Why I'm Bored of High School Spider-Man

Lately, we've only really gotten to see Spider-Man in a high school setting and I think this is pretty limiting.
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[@MelodicQuest]

Peter was done so well in PS4. He's broke and homeless, he's got his job assisting Octavius, and his relationship with MJ was that of a mature, separated couple trying to patch things up. A conversation with Peter has with MJ really stuck with me. They talk about how when they were high school kids, Peter, MJ, and Harry spent an entire day lost in New York trying to get to Coney Island. With all the responsibilities they have now, they don't get to have carefree adventures like that anymore. But Peter takes comfort in the fact that his efforts as Spider-Man keep the city safe and allow other carefree teens to have their own adventures. It a very small moment in an action packed game but it perfectly encapsulates who Peter Parker is.

[@markmolino6091]

Agreed .PS4 Spiderman way superior to the MCU Spiderman .Cuz they got the identity of spiderman right compared to MCU spiderman who is an idiot who have it easy.

[@paddytguitar]

Exactly.

[@DGenHero]

@@markmolino6091 he's not an idiot.

[@lukeroth638]

Big agree, loved the aunt may stuff too.

[@markmolino6091]

@@DGenHero ,I think the scene in far from home where he shoots his webbing at a monster made of water is proof that he is an idiot.

[@animeguy1101]

I’m a little surprised Drake didn’t mention the 90’s animated show. That was how I was first introduced to Spider-Man, and many others, and it took place during his college years. It fits what he’s talking in this video so well, Peter and MJ get married in it for one example.

[@Purgosmusic]

Same

[@DDRMR]

Was just gonna say, it's how I was first exposed to Spidey and him being more adult was so much more bad ass

[@mysterycupofjoe2670]

Same here and I love those years. Just finishing college and heading into responsibilities, I love those years. This is why Futurama is one of my favorite shows as well. They hit that nice age where possibilities are open.

[@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805]

The 6 armed Spidey really scared me as a kid, seeing him transform into a Spider made me stop watching it for some time lol

[@Werewolf914]

Same that's what I grew up watching (and Batman TAS, Superman TAS,and X-Men but Spidey was my favorite) I'd say 85-90% of what I know about Spider-Man came from that cartoon

[@KathyXie]

Miles Morales is going to be a teenager in high school for like the next 30 years

[@mikemorro140]

eh I don't know Miles has aged pretty quick like he's 17 right now so in another few years he'll probably be in college

[@Dwyer-nl9fz]

Mike Morro so they’re gonna just rehash everything Peter did. Meh

[@vinnieg007]

Archie was in High School for more than 70 years

[@wr654]

@@Dwyer-nl9fz Miles going to college is rehashing? Really? Dude take off the hate goggles.

[@Dwyer-nl9fz]

wr654 Take off your Bonner goggles. It is just rehashing

[@denwell1596]

I hate when writers don’t let spider-man grow like one more day and constantly getting Peter back at the bugle

[@DSoulA3]

"YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS DAMN DOOR!"

[@tonk3878]

Absolute class.

[@mr.ditkovich3672]

NO

[@helloimvic7451]

3 > homecoming

[@Geck0GC]

This is actually why I love the idea of having Miles as another Spider-Man. Miles can be the highschool Spider-Man, while Peter can be the adult Spider-Man.

[@Gemidori]

Idea of a genius right here

[@comixproviderftw_02]

"If editorial REFUSES to let him move on from his high school life, then why the hell isn't he still there?" -Linkara, 2012

[@TevyaSmolka]

Indeed like I don’t get editorial logic of not letting Peter Parker Spider-Man growing up

[@spartida3850]

Tevya Smolka I think the logic is “that’s what readers are familiar with, it’s what’s been making us money. we should stick to it” even though it’s been getting hella stale for long time readers. which makes even less sense as to why they do it as most of their sales comes from long time readers

[@mediabaron2416]

In the comics, Peter is by now in his early thirties, possibly late twenties. His high school days are a distant memory. The closest we get nowadays is him in higher education. It would be a smart idea to start having media outside of comics reflect this status quo. That way, you start drawing in new readers without confusing them as to why Peter is suddenly a grown adult. If you want high school drama, that's Miles' department now.

[@AkumaKristian]

I know it's not the point of your comment but it's kind of amazing that he is still pumping out weekly videos.

[@matti.8465]

There's this obsession in the editorial of always keeping characters the way they're perceived by the general public. But the WAY you get to update that perception is making a change and sticking to it. Worked with Harley Quinn. She's arguably as or better know for her post-Joker self than her classic self.

