Why I love Armored Core, and explaining the Generation Hate Loop (AC6 Will Be Armored Core)

[@blackhawksp4453]

Now that you mention halfassing, From literally relased the announcement trailer on the international crow and raven aappreciation day, if they are meticulous enough for that, then I don't see too much room for doubts about AC6's overall desing and gameplay.

[@CoffeePotato]

Wait, what? Is that legit?

[@CoffeePotato]

Oh my goodness that's legit, I love that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rileyusher8786]

But then didn't release any more details on the anniversary of the first game lol. Oh From how you do things to me!

[@NineNovem]

After playing these games for so long, the one thing I know for sure is that it's changed a LOT. Hell, I can only think of a handful of things that are even consistent with the series: 1. The world is depressing and everything has been, or will be destroyed. 2. Good weight and energy management will be your best friend. 3. The game WILL kick your teeth down your throat, but it will have features that'll ease the pain in some way. 4. Customization is literally half the game. Everything else will change depending on what you're playing, and that's what makes each entry special.

[@CoffeePotato]

100% on all of that. Also there's always a meme AC. The guy that can't aim in Silent Line, the Wooden ACs from first gen, Eight Ball, Cross back, yada yada. Always loved them wooden ACs.

[@NineNovem]

One of my favorite meme ACs was Count One from AC2. I actually felt a little bad taking his 11th spot from him. But hey, 12th has a one in it, right? It's fine! Totally wouldn't be heartbroken or anything...

[@CoffeePotato]

@@NineNovem YESSSS, that guy was such a good meme build! You also had Yellow Boat in 3 that apparently knelt just to be like a boat on the waves.

[@NineNovem]

@@CoffeePotato Then there's evil meme pilots like Bolt. I knew he had OP-INTENSIFY the instant I saw that LX cannon, and I still got annihilated. Too bad for him, I've got modern technology (OP-INTENSIFY cheats *cough*) on my side!

[@CptJistuce]

​@@CoffeePotatoAnd the guy who just really just likes the sound of machine guns, and will empty his ammo by firing wildly.

[@armoredcorelore]

And now i know when Coffee potato became a raven =) I think this is just an issue all series have. Its something new and either old and new fans will play it and go you know what its not what I'm used to or expected, but i can have fun. Or they will play it, see its not for them and go back to the other games.

[@CoffeePotato]

Yeah, development must be a hell of a job. No matter what you do: Riots.

[@CoffeePotato]

You should do a lore video of the random ways people interpreted these games based off of stories folks share all the time. I'd watch the hell out of that 🤣 Accounts going forward may differ...and it's at This time the Raven either learned how to tune their AC for cooling, or accepted a different offer, selling their PS2 for a pittance, and accepting that their fate lied in becoming a professional Smash competitor.

[@rreckinreturns]

Lol I swear we watch all the same videos ACL.

[@SuperMoogyD]

I never had that whole "Generation Hate Loop" thing like a lot of people. I think growing up with all three Mario Bros. games on the NES and them all being so different from each other kinda cemented a "A sequel doesn't have to follow TOO closely to the original" sort of mentality in me and being different never meant bad to me, personally. It takes a lot for me to say a game is bad compared to a lot of people. From Armored Core to the Mechwarrior games on PC I just always really liked customizable giant death machines, so as long as AC provides that, I think imma be a happy little boy.

[@CoffeePotato]

Amen, I heard how much you could detail the AC, how much combos were going to play, and that finances were a mechanic, I heard what I needed to know they were on track.

[@Vespyr_]

Well said.

[@CptJistuce]

All three SUPER Mario games. I remember the Mario Brothers before they were super. Speaking of wildly different sequels...

[@SuperMoogyD]

@@CptJistuce Well, I never actually owned the original Mario Bros. game, my uncle did, but that counts too since I played that in my little whippersnapper years too. The NES was kinda long in the tooth by that point and the SNES had been out for a few years by that point, but that didn't bother me either.

[@CptJistuce]

@@SuperMoogyD The weird thing about that one is playing it on non-Nintendo systems. I know it predates Nintendo having their own home hardware, but it still feels weird today(moreso than Donkey Kong due almost entirely to being named Mario Brothers).

[@WarBirdGhost]

I was almost nearly crying, when this got announced. I was really getting sick and tired of those medieval games and those moba shooters like cod, bf, fortnight and those kinds of copy-paste games.

[@C4six-two-one]

same!

[@Weedwof]

@randomvideoboy1Respect is something that’s earned, not entitled to by popularity. Based GrandpaGamers FTW.

[@retroicdescent]

​@@Weedwof😆

[@amyyost7022]

@@WeedwofNobody’s saying you have to like those games, but calling them mobas just kind of proves the point that y’all have no clue what you’re upset about, and that it’s just a knee jerk reaction to anything new

[@MuttonChopsMan]

Bro, I played 3rd gen for YEARS and (till just now) never knew there was a first person mode 🤯

[@CoffeePotato]

Yup, only happened three times. Once in the settings for the PS2 version of Silent Line, twice for both versions of Last Raven with a Select+Start from the pause menu after beating the Final Pulverizer, and as a code in Master of Arena.

[@lesslighter]

@@CoffeePotato your just encouraging me to get through the levianthan route in LR Port as thats the only route thats left for me to complete and find the missing mission paths

[@rpamungkas13]

tldr: Human will always hate something that is outside their comfort zone.

[@CoffeePotato]

Fun note: people thought Jazz was satanic 🤣👍

[@rpamungkas13]

@@CoffeePotato people thought that the earth was flat. . . . wait... we still.. fak.

[@digitalermitanyo8937]

@@CoffeePotatoyes, it is 😂! Playing Those notes summons the evil inside you 😂

[@SethonanGaming]

People bitching about the "lack of advertisement" for AC6 really had to live back then. "Lack of advertisement" how about not only complete lack of advertisement, but it was like every reviewer had it in him to bash on AC because it was from an unknown company and imported through one of the smallest publishers around wich specialized in mostly JRPGs of the cartoony style.

[@CoffeePotato]

To be fair, though, their strategy this time has been pretty funny, even if that's probably because someone told them to wait to show stuff to avoid scaring away the bulk of their biggest fan base with Numbers.

[@Vespyr_]

I honestly have a feeling even after all the whinging once people feel how awesome dodging around each other and using different builds and group pvp matches, and all the quality of life additions in AC6 it's going to be hard to go back to the older games.

[@CoffeePotato]

Was that way with Tactics Ogre too. So much bitching over tiny things, and yet it's gameplay is so good that most stuck around for the long haul, appreciating the new combos and flow for the great decisions they were.

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

Then comes AC7 and it begins anew.

