Why I left the church of Christ part 2

[@Wesdavidson81]

We are so thankful we found this. I was raised in COC my whole life then my wife has been with me 22 years in the church. We recently left and hearing your testimony really answered a lot of my questions. Thank you!

[@desireehernandez6108]

I want to thank you Amber for your videos. I too left the Church of Christ this past January. My family and I attended faithfully for 3 1/2 years, 3 times a week. When I first started attending I knew almost nothing about scripture. I learned a lot and I’m truly grateful for the members of Church of Christ. The last year of my time here I felt like I just hit a wall and there was no where to turn. Sermons and bible studies are repetitive. We were taught that we were the only true church and everyone else is going to hell. It is true when you are in it, it doesn’t seem all that bad but watching your videos help me to remember why I left. I was told that I am not a member of the body of Christ anymore because I left. I told them that they never added me to the Church, that I made a covenant with God when I was baptized and I am the Church. After I left I got very depressed because all the people from that church I no longer had anymore. They cannot fellowship with me anymore. I attend a different Christian Church now. I wasn’t raised with a family so I do miss the family I had at CoC. But I now know that it is by believing in Christ Jesus that we are saved. God can know our heart. I truly follow Jesus Christ in my everyday living and I do have so much reverence for the Lord. I know now that satin wants to keep this Church Of Christ here to blind them from Gods Holy Spirit. It’s good to rejoice and be excited in our Lord🎉 We don’t have to be fearful because we have freedom in Jesus!🎉💝 Thank you again & God bless you and your family! Your sister in Christ, Desiree

[@graceambassador65]

*Praise God,* Desiree! i pray hopefully that your "current" church home will teach you *ALL The Counsel Of God!* For Today, Found In *Romans - Philemon #* Be Blessed: *God's GREATEST News Ever = HIS Gospel Of The Amazing GRACE Of God!* For ALL who have NOT YET *Been WASHED IN THE BLOOD!* Do you Desire ETERNAL Condemnation? If so, then just please "remain" as you are - In "UNbelief": 😢 ↓ (Luke 18 : 11-12!) for ALL others who wish to be "humble" ♫😇↑ (Luke 18 : 13-14!): *FAITH Cometh By hearing, And hearing By The Word Of God!:* Amen?: *(ALL Scriptures From God's Preserved WORD = KJV! ##)* *The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God! = God's ETERNAL Salvation! By:* 100% faith (heart belief, trust!) in *The LORD JESUS CHRIST,* *In HIS Blood, And In HIS Resurrection! = God's ETERNAL Life!!* *(Romans 10 : 17; 1 Corinthians 15 : 1-4 And Ephesians 2 : 5-10!)* *Good Works Will Not Save you, But Will Get you Rewards At:* *The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST! (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15!)* ***Note1: Verse 15! Teaches ETERNAL SALVATION "Despite Loss!"*** ***Note2: IF you just BELIEVED This AND your Are The LAST "member"* *Of The Body Of CHRIST, we Are Going To Be Raptured Outta Here,* *so, learn This Right NOW, And you Will Receive A crown At Judgment!:*** *"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,* *Which The LORD, The Righteous Judge, Shall Give me At That Day:* *And not to me only, but unto All them also that love HIS Appearing!"* *(2 Timothy 4 : 8!)* Amen? Because: *GRACE Departure "Could" Happen At ANY MOMENT!!* Amen? --------------------------------------------- IF you are in any "religion" with ONE "false doctrine," it is UNclean!, Please *Obey God, WHO Commands:* *"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, Saith* *The LORD, And touch not the unclean thing; and I Will Receive you,* *And Will Be A Father Unto you, and ye Shall Be MY sons and daughters,* *Saith The LORD Almighty!" (2 Corinthians 6 : 17!)* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Therefore: *God's ETERNAL Salvation Is THE Best Motivation For "true"* *believers to serve God "out of love," being SAVED For ETERNITY!* rather than "serving out of FEAR" of "losing Probationary" salvation!: *"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power,* *And of love, and of a sound mind!" (1 Timothy 1 : 7!)* Surely, *Gratitude To God For HIS UNSPEAKABLE Gift is in order DAILY!* Amen? ------------------------------------------------------------------- continued in *Approval Unto God!...*

[@desireehernandez6108]

I so appreciate this! Amen! Thank you 😊

[@graceambassador65]

Desiree, you are Very Welcome!

[@lloyddeere]

Sounds cultic

[@c.3577]

I spent 70 years as church of Christ. It was hell on earth. I have found love and Grace. I am FREE!!!!

[@lindahutchens8612]

May I ask if you only attended one church of Christ and what did they teach that wasn't biblical? As you most likely know churches of Christ are autonomous and that is why one would need to make sure the apostle's doctrine is being taught.

[@bretttubbs3890]

​@@lindahutchens8612 My great grandfather was an elder in the church of Christ, then my Granny, my mom, and then me. I got out of the Army in 1994, and found out that the Body of Christ is Diverse, and Large. Beginning in 1996, I learned of the New Covenant and Grace!! It changed my whole life! I'm now free in Christ! The church of Christ does Not teach Security of our Salvation! See John 5:24, Col. 2:13,14, Romans 5:17, etc etc. Get turned on to Grace and Truth!! 🙋‍♂️

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@bretttubbs3890 May I ask where you attend services at now and how would you tell someone if they asked you how to become a Christian?

[@bretttubbs3890]

@@lindahutchens8612 I am part of a small non-denominational church. Acts 16:31, John 5:24 😀

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@bretttubbs3890 Did you get my response to this?

[@sharonmccallum7675]

I was added to the body of Christ a little over a year ago, I must say that I have learned more in a year than I have my whole life. I was raised a Baptist and there were certain practices that no one had clarified to me on why we did what was done in worship service. Then in my adult life I converted over to non denomination. The first church of this style of worship the bishop kicked me out because I wouldn't follow his instructions. His instructions was of sin and I refused so, he shun me, turned the congregation , my friend as well as my relatives. Then I moved to another town and I joined another non denominational church and I was at a stand still because I wasn't growing in the knowledge of the Lord. Pastors (male & female) and they were very nice but the thing with their church was it was THEIR CHURCH. No one did anything but to sit there and listen to them. I sung in what little choir we had and I would often sing solos in which I enjoyed very much. But, when the last music director passed away, they took over and they had no knowledge of music. I have some experience in music and tried to give a little instruction on how a song should go; I was immediately shut down. So, I prayed to my Savoir to lead me in the direction that He wants me to go. Well, a short while later I met my now minister at a Wal-Mart. He invited me to come visit,. Well, lets say that I have been there every since. I have learned so much and I was also taught to pray when reading God's Word so that I can rightly divide His Word. I see how many people take God's word and make it be what is beneficial to them. Weather it is money in which that is collected every first day of the week. Now what made since to me is that the other churches I attended took up collection every Sun and did the Lord's Supper once a month. I feel more secure when I take communion. I think we both agree on that Amber. Plus unlike those other churches; collection is taken up once during service; not 2 or 3 times. And they don't hit you with "Who will rob God?" to scare you into giving more. (Malachi) I guess that it is true that even in the Church of Christ people will still make up what they want God's word to mean. One thing I can say is that my minister encourage us to study on our own and not just go on what he says. We should not lean in to our own understanding nor no one else, If we have that personal relationship with Him then it will be His understanding that we will have knowledge of. It is really heartbreaking that you have been convicted all this time and for you to leave the Body in order for you to feel free is a injustice. I have never gotten that everything we do wrong will send us to hell. If we could be perfect the old covenant would still be in place and God would have never sent His Son to establish a new covenant. I feel fortunate to know the Lord the way that I do. I know that He loves me in what ever I do or how I act because He knew me before I knew myself. God knows what we are going to do before we do it. He is faithful to us and God just want us to love Him just as much. I will pray that you go back to the Body of Christ and attend a church that is strictly by God's word. And yes Amber He wants us to gather and fellowship. We had church outside in a tent last night. LOL. But anyway, please remember that He loves us and He is always there even when we don't think He is. I hope this reach you my sister in Christ. Be blessed.

[@fangsandfolklore8795]

Former COC preacher here. Thank you SO much for your words. You really get it right. As a former preacher, I apologize for what people like me did to you. I am sorry.

[@christrescuedme2182]

It will also hopefully help to set many people free if they read...Christ Rescued the Thief's Testimony from the "Church of Christ" by Lee Anne Ferguson, for it reveals what the CoC has been hiding for centuries concerning these crucial issues.

[@jessicacowan2950]

I’m not sure if you’ll see this now after all this time since the video posted, but I needed to thank you for putting this out there. My teenage daughter is being pulled in to COC by her boyfriend and my husband and I are setting boundaries that she doesn’t like but are for her benefit. My husband is a pastor, she’s grown up in church and we are definitely not “perfect” but this situation is captivatingly scary. I felt so encouraged by your videos and feel even more support for our goal. She won’t hear our voices on doctrine and judgement inside the organization and the overbearing ideal of authority and who it belongs to. Thank you so much!

[@followingchrist3660]

Hi I couldn’t help but to be touched by your comment. I pray that the lord keeps your daughter away from such a dark for of doctrine. I know that they can be very compelling and persuasive to new or young people. They fail to mention that after their unbiblical baptism, they are going to put a wait on you that you can not carry. It’s the load that was placed on Jesus at Calvary and they will tell you that it’s yours to carry in order to get to heaven. It’s so sad.

[@cryptomnesiagirl]

@@followingchrist3660 curious as to what you mean by “unbiblical baptism” here.

[@jeffreylatham3307]

@@followingchrist3660 This is not a comment to say that CoC are 100% correct but ....Jesus also said if you love me you will keep my commandments. Not to mention about baptism....the story of Philip and the Ethiopian Eunich. Once he was taught Jesus and the good news, what did he do directly after , he saw water and went down into it and was bapstised. When Paul was in jail, and the earthquake happened and the jailer was going to kill himself because he thought everyone escaped and Paul shouted out to stiop because they were still all there. The jailor asks what must I do to be saved. Hes told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. they go back to the jailers home(it sthe middle of the night) and the Paul teaches to the jailors entire family about Jesus. What did they do next? It says they went and washed and then were all baptised into Jesus. There are many others on that. also, if you think you can live however you like after being saved, Read the entire book of 1Peter. He tells Christians how they should live. Which makes more sense to you....that Christ would say, now that you're saved you can live in sin and be forgiven, or would it be the devil who would say you can keep living in sin?

[@KyahPalmisano]

He didn’t say you will. You’re reading that into the text.

[@aliengoboom-t9k]

Is your daughter still in? Current member, early 20s girl here. From my experience, the COC places a high emphasis on marriage, including at a young age, and we don't allow divorce most of the time. If she's still dating that guy, be careful and please try to keep contact with her. If she's young enough you still have a say, do NOT let her talk you into signing those papers! Stay at home moms are held up as the standard. If she is isolated from you and outside friends, the Church will be her social circle and she won't have much of a way to support herself. Many of our women have had issues when their husbands died/ran off, especially those with young kids. I'm not aware of the church trying to isolate someone from their family, but if you're a "stumbling block," it's socially acceptable for her to make that choice. I'd be more worried about the boyfriend pushing her though, if he or his family is at all the controlling type. I will also say the most discouraging things I've heard was learning about the history. Many churches, including mine, claim to descend from the church in the first century. Catholics/Orthodox were just a corruption. And then I started studying on my own. Haven't found any historical record for us existing then, but there's plenty in the Restoration movement. I've heard one preacher even slightly imply it. Nobody else will. If her church believes the same, perhaps that's an angle to persue? Unfortunately we ignore history between now and then, so it's also possible she just won't care. We tend to hammer authority and doctrine so you're playing into the exact things we're taught to discuss. History is a blind spot. Science is too, but we do better at just brushing that off. We emphasize the Greek of a few words, but outside of a few talking points, we don't do well with that either. I've seen several people die on the hill of mistranslations. I've also seen what I call "new convert syndrome." My grandfather's a preacher- I've seen a lot come through and leave. A lot of the enthusiastic ones burn out fast. If she believes for her own reasons and is building a solid foundation, she'll probably stay. If she's hitting an overly enthusiastic teenage phase for some external reason (believing for her boyfriend), there's a higher chance she'll walk away. I was already born in, but my phase was about 15-16. The fact I'm suggesting how to get her to leave ought to imply my current stance. Depending on the church, there's a lot of pressure or obligations, and those can wear you out fast.

[@cryptomnesiagirl]

So different than the CofC I grew up. I don’t remember ever hearing about damning anyone else for their beliefs.

[@freddy_is_thetruth]

We dont have that right, i dont judge the non COC members either

[@amberhead1630]

I meant to add that I did not reach these conclusions because of my own intelligence. God opened my eyes and my heart, and I thank him for showing me my error and give him all the glory for changing my life.

[@joecastillo8798]

Amber Head Dear Amber, I enjoyed hearing your explanations on your decision. As a catholic, I find it very intriguing. I have some thoughts from my catholic perspective that I would like to share without any desire to criticize but only to offer it as a contrast. Many protestants believe that the UNITY necessary for the TRUE CHURCH of CHRIST need be nothing more than a particular spiritual INTERNAL BOND, and IF EXTERNAL, it can just as well mean that all acknowledge the same God and reverence the same Christ. Thus most Protestants like you, think that the only union necessary for the Church is that which comes from faith, hope, and love toward Christ; in worshipping the same God, obeying the same Lord, and in believing the same fundamental truths which are necessary for salvation. This is what you regard as a unity of doctrine, organization, and cult. The CATHOLIC conception of the mark of UNITY, which must characterize the ONE CHURCH founded by Christ, is far more demanding. Not only must the true Church be ONE by an INTERNAL and spiritual union, but this union must also be EXTERNAL and VISIBLE, consisting in and growing out of a UNITY of FAITH, WORSHIP, and GOVERNMENT. Hence the Church which has CHRIST for its FOUNDER is not to be characterized by any merely accidental or internal spiritual union, but, over and above this, it must unite its members in UNITY of DOCTRINE, expressed by EXTERNAL, public profession; in UNITY of WORSHIP, manifested always in the reception of the SAME SACRAMENTS and in UNITY of GOVERNMENT, by which all its members are subject to and obey the SAME AUTHORITY, which was INSTITUTED by CHRIST Himself. This, my dear friend, is our catholic view for 2,000 years. May God bless your discernment.

