Why I Hate the Fnaf Lore

[@djalibi]

4:34 you were more right than you originally thought

[@KindaSubpar]

LOL I literally knew it

[@flyingpiggles1034]

after a certain point fnaf's lore stopped being a coherent story to me and morphed into an amalgamation of interesting ideas for people to bounce off of and make far more interesting fan stories from

[@KindaSubpar]

which I appreciate from the community. there's a lot of interesting theories that begin to explain fnaf. but that's a byproduct of Scott's less than stellar storytelling

[@platinumg.8614]

Literal me when I was a child in FNaF 4. Idk why but I liked to make edgy stories or just imagining a more sad story with idk the characters being a character.

[@witchbxtch0330]

honestly same, anything after ucn became extremely confusing for me, even after playing help wanted but idk the new storyline ai-afton or whatever is confusing as hell

[@KindaSubpar]

@@witchbxtch0330 yea just too many questions and not enough answers

[@Notyouraveragegal69]

@@KindaSubpar I get what you're all on about, but like if you guys want any help with answers, then I'll gladly give some, just so you know...

[@TheKaijuKing54]

I still can’t believe how this franchise’s story went from a haunted Chuck E. Cheese, to an endoskeleton/computer-virus from the 80s trying to take over the world.

[@KindaSubpar]

I wonder the same thing lmaoo

[@roymackenzie-jy4lr]

Fnaf 4+ was when it got odd

[@bandawin18]

Went from Chuck E Cheese to SkyNet real quick 💀

[@ohno7153]

@@roymackenzie-jy4lr”hmm answer the bite 87 question or add some other random bite incident”

[@roymackenzie-jy4lr]

@@ohno7153 care to elaborate? Edit: oooohh

[@GDT-mp5cn]

The biggest problem I have with the lore is that it always feels like Scott just doesn't want it to be solved. Like, when FNaF 4 came out, and game theory did that live stream, I think that is the only case where he actually tried to give people pointers to where they were supposed to go. He's not explicitly told us anything since, and just keeps muddying the water with new information. Like, when the books came out, he first said they were in a completely separate canon, then later said that they are in a parallel canon that you need to use to solve the actual lore, then did the same thing for the Fazbear Frights books, and said nothing about the Tales ones. I get he didn't have the story planned when he started, but the constant retcons since have just made it really confusing, and like I said, it feels like he is adding stuff so that it goes unsolved, instead of letting us solve it and giving us clues to existing questions

[@KindaSubpar]

that's exactly what I think. throwing people off to keep it relevant which he could've done by making the story cohesive, it's so popular I'd imagine it would be relevant regardless. like sure he didn't have it all planned which is understandable. but we don't know what to make of each game and what parts to still consider in the story because of how the story is told

[@Dr_Damon_1111]

No s*** who wants their main income to be cut off of course he doesn't want it to be found

[@BlazeDube]

@@KindaSubpar I think if anything he should just tell us already since it's digging us a rabbit hole of insanity.

[@KindaSubpar]

@@BlazeDube a “fnaf explained” video from Scott would break the internet

[@BlazeDube]

@@KindaSubpar Hmmm. Yeah that's true it probably would.

[@Grampa_Swood]

This is how I felt about the lore as well, I just feel like at some point he relied on Game Theory to write the lore or something lol "don't show don't tell" is a perfect description of the fnaf lore.

[@KindaSubpar]

Yea that story had a lot of things going for it and it still does. But I don’t see anything changing going forward just more cryptic storytelling

[@DefNotMyBurner]

That’s exactly what has happened the last couple years. Dawko and MatPat have been directing the lore of the series since around FNAF 2, especially when FNAF 4 hit and then everyone immediately put all the pieces together but didn’t like the end result, which caused Scott to untie his already loose bow and add many more unnecessary strings to tie the story together. We went from a guy killing kids bc he was inexplicably murderous to “oh it turned out he was a mad scientist who killed the kids to experiment on remnant and agony so he could be immortal or something like that. Also tying critical pieces of lore into what was called “separate universes” through another form of media is insane. Didn’t Bungie get crucified around its release for telling majority of its lore through Grimiore pages that you had to read online?

[@rekttryhards2102]

I agree, I hate how Scott leaves it to the community to tell HIS story. That is SCOTT’s job, not ours. I shouldn’t have to go read a book to explain why a picture on a wall controls the spirits of the animatronics on the movie. The movie just had awful writing. It fundamentally fails as a movie for fans or casual movie goers.

[@Ben-zg8xk]

@@DefNotMyBurner yeah bungie did but thats because they promised a story, and then cut out the story and made a bunch of new lore to put in the grimiore, it sucks, but its not really the same thing as fnaf

[@sugoianimester5789]

100% agree with your take on multiple media used to tell a story. I shouldn't have to read 8 book epilogues just to understand who the mimic is in Ruin

[@KindaSubpar]

Yea the books and games should be entirely different canons with little to no overlap in story

[@Xfushion2]

Sister Location is when I gave up on the lore. The protagonist (Michael) gets _scooped_, meaning has most of his organs removed for an animatronic (Ennard) to wear him like a suit only for it to leave the body behind... and yet somehow the guy survives and goes on to (allegedly) be the main protagonist of most of the games (FNAF 1, 3 and 6). I never could take that seriously and completely killed the immersion for me: it's heavily implied that while he revived his body was left in a state of putrefaction (it was the reason Ennard left him, due to his body decomposing he was no longer a suitable disguise) so you basically have this zombie around nailing job interviews for security jobs, playing part in mayor events and no one even questions that? Later they tried to explain how he survived with the whole remnant stuff but it was a stretch IMO and just kept adding to an unnecessary complicated story.

