Why I need to buy this bike! Moots Vamoots CRD review

[@0xKenneth]

The bike Market has gone nuts. Let's put some cables in hollow tubes... We call that integration and charge 7k for it.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

I'd rather have aero shaped tubes than fully internal everything, IF that was even somehow possible with titanium. Even though yes, the net aero result from either can hardly be measured in actual watts saved, the rider's position on the bike being the same. At least the buyer of this frame will not ever have to worry about a rounded-out, and noisy bottom bracket the way that some carbon frame owners, who paid as much or even MORE for their crunchy plastic machines, most definitely do.

[@Koen030NL]

@@nofascistsonmywatch If you want aero shaped tubes and titanium then the bossi strada ss is just the thing for you.

[@Johnwis-gp9yy]

Have been riding Colnago bikes for last 20 years, am used to exspensive gear. last year I bought Routt 45 as gravel bike - I was blown away with high quality… only Passoni has such high quality finishing… I owned Ti bikes before but there is something with Moots that is special. So special that I sold my c64 and ordered this CRD - will be keeping my C60 art decor as my only carbon bike. Than one is too special to sell. Nothing beats titanium paired with carbon fork

[@BikeronaTrek]

This is the Rolls Royce of bikes. It has the same qualities. It’s beautiful, well engineered with the latest tech, last forever almost, and expensive. Hiding the cables makes it look modern, and makes it more aero too. I would love to have one.

[@treygray2817]

In 18 months the tech will be outdated.

[@babikecap62]

Agree

[@10ktube]

Once in a blue moon headset bearing replacement is 2x a year for me, I ride in conditions worse than sunny days, on whatever bike I feel like riding that day. It's a bike, not a garage queen, and for what they cost, it's getting ridden. Integration looks so clean and fancy, but for people like me, it's a total pain. Dig the bike though, and Moots.

[@jaycrume5941]

A beautiful bike this is. This is a great commercial, Mr. Arthur. I enjoy watching road test videos simply because I love bikes. But full internal cable routing doesn't make a "better" bike. Prettier?, maybe. A more difficult and expensive bike to maintain, but not "better". And same with disc brakes, I have three bikes (2 SWorks, 1 TI - 1 SWorks has DA DI2) less than five years old that are rim brake high end models, I never have problems stopping when I need to. And I love doing my own maintenance. The industry has priced and "teched" me out of the market, so at 68 years old, I will be riding and loving these three bikes forever. A Moots is a great frame and and built - it's a great bike, but the costs are totally prohibitive for almost all riders. No wonder the industry is in trouble. I will go on doing my 8,000 miles a years on "old tech", "obsolete" and "outdated" shifting, "unsafe and unstoppable" bikes and loving every ride!

[@stevenfreeman7798]

1000 cc motorbike money with abs, traction control etc etc where the hell do they get these prices!!. Cycling is definitely the new golf!!.

[@mancello]

I've seen a few Moots bikes over the years. I have a Seven titanium bike that I've been riding 20 years. Handles and looks just like I bought it yesterday.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

Same with my 23 year old Merlin Road. 👍❤

[@bmurray330]

Same here. I have a Merlin Extra Light with Campy Record with ~20k miles. Looks just like the day I got it.

[@Xennial-en6kb]

This bike has checked all the boxes I’m looking for. Need to start saving for one. Thanks for showing it to us, I can now stop searching for the ultimate road bike.

[@alanschlug5418]

Full integration-- a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Disc brakes, press in bottom brackets, we can keep going. Want to make pulling your stem or working on your headset a day-long odyssey? That's the way!

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

Yup, LOVE the 'look'/aesthetics of the fully hidden integrated setups, but, the juice is just not worth the squeeze, either aero functionally wise (despite what Josh Poertner of Silca says!) or maintenance/mechanical wise.

[@seanmccuen6970]

if I had the money, this frame set would literally be at the top of my list for a long term dream bike build.

[@brandonsouba]

Love your videos and very nice looking bike. This isn’t throwing shade at Moots or you - but the whole bit around a Ti-bike being the “last one you buy” seems like an odd justification for buying it. It’s not the material that will fail you - it’s the likelyhood that you won’t be able to buy a top end group to match this in 5-10 years because of the changing standards. My cross bike from 7 years ago already has 3 outdated standards (thru axle diameter, post mount disc, 11 speed drivetrain) which will make it harder to buy components as time goes on. I’m curious how these fully integrated headsets will age and if you will be able to even buy it in a decade if the industry does not embrace it. Eh. The reality is that if you are spending $15k on this bike you dgaf and will buy another new $15k bike in 5 years - which is another way to solve the problem : )

[@danielgentili1320]

I have a Ti bike and I will defintely get another bike in a few years. Nothing better in the wet.

