What is the church of Christ: Part One | S2E7 - The Authentic Christian Podcast

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[@sarahmarieivfmommy8581]

Thank you for this. I grew up catholic but have been going to a non denominational church the last few years. I’m moving to Alabama and trying to find a new church. So many are church of Christ and I came here to understand what that meant. Thank you for making this so clear. I have so much more comfort now knowing that I can go to anyone of these church of Christ churches and feel at home. I’m all about just going somewhere that teaches the Bible. That’s it. Clear as day. What did Jesus say? That’s what I want.

[@itoramos6843]

I grew up in the church of Christ here in California. Glad I found this YT.

[@KaylasMusicalDigest545]

I'm so happy I just found this podcast/ youtube channel! I usually find a lot of tough critics on youtube when I search for the church of Christ. Great episode!

[@larrymcclain8874]

The name "of Christ" (Christian = "of Christ") in Acts 11:26, is in fulfillment of Isaiah 62:1-2. This name was given after the Gentiles became followers of Christ (Acts 10:47-48; 11:1). The term "church of Christ" is one way to do this. I prefer the "Acts 11:26" way, "Christians at (location)." Example, Christians at Southaven; Christians at Main St., etc.

[@prayforme3642]

Nice post

[@TruthTalkWithTim]

This is a great podcast, thank you for doing this video. There are a lot of people that do not know what the church of Christ is and why it is Unique.

[@elizabethhallett5060]

you guys teach nothing what I've seen taught in many churches. I've grown up on the bible and from what I can explain, the holy spirit tells me "WOAH RED ALERT!" when a preacher says something that may sound it's from the bible and wasn't, or maybe a scripture he explained was out of context. But here, I've listened to 7 podcasts, and not once have I gotten that warning. I have gotten confused by what was said, but that was my own human brain trying to throw away silver tongued words I've heard before.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

Thanks for offering a comment section under this video. GBN almost always Doesn't do that, and I can't tell you how detrimental that is to the Truth that you share as it breeds speculation and doubt to anyone watching a GBN video. Hopefully you're realizing that and making the proper change 😊 God bless brothers 🙏

[@ktmlifer]

All the negative comments about this podcast is proof Satin is alive and well.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

How so?

[@nickynolfi833]

He didn't give the keys to the other apostles in Matthew 18. Only Peter in 16. Jesus is quoting Isaiah 22:20 to Peter.

[@CC-mf9le]

i need help, what should i do? im a member of a baptist church. in some way i want to change or correct our pastor on some of his teachings based from the messages ive listened to in this podcast. I really wish of our members to just focus on the scripture like what this podcast does. I dont want to just leave my church because I too love our members of church and want to correct them because i can see that they really love God but just have some false beliefs because of whats been taught to them

[@ballengerfarmhomestead2772]

I feel this on so many levels. I pray you find a way to reach them. We recently left a charismatic church after many years of hoping to change the culture from within. Most are very resistant.

[@thedynamicsolo4232]

Ugh, I really feel for you. You know even being raised in the church, my dad took me to other churches (Baptist and then Nazarene) there were people there I really, really loved (my dad was baptist before he was in the church of Christ, he converted before marrying my mom) that I loved worshiping with. As I grew and learned more of the scripture, I knew there were things that were being taught in error. I decided to go find out the truth and ended up at the age of 30 going to the Bear Valley Bible institute of Denver. We were given 2.5 years of Greek, deep, deep studies of the OT and NT. Even when I graduated my dad was now in a "Bretheren" church. They only took the Lord's supper once a quarter, no baptism was necessary according to them and they played piano/saxaphone, drums, etc. I had left churches because I knew they were not practicing the truth. It was tough to leave, but I knew that our Savior said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". I pleaded with my dad, but he would not relent. I had all the scripture ready for him, but he would default to "Peter denied Jesus and he was saved". Pretty weak argument. My dad was baptized and believed, but my relationship as a Christian with him changed. He couldn't debate me because he knew I had just gone through bible college. Go gently to your pastor first and ask him to refute what the bible says on these matters. Then go to your brothers and sisters and ask them to watch the video's with you. It either agrees with the bible or it doesn't . We must avoid error and false teachers. Once we KNOW, we are responsible to that truth. If you need help, reply and I will help you navigate. I am a minister for the church of Christ which is just a name of a body of believers, we are the church of God, the Saints in Ohio...etc. I will be praying for you on this. Hopefully you have already been given an answer in your heart and courage by the Holy Spirit, but if not, reach out. CJ

[@CC-mf9le]

@@thedynamicsolo4232 thank you very much for the great story and advice!!

[@jeffhodge7420]

Establishing the kingdom on earth bring heavenly down from heavely

[@worldgospelbroadcastingnet3304]

Great lesson

[@AaronArnoldaquapod]

You guys believe baptism is necessary for salvation?

[@AaronArnoldaquapod]

You need to be obedient in order to be baptized. You can't obey what you don't believe in.

[@justanerdyhobbitgirl]

@@AaronArnoldaquapod yes being baptized is part of obedience; belief is just the first step. Baptism without belief is pointless

[@onesimustesfaye7764]

Yes buddy it is a part of the faith(obedient faith).

[@onesimustesfaye7764]

@@justanerdyhobbitgirl I agree with this.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Salvation requires obedience to the Gospel. Never water it down.

[@petrieme283]

What about someone that's lost, becomes sick with cancer, on their death bed and can't be baptized?