[@KindaSubpar]

Yea I didn’t even touch remnant and agony since it hasn’t been mentioned in the games outside of the blueprints. I hated the transition from paranormal to sci fi

[@Random66860]

the game would have been much better if sister location's story focused on another character and that character died

[@calinmik429]

Here to tell you in the future that tales from the Pizzaplex confirm that remnant has the ability of regeneration

[@anuszbizsergetokommentek2171]

One thing I noticed was that just like me, most OG fans left fnaf when sister location and the silver eyes came out.

[@A.B.-ub9un]

The issue with the Crying Child's death being Williams descent into madness is that it doesn't explain why only the Crying Child can see or hear the Fredbear Plush speak, and if we are supposed to believe William is the plush, then why does he gaslight the Crying Child into thinking he saw something but he really didn't? Why does he say Mike hates him or plans to kill him? What does "I will put you back together" mean? We already had a character who tragically lost a child and began a descent into madness. That's how Henry is depicted in the novels. Why are we giving Henry's character art and personality traits to William all of a sudden?

[@KindaSubpar]

I'd imagine that William says these things to his son to keep him away from the pizzeria and his dangerous creations. I'm not too sure as for the Henry/William comparison. With what we have in the games it kinda makes sense but I personally believe Charlie was the first death and William continued killing out of curiosity for the possessions. but I could be very wrong due to the nature of how the story is told

[@A.B.-ub9un]

@@KindaSubpar Yet it's odd for such a "caring" and "protective" father to say things such as: "He locked you in your room again." "He hates you." "He knows you hate it here." "He won't stop until you find him." "What are you doing? Run!" "Don't you remember what you saw? Head for the exit!" "He's here! Hide!" "You know what happens if he catches you!" "Tomorrow is another day." If William knew that his son is getting bullied, why doesn't he tell Mike to stop? Why can't he afford a ACTUAL babysitter? Whatever happened to Mrs. Afton?

[@KindaSubpar]

@@A.B.-ub9un mrs afton is definitely a topic I’m interested in learning more about. And idk I can’t imagine a child murderer winning a Dad of the Year award

[@Dr_Damon_1111]

It probably isn't it changes every other Tuesday were 99% sure that it's just out of hate and ego that's why he killed charlet

[@javxion6576]

Henry is mad? He seemed like a guy full of guilt who just wnated to fix everything that happened in the series and pass away with his daughter.

[@maiyatheaselda1630]

You have a point. Its frustrating to solve a story that has a bunch of holes in it.

[@KindaSubpar]

Like Swiss cheese

[@banan9432]

"There are no holes in the plot; only holes in your understanding." -scott cawthon

[@KindaSubpar]

@@banan9432 I absolutely hate that lmaoo

[@banan9432]

@@KindaSubpar same

[@bonniebull1987]

I feel like it went downhill ever since Scott handed the rights to steelwool. How am I supposed to take a horror game about viruses seriously? What made the original series so unique was how scary the concept was. Kids at a family restaurant trusting strangers and suffering the consequences. Restless souls possessing robots and looking for closure. The whole stranger danger vibe William gave off. I could actually imagine being in that scenario. Now fnaf feels like a neckbeard's fanfic about becoming friends with daddy fazbear. How am I supposed to be scared of that? What initially made the robots scary was the concept of kids not being safe around the animatronics. I feel like Steelwool is a metaphor of the fazbear corporation. Caring less about the product and more about the success.

[@KindaSubpar]

I agree although Scott himself has stated that he tends to lean into sci fi instead of horror so it was probably ending up in that direction regardless of steel wool

[@moniqueperkinsmp]

fnaf 6 or fnaf 4 should have been the end, now we got mommy toy chica and the glamrocks being hot for no reason, especially chica and roxy to the point where, Did steel wool and the goo goo ga ga baby fanbase ruin this fandom?

[@bonniebull1987]

​@@moniqueperkinsmp Idk I feel like it has always been the goo goo ga ga baby fanbase. Heck, I remember being in 4th grade when the series became popular and my older sister would always freak out on my twin sister and I for being into the series at such a young age. There was always that lingering feeling of the truth comming out about what fnaf was really about and my mom disapproving of it. I mean kids being lured in a family establishment and murdered and having their bodies stuffed into suits seemed like such a dark subject at the time. And then you see today's kids who won't even bat an eye whatsoever when hearing the story. Heck, even the FGTEEV dad admitted at one point that he realised how messed up the story was and somehow had more of a chill reaction to letting his kid be into fnaf despite knowing the dark implications and even was apart of it. Now fnaf just feels like a generic fanfiction in the same vain as those IRL pony videos people kept making in the early 2010s where they pretend to be friends with the ponies, but in reality are just lonely people obsessed with them and desperately wishing they were real. Why should I care about the friendship between Daddy Fazbear and generic forgettable kid who could be replaced by literally anyone?

[@anorak3334]

Scott DIDN'T HAND THE FRANCHISE OVER TO STEEL WOOL. That never happened, nothing ever suggested it had happened. It has essentially been confirmed Scott's the one writing modern FNAF's story. The whole argument that Scott reitred is BS, bc he clearly did not. He wrote the script for the movie, admitted on the movie set to a youtuber he was more hands-on with RUIN during it's development, he's been back to actively making Reddit posts, and hell, he's even recently made a new troll game, Freddy In Space 3

[@KindaSubpar]

@@anorak3334 he may not have “handed it over” but he’s no longer the sole creator of fnaf like he used to be. He still had a hand in the franchise of course

[@rj-1506]

all the scifi stuff killed it for me. like why couldn't it simply be just a story about kids' spirits possessing animatronics? FNAF 3 should have been the end.