[@JcgLounge]

PS4 Spider-Man did his story fantastically by taking him out of school and having him in his own place juggling multiple jobs and still trying to be NY’s friendly neighborhood Spidey, all in his mid 20s I believe.

[@isaiahdavis5957]

He was Homeless for a Majority of the Game.....

[@WarmLillie]

The fun with high school spiderman is just like high school. It’s a lot of fun but for a limited amount time and it’s a lot of work.

[@bluevelocity9166]

I was literally thinking the thing. High school Spider-Man is a lot more “fun” but also limited.

[@spideratty1517]

I do like Spider-Man better when he is in college and in grownup except his origin story when he was in high school

[@StudioHannah]

I think that’s why I liked Spiderverse so much. We did get Miles in high school, but we got a couple of adult Spider-Men, too, in Peter B. and Noir. And Spider-Gals! It is nice seeing different kinds of stories than ones you can have with a high school character. But I also say this as an adult.... though I do remember being in high school and being interested in adult Spider-Man stories even back then.

[@RickReasonnz]

Why you be leaving out the porcine of the group, you DAMN speciest!

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

@@RickReasonnz *[Hulkbunny and Captain Americat would like to know your location.]*

[@mayotango1317]

Peter B Parker is a loser.

[@sabilsadat]

This man gets it. College and young adult Spidey are the best periods of Spidey

[@MOMOFCJ6]

Especially parker industries

[@justinlawrence7584]

Have the spider bite happen in high school. Then MOVE THE HELL ON

[@kermaldesign]

i can’t help but agree, high school spider-man is a very... veerrryyy.... overinflated cinema theme. would love to see older spider-man, much like the PS4 game and in into the spider verse.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Especially with Into the Spider-Verse.

[@skullythekidd0175]

Same

[@farmerproductions9869]

kermalgam well it’s underexamined in the movies beyond the mcu since most have him graduate in the first or second movie

[@xerohcool]

I came to comment something similar. I LOVE both Spiderverse and Spidey PS4! Leaning a bit more towards PS4 as my go to Peter.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

Well it was great in the first raimi movie and then they moved on. Every new reboot just tells a worse version of it and is so tired.

[@jcv8505]

NEVER HAVE I BEEN SO OFFENDED by something i 100% agree with.

[@maxalain9948]

This infuriated me but I couldn't say anything about it cuz he's right

[@killshot3682]

I 95% agree but when he said peter was outdated i got pissed

[@stanfordfeynman2796]

It also sort of bothers me that most High School Spidey adaptions skip out on Ditko era Peter’s personality entirely. Almost all of them pull Peter’s demeanor from either early USM, the Raimi movies, or late 616. Even Spectacular Spider-Man despite its HUGE influence of the Ditko and Romita years, mixed many various personalities together from previous Spidey media into a melting pot of sorts for him (albiet it’s way more balanced than most, so it works). Personally, I loved Ditko era Peter so much, and it’s a shame we don’t see it often. The closest I’ve seen him be adapted is surprisingly Spider-Man TNAS, which is odd since that show took place in college and loosely followed the first Raimi movie.

[@Bad_At_Parties]

I think at this point in Spider-Man's long run, there's a list of adjectives that define the character, and that's what creators try to inject into their stories (when they're successful) to get the right mix for fans and casual audiences alike, just like they have done for Batman. All I really ask for with interpretations is that Peter is a good hearted kid who always does the best he can even when the universe punishes him for it, and stands up for his principles. Other elements can be interchanged or warped in degree from there, but that core has to be present otherwise he isn't that character to me.

[@widdlewanwon]

Agreed

[@laughslapproductions4690]

*I’m sure by now Spider-Man’s pretty bored of high school too.*

[@captainbirch9835]

I've been here since the sixties, I just want to graduate!

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

The 90s Spider-Man show he was in college Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends he was in college MTV's Spiderman he was in college to Sam raimi's Trilogy he was in college a lot of media actually portrays him as a college student rather than a High School student

[@INFERNO95]

The last decade he been in high school in both cartoons and movies.

[@mikemorro140]

@@INFERNO95 yeah it's kind of why I never got why a lot of people still see him as a high school kid though cause like yeah the last decade is more recent but there have still been more animated series, comics, and movies with him out of high school than in it

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

@@INFERNO95 yeah your right all though out the 2010s

[@luminus9556]

Spectacular was set in High school but it had a lot of elements from the college era. It's how Spider-Man relationships should be imo.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

Three compared to more places in high school

[@spideratty1517]

Spectacular Spider-Man was the best high school Spider-Man

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

Now i will say I like Spider-Man in high school in spectacular Spider-Man cartoon series, I think the ps4 version is the best version. I will send this video to everyone

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

Spider-Man should move on

[@youtubersworldwide3713]

@@sonicathehedgehog7488 naaa I prefer old man Spider

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

@@youtubersworldwide3713 well I respect your opinion

[@youtubersworldwide3713]

@@sonicathehedgehog7488 did you even read old man Spider?

