Why I love the Legion of Superheroes

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@nickjanecke6688
@nickjanecke6688 7 ай бұрын
Long live the Legion!
@RayMescallado
@RayMescallado 7 ай бұрын
Paul Levitz's second run on the Legion - from Medicus One to the whole Baxter Run - has always been my favorite mainstream comic, bar none. A perfect blend of superheroes, science fiction (especially the extensive world-building!), and soap opera (think of where Shrinking Violet and Projectra started in Levitz's run and how they turned out).
@earwigismadlove
@earwigismadlove 7 ай бұрын
Best videos are when Perch gushes over books and runs that he likes.
@epidoxa8880
@epidoxa8880 7 ай бұрын
Yes!
@carlgibson285
@carlgibson285 7 ай бұрын
Any Legion comic that Keith Giffen was involved with is worth reading.
@odinson99m
@odinson99m 7 ай бұрын
Karate Kid dying in battle was immensely dramatic when I was a kid! Legion is awesome!
@patriciagonzalez9341
@patriciagonzalez9341 Ай бұрын
Karate Kid has always been my hero. I was so angry when Keith Giffen killed him.
@ferrarriohh
@ferrarriohh 7 ай бұрын
The instant Bendis and Tom Taylor tied Jonathan Kent to Legion I knew there was no hope for good LoSh stories until this era crashes n’burns.
@JennySparkz
@JennySparkz 7 ай бұрын
You were absolutely correct.
@geekynerd7346
@geekynerd7346 7 ай бұрын
The best Legion era was Jim Shooter’s first run, Adventure Comics #346 to #380 (1966-1969). The run was really good!
@LillianSteele-u9v
@LillianSteele-u9v 3 ай бұрын
This was when I was growing up. The LSH inspired me to become a K12 Educator.
@HarlanEllisonlives
@HarlanEllisonlives 7 ай бұрын
They were one of the first comics I ever read.
@cottonbuds6520
@cottonbuds6520 7 ай бұрын
Love the Legion. It'd be a great spot for newer writers to cut their teeth on but not in a 'this is a sandbox do what you want' BUT 'here is a box of toys you can make some adventures with but do not break anything or you can not play with them again'.
@JennySparkz
@JennySparkz 7 ай бұрын
Wasn't a fan of five years later, but I didn't hate/dislike it enough to drop. Then along came Bendis and mission accomplished. Did not last five issues. Damn that man's toes.
@benevolentremnant2949
@benevolentremnant2949 7 ай бұрын
LoSH is great. The tryout issues for new members, Karate Kid's arc, that Zero Hour tie-in issue that ends with history being wiped out and the book devolving to raw newsprint--so many great moments. And Brainiac 5 will always be Kara Zor-El's one true love
@atomichound1868
@atomichound1868 7 ай бұрын
I just read an issue with Porcupine Pete trying out. Needless to say, it didn’t go well for old Pete! 😂
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
Kara Zor-El should have married him before she died in the Crisis. Instead of that one time appearance character, who we knew nothing about.
@StringersLogic
@StringersLogic 2 ай бұрын
Ferro Lads storyline was always my favorite.
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
I want the 70's Legion back. They were fun, they had some excellent plot lines for the most part. Paul Levitz would have to write it, but I don't want these rebooted legions that we've had several times.
@LillianSteele-u9v
@LillianSteele-u9v 3 ай бұрын
I agree. DC does not know what it is doing at all.
@stevenliga3632
@stevenliga3632 7 ай бұрын
Best post in ages. No complaining, no bad news, just a take on why you love a title. Awesome. Doesn’t hurt that the Legion is one of my favorites too. 😊
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve 7 ай бұрын
Rip karate kid man hes a real one. Pours one out
@seannyhan2254
@seannyhan2254 7 ай бұрын
Raises a glass for Ferro Lad
@patriciagonzalez9341
@patriciagonzalez9341 Ай бұрын
I agree. KK was my favorite. I hated Giffen for killing him.
@emsleywyatt3400
@emsleywyatt3400 5 ай бұрын
OG Legion fan here. Two things made the Legion special. The large cast and the sci-fi setting. I learned a lot about life from reading the Legion as a kid. I learned about perseverance from Bouncing Boy (and the Subs). I learned about love from Ultra Boy and Phantom Girl. I learned about integrity from Invisible Kid socking Ultra Boy when he went against orders. And I learned about teamwork from every single issue.
@joshuataylor7443
@joshuataylor7443 6 ай бұрын
Basically you like it for all those endless possibilities.