[@joecastillo8798]

Amber Head Dear Amber, Thanks for your patience. Here I add some important passages on the UNITY of the Church. CHURCH UNITY IN THE GOSPELS: 1.- A city the keys of which were entrusted to the Apostles. (Matthew 5:14; 16:19) 2.- A sheepfold to which all His sheep must come and be united under one shepherd. (John 10:7-17) 3.- A house built upon a rock against which not even the powers of hell should ever prevail. (Matthew 16:18) 4.- Furthermore Jesus just before He suffered, prayed for His disciples, for those who were afterwards to believe in Him, FOR HIS CHURCH, that they might be and REMAIN ONE as He and the Father are ONE. (John 17:20-23) 5.- He had already warned them that "every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand". (Matthew 12:25) ST. PAUL ON UNITY OF THE CHURCH: 1.- He declares that those guilty of "dissensions" and "sects" shall not obtain the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:20-21) 2.- Hearing of the schisms among the Corinthians, he asked impatiently: "Is Christ divided? Was Paul then crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?" (1 Corinthians 1:13) 3.- In the same Epistle he describes the Church as one body with many members distinct among themselves, but one with Christ their head: "For in one Spirit we are all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free". (1 Corinthians 12:13) 4.- He asks: "The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord? For we, being many, are ONE BREAD, ONE BODY, all that partake of ONE BREAD". (1 Corinthians 10:16-17) 5.- Again in his Epistle to the Ephesians he teaches the same doctrine, and exhorts them to be "CAREFUL TO KEEP THE UNITY of the Spirit in the bond of peace", and he reminds them that there is but "ONE BODY AND ONE SPIRIT ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL". (Ephesians 4:3-6) 6.- In one of his very first Epistles, he had warned the faithful of Galatia that if anybody, even an angel from heaven, should preach unto them any other Gospel than that which he had preached, "let him be anathema". (Galatians 1:8) Such declarations coming from this great Apostle are clear evidence of the essential UNITY which must be the primordisl characteristic of the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST. The other Apostles also proclaimed essential and necessary THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. (1 John 4:1-7) (Apocalypse 2:6, 14-15, 20-29) (2 Peter 2:1-19) (Jude 5:19) Thanks for the opportunity to share our catholic view. May God bless your discernment.

[@bobwhatshisname2161]

+Joe Castillo Joe, watch this video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2GVZ4eIi5h0irs

[@joecastillo8798]

bob whatshisname Bob, Thanks for your response and sharing your link. Even though I do not agree with its contents, I appreciate the fact that you consider it valid to support the existence of more than 60,000 distinct and divided "Bible only" protestant churches. Here is a thought for you: As you know, the Bible does not include a "holy index" of the books that should be part of the Bible as Word of God. How do you know which books should belong in the Bible? When did those books come together as the Bible and who decided? Here is the answer: Decree of Pope Saint Damasus from the Acts of the Roman Synod (382 AD) Source: Henry Denzinger's Enchiridion Symbolorum Translated by Roy J. Feferrari Loreto Publications www.loretopubs.org Denzinger 84 (179) in newer editions) The Canon of Sacred Scripture Likewise it has been said: Now indeed we must treat of the divine Scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis one book, Exodus one book, Leviticus one book, Numbers one book, Deuteronomy one book, Josue Nave one book, Judges one book, Ruth one book, Kings four books, Paralipomenon two books, Psalms one book, Solomon three books, Proverbs one book, Ecclesiastes one book, Canticle of Canticles one book, likewise Wisdom one book, Ecclesiasticus one book. Likewise the order of the Prophets. Isaias one book, Jeremias one book,with Ginoth, that is, with his lamentations, Ezechiel one book,Daniel one book, Osee one book, Micheas one book, Joel one book, Abdias one book, Jonas one book, Nahum one book, Habacuc one book, Sophonias one book, Aggeus one book, Zacharias one book, Malachias one book. Likewise the order of the histories. Job one book, Tobias one book, Esdras two books, Esther one book, Judith one book, Machabees two books. Likewise the order of the writings of the New and eternal Testament, which only the holy and Catholic Church supports. Of the Gospels, according to Matthew one book, according to Mark one book, according to Luke one book, according to John one book. The Epistles of Paul [the apostle] in number fourteen. To the Romans one, to the Corinthians two, to the Ephesians one, to the Thessalonians two, to the Galatians one, to the Philippians one, to the Colossians one, to Timothy two, to Titus one, to Philemon one, to the Hebrews one. Likewise the Apocalypse of John, one book. And the Acts of the Apostles one book. Likewise the canonical epistles in number seven. Of Peter the Apostle two epistles, of James the Apostle one epistle, of John the Apostle one epistle, of another John, the presbyter, two epistles, of Jude the Zealut, the Apostle, one epistle. This was a historical event which occurred when there was only ONE church, The Catholic Church. May God bless your discernment.

[@bobwhatshisname2161]

That link is extremely valid and if you research you will find it is also very factual. Thou Shalt not murder...Have you heard of John Huss (Jan Hus). He was a catholic priest who spoke out against the pope and the corruption in the church. They poured oil over him and set him alight. What happened to William Tyndale and John Wycliffe is exactly as that link says. Do some research on Westcott and Hort. Bloody Mary as she became called supported the Catholic Church. You will always find Catholic teachings to justify what they believe. Have a look at what has gone on in the Catholic Church. You go to confession and get told by a man that your sins are forgiven. 1John 1:9 . Only God can forgive sin. Exe 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Why have a statue of Mary and pray to her. When the bible said she shall be blessed above all woman... yes she was but it never said to pray to her. Have you been baptized in accordance with John 3:5 because I know of Catholics who are not. Why are priest denied to marry when the bible expressly says..1Cor 7.. better to marry than burn with passion. When you talk of discernment, one of the hardest places is to be in that which you are trying to discern. If the bible says that is appointed for man to live but once and then the judgement then how or why do Catholics pray for the dead. Why do those who are alive have to pay for the priests to pray for the dead. It is all wrong, it is religion and religion might have the appearance of being godly but is based upon the doctrines of man and not of God.

[@darrelrobertson1417]

I have been a CoC preacher for 45+ years, but I agree with you. The reason I haven't left is that if I do they win. I am trying to make a difference in my foot print.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Darrel Robertson Do you believe one is saved before baptism by faith only?

[@elverbosehizocarnedecristo1550]

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[@christinejackson8542]

I'm trying to figure oit if I want to go to COC church. I haven't learned anything they believe in this video. People are the church, people gathered in houses before having an official church......I'll check oit more videos.

[@christrescuedme2182]

My book may help you to make the decision not to ever step foot in a CoC.

[@E_M_O_Lizzie]

One of my cousins is in the Church of Christ. I attended a bible study for their church. I learned about what it was recently and decided to go to learn more about why my cousin when and how they taught. God with all his mercy and grace led me to thoroughly read the book of John, Acts, and Romans, but mostly John before going. For every church, I visit I pray that God keeps me safe from manipulation. God etched the truth in my heart and mind. When I went I was surprised to hear and see how they used God's word. The way they said their church was the only way. How they denied John 1:1-15 and said Jesus wasn't God (John 1:2 "The Word was God") and used a part of John as well as other parts of the bible to deny it when in John 8:58 Jesus said "..Before Abraham came into being, I AM". I wanted to cry and should from sadness as they continued to make their point, nitpicking parts of the bible instead of one whole cohesive narrative. As soon as I could, I was fortunate that my sister called, I when and took the call outside and cried. I cried and shook with devastation. My cousin said what they are taught is biblical, but when I asked her if she ever read the bible she said no. I don't know how to talk to her about it. I suggested she read and try to understand what she believes in, but she is doesn't seem interested. God is good and I know everything will go as He designed. I trust him and see he has blessed me time and time again. I don't have a cohesive point, I just want to share my experience. If there is anything productive I could share is this. Pray, pick up Gods word by paper or digital, and read, compare all the translations if you think that is best. Just try and come to understand what you believe in, guard your heart with the truth if you believe in God's word, because we all nothing but man/mortal and are prone to failure. It is only by grace that any of us is redeemable. Thank you for sharing yours.

[@marliebreen5617]

I’m so sorry for your experience. I go to Church of Christ but they are not like this at all. We take the Bible as a whole, not just pieces. And preachers or Sunday school teachers always tell us to do our own research too, not to just believe everything they or someone else says

[@freddy_is_thetruth]

@@marliebreen5617amen! Thats what my family on my moms side needs to do

[@Kelliftz]

I cannot even express to you how thankful I am that I found your videos. Wish SO BADLY you had more of them. You put this so incredibly and put my mind at such ease. You are a blessing and a light my sweet sister in Christ! Much Love!!

[@MA-wb1xo]

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. The Bible makes things black and white but people always want to gray everything. Don't be afraid to wield the sword and make righteous judgement. No ye not that ye shall judge the world? 1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

[@misha-elministries5246]

Mathew 5 verse 48 King James Bible Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. I believe this was not a suggestion from Jesus Christ but a command. Leviticus 20:26 ... You are to be holy to me because I, the LORD, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own. ... You must be holy because I, the LORD, am holy. ... 1John 3 verse 9 King James Version Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

[@aimeetustin6653]

Hi, Amber! Thank you so much for making these 3 videos! I've been going through this same paradigm shift for a while now. Is there a way we could chat? I'm not even sure if you still get notifications from these videos. I'd really love to connect with you, if you're willing. Blessings! Aimee :)

[@risar1690]

Wow. So Amber. It's obvious you've had a few bad experiences and possibly some corrupted teaching. But, you should assure the public that your story does not represent all churches or all COC' that you have not visited or joined. I did see a comment in which a person specifically named the church and that is what you should do. Actually, you should take your issue to the church first before going public. You know... go to your brother, then two more, in private, etc... Anyway, you present many opinionated problems , but what are your solutions, and by the way... where are you worshiping or what type of church? It seems that you are stating that we(mankind in the new millennium) should not go to a building to worship or fellowship together, we should not take communion or pick our birthday or favorite day to commune or exclude it all together. And if we do meet in a building, that it should be with a live band with concert and full orchestra (I know I'm being extreme). But, my point is that you are correct in that you should not be condemned for missing service, or following your so-called "examples" to the letter. But, there needs to be structure instead of everyone doing what they want, when they want, and how they want in the absence of specific church gathering details. Paul did send letters to churches (in a building or at a home) teaching them how to conducts service warning them of services (gathering times) that were getting out of hand or interrupted because people wanted to do there own thing or have no structure at all. By the way... no man can put you in heaven or hell. That's God's decision. And, if God decides to let the worst sinner in and the least one also when they die; then that is God's prerogative. But, the gospel must be preach as it is written to the people that are living which denotes the reasons a person may not enter the Kingdom of God (be saved).

[@dingbat4596]

Exactly Mathew 18; 15-18 15 ¶ "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 "But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' 17 "And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. she is obviously not as learned in the word as she says.

[@johnharrison6745]

"yada, yada, yada": No; she's just telling the truth about the Campbellite cultists (the vast majority of them), who "follow"/"believe" a bunch of poisonous bull-"scat" derived from simple-minded, childish, intentionally-ill-informed "interpretations" of a translation of a compendium of SEVERAL ancient documents, which they actually know JACK about. You can try to discredit her, to misrepresent her statements, to get-into-her-head (again) with implied-threats, and to claim that her experiences were exceptional rather than the norm, all you want-to; but, those of us who've had extensive experience with your twisted, absurd cult ARE going to tell THE WORLD the TRUTH about it: That it's POISONOUS, NONSENSICAL, *PSEUDO* -CHRISTIAN *GARBAGE* . ❤🥰💖 😉

[@arogers5368]

Thank you , this was lifting The shunning of one sinner versus the acceptance of another is why I left. The double standards n gossip breaks hearts n closes doors to salvation for others .. I’m sorry I went back to IT’s hardness and critical spirit.. after years of walking in the spirit ..

[@nicolewynne8407]

What are your views on how to be saved now that you have gone apostate? There is NO SCRIPTURAL WAY for all the different creeds and man made reuqirements in the denominational world to allow all men everywhere to be saved. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4‭-‬6. That is NOT something we can decided is important or not... 2 Timothy 3 (the whole chapter)... Matthew 15:7-9... For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” II Peter 2:18‭-‬22 NKJV... I pray that you change your heart and return to the truth... you have risked everything for your own glory... This video is sickening and maddening... how many people you are leading astray!

[@erinritchie4708]

Nicole Wynne I know exactly what Amber is saying because I’ve been involved in a legalistic church in the past. I know exactly what she means by binding things that aren’t meant to be bound, or forcing an interpretation of scripture onto someone who may not have the same interpretation of it (ie: speaking in tongues to be saved vs not speaking in tongues but still having different gifts of the Holy Spirit) she has not left the truth nor has she stopped believing in Jesus Christ her Saviour. God has revealed to her where her path of life needs to go and she’s following it. Thank you Amber for speaking out and showing us an example of your faith in Christ. We are all called to follow him and him only.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Nicole Wynne This video upsets me very much also; Satan is trying really hard to discredit the Lord's church; that is why we must all speak up for the truth and also we need to keep praying that Amber and her husband will one day return like the prodigal son did. God bless.

[@johnharrison6745]

@@lindahutchens8612 "Yeah"; keep telling yourself that when someone tells the truth about the sick, twisted, vile, pseudo-Christian Campbellite cults, 'its Say Tan uh tacking duh true church'..... 😏😉😜

[@KerenJohnson]

Amber, I'm really needing some advice on a situation I'm currently dealing with on this topic. Is there anyway to PM you?

[@sisterjenn549]

I see so many comments on points that Amber is talking about, and after watching this whole video I cannot see anything she has said that is wrong. I see a lady that is allowing the Lord to show her the way instead of following man. I applaud her. I too grew up in a religious home and have now come to see many things that were made into something else than what the Lord desired. For you Amber I want to say keep following Him and allowing Him to use you. Do not be disheartened by the naysayers that have commented below. They have to answer for their own actions like you have to answer for yours and I have to answer for mine. Keep walking the narrow path towards the great and final reward. For the path to righteousness is narrow and few will find it. Love you sister Amber.🙏✝🙏❤

[@p3rrypm]

Really, then please do tell us how you know the way? In acts, the Ethiopian eunuch was asked if he understood what he was reading? He replied, how can I unless someone explains it to me. Following God is not merely a journey guided by feelings, in fact often it is contrary to what we feel is right. There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. There are great examples of faith in the new and Old Testament, but it very much got down to the heart of the matter. It has to 100% be backed by Gods word, or it probably isn’t God teaching you it. I’m not part of the LDS by any means, but they often use a verse where Jesus says, my sheep will know my voice, do you think that just happens on accident? Or what about Jesus being tempted for 40 days in the desert, he got gut level honest and exposed Satan’s lies, using the words of the Old Testament prophets as his guide (God’s word essentially). I didn’t even touch on the New Testament passage about all scripture being god breathed and useful for correcting, teaching, etc... If that is not talking about authority, then I don’t know what is. Is it authority to add to gods word? Nope, but it is certainly authority to teach it and guide people with it.

[@misha-elministries5246]

Ephesians 5:22-33 King James Version (KJV) 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@p3rrypm I do not think Amber is talking about LDS; it is just the Church of Christ.