[@sonicathehedgehog7488]

@@youtubersworldwide3713 wait you life story, or is that a differnt story I need to check that out because it sounds pretty cool tho.

[@calebxcuyugan]

I was down for a teenage Peter in Homecoming because I assumed that they would quite literally give him more room to grow, but so far his progression in the MCU hasn’t really taken off nearly as much as I hoped for. By Far From Home, I was expecting him to already be in College or at least Graduating and starting to transition to college, but then Thanos snapped him away.

[@lunasperidot8760]

Next movie probably

[@user-oz2pd9ye6z]

It's not really something they have any control over really, that's just a side effect of these movies. The year they come out in is the year it takes place in. Granted it was different with endgame, but that was because it's a big thing that affected everyone. You can't have a time skip that affects everyone else in a smaller movie that doesn't really affect much of the universe.

[@calebxcuyugan]

0 8 yeah, I guess that’s true

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@calebxcuyugan as an MCU Spider-Man fan I'd love homecoming and thought his character progression would go further and far from home but didn't which disappointed me maybe the third movie since Kevin feige confirms its going to be a Peter Focus movie.

[@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd]

at least when tom holland gets older then they have put him in college and showing him as an adult

[@ItsUrBoi]

I don’t agree that the high school element to Peter is “crucial to who he is”. Just look at Spider-Man PS4. The only mentions to high school in that are through optional collectable items. The story never once mentions high school, unless it’s a joke. We still understand who he is without him being a dorky high school kid. Sadly, that’s really the only example because most media portray him as still in school. I do agree with the actual point of the video. Peter’s nearing thirty in the comics and for the past almost twenty years, we’ve been getting essentially the exact same stories, just with a different coat of paint.

[@alexman378]

Yeah, but that wasn’t our first introduction to him, he’s been pretty well established.

[@awesomesharkhand1876]

I've seen a lot of people hand out this take that they're tired of high school Spider-Man and will I understand and respect it, I'm alright with high school Spider-Man. I'm a high schooler right now, and growing up with Spider-Man, one of the reasons he was my favorite character was that he was a kid, like me. I understood and emphasized with a lot of his struggles, balancing the multiple components in his life, being bullied and picked on. I think that older fans want the character to grow up with them and keep that sense that the character is them, and I think that Spider-Man should be able to grow up. Stories of him as an adult and in college are also amazing. But I've always been partial to story of a boy who had to become a man and grow and evolve throughout the years, which is why high school Spider-Man is probably my favorite version of the character.

[@Galvatronover]

The problem is that the people grow up and someday you will to an so will I and someday Peter must

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

I agree with everything you just said

[@Galvatronover]

DC marvel comicfans me

[@mayotango1317]

"Relatable" that is the poison.

[@eastsidereviews727]

I think that's why I enjoyed the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, he was an adult and was able to show more of his life.

[@VXMasterson]

This is why I like Miguel O'Hara so much. He deals with family drama (he has a mentally ill mother and a brother with an addiction), romantic drama (he's engaged to his brother's ex in issue 1), work drama (his boss drugs him), all on top of being a vigilante in a very corporate future America. He's like in his mid-20s and is introduced as more-or-less having life figured out until it starts going off the rails and he gets his powers. Definitely recommend reading Peter David, Rick Leonardi, and Al Williamson's Spider-Man 2099 Classic

[@cosmicman6201]

Me too I really want Spider-Man to be in college or an adult. Well since marvel takes place in the real world they need to change that to stay consistent to the real world we live in.

[@ChrisAnd]

If were talking media outside the comics I think we bairly get highschool spiderman. Rami trilogy, 90s cartoon, most video games start after highschool. Amazing spiderman was the most highschool we got and their peter was 30. Even the mcu only used highschool for the first movie and are seemingly done with it. The current cartoon puts him in a special science highschool were he can do whatever he wants without the pitfalls of normal school

[@slothbaby2104]

but because they put him in a special science high school it makes him unrelatable so it is still a loss

[@awesomesharkhand1876]

​@@slothbaby2104 I go to a standard high school and there isn't any difference in the experience. I think that going to a science school isn't any different from normal school on anything other than surface level observations. Edit: I can't tell if you're talking about the MCU version or the new cartoon. I'm talking about the MCU version. My bad, I'm sorry if I got that wrong and misinterpreted what you said.