[@miguelpina5594]

Pray to God, for more time for the person so they can repent and not just ignore ir

[@lindahutchens8612]

Petrie&Me What about in the days of Noah, why were only 8 souls saved by/through water? Why would God only save 8 people? How many people do you suppose God will save who haven't obeyed the gospel "He that believes and is baptized shall be saved and he who does not believe shall be condemned (Mark 16:16)? The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (2 Thessalonians 1:7-8). The word of God does not deal with hypothetical situations like you mentioned; we are told what we must do to be saved. Remember today is the day of salvation and the Lord can come as a thief in the night so we all need to be ready. Read Acts 8:35-39 and see what needs to be done when Jesus is preached. Jesus said "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day; John 12:48. Jesus also says "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven; Matthew 7:21. Visit the church of Christ (Romans 16:16) for most teach the truth on how to be saved.

[@ravikumar-il8ei]

I'm member of church of christ Amritsar

[@charlesross8708]

When were the Apostles and all those in the upper room "baptized into Christ" with water according to the scriptures? What is Christ's baptism? Thanks

[@mbgrocott7115]

The only place in scripture where you will find an example of one of the Apostles being baptized is in Acts where the conversion of Saul is recorded. Of note, even though Saul had an encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus, and did not eat or drink for three days, (fasting?), he is baptized after Ananias speaks with him. It may be that the Apostles and those in the upper room were not baptized because they had been with Him throughout His ministry. “Christ’s baptism” is not how it is put in scripture. It is how is is put regarding “John’s baptism,” or that of John the Baptist. However, to be “baptized into Christ” means to first repent of your sins, and then to die with Christ in baptism, then be raised up with Him to a new life, (as He was resurrected). It is in baptism that one receives the gift of the Holy Spirit, to comfort you, to walk with you the rests of your days, to work with you in the transformation of your life, and to guide you in the reading and understanding of the scriptures. An insight: Jesus became for us the High Priest forever. (You can read about this in Hebrews). Think about the role of the earthly High Priests. What did they do? (You can read about that in the Old Testament). When Jesus died on the cross, the veil to the Inner Sanctuary of the Temple was torn in two. Why? Because Christ made available to everyone to enter the most holy place where sacrifice was made for sins by His death on the cross. All are invited individually to enter in with Him. When does that take place for each individual? When they trust in Him and are buried with Him in baptism.

[@elizabethhallett5060]

Christ's baptism wasn't needed as we, as people, think it should've. Even his cousin John was like, "bro no, you baptize me" But I think it was a lead by example moment as well as it was a prophecy fulfilling moment.

[@mbgrocott7115]

@@elizabethhallett5060 The baptism of Christ by John had a purpose as stated in scripture. It was to reveal who He was, to authenticate who He was, before the start of His public ministry. John, who had been paving the way for Jesus’ ministry, was the witness of God’s action of authenticating Jesus as His Son. The purpose of John baptizing in the Jordan had its own purpose; Jesus’ baptism by John in the Jordan had its unique purpose; our baptism as commanded by Christ has its own purpose.

[@elizabethhallett5060]

@@mbgrocott7115 as i said, "I think". that was my opinion, im still learning so i can admit yah im wrong. Jesus being baptized also peaks my interest as well and I would like a sermon or podcast on it, explaining it further.

[@CC-mf9le]

​@@elizabethhallett5060 amen brother. its nice to have that mindset

[@tarlustaylor6492]

Do you guys believe also that a church must sing a cappella no instruments in worship?

[@lindahutchens8612]

tarius taylor I think you know the answer to that question, do you?

[@tarlustaylor6492]

@@lindahutchens8612 yes I know what the Church of Christ believes but I also know what the Bible teaches let everything that hath breath plays the Lord I know what Psalms 150 teaches I know in heaven we will be praising God with instruments there is not one scripture that's against instruments in the New testament Church not one and where the Bible is silent I am silent I would love to debate a Church of Christ Minister on this they don't have a leg to stand on

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@tarlustaylor6492 Are you baptist?

[@TTaylor]

@@tarlustaylor6492 the church of Christ tries to worship as close to the New Testament church as possible. Since the examples we have don’t mention instruments but say they sang songs, that’s what we do. So to answer your original question, no we don’t think you must sing a cappella, but that’s how we do it. Are you a musician, Tarlus? If you are, then you know the difference of listening to music and making music. It’s good for the whole congregation to make music in their hearts rather than 4 or 5 guys to make music while everyone else sits and listens.

[@worldgospelbroadcastingnet3304]

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[@jeffhodge7420]

All things in common. By following Jesus' teaching do not go left or right HOLD to the teaching know the truth and you I'll be et free. Babtisim for forgiveness of sin and repentance. Teaching others to obey a self has.

[@mariaguralnik7616]

🙏❤️👍

[@jeffhodge7420]

They will take a immortal issue to a fellow disciple with a few . Then go again the take it up 🙂 Infront of congregation and then no repentance daily, they will dismember. But there is a Restoration. And discipling one another weekly someone older will raised a new convert up in the tath hold each other accountable to confess our sin to oner another to be healed. Men disciple me and women women. Purity in the body. It is one body with many parts. Disciple is used

[@bcbmatrix]

Having grown up in the churches of Christ, I'm convinced that it's a cult and should avoided.

[@onesimustesfaye3528]

Ohh that is sad but can u tell us any scriptural evidence so that we can study God's word together before u judge it if u find the truth share with us... Let's us learn too.

[@bcbmatrix]

@@onesimustesfaye3528 I'm sorry. There is no scripture that I can recommend to pull someone out of a cult that heavily depends on scripture. You have to look outside of scripture to pull yourselves out of a cult. An excellent book for understanding the birth of the Christianity that pulls together all of the latest advances in history and textural criticism is the book "Who wrote the New Testament" by Burton Mack.

[@onesimustesfaye3528]

@@bcbmatrix so what u are saying is the bible is not the first book that will guide us to the truth but others book which Is written by man 🤔 it is interesting so if we don't depend on God's word then how do we answer life questions? I am sorry u are confusing me.