[@dmitrivologoslav]

i think fnaf 6 at the very latest cos at least it still makes sense. the story in help wanted and sb is just silly 😂

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@dmitrivologoslavfnaf 6 is where i stopped caring about the lore, henry and charlie charlie characters BROKED appart the lore, you need to read alternative universe books to understand 2 characters 💀

[@dmitrivologoslav]

@@Wizardjones69 yeah it's mad. 1-6 is a not perfect, but great story and could've 100% ended there. they shudda make sb and hw js seperate games with their own little story

[@Wizardjones69]

@@dmitrivologoslav its because fnaf fans treats the mimic character as something new because you need to read the books to understand one character, but pizza sim already has that and no one complain about that 💀

[@DefNotMyBurner]

The amount of mental gymnastics a FNAF fan goes through to act as if the story isn’t convoluted or just become a corpse of itself is hilarious. Remnant and agony and illusion disks etc realllly put the nail in the coffin for me.

[@KindaSubpar]

I agree. There’s way too much going on. Could’ve stuck with a messed up family story and possessed robots

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@KindaSubpartheres also the daddy issues

[@vincenzofranchelli2201]

Ye they forced explanations that werent needed with that remnant shit (as if that makes more sense than possessed) and didnt bother explaining stuff that actually mattered

[@freenkles]

I really like the theory that every time a theorist came close to solving the lore, Scott changed it. It explains a lot of lore inconsistencies from game to game. And at a certain point it felt like he was trying to make it a puzzle instead of just the story associated with the game, which could be fine. It’s just that he obviously didn’t want it to be lore-heavy at the start until it picked up in popularity DUE TO THE LORE. And so it wasn’t very thought out

[@KindaSubpar]

hit the nail on the head with this one

[@lmads8023]

The problem with the fnaf lore, is there has never been a set in stone story. Comics with multiple weekly releases in the same canon with many different writers have more coherent story telling

[@ark_awaits3367]

I think the main change to the lore that would fix most problems with it is just giving the characters more blatant depth and character arcs. All the sci-fi concepts could be grounded thanks to grounded characters with actual goals and motives. William Afton could be a man obssessed with control. This could be why he abuses his children and kills others. To make him feel in control. But deep down he's plagued with feelings of powerlessness. He projects all these feelings towards death, because it's the one thing he cannot escape from. Eventually leading to him discovering remnant etc. This one change makes the most ridiculous parts of the story compelling imo. And this take of William Afton I'm pitching is alluded to in the story. The problem is it's very hidden and you have to read in between the lines.

[@MelonBro478]

I feel like the convoluted and repetitive lore takes away from the horror and emotion of Five Nights At Freddy's. I've felt this way for a long time.

[@Luring_Leon]

The main reason why I don’t like the lore is because after fnaf 4 Scott was focused on making sure we understood the past games which in turn made a endless loop of “1st game lore to confusing, 2nd game tried to explain it”.

[@hammy6968]

The way I see it: FNaF has a very overall interesting lore but the way the story is told is mediocre at best. Aside from knowing the animatronics are haunted, and that William Afton killed 5 kids and later became springtrap, other important information like Cassidy or illusion discs are NEVER touched on in the games (at least explicitly/directly). There’s so much info that people need to get from the books in order to actually understand the in-game lore, which just convolutes everything even further. The story of Help Wanted and anything after it is a big mess, no matter how interesting or cool the ideas are. It still can’t be denied that the narrative of this series isn’t as good as it used to be, and the fact that all of the mystery is ruined due to how frustrating it is to actually decipher it. TL;DR: the lore is good but the story is bad. The series should’ve stuck to simpler/different ideas without the need of the books.

[@KindaSubpar]

you honestly got it 100%. Too much went on after too long just to add more to the story. Simpler was better

[@tonythunder6048]

One thing I dislike is sometimes a passing line will just happen and at the time you’re like “Oh okay that makes sense” but then something new happens and you go back to the old games and now the timeline is all messed up. For example Fnaf 2 is in 1987 which is a prequel to Fnaf 1 right? Well if we take what phone guy said on night one literally that the Fnaf 1 animatronics have been there at that location for 20 years, then means they’ve been there since 197X, and if that’s true how are the whithered still the og Fnaf 1 animatronics? But no matter how you try to make the timeline makes sense, sister location always messes it up. On top of that, Fnaf 3 takes place 30 years after the original missing children incident or was it the bite of 87. The game never tells us but it makes things more confusing since sister location apparently takes place before Fnaf 2 possibly since it’s a theory Mike might be Mike Schmidt and Fritz, but the only way he could do that was BC sister location, which left him as a purple zombie, but if he’s been one since Fnaf 2 when the bite and MCI happened, how did he not know it was his dad or why didn’t he tell the police about the murder bots he used to have, the lore is just confusing and every new game just messes up the timeline in about 4 different ways each time

[@KindaSubpar]

Yea it all gets jumbled up and the more games/info that come out the less sense the old games make

[@tonythunder6048]

I would’ve liked it more if Fnaf 1 -3 is MCI story. 4-6 is tying up loose ends and the Aftons and everything after should’ve been brand new with referencing the old things without rewriting history each time a new game comes out

[@SansBadTime]

the withereds were never the OG ones, even the broken spots on them are different and the way they're built is. you really think the police is gonna trust a guy who's skin is so rotten he's purple ? I don't even know if he can speak like that, besides, police have already tried to do things at freddy's and they failed miserably

[@tonythunder6048]

@@SansBadTime but didn’t phone guy say they’re gonna take the whithered animatronics and fix them for a new location, I think I saw it on the newspaper too, I think. It’s been too long since I paid attention to the old games

[@SansBadTime]

@@tonythunder6048 I don't remember that, come back once you've found the source, but there's probably an already established explanation for it

[@MarcoBeSomething]

Excellent video, I check in on the series every so often because I still like it but I’m not into the new stuff because of points mentioned in your video. I remember during the original run how cool the prerelease content before each game was and how people would make videos breaking it down before releases. I personally think the best thing would have been to finish the original story and then starting a new continuity instead of trying to build on one that admittedly was never completely solid to begin with.