[@aldogrof6700]

Hey Comic Drake ..while unrelatedly am a Long time fan ..probably for about four -five years now..(99.99% u probably won't see this or bring this up but I try..at least),so I would love if you could bring this up in your next video(or even a podcast) if you could, about the overexposure of batman ,and how it gotten to the point where the character, his logic and certain storylines(i.e. dark knights metal and death metal) has become just ridiculously and almost tiring. How it affects other characters not getting their due or respect. MUCH APPRECIATED!

[@slothbaby2104]

@@awesomesharkhand1876 In the cartoon everyone is a mini Reed Richard that can build Laser gun, giant robots and other dumb sci fi weapons

[@icedcapplord710]

@@slothbaby2104 yeah visions academy in the cartoon was really stupid. Making Peter and his friends mini-Tony Starks or Reed Richards really takes the everyman relatability out of his personality

[@jessetorres8738]

I feel the same way about Power Rangers; the best Seasons (with 1 exception) were when the Rangers were college aged and not in high school.

[@hennis124]

FACTS!!! I actually really do prefer the older Rangers than the teenage ones

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

One of the things I loved most about digimon tri was that they were getting older, still heroes and definitely weren't going to stop being digidestined because of some arbitrary age limit but older and just not quite the same as they were.

[@thebossrayden]

In the comics he's way beyond that but in film hs spidey is fine for now. In the next trilogy lets have Tom be his real age- 20 something in Horizon/Connors internships and making ends meet taking photos

[@meep9231]

Exactly, cuz if they don’t break the cycle in the movies, we’re gonna have another Andrew Garfield

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

Agreed

[@blackphoenix77]

Spider-Man has had a major status quo problem for years: Marvel refuses to let him grow.

[@Wouter2312]

The two companies refuse to let any of their major characters grow or change. And if they do, some other writer or editor comes along a year later to change it back to the status quo.

[@Bezaliel13]

Yeah.

[@a-dub6434]

one more day would tell you that

[@thespiritofjonathanjoestar6805]

@@Wouter2312 Dan Didio for example

[@adobicanobi1303]

@@Wouter2312 unless it's multiverse

[@thespectaculargamernerd8114]

High school Spiderman is what I mostly read so it's admittedly my favorite. Spectacular Spider-Man is best high school spider man though

[@ThanosDestroyeryearsago]

3:09 you can still do that with a high school Spider-Man.

[@davidpolacheck5673]

Or we could have Peter be a teacher again... just a thought.

[@Azmodeus87]

Yeeeeeees!!!! As someone that grew up with Spider-man in the 90's, it's been pretty frustrating for some time now, to always see Spider-man portrayed as the bumbling kid he was in his earliest days. not only is it overstating his HS days (as you mentioned) but it also keeps people from seeing the most well known version of Peter from the comics: The really competent hero that just always have to much going on. I'd also make a case for daring to adapt more 90's Spiderstuff in general. It wasn't all Clone saga, people, and that didn't suck nearly as much as OMD, which we're still seeing material being adapted from.

[@animegamer31]

Honestly, I would love to see a series that had a focus on the mentor/student relationship between peter and miles. Like a Batman and Robin situation

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

Parker got the "Avenging Spider-Man" series where it was all team-ups with Avengers and other big-name characters for crossover stories, why not one with Morales too? I'd like to see two separate ones: one with Avengers and other major teams, and one with mentor-type team-ups with Jessica Drew, Julia Carpenter, Ben Reilly, Silk. I realize that second one sounds a lot like Spider-Verse but if it was focused on just the interactions for the team-up it'd be a whole different thing. I dunno, just a thought.

[@maxalain9948]

Spiderman Beyond Wait we already have that

[@mayotango1317]

No, you need to read the Mayday Parker comics.

[@Bad_At_Parties]

I think that's what the new Spider-Man games are going to give us, which will be cool.

[@mattwo7]

Young Justice Season 3: We're making Batman Incorporated a thing in this show, how about you Spider-Man 2017? You adding Parker Industries? Disney: Spider-Man has never owned a corporation, he's a teenager in high school. We don't know what you're talking about.

[@ethanmandengue3870]

While I do agree Peter in High School need to change the "Parker Industries" thing is not a good idea imo.

[@mattwo7]

@@ethanmandengue3870 Batman killing Joker is not a good idea but DKR was amazing. Went better than Batwoman killing her sister's kidnapper, _that's_ for sure.

[@hujan1744]

God NO, not Parker Industries, his Slott years were bad, don't give me anything related to Slott.

[@ethanmandengue3870]

@@mattwo7 Yeah but it was in a alternate universe. "Parker Industries" was in Earth 616 so I don't think it's similar.