[@onesimustesfaye3528]

@@bcbmatrix in short u are saying the bible or God's word is not reliable resource but man's. I am sorry if I get u wrong but can u please briefly or restate what u mean. Even if before u say cult why dont u give the bible to answer ir own question. I really love and care about u but truth never changes. Would u mind talking to me in my instagram I really love to talk to u.

[@bcbmatrix]

@@onesimustesfaye3528 I realize this is all confusing. Learning that the Bible is largely a product of man was confusing to me as well. Men, with all of their faults and with zero help from anything supernatural, crafted the Bible we know today. If the Bible were true, then everything we discover in science would be reflected in the Bible. The Bible was largely assumed to be true for many centuries, but now we realize that is not the case and the Bible is not useful for understanding our natural world. If you want to know the answer to life's questions, read "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland."

[@jeffhodge7420]

No one is a member until the studies are done to know their doctrine and the only way to receive the holy spirit is give at baptism . The one who baptizes must house the holy spirit to pass it on only through faith no faith there is no way to pass on the holy spirit. One has to have the holy spirit to pass it on

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

What's the phone number for questions??

[@lindahutchens8612]

PhilaRevolutionaryWarrior PA Hi, it's me Linda; let me encourage you to visit the church of Christ and also have you gotten the number you need from GBN for questions. If not I will try to find it for you; just let me know.

[@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295]

@@lindahutchens8612 Hi Linda. Unfortunately the COC's here in the northeast (Phila-NYC-Balt area) are apostate and not in alignment with the Bible or the COC's in other parts of the country. They embrace OSAS, deny Baptism as part of salvation and are pretty much are just like the other reformed protestant churches around them. Thanks for your help though. Thankfully the Lord has led me to a home Fellowship of New Testament believers that are in line with the Apostles doctrine in the church found in the book of Acts. The road is indeed narrow (Matthew chapter 7). God bless 🙏

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@philarevolutionarywarriorp8295 I am so happy for you that the Lord has led you to a group of believers that follow the Apostle's doctrine. May the Lord bless you all.

[@69judge27]

One thing I can tell you for sure. JESUS would not hang a baphomet star on the wall. 😎🎸

[@69judge27]

Your pop up says follow us. Well GOD says follow no man.😎🎸

[@69judge27]

You also have a pop up with a picture of a church with a cross on it A cross is a. Pagan symbol by which GOD specifically warned against. 😎🎸

[@69judge27]

The theif on the cross was not baptized. 😎🎸

[@me73941]

@@69judge27 I wish you were willing to listen to the discussion and were willing to discuss Scripture. There are plenty of videos on this channel that address the thief on the cross and address it much better than I probably can, but I will try. No one knows if the thief on the cross was baptized or not. The Scriptures simply do not tell us. Also, this was before the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. I would strongly encourage you to diligently study the book of Acts, which documents Christian conversions after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism washes away our sins, for it is how we contact the blood of Jesus, we are buried with Him in baptism and raised with Him as God raised him from the dead.

[@69judge27]

@@me73941 I have the HOLY SPIRIT in me and was not baptized. GOD speaks to me all day everyday. GOD is in all of us. Besides that, the symbolism used here is off the charts. G0D specifically warns of these things. One more issue is that they push going to church. Churches are of the devil. 😎🎸

[@toenailtom654]

Also you touched on[ the church is the body of Jesus] not the Bride The Bible does not ever call the church the Bride

[@kac0404]

READ EPHESIANS 5:22-32 A. These passages clearly teach us about the God-ordained relationship between a husband and a wife - marriage as God wants it to be. It would unreasonable and illegitimate to teach about marriage from the Bible apart from these verses. B. But the last verse we read tells us that the apostle’s main subject here is not marriage as such. But rather he is “speaking about Christ and the church”. C. Christ and His church are as a Husband and Wife. The Church is depicted as the bride of Christ. The absolute qualities that define marriage also define our relationship to Christ as His church. 3 main points: Vs. 23 - Christ is the only Head of the Church Vs. 24 - The Church is to be subject to Christ alone Vs. 25 - Christ loved the church (and gave Himself for her) D. I want to explore more carefully the picture of God’s church as the Bride of Christ. It is a picture of both of what Christ has done for us, and what He continues to do for us. There is also a picture of our responsibility to Christ, as our husband.

[@toenailtom654]

@@kac0404 you quoting Ephesians 5 and it says as a bride or like a bride but it never says that the church is the bride. So this is inference you're inferring to a bride or trying to connect like a marriage but it doesn't State such

[@kac0404]

3 different places refer to the church as a bride of Christ. So just because you don't see the actual words "Bride of Christ" does that mean the church is not the bride?

[@toenailtom654]

@@kac0404 yes That's what I'm saying. The Bible doesn't say it, man says it. Its like. It's similar too, it's referred, it's inferred, but it doesn't say it. Just like the Trinity. Another man made construct.

[@kac0404]

@@toenailtom654 Again, just because you don't see the actual words, "Bride of Christ" doesn't mean the church is not the bride. I see nothing wrong with calling the church, the Bride of Christ. Just like calling the church, the Body of Christ or the church of Christ. As far as the Trinity, that's something the Catholics used to describe the Godhead. The Bible Never uses the word Trinity. It does, however, use the word Godhead.