[@leonmontoya4886]

Like most rich people that buy Ferraris, they buy them to look at them and to show them off. Probably the same with this bike. If you have the kind of spare change to buy this bike, getting parts for it isn't probably your main concern...

[@jaspreetsidhu5708]

Meh I bought a ti bike and bought industry standard brackets/bearings. I've had the bike for over 9+ years and went all out on price. It's kickin around and still pretty modern (component wise). Just dont chase odd industry standards and you'll be fine.

[@brandonsouba]

@@jaspreetsidhu5708 Can you buy a new high end group today to replace what you’ve got without new wheels?

[@jaspreetsidhu5708]

@@brandonsouba yeap currently running disc di2. I just bought a set of Easton's 2 years ago and will most likely buy a set of enve 3.4's for bike packing.

[@danbradley6962]

Great video Dave. Like others have said, it’s like seeing super cars being reviewed on top gear. A lottery winning dream bike for sure. I’ve got a NorthRoad Ti gravel bike on order, I envision this being the one and only bike I ride with a couple of sets of wheels.

[@andrewwoffinden8671]

Like a super car except not fast and if you just wanted comfort why not get a Giant Defy for a fraction of the price? I mean if your into it because you have a Ti fetish and 10K to spend on it then yes sure but it's no super car..

[@ericl6460]

​@@andrewwoffinden8671value is a funny thing, eh. Some people love Tesla's and some hate them, right Same with bikes

[@gabrielcontreras3993]

Great reviews! Yes, incredibly beautiful, but out of principle I would not pay that obscene amount! ( yes I can afford this) here in Los Angeles there is a small ti bike company; BLACKHEART all road. I love this bike, with 700c and 650b wheel sets it does it all. I have 21 trek domane, cannondale slate, and pro caliber trek XC mtb, but this bike is so enjoyable to ride and does not make me feel stupid to pay $15k

[@fennec13]

Blackheart makes amazing bikes! and not for that ridiculous amount either.

[@am7jeremy]

I'm there with you. The Blackheart was my first taste of titanium and has been a pleasure thus far

[@seanmccuen6970]

I've got a Blackheart Allroad Ti. it's no race bike, but it does rip and takes everything in stride.

[@boosttee]

I love everything about that bike! Even the stem, handle bar and seat post. But that price….insane!

[@bitgeist21]

I ride a Habanero Ti bike (classic Team Nuevo with rim brakes...Not sure they make those anymore.) I love Titanium and while I tend to cycle through Cannondale frames every few years; the Ti is my 'forever' bike 🙂 However, the Moots looks awesome and we all love your video's, David! Thanks for this one.

[@evanjohn503]

'I'd own this bike in a heartbeat, but I can't afford it. My hands have gone numb, and I can't feel parts of my face', AND still you stayed out in the freezing cold - Hopefully we've all felt this when you come across a machine thats a revelation. What is surprising is that its Titanium thats caused it, there are quite a few makers in the UK. Perhaps you could show us some of them - then maybe we might be able to afford it. Great vid

[@falcoperegrinus82]

Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't spend that much on a bike.

[@randallsmith7885]

After one season on the Moots CRD, I love this bike. It is the best road bike I have ever ridden. This replaces a Dogma F8, which is a very good bike. But the CRD is amazing.

[@robbchastain3036]

Perhaps, David, you could ask Moots if you could keep it long enough for an all-season test for about ten years. 😀

[@JimmyDot]

Thanks for the review. Moots is my dream bike and I live 2.5 hours from Steamboat, but like you said it is very pricy. I currently have Carver Ti roadbike about 12 years old with disk brakes.

[@phillipkrall8853]

Makes me want a C68!

[@keithmcgarvey8273]

Great review and feedback David! Beautiful machine! I agree with you that it needs the Ti seat post and stem for the complete finished look. When you take the BMC Teammachine MPC frameset at $12,000 it’s up there with the most expensive in the world that money can buy!

[@markreams3192]

I’m a titanium convert. I’ve owned every frame material out there (except magnesium). The ride quality is really unmatched. There are less expensive alternatives in the US. I have a Sage titanium Barlow which is an all road, gravel bike which is much less expensive with Chis King head set, bottom bracket and Envy fork. The frame is welded by Lynsky. To own the moots you would need a large amount of disposable cash.