[@KindaSubpar]

yea i completely agree. it's fun to see what's been going on lately but it's just so off the walls compared to what it was that made it so good imo. different continuities or a brand new disconnected story probably should've been the way to go

[@MarcoBeSomething]

@KindaSubpar I like Sega's approach, where they basically have defined eras of merchandise and media for Sonic to differentiate the continuities. I feel like FNAF right now is in a weird place where they want to do new things but keep everything attached to the beginning and I just don't think that works, especially when you had fans of the original games invested in the lore and brush them away by retconing everything they were invested in by saying that those events happened just not to the scale you experienced prior.

[@xyonjobe9716]

I feel like it's more like one of the most influential cash grabs instead of like a genuine game like no good game takes inspiration from fnaf

[@beezlegd823]

I really feel like FNAF 6 was the perfect end to FNAF. The story wasnt too complicated, and it had a melancholy but sweet ending where everybody found peace. I think it would have just been better for the new games to be more of a spinoff series

[@torleah]

Wasn't too complicated? Sister Location is set before everything yet has the most advanced tech (fnaf 3 takes place in 2023 and SL takes place mid 80s) yet SL has remnant and the funtimes and shit. If FNAF 3 was a good FNAF game that's where the series would've ended, but Scott couldn't dissapoint us and released 4. 4 was 100% fine, but SL re opened the lore that had already been closed. SL left tons of plot holes, and purple guy always coming back to life just feels like a money grab to set up another shit game

[@torleah]

But I do say FNAF 6 was the best possible way to try and salvage the series, and if it could'nt end at 3 or 4 it wouldve had to end at 6, but it didn't (fuck you steel wool)

[@beezlegd823]

@@torleah Yes but at that point, the lore was still good. And it felt special to understand everything going on. Now it’s a bunch of AI bullshit dumbed down for any 6 year old iPad kid to understand

[@torleah]

@@beezlegd823 it was ruined at 5, saved at 6, and anything after 6 is ass

[@Wizardjones69]

Nope, should ended in fnaf world or 3, after that it fell off when fnaf sl jumped the shark

[@alteragent]

My headcanon is that William killed Cassidy by using the Fredbear suit to have them springlocked generating more agony/hatred for him due to being trapped in a motionless suit for days having to look at the other suit which they believed was a character they could trust while being stabbed with animatronic parts and this might also be the reason for golden freddy's supernatural powers.

[@KindaSubpar]

I actually like the idea of William using a springlock suit as a murder weapon

[@alteragent]

@@KindaSubpar if Scott ever confirms this to be true that would also instantly prove that Fredbear and Golden Freddy are the same animatronic which I feel like ucn already implied

[@jaddenn7660]

The lore itself stopped being a clear story itself, It becomes like math homework, It's almost as if Scott just does not want us to know.

[@baitposter]

My headcanon follows Dune as a precedent to keep FNAF lore simple: Only FNAF1 is canon

[@FilthyTea]

God, I wished Scott just patched fnaf 3 to give the game better jumpscares and didn’t just make an entirely new game and make the lore way more convoluted. Imo, the story took a nosedive because of the books. Fnaf 4 was unnecessary, but I will admit it added some interesting things, like backstory for Mike and the crying child, but as soon as the series started going in a weird goofy sci-fi direction, it got really bad. I hate sister location.

[@KindaSubpar]

I 99% agree (I kinda like sister location)

[@Wizardjones69]

​@@KindaSubparthe game that jumped the shark was pizza sim btw

[@SCP-469]

The funny thing is William descent into madness is the one thing this series portrayed as explicitly Non canon He was in reality an abusive pure evil asshole the whole time. This idea of a grieving father was never real, because he didn’t care about his children as people but as objects

[@KindaSubpar]

A fair take, but his dialogue with Elizabeth (not a lot to go off I know) seems to show that he did care for her. So it stands to reason that he cared for the rest of his kids until Michael killed his brother Nothing in this series is really explicitly stated but it’s fair to assume William was a caring man at some point to some degree

[@SCP-469]

@@KindaSubpar there’s the books and the movie where his son never dies or was never born and he has a kid Guess what he does to them

[@KindaSubpar]

@@SCP-469 the books are a different take on the story at least that’s how I understood them

[@SCP-469]

@@KindaSubpar They’re basically alternate and the fact that William is still an asshole should tell you something And Fazbear Frights specifically calls him pure evil and that shi was made to fill gaps in the games

[@recordingcrow4128]

underrated as hell

[@OleksiyAntonkin]

You know you've made an ending sequence to your game just so much impactful and masterful when in a rather surface level video description of games it's getting its own full-on segment dedicated to it

[@KindaSubpar]

despite the lore's flaws pizza simulator would've been a perfect end to the main series

[@SansBadTime]

​@@KindaSubpar look at the bright side, it ended the main villain.

[@KindaSubpar]

@@SansBadTime unfortunately he’s still around in the form of glitchtrap and maybe burntrap

[@SansBadTime]

@@KindaSubpar that's the mimic immitating him, that's the one thing I loved the ruin DLC for clarifying.

[@KindaSubpar]

@@SansBadTime did it clarify it? I know it’s a possibility but it’s just as vague as everything else as far as I know

[@MimDe]

The fact that they're hiding the Crying Child's name is honestly stupid. Like, it's a name ????? Why everything is so conplicated in Fnaf?

[@MimDe]

@HELPY-GO-BRRR hell nah fnaf glazer

[@MimDe]

@HELPY-GO-BRRR never actually confirmed. The official encyclopedia just says Crying Child. Yeah, I agree that is probably Evan too but the fact that they can't just confirm it is dumb.

[@LiMe251]

​@@MimDeThe Foxy Grid has been solved, it's Dave (evad spelled backwards)

[@gothwang7646]

after the movie i’ve admitted to exhaustion and this video explains why perfectly. it’s so sad as someone whose been here from the start it really does feel hallow atp.