[@williamgullett5911]

@@lindahutchens8612 I never realized the animosity people have for my church. The Church of Christ I go to does not resemble the negative comments on line. In fact, it saddens me. My church loves GOD...with all their hearts souls and minds..,and loves their neighbor as themself. We serve our King...but...that doesnt mean its "works". We know that Jesus paid it all on the cross....and therecis NOTHING we can do to repay GOD for that gift. Serving the King is very different than works. We love and respect GOD....volunteering....sharing the gospel....helping others....its GODs love we are showing, not our own. Having a servants heart and serving...being a light....being the salt. To be honest...seeing the anti CoC comments has shown me that I shouldnt be telling catholics or muslims or mormons etc....anything about their worship. I'm sad that people have to blow up my church when we love GOD as much as anyone possibly could. My comment to you isnt directed at anything you said personally...or is meant to insult...its just a general comment about the subject. GOD bless

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@williamgullett5911 William, I am also very saddened by the fact that this video and all these negative comments gives the Lord's church a bad name but we must stay strong and contend for the faith. There are sound churches of Christ and there are some that are not and there are some that used to be sound but have turned away from sound doctrine and we are warned about this in the book of Revelation to the seven churches; we must stay in the doctrine of Christ. I think most of these people grew up in the church when the preachers preached too much about Hell and not enough about the love and grace of God. However, nowadays all you hear about is grace and not much about repentance and some may only mention baptism at the end of the sermon and don't even mention it is for remission of sins like Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 say it is for. They may just say if you want to "put on" Christ is baptism; well that is true baptism is where we "put" him on but some people do not know what that means. We need to be clear and teach what Jesus taught "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16) and that baptism is the moment whee our salvation is applied. Baptism is a part of our faith response to the grace of God. People think that baptism is a work of man even though the scriptures say "Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the OPERATION OF GOD, who hath raised him from the dead (Colossians 2:12); they still say we are working our way to heaven even though it is God's work; not man's. Satan has deceived many that the sinner's prayer is what one needs to do to be saved and/or accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. They need to read Acts 8:35-39 and see what needs to be done when Jesus is preached. Please do not be discouraged; I am on this site so that the word of God will convict someone here to become a child of God. Satan does not want you to speak to Muslims, Buddists, etc. and he is telling you look how messed up the church of Christ is; do not listen to him for he is a liar. He doesn't want anyone to go to a doctrinally sound church of Christ; God bless.

[@davemitchell116]

In early Christianity, there is no example of a building specifically constructed for Christian worship. The New Testament model is house churches.

[@paulkyeremah1953]

I watched this video to the end and I'm asking myself only one question. How will she interpret 1st corinthians 14:37? Paul wants us to understand that his writings that are put in the bible are commands from God. You made mention that what you mostly see in the bible are suggestions not commands..buh what you failed to understand is that the apostolic doctrines are inspired of God and contain most of the things that our father wants us to do. So there is indeed a pattern to christianity. You cant just do what you like and expect that God will be okay with it. 1st Peter 4:1..if anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracle of God. You dont just do what you like buh rather, you do what God wants..how do we know what God wants? The holy spirit revealed His will to the apostles and they wrote it down for us.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Paul Kyermah Great job Paul in contending for the faith; God bless!

[@oceancowboy6981]

Never get caught up in church religion!!! Doctrines of men and I never follow the rules and I seek the lord on the back side of the mountain

[@Michael-cb3uw]

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[@jdelaney9493]

I have been in the church of Christ all my life but I have never been hit with a preacher telling me that we had to be perfect to get to HEAVEN. The Church has always been a guide for me to accept Christ and know that his Grace will help me as I try to live a life pleasing to God as I know he came to give me life and live it more with Him walking beside me. G

[@SingingLawyer88]

I believe that is what she is saying. We can't be perfect, but we are supposed to TRY to be perfect, and then God's grace will give us that extra push. It's crippling. It limits God's power and love. " . . . where sin increased, grace abounded all the more." God's grace and love has so limits. He IS love, and he does command in the NT that we love Him and our fellowman. That commandment is EXPLICIT.

[@misha-elministries5246]

Mathew 5 verse 48 King James Bible Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. I believe this was not a suggestion from Jesus Christ but a command.

[@misha-elministries5246]

@@SingingLawyer88 Mathew 5 verse 48 King James Bible Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. I believe this was not a suggestion from Jesus Christ but a command.

[@SingingLawyer88]

@@misha-elministries5246 the Bible does not contradict itself. The Father and His Son both are fully aware that we are unable to be perfect in the sense that we are sinless. "He that is without sin, cast the first stone." The Greek word translated to "perfect" here is closer to "complete." Using the context of the previous verses, Christ is telling us to be complete in our character. Don't just love our friends. Love all, just at the Father loves us all

[@misha-elministries5246]

@@SingingLawyer88 No Eric , no He said be perfect and Holy as he is perfect and Holy . The only way to do that is to be born again. You want to escape his commands because you are not born from above and Gods seed does not abide in you for you are a son of this world and not Gods son. For this reason Gods Son was made manifest in this world that we may know who belongs to God and who belongs satan

[@dennyfromcharlestonsc3325]

What we do in worship comes either by command, or example or principle. For example observing the Lord's Supper is both command and example. Worship has five parts: Prayer, sermon, Lord's Supper, Offering and Singing. Worship is only necessary on the First Day of the week that is Sunday. There is no command for the use of a building, it is just a convenience. The pandemic taught us to worship via the internet, until we slowly came back with masks, 6 ft distance etc. Some local congregations are worshipping in a park, in the open. The use of song books is convenience. Having committees in the church is convenience. I am at the church since 1985 and I never heard that song books are commended. In order to be commended it has to be in the Bible. What didn't you try another church of Christ? We do what we do for the love of God not out of fear! God is not glorified by the denominations. I leave them in the hands of a just God.

[@christrescuedme2182]

Can you explain what gospel the thief on the cross obeyed according to Hebrews 4:2?

[@AlexanderGrait]

I'm glad that you have the courage to put this video out there. When I left the COC was in a different place. 1996. There was no KZbin, so I took a notebook and titled it the same title as this video, "Why I Left The Church" and began to spool several throughts on the legalism and rules that so burdened me down. And Thank You for mentioning the comments on "being perfect" in your first video.

[@karstenkallesen4811]

Question for some of you who are church of Christ. I grew up in the Nashville TN where there was a coc church on every corner and live here I Orlando FL now. I’m an Assembly of God believer where we do have musical instruments in our worship but I noticed there is a Coc church that uses musical instruments that I saw online. Are the coc starting to use instruments or are there different branches of coc?

[@JervisGermane]

If it's any help two years after your comment, there are three main strands inside the churches of Christ: the mainstream (which are conservative by most standards) the one-cuppers, also called the antis, who are conservative by everyone's standards, and the liberals, who look more like mainstream churches. I don't think even the liberals have dropped baptism as a requirement for salvation (and I still believe it's necessary) but many now have instrumental music and women preaching (I'm doctrinally okay with both now, but I wouldn't be personally comfortable in a church service with instrumental music). I still worship in mainstream congregations as I have all my life, so all I ever experience of the antis and the liberals is what I hear. I tend to hear of congregations "going liberal" which becomes something of a communication barrier; churches in the three different strands don't tend to talk to churches in the others.

[@royrow8879]

Thanks again, Amber, for your boldness and your gentle spirit. Just reading many of the comments below brought back a strong memory of the very bondage you are speaking of. They serve as perfect illustrations of what you are saying.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Roy Row Doing as the Lord says and following His doctrine is NOT bondage but loving God and His word and I am not talking about having a kitchen, clapping during services, paying for a building, paying a preacher. I am talking about teaching the truth on how to be saved and it is NOT just believing.

[@harveyscott379]

Congratulations. How much informed we all are, now that you have shared your opinions and added your disparaging remarks about the LORD'S church. Yet, you offer no Biblical scripture that provides evidence of your claims. NONE! Ecclesiastes 12:13 (KJV) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. It doesn't read keep our opinions. It is apparent that you're confused. There was a time when I also felt the same way. I left the church of Christ because I wanted the freedom to "worship more freely." I then became a member of a large, popular denomination where they "worshiped more freely". The truth is that I simply was rebelling. I wanted to worship GOD on my terms, not HIS! Fortunately, I had studied and gained much knowledge of the Bible. This is and was critical, and here's why. Each time the preacher preached, 95% of the time his sermons were and are not biblically accurate. Additionally, the whole worship service was based on stirring up ones emotions. Read 2 Peter, chapter 2. A careful study of Christian's who strive to be obedient to GOD'S Bible commandments reveal that it can be a lonely existence. We are to be "in the world, not of the world." After witnessing the preacher continually pervert the Bible, I left. I asked GOD for forgiveness and went back to the only church mentioned in the Bible, the church of Christ. Christians are not perfect, and neither are you. I hope and pray that you will repent and return back to obeying GOD'S commandments and not "listen to your heart" as the evil one would have you believe. Dear soul, study your Bible! Amber, I don't know you, but I Love your soul. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 6:33 "If you Love me, keep my commandments." Be very careful, Beloved. The evil one hates you and wants to take you to the same place he is destined for...Hell. I will continue praying for you Amber. Repent before it is everlasting to late. I want you to go to Heaven!

[@JohnBrown-of4pw]

Harvey Scott Romans 3:5-29 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? I am speaking in human terms. May it never be! For otherwise, how will God judge the world? But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner? And why not say as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say, “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just. What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, “There is none righteous, not even one; There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave, With their tongues they keep deceiving,” “The poison of asps is under their lips”; “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”; “Their feet are swift to shed blood, Destruction and misery are in their paths, And the path of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, The purpose of the law is to shut people up before God, condemnation not salvation

[@JohnBrown-of4pw]

Harvey Scott Gods Commandments are written on the hearts of those who trust in Christ alone for their salvation Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

[@lauradelregno99]

Hello Amber, I'd like to share my story. I left the NYC CoC in 2005 after 3 years of being there. I met a member whom I will call A.C. and considered her a "friend". I left the cult, but she stayed for 16 years. So for almost 10 years I had no contact with her. In May 2015 I was crossing the street when a member of the CoC saw me and told me that A.C. had had an accident, she couldn't walk (a car had crushed her foot) and she was staying with a male friend. I reached out to A.C. (whom I prayed for 7 years for her to get out of that cult) and she told me she just started to walk. She had no job, no place to live because the male friend asked her to leave. I helped her get a job and a place to live (she was living with me in another room). In July 2017 I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Do you know what she did? NOTHING. She totally ignored me. She never knocked on my door to find out how I was doing after chemo, or if I needed money for rent since I couldn't work after chemo, or if I needed food since I was too weak to cook. I swear I never seen such coldness towards someone in need. She was a member of the Church of Christ for 16 years and this is how she treated me. Please tell me I'm not the only one who had this horrible experience. I can give you my phone number also to talk to you. Thanks

[@solomonktl6]

Wow I'm touched by your experience. My God give you the recompense that a friend didn't. Hope you are doing good.

[@brianstough5286]

Sorry to hear that story. Not surprised by the coldness of a person who does not know Jesus Christ. Praying that things are going better?

[@Mark16v15]

IMHO (and I hope I am dead wrong), the problem in churches of Christ is way worse than you think. I am a member of Christ’s church, or put another way, the “church of Christ”. I would never leave Christ’s church. I am Christ’s servant and a member of his church (Mt 16:18), but your experience is why I believe 99.9% of those in Christ’s church will find themselves on the day of judgment totally shocked that they are going to hell for eternity (Mt 25:46). The reason? An almost total ambivalence toward the second greatest commandment to love one’s neighbor as themselves, a command required to be obeyed to go to heaven (Lk 10:25-28). Jesus even provided an example of what happens when someone breaks that command (Lk 16:19-23). Our “neighbors” are the ones who require some heavy lifting to help out, and we may not even like them (Lk 10:29-37), not just the ones whom we give a cup of sugar to when asked. Jesus even listed some of those neighbors including prisoners (Mt 25:36). Just like you were, these brothers and sisters of ours behind bars are ignored by almost all of their non-felon counterparts. I know of a newly released parolee and a fellow Christian, who had nothing, and thus desperately needed help. Except for me and a couple of others, everyone at church ignored him (a church with over 800 members). IMHO, the youtuber missed the real point about the problems with the church of Christ. Today’s church as a whole simply does NOT love its neighbors as itself. Until that is fixed, all the other stuff is just sideshow banter.

[@lauradelregno99]

Hi. Thank God I'm doing very well. God healed me from cancer. And as for that person who didn't help me when I was sick with cancer she went to China to teach English. I recently found out that she married to get Chinese residency and that didn't work. She got divorced and lost her residency in China.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@Mark16v15 There are thousands of churches of Christ (and I am not talking about the Mormon church; which I believe is a cult) and you cannot put all churches of Christ in the same basket. I have been to many loving churches of Christ including the one I attend now that does many kind things for others. I cannot believe you would make a comment that 99.9 percent of those in Christ's church will find themselves in hell; that is just ridiculous.

[@youmeev3592]

Hi Amber! Would it be possible to contact you personally. I really would like to share something with you and that I think will be helpful. Please consider hearing me out.

[@bigscout1584]

The church is the body of Christ....which is the church members and not the building

[@7550375503]

The turbo

[@t-rob2943]

Absolutely!