[@mattwo7]

@@ethanmandengue3870 "Yeah but it was in a alternate universe" Doesn't matter, it violates everything Batman stands for.

[@GenerationWest]

I'm perfectly fine with highschool Peter, if you have it, make it incredibly important, or skip it. MCU Spider-Man made it important because we've never had a live action version focus on it, and their take NEEDED to be different, TASM kinda did for a movie, and Raimi's covered it for 20 minutes.That college idea is great because it was featured heavily in one interpretation, the MTV 2003 series, which had EVERYTHING I always wanted. Last thing, best use of it, Spectacular, tiring use of it... The 2017 show...

[@mayotango1317]

The Miles Morales stories is what you need.

[@katusakirocks5630]

Mayo Tango131 Comics Morales is a pretty lame character

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

2003 mtv series is my favorite as well

[@blackclover20]

@@katusakirocks5630 bruh mcu spidey is literally miles story, that's like sayin mcu spidey is boring which is true

[@flamecubes1098]

@@blackclover20 how so?

[@bthsr7113]

Based on the title, I'm guessing you concur with Linkara that Peter's stagnation as a character is dumb.

[@BenReillySpydr1962]

The Spectacular Spider-man cartoon did it best.

[@TevyaSmolka]

agreed

[@rcbmmines4579]

I agree. Strongly. 616 Peter hasn't been in High School since the 60s. A lot of great stories, most of them even, are in College and beyond.

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

MCU Peter Parker pretty much is comics Miles Morales. He even has Ned as his best friend instead of Harry even though Ned is literally a clone of Ganke (Miles’ friend in the comics). But if you think about it, making MCU Peter to be like Miles in the comics was probably the best thing to ever happen to Miles. Because his character was never that interesting back then when Brian Michael Bendis wrote for him. If it wasn’t a good character arc for Miles then it should never work for Peter, and we can already see with MCU Spider-Man, it’s not for a lot of people. So if it wasn’t for MCU Peter then we would’ve never gotten Spider-Verse Miles and finally seen his character redeemed and loved by many people instead of being forgotten and left behind in the comics.

[@Lucario2405]

What exactly do you mean with "lately we have only seen SM in a high-school setting"? Outside of the MCU and current animated show Peter is an adult, or at least in college, in all of the 616 comics, the video game and in every other movie. I think this video would have been a lot stronger if you had taken a bit of time to explain your exasperation with teenage Peter Parker before launching into your arguments, because currently, I don't really see your point.

[@pious83]

_"Outside of the MCU and current animated show"_ Those being the two most prominent forms of media exposure.

[@salad72057]

We've had Spectacular Spider-Man (great show), Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man (2019), the Amazing 1 and 2, Civil War, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Spider-Man Far From Home where's he's a teenager. Basically 8 shows/movies which would make a general audience believe that he's a teenager.

[@mikemorro140]

@@salad72057 He was in college in ASM 2

[@maxalain9948]

@@mikemorro140 but folks aren't a fan of that movie

[@mikemorro140]

@@maxalain9948 I know I'm just saying they had him in college in that one

[@Drowmerc]

Oh I agree. College Peter is a great one to use. To prove my point 90's animated series!

[@inkkid376]

Again miles is the teen Spider-Man we don't need Peter as a teen Spider-Man

[@doclouis4236]

Don't like High School Spider-man? Well too bad, this is what Disney's brand of Spider-man is essentially going to be like for a while now. This is how they're going to keep his status quo, unfortunately.

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Not really. The first Spiderman cartoon produced by Disney, ultimate Spiderman, had very little focus on his high school life and was more heavily focused on the super hero aspects of his life.

[@doclouis4236]

@@daltonwilliams1723 He was still in high school, wasn't he?

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Doc Louis he was, but only the first season had much of any focus on it. Although, a later season did have him basically go to a super-hero training school run by shield for a bit.

[@RickReasonnz]

Am I remembering correctly that in Far From Home is is referred to being 15 years old? If so, well... we might be stuck for a while.

[@Algoody421]

We already know they've planned 3 trilogies. 3 hs/coming of age, 3 college years, 3 adult. Yall just dont fucking know anyone or anything about the business. Get some fucking sources on the future of the MCU. He's going into college in 4, and its gonna have Iceman and Firestar, like in SM & his amazing friends. But yea, disney cartoons are made for teenagers, I FUCKING WONDER WHY? Might have to do with the standard audience age for their channel. Just wait for these D+ shows and phase 4/5 movies coming. You fucks have no clue whats in store...