[@Galanthos]

I started in 3rd gen Well, technically, I started by renting AC2 from a Hollywood Video, not having the instruction manual, starting the game with no clue what to do and getting killed in tbe intro mission, and being disappointed with my weekend rental choice. For some reason though (the reason being I fricken love robots), despite that bad experience, I asked for AC3 for Christmas, and got it. And I loved AC3. I played it to death, beat every mission, unlocked every part, and I think grinded out enough cash to buy every part in the shop to have an easier time customizing builds. I would later get the previous AC games used, mostly for dirt cheap. Loved AC2, thought Another Age was too hard. Couldn't get past the blocky graphics of AC1, and only played around a little in MOA. When Silent Line came out I bought it new, I think. I didn't hate it, but I wasnt able to finish it. Some of those late missions kicked my butt and I had gotten a little too used to relying on Op-Intensify from AC3. Bought Nexus new. Was super excited for it, and was not disappointed. I think it's probably my favorite of the series. Excellent campaign, great story, and so much extra content on the bonus disk: remakes of gen 1 missions that made me appreciate how cool those games were. I think I got Ninebreaker and Last Raven used, but I didn't play them right away. But 4 is where I had my "Young Adult Dumbass" moment with the series. I didn't have a PS3 or 360 when it launched, so I didnt get to evaluate it for myself. I heard about it from my friend. The controls were dual-analog and you couldn't go back to the "superior" classic controls. You didn't have to kneel for shoulder cannons anynore. You can fly all the time. You dont even really customize your AC! You pick out of a number of standard designs instead (this last bit was just wrong, but I didnt know any better.) I decided AC4 sucked, and derided AC4 and AC4A fans for a while. I eventually bought the games because people liked them, and maybe they'd be fun even if they weren't "real" armored core games. I still pretty much just let them sit, not playing them. ACV had its multiplayer focus, and while it looked cool, I dont really dig online games. "I guess they don't really care about the old fans." I thought to myself while my friends were telling me about their awesome online matches. I really regret this one, vecause while I did eventually buy ACV on the cheap, and did go back and play (and love!) AC4 and AC4A, I know I've missed a big part of ACV that I can't get back. Didn't bother buying Verdict Day until literally the day after the AC6 announcement trailer. Hit up eBay and saw the game going for upwards of $100, and instead figured out how to get money onto my PSN account in order to buy VD on the PS3 store. I had planned to finish up V and VD before AC6 came out, but I still have some order missions in V to play. I also picked up Daemon X Machina, which scratched my AC itch a little, even if I did get into it after most of the community was gone. Every AC game has been excellent though. It is really the best mecha action series there is. I have full faith in AC6 and will probably be playing on launch as long as it runs on my PC.

[@CoffeePotato]

It's such a wild ride, I feel like we need to get Armored Core Lore to compile a history of like 50 random stories like this, and make a lore videos going over the whens how's and maybes of these different routes through the series 🤣

[@Vespyr_]

Yeah I regret not being able to play ACV during it's online prime. It reminded me of Chrome hounds which had this epic online strategy component but people just never bought into it. From Software was too forward thinking.

[@CptJistuce]

I will say... I came in with AC3. And I never felt that AC4 was BAD, but I did feel it was different enough that it probably should've had a different title. And honestly, it's still the odd duck in the series, and I still wish it had a different name. But that ship has sailed, and we now have two different Armored Core fandoms as a result. The ones that came in with 4 have much different expectations than the ones who came in with... well any other gen. Making a single game that pleases both lynxes and ravens is a VERY tall order.

[@jimcopeland4011]

I suck at Nexus but I still love it and I don't care if everyone hates it

[@CoffeePotato]

Don't know about everyone, it's a fun romp

[@lastEvergreen]

I’d like to experience the box targeting system just because it’s something different and interesting.

[@metalcoreblastr2010]

It is quite the experience, I can assure you! 😂

[@lucky13sj]

I mean if you can find a copy of four or four answer you get a similar idea you just don't get the visual on screen representation. People like this creator keep misconstruing the locking system which is exactly what he's showing up here in for with some kind of hard lock system it wasn't. In four you had a soft lock that was your targeting system. As long as they were within a certain range on your screen depending on your parts you would target them with your guns just like you're seeing in these older games. The only difference is it wasn't a physical box that you had to keep them in

[@huealter3366]

​​@@lucky13sjhere was a "hardlock" in ac4 though... You can switch it on and of in the settings. So you saying they "misconstructed" the video that demonstate it or something?

[@lesslighter]

If you want the box targeting system get a PSP or PSVita play the portable games if you are not going to be "assed" to find a PS2

[@lucky13sj]

@@huealter3366 no there was not. There was a auto targeting system that if they were on your screen it would aim your guns at them. It would lock your guns onto them and it would shoot in their direction. But the moment that they moved to the edges of your screen depending on how your system was set up depending on how close to the edge of your screen they had to be it would break that lock. The moment they were off the screen you had to turn your entire AC to face them so it would reengage the auto targeting system. But it did not auto lock onto them it did not hard lock onto them where it would turn the AC for you. And if someone was close enough they could dash around behind you and you would never get another lock on on them if they were good at it. There was no hard lock in for or for answers I know I spent more time on those games than I did any of the other ones

[@lanceupperrcut]

I started in 1st gen (barely played it tho b/c I was young & dumb, didn't get the game) and really became a huge fan during AC2 when I was in college (yes I'm old lol) and I am so stoked for this new game!!

[@EkhazarV]

With all the changes over the series, they all still felt like Armored Core to me. The essence of AC in my eyes is the feeling the game gives you constantly throughout the story of being a new AC pilot and all the radio drama that comes with it and then becoming a legendary raven at the end and the renown that comes with it. The games do such a great job of making you feel as epic as the game portrays you to be throughout your journey. Along side its campaign, this is something that AC5 and VD do especially well for the series, with its multiplayer and how it was integrated into the game and I hope it is something that is retained with 6. Corporations, mech customization and the feeling of becoming the best pilot are what I think are some of the most integral parts to Armored Core.

[@CoffeePotato]

Not always true, though. By the end of Nexus, you become a nameless corpse, or a nameless survivor that jumped off the roof. I love the ones where you're just a nobody doing their job.

[@EkhazarV]

@@CoffeePotato It's been a long time since I've played those, but if I were to go off the memory of how I felt so long ago, then at least I remember feeling like an an exceptionally elite Raven on the way to my meaningless demise LOL

[@linkkicksu]

Gen 5 got really done bad by the gen 4 purists Even to this day it seems the majority of the playerbase genuinely think gen 5 is the slowest in the series.

[@CoffeePotato]

...and then they wonder how despite this, they couldn't keep up in multiplayer 🤣

[@johnaaaa3239]

One day some newcommers might not remember this topic, its as similar to sekiro, ACV and AC4 FA if souls-like are gonna have the same fate.... then it might rival final fantasies curse of change.... ironicaly fromsoft tried to face off against FF by there old game Eternal Ring, which back of its case says "who said fantasy had to be final?"

[@lesslighter]

not to mention when MGS1 came about FromSoft made Shadow Tower 1

[@hello-gx6oi]

Ahh yes that eternal ring tagline Hahaha

[@lesslighter]

@@hello-gx6oi blame it on agetec IIRC they were the ones who made that tag line

[@CptJistuce]

They took a few swings at the JRPG. Enchanted Arms even has the president of the United States in it!

[@CoffeePotato]

Yeah...not one of their better call outs, but still a dang neat game.

[@justsomejojo]

"They don't make Soul-less games" Ha. I know that wasn't intentional, but given that Fromsoft does take elements from their other IPs (among others, Dark Souls), I think that's a funny way to put it. In any case, as an outsider looking in, I *kinda* get it? Elden Ring was in many ways very similar to DS3 (to the point that I've seen it cynically called Elden Souls or even DS3 DLC) and I think maybe some folks saw that and are now thinking on the slippery slope line of "maybe all their IPs are now gonna go that route". That was my immediate interpretation when I saw reactions to one of the trailers (the one VaatiVidya and a few others made a big argument out of) I see your point though. I'm no AC player (I'm *very* bad at fast-paced aiming so it never seemed like something I'd enjoy despite the customization) but I did see a lot of this generational hate loop playing Pokemon over the years (where after a few years, you can see a previously hated gen suddenly get lots of defenders, it's always funny). Premature judgment is never particularly helpful, but especially not in videogames, where watching and actually playing are VASTLY different experiences.