[@st.christopher1155]

I recently learned that so called “church of Christ” does not believe that the Holy Spirit unites Himself with our spirit at the time of regeneration. In your theological system, that means that even during baptism, the Holy Spirit does not join Himself to you. If that is true, it means you don’t believe in the resurrection of Christ, and as the apostle Paul says, “your faith is worthless and you are still in your sins”. 1st Corinthians 15 ✝️🍞🍷📖

[@dsvet]

HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM Where does the baptism of the Holy Spirit fit into this discussion? Today’s alleged practitioners typically associate the expression “Holy Spirit baptism” with the phenomenon that enables the believer to speak in tongues, “heal” someone, or work other miracles. In other words, Holy Spirit baptism is simply a generic reference to miraculous empowerment. Anyone who can speak in a tongue or perform any other miraculous action is said to have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. He is said to be “Spirit-filled.” However, it might surprise the reader to find that the Bible alludes to Holy Spirit baptism in a very narrow, specialized, even technical sense. Just because a person could speak in tongues or work miracles did not necessarily mean he had been baptized in the Holy Spirit. The very first allusion to Holy Spirit baptism in the New Testament is John’s statement: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but He who is coming after me…will baptize you with the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 3:11). From this statement alone, one might be tempted to assume that Christians in general would be baptized in the Holy Spirit. But this assumption would be a premature conclusion. John was not addressing a Christian audience. He was speaking to Jews. Nothing in the context allows the interpreter to distinguish John’s intended recipients of the promise of Holy Spirit baptism-whether all humans, all Jews, all Christians, or merely some of those in one or more of these categories. Likewise, the exact recipients of the baptism of fire are not specified. However, as is often the case in the Bible, the specific recipients of this promise are clarified in later passages. Just before His ascension, Jesus told the apostles to wait in Jerusalem until “endued with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). In John chapters 14-16, Jesus made several specific promises to the apostles concerning the coming of the Spirit-the “Comforter” or “Helper” (parakletos)-upon them, to empower them to do the peculiar work of an apostle (to recall the words Jesus had spoken to them, to speak and write by inspiration, and to launch the Christian religion). If these verses apply to all Christians, then all Christians ought to have been personally guided “into all the truth” (John 16:13), and thus would have absolutely no need of written Scripture (John 14:26). However, in context, these verses clearly refer to the apostolic office. Jesus further clarified the application of Holy Spirit baptism when He told the apostles that the earlier statement made in Luke 24:49 applied to them, and would come to pass “not many days hence” (Acts 1:4-5). Jesus also stated that the “power” that they would receive would be from the Holy Spirit, which would enable them to witness to the world what they had experienced by being with Jesus (Acts 1:8). Notice very carefully that on this occasion Jesus made an explicit reference to the very statement that John had uttered previously in Matthew 3: “for John truly baptized with water; but you [apostles] shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now” (Acts 1:5). Jesus specifically and explicitly identified the Holy Spirit baptism that He would administer (in keeping with John’s prediction) within a few days, and would be confined to the apostles. All one need do is turn the page to see the promise of Holy Spirit baptism achieve dramatic fulfillment in Acts 2 when the Spirit was poured out only upon the apostles. The antecedent of “they” in Acts 2:4 is “the apostles” in Acts 1:26. The apostles were the ones who spoke in tongues and taught the people. They were the recipients of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as is evident from the following contextual indicators: (1) “are not all these who speak Galileans?” (2:7); (2) “Peter, standing up with the eleven” (2:14); (3) “they…said to Peter and the rest of the apostles” (2:37); (4) Peter quoted Joel 2:28-32 and applied it to that occasion as proof that the apostles were not intoxicated (2:14); and (5) the text even states explicitly that the signs and wonders were “done through the apostles” (2:43). This pattern continues in the book of Acts: “And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people” (5:12); “the Lord, who bare witness unto the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands” (14:3); “what signs and wonders God had wrought…through them” (15:12). The next direct reference to Holy Spirit baptism consisted of Peter describing the experience of the Gentiles in Acts 10. Referring to their empowerment to speak in tongues, Peter explicitly identified it as being comparable to the experience of the apostles in Acts 2. Note his explanation: “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us [apostles] at the beginning. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John indeed baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us [apostles]…” (Acts 11:15-17). Peter unmistakably linked the baptism of the Holy Spirit predicted by John in Matthew 3:11, and applied by Jesus to the apostles in Acts 1:5, with the unique and exclusive bestowal of the same on the first Gentile candidates for salvation. If the baptism of the Holy Spirit had occurred between Acts 2 and Acts 10, why did Peter compare the Gentiles’ experience with the experience of the apostles-rather than comparing it with many other Christians who allegedly would have received it during the intervening years? The answer lies in the fact that the baptism of the Holy Spirit did not occur during the intervening years. Baptism of the Holy Spirit was an unusual and infrequent occurrence that came directly from deity. This understanding harmonizes with additional facts. The great prophecy of the Old Testament, which made special reference to the coming New Testament era as the dispensation of the Spirit, incorporated a most noteworthy expression. God declared, “I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh” (Joel 2:28). Peter repeated it on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:17). What did God mean by the expression “all flesh”? Members of the charismatic community insist that “all flesh” means “all Christians.” They maintain that every Christian can receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. They claim that to narrow the application of the promise of Holy Spirit baptism to a select group of individuals would deprive all other Christians of the opportunity to receive miraculous power. However, upon what biblical basis may such a claim be made? Those who claim the presence of miraculous gifts are guilty of the very thing they condemn-narrowing the expression “all flesh.” Surely no one would take the position that it means all animal flesh-since animals are not the recipients of God’s spiritual provisions. Nor would anyone contend that it means all human flesh-since all wicked, disobedient, unbelieving people would hardly expect, let alone desire, to receive God’s Spirit. Those who agree that the expression “all flesh” must undoubtedly be qualified to exclude the animals and the unbelieving will nonetheless insist that narrowing the meaning to less than “all Christians” is unjustifiable. To understand the proper meaning and application of the expression “all flesh,” one must examine the biblical use of the expression. “All flesh” often is used in the Bible to refer to the bulk of humanity (Genesis 6:12-13). It also can include all animal flesh (Genesis 6:17,19). However, with God’s special utilization of the descendants of Abraham in His scheme of redemption, “all flesh” often has the more technical meaning of “all nationalities.” The primary reason for this specialized use of the expression was due to the fact that most of the Old Testament was written against the backdrop of the presence of the nation of Israel. God is certainly “no respecter of persons” (Romans 2:11; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 3:25; 1 Peter 1:17; Acts 10:34-35). He does not favor one ethnic group over another. However, since His redemptive intention included bringing Jesus into the world for the benefit of all, someone had to be selected through whom Jesus’ arrival might be achieved. That man was Abraham (Galatians 3:8,16) and, consequently, his descendants. As a result of this circumstance, the Jewish writers of the Bible frequently divided humanity into only two racial groupings-Jew and non-Jew (Gentile). For example, in what is obviously a strongly Messianic passage, Isaiah (the “Messianic prophet”) predicted the coming of John the baptizer who would prepare the way for Jesus. He exclaimed: “The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together” (40:5). The reference to “all flesh” was an unmistakable reference to the availability of salvation to both Jew and Gentile in the Christian era, as evinced by Luke’s quotation of the passage (Luke 3:6). The same is true in another prophecy that Isaiah uttered pertaining to the coming Christian era: “All flesh shall come to worship before Me” (Isaiah 66:23). The Jews of Isaiah’s day would not have been very pleased with Isaiah’s declarations, since they most certainly would have understood him to be predicting the incorporation of Gentiles into God’s favor-which the Jews felt they alone enjoyed.