[@adamquenano8563]

I agree. Escalating his status quo as he got older was a stroke of genius. He’s one of the few comic characters that can quit since he’s not the end all be all protector of N.Y.What made Peter great was him growing up.He became a better character as an adult.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Indeed

[@teesaifele9391]

I think they're going to do it in threes, 3 movies in highschool 3 movies post highschool 3 movies as a more experienced hero

[@Bezaliel13]

The biggest problem with Spider-man is that they try too hard to keep him relatable is *the wrong way.*

[@youfirst6611]

I wish I could agree with you, but adult peter pisses me off sometimes. He’s a self sabotaging character that practically never has his shit together. Every time he’s has something good going for him he screws it up. In the comics right now he’s can’t even make his own rent. In a previous issue it was explained that the only reason he’s afloat is because of MJ’s severance package from Stark Industries. Like Come On you cant even hold down rent and you live with 2 other roommates!!! He better not even think of marriage until his bank account and credit is stable. I mean like how many of his friends own companies? Can’t he ask any of them to network him into a job. I know he wants to make it on his own but their comes a point when pride gets in the way of success. Pretty sure Liz could get him a job at Alchemax.

[@ivanfrias2605]

Exactly, peter is supposed to be a fuck up

[@sixtwohunchos4198]

thats only because since the late 2000s they've kept regressing his character

[@sixtwohunchos4198]

and the fact that american comics go on forever, it's bound to happen man

[@dzas_cave]

The trilogy was post high school, and i liked that

[@Skywardsaiyan]

I hadn’t realized it until this video but most of my favorite pieces of spidey media are him when he’s NOT in Hs (Spider-Man TAS, Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man ps4, the entire 90’s era of Spider-Man, etc)

[@LeoGangMonty]

I thought the same thing for a while just like you. The mcu should've at least started Peter's life in college and just made him his own character without being a sidekick to iron man

[@frogoat]

This is a brilliant video. I completely agree. I think it's reductive to prevent Peter's development, moreso when it also involves making him less competent and needing other heroes. I see the oft-touted argument from the MCU about not needing to see Uncle Ben die yet again, but those people don't have a problem with high school yet again.

[@chrisfisher1110]

I completely agree with you on this. It's really hard for me to watch or read high school spider-man nowadays. Tbh I started with the 90s spider-man cartoon when I was a toddler. Even as a kid I wasn't a high high school spider-man fan

[@supermariomaniac_]

Plenty of media shows Peter outside of high school. The 90s show, the PS4 game, Spider-Man 2 and 3, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 and honestly the first TASM and OG Spider-Man hardly spent much time with him in school. The Ultimate Spider-Man TV show also hardly kept him in school. I think it’s fine to have some media keep him in school as it differentiates him from other heroes. We’ve seen plenty of adult superhero’s in the MCU, so it only makes sense to put Peter in school to keep things different

[@daftbanna7202]

I mean I'm a high schooler so I can't get enough of teen Spidey

[@spartida3850]

daft banna lmao same here. but I think all his points are extremely valid and would like more non high school Spider-Man. I’m not burnt out from the high school setting yet but if I’d read as many comics as he does then I’d probably be burnt out too.

[@AmySwain03]

I'm a high schooler also but I'm done with teen Spidey. We already have Miles as our teenage spider man. We don't need Peter. Also Peter just works a lot better as an adult than as a teen in my opinion

[@daftbanna7202]

@@spartida3850 for sure

[@wingeddiamondsword7653]

Not Everything has to be like the comics it's an interpretation that's what makes it fun

[@alexdaguy6130]

The only high school spidey that get passed are ultimate and spectactular(show not the comic)

[@gingercat5996]

Ngl, I love high school Spidey! I love ultimates and the spectacular Spider-Man show, but college Spider-Man is so much better imo. It gives more story opportunities. I also love Spider-Man tas which features a college Spider-Man who is my favourite representation of the character on screen and PS4 Spider-Man is amazing!

[@m.xdmcbangalter3653]

*Hi-Top Films has joined the chat*

[@l0sts0ul89]

His power is rising

[@diobuthesconfused7507]

@@l0sts0ul89 its overflowing

[@mikhailtucker8742]

I agree, I grew up on the 90s Spider-Man show and I rather have him in college.

[@maxalain9948]

8:10 every comic writer needs to hear this

[@notsosmartguy6254]

Miles Morales makes the high school peter Parker Spiderman obseslette.

[@gregorycourtney1532]

Especially when you steal Mile's school situation and best friend from him and give them to Peter (the mcu movies). I know the character's name is Ned Leeds but the onscreen version looks and acts a lot more like Ganke than the comic character he is named for.