[@Pickup_man_1973]

Early Church Fathers on the History of the Bible The Apostles quoted straight from the Old Testament over 300 times when writings their epistles that ended up becoming the New Testament. Which version did they use 90% of the time? The Septuagint with the Catholics 46 Books or the Protestant’s Hebrew version with 39 books? Click on the link below to get a few examples of which Old Testament the Apostles used ecclesia.org/truth/comparisons.html Luther took out the 7 deuterocanonical books, he also added to the Bible as well! Luther was a nut case! www.davidlgray.info/2013/09/11/500-years-of-protestantism-the-33-most-ridiculous-things-martin-luther-ever-wrote/ Did the Early Church Fathers know those 7 deuterocanonical books were Scripture? You better believe it! practicalapologetics.blogspot.com/2013/07/early-church-fathers-on-apocrypha.html Here’s some more bible facts for you....... The Codex Vaticanus is the oldest manuscript in existence of an incomplete Bible (missing some books and has some books that was deemed non-scriptural 80+ years later at the Council of Rome) and one of the most priceless documents in the world. It sits in the Vatican Library today and those 7 deuterocanonical books are in there! (300ad) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus Did the Bible fall from the sky? Nope! The Catholic Church decided which books belonged in the New Testament at the councils of Rome 382, Hippo, 393, and Carthage 397 www.tertullian.org/decretum_eng.htm Council of Rome outline www.newadvent.org/fathers/3816.htm Council of Carthage outline St. Jerome initial translation of the Latin Vulgate Bible does not have those 7 books. It wasn’t until after letters from St. Augustine and Pope Damasus I explaining to him that the Apostles used the Greek Septuagint. So St.Jerome added them back to his translation. How do we know? You can read all their correspondence and the original Latin Vulgate is in the Vatican Library today. Yes those 7 glorious books were in the Latin Vulgate translated by St Jerome in the 380’s. vulgate.org Did the Catholic Church prevent people from reading the Bible? No! You often hear that the Catholic Church prevented people from reading the Bible, killed people for translating the Bible and so forth. This kind of propaganda is called “Black Legend”. It comes from the Church of England to put out false propaganda on the Catholic Church. Here’s some quick facts. Catholic Monks hand wrote the Bible up until the printing press was invented taking them from 10-20 years for each copy depending on how extravagant each one was with art work. The poverty level in the 15th century was around 90%. What does this mean? Most people were poor and couldn’t afford a Bible. The literacy rate was around 25% in the 15th century. What does this mean? Not many people could read! The Bible was written in Latin from St. Jerome in 380ad. What does this mean? Nobody except Catholic Clergy could read Latin. Bibles were very expensive to produce so they were chained up to the lecture inside the church so no one could steal it. The “word” or “Bible” was not hidden from the people ever! The Catholic Mass is completely scripture! The complete 73 books are read entirely every 3 years in the. Catholic Church! Johanas Gutenberg invented a printing press in the mid 1400’s. Gutenberg printed only Bibles at first. It was the Latin Vulgate Bible! There are 50 original copies in existence today in the finest libraries and museums in the world. The University of Texas has digitized it for your enjoyment. Guess what? Those 7 deuterocanonical books are in Gutenberg’s Bible! Remember while reading this that Gutenberg’s newly printed bible was printed before Martin Luther was even born! 😮 www.hrc.utexas.edu/gutenberg-bible/ The Latin Vulgate was translated into English in the 1500’s. Those 7 books are in their! www.drbo.org The first place we see a Bible with those 7 Deuterocanonical books not listed in it is Luther’s “Lut 1545” Bible. That’s right! Luther took them out! newchristianbiblestudy.org/bible/german-luther-1545/ Even King James knew you shouldn’t take those books out so he added them back to his KJV 1611 bible. They were in his KJV for 275 years until they were mysteriously were removed in an 1885 KJV translation! www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/

[@Pickup_man_1973]

Early Church Fathers on Peter Being the First Bishop of the Church in Rome Clement Recognitions book 1 (27-97 ad) The epistle in which the same Clement, writing to James the Lord's brother, informs him of the death of Peter, and that he had left him his successor in his chair and teaching, and in which also the whole subject of church order is treated, I have not prefixed to this work, both because it is of later date, and because I have already translated and published it. But I do not think it out of place to explain here what in that letter will perhaps seem to some to be inconsistent. Since Linus and Cletus were bishops in the city of Rome before this Clement, how could Clement himself say that the chair of teaching was handed over to him by Peter? Now of this we have heard this explanation, that Linus and Cletus were indeed bishops in the city of Rome before Clement, but during the lifetime of Peter: that is, that they undertook the care of the episcopate, and that he fulfilled the office of apostleship; as is found also to have been the case at Caesarea, where, when he himself was present, he yet had Zacchaeus, ordained by himself, as bishop. And in this way both statements will appear to be true, both that these bishops are reckoned before Clement, and yet that Clement received the teacher's seat on the death of Peter. Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 22 (160- 240 ad) Was anything withheld from the knowledge of Peter, who is called "the rock on which the church should be built," who also obtained "the keys of the kingdom of heaven," with the power of "loosing and binding in heaven and on earth?" Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 32 (160- 240 ad) For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, the 13th Bishop of Rome until on account of their ever restless curiosity,with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelle Tertullian The Prescription Against Heretics ch 32 [160-240 AD] "[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]). Caius Fragment 2 AGAINST THE HERESY OF ARTEMON ch 1 (180-240 ad) For they say that all those of the first age, and the apostles themselves, both received and taught those things which these men now maintain; and that the truth of Gospel preaching was preserved until the times of Victor, who was the fourteenth bishop in Rome after Peter, Origen Commentary on the Gospel of John Book 5 par 3 (185-254 ad) And Peter, on whom Christ had to build his church, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail left only one epistle of acknowledged genuineness. Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 45 par 2 [200-270 AD] We," they say, "know that Cornelius, the twenty-first bishop of the most holy Catholic Church elected by Almighty God, and by Christ our Lord. We confess our error; we have suffered imposture; we were deceived by captious perfidy and loquacity. For although we seemed, as it were, to have held a kind of communion with a man who was a schismatic and a heretic, yet our mind was always sincere in the Church. For we are not ignorant that there is one God; that there is one Christ the Lord whom we have confessed, and one Holy Spirit; and that in the Catholic Church there ought to be one bishop." Cyprian of Carthage epistle 74 par 16 (200-270 ad) But what is the greatness of his error, and what the depth of his blindness, who says that remission of sins can be granted in the synagogues of heretics, and does not abide on the foundation of the one Church which was once based by Christ upon the rock, may be perceived from this, that Christ said to Peter alone, "Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." And again, in the Gospel, when Christ breathed on the apostles alone, saying, remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain they are retained." Therefore the power of remitting sins was given to the apostles, and to the churches which they, sent by Christ, established, and to the bishops who succeeded to them by vicarious ordination. But the enemies of the one Catholic Church in which we are, and the adversaries of us who have succeeded the apostles, asserting for themselves, in opposition to us, unlawful priesthoods, and setting up profane altars, what else are they than Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, profane with a like wickedness, and about to suffer the same punishments which they did, as well as those who agree with them, just as their partners and abettors perished with a like death to theirs? Cyprian of Carthage epistle 72 par 7 (200-270 ad) But it is manifest where and by whom remission of sins can be given; to wit, that which is given in baptism. For first of all the Lord gave that power to Peter, upon whom He built the Church, and whence He appointed and showed the source of unity--the power, namely, that whatsoever he loosed on earth should be loosed in heaven. And after the resurrection, also, He speaks to the apostles, saying, "As the Father hath sent me, even so I send you. And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and saith, unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whosoever sins ye retain, they are retained." Whence we perceive that only they who are set over the Church and established in the Gospel law, and in the ordinance of the Lord, are allowed to baptize and to give remission of sins; but that without, nothing can either be bound or loosed, where there is none who can either bind or loose anything. Cyprian of Carthage epistle 54 par 14 (200-270 ad) After such things as these, moreover, they still dare--a false bishop having been appointed for them by, heretics--to set sail and to bear letters from schismatic and profane persons to the throne of Peter, and to the chief church whence priestly unity takes its source; and not to consider that these were the Romans whose faith was praised in the preaching of the apostle, to whom faithlessness could have no access. Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 51 par 8 [200-270 AD] "Cornelius was made bishop by the decision of God and of his Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the applause of the people then present, by the college of venerable priests and good men, at a time when no one had been made bishop before him-when the place of Pope Fabian, which is the place of Peter, the dignity of the sacerdotal chair, was vacant. Since it has been occupied both at the will of God and with the ratified consent of all of us, whoever now wishes to become bishop must do so outside. For he cannot have ecclesiastical rank who does not hold to the unity of the Church" Cyprian of Carthage Treatise 1 par 4 [200-270 AD] There is easy proof for faith in a short summary of the truth. The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, "I say unto thee, that thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, "As the Father hath sent me, even so send I you: Receive ye the Holy Ghost: He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, as beginning from one. Cyprian of Carthage epistle 39 par 5 [200-270 AD] There is one God, and Christ is one, and there is one Church, and one chair founded upon the rock by the word of the Lord. Another altar cannot be constituted nor a new priesthood be made, except the one altar and the one priesthood. Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad) ...and guardian of all preceding and subsequent occupiers of this pontifical chair ...Peter was the first of the apostles... Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad) A cycle of two hundred and eighty-five years from the incarnation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ had rolled round, when the venerable Theonas, the bishop of this city, by an ethereal flight, mounted upwards to the celestial kingdoms. To him Peter, succeeding at the helm of the Church, was by all the clergy and the whole Christian community appointed bishop, the sixteenth in order from Mark the Evangelist, who was also archbishop of the city. Acts of Andrew (260 ad) And while he was thus speaking, the Lord Jesus Christ appeared to them in the form of a child, and said to them: Hail, Peter, bishop of the whole Church! Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad) feared to rend His coat; he was so hurried on by giving the rein to his madness, that, rending asunder the Catholic Church not only in the cities of Egypt, but even in its villages, he ordained bishops of his own party, nor cared he aught for Peter, nor for Christ, who was in the person of Peter.

[@annaking389]

I have just watched two of your videos on why you left the COC. Just curious on what "doctrine" you follow after this experience with an erred Church of Christ. - SarahBeth King

[@lindahutchens8612]

Anna King You will not get an answer from Amber. I asked her what commandments do we need to follow and if she still believed baptism is essential for salvation and no answer still; so sad.

[@LAValCaliGator]

@@lindahutchens8612 sounds like her whole point is to read the scripture and not to let others tell you what it means to them, your faith is personal, your relationship with God is personal. I don't think she's going to take on the role of giving answers knowing there's nothing she can add that's not in the scripture. For me, I don't see the teachings of Christ as a bunch of little things, there's one message and that message is LOVE. I know others who attend the Church of Christ see it differently. I've got nothing but love for them.

[@Reborn_Trooper]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@lindahutchens8612 why is it sad ? She found her freedom . As an ex member of the Church of Christ from 1967 to 2021 I am well aware of the Church of Christ . I have four family members that are ministers of the Church of Christ . In all of those years I only heard one sermon on the subject of Grace . The same Sunday night one of the Elders stood up in from of the congregation and said we would not have any more teachings on the subject of Grace because if we understood it we would sin more . Are you a member ? If so may I ask this question to you . The church of Christ taught me that the kingdom of God is the Church . Christ taught in Matthew 16:18 that Christ would build His Church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it . Yes ? Then if His Church is the Kingdom and the gates of hell can not prevail against it , why did it need to be restored in 1800s ? Where was the Church of Christ from the first century to the 1800s ? Me asking questions like that one made me an outcast of the “ kingdom “ by my brothers and sisters in the Church of Christ simply because I asked questions they found hard to answer .

[@coyotegraysr]

Why are you not making more videos? You are well spoken and well thought out. This content is close to my heart and makes all the sense. Thank you.

[@maggiehenderson8913]

Out of context…this was instruction to the church in Corinth .

[@thetickedoffpianoplayer4193]

I'm horrible at remembering the addresses of verses since I'm blind and use an audio Bible, but there is a passage that says, "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance." I apologize if I balled that up, I was quoting from memory. If that Scripture is true, do you really think He would make us go on a scavenger hunt in order to know what we're not supposed to do, or do you think that He would be very clear about what He expects? If God was extremely specific in the OT regarding His laws, why do you think He would switch to some vague hiding of His commands to where you basically have to read His mind? No normal person would interpret Scripture that way unless they were taught to by their preacher.

[@tonystites2134]

I want to start off by saying I agree with you on 99% I also was raised Church of Christ and my father was a preacher. I blamed God for a lot of things and it took me many years before I started studying on my own. Here is what I found. Studying scripture is way different then readying the bible. Because when you study it the bible becomes a live and it transforms you. where when you read it you focus in on verses here and there and tend to get the wrong understanding. Your Idea of your grace with your kids is correct. Just as there are different Doctrines like Baptist methods and so on there are also different Doctrine in Church of Christ. My dad growing up preached grace. There is only one faith and anything outside of that is false There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. (Ephesians 4:4-7 NASB) Church of Christ is the only church that preaches united with Christ through Baptism Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? (Romans 6:3 NASB) For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (Galatians 3:27 NASB) Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. (Romans 8:1 NASB) If you look at Romans 6:3 and Galatians 3:27 you see we are baptized into Christ we are united with him Romans 8:1 states there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ. If baptism is not necessary show me a verse that puts you in Christ without being baptized. Other religions state baptism is just a show of faith and try to use the Thief on the cross as a reason you don’t need to be baptized, but Jesus tells us in Matthew 9:6 Mark 2:10 Luke 5:24 that he had the Authority to forgive sin on earth. Now if you look at John the Baptist his whole reason for his existents was to make the way for Jesus and start the whole Idea of baptism Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3. up until John the only way to make it to heaven was to follow the law so when John started preaching baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sin people wanted in on that. In Acts 2:38 the next part of this comes in once baptized we receive the Gift of the Holy spirit. Without that Gift we are not marked for salvation and there is no way that we can walk a new life sinless. Now the bible also teaches that are walk increase over time and we are not a perfect Christian overnight but yet the Holy spirit works on us over time its that strive for perfection that God is looking for. Now he not looking for a perfection of following rules he is looking for a change of heart. That change of heart is what causes us to leave sin behind. As far as I know Church of Christ is the only church that preaches this. They may not be perfect but without this you are not united with Christ the bible is clear on that. we are saved by Grace there is no one without sin But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." (John 8:7 NASB) This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. (1 John 1:5-10 NASB) To Walk in sin means that it’s your way of life. It is not talking about someone that in a moment of weakness sinned realized there sin and asked for forgiveness and did not make this a part of their life style. Foot Washing Jesus was not teaching foot Washing as a part of religion he was teaching humbeling yourself and serving others, not putting yourself above others. So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? "You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. "If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. "For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you. "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. "If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them. (John 13:12-17 NASB) I think the idea you were looking for was John 15:1-7 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. "Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. (John 15:1-7 NASB) abiding in Christ if following the things he taught and the Holy Spirit passed on through the Apostles.

[@patrickbeck5001]

Tony Stites John the Baptist head many reasons besides baptism!!!! 1) John was to be a witness that Christ was the messiah spoke of in the Old Testament 2) John was from the Levitical priest his baptizing the Messiah was, necessary according to the Levitical law so that Christ could become the new high priest 3) please research the history of the word baptism, christ also brought a baptism that had nothing to do with water!! When you search the Scriptures see if you can rightly divide the baptism of repentance Johns and the baptism of the Holy Ghost Christ , they are different.

[@jaedagr8t565]

Tony Stites 100 percent true your amazing...💪🏾

[@7550375503]

These former Campbell Lights are little more than a man made cult.