[@fennec13]

Here in the U.S. we have MANY great options - MUCH more reasonable than Moots - they have great stuff - but those prices. Yeah. I have a WHY cycles R+ w/ enve fork and it didn't cost that much lol.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

@@fennec13 The local Moots dealer around here is in one of the wealthiest communities per capita in all of the Keystone State, very close to their prospective customers I guess. 🤣

[@shrkys4]

Love the ‘gentleman rider’ comment, which is very true…gorgeous bike

[@randallsmith7885]

I have one on order to replace a 2016 Dogma F8. I decided to get off of the carbon bike fashion train, where your new bike is out of date and out of style in one season. The Moots starts out with a style of its own and no one knows much about it. From a styling standpoint, it is like a Porsche 911, where normal people don't know the difference between a 2023 911 and a 2003 911. But they know it is a 911. (I am not saying that a Moots bike is at the 911 level of performance). It will perform well enough for my abilities, provide clearance for wide enough tires for the pavement (and some gravel) that I ride most often, allows for disc brakes to deal with the problems associated with wet riding on carbon rims and caliper brakes. And I am hoping it will be a bit quieter. As my bike mechanic said - carbon frames are like piano sound boards. Every nose the bike makes is amplified through the thin walls of the carbon bike. As an aside, I plan to ride with TPU tubes rather than tubeless and I will be set up with hooked rims. I am concerned about the fact that road tubeless recommended pressures are pretty close to the tire pressure limits on hookless road tubeless wheels and people are having experiences with tires blowing off of their rims. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[@andystone5487]

I'm a massive fan of Ti frameset's, starting with a Greg Lemond mtb hardtail back in the mid 90's, which was a Lynskey built frame. Moving on to 2009 and the original OnOne Ti 456 frame, again a Lynskey built frame which led to the road going Sportive...... Now, while I'm a Lynskey fan, that Moots is something else! , it is simply gorgeous! 🤩🤩🤩, if not for the price! 😲

[@user-uj6ot2ch8o]

Great video. Love that they’ve gone internal with cables. Price is obscene. I ride a Litespeed T1SL and it’s rocket fast - I wish it had internal cables. Titanium rocks!!!

[@jaycrume5941]

My 5 year old Ti Lynskey has external external cable routing. I don't wish for internal routing because its so super simple to maintain and with DA9100, shifts and handles with the ultimates. It's a KEEPER! and it still looks brand new after 22,000 miles. I agree - Ti rocks!!!

[@davidide1525]

Great video David ! I own a 10 year old Moots Vamoots CR, with all new 2022 components. Campy Record 12 mech. Rim brake. Bora 33 wto wheels Deda alloy cockpit. It weighs 7.5 kilograms w/o pedals. It rides great and will accept 28 mm Pirelli PZero Race tlr tires. How did you find the Panaracer Agilest tires ? Any review coming on those ?

[@maxlloyd3740]

I love it but think they could maybe go a stage further with the frame. Looking at the Reilly Fusion and Bossi bikes with that more modern aero monocoque style titanium frame. Not sure what the ride quality is like though? Silly money though! Great vid as usual! 👍

[@sethchapman8001]

Beautiful bike, love getting to see such a high-tech work of art. Sad to think that I will never in my life be able to afford one, probably never even get to ride one. 😢

[@nikboseley5117]

This should have been released on April fools day, 13 thousands dollars, the bike industry is taking the piss and I hope there's a collapse in the market. Even using materials such as titanium the cost of the materials in a single bike can't be more than £1500 so we left to believe their labour costs etc account for rest! Strange that bikes became ever more expensive as the interest in bikes started to rise..hmmm.

[@nellyx1x493]

With the £3k wheels, and a £3k groupset we are looking at a full build in the region of £16-17K by my estimates...for the new breed of modern rider who's perhaps just embezzled a few milly on a PPE contract. And at 8kg it a full kilo heavier than any road bike I've ever ridden in 25 years.

[@cjohnson3836]

This bike is made in the US, legitimately. So yes, the labor is a huge input. So, considering a divorced dentist China bike runs $12k-15k, this isn't such a horrible price for something actually made in a western country with western labor costs. Also the titanium is sourced from the US. I hate the ridiculousness of bike prices but being what they are, this isn't that much more for where its being built.

[@nellyx1x493]

The smart money would be to take an older Moots rim frame, throw Super Record mechanical on it with some nice wheels and the rider could get 99.76% of this bike for half the outlay. I've never looked at 6 inches of exposed cabling on a bike and thought it was so ugly that it was worth spending a fortune to try and hide it. I wouldn't ever part with money for this sort of design until 100% certain that the cabling isn't going to eat the carbon steerer, or visa versa - this hasn't been a given with these so far.

