red bars for me since 3.0 revamps anyway also. why are you playing sunbracers without touch of flame? :(

[@lazykb]

Neither of those weapons clear adds effectively. How is a gun that you have to sit there and shoot at enemies for over a second 1 at a time better than a wave frame that can instantly and thoughtlessly clear 10+ enemies in one shot. I'm here to break down the meta to people who don't know it, not the just okay gear

[@Ruuod]

@@lazykb waveframe is trash against big guys. 2 kills with incandescent are enough to wipe out an entire field with ignitions. and as I already said. my abilities take care of most of the ads. waveframe might feel good but have fun taking a waveframe into GMs. works for vanguard ops but who plays this anyway? i prefer a special with damage instead of ad clear. wasting my special for a weapon that every other tool in my arsenal can deal with is a waste. i ran waveframe with conditional finality back when double special was more viable due to ammo economy. but now I am using legendary primaries mostly to inflict subclass fitting ailments also this isnt really meta anymore. meta is exo primary (mostly sunshot) due to heavy ammo regen and good legendary options in heavy and special

[@lazykb]

@@Ruuod wave frames one shot low tier adds all the way up to Grand Master difficulty. And primaries are also trash for big guys? You'd just use your DPS special to deal with them. And if you're using abilities for your add clear then how does that make the primary good for add clear? If you don't need an add clear weapon then use a utility weapon.

[@Ruuod]

@@lazykb as I sadi 3 times already: I am using abilities like everyone else to kill big waves of trash ads. u have dyslexia or sum? for smaller groups voltshot or incandescent are more than enough. you can feel superior clearing those 5 acolytes a bit faster than I am just to get stuck at the witches. gl clearing those with a waveframe consistently.

[@DanielGerber-bh4nx]

bro has never done a speedrun in his life. It's funny how convinced you are that you know the meta and that you think that primaries are better than they really are. I do speedruns and lowmans and I can tell you with certainty that double special is the meta. There hasn't been a single speedrun where I needed to use a primary.

[@Surge44]

Sunshot

[@oshawhy6627]

its ok to be wrong :)

[@sirloin7633]

Worst take of 2024. What a dolt.

[@FlyyKaRizZmA]

You must be that one guy who shows up in legend onslaught with double special, zero champion stuns and when you’re the last guy alive you founder it. Jk. Primaries like graviton lance, sunshot and that exotic stasis bow are the only viable primaries…next to Polaris lance and that exotic stasis scout that nobody uses are good.

[@lazykb]

They almost had us in the first half... Me personally I have a rocket for overload. Snap for unstop and barriers can just be instakilled. So yeah

[@BADMONEY21]

Wow this is one of the worst takes I've seen thus far.

[@EggyWeggyIII]

My man plays exclusively patrols.

[@sirloin7633]

Kids a moron. This may be the worst video of 2024

[@taro-1337]

​@EggyWeggyIII nah I actively play gms and master raids and use a primary in all of them. Primaries bring much more to the table than this guy let's on.

[@EggyWeggyIII]

@@taro-1337 riptide and radiant. I almost never use primaries outside of sunshot. Again, his point wasn’t that you couldn’t use primaries or that they were useless but rather that they are only really good for utility. IE, champs. But considering things like riptide and radiant exist primaries are a lot less valuable. And for anyone who actually plays harder content, you’re kind of nerfing yourself if you run them.

[@nico3064]

​@@EggyWeggyIIIIt's just not true. Ever tried to use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail ? Same with guns and their perks. Use the primary with the perks with suites best for the job at hand. Yes primaries could be stronger in harder content but there are still enough that are viable and you aren't in risk to be without ammo or not enough ammo

[@freezax4]

A lot primary’s are better than special 😂 tf you on Ammo economy is not best with random people and takes up slots that you could put anywhere else. Adds are not that difficult to deal with as long there is build synergy. I lost brain cells watching this video. Completely a opinionated stance. 😂 opinionated stance.😂

[@CardinalCake]

silly take

[@lazykb]

Nuh uh moment

[@CardinalCake]

@@lazykb Yuh uh

[@sirloin7633]

It's an awful take. Look up what the Dunning-Kruger effect is. This idiot fits it to a T

[@sirloin7633]

Dunning-Kruger effect. This kid has no idea what he's talking about.

[@CardinalCake]

@@sirloin7633 yeah, I looked at a couple of his other vids and his takes are oh boy, they are something.

[@Eperiser]

First

[@lazykb]

Fastest first in the west

[@sirloin7633]

This may be the worst video of 2024

[@MrNooB-kb9gb]

Double primary now boost your heavy drops a lot now idk why but its literally double drops or more than that idk why 🥲

[@lazykb]

I'll have to check that but I'm pretty sure this is confirmation bias. Regardless sacrificing both weapon slots to get more heavy ammo isn't exactly ideal

[@MrNooB-kb9gb]

@@lazykb im a stronghold main thats why need heavy alot i just started testing double primary just for ammo drops because i only use primary for stuns i was using heavy all the time in 65 kills i got 3 heavy bricks and most of my kills were with lament just curious and will do more testing on it

[@rimuru_a23]

Show us your vault

[@lazykb]

It's all Apex Predator! Always has been