[@CoffeePotato]

I would say they're doing this neat thing some remakes have done lately where they're taking the feeling of playing an original game well, and making that the baseline to play off of. Like we all learned how to hold a lock and pay attention, but if that's everyone now, we can all learn new tricks. We often learned the same stuff in the original case in point, look at any two third gen players trying to have a Rocket Duel. They will hit each other at the same dang time over and over without even thinking about it. It's the weirdest thing.

[@lesslighter]

personally at some level the only thing FromSoft has been half assing is whether or not Blade Tracking should exist in the game the internal teams must have been debating when they went to Gen 3-3.5 and early 4 since its brought back in ACfA only for it to return in AC6... or so I THINK

[@echoq7594]

The thing that pisses me off the most about the hard lock discource is that people fundamentaly misunderstand WHY people that don't like it even dislike it.. it's got nothing to do with the hardlock being a "SOULS" feature or "Okay 4th gen had it but I hate 4th gen anyway". It's just a completely different game, fundamentaly, when it has that system AND THAT IS OKAY. The whole discussion has gone in so many different directions it's just annoying to even look at it anymore and I think you're completely overplaying the attitude shift between the oldgen games, it is nothing like what happened with 4th gen or 5th gen and what's going on now with 6th gen. NEXUS maybe, but give me a break. The whole thing is tiring and I just want to play the new game anyway, so I'm sorry that I won't be finishing yet an other video on it. Keep it up.

[@CoffeePotato]

They've all been different, that's the fun part.

[@echoq7594]

@@CoffeePotato I think you'd really have to strech the definition of "Different" if you're talking about the oldgen games cause the core gameplay is the same. Though 4 and 5 definately have been departures, with their good and bad additions or lack thereof. AC6 will be no different as in, it'll have it's own quirks, hopefully it's more fun than it is not and I think FROMSOFT haven't given anyone any reason to doupt them yet.

[@sephiryan0028]

I feel the same about it but @CoffePotato just want to create more discord than Trying to appease the community

[@jesmarkmikesell1957]

idc if AC6 is different from the others, I'm just grateful that this franchise is still cared for, it's been 10 years for goodness sakes!

[@haiperbus]

I can only imagine a simmilar schism happened with AC4's change to the NEXT's with the super fast speed and crazy flight, that seems like a more impactfull change than the hardlock. Though I wasn't in the community at the time and the internet didn't have as many robust places to argue about it yet.

[@femimark5021]

Hard lock is the removal of aiming. Also AC4 was more akin to aim assist and broke very easily so you still had to keep them on screen. I think that's the biggest change so far if it's real.

[@Sorain1]

Going from 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 had significant breaks because they were significantly different, so it will be this time. "It is the nature of time that the old ways must give in, it is the nature of time that the new way comes in sin." - Sabaton

[@CoffeePotato]

Can confirm asses were in fact blistered and chafed with rage around that time.

[@SethonanGaming]

No one complained about the speed, we complained about how EASY it was to have a permaflight AC and that it made overboosting redundant and it basically killed the thread legs as a viable choice.

[@CoffeePotato]

I saw folks rocking treads all the time, and had a ton of fun with a tank version of Sweet Tooth. It wasn't inviable at all.

[@Richard_Cranium]

I've grew up with Armored Core. That old AC 1 Playstation demo disc was what got me addicted to AC games. 3rd gen and 4th gen were my favorite and 6 looks awesome. Just ignore all the haters and naysayers.😂 P.s. I remembered back in the 90s and early 2000s. People seemed to believe that every next game in a franchise had to always have something that the previous game did not. It was all a part of marketing games as being innovative and new. i.e. think about the difference between halo 1 and halo 2.

[@sf3testvids]

Yea can attest to this, fans around 1-3rd gen circa 2003-2005 were worrying the game was getting too formulaic as elements were repeating and that the game needed to change....

[@clankymocha]

Funny, i see this happen with fromsoft's other series all the time too, people HATED bloodborne when it came out, but then it became regarded as a masterpiece when ds3 came out because people just really hated that one, then elden ring came out and now ds3 is the underrated masterpiece The cycle continues

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Ds3 fans despise Elden Ring still so still correct

[@clankymocha]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 I'm not saying this changed yet, I doubt people will stop hating on ER before a new game comes out lmao

[@nicholasgraham8703]

So now we just need to wait for AC7 for people to appreciate AC6.

[@CrowsofAcheron]

IIRC, the people who hated Bloodborne didn't hate it because of its mechanics but because of the PS4 exclusivity. They actually wanted to play the game, but on PC, and many still do.

[@scrollkeeper5272]

​@MILDMONSTER1234 I don't. I'm actually really eager to play ER when I finally can afford it and a ps5.

[@ehko9989]

One thing is for sure : why would anyone want to go back to bunnyhoping ? It looks ridiculous, plays bad and how am I supposed to feel like a badass mech pilot when I'm jumping around like a retard every 0.5 sec.

[@CoffeePotato]

It's more akin to a bursting rhythm, it feels good. Odd example, but something like Subterrania comes to mind.

[@gamedominatorxennongdm7956]

I can see that, I could just imagine how in universe onlooking bystanders see them do that and think "what the are they doing?".

[@pvrhye]

I am hoping is a return to form with Armored Core. I loved the PS1 and PS2 era armored core games. PS3 era unfortunately changed from a slower and more ponderous game to an arcadey game I couldn't enjoy. (I also started on the Demo disk.)

[@CoffeePotato]

There was still a ton of strategy to the PS3 era, for way it's worth. 4th was a bit looser, but 5th got hyper technical with things like cutting off your boosters to improve your quick turn, combine that with hitting a wall for a side jump into a spinning Pile Bunker from the side because they made the mistake of following you into a cave. While it was really insanely hard to fight vs optimized UNAC squads, the multiplayer of the 5th was super deep on execution, to the point of being pretty overwhelming at times. Fun to break down mechanically, though.

[@pvrhye]

@@CoffeePotato I supposed I liked the accounting in earlier installments. Like, I know I will prevail, so it's a matter of how risky I want to be to come out with the maximal profit in the end. Do I go in with the blade (which is free), or do I shoot a 300 dollar missile?

[@seth2402]

I just started playing the series and after clearing all the ps1 games it took some adjusting just to get used to the slower pace of armored core 2

[@CoffeePotato]

Every AC's new speed feels slower until it's faster.

[@lesslighter]

ACV does have mission based hidden parts its the ACV tuning I didnt like which I was glad was changed in VD to be much more... "standard", anyway Verdict Day also has hidden parts so it didnt disappear entirely but it stops being a thing when you get to chapter 6 basically more than half way point in the game. Just for reference since its no longer a thing Tuning in ACV is essentially making an "NFT weapon" you say you want this X stat to be emphasize out of Fire Rate, Power and "balanced" tuning. The server then will decide on a "seed" for your weapon part as most arm weapons are only tunable which then you need to grind to max out the tuning bar only then is the tuning considered "complete" HOWEVER this is where the "NFT thing" comes into play the entire thing is based on RNG to a certain extent. So what the game designers intended you to do was to essentially buy weapons tune them and then SELL THEM INTO THE OPEN MARKET you don't however get paid the moment you sell it into the open market you will then wait for another person to BUY THAT PART then you get paid this is also the reason why your garage has slots for about 3000 parts realistically speaking you will not be able to use all of those slots unless you are role playing as an arms dealer. Again good ridance on ACV tuning it was honestly the weakest implementation of a tuning system. Imagine the kind of backlash if Elden Ring upgrade worked the same way as ACV its not even funny its basically akin to having a max out Estus Flask but each player has "different" amounts of it or heals X amount

[@jamescaulfield6632]

In vertic day like what they did with the guns But they took away perfect boost in verdict day. The best thing out of verdict Day and 5 was multiplayer even though there was a meta and everybody running the same stuff I think it's cool that I get to see everybody's armorcore stories and most people learn that they're all great games in their own right and 6 will totally be no exception I just hope they bring back 4 V 4 and team battle

[@lesslighter]

@@jamescaulfield6632 Perfect boost is still in VD its just that the balance to the generators made it obsolete

[@adamsee4144]

​@@jamescaulfield6632I don't think I ever saw anyone running the same builds back when the pvp was the most active (2013/14). The variety of builds in ACVD was enormous.