@atomichound1868
@atomichound1868 7 ай бұрын
I started a read through of the Legion with the Silver Age Omnibus editions three years ago after listening to Joe and Perch’s retrospective video. I read one issue per week on Saturday morning. I am up through Superboy / LSH 203. Love the journey and the early 70s are a gold mine for great comics. I have every appearance in some form of print, i.e., singles, trades or Omnis.
@Compound97
@Compound97 7 ай бұрын
If I was DC and I was looking for a manga- style book, Legion would be the go-to. It's the same vein as My Hero Academia, One Piece, Bleach, Fairy Tail, Fire Force or any of a gajillion other book. Giant cast, endless universe to explore, free to go anywhere since It doesn't need to heavily tie into current continuity.
@rosariostefenelli4155
@rosariostefenelli4155 7 ай бұрын
I would buy that for a dollar. A manga style Legion, why isn't there one already?
@Red-Wolf-Ben
@Red-Wolf-Ben 5 ай бұрын
LONG LIVE THE LEGION!!!
@davidgalvez5341
@davidgalvez5341 7 ай бұрын
The Legion needs creators who are, artistically, the equivalent of Chameleon Boy.
@ComicsOdyssey
@ComicsOdyssey 7 ай бұрын
I’ve been getting into LOSH more and more. Man, thinking about Hickman on LOSH. That would awesome! I wish DC would get the LOSH reprint game sorted.
@atomichound1868
@atomichound1868 7 ай бұрын
Mark Waid was recently on Word Ballon and after I asked about a Bronze Age Legion Omni, he said he would make a call and see if we can get something going on that front. Obviously, no promises, but I’m hopeful we will see something sooner rather than later.
@miamikaos5958
@miamikaos5958 7 ай бұрын
Crisis on infinite earths ended the Legion. The constant revamps and retcons of Superman/ Superboy destroyed Legion continuity.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
Yes. The Post Zero version and the anothers never was good like the original one. There are 4 versions of the LOSH in DC.
@ThorneIdentity
@ThorneIdentity 6 ай бұрын
dear god, how I love the legion.
@Brakdayton
@Brakdayton 7 ай бұрын
The beauty of the Legion is that all DC continuity could have no effect EXCEPT for Superman. I imagined the Superboy influence as a garbled history, like Robin Hood or King Arthur.
@Solitaire001
@Solitaire001 5 ай бұрын
When they rebooted the Legion in conjunction with "Zero Hour" this is what they did. Rather than having just Superboy being the inspiration for the Legion, it was the heroes of the 20th Century (Brande had a great interest in the heroes of the 20th Century) who were the inspiration for the Legion. Combined with the loss of information over the centuries could be used to explain any continuity issues such as them thinking that there was a Superboy (information on Superman and his son were conflated together over the centuries).
@adamfrey4920
@adamfrey4920 7 ай бұрын
And yes, Legion is very, very niche. My exposure, particularly in the mid 90s when the continuity rebooted, is that either you're really, really into it, or you're not whatsoever.
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve 7 ай бұрын
They sold more than supes during those million copy days so idk about niche.
@adamfrey4920
@adamfrey4920 7 ай бұрын
​@@PaballoKobe-xh9veIn the 60s? No. In the 90s? Very niche.
@lordd794
@lordd794 7 ай бұрын
The nineties run sucked mostly. The Great Darkness Saga, and 5 Years Later, are their peak.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
@@adamfrey4920The Legion hit your apex in the late of 70's and the 80's.Shame how DC bad treatment screwed with the team.
@h.j.victory6103
@h.j.victory6103 7 ай бұрын
LSH is one of my 1st exposures to comic books. Mid to late 70's mid 80's artist like Mike Grell is one of my favorite LSH artists. My favorite LSH run was The Great Darkness Saga. I sure miss that LSH era
@aaronanglea
@aaronanglea 7 ай бұрын
Legion of Superheroes needs multiple titles. like the x-men did in the 90s
@brianmiklic5058
@brianmiklic5058 7 ай бұрын
Someday, the Legion will find a writer to erase the Bendis era and bring back the prestige
@redskin6146
@redskin6146 5 ай бұрын
I loved and very much miss LSH. I read it as a child, my uncles collection, and was the only and first comics I read at the time. What I loved about it was that all the characters had relationships with each other and the large cast .... so when I was introduced to other comics years later (e.g. spiderman, Hulk,. Superman), they seemed one dimensional because there were no interactions with other superheroes. I would love to relive that feeling of reading those same comics again, but I wouldn't know how to obtain them. Too many versions/reboots/sequels e.t.c. to distinguish from the original series. Is there a version of the original series in full I could buy (not original collectibles)?