[@dsvet]

....continued Paul cinched the meaning of “all flesh” in his discussion on justification by faith. He drew a clear distinction between the two ethnic categories by first declaring the sins of the Gentiles (Romans 1:18-32) and then declaring the sins of the Jews (Romans 2:1-3:8). Notice carefully his concluding remarks as he brought the first section of the book to its climax: “What then? Are we [the Jews] better than they [the Gentiles]? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin” (Romans 3:9). He then quoted a series of Old Testament verses, which verified his emphasis upon the two (and only two) categories of human flesh, using two significant terms: “none” and “all.” “None” means neither Jew nor Gentile. “All” means both Jew and Gentile. Then he articulated his grand and climactic conclusion: “Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh shall be justified” (Romans 3:20). “No flesh” referred to Jew and Gentile. In other words, neither Jew nor Gentile could be justified by law alone. “No flesh” and “all flesh” were technical allusions to the two categories of human flesh-Jew and non-Jew (John 17:2). Observe, then, that the first recipients of Holy Spirit baptism, as we have seen, were the Jewish apostles on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. It equipped them to establish the Church and to write, speak, and confirm inspired truth. The second recipients of Holy Spirit baptism were the Gentile members of the household of Cornelius in Acts 10. It convinced Jewish Christians that Gentiles were fit prospects for the reception of the Gospel, and valid candidates for entrance into the Kingdom (Acts 10:34-35,45; 11:18). So Joel’s statement, that God would pour out His Spirit on “all flesh,” applied to the outpouring on Jews in Acts 2 and on Gentiles in Acts 10. The only other conceivable occurrence of Holy Spirit baptism would have been Paul, who would have received direct miraculous ability from God as well. His reception was obviously unique because (1) he was not an apostle when the Twelve received the Spirit, and (2) he was “one born out of due time” (1 Corinthians 15:8). Holy Spirit baptism, then, filled two unique and exclusive purposes: (1) to prepare the apostles for their apostolic (not Christian) roles, and (2) to provide divine demonstration that Gentiles were to be allowed to become Christians. One additional consideration deserves comment regarding Joel’s prophecy. If “all flesh” referred exclusively to the Jewish apostles and the first Gentile converts, why did Joel include “sons, daughters, old men, young men, servants, and handmaids” in the reception of God’s Spirit (Joel 2:28-29)? As was typical of Hebrew prophecy, progressive, sequential, and complete fulfillment would be forthcoming. A prophecy could possess several features that found fulfillment in a variety of circumstances. It is apparent, on the basis of the references already discussed (Matthew 3:11; Acts 1:5; 11:15-17), that only the first part of Joel’s prophecy was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost. The “last days” (Acts 2:17) referred to the entire Christian dispensation from Pentecost to the Judgment. The outpouring of the Spirit, therefore, would include more than just the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was confined to the Jewish apostles on Pentecost and the Gentiles a few years later. Though the peculiar phenomenon of Holy Spirit baptism was limited to those two specific ethnic groups (the twelve apostles and the household of Cornelius), additional activity of the Spirit would include the impartation of miraculous gifts through the laying on of the apostles’ hands. This conclusion is evident from the fact that no “daughters” or “handmaids” received Holy Spirit baptism on Pentecost. Nor is there any evidence of the occurrence of “dreams” or “visions” on Pentecost. With the Holy Spirit’s expanded presence in the instigation of Christianity in the first century came the eventual impartation of miraculous ability separate and apart from Holy Spirit baptism. The broadened fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy (subsequent to Acts 2) is seen in the references to Philip’s daughters who prophesied (Acts 21:9) and in the occurrence of visions (Acts 9:10; 10:3,10; 16:9). However, these miraculous manifestations, though included in Joel’s prophecy, were not instances of Holy Spirit baptism. The common link in the Holy Spirit’s outpouring on Pentecost and the manifestations of the Spirit thereafter was the baptism of the Holy Spirit on the apostles-who were the keys to the further distribution of miraculous power in the early years of Christianity. 1 Corinthians 12:13 But what about Paul’s statement to the Corinthians? He wrote: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…and have all been made to drink into one Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Some have insisted that this verse teaches that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is imparted to all Christians. Careful analysis of the verse, however, demonstrates that Paul was not referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit that was received only twice in the New Testament (if you omit Paul). The grammar of the passage proves this to be the case. The word “Spirit” is in the instrumental case in Greek, indicating personal agency. The personal agent in the passage who did the baptizing is the Holy Spirit. His baptizing resulted in the placement of the individuals into the one body of Christ. The verb is aorist, showing that Paul was referring to a once-for-all act in the past. Wuest explained: “It is not the baptism with the Spirit or of the Spirit, in the sense that the Holy Spirit is the element which is applied to us. It is the baptism by the Spirit. This baptism does not bring the Spirit to us in the sense that God places the Spirit upon or in us. Rather, this baptism brings the believer into vital union with Jesus Christ.” The Corinthians were the beneficiaries-not of the Spirit-but of the Spirit’s guidance or assistance. They were baptized by the Spirit (KJV, NKJV, NASV, RSV, NIV). Further grammatical evidence in the context supports this conclusion. Earlier in the chapter, Paul said that no person could say that Jesus is Lord “but by the Holy Spirit” (vs. 3). A person could say Jesus is Lord without being in the Spirit or having the Holy Spirit in or on him. But a person could not say Jesus is Lord if the Holy Spirit had not revealed such information about Jesus-as He did by empowering the apostles to produce spoken and written revelation. A few verses later, Paul pinpointed several gifts that were given “through the Spirit,” “according to the same Spirit,” and “in the same Spirit” (vss. 8-9, ASV). All three phrases are equivalent, and refer to the Holy Spirit’s action, not the state of being in the Holy Spirit. Paul’s summary of the section verifies that this meaning is intended: “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills” (vs. 11). In view of these contextual details, one is forced to conclude that in verse 13, Paul could be referring to no other baptism than the baptism enjoined by Christ in the Great Commission, that is, the “one baptism” of Ephesians 4:5, the baptism which Paul, himself, administered to the Corinthians (Acts 18:8)-water baptism (see the Special Section here). The Holy Spirit was the agent through Whom Christ enjoined water baptism by means of the preached message. When a person complies with the instruction to be baptized in water, that person is baptized into the one body of Christ. Other verses in the New Testament confirm this understanding. Jesus announced: “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). Jesus meant what Paul meant: When one obeys the teaching of the Spirit to be baptized in water, he is granted entrance into the Kingdom. Paul reiterated this same teaching on two other occasions. To the Ephesian church, he pointed out that Jesus gave His life for the Church “that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word” (Ephesians 5:26). He meant that an individual is permitted to be a part of Christ’s cleansed Church when he submits to water baptism in accordance with the Holy Spirit’s inspired Word. Likewise, Paul told young Titus that Jesus “saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5). Again, he meant that one is saved (and hence added to the body) at the point of water immersion, in which spiritual renewal is extended by the Holy Spirit. We are forced to conclude that 1 Corinthians 12:13 does not refer to Holy Spirit baptism. The two instances of Holy Spirit baptism previously discussed (in Acts 2 and 10) stand unmistakably in stark contrast with the baptism alluded to by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:13. The Corinthian baptism placed the Corinthians into the body of Christ, at their conversion. But when the apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, they were already saved. When the household of Cornelius was baptized in the Holy Spirit, they were not yet saved and were inducted into the body of Christ only after Peter called for “water” (Acts 10:47-48). 1 Corinthians 13:4