[@kramsdrawde8159]

Tony Stites **it deeply saddens me to know that Coc thinks no born again christian other than members of their church will go to heaven. Just like JW'S, LDS, SCIENTOLOGY, CATHOLICS, JEWS... JESUS NEVER SAID CHURCH MEMBERSHIP WAS REQUIRED.... SO SAD AND HAVE PITY THAT YOU SERV SUCH A SMALL GOD THAT CANNOT SAVE PEOPLE WHO CRY OUT TO CHRIST, REPENT, BAPTIZED, AND EXPERIENCE CHANGE OF HEART AND MIND, BUT SINCE THEY DIDN'T JOIN Y O U R CHURCH THEY ARE CHILDREN OF HELL AND DECEIVED ABOUT MASSIVE CHANGES AND ANSWERED PRAYER AND DESIRE TO SHARE CHRIST WITH OTHERS... I GUESS IF YOU WERE JEWISH YOU WOULD'VE BEEN A PHARISEE....WE KNOW HOW JESUS LOVED THEM RIGHT? PRAY THAT CHRIST GIVES YOU MERCY ON OTHER BELIEVERS AND RELIEVE YOU OF CONDEMNING EVERY CHRISTIAN NOT EXACTLY LIKE YOU EVERY WAKEN MOMENT OF EVERY DAY.... STARTING IN GOSPEL OF JOHN, FIFTH CHAPTER PLEASE READ SERMON ON THE MOUNT.... BY THE WAY YOU JUDGE OTHERS. Y O U WILL BE JUDGED. I'M NOT SURE IF YOUR CHURCH IS A CULT BUT IT SEEMS THAT ANYONE WHO PROFESSES CHRIST IS LORD YOU WOULD FEEL SOME LOVE FOR.... THEN AGAIN THE CHRIST I SERVE HAD LOVE AND MERCY ESPECIALLY ON THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED ON HIM... EVIDENTLY YOUR ORG. INC DOESN'T SHARE THAT... SAD AND PITIFUL 🙁....I said earlier that you serve a smaller GOD than I but actually it is how small YOU have made him, the GOD I SERV IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB.... WHICH THERE WAS NO GOD BEFORE AND NO GOD AFTER.... HIS SON JESUS CHRIST TESTIFIES AND POINTS TO HIM AND THE COMFORTER CONSTANTLY.... I AM NOT ANGRY AT WHAT YOU SAY JUST DISAPPOINTED I NEVER KNEW HOW Y'ALL ARE, AND MY ANCESTORS WERE COC SO I WORRY ABOUT ANYONE OR ANYTHING BELIEVING A COPYRIGHTS ON GOD THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.

[@bretttubbs3890]

Ephesians 2:8,9 Romans 10:9 Hello.

[@MBFModernHomesteading]

Don't take this the wrong way, just an honest question; How do you know what scripture is? i.e. Who told you that the book of Hebrews belongs in scripture, etc.? Just interested in how you would answer this since there is no divine 'table of contents', etc.

[@asiahpowers7973]

I feel that when you talk about the Church of Christ, there is a notion that every single church of christ do exactly these things which I feel just isn't true. :( One COC doesn't compute to All COC

[@taffinakatkus1370]

Hi Amber, I happened to come across your video and would like to encourage you to forbear one another in love. Christ is the head of His Church and we cannot build upon another foundation other than what He established through His apostles. I came into His Church through faith and obediance of baptism. I never even heard of the Church of Christ then. But I knew and was convicted by the Holy Spirit to be able to start over, beforgiven for my sins like being buried with Jesus, and like Jesus rose again I can walk a new life, free of my own sin. How else can you be clothed with Christ? beware of the guest at the Brides groom wedding who did not have the propper wedding clothes. Please consider the maturity of the congregation you were attending, I hope you are able to fellowship together again, with brotherly love, forbearing one another because there is only One Lord, One Faith, one baptism . God is so much bigger than you think and can really work within congregations to grow and mature if we work together out of brotherly love. What concerns me is the division you have with your loved ones and yet you are so divided and cannot fellowship together. Where is God in that? Love in Christ, I pray for Gods peace for your family and loved ones. Strife is such a foothold for Satan to do his filthy work.

[@JasonJack]

Legalism robs one of the peace and assurance that is in Jesus Christ. By coming out of the darkness of legalism and into the light of grace, you will now begin to grow so much in your walk with Jesus. May your journey be one of confidence and assurance as a loved child of God. God bless!

[@FreeBird_6791]

The word 'legalism' is a umbrella term and doesn't really address the problem. If you worship at any one church that professes to follow Christ, then under that definition, you should be labeling them as legalistic as well.

[@brotherhype-maninchristjes2766]

+Jason Jack Praise the LORD amen. absolutely wonderful video. God bless. Agape love

[@JasonJack]

Legalism, in a nutshell, is adding works to the gospel. It teaches that Jesus is necessary but not sufficient for salvation. It teaches that salvation's a lifelong process only received if one has followed God's commandments and turned from their sins (aka keep the law). I teaches that you can lose your salvation. It teaches to trust in yourself and what you do in your life as evidence of salvation, instead of resting in the finished, redemptive work of Jesus Christ and His resurrection. It makes a mockery of Jesus's sacrifice on the cross and can lead to a heavy dose of self-righteous hypocrisy. In your example, if you teach that a person needs to turn from a sinful act of the flesh as being a part of receiving salvation, then yes, that is legalism. If you ever come across this scenario, give that sinner the true gospel of Jesus Christ and allow it's power if received to change that person from the inside-out over time. The power of God's grace is amazing. If they don't receive it, then all you can do is pray for them. You've done your job by giving them the truth. Shake the dust off your feet, move on, and tell someone else the true gospel.

[@johndias3993]

obeying our creator is not LEGALISM .its is doing what he said and he said he did not come to change anything read mat 5 17-19 www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=commandments&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1 www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=obey&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

[@joemcnair3742]

Legalism, in this context, refers to any system that teaches a form of justification by human works that teaches that if you do enough, it obligates God to save you. Works righteousness that thinks that one contributes something to salvation, which the Church of Christ is the foremost proponent of this side of Roman Catholicism.

[@clintmyrick4128]

I had a similar journey being raised in the Christian Church. It wasn't until my mid-30's, while sitting through preaching from the book of John, and I began to pray to the Lord to "teach me your faith", that he opened the veil and called me to be His own. When I want to disparage that former denomination, the Lord reminds me that He exposed me to His Word there, planting the seeds that would eventually bring His predestining purpose about in my life. Praise His Holy Name. We love because He first loved us.

[@brianstough5286]

Very well spoken!!! Bless you! I have been involved - nearly 'interned' into several of these cults - the CoC is just the most recent. My hearing is not as good as it once was, but sitting in the pew (with 7 other people in attendance) listening to, or trying to listen to the 'speaker' (I don't dare call him/them ministers or pastors) I kept saying to myself - no, he didn't really just say "not a denomination" or "the only true church" - no way any ADULT or MATURE CHRISTIAN that has opened a Bible would say anything like that, but - they just kept on repeating these and other ODD and or HERETICAL things... I tried to help - and through my prayer, I think God has made this my "Ninevah" for the near future - so should I run, or face my Ninevah? Three days in a fish do not appeal to me (I don't expect you to get that if you go to a C of C) Gospel Freedom: "Letter of the Law or the Spirit of the Law?" Romans 7:6 Also: If God is perfect, why/how could he make a mistake such that he would have to make an exception? i.e... The thief on the cross next to Him... To call than an exception to the rule is to "add/subtract/multiply/divide" the Word of God...

[@kevinunger433]

Jesus died on the cross , nailing the LAW to it because they couldn’t keep it. He didn’t then go and make new laws that we couldn’t keep. He set us free

[@MA-wb1xo]

Matthew 5:27-28 KJV Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:31-32 KJV It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: [32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 7:21-23 KJV Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:14 KJV Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Sounds like he still has some laws in there and sounds like majority of people wouldn’t follow his new laws doesn’t it 🤔

[@westannex1655]

shes absolutely correct, i personally believe that no instruments is better but i would never say one is going to hell for using them. Denominations do need to get together, right on!

[@brittneyaugustenborg3410]

Hi! I also left the COC...the whole time you were talking in both videos my husband was laughing a little because it sounds just like me :) Are you still in Reno? We are! I’m curios what church you settled on after leaving

[@Oklahoma75]

Very brave, good for you! I grew up in the COC. Fond memories, good people but my relationship with the Lord and with my fellow Christians is so much better since leaving.

[@lindahutchens8612]

jeremy gatlin May I ask what church you attend now and how would you answer the question "What must I do to be saved?"

[@nikeinjesus1]

​@Linda Hutchens good point! Salvation is found and taught only in the Lord's church.

[@M16Her0]

I get what your saying if you mean there are some congregations that struggle with these things however I think it’s a large stretch to say that the coC as a whole teaches these certain things. I’ve heard of people who teach these things but I’ve been to so many churches of Christ that don’t say for the smallest thing it’s going to immediately send you to Hell. I’m sorry you experienced what you did. But I think it’s just somewhat unfair to blame the entirety of the church of Christ. Any church that you go to will have it’s own problems and that doesn’t mean that every group in the same name does those same things. I’m also not saying that’s what you meant but it is how it came across. I’m just saying there are some really good congregations out there under the name “church of Christ”.

[@mcwh_]

I’m curious as to why you believe that the COC believes and teaches that one sin automatically ships you to Hell, where you learned that and why you believe that..

[@reformedchristian7751]

"Continued obedience is required to keep your salvation or you'll lose it" - Church of Christ It's simply not biblical

[@alison2649]

Ya I’m shocked to hear that too. I left the church 20 years ago,I was in for only 5 years. Personally my 5 years were some of the best years of my life. However I did eventually kind of outgrow my desire to be so hard core. But anyway,I was in the Long Beach California area.I definitely don’t recall ever ever EVER being told or learning that we must be perfect at all times,don’t sin or you’ll go to Hell.

[@headfullofivy]

Maybe you were in one of the more "liberal" or "not really one of us" congregations, but I was definitly in a goddamn VERY conservative, cult like COC and dating and holding HANDS was debated by the elders. Continued obedience is very true in the COC. Scarily so.

[@jamesmcqueen6038]

I thought I knew you and wrote an email that went to another person. What is your first name?

[@christrescuedme2182]

The CoC has been marked with an inbred authority structure based on Campbell’s man-centered, synergistic concept of salvation, which the Bible calls “another gospel.” It is so contrary to God’s way of salvation that He places it and those who promote it under a divine curse (Gal. 1:6-8), which puts those who are entrenched in such CoC collusion on extremely dangerous ground.

[@kjvtruth9831]

WONDERFUL teaching here. My mom was catholic and my dad SDA.. God is crying out "Come out of her my people".. we are to BE he church, not GO to church... Dad being SDA for example taught me the importance of the Lord's Sabbath... it was not and has not been done away with.. GOD FORBID.. but we are not bound by it.. being bound is being enslaved.. Sabbath is a day to rest and REMEMBER that God is GOD and that we have a special time to commune with Him.. to rest in Him.. He has given us a day off.. and he PLAINLY says Sabbath was made FOR man.... a FREE gift.. I LOVE absoluely LOVE how you emphasis the word FREEDOM in your videos.. for the main theme of the entire bible is freedom.. not love but FREEDOM.. for it is only through freedom that you can truly love.. Adam was free to choose, God set the israelites free, He sent Christ to die for our FREEDOM.. once you choose Christ, you are free indeed.. ANYTHING binding is of Satan.. Catholic women resemble muslim woman.. partly because mohammad's mommy was catholic, but primarily because SATAN binds women in their attire.. same as mennonites, or amish.. We are to BE the church.. and I absolutely LOVE the beginning of this video where you speak of the building.. there is NO biblical basis for 'church' buildings.. they ALL have 2 things in common... 1) a billboard out front soliciting BUSINESS and 2) a collection plate inside collecting funds to sustain the said business... We are to GO and BE the church.. clothe the naked and feed the hungry.. by doing THIS we will SHOW the world the love of Jesus.. NOT by sitting still in some building hoping to draw in patrons.... IMAGINE the money that is in just the real estate alone of these 'corporate worshippers' as you call them.. IMAGINE>. WHAT could be done with this money! HOW MANY could come to know the Lord if we DID what we preached!!! Oh Jesus.. forgive us, for we know not what we do!!!!

[@lindahutchens8612]

KJVTRUTH We are NOT to forsake the assembly of our selves together as is the manner of SOME but exhorting one another and so much the more as you see the Day approaching; Hebrews 10:25 and regarding the Sabbath......So let no one judge you in food or in drink or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths; Colossians 2:16.

[@kjvtruth9831]

@@lindahutchens8612 I'll see your "forsake not the assembly" and I'll raise you a " you have turned my father's house into a DEN OF VIPERS". I will NOT assemble with SNAKES let alone the most dangerous of all snakes VIPERS. VIPERS who have signed 501c3 tax free covenants with Ceasar "allowing" them to disregard the rendering unto ceasar commandment we are to assemble WITH BRETHREN. NOT VIPERS. We are to assemble together..as the first century BRETHREN did. That favorite verse of your local liar for hire does nothing but guarantee himself attendence to fill his wallet every venerable day of the sun. I'm not judging you regarding Sabbath, but I will do as commanded in 2 tim 4:2.

[@janeyue7491]

Hi Amber I thank God that you are able to see the doctrine of grace taught in the scriptures, and that the Church of Christ made everything sounds like law. It seems to me that they also contradict themselves when they talk about walking the narrow road, and make it like a requirement to walk at it in order get to heaven, but in Revelations 7:9 shows that heaven will be filled with people, and it is not because of their work, but because of the grace of God, the obedience of one- Jesus Christ the Lord. I do have a question to ask you. Do you believe that there are two different salvations in the Bible? One being eternal salvation, and the other being temporal salvation? Although I haven’t read the Bible entirely, studying the scriptures has made me realize that eternal salvation is 100% by the grace of God. He saved His people that he has chosen before the foundation of the world, predestinated them, made them accepted in the beloved, (eph 1:4-6) and those whom he has saved will be in heaven. Temporal salvation is salvation conditioned based on our obedience to God while here on earth. Let’s use an example based on my studies of King David. King David became king years after King Saul disobey God because God tell him to kill all, but he has failed to kill everyone as well as all the animals in the Amalek. The Amalek was the ones who chased after the weak and the feeble minded during the times when the Israelites were in the dessert for 40 years. God was the pillar by cloud by day, and the pillar by fire by night, so they can stay away from the heat during the day, and the cold during the night, but the Amalek attacked the Israelites who struggled to keep up the clouds. That was one of the many tasks that King Saul failed, and so God send an evil spirit to Saul (which btw i believe is not to say that Saul has lost his salvation in an eternal sense, but during his time on earth, i see that similar to God sending him a reprobate mind as mentioned in Romans 1:28). Anyways, after King David with the strength of the Lord kill the giant Goliath, and slain his 10k, and became King, he has sinned against the Lord. He has lied to the priest claiming that he was in a secret mission from Saul, looking for food. As a result, Saul killed the whole family of the priest which is a whole city of people due to the downfall of David. But David sinned when he committed adultery with Bathsheba, and then killed her husband Uriah. First off, he lost a very good warrior who fought for him throughout the years. That is like saying one lost a best friend that was always there for then because of something that person did, and that happened here on earth. Not only did David lost a good warrior, Uriah, he also lost the child of Bathsheba, Amon, and Absalom, as a result of David’s sin which is a tragedy of his life. Let’s also not forget that David has been facing constant battles, and wars, as the sword will never leave his house. Also, his family life went down hill. David’s wives has been taken by his neighbor in front of the broad daylight, and one of David’s sons raped one of David’s daughters. That is a dysfunctional family that David and his family faced due to the fact that David has sinned while here on earth. Do keep in mind that with the scenario of Job, it is not because Job has sinned, but because God gave the power to Satan, with the restriction of not killing Job to test him out. But Job still worship the Lord, and it shows us that when we are struggling with trials and tribulations while here on earth, we should learn from Job, still continue to pray, worship Him, seek for His guidance, and not blame the Lord, for God is good and God is just. But Back to David that in the case of King David, all those dysfunctional family situation and the constant battles is basically the consequences he and his family faced due to sins while here on earth. Chastisement and those actions could have been avoided if he didn’t commit those sins in the first place. But did he lose his salvation in the eternal sense? In 2 Samuel 23:5, it states, ‘Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.’ Even though he has faced all those corruptions, dysfunctional families while here on earth, he knows that Devine love still last. He knows that the everlasting covenant of eternal salvation is certain. Jesus Christ has saved David from His sins, as King David is one of God’s chosen people before the foundation of the world. So from the example above, I believe there are two salvations, and they are eternal salvation and temporal salvation. Eternal Salvation is salvation by the grace of God without any Human involvement to His people (keep in mind that some people are not chosen before the foundation of the world, and those are natural man who can not receive the spirit and cannot know Him as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 2:14). Temporal Salvation is conditioned based on our obedience to God while here on earth. David could have been saved from chastisement and from having a dysfunctional family if he didn’t commit the sins he did while here on earth, but that doesn’t take away the enteral salvation because Christ has died for Him and His blood has washed away the sins of David in the eternally sense, and therefore, we will see him in heaven.