@briandavison8306
@briandavison8306 7 ай бұрын
Long Live the Legion. One of my first and favourites
@jimgillespie6109
@jimgillespie6109 7 ай бұрын
Five Years Later was when I jumped off. Nope. This was not what I wanted. The Legion was designed to be an extension of Superboy/-man's world. Severing the direct links to Kal-El changes the concept. Doing that (Gee, thanks Crisis!) began a seemingly endless series of retcons that have decimated the value of the team/concept. Why buy the book when there's a tremendous chance it won't ever be the version of the team you liked? Going back to the original core of the concept, a team of superpowered teenagers-turned-heroes in the future inspired by Kal-El's heroics, is likely the only version of the team that can be successful anymore... maybe.
@nickjanecke6688
@nickjanecke6688 7 ай бұрын
I can still enjoy Five Years Later, at least up until Giffen left. It’s when they rebooted with Zero Hour that they really lost me. I LIKED that the Legion had like 30 years of continuity to mine, up until that point.
@ampatrao
@ampatrao 7 ай бұрын
This gentleman GETS it. Nuff said.
@Firevine
@Firevine 7 ай бұрын
Legion of Super Heroes is something I'm not particularly familiar with, but I still love the idea of. It's just so comic booky. I don't even mind the old kitsch. It's so fun.
@kenfrederick6223
@kenfrederick6223 7 ай бұрын
Blok of the Legion Of Super Heroes used to eat a lot of Arby's roast beef.
@ricwoodward1569
@ricwoodward1569 3 ай бұрын
Great video!! Long Live the Legion! Loved all the eras for what each brought to the table... however, never read the Bendis era.
@rocketraccoon1976
@rocketraccoon1976 7 ай бұрын
LSH was so cool!! Started with Five Years Later, then collected back issues from Paul Levitz era. Followed it a bit after Zero Hour, but gave up soon after, cause I was really invested in the two legions, one adult and one still kids. It had so many interesting plotlines and devices: a mysterious clone copy of the legion, the Dominators taking over Earth, Earth getting destroyed, the Timber Wolf/Furball mystery, Celeste Rockfish becoming a living Green Lantern energy being, Tenzil Kim's (Matter-Eater Lad) zany antics. Lots of humor and lots of emotional moments at the same time. Some of the rare good things after Zero Hour: XS, a Barry Allen descendant, I really liked her and the Legion didn't have a dedicated speedster before her. Phantom Girl being displaced into the 20th century and the whole L.E.G.I.O.N. and R.E.B.E.L.S. series. Live Wire joining the competing Workforce.
@AL-ws5yi
@AL-ws5yi 7 ай бұрын
The Legion of Superheroes is like Doom Patrol to me. Had its glory days in the past and now it’s just a byword in the history of DC.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
Legion Of Super-Heroes is very superior to Doom Patrol. It's pure Silver Age optimism without the shades of gray of modern era.
@jamessimms3449
@jamessimms3449 7 ай бұрын
I loved the cartoon in the mid 2000s. Great memories.
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
Really wish they had gone for a third and fourth season. There were so many Legionairres and stories to have been done.
@tammydj9941
@tammydj9941 7 ай бұрын
X-Men and marvel. LSH and deecee. For me. Both got f**ked over by their respective IP owners. Both X-Men and LSH are endless possibilities. Claremont. Levitz. Childhood/Teen age memories I both cherished. Both beloved and are embers to me now. Mabuhay!
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
Do you think that's due to the fact that both franchises lost having one person in control, to being written by committee?
@RustyBotStudios
@RustyBotStudios 6 ай бұрын
One of the first comic books I got as a child in the 1970s was at a 7/eleven on the way home from the shore and it was one of those oversized comic books and it was the legion of super heroes. It’s the most beat up comic book I own.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 7 ай бұрын
I wish I had more Legion comics. I've enjoyed them in what I have read of them (random back issues from every era, Great Darkness trade, Crisis, Millennium, Pocket Universe Saga, Time & Time Again, other Superman guest appearances, Zero Hour, Final Night, Mark Waid's run, Final Crisis, Legion of 3 Worlds...I liked the setup in Bendis' run [the world building, not so much the characters], even though he went nowhere with it and no one really picked it up after he left).
@kidicarus2215
@kidicarus2215 7 ай бұрын
The only Legion I'm really familiar with, is the version from the cartoons. I remember enjoying it for what it was. It's nice to know why people liked the comics.