[@jamescaulfield6632]

@adamsee4144 Everybody was running a stricoza, a Tanzi. And the Karasawa And missiles, it was the jellyfish. You're running a mid. Bipedal it was the legs with the big shield chest with the car door and arms with the best defense and firing stability head with the best camera functionality it was pretty much the one with the four eyes and I was straight up number one on leaderboards four months straight in team points an AC kills I was either number one or number two and whether you want to admit it or not there was a meta and with every patch that we got came a new meta that's like saying that there's no rifle meta in 4 answer

[@greyspot00]

I've not been excited enough to pre-order a game for over 20 years until now

[@Regdren]

I have to admit, I was CONCERNED at those trailers. Especially when I saw the bosses with telegraphed attacks and the quickboosts that gave some s to dodge through them. Using tricky moves to avoid the way enemies would lead you with your shots was tons of fun for me and I didn't want it replaced with a rhythm game. But then, I suspect that I'd feel the same way if I started playing Armored Core a lot earlier and found out how Nexus messed with booster heat and overboost. Not that Nexus is exactly my fav game in the series even now, but you get the idea. I'll buy it and probably enjoy it for what it is. Whether I go back to playing the classic games right afterward is something only time will tell.

[@lesslighter]

you dont be the final bosses of 5th gen are basically souls bosses so it was a glimpse of what was to come and technically the arms forts in ACfA

[@CoffeePotato]

Just getting to this one, but watching it over again, it doesn't look like s...and technically we did have some of that in 4th gen. When they get slapped by the hands, they get damaged, the computer mentions they got whacked for about half their AP, even if we can't see the count. This almost makes me wonder if we haven't seen the UI because they want people to assume there's souls frames? Ah well, they know what they're doing, it'll kick ass regardless. AC has always been their bizarre passion project.

[@rreckinreturns]

It really has been an interesting ride these last couple of decades with this franchise. 😅

[@CoffeePotato]

Describe your game! Uhh ..ok, sadness, profit, war crimes, putting funny designs on a giant robot's butt, and now for the combat....what month is it?

[@rreckinreturns]

@@CoffeePotato lmao truuuue

[@celticspear]

Cool video. Also minor correction: ACV brought back the searchable parts, not ACVD. Both games had them.

[@CoffeePotato]

I probably meant VD, honestly it was one of those cases where V, despite now knowing how much it tried, made so little of an impression on me that my brain was like..4 and 5 don't exist, it's FA->VD. Even if that's not quite right by any means.

[@KyXnline]

Hadn't heard of the series until 6 was announced, now I'm trying out ACFA! And I gotta say, I really like the movement and I think it would be cool to have some of the movement tech (unaware if things like boost cancelling made it to 5th gen, I haven't played it) At the same time, if there's one developer who's literally never failed me, it's FromSoft. Whether or not those features make, it I'm strongly confident the game will be solid

[@bombomos]

I have not hate for Armored Core. I'm just WORRIED about hard lock specifically in. 4v4 multiplayer. Is that so damn wrong? Do I need to be burn at the stake for being a witch? Cuz that's what this community makes me feel like. Instead of discussing an issue like actual fans of a series.

[@CoffeePotato]

It's because these devs have a history of doing weird things for good reasons, and we finally get the sequel we wanted after over a decade only for a loud minority to start shouting from the rooftops to ignore it due s change absolutely no one fully grasp yet, and likely won't until months after release. They've earned a lot of good faith over the years for their strange designs, and both sides are acting in a fear of the same thing happening. Both sides want their favorite thing to be good and popular. Personally I'm seeing that scene of the AC plinking a few shots from the smokestack and immediately thinking of how tricky it was to break limbs in LR. They've had this idea before, they've even implemented it before. We just don't want to see what's looking to be one hell of a solid thing getting panned because it's different before it gets a chance to fully show itself, if that makes sense. (Personally, I already saw this happen with my other favorite franchise, and the results were tons of bad reviews from people that never even tried the new systems. It's frustrating to see, and helps no one. Damned if I didn't spend months and still now to try and clear some eyes. Seemed to be successful, though, so that's good. )

[@adamsee4144]

It's one thing to be worried or concerned. It's another to express it over and over again on the internet. When you do that on the internet, you're going to attract some very unwanted attention, sometimes from me. I'm going to try to be nice, and explain to you why your worries and concerns NOW of all times is fruitless. AC6 has already finished development. FromSoft has already decided what they want gen 6 Armored Core gameplay to be, and there's nothing we can say to change that. Right now, FromSoft is building up hype so they can get as many sales as possible. Even if all of your worries and concerns are legitimate, nobody is going to listen or take you seriously NOW. The only chance you're going to get to have your worries heard by the right people is AFTER AC6 launches, when the most bugs, glitches and balance issues will be live and present.

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@adamsee4144 So basically, you're saying he can take his worries and conerns, and fuck off. That's basically what your paragraphs means.

[@Rad85PRO]

Being worried is totally fine! Doomposting and saying "the game is ruined, I can't believe it" to all newcomers and blaming them for the "game turning casual" before having any hands-on time with the game is silly and irrational.

[@enricopaolocoronado2511]

Most of the complaints I've seen from you in numerous reply sections in numerous Armored Core VI videos boiled down to "Imagine if Halo or COD had autoaim/aimbot" to try and justify your 'concerns' for what ACVI is going for. Because apparently a highly advanced war machine hailing from a spacefaring civilization run by megacorporations must still use WW1 tank controls to aim their stuff. There's also the fact that we haven't seen how multiplayer works in 6th Gen yet. Do you honestly think that, considering the amount of time FS is spending in this game (FIVE YEARS of development), they wouldn't try to balance things out?

[@nahCyzar0520]

Yeah, the only generations with 3 games is Gen 1 and Gen 3.5 while the rest had 2. Note: I don't think Formula Front is in a generation of games or in it's own generation.

[@CoffeePotato]

Depends, the physics define a gen to me, so 3-SL is just Early third Gen, while NX/NB/FF/LR and probably mobile would be late Third Gen, but it's all Third Gen, each with it's own spin on the engine. FF is just NB, but with AI customization, there's no reason to separate it.

[@nahCyzar0520]

@@CoffeePotato I go by what games you can transfer progress (currency and build) between. Gen 1 | Armored Core -> Armored Core: Project Phantasma -> Armored Core: Master of Arena Gen 2 | Armored Core 2 -> Armored Core 2: Another Age Gen 3 | Armored Core 3 -> Silent Line: Armored Core Gen 3.5 | Armored Core: Nexus -> Armored Core: Nine Breaker -> Armored Core: Last Raven Gen 4 | Armored Core 4 -> Armored Core: For Answer Gen 5 | Armored Core V -> Armored Core: Verdict Day

[@Opebin]

I had a similar experience but it was from AC2 as a kid -> the PSP AC titles I binged off of PSN -> ACV -> ACVD, so i missed a lot but all of them had me stumped and unhappy with how different they were. Gave them more of a chance years later and ended up liking all of the games I've tried out now for what they bring to the table also yeah Saints Row 2 >>>>> the others lol

[@RippahRooJizah]

I never had the hate loop issue, I got my customizable giant robots. Despite how hated Gen V is, it's my favorite Gen because of how fun movement is and the general aesthetic. I did have concerns over the lock but I'm more than willing to see how it all turns out. That said, while AC6 is just another entry of the hate-loop, what's weird is that, in terms of "Dark souls influence" it can be rather inconsistent. I've seen people get disappointed that AC6 looks too souls-like, and others whom are disappointed that it isn't more souls-like.