[@jakieragosa9179]

Can I just scream THANK YOU! You have articulated what my heart is feeling can we please have a Bible study. I really need support as I transition. This is so hard.

[@jenniferdensley9508]

I feel like screaming THANK YOU too! I am trying to leave the COC behind too but it is so hard!!!!

[@SpotterVideo]

Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. ================== New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) Watch the KZbin video “The New Covenant” by Bob George.

[@bibleculture]

I would be interested to know how you interpret Scripture to follow God. If you don't have authority for everything you do, then how should we live as God wants us to?

[@billshumway6173]

In the same way when a father tells his children what he expects of them by his aithority, and they don't respect his authority by not doing what he has asked them to do, then how are they going to do right if they don't have respect for his authority?

[@khualpuzou9397]

My dear, do you really think Noah built an ark with his bare hands? God did command Noah to build an ark giving different instructions, but God did NOT specified what instruments should be used for construction right? But it's understood that he need tools/instruments to build an ark even though God didn't specify it. Similarly, In Acts, we have a command to come together on the first day of the week for assembly. For this we need a place even though the Bible didn't mention once to construct a building. It's understood. Also, this material aren't part of the Gospel that will save us it's part of necessity. We can worship without a building anywhere. You speak like as if it's mandatory to construct a building for worship place. You can be baptized using any water, the Bible didn't specify which type of water to used... Distilled water? Sea water?.. River?. Pond?.. its part of necessity but the Bible didn't specify any particular water, so on... Imagine,if the Bible mention all instructions on how to conducts in all spheres of our life, I am afraid we will have Big volume of Bible. We won't even have a place to keep our Bible.

[@johnboy76122]

Khualpu Zoute stop calling her sweetheart and dear you weirdo.

[@nettahurt261]

Sir Zoute,. You made a good point that the Bible doesn't always specify the materials we are to use . But when it does ...., we take heart what is said , to who it's said , why (purpose ) it's said , and if when is specified , and how it said to do it if it's specified . Rightly dividing the word for the purpose to Worship God in spirit and in truth ,, according to the scriptures that are given to equip us in our perfect (complete ) serving God according to His righteosness , to please him not any person's opinion . It's just as important to worship & serve God with our whole being . Heart soul and our minds . He's given us what is good for man , how we can live peacefully among each other . God's order of things is important to keep balance . Also important to trust him and let him direct our steps . If we focus only on apart of our thinking without balance of love or only on our emotions then it's not balanced . Then we are tend to think /feel something is missing . We always need to feed on his word ,daily .

[@sthrnvoice3198]

Right expediency vs. addition

[@projektkirche4323]

Amber Head, good thoughts. Have you ever read the writings of the Early Christians? This helped me to come back to the Roman Catholic Church. God bless you!

[@PShawtx]

No there is no there is no command in Acts to meet on the first day of the week. There is nothing saying not to either. As for as what day the church meets on the book of acts shows the first century church met on the Saturday Gods Sabbath. All references to when the church met in acts is that it met then. There is no command in acts as to when the church should meet.

[@tlcoucke]

She is absolutely correct up to a point. The c of C throws away God's Law and thus Christ as well. John 5:46-47 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” The NT is full of OT quotes. You will not understand the context if you don't understand the context of the quote.

[@jomargarbo4829]

The doctrines of our Lord Jesus Christ is not a matter of perfection, but a matter of how we ought to live our lives on the purpose of God for us. Truly, there are no perfect persons or even Christians. You've just been discouraged. But do not leave the body of Christ, the church. Encourage your spirit with the words of God. 😊 I hope you will be enlightened Sister. - Jomar Garbo, Church of Christ preacher, Philippines

[@Saluter24]

If Jesus had said that the Apostles doctrine was not significant to salvation and the obedient's continuance in His Church, why did Paul call it "the churches of Christ", or instruct Timothy to follow the doctrine in 1 Timothy 4:16 that he had been taught? At the time of the New Testament writings, there were basically 3 doctrines in the land, the Jewish Religion, All other "religions", and the Church. If we get back to teaching the truths in God's Word, everything else is just feelings - but in love we must teach others - for their is no other Word under Heaven to instruct us unto Salvation. 1 Timothy 1:12-15.

[@randallferguson6075]

You’ve given no specific example of these “good suggestions” we evidently follow as commands. You reference worship. What about worship are we following as a command when it is as you say is a good suggestion?

[@AustinRogers1]

Amber, where is the idea of denominations in Scripture? What did Jesus mean when He said in Jn 4:24 that those who worship God must do so in spirit and truth? Do you still believe that baptism is necessary for forgiveness of sins?

[@litosolis2]

I watched completely your first video and here comes your second one. I am proud that i am a member to the Lord's body the church. your idea of legalism or freedom is the same as the world want to do. I am not condemning you but my idea of freedom is according the freedom that my Savior wanted to give me. I am free from sin though i am not perfect.

[@inmyopinion651]

We will never be free from sin in this fallen world but can still inherit the Kingdom through Christs work on the cross.

[@sarasmith6324]

I do not understand why there are different levels of sins. A sin is a sin

[@misha-elministries5246]

So your still sinning. Gods seed is not in you , you shall be perfect.New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

[@dogmutty2]

@@misha-elministries5246born again Spirit no, but flesh yes

[@AustinRogers1]

@@misha-elministries5246 Read 1 John 1:5-2:1. A Christian can sin. John said so. The better translation of the text you referenced is 1 John 3:9 (NASB) 9 "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." The key word is "practices."

[@mr.1787]

If doctrine (i.e. "teaching") is not the basis for unity, then what is?

[@tommoore584]

If I may also comment to this as well. No there is no authority in the New Testament to use songbooks no there is no authority to say use a pitch pipe followed by do mi so no there is no authority for a Christian to say follow these examples of what Paul has given or follow the order of the worship service or you are in sin there is no authority for a preacher to extend an invitation at the end of his sermon. There are disagreements in the church today yes there have been divisions among church members about some disagreement that was taught, but if there is one thing that the church has in common is that our goal is to get to heaven. Not to please others by competition of filling pews every Sunday and Wednesday. Notice how you talk about denominations doing things together for a moment. Does a denominational group preach on the truth of Gods word? Do they teach on what the scriptures have to say on what happens if you die in your sins? Do they spread the good news to seek and save the lost or is there a feel good moment of come in we have vibranting pews and coffee and donughts come listen to our choir sing and enjoy the show? Do you believe denominations do everything by Gods authority?I do believe in worship there's nothing wrong with changing the order of how the service goes for example on the fourth Sunday night the congregation that I attend (Northwest church of Christ Arlington,tx)will have a singing if there is a fifth Sunday of the month instead of a regular service we focus on prayer. Again I don't see anything wrong with changing the order of worship. As long as it is what God has commanded. The church uses example of what was practiced in the first century 1 Corinthians 12 :24-25 we do have a commandment as Christians to partake of the lords supper. Again as I stated in previous comment on your first video Hebrews 10:24-25 and let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works vs 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as is the manner of some but exporting one another and so much the more as you see the day approaching.James 4:17 he that knows to good and does not do it to him it is sin. You disagree with things that are being discussed amongst the church. You believe that sin is wrong, but have you and your husband considered the fact of leaving the church and forsaking the assembly as living a life of sin? Have you also considered the fact that you have not only left the brethren but you have left your first love God? Now I am not saying that I have all the answers to what is talked about in the Bible, I don't always agree with other brothers and sisters on everything,but I am not going to leave because I have a disagreement on something. Let me ask you again do you want to go to heaven? How can you do that if you have turned away from God? Do you think about what God will say to you on the day of judgement? James 2:13 judgement is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Do you feel you are being merciful to those whom you have left? Do you think about what that does to another fellow brother or sister in Christ emotionally? Again I am not perfect I am just a Christian a forgiven sinner and there are things in my life I try to work on everyday. I am speaking this because I care I am not telling how to live your life I am simply giving another point of view. I will pray for you and your husband. Thank you for reading my comment!!!

[@tommoore584]

I am re rereading my comment I said no authority I meant to say no command I was running on little sleep there is no command for an invitation no command given for a pitch pipe no command for a do mi so I am sorry again no command not authority no command that you have to do worship in the exact order or it is sin it is only sin if it is not what God commanded.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Amber Head I have left lots of comments and all have disappeared. Can you tell me why? Also once again can you tell me if you believe baptism is necessary for salvation? What commands do you believe we have to follow?

[@crazymarko1278]

Amen. Well said. I applaud your courage in saying these true things, even though it might cause some discomfort and difficulties for you. As a former PK in the COC, I second what Amber is saying. I don't know Amber Head. I look for posts like this to see if I'm alone. My family won't leave the COC with me. I can tell you first hand that adopting the attitude of laying your doctrine at the feet of God and being open to changing your stance of Biblical subjects is only uncomfortable at first, but it's liberating later. For the church of Christ, how you physically worship is so wrapped up with the thought of being saved, that any change to these regimens might mean provoking the wrath of God. Being open to being wrong is frightening because if you see you were wrong about one thing you always believed, it may mean that other things could be wrong, or worse, that maybe even God isn't real. I remember shaking in fear after seeing one little verse in a new light, John 3:5. When a non-denominational friend told me what he thought the verse meant, I laughed at him and told him he was stretching that verse to say what he wanted it to mean. But later, I prayed and told God that I would follow anything He revealed, no matter what I found, and I meant it. Then, as if seeing the verse for the very first time, I saw that it had nothing to do with water baptism. That is when I shook in fear. My whole spiritual world was in doubt, and I was depressed. A few days later, a thought and feeling came into me that -wait a minute...God is still real, Jesus is still real, I'm still saved, but now I understand something that I didn't before. I asked myself, why was I so frightened? Because change is scary, especially about the most important thing in our lives. Throughout the years, I remained open to being uncomfortable and truly, all-the-way surrendered to God, and started over with Christ. That means looking into everything again with a truly open mind, and trusting that the Holy Spirit will reveal what you need to know. I was uncomfortable so many times that I grew out of being uncomfortable. Years later, I am now free in Christ, and ready to be wrong about something in scripture. Yes, I feel like I can now rejoice when someone shows me something in the Bible that I didn't previously understand. Members of the Church of Christ, if you can't say the same, then you do not have the correct attitude! Humble yourselves before the Lord and be willing to be wrong! It's only scary at first, then it's pure joy to not have all these man made rules. You're swimming in man-made ceremony! The command, example, and necessary inferences ordinance is not Biblical; we aren't given that model. I am SO far from where I want to be in Christ, but I can say this, being free in Christ and truly surrendering (even your doctrine) gives you strength like nothing else. My days of shivering in fear are gone, replaced by the knowledge that Christ will speak for me, no matter what. Bring on all of us being wrong about doctrine! All we need is Christ, then we can learn along the way. Amber Head is correct. I challenge members of the church of Christ to listen to her video with an open heart.

[@amberhead1630]

Thank you, sir, and God bless you on your journey of faith.

[@crazymarko1278]

And God bless you and your family's as well.

[@bobwhatshisname2161]

So, after reading John 3:5 have you become a born again believer ?. Baptized in the Holy Spirit ?.You are right in that it is not about legalism however we do reap what we sow. Saved by grace and not of works.

[@crazymarko1278]

I don't really understand what you are asking, but yes, we are saved by grace and not works. I was already a saved believer before I read John 3:5, but that is the moment when I realized that it is possible for me to be wrong, so from then on I put my assumptions under a microscope. That enabled me to grow out of legalism.

[@eusebiusjosephus3164]

John 3:5 is not about baptism. It is about receiving the Holy Spirit after you are baptized. There are so many verses about water baptism and you are converted away from the truth by something that is not even talking about that? Baptism is not a work. The removal of dirt from the flesh does not save you it is an appeal for a clean conscience. Baptism is no more a work than "thinking" about being saved and accepting Jesus into your heart. People get paid to think - mathematicians get paid to think. They are doing work. You are doing works when you "call Jesus into your heart." You are being legalistic when you try to call baptism a work. It is done through faith in God - the faith that he will save you when you are baptized. Did the Apostles do work when they healed sick? Or was it God doing the work through them? Just because they put their hands on someone doesn't mean they were doing anything! Baptism is the same. I am sorry, but you and Amber are deeply mistaken when you think you can ignore the guidance of the almighty God. Are you sure that your revelation is not a delusion? The Bible is not hard to understand. Any person can read the Bible with no agenda or lense and would automatically assume you have to be baptized. You have to go through hoops and rationalizations to think something else. You must create complicated doctrines do get around baptism. I have no problem being wrong. I am not scared to open my mind. I say the following with no ill will. I love you as an erring brother and I want to tell you the truth. I read your arguments and see a lost and confused person who is at war with their convictions because they have been peer pressured by their incorrect friends. I see someone who wants to rebel against their parents and wants them to be wrong even though deep down they know the truth. What you are doing is wrong. You lead people astray by your ill informed and unsubstantiated testimony. I will pray that you embrace humility and come to repentance. May God touch your heart and lead you to the truth.