@TheComicBinge
@TheComicBinge 7 ай бұрын
We’ve been doing a Legion dive with your Buddy Joe and I’ve been so stoked to be finally taking the dive. Just got done covering Shooter. Loved it.
@RP-ve7bl
@RP-ve7bl 7 ай бұрын
Nostalgia for the 80s, rather than the late 50s or 60s when the Legion was really popular.
@illithidlore
@illithidlore 7 ай бұрын
Hickman had a massive treatment written up for Legion, but Dan Didio said they only had the budget for Bendis OR Hickman and they couldn't get both...so they went with Bendis and the rest is history.
@shengcer
@shengcer 7 ай бұрын
It’s always Bendis coming in before Hickman. Remember new avengers -> Hickavengers? Now that Bendis has written LOSH, the possibility is always there!
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
Hickman ruined the X-Men. I don't wanna see him ruin the Legion of Super-Heroes too. Legion storylines always are idealistic.
@illithidlore
@illithidlore 7 ай бұрын
@EvandroACruz Hickman didn't ruin the X-Men, I'm not a fan of the Krakoan Era but it's a marked improvement from where the X-Universe was before HOX/POX.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
@@illithidlore No he ruined the X-Men, make all them in villains and killers. In Avengers we see the them willing to destroy another Earths. The LOSH don't needs this cynical shit. They are the symbol of the Silver Age optimism and undying idealistic outlook. I don't wanna see somebody removing the No killing rule of the team or make them killers. Very few can write them in nowadays.
@SamGuthrie1977
@SamGuthrie1977 7 ай бұрын
@@EvandroACruz I agree. Hickman on Legion would be painful; it'd be dour, pretentious, morally gray, and agonizingly paced. He should be writing RPG guides, not comics.
@dgc2540
@dgc2540 7 ай бұрын
I was a big fan of Legion back in the 80s and had most of the books from that era. Both Legion and Titans kind of lost me when they started doing the weird thing of newstands getting one version of the book and the comic shops getting another version, and the newsstands would get the comic shop stories a year later. Not having a comic shop near me then and my newsstand occasionally getting a comic shop version made it awkward to follow stories and i lost interest in both books. I like Perchs take on the book, but I did have an issue with it being in the future. It always felt forced on how Superman could go into the future and then he couldnt and how they could go into the past but only at certain points. Then when Crisis happened and they had Brainiac 5 crying over Supergirl's death it made no sense. As either you already knew for years when she was going to die, or why didnt you go back into the past and just save her. So what i would have done when they did Crisis was use the opportunity to do one of two things to the book. Either bring everything into the present but its another earth on the far side of the galaxy, so you have little to no interaction with the rest of the DC universe. Or two you move the book into a new universe that is separate from the the Earth 1 universe, and again end contact with the present. They could still remember past adventures so they havent forgotten Superman or Super Girl, but they no longer do time travel and do future interactions. The book is on its own to make stories and build its own universe. I thought the stories in the 80s were great. You got new characters introduced you had focus on different characters and groups. You had compelling villains and real character growth. When Projectra killed Nemisis for invading her planet and enslaving it and then killing her husband (Karate Kid), it was a big sign of growing up for her. She was now queen of a planet and had those responsibilities. The Legions rules had to take a back seat and if it meant she was out of the Legion, for doing what she needed to do for her planet then so be it. The Great Darkness Saga was a great read and probably one of my favorite storylines. You can still get the graphic novel of the whole run and I recommend getting it if you havent read it.
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
Feel your pain. Comic Book Stores don't do well where I live. Nearest one is two hundred forty miles, and they constantly get sold out of titles.
@adamfrey4920
@adamfrey4920 7 ай бұрын
Now it's an 11 am Perch, 10 central. I'm lost.
@AL-ws5yi
@AL-ws5yi 7 ай бұрын
Hope you’re having a good trip.
@adamfrey4920
@adamfrey4920 7 ай бұрын
@@AL-ws5yi I'm surviving. My sleep schedule is totally thrown though.
@gqd1975
@gqd1975 7 ай бұрын
There are almost no writers working today that could write the legion well. Maybe Hickman.
@lordd794
@lordd794 7 ай бұрын
Warren Ellis, or Chris Claremont, as well as Hickman, would be good.
@gqd1975
@gqd1975 7 ай бұрын
@@lordd794agreed but Claremont's contract with Marvel prevents him writing outside of Marvel and Warren Ellis is still kind of cancelled. Not sure but I don't think DC or Marvel will hire him.