[@KindaSubpar]

Exactly how I’m feeling. Hoping Help Wanted 2 dials it in

[@Khloe.6102]

@@KindaSubparand help wanted 2 didn’t help either…

[@CatSlapps]

The fact is that lore was dead children in a suit to the book with robotic humans and superpower animals robots.🤖

[@Aaaa-g6u8e]

4:32 >What was in the box? "Toy Chica's missing beak." ~Scott, trolling the fans

[@RockHoward256]

Fair Enough actually also agreed, Pizzeria Simulator's ending was PEAK

[@haijisenrihagefird]

I agree with you. FNAF should have ended in FNAF6, though from FNAF SL already showed its flaws. It went from an horror but interesting and mysterious story to a stupid sci-fi that i do not like at all. Agony, Virus, Mimic, Glitchtrap, Inmortality???? What's going on??? It breaks with all the seriousness as well as the feeling of you trying to solve a mystery. Now you feel completely isolated from reaching the truth, and that's what FNAF Security Breach is for me. It's an unnecesary game that keeps expanding the lore while everything that happened before is still unclear. And the DLC didn't make clear anything either. FNAF it has become a game where you just play to get more and more questions; but not that kind of questions that can be related, resolved and aims to what we already know... It's just unanswered questions with an unanswered information. At the end, you just gotta play SB and the DLC and get surprised with the "plot" and let's going on. As you said, keeping things mysterious is so cool. Let the players resolve the story by themselves! But obviously you gotta put the hints cleverly so they can reach it reasonably. By not responding to anything, not giving clear hints, writting 700 books over it.. You're just complicating the process. And this might work for 3-4 games, but when your lore is expanding AMAZINGLY while not even the first questions from the first games are answered, the game is going down completely, because the satisfaction of knowing what's happening is not there anymore. You cannot expand a building if its bases aren't reinforced. It's obviously going to fall down, and that's what's happening to FNAF. FNAF should have ended in FNAF6 instead of making bigger something that never asked for a grow-up. The new games are just a pain in the ass since it gives the feeling of "what was all we've been knowing so far for?"

[@KindaSubpar]

Hit the nail on the head with this comment

[@darling..............]

I was fine with remnant until the whole virus thing and whole sci fi stuff,look i get that security breach takes in the future in the lore but damn all horror aspects completely gone

[@christiancardona7342]

I respect your opinion on fnaf lore

[@loganentertainment1814]

I 100% admit the Fnaf lore is no doubt very complicated, confusing, and goes in too many different directions that makes it more confusing for people to solve. Even Scott admitted he wasn't a genius when he made the games lore during Fnaf's golden years. While its story isn't perfect, that's ok. Given that the newer Fnaf content (like Tales from the Pizzaplex and the newer games) are going back into the past, Matpat theorized its supposed to help tie the lose ends to the lore so we can finally move on. Not that its a bad thing, because there are some things in Fnaf's old timeline we never really understood. One example being, we never knew if Fnaf 4 was real or a dream? We learned that in Dittophobia, the nightmare characters (Except Fredbear because he wasn't mentioned), were just lifeless suits on bare metal skeletons set on tracks which looked like real nightmares because of a chemical gas that caused hallucinations when the main protagonist was breathing it. Is the FNAF Lore terrible? Not really Is it convoluted? Yes Could it have been better? Sure Is FNAF a terrible franchise? No Overall, Fnaf is one of those franchises that I love, and it'll still remain as my favorite, flaws and all.

[@KindaSubpar]

I agree overall. I don’t like using the books to “solve” old lore. Especially if it’s all the evidence we have. But I’m always gonna love the series

[@Notyouraveragegal69]

@@KindaSubpar why not though, if the books explain something then we should obviously take those as fact, it's like ignoring offical material...

[@KindaSubpar]

@@Notyouraveragegal69 correct me if I’m wrong but the books never outright explain anything. At best they’re sorta renditions of what we know with different names and whatnot. So there’s nothing we can take as 100% fact. But from a storytelling standpoint why don’t the games provide that information? Having to read multiple books to understand what’s going on in the games is lame imo

[@gothwang7646]

@@Notyouraveragegal69but also why make a movie set in the first location but not have it solve the games lore. instead create a thick book that has a few hints or nods to the answers we want again never outright saying it

[@Notyouraveragegal69]

@@KindaSubpar No? The books explain a lot of concepts, like how remnant works and how agony works, and what happened during the life cycle of the Pizzaplex, what happened to The Mimic? How did we get here? etc etc…

[@decomposingdave2902]

I like to think of a reimagining for a springlock suit were it’s actually called a mech trap suit cuz that’s what real life animatronic endos are called and the way the locks look are basically long thin metal rods with other smaller thin metal rods sticking outwards of them on the sides looking like they are made out of pieces of chicken wire welded together like a cut up modified contraption made from a cage and if the suit is very old that’s when it actually snaps in on you and the only things you have to wind up are the spring loaded hinges that are connected to them at the very ends of them what do y’all think of this concept :) ???

[@adrianstucky3186]

To me the story ends after fnaf 4 or ucn. Just like the Star Wars series I chose to ignore the sequels. They don’t exist in my canon.