[@littv5970]

Coc members have friends in the world whom they do business with but at the same time they do not conform to the practice of the world. I think u received wrongly the message

[@RobStarnes100]

Amber, I am SO sorry that this was your experience. I found the Lord through the coC at age 28, and became a Minister with them. I did choose to leave (just as your husband did) because I could no longer match my understanding of Scripture with traditional coC doctrine. I would agree also, that the coC has developed its identity around what it is NOT (NO instruments, NO women in teaching roles, etc) rather than what it is. I do have a few responses, though. First, as the coC has no hierarchy, congregations identifying themselves as coC vary greatly in perspective and practice. I would be careful about asserting that you know what they practice and why - because it is really all over the map. I found the Lord in an incredible coC - where the Holy Spirit was alive and well - and was nurtured in my faith for a decade in another. I have also experienced profoundly legalistic coC - most of which are dying/nearly dead - where CENI-E is a way of life. Second, I think it appropriate to note that the coC is not the odd man out in this legalistic tradition. The fact is that in the 1950s-60s most American churches exploded in numbers - largely due to social economic conditions after WWII. Churches became THE social outlet for burgeoning families. Under pressure to grow, many churches/denominations introduced this 'competitive' rhetoric, seeking to separate themselves from 'those other people.' It is sad, really, but my point is that it is not coC specific. Third, as I have grown in my faith and experienced other tribes of believers, I have learned to appreciate that it is the motivation of one's heart that God is concerned with, rather than the specifics of the expression. You are correct in asserting that the NT tells us nearly NOTHING about worship practices, sacramental procedures or leadership structure. In fact, Stone & Campbell founded the Restoration Movement in response to the needless implementation of such things by 'high churches.' True to form, though, humans have succeeded in simply replacing one broken understanding with another - developing a different set of traditions that soon become doctrinal in value. Having said that, I also see those who have left groups like the coC (remember - me included), that fail to consider the hearts of those practicing those traditions. Our family left one coC because I was not allowed to sit in a children's class with my son and hear the songs the (female) teacher was introducing to the 2-3 year old's. Initially, this angered me greatly - and on many levels I still think it is ridiculous - but over the years I have realized the teacher's decision to ask me to leave was a matter of conscience. Her goal was to serve the Lord with all of her heart. This is something, I believe, God values greatly. As the prophet Samuel experienced in selecting Saul's replacement (1 Sam 16) God sees the heart of a man, rather than judging by appearances. Paul calls us to be similar in Romans 14, as he addresses arguments over different perspectives and tells each to be weary of asking another to violate his conscience. Thus, I do believe that different perspectives can be held by Christians and still be honorable to the Lord, because it is the motivation that God is concerned with most. I say all this to communicate three things: 1. I applaud your desire to open hearts and minds as you gain in understanding! 2. Take care to ensure that you are considering the hearts of a believer over his/her method of expression (I recognize that you are trying to encourage others to do that, I am simply cautioning you to avoid valuing your current expression as somehow better than others). 3. The Lord reaches people in many ways. The reality is that one expression of faith may work exceptionally well for some, but horribly for others. Our job is to look for the beauty that God sees in those expressions first. :-) Blessings to you on the journey! P.S. - I don't know that anything I've said here is worth quoting, but if you do please DATE it. I see things differently now than I did 10 years ago, and I suspect I will be able to say the same 10 years from now. - Diatribe complete -

[@FreeBird_6791]

Robert. I appreciate your words. I have worshiped at a church of Christ all my life, have my own questions and what you wrote makes perfect sense, regardless of whether I stay or go. Thank you.

[@dennislange7931]

The NT tells us nothing about leadership structure when it has Paul telling Titus to appoint elders in every church, when it has Paul giving the qualifications for bishops and deacons, when it has Ephesus in Acts 20 with elders who are overseers (bishops) and who pastor (shepherd) the flock, the same three things Peter gives of fellow elders in I Pet.5? ????!!!!!

[@dennislange7931]

I see. Your main problem is you just don't believe the Bible and think that it has errors. :(

[@tiffanymichelletomb]

Amber, I grew up with my father as the song leader of church of christ. This institution has been heartbreaking for my family to exist. I found strange things growing up. I was the girl with a lot of questions. That made them very angry. The best thing I did for myself was to remove myself from this abusive structure. Women were not allowed to pray or have any notion when a man was around. That's rely messed up. I've come to a place in my life where I see spiritually in different ways. I've been in therapy for al. Ost six years now and have had to understand my Ptsd and the abuse I had growing up with this church and my family. It truly hurts and divides human beings. I have so much more to say, but I'll stop here and send lots of love to you and any other person that dealt with this cult. It's not far from Scientology in ways. Thee fear, guilt, and also the hypocrisy. Love to you.

[@tiffanymichelletomb]

Sorry for grammar. On my phone. Autocorrect is not do correct.

[@stevencrouch2971]

What are the specific examples of corporate worship from the New Testament?

[@stevenpoteat5649]

Thanks Amber, I realize that I am over 2 years past due, but I just found your video. You are one of the best preachers that I have ever heard. I loved what you said and how you said it. I am just an old man that enjoys going to church, worshiping GOD, giving gifts and singing songs of praise, and fellowship with other believers. Keep it up, Make another video. Love you in the Lord, Ron

[@williamgullett5911]

What makes you say she is a preacher?

[@terrancej3047]

Sister please tell me what this words mean? Philippians 3:16 (KJV) Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

[@64warrior]

We must go by GODS book...not Yours....I no longer have my book...There is only one Church....The Church of Christ is the only True Church!!!

[@christopherchaffin8184]

Isn't that what Catholics say? Are you right, or are they right? Please answer in complete sentences, with annotations for your response.

[@WestwoodMemphiz]

Only a few will be saved. Continue to serve in spirit and truth. Churches of christ salute you.

[@reformedchristian7751]

"If you make water baptism necessary as a part of salvation, you've fallen from grace and been alienated from Christ" - Paul Galatians 5

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@christopherchaffin8184 The churches of Christ salute you; Romans 16:16 and the word Catholic NOT in the word of God.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@reformedchristian7751 No, Jesus made water baptism a part of salvation and those who have fallen from grace in the context is talking about the Law of Moses. 1. Baptism is the way "INTO" Christ: "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized "INTO" Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?" (Romans 6:3). "For as many of you as have been baptized "INTO" Christ have PUT ON Christ". Can one be saved without putting on Christ in baptism? (Galations 3:27). 2. Baptism is for remission of sins: "Then Peter said unto them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION OF SINS and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost . (Acts 2:38). "And now why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS, calling on the name of the Lord; Acts 22:16. Baptism saves us: "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved; Mark 16:16. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (I Peter 3:21; man says baptism doth not also save us."). 3. Baptism is a request for a clean conscience: "And corresponding to that, BAPTISM now SAVES YOU (once again man says baptism does not save you) not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but AN APPEAL TO GOD FOR A GOOD CONSCIENCE--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ (I Peter 3:21-22; NASB). Here we see not only does baptism saves you, but how. Peter says it is an appeal to God for a good conscience. This is in keeping with Ananias' statement to Saul: "Why do you delay? Arise and be baptized and wash away your sins calling on His name (Acts 22:16). We are appealing to God to wash away our sins from our conscience, through the resurrection of Christ, to which you become connected through baptism (Colossians 2:12 and Romans 6:3-4). 4. Baptism is an operation of God : "Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead; Colossians 2:12. So let me end by asking you a question : Since God operates in baptism whose work is it and is baptism a part of salvation?

[@CarolynHouse]

AMBER! I have seen recently a line of thought that says the concept of hell is not taught in the Bible. What’s your opinion?

[@lindahutchens8612]

C House Now Satan is teaching there is no hell just like he is teaching everyone has grace and there are no commands; people we have to read the word of God and see what it says and not man.

[@justachristiansoldier9609]

I appreciate your video very much. I am a member of the COC and completely agree with you on all accounts. Me and my family attend a fairly "liberal" COC that we like at this time and the people are great, I do think it depends on the individual congregations. I have come across some COC members throughout my 50+ years on this earth who have been so legalistic that they have actually repelled people away from the faith and "kicked" the brethren in the shins passive aggressively that at times I have wanted to introduce them to the end of my momma's old switch. And whoever said that the lifting of Holy hands is cultural, that is idiotically ridiculous, it is not cultural, it is worshipful. What they are really saying is that they are much too dignified to engage in such behavior. I think that proves your point. God bless.

[@gilbertchan823]

Hello Justin, Check this church out. Maybe you'll find what you are looking for incmedia.org/our-beliefs/ Everything is based on the bible. No addition, no subtraction, no personal opinions, no denominations.

[@deborahhouston4249]

Should you focus on people or God? Who are you serving?

[@gilbertchan823]

@@deborahhouston4249 God.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Amber Head Do we need to obey the gospel and if so what is the gospel and what must we DO to be saved? Is baptism essential/necessary for salvation? Do you still believe (since you no longer attend a church of Christ) believe like you did before that baptism is for remission of sins?

[@michaelcarney1028]

Amen. Your testimony has touched my heart. God will reveal the truth to those who seek the truth of his word. HIS grace and love is so wonderful. It is all of God. Eph 2: 8&9

[@melclarkedu]

MICHAEL CARNEY you right I had to seek his word

[@arthurriechert6473]

Why the hat?

[@quentinduffy1116]

Human nature is a funny thing, we (the restored churches of Christ) poke a finger at Catholicism and condemn it for having an "infallible" human leader who can dictate church law, meanwhile we have a group within our own ranks that does the same. And what makes things worse is, you can't question their decisions without some kind of backlash or black spot, just like a medieval papacy!

[@christrescuedme2182]

It is good that you are questioning things in the CoC!! That is a good sign that the Lord may be leading you out of darkness, into the light of the true gospel.

[@dsvet]

I always cringe a little when I watch these "why I left the coc" videos mainly because I see myself in people like Amber 12yrs ago. I was like them. I had all their questions. I attended the Richland Hills church of Christ, now named The Hills Church led by Rick Atchley. I too thought I was "being led by God" but began to really observe and listen to what was being preached and done. Instead of being lead by emotion I started to study and be led by the Holy Spirit and reason. I looked around during the instrumental services. I started to see through the stage smoke, the loud instruments, the multicolored stage lights and multimedia presentations. A watershed moment was when a few of the members during one of the adult classes claimed to be able to "speak in tongues". yes like the Benny Hinn type. I desired discernment and studied diligently. I realized that these people were really no different than the people in the CoC that they criticized. They were legalistic too just in a different manner. I also realized that I had become the prodigal son. I was the one that left the church to create a God that is not in the bible. To worship God of my will instead of His. I realized that the "conservative church of Christ' as they are called had been right all along. I notice how Amber says 'Just think of what they are missing" in regards to worship and fellowship with God. I am sooo glad I do not have that spirit anymore. I now realize it's not about me, it's about pleasing God. I don't want want God to miss out. I don't want Him to be displeased with the offering of the fruit of my lips and singing in spirit and truth. I have now come back to the "conservative' church and have grown so much in the last 3 yrs. I pray that Amber and people like her will return as well.

[@strikeoutspareme2770]

So true. "I notice how Amber says 'Just think of what they are missing" in regards to worship and fellowship with God." Yep, just think of what Noah was missing when he couldn't have the smell of cedar on the ark. It has such a beautiful smell and is a beautiful wood. It is so delightful to the nose and to the eyes. He should have used it even though it would have been blatant rebellion against God for surely God wouldn't have minded, right? Noah must have been a victim of legalism since he did what God told him to do instead of going with what smells and looks good. Of course, Noah survived the flood, too. There's another example that Amber probably won't like as authority. (Romans 15:4) They probably will exclaim that my spirit and motivation is wrong, but such is the case when people have made up their mind that "Freedom in Christ" is freedom to do as you please. I've had this alleged many times, and it gets tiresome when they have no reply but, "God didn't say not to do it."

[@dac7833]

Thank you for sharing an important perspective that can only come from dilligent study with an open mind, and heart. Can one truly know the correct path to follow without that mindset? "Study to show yourself approved of God a workman that need not be ahsamed rightly dividing the word of truth". We should always prefer the word to direct our steps. Should we want that any other way?

[@megs2401]

Could not agree more. Worship that stirs an emotional response is awesome, but it's ultimately not about me. I love your perspective, and I respect Amber's, as well.

[@andrewortiz9226]

Church of Christ is not the only church or congregation doing The Will Of God!!

[@DrakeBlackwolf]

dsvet I can’t deal with all the fear mongering any more my self! They have no clue what or how to have a good balance between love and fear mongering.

[@mackpugh8395]

So much misleading information about the church of Christ in all two of your videos. Hymenaeus and Philetus - And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity ( 2 Tim. 2:17-19). Alexander the coppersmith (The Judaizing teacher, who violently opposed the true doctrine of the gospel - 1 Tim. 1:20). Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his work. Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words (2 Tim. 4:14-15). Diotrephes - I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church (3 John 1:9-10). I want to knpw what church you and your husband belong to now? Do yall meet in a building? Do yall use song books? Remember this -Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation (2 Pet. --1:20--). We are to let the scriptures interpret scriptures -- Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Cor. 2:13). And when Paul was preaching in the upper room until midnight was he and the members in a building in (Acts 20:7). The church was meeting in different houses -- Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.(Rom. 16:3-5). Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house (Col. 4:15). Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer, And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house: (Philemon verses 1-2). I can refute so many things you have said. May God have mercy on you and your family. Again, what religious group are you belonging to now so I can examine it by the Bible as the Bible says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good (1 thess 5:21). Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). Until next time--Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you (Rom. 16:16).

[@boscareccia]

You speak the absolute truth. My family and I left CoC because of the spiritual abuse and bickering over what is and isn’t “scriptural.” I wish you’d make more of these videos as you continue your journey! The thing I missed out on the most was the Holy Spirit. They teach cessation, but the Holy Spirit is alive and well today. The Spirit breathes fire into our souls and love and wisdom in our hearts. I have embraced this since leaving-I never believed in cessation even in the CoC. I would similarly love to hear more about what you’ve been discovering in your spiritual (and personal) life since leaving. I hope you are well and happy in your spiritual freedom. God bless you.

[@Concatenate]

The Holy Spirit never ceased, just the supernatural miraculous abilities given to man. This is very common church of Christ teaching.

[@farmallcubtractor]

Question?? Where did you go?? What church do you go to now??

[@larrycheek9209]

Amber, Have you read the book "Church Refugees"? It is not only the coC who has distorted scriptures while designing what they believe to be the Church? In fact there is "only one church" the one which Jesus established. Notice that one carefully in scriptures and observe that it never shows its self as physical congregation in a physical location. That is because the church that Jesus designed is within each of his followers. It is just like God and Jesus it is a living Spirit. This Spirit (the church) can exist in any environment of this world, inside prisons, within governments who oppose it (they do not have any power over the Spiritual Church). Get one of the many Bible search engines (I use e-sword almost exclusively, its free, but for a small fee you can have over 20 translations to search). Search on words or phrases. Search NT for "worship" and see if there is any instructions to "go to or to attend worship". Why would there not be? if you were commanded to go to "worship", then it would have been a necessity that there was a time that you were not worshiping. God wants your life to be a worship, to do that involves 24/7, never off duty. Does anyone think Jesus displayed that he was not worshiping his father 24/7 ? How many organizations called church have explained that your worship is not in the assembly?

[@amberstraw7983]

Larry Cheek, I have not read that book, but I agree with the principle. Our lives should be 24/7 worship.

[@johnlewis7106]

All our life is not worship. These are the kind of comments that show's complete ignorance. We eat, we work, we exercise and do many other things that are not worship. All of Jesus life was not worship and he's are perfect example. He did no sin nor was there any guile found in his mouth, Jesus hungered, he wearied, he agonized, he wept to mention a few things that he did. Please study the bible without predetermining what it's saying before you read or being influenced by someone else. Read with integrity that you might received with meekness the implanted word that's able to save your soul. God bless you.