[@diredier]

love your mature approach :)

[@CoffeePotato]

Why Thank ya!

[@RenoKyrie]

Yeah, it has been a weird journey the series had From the sudden massive qol change early 3rd Gen did to late 3rd Gen making the game unnecesarily hard From Miyazaki attempt at trying to surpass Gundam with 4th Gen To 5th Gen trying to become Monster Hunter with Multiplayer focus Even though im a new Raven only ever played 3rd Gen AC and watched both For Answer and Verdict Days gameplay, im still on the side of being hyped on AC6 since i still believe AC6 going to be the Mecha experience no other Mecha game ever managed to find the perfect balance on speed pacing and unique Mech Design for its own series

[@CoffeePotato]

For better or worse, they're always trying something cool, that's for sure.

[@jaimemarrero3982]

The generation loop for me, 32 y/o who started with AC on demo disks on ps 1 was: AC1 is cool. Ac 2 is awesome AC2AA yes, give me more AC3 this is the GOAT, THE GOAT! AC3SL solid, consistent sequel ACNexus more of a good thing is a good thing ACLR this is the GOAT, THE GOAT AC4 what is this? If I wanted mechs this fast I'd go to Gundam. AC4A this is ok, I've accepted the golden days are behind us. ACV eh, I get what they were going for, like it more than 4, but something's off. And that was my last AC until FoR was announced, and I saw the correct evolution path from AC3. I'm happy for all that enjoy the 4th gen, it was not for me.

[@CoffeePotato]

There be many goats 💪

[@CptJistuce]

​@@CoffeePotatoA whole herd of goats.

[@nizalmuhammad9689]

I had no problem with hard lock, but im bit sad the combat movement feels like souls. There's a checkpoint in this series, if you destroyed in the battle you will continued in checkpoint. Even they add garage in middle of mission

[@apophis7712]

They did that already in ACV

[@lesslighter]

@@apophis7712 which mean not a lot of people actually played the intricacies of ACV vs ACVD which are wholely on different scales ACVD did without the checkpoints and in mission garage because the missions in VD are MUCH MUCH MUCH SHORTER and the "souls-like bosses" another 5th gen staple you can not tackle them like the old gen and over power your way no no... you need to commit your attacks and dodge at the same time sure they can be cheesed like how WGIX is infact cheesable with quad highest hitting pile bunkers preferably with a dual slot shoulder magazine more ammo doesnt hurt

[@CoffeePotato]

We don't know what it feels like, it's too early to say. Looks AC to me, though. Also checkpoints have also happened before, that one's been around since the PS2 days.

[@Valkrss]

THANK YOU for bringing up the fact ac4 had a fixed lock mode. It was fucking aweful, but it had it. Also totally forgot about the weapon upgrading system in ACV. Personally wayy more preferred the gunplay in ACV over 4. 4/4a I almost exclusively did blade battles. And yeah, ACV with the right setup and skills could be insanely fast.

[@sf3testvids]

Alot of ppl may not remember this.... but in the early days of third gen around 2002-2003 a lot of people used to complain that armored core was getting way too formulaic and needed to change.... I am old enough to remember in forums ppl complaining that certain mission archetypes were repeating (guard train, eliminate/release bio weapon infestation, destroy vats in fuel depo, destroy the computer, destroy the ai/controller (which was a retelling of the ai in ac1). Also some vets were complaining that ac battles in arena were wayyy to easy.. hell I remember a ac vet arguing that the arena in silent line and the first rank ac mobius was WAY easier than ace and that he never got below 5000ap when playing the arena or missions compared to ac3.... that's how ingrained the old system/controls was for the vets.. Hell ppl even noticed that the general look of the acs circa first gen to third were looking too simular.. Then nexus hit and the complaints went the opposite direction.. Don't believe me, look up old neoseeker forum posts on silent line and ac3 and ppls opinions on them (circa say... 2002-2005 and look at the general perspectives... (I was even on some of those forum threads myself when I was like 12-14 years old) Trust me as a ac fan since 1997 I can tell ya the disagreement in the direction of the series isn't anything new...

[@CoffeePotato]

Absolutely, hell, by Last Raven they tried to improve the AI enough to be a threat, but even with them outright cheating, flying like mosquitoes, and cheating some more, we knew the system well enough to challenge run that. Could start a game show out of all this, "Troll or Nostalgia Goggles".

[@sf3testvids]

@CoffeePotato indeed, you had ppl argue the games needed more ac battles that were harder than earlier gens with ac 1 on 1s hence ac LR then... you had some ppl argue that was all there was to ac LR... and that some were just unfair.... people also wanted a move involved story like LR but then complained there was too much when LR hit... Yea as a developer you can't win...

[@CoffeePotato]

@@sf3testvids Yeah, after the early ACs, people kept demanding more sim features...and then got pissed when Nexus added more sim features 🤣

[@glinthawk9386]

I started my Armored core journey on the 4th and for answer games. I underestimated how hard it was, bearing in mind I was young and inexperienced, but I loved it regardless. March this year I practically binge played 5 and despite the "grounded" combat style, it's still fun. What makes me laugh about the next iteration is that people are getting mad at it... when the game isn't fully released yet. So maybe chill before the game comes out, then voice your opinions. Maybe a nicpick, but that's just my opinion about the current situation surrounding AC6.

[@vain.a]

who is nick?

[@glinthawk9386]

@@vain.a it's an expression. Think of it as another way of saying "tiny criticism" or something along those lines.

[@culade]

So they change every game, fans hate it til they love it. Got it. I hear the same thing is currently happening in the Final Fantasy community too. But I do agree, it's FromSoft.. they know what they're doing.

[@CoffeePotato]

There's so much of this same thing for every dang franchise right now, it's frustrating to see so many fancy themselves rage critics over stuff they likely don't even understand. I was surprised to see even RE4 remake going through the same thing, and I think that one lady's review of that one really hit the nail on the head there.

[@jeremyparsons2944]

+1 to the list of hooked since the ps1 demo disk

[@CoffeePotato]

Hell yeah demo disk!

[@northropi2027]

oh no! my game where all the weapons lock on is adding a... *checks notes* mechanic where all the weapons lock on. honestly i don't think hard lock even will make a difference versus being able to just turn quickly and precisely with KBM and From might reasonably see it as a necessity to keep controllers on an even playing field. i generally don't like mechanics that abstract things, i like games that aim for a sort of Ace Combat level of faux-realism at least where you're generally in control of most things fairly directly even if it's not a sim- but the AC6 lock system actually looks kinda interesting. i look at the footage and think it's pretty slick, even with my biases and my little pipe dream that one day we'll get an AC-esque game that has typical shooter controls (you look at how fast shit gets in New Blood's holy trinity and tell me that isn't possible), i can see how this improves this particular game, how it builds on mechanics and mechanics build on it. and this is the part where i'd say i respect everyone else's opinion, and like i *do*, but i also feel like the community reaction really has been much ado about nothing. then again i've only played LR and V and my favorite of those two was V so what do i know

[@CoffeePotato]

Folks are panicking over this assumption that the gameplay of the originals was moving a lockbox around exclusively. It's the usual remake first blush heart attack apparently every remake or new entry gets. I'm super excited, let them raw blessings get here sooner, as they say.