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
Hickman ruined the X-Men. I don't wanna see him ruin the Legion of Super-Heroes too. Legion storylines always are idealistic. The same to Warren Ellis.
@nickjanecke6688
@nickjanecke6688 7 ай бұрын
I’d have agreed with you before experiencing Hickman’s X-Men fiasco. Now my faith in him is shaken.
@Brakdayton
@Brakdayton 7 ай бұрын
@@gqd1975Claremont did an issue and he didn’t understand the characters at all. Saturn girl was essentially Jean Grey in a blond wig.
@Solitaire001
@Solitaire001 5 ай бұрын
LoSH was the first title that I read and it was my favorite, and I'm sad to see what has been done with The Legion. I stayed with it until the Three-Boot Legion which killed my interest in it because it went so far afield of the original Legion. I don't fault the early Creative Teams for the problems because they were dealing with issues forced on them due to events occurring elsewhere in the DCU (such as Superman no longer being a Superboy), they were doing their best to deal with the problems they were handed. I think the Pocket Universe Superboy was a workable patch to the problem of Superman not having been a Superboy and if it had been allowed to stand it might have allowed the original Legion to continue without a need for a reboot. But then, that patch wasn't allowed and that led to the three-issue sidestep (which replaced Superboy and Supergirl with Valor and Laurel Gand). That to me was the beginning of the end for the original Legion, and it ending up forcing the complete reboot of the Legion in conjunction with "Zero Hour." I found the rebooted Legion to be a return to greatness, freed from the continuity mess that had been. I liked some of the changes, such as each of Triad's three bodies having a different personality, and some of the new members like Monstress, Gates, and Xs. Unfortunately, it soon started to go in a not-good-direction with the team being split up between the 20th and 30th Centuries, and the "Legion Lost" series. Although I enjoyed "The Legion of Three Words" (although it didn't seem to have anything to do with "Final Crisis"), it emphasized an issue I've had with The Legion. If my count is right there have been seven different versions of The Legion*, and at least four of them are still around. Sorry to go on a bit. I hope to see The Legion return to the greatness that it had under Levitz and Giffen. To me, a solution is to introduce a new Legion and have an event happen shortly after it is formed that causes it's timeline to split off from the main DC timeline. Nothing that occurs in the main DC timeline after the split will alter the Legion but the split creates a barrier that can't breached (much like the old "Iron Curtain of Time" prevented The Legion from traveling more that 10 minutes into the future). *The versions are: Original, Rewritten (Superboy replaced with Valor), Legionnaires (a time split from the Rewritten Legion), Reboot, Threeboot, Post "Doomsday Clock" (The Bendis Legion), and The Original if "Crisis on Infinite Earths" hadn't happened.
@ExplodingPrinny
@ExplodingPrinny 7 ай бұрын
It may be surprising, but the animated series back in the mid 2000's got me into them. I need to get some old omnis or something.
@seannyhan2254
@seannyhan2254 7 ай бұрын
Love the that team shot. Is that Lee Moder? @#$@ , I jut googled him and found out he died last year. After Giffen and Grell, he was my favorite Legion artist. The Legion is one of my favorite comics of all time. I love that they're unteatherd from present day continuity and creative teams can do pretty much whatever they want. I have not cared for recent runs on the Legion. 5 yeas Later was where I came in, and that morphed into post-Zero Hour legion, which was also good. I appreciated that they didnt' feel the need to recreate all the classic legion stories, but instead did something new. Going back, I loved the Levitz/ Giffen era, and even older runs by Dave Cocrum and Mike Grell were awesome. Really enjoyed the Abnett/Lanning/Copiel collaboration. Waid/Kitson didn't do it for me, and everything since then, eving bringing back Shooter and Levitz, has been down hill. Didn't read Bendis' run. The Legion has been kinda %$#@ed since Crisis on Infinite Earths. Deleting Superboy, erased the Legion's inspiration, and it's reason for being. They've tried various ret-cons to replace Superboy - Valor, Connor Kent, Supergirl. Because of the constant rebooting of the universe after each event, nothing really clicked. Favorite Legion issue: Legion of Substitute Heroes Special #1 (1985), by Giffen and Levitz) Top 5 favorite legionaires: 1) Matter Eater Lad 2) Wildfire 3) Shadow Lass 4) Lightning Lad / Livewire 5) Shrinking Violet. Sweet #$@#ing Cristmas! Keep Hickman the $#@% away from the Legion!