[@SimonUK83]

Have you told in either video or any commet what your belief system is now? If so, I can't find it and I'm curious. You should do a video about why, and what influenced you to choose your current religious group. I wonder if you really have your own faith or you have just adopted your parents and now your husbands belief system.

[@robertdennyii6129]

We have to remember that we also can't add to nor take away.

[@ChrissysLittleCorner]

@Jennifer Seay I watched/stomached one of your videos. I was born and raised (several generations) of cOC, so I know exactly where you are coming from... and I want to warn you... you need to pray God will open your eyes and take off those cOC colored glasses. When they speak of church of Christ in the Bible, it is referring to believers in Christ, NOT referring to "Campbellite" church of Christ that we know in America today. You have to remove yourself to be able to have your eyes opened. I know how you look at people like me that speak against it. I used to be you.

[@bbarnaby8516]

@@ChrissysLittleCorner Wonderfully said!

[@lindahutchens8612]

Amber Head What commands are there in the New Testament? Do you believe baptism is necessary for salvation? How would you teach one to become a Christian and please use scripture; thanks!

[@AlanCanon2222]

Your dishwashing sink analogy is the most concise, coherent critique of the Churches of Christ as I have ever heard.

[@sprinklenose4445]

Can you come back and make more videos. There is little support for us? Please

[@terrancej3047]

Now since you left the church how do you feel when you sin.

[@MrWc867]

"The church" is a body of believers from ALL Christian Denominations. Many Church of Christ followers believe, "The Church" is the "Church of Christ" exclusively.

[@defenestratefalsehoods]

By the bible, a woman who dont cover her head is a sin and disgraceful and a woman is not to speak in church. How many people break those rules. Sin is what the church make it to be. Do I live my life right, do I treat others how I wish to be treated, do I look out for my fellow man? That's all that counts. Not if I gave 10% of my pay to help some pastor but a new jet or if I spent sunday yelling aman.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@MrWc867 So are you saying that all these different denominations teaching all different ways to be saved are the "church?"

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@MrWc867 Where does the word of God say that the church is the body of believers from ALL Christian denominations. In the first century church on the day of Pentecost they were ALL united teaching the same thing; they did not even know about denominations. They followed the apostle's doctrine and by doing this taught the same thing. The Lord purchased THE church with his own blood; Acts 20:28 and religious division is sinful; we cannot have it our way....it is not our church but the Lord's and he wants us to be ONE. God is not the author of confusion and He certainly did not teach different ways to be saved.......Catholics teach one way to be saved, Baptists another, etc.

[@festusjr2494]

What you are saying is true. What you are doing is right. God bless you. Amen.

[@joserodolforamirez8773]

The church is His body they used to meet in the opening or their houses

[@mulengamukuka6288]

This is what I told one coc in my country this coc is a cult

[@mulengamukuka6288]

@@jersonmanjares2036 Maybe I was wrong to say COC is a cult but it shows some characteristics like a cult. I have a friend who is a member of the COC and says all other churches are going to HELL only COC are saved, I found this to be false because the members in that church masturbated, used charms and judged others with prejudice yet they insist they are the only ones bound for heaven - I wonder which heaven that is?! Cult meaning: a system of religious (veneration) and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object. He believes that the Apostolic ministry was specific for the Jews alone, but that is Not true because it only ends when men reach the fullness of Christ and the grace is now on the gentiles Ephesians 4:13-15. He also said playing any musical instrument is worldly yet the whole bible talks about musical instruments from David to Revelation of Heaven. You shun musical instruments but use cars, computers and phones made by non-believers that is hypocritical don’t you think? These and many other things he said don’t add up with scripture and led me to conclude its like a cult I may be wrong because I think some COC members are truly saved - its also more of a Latino congregation

[@jersonmanjares2036]

@@mulengamukuka6288, im wrong mule, sorry, COC is really a cult...all of them are saying they are bible base doctrine but the truth, theres nothing truth about it, its very unforgivable that they use the bible..and do not followed them at all...liars.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@jersonmanjares2036 Churches of Christ only use the word of God and have no creed books or manuals, etc. Why do you call coC a cult and also liars? We teach the truth on how to be saved and it doesn't include the sinner's prayer and asking Jesus into your heart which is nowhere taught in the New Testament. We all need to study the word of God and check out everything with the word of God to see if it is so and we cannot go by how we feel as to whether we are saved. The word of God must be preached (taught and heard) or it must be read by the individual; John 6:45, Acts 8:30-31, Acts 22:10, Romans 10:14 and Romans 10:17 which says So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. God's word must be believed with all of your heart and mind; Matthew 16:15-16, John 8:24, 8:36-37. One must believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins and was resurrected from the grave; I Corinthians 15:1-4. The believer who seeks salvation by the grace of God through the blood of Christ must repent; Luke 13:3, 2 Corinthians 7:9-10. Then Peter said unto them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit; Acts 2:38. Every believer who believes the gospel of Jesus Christ is commanded by God to confess that Jesus is the Son of God; Acts 8:37. Next the believer must submit to the passive act of being baptized (immersed in water) for the remission of sins; Acts 2:38. Baptism is passive in that an individual has to submit themselves into another's hands for the process to be performed. Note that baptism is NOT a work of man which merits salvation but an operation of God; Colossians 2:12. Please read Acts 8:35-39 and see what needs to be done when Jesus is preached. In baptism sins are washed away; Acts 22:16. In Matthew 16:18 Jesus told Peter he would build His church. Note in Acts 2:41 that those who gladly received His word were baptized and about three thousand souls were added. Acts 2:47 says what they were added to: Praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Here we see the church is made up of the saved and the saved make up the church. There are so many denominations teaching so many different ways to be saved and they cannot all be right. All I have given is scripture and you call coC a cult and people who go there "liars"; but the churches of Christ (Romans 16:16) teach all the above scriptures. I pray that someday you will obey the gospel and have your sins washed away and after your baptism be added by the Lord to his church.

[@alyssaboyle6465]

@@mulengamukuka6288 We don't believe everyone else is going to Hell just because they don't go to our "church". We aren't in the place of God to judge people's hearts and who is going to heaven or Hell. Like what was already mentioned, God adds those who are saved Acts 2:47 to His church. So yes, only those of Christ's church will be saved but that's up to God who is apart of His church and who isn't.

[@PecoJunckes]

Talking about Grace. The grace is real but we can´t use our freedom to indulge the flesh. The truly reason to don´t sin isn´t the fear, but our personal expression of love by God. Is hard to walk with right steps in a way of thorns every day. But if we turn our eyes to the target and hold our love in Jesus, we´ll reach the finish line. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness (1 Jo 1:9). God Bless!

[@horacehall3926]

You said you were baptized at 8 years old. Only men and women were baptized in bible.

[@Concatenate]

Her dad was a preacher/teacher, so there's always going to be pressure for the preacher's kid to follow along. I can understand where the feelings she has are coming from but feelings do not interpret the scriptures. The scriptures are what they are and you either follow them or you don't.

[@bellcm1]

Good point! I never thought of that.

[@arthurriechert6473]

The bible is not God. It is just a book. It doesn't have to be either all true or all lies. Some of it can be true and other parts out of sequence, embellished, and borrowed from other religions.

[@audreyhare3006]

Arthur Riechert you’re wrong. The Bible is the inspired Word of God!!! 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

[@charliegarcia6677]

Read the first versus of the New Testament and it tell you lol

[@clayb.6077]

I think my biggest problem.with the denominations outside the church of Christ is they teach the sinners prayer for salvation or the faith only doctrine. I believe they are both wrong . I was raised in the Baptist church till I was 15 then my family left. I rebaptized in the coc for the remission of sins in 2010. I think those two reasons keep me from considering. Any denominations. I can see your point about the fear and having to be perfect. For me we are told by Paul to lay aside every exuberance and sin. (Hebrews 12) we are to exercise self control in all things to. Receive an imperishable wreath so I won't be disqualified from the race. ( 1st cor 9:24-27). For me I meditate and have memorized. 4 chunks that I've learned by heart. Hebrews 12:1-6, 1 Peter 4::1-2, 1st cor 9-24-27 , and Hebrews 10:38-39. I think on them all the time. They have helped me really focus on what's important. We can't be perfect but I look at God's grace in a different way. For me God's grace is undeserved merit. So think what has God given us that we didn't deserve? It is a sacrifice for sins (Jesus) God's Grace = Jesus. His physical gift for all man kind. . Even Jesus talked about how God the father had prepared the body . so the sacrifice of Jesus body came in the likeness of sinful flesh to fulfill the requirements of the law and reconcile all man kind to God through the Cross. Jesus = our sacrifice for sins thus providing a way for eternal life. There is a wonderful video from wvbs called saved without a doubt. Here on KZbin. It might be of interest to you . I'm glad of 1 John. Especially. 1 John 1:9 and 5:13. After all my studies I think things can be simply include walking in the light and being zealous for good deeds. .

[@XBigLevX]

Wait a minute. Did you make the argument against authority from authority? Or outside of authority? It just looked like for a minute there you were making the argument that we have to have authority to look at the bible from the viewpoint of authority, almost like you still look at the bible through the eyes of authority but then in the very next entrance said you didnt see that approach anywhere authorized. Maybe I'm confused.

[@allenmorgan4309]

What Church did you decide to go to after leaving the Church of Christ?

[@khualpuzou9397]

Sweet heart, do you really think God will give rules to human being which is impossible to follow..??..Matthew says," With God all things are possible".... But we human being find it difficult when it contradicts my comfort zone. We didn't have authority to change the Principles of the Bible but to follow. Paul's said" we have no option against the Truth but for the Truth... I am sorry, but all you need is clarity of the concepts. Read more... Not just some verses suitable for you, but the entire Scripture. You will be all clear by then. All the Best. Come back for Christ!. Not because you want to please somebody but to please the preaching of Christ...

[@johnboy76122]

Khualpu Zoute yet another “you haven’t read what I’ve read” argument. Go polish a pitch pipe.

[@gordonhooker33]

You are quite rude

[@gokupepper]

Stop calling her sweetheart and dear. You are very rude and obviously not Christ-like. Who would want to join your church when you talk down to people this way?

[@duquesne9487]

Why do you choose to be condescending? "Sweet Heart"? Is that how you greet each other at church? You call the sisters "sweet heart".? Check your heart brother

[@Nebraska2927]

I’ve been to congregations in a building, school building, shopping center, and at houses. I have some friends who have been to Africa and there worship service was outside. Same for the times of worship. I’ve been to worship where it starts in morning and night. Some start at the morning and no night service. Some have Wednesday service or Tuesday or Wednesday service. There are many things that God has commanded us, but there are also many expediences that God has left open for us. Instead of “Greeting with a kiss” we greet each one another with a handshake or a hug.

[@christopher2102]

I'm a member of the church of christ and the congregation I belong to doesn't make laws up or commandments because we would be cursed by God

[@agwajisning1387]

Please read this Bible verse 1 cor 1:10/Gal 1:6-8/ 1 Cor 14:33 God is not the author of confusion but of peace as in all the Churches of the saints.

[@Blade383210]

Yes I'm in the Church of Christ and this is everything I hate about it

[@gilov3]

Get out!

[@wendysolivan554]

Leave

[@davidkhan4121]

I'm a church of christ an what i've been thaught is to believe that christ died for our sin get baptize an from there learn more bout his words spread the gospel,an repent whenever you sin,an try not to drink,follow marriage law,an love your enemies well as others an do good,no 1 is perfect we all stumble fall an fall but we need to get back up repent of our sins an keep moving foward. Only God can judge where we heading.

[@joesuantak9732]

Only the New Testament in the Bible can judge us where we are heading to...Jesus Christ His apostles doctrines can us where we stand and where we are heading to...

[@kewlasdeykum]

2:19" Who told us that we need to scour the New Testament, looking for commands, and example and necessary inferences in order to organize our corporate worship" "That's not in the Bible". Revelations 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone ADDS to them God will ADD to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Good luck with avoiding "adding to" or " taking away" from the words of the Bible, without constantly searching the WHOLE BIBLE to know its' commandments. Hebrews 4:11-12 Let us therefore STRIVE to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. For the word of God is living and active , sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit... It is impossible to Strive for rest and avoid disobedience, from God's word and commandments, with out constantly studying for approval of what is required. Perhaps that is why you are teaching these false doctrines. 2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. When you CONSTANTLY "STUDY" God's word, you won't teach false doctrine that will make you ashamed.

[@lindahutchens8612]

Don Roy Jr. We must trust and OBEY; obey is a word the "feel good" churches do not want to hear.

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@SurferRicci Anybody could set up what they call a "church of Christ" and teach anything they want to but that doesn't mean that they are the church the Lord purchased with His own blood (Acts 20:28). They must be teaching the apostle's doctrine and NOT make up their own rules; this is why everyone needs to read and study the word to see if what they teach is in the word of God and if not they would need to find one that IS teaching the word of God. I am so sorry that you had a bad experience with the ICOC as you call it (I do not know what they teach)......I attend a church of Christ which follows the Lord and the apostle's doctrine; churches of Christ teach that Jesus died for our sins and was buried and raised from the grave and Jesus taught "He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved; Mark 16:16. The word of God refutes the "sinner's prayer because of this scripture and the following:: Acts 2:3, Acts 22:16, Galatians 3:26-27, Colossians 2:11-13 and I Peter 3:21 which says baptism doth also now save you. Many believe that the word of God teaches that in order to be saved one should pray to ask Jesus to come into their heart but I have yet found anyone who could provide a single biblical reference to substantiate such a claim. The salvation that Jesus freely gives in not conditioned on prayer but rather it is conditioned on the obedience of faith (Romans 1:15, 16:26). People bring a lot of presupposed ideas to Bible discussions. One presupposition would be that God accepts various "faiths" (which means God accepts various denominations). Where did they get that idea? Can they provide a scripture that says "God accepts various faiths?" or that God accepts division?" No, such a scripture does not exist. The New Testament teaches very much the opposite; look at Ephesians 4:4-6: "There is one body and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one FAITH, one BAPTISM, one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all. When Paul said there is "one faith" he meant there is ONE system of BELIEF that gives salvation. Now, notice Acts 6:7: "And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were OBEDIENT TO THE FAITH." How can a person know if they are obeying the ONE faith? If they are obeying what is written in the Bible then they are obeying the FAITH as per Romans 10:17: "So then faith cometh by HEARING and HEARING by THE WORD OF GOD." If you obey the "ONE FAITH" you will be in the "ONE BODY" which is the one church.

[@phillipmcgill546]

Is there anyway I could email you. You have brought a lot to my attention and has been a direct bombshell to my faith and i have a lot of questions. So much of what I have been taught and so many things coming to light. I have run into a situation where the congregations i attended were so against certain things but would hold on to manly traditions that didn't have a hill of beans to do with anything. thanks.