[@spunchbob1987]

i couldnt agree more this is exactly how i feel about it

[@doctorgrubious7725]

So if I remember correctly, the reasoning for the “Vanessa” crap, and the “virus”, is that when a soul possesses a body, the metal becomes some sort of magic metal… what does it do? Idk, it’s just magic metal, So apparently after springtrap burnt in the end of 6, (apparently he possessed the spring Bonnie suit, which… yeah he’s clearly not alive, idk why people assume so, he’s just stuffed himself in a suit), the game company that made the VR recovers the metal, and somehow decides, and I’m not joking, that they need to make the game better by using the circuit boards of a burnt costume to use for the game, and considering that now the games are canon in universe and where commissioned by the company, this means the following: The company, fully aware of the murders, the name of the murderer, and the souls trapped inside, has decided to salvage the *ONE* known serial killer out of the *ENTIRE* burnt place, and use the circuit board to *MAKE A GAME WHERE HE BECOMES A VIRUS* , than, this is revealed in security breach, BUILD ANOTHER FUCKING BUSINESS ON THE BURNT REMAINS OF THE OLD ONE WHERE SPRINGTRAP IS STILL ALIVE DESPITE ALSO BEING A VIRUS

[@KindaSubpar]

This series really went off the rails

[@DrakeTheCaster]

It feels like with Scott's like 'announcement' or post about thebox in Fnaf4 it sounds like whatever "the truth" aka what was in the box was, he realized was complete shit compared to the fountain of fan-theories that exist. Pair that with him obviously wanting to continue/milk the franchise, I think he realized both the mystery being solved AND it creating massive backlash from fans would kill the series completely- so he threw away the proverbial keys to the box and has basically continued to let fans have fun with the never-ending mystery that is only ever being added to and made more convoluted.

[@Rebelrose]

For me, One of the biggest parts of the FNAF lore going downhill was Game Theory. Nothing against him, But it kinda felt like his popularity and his theories are a part of Scott changing things around just cause he either solve them or he thought what Mat said was a good idea. Especially with it being only his theories that changed stuff around. I'm not entirely blaming him though, it's mostly that sorta rivalry Scott made up with him for no reason. I mean Scott said it himself.

[@KindaSubpar]

I agree, but as the creator it was up to Scott to make his own ideas to tell the best story possible. Not switch things around just to throw Mat off

[@Rebelrose]

@@KindaSubpar To me, It's sort of a mix of both. It's really that whole relationship that started messing the story around

[@RandomfnafFanToumi]

You don't know how much I've gone Insane THE FNAF LORE IS SO CONFUSING THAT THIS COULD BE A DREAM EVEN SCOTT DOESN'T THE FNAF LORE HE WATCHES GAME THEORY VIDEOS (Bye matpat) Yeah it is confusing and people believe Jeremy fought william afton and fritz died running and its not canon It doesn't even says it in the games,(including fnaf world ) spin offs, and books, so yeah

[@MC-pd9xo]

Fnaf hasn’t had a proper story since the third game. It feels like starting with Fnaf 4 every game went back and added stuff to parts of the story that should be complete. It’s like Scott couldn’t move on. It’s a little like the Saw franchise, where each movie tries to froce a new twist that is supposed to change how you look at the entire series, but it just ends up as a mess. It’s only recently with Steelwool that the new games have started to let go of the old lore instead of trying to force themselves into it.

[@KindaSubpar]

Yea my thoughts exactly. My biggest issue with steel wool aside from the super pg gameplay is how they handled vanny. Hopefully the mimic ends up being decent

[@strikebomber2944]

this is why bendy and poppy playtime are better. good coherent stories that still have a bit of mystery to them. something fnaf could never do

[@StarlinkFK]

We get to know who the phone guy was in the fnaf movie, it was William Afton (Sprigtrap, Purple guy) cause in fnaf 1 calls he says "Ill catch you on the flip side" and in the movie william afton / purple guy says "so ill catch you on the flipside"

[@Mody_emad601]

I think the best and most well written story in video games is the legacy of kain series, it is not that confusing and it ties everything so well together and an ending that leaves you wanting more,it is a good example of how you write a good story.... unlike FNAF right here😏

[@rocketcrushergaming9445]

Scott needs to start confirming things instead of just adding more theory bait on top of it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to have theory bait, especially for fnaf, but it’s gotten to the point where we don’t even know 100% what happened in fnaf 1, 2, 3, and 4. All we know right now are theories. It’s like leaving every bit of information on a cliffhanger and then just never explaining anything in the sequel. Theory bait can be amazing, remember how maze runner 1 had a lot of theory bait about what is happening? Pretty much everything was explained later in the sequels, piece by piece. Now we have a movie which was at first thought to be following the games (Mainly saying this because Scott explained it that way) but now we genuinely have no clue because we don’t even know what tf happened. During the time the movie came out, half the fandom was convinced that Mike Schmidt was Mike Afton and was William Afton’s son but now his only child is Vanessa from Security Breach and Mike Schmidt lost his brother and seemingly reflects the Emily family (according to theorists, personally I just want the Schmidts to stay the Schmidts. Not every character in the games need to be part of the Afton or Emily families. It just makes the whole thing unrealistic and annoying) Don’t even mention the new direction this franchise is going in. Fazgoo, The Mimic, Digital Afton, none of this follows the series which was more down to earth and semi-realistic (y’know aside from the ghosts. As said in the video “Paranormal to Sci-fi”). Imagine if in the new Scream movie, Ghostface was unmasked to be an alien or an ultra high-tech robot. It would be horrible.

[@KindaSubpar]

I love the comparison to Maze Runner. And that’s how it should be. Whats going on? And little by little things are explained (some extra mysteries here and there aren’t bad either). But instead fnaf dumped more mystery while explaining little to nothing The movies can be their own thing story wise I don’t really mind (but it would’ve been cool to have some insight to the games lore) I don’t love the games current direction. Completely wacky and all over the place for the kiddos instead of the paranormal aspects of a restaurant chain which was semi grounded by comparison

[@rocketcrushergaming9445]

@@KindaSubpar Yeah, the idea of the pizzaplex is fine, it’s cool, it’s whatever. However, I believe that it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense story wise for Freddy Fazbears to become whatever the heck a pizzaplex is but it’s fine. The main problem is robotic children, the mimic, and remnants don’t fit the original idea of fnaf. It really makes it sci-fi comedy instead of paranormal horror. It kinda messes with the franchise to the point where the og games don’t make sense and have to be retconned to fit into the base plot which sours the taste of the og games. Back to the pizzaplex thing, I think instead of that mall/pizzaria/arcade/I don’t even know anymore, it could have been an outdoor amusement park. Would have made the story feel more grounded to reality instead of what it feels like now.