@carlgibson285
@carlgibson285 7 ай бұрын
That team shot is Alan Davis. I completely agree with pretty much everything you said, including best Legion comic. That Legion Of Substitute Heroes Special is brilliant!
@EvandroACruz
@EvandroACruz 7 ай бұрын
Best Super-Hero Team of all times in my opinion. The most idealistic and aspirational of all. The Legion always was of a main DC teams alongside The Justice League and the Teen Titans. Sad that Zero Hour destroyed the original version and no new version was so good like the Pre-Crisis Era. Bendis Legion was a joke. The team are in a editorial limbo since the past decade. But I'm afraid that no new modern writer can write the Legion today. Hickman destroyed the X-Men franchise. The Legion is a very Silver Age oriented storylines and modern writers don't understand the heroism concept. I don't wanna see a cynical take in these characters, never. I had enough with the actual X-Men books in nowadays. I just don't wanna to see another superhero classic team ruined too.
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
Bless you. I can't take anymore cynicism either.
@mynardomacaraig2697
@mynardomacaraig2697 7 ай бұрын
What were the years when Legion of Superheroes really sold well? I get the impression that the Five Years Later era that Perch loves so well was actually a 'down' period for the book.
@abrax_7
@abrax_7 7 ай бұрын
From their creation in the late 50's to Crisis on Infinite Earths.
@lordd794
@lordd794 7 ай бұрын
Mostly eighties
@abrax_7
@abrax_7 7 ай бұрын
@@lordd794 They were a boost to Superboy, Action and Adventure all through the 60's where they were serialized and were the best selling title in the 70's as Superboy and The Legion of Superheroes before they took over the Superboy title and numbering in the 80's even before they restarted in their own title at #1 so I suppose that may be accurate but they were the reason Superboy sold well.
@geekynerd7346
@geekynerd7346 7 ай бұрын
They sold well in the late 1960s when they were in Adventure Comics
@Carlos8560
@Carlos8560 7 ай бұрын
I dove into the legion about a year ago and it’s been a blast! Some of the most fun silver age stories and the Great Darkness saga might be the most epic storylines in all of comics! I just wish DC would keep their books in print. I could’ve gotten a lot farther but certain volumes are out of print.
@davidendacott167
@davidendacott167 7 ай бұрын
Me too Perch, me too. LLL.
@shengcer
@shengcer 7 ай бұрын
Retroactively looking back, I agree the biggest disappointment Bendis brought over to DC was his reluctance to take huge risk. I’ve started to read his work at Marvel recently, and I cannot believe this is the same guy that DC used to hire over.
@gabrielalarcon5462
@gabrielalarcon5462 7 ай бұрын
Never met a LOSH fan.
@BladeStar-uq6xe
@BladeStar-uq6xe 3 сағат бұрын
The Time Jump drove me away from Legion. I went back to the 1960s so I loved Legion until then.
@ascorvinus
@ascorvinus 7 ай бұрын
The Legion is a blind spot in my own comics reading, I have to admit. But the concept seems like it could be a truly epic space opera. The Jetsons with superpowers sounds like a failure of imagination.
@Kuikkamies
@Kuikkamies 7 ай бұрын
What's the best starting point with the Legion?
@atomichound1868
@atomichound1868 7 ай бұрын
There’s several depending on your appetite for Silver Age comics, but I recommend the Bronze Age. There were a couple of recent hardcover collections of Superboy and the Legion that start the Paul Levitz era. Earlier than that, you’re looking at the Archive Editions which are long out of print and quite pricey on the secondary market.
@seannyhan2254
@seannyhan2254 7 ай бұрын
I came into the 5 years later era cold. Not knowing the background was no handicap. The post Zero Hour reboot is a good starting point, too.
@abrax_7
@abrax_7 7 ай бұрын
Missing all those silver-age stories would be a shame, I would suggest picking up the Legion silver-age omnibus volumes or reading what you can on the DC Infinite service first.
@lordd794
@lordd794 7 ай бұрын
Great Darkness Saga, then you can either go forward from there, or go back and start with the Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes run.
@Red-Wolf-Ben
@Red-Wolf-Ben 5 ай бұрын
I'd either start with the very first Legion story in the late fifties, or if you'd rather skip the early silver age stuff, start with "One of Us Is a Traitor." The Legion Archives are good for either of those.
@InfamyOrDeath-__-
@InfamyOrDeath-__- 7 ай бұрын
I never really read any Legion stories, I read one or two modern stories but haven’t read any of these old ones.