[@st.christopher1155]

The Father of lies is the only one who has “forced you to conclude” all those nonsensical things. Jesus Christ died for you to take away your sins and then God raised you from the dead in Christ so that in His incredible grace and loving kindness He could join Himself to you by His Spirit. This teaching is replete throughout the New Testament. So stop listening to the lies of the enemy and start believing that God, who is a good Father, is more than willing to give you the Holy Spirit if you simply and humbly ask Him. “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” ✝️🙏🏼📖

[@dsvet]

@@st.christopher1155 Romans 8 No Condemnation (8:1) The first verse of Romans 8 is the declaration of hope and rejoicing that is unfortunately broken by the chapter break. In chapter 7 Paul has described the Christian conflict. We delight in the law of God and desire to serve God. But at the same time the members of our body is waging war with that knowledge. The flesh with its passions and lusts are tempting us to obey it. In chapter 6 we learned that we have been set free from sin’s slavery. But this does not mean that there is not a continuing battle for the Christian. Even when I want to do what is right and do what is right, evil lies close at hand (7:21). But there is hope for the Christian. Paul says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Even though we must fight against sin and even though we may slip and fall, there is no condemnation. Who is not condemned? Who are the people who are not condemned even though our flesh serves sin at times? This is important, for Paul says that there is not condemnation “for those who are in Christ Jesus.” Only those who are in Jesus are those who have no condemnation. Paul has instructed earlier about who are the people who “are in Christ.” In Romans 6:3 Paul taught that we are baptized into Christ and that through baptism we are united with Jesus (6:5). But Paul is certainly not teaching that those who have been dunked in water, no matter what they believe or do, have no condemnation. The baptism is symbolizing our death to sin, that we are not practicing sin and sin is not the ruler over our lives (6:7,11,13). It is not just that we were baptized. Rather, it is that our baptism had meaning. Baptism was the point when we started living for Jesus and stopped living for sin. Those who are in Christ Jesus are not those who are being ruled by sin and have given their allegiance to sin. Those who are in Christ Jesus are those who are fighting sin and striving to serve Jesus. To those who have their allegiance to Jesus, there is no condemnation. Paul is going to clarify this even further in this chapter, as we will see later in this lesson. When are we not condemned? Now. Right now we stand before God justified, not condemned. The focus of God’s wrath is not upon us. God as the judge does not condemn us. In Christ, life replaces the condemnation and death that rests upon every person right now. We are sinful and deserve condemnation. We have separated ourselves from God by our sinning. In Christ, life has replaced that condemnation. God has fulfilled his covenant promises, offering life rather than condemnation. How is this possible? How can God do this great act of mercy for us? New Covenant (8:2) In verse 2 Paul gives the first reason why there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Paul says that there is no condemnation because the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death. What is “the law of the Spirit of life?” Paul has taught us this earlier in Romans 7. In Romans 7:6 Paul taught that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. We noted in that lesson that the “written code” or “the letter” is used by Paul as a reference to the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments. The contrast, therefore, is the new covenant. The law of Christ, the new covenant, was promised by the Holy Spirit in which those who are in the covenant will obey God from the heart. God’s people will have the heart of obedience under the new covenant. Paul is revealing that we are set free from the Law of Moses which condemned us to sin because we are now under the new covenant, the Law of Christ. There is much debate about what “the law of sin and death” is. Chapter 7 taught us that the Law of Moses was holy and good. But sin used the Law of Moses to kill us. Paul merges the problem of sin with the Law of Moses. The Law was not the problem. But we are condemned under the Law because no one has obeyed it completely and perfectly. When Paul writes that he “serves the law of sin” he is not saying that he is condemned that he serves the Law of Moses. Paul is condemned because he did not obey the Law of Moses. The Law condemns us and through the Law we become enslaved to sin. This is why Paul can speak of the Law of Moses as the law of sin and death. The effect of the Law of Moses was the sin and death of every person. The Law of Moses condemned the Jews and shut out the Gentiles. This is why Paul can use the Law of Moses as a universal problem. The Law of Moses condemned every person that was under the Law, that is, Israel. But the Law also excluded the Gentiles from the hope of salvation. Sin and death were not the purposes of the Law, but it was the result of the Law. However, in Christ and through his law of life, we have been set free. The Law of Moses did not offer justification. Christ and his covenant does offer justification. God Has Acted (8:3) Not only this, God has done what the Law of Moses could not do. The Law of Moses was insufficient for righteousness because of our sinfulness. The Law was weakened by our failures and sins. The Law cannot justify sinners. What did God do? God sent Jesus. God sent his own Son to come in the flesh to deal with our sins. Jesus came for sins. Jesus came to deal with the problem of sin (NRSV). The HCSB, NASB, NIV, and TNIV add the word “offering” to sin. Thus, these translations read that Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. There are many times in the Old and New Testament where the writer speaks of sin and he is referring to a sin offering. Hebrews 10:8 is one of many instances. In fact, in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures) 44 of the 54 occurrences of the phrase “for sin” refers to a sin sacrifice. It seems like that this is also the case here in Romans 8:3. Jesus came with a new law and as a sin sacrifice to set us free. Paul has done a magnificent job showing that all of us have the problem of sin in our lives. Even as followers of Jesus, the problem of sin continues. But there is no condemnation now in Jesus because Jesus has set us free through a new law and has given himself as an offering for sins. I think the NLT translates this passage accurately and clearly: He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. (8:3; NLT) Noticing the end of verse 3, God condemned sin in the body of Jesus, that is, in the sacrifice of Jesus. Please notice that God did not condemn Jesus. The text does not say that the wrathful God was condemning his Son. God condemned or gave judgment against sin by sending his own Son. The payment for sins was made in Jesus. Jesus paid the price for our sins. Jesus’ offering was the redemption price that sets us free from sins. The NIV makes a huge mistake here in its translation, if you are using it. The NIV reads, “And so he condemned sin in sinful man….” Paul is not saying that God sent his Son in a body like ours to condemn sins in us. He did not need to send his own Son to do that. The NIV makes a terrible blunder here and reveals the consequences of being a dynamic translation. Paul is saying that God sent his Son in a body like ours to condemn sins in the body of Jesus by being an offering for sins. Sin was judged through the body of Jesus, not us. What Jesus did in the flesh is what condemned all sin.