[@darkelmo2023]

I've been saying this same thing for years! When Kevin (Marvel's president) said a few years ago that the new spidey would be in high school, with the justification that Spider-man's best stories are from HS, I nearly gave up on ever seeing a good mature spidey story on the big screen again. I actually made up a name for Marvel wanting to keep spidey young, single, or living with Aunt May, I call it the Peter Pan Effect. Which is the general idea that a company, not just Marvel, tries to make a beloved character with a lot of history, young or inexperienced again, not necessarily going back to the status quo, but as though they want to revisit the genius of the character again, never allowing them to really grow beyond that initial "cool factor" or the thing that originally brought us to the characters. This effect isn't unique to just spidey though, we also see it with Batman, James Bond, Superman, and so on.

[@tron_9800]

Anybody remember the MTV Spider-Man show and he was in college. I feel like that show a little underrated

[@absolutelyflawless8094]

I used to watch that show when I was a kid. That show was really good. Too bad it doesn't get that much attention.

[@inmybestdaysidontdocrack]

Agreed, I wanna see him as an adult idc about him as a child anymore.

[@polymorphicblacksteve5038]

so at 3:00 ,am I seeing this right is Vivian using her hand as he phone lol that's amazing

[@KylerRamos]

One of my favorite runs on Spider-Man in the comics was the JMS run and John Romira Jr run. I love how Peter took up the mantle of becoming a high school teacher at his old high school. I thought it was great to see Peter Parker look at the community and see the struggles that these kids went through and how even as Peter Parker he was trying to help and get involved. There was a lot of great stories that came from the run. Also the OG Stan and Romita run is also great too. But I still have a soft spot for HS spidey ESPECIALLY spectacular spider-man, such a shame it can’t be done properly in the live action films although I do like Tom. At least we have spider verse.

[@greenlantern9930]

if you haven’t already would you consider making a video on the history of sidekicks? i’m interested on why it started and why it died out

[@ambervalkerie9134]

I just want him back with Mary Jane ;-;

[@liltaco4119]

He is though?

[@shada0]

When I was thinking of the core interest of what separates Spider-man from other superheros is that Peter is the Indie- Superhero.

[@Narutoanime16g]

I like how the 90's cartoon and some other animated spiderman stuff shows him in college

[@Mattucker67]

I think a cool follow up to this (as well as your other spider-man videos) would be to touch upon all of the potential futures the comics have shown where Peter has had spider powered kids.

[@blackday1013]

A Renew Your Vows series would be amazing.

[@mr.anonymousclxxxvii224]

They should make Spidey a parent. Extra responsibility = extra conflict = more compelling stories

[@tompatterson1548]

The bit where he was Captain Britain's roommate when Brian was on a study abroad program in the USA, and then Brian thinks that Spiderman kidnapped Peter Parker (yes, really) is pretty funny, and also Arcade is the bad guy which is another bonus.

[@samkaranja5709]

High school peter is interesting when he has to deal with the obstacles that come with being a teenage Spider-Man i.e. less resources, money problems, sneaking around Aunt May, how his superheroing conflicts with his school life so basically spectacular spiderman and Ultimate. An example from ultimate is one time Peter got shot in the shoulder. At the time, the cops were hunting him so he couldn't stick around the hospital and has deal with hiding that kind of injury at home with aunt May and all day at school. Honestly I'm disappointed that MCU spiderman just doesn't have to deal with most of those problems

[@awesomesharkhand1876]

I like MCU Spider-Man and loved Homecoming because I felt like had those elements of high school Peter. That's why I was disappointed by Far From Home because I expected a sequel to Homecoming to continue his issues in high school, with the Aunt May learning he's Spider-Man to be a massive source of drama i.e similar to Ultimate Spider-Man.

[@markmolino6091]

Sam Karanja,That has always been one of my problems with the MCU spiderman .He has it easy ,he has no problems to worry about and he's ironman sidekick.

[@BingBangPoe]

I couldn't agree more, Drake. My favorite Spidey comic-book stories were with him as an "miserable" adult, but as a more competent and confident superhero (and I've read those while I was _still_ in high school). Struggling to pay the bills and having other adult problems that felt more grounded and real-life than the stereotypical high school "drama" the recent movies and other medias have been showing. It is what you said about him always trying to balance his personal life and superhero life; it is this dynamic that always made the character interesting. I really hope the MCU explores that post-high school Spiderman in future movies. Edit: The ending to _No Way Home_ kinda implies we'll have "miserable Peter" in future MCU, so that's a huge plus.

[@luisr799]

I was a big fan of Renew your vows because it gave Peter a family and let him grow up. Plus he was mentoring a new spider hero.

[@blackday1013]

If each show was like Spectacular Spider-man, focusing entirely on Peter's story, I wouldn't mind too much. It just feels weird having him be a kid when all the other adult avengers are around.