[@Ira_Dei]

>fromsoft does not half ass things >ac2 another age >vyke's story in elden ring >ac5 >ds2

[@CoffeePotato]

Hey now, DS2 was dang good fun. That's more the "Whole Ass in a weird direction" example at work. Another Age still has a multiplayer scene to this day, AC5 had a surprising amount of replayability it just never bothered to tell anyone about, and ..I've yet to be able to afford Elden Ring, but that space fight looks sick as hell.

[@Ira_Dei]

​@@CoffeePotato not saying any fromsoft game is bad, and DS2 happens to be my favorite of the souls series, but they do mess up and/or underdeliver quite a lot. It's just that the rest is incredible enough to carry the whole. I'm personally gonna enjoy AC6 either way, but i sympathize with vets who did not enjoy Souls seeing elements of them creeping into AC.

[@nathankuszewski4579]

Shhhh! 🤫

[@OtherMomo]

I hope.the first five missions in ac6 is boots-on-the-ground combat to earn enough money for the first AC, just cuz it would be funny for the complainers

[@CoffeePotato]

Honestly have wanted to play as an utter jobber unit since AC1. When I heard there was an MT game....I expected it to actually be an MT. So many times as a kid I tried to rebuild my AC3 things as close to MTs as possible.

[@WildFungus]

The thing about Armored Core historically, like hot take here. FROM soft made King's Field which is a clunky ass 3D action rpg but more like a 3D eye of the beholder. And then Armored Core takes the engine and makes a fast scummy mecha mercenary rpg out of it. And it was a huge improvement and a modest hit. So any of the changes I've seen look welcome adding cinematic epicness to pilot duels and stuff like that amazing. I really don't see calling it like having dark souls influence so much as the action rpg and mecha rpg games from FROM have always been a piggyback of designj development throughout the decades.

[@CoffeePotato]

Video on this soonish, but it's funny how the best example of this might be Shadow Tower, where it's basically "what would happen if Dark Souls 2, but it's Kings Field, and the spells are Armored Core guns.

[@WildFungus]

@@CoffeePotato And like their action rpgs started having better movement and better action immediately after. It's a positive feedback loop. Exciting stuff and I look forward to the video.

[@lesslighter]

I grew up with Project Phantasma and Master of Arena but since the family didnt buy a PS2 I wasnt able to experience Armored Core more than that until we eventually did after we got a Wii and then I saw Ninebreaker.... and I was like... wait AC didnt die? And into the rabbit hole I went consensus I didnt like Ninebreaker as it wasnt the smoothest experience if you come from Gen 1 AC, WHICH I WAS and then the family went and got a PS3, but then I missed AC4 but I did know it was released I just couldnt find a copy of it locally until some X years later when ACfA came about I still wasnt able to find a copy locally until ACV came and thats when I was finally able to hook up a copy of AC4 and ACfA. But since I had a PSP I was able to... ahem play the portable games I did like what Formula Front was offering, but I overall liked the Gen 3 main games AC3-Silent Line and Last Raven. I still never liked how complicated unlocking parts in Silent Line went for the most part... but here I am learning to bunny hop being able to purge using extension and overboost quite comfortably

[@Mayadel100]

My 1st armoured core memory was AC 1 with no manual just the disk and having to figure out the controls . I had so much fun with it replayed it many times until the final mission which to this day I stand that AC1 has the worst final mission of any good game.

[@CoffeePotato]

Yeah ..it would have been to neat to know what they were thinking was good about that level exactly.

[@LoveXKnife]

Thanks for the vid, a lot of people need to hear this

[@inixi8ocelot]

Stryker505 explained it much better. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6OThqduod2VnJo AC4FA doesn't have hard lock on, it's a soft lock on.

[@CoffeePotato]

Glad to do so!

[@Zeon081]

it's like anime. "this season sucks, there is nothing to watch, all good shows were last season" every season.

[@CoffeePotato]

Fair point

[@Sp00nRX78]

To this day I still can’t beat the final boss in AC project phantasma. So ridiculously hard.

[@nathankuszewski4579]

Try large missile

[@CoffeePotato]

Might like Pro Cow's Another Age Phantasma video, then. 👌

[@Sp00nRX78]

@@CoffeePotato a what now?

[@OCTO358]

Guy sounds like LGR

[@CoffeePotato]

You know, it's surprising that this isn't the first time I've heard that, thanks!

[@GunRunner106]

im still waiting for a chromehounds 2.

[@CoffeePotato]

Fair enough

[@nathankuszewski4579]

This is all normal, it happens with every franchise (know anything about heroes of might and magic?). AC was a niche series, so of course the fans tend to have particular ideas about them.i dont know why this surprises anyone. Teenage me was dissappinted with ac5, but i still look back fondly on it. On a related note, when i went from 1-2-3 i thought they felt identical, never had any nitpicks, just shinier with each entry (ac2 is my favourite though just for music and setting) Anyway, rocket only AC6 playthrough incoming?

[@CoffeePotato]

Hell yeah rocket only AC6, might as well make that the first playthrough

[@nathankuszewski4579]

@@CoffeePotato rockets are the real mans weapon

[@astralbuddha]

Blockbuster?! Ooo! I memba!!

[@CoffeePotato]

One of us old farts!

[@astreakaito5625]

Nice vid man, totally agree too, the real fans should be used to this.

[@ValeVin]

The Generation Hate Loop idea is a really interesting theory, but I can confirm it does not work for Mega Man X/Zero.

[@CoffeePotato]

Ok, fair, MM9 did seem to faceplant pretty hard.

[@ValeVin]

@@CoffeePotato Megan Man X1-6 and Zero1-3 are such weird cases where the team wanted to innovate so hard, but they just kept innovating worse. I imagine the modding world is rich for Mega Man Zero, as there's three really great games hidden under a lot of terrible attempts to add weird new features. It reminds me of Matsuno's triangle thing he told the Unsung Story team.

[@DRNT940]

I feel like I get put in the category that hates the new. That's just not true. I believe healing not only takes away from the theme in armored core but promotes longer missions like in 5. It wasn't fun. I got exhausted and found it confusing to tell where one mission ended and another began. I don't care for a hard lock because it takes away from the effort necessary to hold a lock. This and energy management is what separates one pilots skill from another and determines a victor. This is part of armoredcores DNA and what makes it fun. That's why veterans of the series don't want it. Now don't get me wrong I look forward to what the creators have said and honestly I think this game will be very similar to acfa but realize it is a mixture of vd and lr as well and I welcome that. My beef is people coming into the community and demanding armoredcore be drastically altered to be souls like because they want it to be. Too bad. It's not happening, and you can think it is all you want. That's totally up to you, but reality is reality.

[@CoffeePotato]

This is assuming a lot of things. Just to broadly cover stuff... 1. Whatever category category you see yourself as is up to you. I'm trying to explain that this cycle has been around for over a decade now. 2. Not the most important, but long missions were a thing long before 5. They've always been there, just in between everything else. Silent Line in particular had some that could go for 45 minutes or more under some circumstances. Remember when your first time through SL during the prototype mission, how you'd burn through resources and go back to the truck, only to regret the cost and avoid it on figure playthroughs? It sounds like the repair kits are a first playthrough tool, destroying your rating at the cost of just getting through it for now. Aka "Using this is admitting you lost" kind of a vibe. 3. Holding a lock isn't hard, knowing when to shoot is. This is why doing a Rocket only gets far easier when never moving the camera for the most part, but knowing everything's pattern, and hitting it on a curve. *Unless using a sniper build, in which case Last Raven is guaranteed to be your favorite experience, I'm sure that smoldering PS2 disc over there is something else. What I'm trying to get across about the hard lock is that it's there for a reason. Not a "we need it to be Souls" reason, but a "we want you to be able to study movements and react accordingly" reason. How many players never have AC a chance because they didn't see the details? Who honestly ever saw a laser blade bounces off of energy shields and actually did something with that information? These little often missed details make challenge runs incredible for AC, and I think this camera switch will cause folks to pay attention to stuff they'd never see otherwise. These folks have never made a change for a lazy reason.