[@frankspeakmore7104]

Spot on. It's not even made to order, but mass produced.

[@nikboseley5117]

When people start thinking 10k-14k is reasonable for a bike I feel we’ve become the frogs in the pot of water. The gradual rise and justification of why we need to pay more is just pure greed, nothing more.

[@sgp7975]

Looks like my Planet X Tempest: upgraded the wheels, Seat post, saddle etc and its a road riding gem.

[@Randombourg]

Looks like 5 Tempests!

[@lifeadventures9834]

Great honest review. I'm a huge ti fan. I have a fleet of Lynskey bikes. Not sure if I like the ti seat post and stems. I have different bikes set up both ways and sometimes prefer the carbon parts to offset the ti. Guess we all have our own likes on bikes.

[@treygray2817]

I have a Lynskey as well. Bought it with a Moots seatpost and replaced it with a carbon one. Rides much nicer

[@mightymidget88]

Couldn’t agree more, the carbon offset gives the best of both worlds. It also helps trim the weight a little and adds a tad aero gain. I think this bike could benefit from the enve one piece stem/handlebar combo which is much flatter and less droopy than the individual option shown hear.

[@rolfaalto]

These frames last forever -- got a 22-year-old used Moots for cheap and upgraded the components, similar ride for 1/5 of the cost. Also, you can send your frame back to Moots for a refurb plus fancy graphics.

[@simant5361]

This is what i call a poster bike, because that's all i can afford a poster of it 😂

[@slowcyclist4324]

I was mildly regretting my choice of ordering an aethos when I saw this vid pop up. Thank goodness the price helped me more than easily get past that momentary regret.

[@slowcyclist4324]

Nah. I’m not some dude who rides a bike as a means of building my physicality. I just want a cool bike within my budget that I can occasionally bring out and play with. I will enjoy riding an aethos which I think is a cool bike. This moots is a cool bike. An allu allez to me, is not a cool bike. Cycling is merely a means to ride my bike, not the other way around. What’s the point of being fast when it doesn’t pay the bills lol.

[@christoph7797]

👍 I got the Vamoots RSL. A Dream!

[@benjaminwolf9801]

$13k? Next. Cycling is getting out of hand for prices.

[@ArteUltra1195]

This bike is more than 13k..

[@benjaminwolf9801]

@@ArteUltra1195 ouch

[@tonyg3091]

Did I get it right that one such frame is as expensive as 2 Colnago C68? Good luck!

[@tonyvaldiconza3914]

I own two Moots road bikes, a 2006 Compact and a custom 2018 Vamoots RSL rim bike. I swear I didn't "need" another bike , but damn this is ..................

[@MaceWanted]

nice looking bike but really dont like those rear dropouts. It really does not matter for me if they are like 20grams lighter then not 3d printed ones, but that welding line (6:13) to the chainstays does always look crap in my opinion.

[@geoffmikapartain2619]

Thanks for giving a great review. You said it was light but don’t think I heard just what it weighs. Do you have the weight and size of the bike you rode?

[@KNURKonesur]

How would a titanium frame like that handle a very heavy rider + bags + packs for daily comutes and bikepacking and being left outdoors for hours on end in any kind of weather?

[@1JJONES]

You should do a video on warm glove options. Litespeed Ti bikes have a good reputation.

[@philtomlinson8220]

Beautiful bike, and great review as always. Interesting to hear your comparison with the Colnago. How does it compare with something like the Mason Aspect? Like you mentioned in the video, there has always been a mystic around the Moots brand, and I'd certainly buy one if I could afford it. Yes the bike is ridiculously expensive, but if I had that sort of cash, I'd far rather spend it with a small manufacturer, where you're paying for craftmanship and individuality, rather than a big player like Spesh, or Trek.

[@thakoharris]

Is Moots a small manufacturer these days?

[@donaldduck5731]

I’ve never had a problem stopping with rim brakes or had to plan ahead, although disc brakes are probably better if your spending over £3k on a new bike admittedly. I’m thinking of upgrading my antique CAAD8 with a new 105 groupset, £350.00 mechanical or £1,250.00 electronic. Can get a new mechanical groupset, carbon wheelset and carbon forks for less than an electronic groupset.

[@heino5992]

09:48 the weight is shown (8kg for 56cm without pedals)

[@genotabby]

Just ordered a moots routt YBB. Intending it to be my "forever bike". Kind of stuck on the finish. Really want the Stanley finish but with the fade just like the Apex.