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 7 ай бұрын
You pretty much had to read pre-crisis Legion to understand the legion because after the reboot with crisis they really didn't make any sense after that they haven't since either the new 52 they didn't fit in and rebirth they don't fit in because if there was never a Superboy that's the whole point of the Legion you got to have Superboy and without that what's the point of the legion but they used to be at one time I'm pretty sure they were DC's best-selling comic pre-crisis at one point they were that popular they were their number one comic it's just post crisis pretty much destroyed them destroyed them
@InfamyOrDeath-__-
@InfamyOrDeath-__- 7 ай бұрын
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrYea Perch said that before, at one point it was the best selling comic. It’s the exact type of comic that I prefer, I love stories that take place on different planets.
@atomichound1868
@atomichound1868 7 ай бұрын
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrLegion and New Teen Titans were the bellcows for the DC line Pre-Crisis.
@sboinkthelegday3892
@sboinkthelegday3892 7 ай бұрын
"Comics" were never slated for possibility, even the name speaks for that, "comic", just like "cartoon" a holdover from trivial gag comedy pulp. People can barely tell what they're looking at, and just compare it to what they understand and is comfortable. EVERY NEW IP should be your "post time skip Legion of Superheroes", but it isn't because again, that kind of marketing is just not possible to all the spoiler-shy manchildren. Who couldn't get in touch with high school friends after skipping during college, let alone actually support new IP. Maybe you cringe at hipsterism in daily life, but this "escapist power fantasy" is to do exactly that and enjoy the "story" purely on the "you had to be there to get it" basis. That's NOT a story. Stories intersect and you can focus on different things, live with people like Jimi Hendrix without worshiping at the altar of his bootleg Woodstock recording. These current generations are the ONLY ones who are crying about "why do it again when the old one still exists", and before that, there was Beethoven. Entire orchestras and solo pianists. Anyway, I like Dorohedoro and Undead Unluck, Your Lie in April is something I recently read. Which is a good drop-off point to the insanity of how Welcome to the Ballroom is told. After that you might as well read Baki or Rainbow.
@abrax_7
@abrax_7 7 ай бұрын
I would suggest you check out the Legion right from the start with an omnibus, if you have a feel for silver-age comics they are some of the best.
@ferrarriohh
@ferrarriohh 7 ай бұрын
I’d love to pitch a DC story with Legion x Green Lantern Corps. Have it be DS9, with John Stewart serving aboard a satellite positioned around effectively a time tunnel that anchors the 31st Century of LoSh to 2025 DC. This way past and future heroes can work together solving time travel based problems.
@ComicsOdyssey
@ComicsOdyssey 7 ай бұрын
I like this
@ferrarriohh
@ferrarriohh 7 ай бұрын
@@ComicsOdyssey thank you buddy
@FlameForgedSoul
@FlameForgedSoul 7 ай бұрын
That energy was heavily prevalent in the Prophet and (sadly cut short) Glory reboots over at Image. It is an energy soreley lacking, in an Age of Lacking.
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 7 ай бұрын
If you don't have Superboy I repeat how can you have the legion that was the whole point of them and Superboy is no longer part of continuity the original Superboy I mean that doesn't exist anymore so unless DC redo their continuity which they really need to do they need to go back to the post crisis Universe with no Multiverse no Omniverse none of that and then you can redo the legion make it to wear Superboy did have his adventures with them and redo the universe back to the pre-crisis universe without the Multiverse though my favorite universe is the pre-crisis universe if you remove the Multiverse Earth 1 precisely universe
@ferrarriohh
@ferrarriohh 7 ай бұрын
Bendis fixed that by making Jonathan Kent the inspiration (not Superboy/Kal-El) for the Legion! Isn’t he so creative.
@BruceWayne-ri4wr
@BruceWayne-ri4wr 7 ай бұрын
@@ferrarriohh yeah he's real creative LOL he set the stage for him to be turned into a homosexual so I can't stand Bendis
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 7 ай бұрын
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr 1: bisexual 2: what in the world is wrong with that 3: Bendis had nothing to do with that besides implementing the extremely lazy, tired trope of aging him up which allowed the next writer to write about his love life at all: Bendis had him dating Saturn Girl
@Solitaire001
@Solitaire001 4 ай бұрын
@@ferrarriohh Actually it was fixed in the Reboot Legion. They simply made it where the Legion was inspired by the heroes of the 20th Century, not just Superman/Superboy.
@Bolbi145
@Bolbi145 7 ай бұрын
What do you think of the legion cartoon, perch?