[@DRNT940]

@CoffeePotato other then formula I've played all the armored cores but I don't remember much except from for answer and 5/vd. I disagree with your assertion about holding a lock. It takes focus and is a mainstay of the game.

[@ALBATROZZ98]

for me that Hardlock and turn speed ARE the foundation for Armored Core you can change here and there , hell...change everything beside hardlock it's still called AC for me you have same weight and heat system in the mechawarriors, but it's not Armored Core You have many(MUCH) more customization in Gundam Breaker, but it's not Armored Core heck why there's Daemon x Machina become Spiritual successor of AC? it's because the hardlock get it? people panic because they change what AC game a AC, but if that system like Verdict day, like you switching mode, i'm fine with that

[@lesslighter]

Wait DXM had a hardlock? Or maybe it does but it was so janky its barely usable since the camera goes of a fhot fizz on certain angles

[@ALBATROZZ98]

@@lesslighter you playing the PC port, the switch one pretty much feels like 4A Lite too me

[@ALBATROZZ98]

@@lesslighter or maybe faster Verdict Day

[@CoffeePotato]

But we know turn speed exists. Also we've seen a hard lock before. That's a lot of assumptions. It'll be good, relax.

[@rottenmeat5934]

Eh people think passions are a purely mental thing, but it’s physical. The things you like leave a physical imprint, and merely getting close to it causes a gag reflex. I’m glad From gives us the bitter medicine.

[@BigFry9591]

The lock on thing isn't about it just being like Souls though. That's an accusation thrown at people who have legitimate concerns over it. That's a change in gameplay, which people are afraid of. Going from having to manually aim in a general direction, to just having everything done for you at all times, that's a totally different play style. And while there was lock on in previous games, it had downsides. Your parts on you AC when it came to tracking opponents. Now that seems to have been pretty much removed.

[@CoffeePotato]

But it hasn't been, that's the part that annoys everyone else. It's this mentality of "if I scratch this itch, I'll accidentally lobotomize myself". It's this leap to assume they suddenly didn't understand how to make their mechanics work after decades of making AC games. We know turn speed exists, we know locks can be broken, it's different, but they know what they're doing. The lock on stuff has been iterated on tons of times, this ain't new.

[@justletmecomment6453]

If hardlock couldn't be broken or doesn't have degrees of accuracy, they wouldn't include FCS as a part still.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

Am I a shitty person for still liking and playing Armored Core even if I got into the series with 4th gen on the Xbox 360 this year, yes or no?

[@CoffeePotato]

@@MrWaifuTaker Why would you be? They're all good.

[@imthedevilkys536]

Evvvvergreen famiryyyyy

[@CoffeePotato]

WoooOoooOOooOooooo....legit had a guest think I was doing some spiritual stuff once when I was just doing some ACVD one day 🤣

[@leegunring]

The reason you were angry with the new generation of AC in the past was the misunderstanding and confusion caused by insufficient information and intelligence. This is not the same thing as the current anger of the AC community.

[@CoffeePotato]

Wait, are you serious? That's exactly what's going on.

[@leegunring]

@@CoffeePotato As a rule, FromSoft will always launch relevant extensions after the new generation of AC to average down the cost. But in the past, you didn't even know AC2AA & ACSL, etc. This is a big difference from today's launch of new AC with less publicity after a decade of time. Interviews often deny the relationship between AC6 and soulborne, but the trailer has sentences like "let the last cinder burn" that new players associate with. On the other hand, the trailer also uses terms such as "raven" and "augmented human" to make associations with old players, but it seems to abandon the original turning mechanism, which makes it impossible for any player to determine the content, and this uneasiness is the cause of the dispute.

[@frowningmirror8097]

You don't seem to understand what people mean by lockon mode

[@CoffeePotato]

I do. People seem to think their hot take means they don't have to see where others are coming from, though. Considering there's a turn speed stat, and we see a fly by lock break, this is how agile 4th gen Lock on ideas worked. Yes, technically the anchor idea has evolved since then, but it's the same ides. Things can be technically different while being in the same vein. Souls evolved from Armored Core, which now came back with another remixed version. It's what they do.

[@frowningmirror8097]

@@CoffeePotato I didn't see a lock break, infact i saw where it auto turned perfectly. If there was a lockbreak, they probably weren't locked on. It looks like Elden Ring or dark souls to me, where you turn around automatically and faster if they get behind you

[@squeletondread5080]

I started with AC4A then gradualy bought every AC games I could get my hands on, my favorite being the AC4A and ACVD. What I did find funny is that it seems some vet players seem concerned for the pvp, while I'm here saying that it is the first armored core game in praticaly 10 years can't they just appreciate it ? Also I personnaly think that this game is going to be more open to the newer players but remain a skill ceiling pretty high. I'm super hyped and might be my spam game for a while. for the time being time to play ACVD on rpcs3 :D

[@CoffeePotato]

I think these guys have earned enough good will to know it'll be gold.

[@Xizax41325]

The reason I have my concerns for ac6 is because of sekiro. Sekiro started as a reboot of tenchu. You can feel the soul of tenchu in there. Sneaking around and stabbing guys in the shadows. Using your grappling hook to get around places. Then souls mechanics got added to it. Now I can't play sekiro because every time I try to pick it up and give it a go I see tenchu and what could have been if it had stayed strictly a tenchu game instead of merging into sekiro. I enjoyed what bit of sekiro I could power through but I couldn't play it for more than a few hours without getting sad over a franchise that I loved as a kid on my Playstation still being dead and from Frankensteining it's corpse into some form of undeath. I worry that AC6 might end up feeling the same. I pre-ordered ac6. I took my birthday week off just to play it on release because I am excited for it. I am going to play it, but it's not armored core.

[@CoffeePotato]

The Sekiro comparison gets made every now and then, but it didn't even have the bar stagger mechanic until AC did it in at least 3 different versions first. Started with just heat, then became the shield break, then directly became stagger. Also, said it right there, it started as a Tenchu reboot, but ended up becoming it's own thing because that's how creative stuff goes sometimes. This is still AC.

[@carlschrappen9712]

This video aged badly, and this is coming from someone who strongly likes AC6's campaign. Hard Lock and no turning speed did dramatically reduce the skill ceiling of PvP, as the game of positioning to get a better angle on your opponent has been completely removed. The video "Armored Core VI: What Went Wrong? | A Review with the AC Community" covers it well.

[@CoffeePotato]

@@carlschrappen9712 I think the ceiling is pretty solid. I've always been a third gen guy, but it's felt like going to the ps3 days. This video was around the pearl clutching of that month, mostly.

[@carlschrappen9712]

@@CoffeePotato Fair enough. I will say that, in hindsight, most of the concern about hard lock and no turning speed was justified.