[@BlockyRaptor]

To me it just ends at fnaf 6

[@rockstarherospirit]

The series should have ended at 6 because that gave us all the answers and only had a tiny bit of mystery that was unimportant anyway (midnight motorist). 3 also would have made a fine ending to the series and maybe should have been the end, but I did enjoy 4-6.

[@KindaSubpar]

i agree. despite the problems up until that point I think it was the perfect send off

[@Sparky6Voltz]

As expected, I 100% agree with everything said in this video

[@KindaSubpar]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@jaky0628]

another great video ofc kindasubpar!

[@KindaSubpar]

Thanks man

[@_.incredible_magnum._291]

Theres a few things that out right nake me angry. Like what was the midnight motorist game truely?? What were the spring lock failures?!?! And when does sister location take place.

[@KindaSubpar]

Spring lock failures were explained pretty well in the 3rd game and I think it was mentioned in sister location too. I agree on the rest though

[@AceBanana]

This is an awesome video, seriously well done!!

[@BTthekingnocap]

They just don’t stop releasing

[@pennyblush98]

Shit, you're good hun. Really well put together video, and as an outsider of this franchise, it's really helpful to see how its fans grew and changed with the passing of time and each release of every new game. Subbed 😊

[@KindaSubpar]

thank you so much! I don't feel like the series grew with its original fanbase which may or may not be the topic for my next video

[@pennyblush98]

@@KindaSubpar I'm interested to see where you go from here 😁 all the best

[@MikefromBB7]

My headcannon is just fnaf 1-4 and the lore associated with them.

[@adetheaters1111]

personally I would have made the one'S you should not have killed and make it a trio of charlie, mike, and CC, NO CASIDY, and instead of william being back in help wanted your playing as will in it and at the end you like jolt awake back to another night at UCN and reveal there who the ONE'S you should not of killed. like maybe like he wakes up and there like "back for another round?" or something. oh and no security breach

[@KindaSubpar]

yea Cassidy just felt too random to me

[@Monhamd1000]

Fnaf should have ended in Ultimate Custom Night in my opinion, Help Wanted is cool but damn, Help Wanted 2 kinda didn't need to exist.

[@KindaSubpar]

I agree. I like the idea of fnaf vr if that’s all it was without the lore stuff going on

[@Wizardjones69]

I think the story should ended with fnaf world/3, pizza sim ending just feels, empty........ it was fnaf pizza sim that started the trend of putting book characters in game lore, if you dont read the books, you wont understand henr and charlie character, and midinight motorist IS the worst minigame in the series, change my mind

[@KindaSubpar]

Strongly agree. The convoluted lore was Scott’s reaction to the community trying to piece the story together

[@Wizardjones69]

@@KindaSubpar people say that the mimic started all of this, but this started since fnaf pizza sim 💀

[@WitheredCircle]

Great video! Well done.

[@KindaSubpar]

Thanks!

[@bandawin18]

I like me a good cryptic story but holy shit is fnaf EVER gonna have anything definite? Like come on now man, cryptic doesn't mean completely open ended and never ending

[@XSViperYT]

I wholeheartedly agree. There’s some AMAZING aspects of the FNAF timeline I feel go overlooked, but it’s all lost in all the recent garbage the FNAF machine has been churning out every year. Books upon books of vaguely relevant plot threads that just completely lost me. I personally believe the Fazbear Frights Novels are where the story REALLY started to take a steep decline in quality.

[@thewanderersaiyan8095]

Fnaf theorist : hmm. First time.

[@KindaSubpar]

Lmaoo idk how they do it

[@Ben117-r9p]

Scott Cawthon destroyed his own series because he didn't know when to stop

[@simongonzalez7721]

bro you made a good video how do you only have 281 subs? you earned me as a sub keep up the good work find what suits you best and I bet you can be a big channel in the future. 😁😁

[@KindaSubpar]

Thanks! Definitely got more videos coming

[@anuszbizsergetokommentek2171]

Fnafs story is actually great! Just ignore everything past fnaf 3 and maybe 4.

[@linguisticspaceship]

I don't get why you think FNAF 4 was trying to say the series was all a dream?

[@KindaSubpar]

Some other teasers imply it, the “toy” animatronics, the toy Chica beak thing scott pointed out. There’s some solid evidence for it but obviously sister location shut that down

[@linguisticspaceship]

@@KindaSubpar Well my issue is that I don't see the implications really. The toy chica's beak in particular is odd to me because the dream theory explanation doesn't answer the question of WHY it is missing from the toy in the first place. And the solution of that kid eventually possessing Toy Chica always seemed more straightforward and simple? FNAF 4 in general uses more metaphorical and symbolical storytelling which threw a lot of people off

[@KindaSubpar]

@@linguisticspaceship yea I can see that. It doesn’t really matter now “oh it was all a dream” is always a lazy way to explain things anyways

[@TheFuntimeCrew]

I think Golden Freddy's identity was answered in stage 01. Its Fredbear, but withered. Because spring bonnie is next to him. Edit: I hate this by the way, but its probably true.

[@KindaSubpar]

yea that's almost certainly the case

[@TheFuntimeCrew]

@@KindaSubpar the only counter is the design in the minigame in fnaf 4, see, this is why I like the return to bloody nights. The designs were on par with the games! Fredbear 1.0 was golden freddy and fredbear 2.0 was fredbear. Why did Scott have to be so petty about that miniscule detail!?

[@Eris1987]

Where do you get the idea of Scott not wanting to give a detailed explanation? I've been trying to find the source for that.