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

Into the spiderverse is honestly one of my favorite spiderman movies in recent time since Amazing Spiderman which I loved when I was 12

[@torgan]

This is a safe space for all Iron Boy deniers.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Si.

[@shadowhunter0815]

I agree on the Peter Parker/ Miles Morales dynamic. Peter struggling with his responsibilties with his private life, his Spiderman persona and a new role as montor combined with Miles trying to figure out how to be Spiderman, juggling school life and dealing with the feeling that he has to fill out the original Spidermans shoes would make a great dynamic.

[@ggt47]

Yes! Also saw someone else said it is unrealistic in the new films about no one drops the F bomb randomly.

[@keylakettlemjardim8282]

If makes you happier,in the Spetacular Spider-Man show, Peter would grow up out of high school, even going to college Yeah.....

[@Bakubakuba]

- College. ... He was only ther for thriteen years. I won't do a rant on status quo and lack of time movement in comics (which I hate) but this was funny.

[@pious83]

Much in the same way they try to say Bruce Wayne is still in his 30's or Professor X is in his mid 40's (In spite of fighting in the Korean War with his stepbrother) try not to think about it more than the writers do.

[@RickReasonnz]

He's a slow learner, go easy on him!

[@Bad_At_Parties]

I mean, Pete's poor so he would run out of money right before he was about to finish up and get his degree, then he'd have to bust his ass to get his money up and re-apply to another college, but then that college wouldn't accept his credits, so he had to start from jump, then he went broke again and had to drop out, then... Well.....you get the idea.

[@N10NRD]

Biggest pet peeve with Spider-Man in recent movies/TV is exactly this. Most of what I love about Spider-Man is from his time as an adult. Hopefully, the next iteration of him they inevitably do, is at leat in college, like Drake suggests.

[@cwc5085]

Into the Spider-verse Peter was my favorite Peter. I never though he'd be so enjoyable as a grouchy older mentor.

[@donottaptheglass5515]

I'd have to agree with just about every single point you made, and honestly it's a big factor why Spider-Man PS4 is probably my favorite iteration of the character ever. One other small point for me is that when Peter interacts with the larger Marvel Universe, I appreciate it so much more when he isn't just "the kid," but actually has the respect of his peers such as Tony Stark, Reed Richards, etc.

[@RSRye]

I am annoyed at how comic writers keep Peter Parker in a constant state of arrested development. I was really happy when spider-man worldwide happened because it was everything peter had been working towards, and he finally deserved some growth, so I was really mad when they rolled him back to being broke. It seems that a lot of people enjoy a broke spider-man because he is "relatable", but I would like to see him successful.

[@zoinksscoob7020]

Gotta love that nightwing shoutout

[@justinstpierre386]

Spider-man in high school is where it all started, in pretty sure he was am example of being the first teen superhero

[@AkumaKristian]

The interesting thing about the PS4 game (that I believe was mentioned in interviews at the time) is that making Peter an adult was practical from a gameplay perspective as well as a story one. After all, playing a Spiderman who is way more familiar with his powers is way more interesting to play as than one who is just starting out. It's funny I am far more excited to see what comes out of the games than the movies moving forward. (Well for Spiderman that at least. Marvel games in general aren't inspiring confidence)

[@hectordoblado4987]

After Spectacular Spider-man, nothing could top his high school days for me.

[@Werewolf914]

I agree with you, especially if we could see an older Peter mentoring Miles, Spider-Man PS4 is one of my favorite versions of Spidey ever it had everything you need for a great Spidey, he had his quips while fighting the bad guys, relationship issues with MJ, struggling to pay his bills, working with Otto was amazing because then when he becomes Doc Ock you assisted him getting to that point which makes it kind of sad. More of that kind of Spider-Man in the movies would be amazing, but maybe it's also because I'm old he was a relatable character and inspirational when I was a kid/teen so maybe having him be an adult would keep him being relatable and that's why it would be more intriguing to see? I don't know but I just want more adult Spider-Man too.

[@anthonyramirez5391]

Love the Nightwing appreciation cuz he’s my favorite hero

[@supaspydamn]

💯💯💯 Hes still hasn't swung from buildings in Manhattan

[@Cobra-Commander83]

I like the idea someone came up with for MCU Spider-Man. A Trilogy for each stage of Peters life.

[@MortalScorp]

This is why I like the 90s spiderman cartoon than the others and in media, I enjoy spiderman after that just like the spiderman movies.

[@demigodstudios]

*Laughs in Ultimate Spider-Man*

[@kr555wizard]

Most of the storylines I can think of in college which are my favorite. I think spider-man is the best as an adult.