[@CoffeePotato]

@@carlschrappen9712 Personally, I'd disagree, depending on what we're talking about. The movement freedom you get for not using the lock feels really liberating. Oddly specific, but it reminded me of years of playing through the series using manual fire only. Except now it's just a mode you can do whenever. That first Balteus fight doing nothing but tracking the guy mentally felt amazing. Probably unfamiliar, but it's like the Chariot feature in Tactics Ogre. There for folks that want it, but so much more satisfying without using it.

[@carlschrappen9712]

@CoffeePotato You do you, but in the over 350 hours I've put into AC6 PvE, I've never found any particular advantage to not using hardlock, and in Pvp, people pretty much always use hardworking when in range to do so.

[@CoffeePotato]

@carlschrappen9712 I love my spin to win. That thing tracks in some pretty hilarious ways unlocked. Favorite thing in pvp is anyone someone with missiles only to catch them with it. It's no meta, but it's a very satisfying sound when it works.

[@newdawnsets7076]

AC4/ACFA did not have a hardlock, what are you talking about?

[@CoffeePotato]

While not as hard of a lock, you could lock on to turn with the target more, got a little lock view window, and generally tracked them more. You could still spin away from it, and it wasn't the most popular thing, but just like turning off your FCS for manual fire, it was there.

[@SiphonRayzar]

Man, you really are going on the "dismiss all concernes, it's just part of the new generation" loop train, aren't you?

[@CoffeePotato]

I like to give creativity it's due, there's a bit too much boomer doom out there in my opinion. I see systems that look fun, I talk them up. Best case scenario, I'm right and it's all good, and I get a warm fuzzy feeling for seeing something I like get more back pats, worst case scenario it's some embarrassment and an excuse to do some old gen randomizers again. Either outcome is a good time. Still think AC6 looks Awesome.

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@CoffeePotato I'm still fairly optimistic regardless, what changes. But something to keep in mind, is not all changes are good. And that's what I'm worried about, specifically with the lock on mechanics, as I've said before on the last video on AC6. Regardless, I hope we can both have fun with what it has to offer.

[@CoffeePotato]

@@SiphonRayzar I'm positive it'll be a lot more utilitarian than folks are assuming. Frankly, they just know how to apply the right mechanics for the right situation. I remember folks being piiiiissed at 5th gen, but dang if that wasn't some cool as hell strategic gameplay. I'm here for it either way, they've earned that confidence vote.

[@SiphonRayzar]

@@CoffeePotato I still am pissed at Gen 5, and see it as easily the worst of the series, but I do understand your point.

[@gaberielpendragon]

Long story short, check your biases and take everything as it's own new thing. Sadly humans are really bad at this. Most of the time those taking about skill ceilings or what not aren't even remotely close to the ceiling.

[@gamedominatorxennongdm7956]

People really going on about "BuT mUh sKilL CeILlinG!?" while they just barely got off the skill floor.

[@FlatEarthAdministrator]

Ac4 didn’t have a hard lock it was breakable whereas a souls hard lock is unbreakable. You don’t even know what you’re talking about

[@lastEvergreen]

Do you think you know what you’re talking about? There’s something in your statement that’s wrong. Do you know what it might be?

[@moisesezequielgutierrez]

@@lastEvergreen He ain't wrong. AC4's hardlock is easily breakable while Souls's Hard lock greatly orbits around the target perfectly

[@lucky13sj]

​@@lastEvergreenyeah sorry to texting you here but it sounds like you don't know either. Just because a bunch of KZbinrs keep saying it doesn't make it true. Four and for answer the two that I played the absolute most and I can absolutely tell you that they did not have a hard lock system

[@veryawsome3748]

"Souls lock is unbreakable" Pontiff Isshin Owl Orphan of kos Friede many MANY more lol. It seems like maybe alot of you AC players dont know enough about souls to actually comment on its mechanics.

[@MA-go7ee]

​@veryawsome3748 Yh you named five enemies out of hundreds in the franchise and even then the lock only breaks sometimes.

[@brianjv1560]

Its just not Armored Core anymore. Its Armored Souls or souls core maybe mech-iro but not armored core.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

And ac4 wasn’t armored core either it was Gundam core

[@lileofficial4273]

And thank God for that, the worst part of armored core was the clunky ass controls. Evreything else is still the same or better though, so let's go armored core 6!

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@lileofficial4273 You know you can just rebind the controls right?

[@CoffeePotato]

Looks like Armored Core to me. No one called Demons Souls "Souls core" when it shifted to the AC energy system and gave weight restrictions value beyond not being allowed yet. You haven't even played it, and You're judging what it feels like.

[@adamsee4144]

Then you don't have to play AC6 at all. Nobody's forcing you to play it. Just quit trying to tell others what is or isn't Armored Core like you're some kind of authority on it.

[@MA-go7ee]

First of all, dismissing people who are unhappy about changes being made as irrational is just obnoxious. You don't even have a point really. Your claim is something absurd like 'things always change and people eventually adjust so no issues'. Except thats not true at all. Things change and the fans who liked what was removed drop out. You've stuck through all the changes? Well, congratulations! All that means is none of the changes made so far has affected *your* enjoyment of the game enough to stop playing it. Obviously, another fan might feel differently. Why you'll cheerfully dismiss their experiences, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't occur to you that the reason you think fans just adjust to whatever changes have been made is that the ones who don't like them *aren't in the fandom anymore*? Maybe you just like giant robots and gameplay doesn't matter you, but a lot of people like specific things about their favourite franchises. They like specific types of gameplay. A certain level of complexity. And if that changes, they're allowed to be unhappy about it. Ps - Saying Souls and Armored Core are basically the same is completely ridiculous.

[@lesslighter]

Thing is as Coffee Potato argues "nothing" in Armored Core's history has been CONSISTENT one can argue that the main thing that "stayed" consistent in AC's history is the garage but even the parts list of the garage changes from generation to generation and its a mission based system. the intricacies of mechanics has changed especially in the transistion from 3rd gen to 4th gen where movement from 3rd gen was improved upon on no more hover extensions, omni booster, boost turners as in 4th gen it has been integrated into the Quick Boost and booster system, 5th gen improved the melee options with the boost charge system as Melee was and still is clunky up to 5th gen while still keeping in touch what 4th gen movement did so the fact its still integrated with Quick Boost being renamed to High Boost the fact you can still "2nd stage" High Boost by rhythmitically boosting instead of the "tension" you use to quick boost. AC6 has the evolution of 5th gen mechanics. I mean can one argue that the "pace" of Quick Boosting and High Boosting isnt any different from how people from Gen 1-3 used bunny hopping? But thats just drawing the straws IMHO How bout being able to fire all 4 weapons, thats been not exactly part of AC's core mechanics but if you think how you build and use extensions, with an EO core and 2 ranged arm weapons.... thats technically 4 weapons but again thats drawing another straw as the max you could go in AC5 was 3 your shoulder unit + 2 arm weapons but depending on what you slapped on your shoulder unit (1 slot over 2 slots missiles, CIWS, energy condenser or lock on computer as shoulder unit is a hybrid of option parts missiles and extensions packed into 1 frame part) you can practically say you are using 4 weapons but again drawing of straws argument

[@femimark5021]

​none of them removed aiming and had a quick heal or rhythm bosses

[@lesslighter]

@@femimark5021 ACV and VD would want to talk with you about rhythm bosses specifically their final bosses and raid bosses I would argue 4th gen to a degree made aiming less of a priority as your screen became the lockbox meaning having a larger render FoV was more advantageous in 4th gen

[@CoffeePotato]

This sounds like my 4 year old when I ask him about a food he's never tried, and he goes on an angry rant about a bunch of made up stuff he didn't like about it to get out of dinner and ask for a snack. That's a good sign of having a point.