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@@st.christopher1155 Continued.... The Righteous Requirement of the Law (8:4) Verse 4 is somewhat complicated. God sent his Son so that sin could be dealt with in the body of Jesus “in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us.” The difficulty is that “the righteous requirement of the Law” must refer to something good and positive because it is fulfilled in us who walk according to the Spirit. I believe Paul is saying that Jesus fulfilled the Law and paid the price for our sins in the offering of his body so that we would do what is right. Jesus did not die so that we would go into sinful living. Jesus died so that we would be justified and thus live for what is right. I believe Paul’s point here in Romans 8:4 is the same as Galatians 5:13-14. For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Galatians 5:13-14; ESV) What is the righteous requirement of the Law of Moses? Love the Lord your God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. Paul is saying that Jesus offered himself up for our sins so that we would live righteous lives, not sinful lives. Paul is tying back in the message of Romans 6. We cannot sin thinking that in doing so grace is abounding. We cannot sin because we are not under the Law of Moses but under grace. We have been set free to serve God and one another, not to serve sin. How Are You Walking? (8:5-8) Notice that this point is where Paul goes in his letter. He wants us to consider how we are living our lives and who we are serving. Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh. What does this mean? Paul is speaking about those whose lives are directed by the rule and values of sin. When we put our minds on the things of this world and world of sin, then we are walking according to the flesh. Paul wants to know what our interests are. Paul wants to know what our ambitions are. What are the things that we think about and hold as important in life? What is our mind set on? What are we preoccupied with? What do we value? Jesus spoke of having our minds on the things of the flesh when we have a worldly perspective. When Peter denies that Jesus is going to deny, Jesus replied, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man” (Matthew 16:23). Selfish thinking is having our minds set on the things of the flesh. The mind set on the flesh is all about me. Even religious people who seem to be followers of Jesus can have their minds set on the flesh. Seeking after the things of the world rather than the things of God reveals the problem. When we are more concerned about ourselves than the lost, we have minds set on the flesh. When we try to justify our sins rather than being heartbroken and repentant of our sins, we have our minds set on the flesh. Paul offers a grave warning. To set the mind on the flesh is death (8:6). When sin controls our lives, we are separated from God. When we are thinking about ourselves and seeking after the things of the world rather than thinking about God and seeking after him, there IS condemnation. We have made ourselves enemies of God (8:7). Paul drives the point further in verse 8 by telling us that we cannot please God. Why can’t we please God? Go back to verse 7: because we do not submit to God’s law. We are choosing ourselves over God. We cannot please God when we are living with our allegiance to another master. When sin is exercising dominion over our lives, then we will not obey and love God. We may think we can, but we are deceiving ourselves. When the flesh is in charge of our lives, we cannot please God, we are hostile to God, and we are separated from God. This is why this point is so important. Yes, all of us are fighting against sin. But those only those who are fighting by seeking after God before self are those who now have no condemnation. If we are not seeking after God in all we do and making the determination to serve him, then we are living according to the flesh. It should be pretty obvious what it means to “live according to the Spirit.” There is nothing mystical or supernatural about this act. It is the opposite of living according to the flesh. We place our life focus on God and his commands. God is in charge of our lives. He is the master, not sin and not self. We are following his covenant. We are submitting to God’s law, not perfectly, but submission to God is the rule of our lives. When our allegiance is to Jesus is to receive from God life and peace (8:6). Living according to the flesh is separation from God. Living according to the Spirit means we are joined to God and we have peace with God. We are reconciled and God’s wrath is not against us. We are able to have a relationship with God because Jesus has brought peace to the relationship. We are in Christ not in Adam, to bring in the thoughts of Romans 5. Paul is teaching that we need to change the way that we think about living and how we think about the world.

[@toenailtom654]

I am of the Apostolic Pentecostal persuasion amd we teach that our roots are Found on the day of Pentecost. All the Apostles were Pentecostals

[@kac0404]

The Apostles were not Pentecostals. Pentecost is a day, not a church.

[@billeysanders9318]

The thief on the cross wooden water baptized

[@kac0404]

??????????????

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@kac0404 I think this guy Billey Sanders meant to say the thief on the cross wasn't (not wooden) water baptize; lol.

[@jeffhodge7420]

As members we are the body and the chest is the head. The wife is the body and a bridesgoom.

[@larryfunk3279]

What if Satan called himself Jesus? Would he be Jesus, or is he still Satan? A name is a name, and nothing else. If you do not follow Paul's gospel, then you are not following the gospel that Jesus Christ gave to the Gentiles. Pentecost is the church of the Jews that was started by Jesus Christ before Pentecost and it already had 120 members before Pentecost.

[@kac0404]

WRONG! There is everything in the name. If you sent me to the store to buy food to eat and I come back with rat poison, then you need to eat it because there is nothing in a name, right?

[@kac0404]

Paul doesn't have a gospel. The gospel belongs to Christ, not Paul.

[@kac0404]

Hey Don Behel, is this another one only your aliases? You're Larry now? What about Zebedee, Jedediah or all the other weird names you use?

[@kac0404]

Pentecost is a day, NOT THE CHURCH!!!!

[@lindahutchens8612]

@@kac0404 Let me give a big "Amen" to Paul doesn't have a gospel; the gospel belongs to Christ, not Paul."

[@larryfunk3279]

Paul started our church, and is the first member of the body of Christ. Pentecost is for the Jews only. We are Gentiles saved by grace. The Jews were under, and were always under the Law of Moses.

[@onesimustesfaye7764]

no, they are not go read Gal 3:28 there is no jew nor gentile we all are one in Christ.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Mark 10:19. All must keep the Commandments to inherit eternal life.

[@jgard6280]

Paul was commanded to be baptized to have his sins washed away, too (Acts 22:16). ❤ He believed in Jesus and prayed for three days while waiting to be told what he "MUST" do...he was told he must arise and be baptized to wash away his sins. He obeyed. Just like we must obey this command.

[@kac0404]

PAUL DID NOT START THE CHURCH!!! JESUS PROMISED THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH: "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18) Acts 2 gives the history of the establishment of the New Testament church. The year that the church was established was 33 AD It is our prayer that you are a member of this same blood bought church! JESUS ESTABLISHED THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH IN JERUSALEM: The apostles were sent to Jerusalem to wait for power. (Acts 1:4-8) The power came with the coming of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:1-4) The gospel was first preached in Jerusalem. Three thousand people became Christians that day. The Lord added them to His church. (Acts 2:38-47) It is our prayer that you are a member of this same blood bought church!

[@nickynolfi833]

Your church is a denomination. Jesus founded the Catholic Church . In Matthew 16 Jesus builds his church on Peter and his profession of faith

[@davewhitscott]

Does he? Do a little research into the location where Jesus said this.

[@nickynolfi833]

@@davewhitscott I understand that. Look into Isaiah 22:20 and see what Jesus is paraphrasing

[@davewhitscott]

@@nickynolfi833 help me out….what is he paraphrasing?

[@nickynolfi833]

@@davewhitscott how the king is removing the prime minister and giving his authority to another. This comes with the authority to bind and loose, the keys, and being a rock/ peg in the ground.

[@rockpoppets6182]

The Bible is full of errors so if this is your guide could it be that you are mistaken?