[@yourneighbour3309]

feel ya, nice vid

[@nikodemospl870]

Screw Fnaf lore, I prefer Postal lore

[@SweaterSwagg]

The word "Ineffective" means "lacking/insufficient, not enough", btw

[@skeletonviper]

Great video

[@avery2896]

the lore immediately fell off after 4

[@JNJNRobin1337]

theory: its all springtrafton he allways allways

[@AnaCorralejo]

Thanks!

[@KindaSubpar]

thanks!!

[@isabellnikolett]

great video!!!

[@wutrudoin]

The grey guy from FNaF World is actually Scott Cawthon.

[@KindaSubpar]

SCOTT IS DEAD?!?!

[@wutrudoin]

@@KindaSubpar No but the minigame is metaphorical.

[@wutrudoin]

@@KindaSubpar Also SL already debunks Henry being grey guy because Henry didn't make Baby.

[@wutrudoin]

14:39 Because she just wasn't in her room during the minigames?

[@Guy96477]

It really should have ended at fnaf 4 ngl

[@veronicalangford1278]

I've seemed freddy Fazbear did not killed all five children dead same other different thing like that. Glamrock Freddy did not killed all five or more children dead . Fredbear did not killed kid dead. Some good or bad robotics, humans beasts furry and other different thing like that.

[@ItsM-005]

Fnaf 1-7 Was Fine Yet a kinda massacre but was fine but then…

[@whitneywoods54]

To be honest I feel like the lore kinda works I mean sure it’s weird but that’s what makes fnaf so fun besides matpats bills need to be paid but hay I can see why I mean why very complicated without the theories so that’s just my opinion

[@b0nkb0ii]

We gotta stop lumping from 1-6 and Help Wanted- Ruin in the same story/ timeline. IMO, they're separate universes and I just see no way possible to connect the two. I would also lump the books with Help Wanted- Ruin, they just make the most sense theory wise.

[@KindaSubpar]

Although I agree with the idea that the two are so different in story and tone. it's clear that the games are meant to be one very long series of events

[@Superdude4001]

The fnaf lore should have ended at fnaf 4 at this point

[@Random66860]

I don't think so

[@ohno7153]

It should’ve ended at three. Four started the whole mess with the bite of 83 and whatever.

[@Random66860]

@@ohno7153 if we end the problems in the entire franchise, it's much better to end the game at 6

[@sufi09853]

To be entirely honest with people, I kinda wish FNAF ended with ether FNAF 4 or FNAF 6. Because in my opinion, those two games were so close to ending the original story for good. But now, FNAF just seems like a story where bullshit can come out of nowhere just because it can. To bring up an example of this, does anyone hate the fact that there's an explanation to ghost in the FNAF universe, instead of it just be unexplained? Well I'm sorry to tell you, there is an explanation to it. And it ain't a good one. Introducing to you all, remnant and agony. One of the most stupidest plot points in modern FNAF history. The reason why it's stupid is pretty simple. FNAF originally was supposed to be scary and you know, full of paranoia. That was FNAF's original identity back then. And what made it's original identity work, is the kids possessing the robots and being scary. Making you wonder who was possessing the robots. But ever since remnant and agony came into the picture, now it's basically, "William Affton is using remnant and agony to become this sort of god that has no consequences to him what so ever." And I just hate that personally. And speaking of William Affton, William used to be this scheming murderer that can legitimately cause issues for people in the story. But now, he's just this force of nature where he comes back every time, because the writers don't know how to make a different character other then William Affton himself. (And if people want an example of this, then let me bring up Vanny. Vanny in Security Breach was supposed to be the villain of that game. But they ended up replacing her for William Affton. But when the fans disliked that, the writers, (backed up into the corner) came up with using The Mimic as the villain. Instead of just, oh I don't know, MAKING VANNY THE MAIN POINT OF YOUR GAME, AND GIVING HER A REASON TO BE IN THE STORY.) To make things short, I hate the direction FNAF is going in these days. I always loved the first 4 FNAF games before the books and before sister location came out. Because they were so interesting and creepy to look at from a narrative point of view. FNAF lore used to be simple and easy to understand. But now it's all convoluted just for the sake of the mystery being hard to solve.

[@shellshock3864]

I feel as if since steelwool made the vr game the story went down hill

[@sadi0807]

the vr game is definitely the best game, just not in terms of lore

[@Under_Score]

It pays my bills lol so I can't really hate it too much

[@KindaSubpar]

Fair enough. I’m tryna get like you

[@jibberjack64]

Hello again

[@KindaSubpar]

Hey what’s up. Streaming fnaf 3 soon

[@jibberjack64]

Sweet I can’t wait

[@jibberjack64]

I can’t wait till vr it would look so cool it would probably be my favourite

[@KindaSubpar]

@@jibberjack64 I need to get a vr headset first lmaoo

[@jibberjack64]

Yeah probably that would be needed

[@crowbar2368]

Fnaf 1 -What was the bite of 87? Fnaf 2 - Btw there is this purple figure killing people Fnaf 3 Fnaf 4

[@hotlinetheog]

You right

[@dearsirdearyou4153]

0:53 you don't want it to succeed?

[@KindaSubpar]

Of course I do. I just don’t think fnaf would’ve hit fame status if not for the lore

[@BoardItUp.]

W video

[@theperson4yearsago565]

Maeks no sense

[@SuperSonicbros4]

Eh i still love the fnaf lore. Its good and fine in my opinion

[@KindaSubpar]

that's a fair take. i just think the story could be told better

[@SuperSonicbros4]

@@KindaSubpar Ok

[@grimmason7377]

@@KindaSubparI agree but I love the fnaf lore still.

[@Wholelottacuddles]

Its not that hard really Ive Solved the original 7 games

[@sage-hf6bx]

Yeah and I solved world hunger

[@Jasm783]

Maybe because there's so many lore videos on youtube? Like millions lore videos lol fnaf is so lore of lore 🤣😂