@earlsmith7428
@earlsmith7428 7 ай бұрын
I'm not perch, but are you talking about the mid 2000's animated series? Or are you talking about the recent Supergirl and the Legion of SuperHeroes DVD?
@Bolbi145
@Bolbi145 7 ай бұрын
@@earlsmith7428 both
@scotmooney6543
@scotmooney6543 7 ай бұрын
Preach
@fernandomata3425
@fernandomata3425 7 ай бұрын
Very big fan of the Legion. The only one volume i almost left in horror was Bendis. What a disgrace of a writer. Ryan Sook was sublime ibmust say, but thecwriting was assasination characters everywhere
@ferrarriohh
@ferrarriohh 7 ай бұрын
I got so excited when that book came out. It was total drivel. Painful reading just vol 1. What he does is just retcon characters for “diversity”. I read Legion back when Invisible Kid II was hunting down Wildfire*, there was no shortage of diversity in LoSh!
@SuperHDJ_
@SuperHDJ_ 7 ай бұрын
Legion always give off a B tier feel to them like Marvels Thunderbolts
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve
@PaballoKobe-xh9ve 7 ай бұрын
Thats such a post 90s thing though cause they were so popular that they had 4 books named legion at some point. Its like Tarzan or Doc Savage where they used to sell millopns and millopns amd were a big part of the zeitgeist but we moved on without them. Its so weird
@Ranben.
@Ranben. 7 ай бұрын
Comics become B-tier through neglect. The first 50, maybe 64 issues of Thunderbolts are A-tier and what followed wasn't, so people only remember the worst. The Legion with the curse of constant retcons is the same.
@swallace7447
@swallace7447 7 ай бұрын
It's a shame you won't see this for a year. But if THAT is what you really liked about The Legion then you NEED to read Alien Legion. Oft described as "The Foreign Legion IN SPACE". It's real good.
@365partybeau
@365partybeau 7 ай бұрын
I hate the legion now because of Bendis. I will never see them the same way again.
@BladeStar-uq6xe
@BladeStar-uq6xe 3 сағат бұрын
I grew up in the 1960s, I could read by 1964! Even with Marvel slowly stealing me away Legion of Super Heroes was my favorite Comic! I was so upset when they were booted out of Adventure Comics and then loved it a few years later when they got their own title. I was a lifetime Legion fan, I bought every issue. Until the Keith Giffon era. His art and storytelling was awful IMO. He improved in both areas years later, but it ruined Legion for me. I absolutely hated all the later reboots as well, only liking the mini series with Superman as that was the Legion I remembered!
@Eyrrll
@Eyrrll 7 ай бұрын
I have tried several times over the last 40+ years to read the Legion, but I have just never been able to get into it. I never thought it was bad… just not good enough to stick with.
@lordd794
@lordd794 7 ай бұрын
If you’re new to it, I would avoid the silver age stuff(a little campy), and the nineties stuff. Stick to seventies and eighties.
@Eyrrll
@Eyrrll 7 ай бұрын
@@lordd794 I read the Great Darkness Saga recently, which I was not blown away by, but I did like it. I took two or three other stabs at it over the years. I tried in the 80s, then the 90s, then some vintage books, then again during New 52. The best (for me) was probably during the New 52… but there were a lot of other New 52 titles that I liked more, so it got squeezed out. I didn’t hate any of it, but somehow it just never grabbed me. (And I can’t really put a finger on why.)
@sketchasaurrex4087
@sketchasaurrex4087 7 ай бұрын
And.... You've sold me on reading another comic series. It wasn't enough to get me reading One Piece was it?
@valeriemcdonald440
@valeriemcdonald440 7 ай бұрын
Poor Jetsons, catching strays. I didn't know everyone thought the writing was bad when I was like 6 and it was on in reruns.
@wendellstephens6311
@wendellstephens6311 7 ай бұрын
Jonathan Hickman coming to the Legion of Super Heroes would be dope. I'd like to see what he'd do with the concept.
@Ranben.
@Ranben. 7 ай бұрын
The guy who wrote Krakoa shouldnt be allowed anywhere near the Legion.
@JO-uy6zs
@JO-uy6zs 7 ай бұрын
I hate Legion. Boring sci fi
@ericw8478
@ericw8478 7 ай бұрын
Considering how good he was on team books, did Perez ever draw the Legion? Outside of a possible appearance in Crisis.
@mysticalmonotreme
@mysticalmonotreme 7 ай бұрын
He did in Legion of Three Worlds.
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