[@steveindorset]

This is nice. But I much prefer the Bossi Strada. It’s far sexier, with it’s formed tubes. It’s also about half the price!!! 😳😎👍🏻

[@non_ideological_transexual7414]

I have a actual custom titanium bike frame because the tubes, angles , dimensions can all be specific for me and no dumb legal compromises such as BB height or marketing nonsense.

[@reallyitistolate]

No. 22 Aurora?

[@fixed-cc]

Hey David, which frame size was this one and how tall are you with your inseam? :) Thanks!

[@stevekelly6544]

I see No.22 bikes titanium Aurora model has 3D printed fully integrated cable routing too-

[@jrclad2964]

Can't bear internal cable routing!

[@peters8504]

Is colnago expected to release other variations of C68?

[@davidarthur]

They did talk about an all-road and gravel version at the launch, and there's a titanium lugged version as well. Haven't seen any of those yet

[@Roger101Watson]

That was fun guessing the price. I was way off at £7k frame £12k bike. As crazy as £15k is it's not bad with that spec when the frame alone is nearly £10k. Those lovely Enve wheels are near £3k. One to remain a pipe dream.

[@justincampbell5249]

This price is absolutely ridiculous. My issue with the bike industry

[@jkim8679]

sadly the price is on par with prices on super marketed cf bikes.

[@msdinba]

@ David. I need a bike that takes up vibration. On your ride did the Ti bikes absorb vibration more than the Roubaix you rode in one of your videos?

[@ronpi1293]

I love your videos and I never miss them, regardless of the particular subject. Since you do them so exceptionally well, I would find a video on just how you do your camera work and editing very interesting, unless you'd be giving "secrets" away.

[@roshanpuvirasa3449]

Hi nice review. Just wondering if you could review some UK titanium bikes like the Reilly Aero Fusion and see how it compares to Moots!

[@tonyg3091]

Reilly are not UK, they are made in Taiwan. And they are the company with the worst customer service in the universe. Stay away.

[@roshanpuvirasa3449]

@@tonyg3091 That they are manufacturing in Taiwan would not be that surprising. Most of the ti bikes are at least partially manufactured overseas. Are there any UK bike companies that are doing everything in house?

[@martinhudobivnik5895]

Imagine paying 13-16k for a bike that traditionalists will hate and anyone else will be wondering why they put such nice wheels on an old bike.

[@martinhudobivnik5895]

That's a price for which you can get a really solid 2-3 years old car. Just speechless.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

What exactly about it (besides the full integration, disc brakes, and printed rear dropouts) would said "traditionalists" hate on?? I plan on getting a set of deeper section carbon wheels for my 23 year old Ti bike IF I can ever find something rim brake, and narrower than a 26mm internal rim width. 😉

[@D_isco_D_ancer]

Moots is the king of Ti. Anyone knows the name of the stem?

[@tonyvargas4517]

Omg is just too expensive. Nice bike. Great review. Just don't have the dough to spend on this. They should have a give for Christmas

[@michaelellison7633]

How does it compare to Blackheart Ti bike?

[@jefferyfey]

Dave - what brand are the glasses you're wearing?

[@editdroid99]

A similar litespeed, will cost about a third ofthe Moots. Just saying. BTW I absolutely love love love my litespeed.

[@neilrobinson7965]

I am in the fortunate position of being able to afford one, but would I buy one? Nah, bikes simply should not be this expensive, the bike industry has become a total joke. its just a bike, ffs.

[@thakoharris]

Man, I bought a YBB in 2000. It was $2,500. I thought that was a pretty penny back then. To hear they are now over $15k is just absolutely bonkers IMHO. I guess if you can get it, no harm in doing so, if people will pay. Good on them for cashing in on cache. You don’t get the cache for nothing. There’s always Canyon et al for those not wanting to play that game.

[@blackjackpinoko]

Uncle Sam keeps printing money diluting the value of the Greenback, thats why.

[@UltimateGuidetoWoodworking]

I enjoy it. I need to adjust the derailment

[@chillysauce4238]

7k just for the frame....Does it come with hambini's hairdresser as a brucey bonus.

[@Jacob99174]

Ti is gorgeous

[@gabrielsandoval4994]

Im happy with my Litspeed Cherryhauler Titanium bike. It will last my lifetime.

[@phenofinder9145]

Moots bikes are so awesome

[@GHinWI]

“Freezing cold”…there’s green grass and liquid water.

[@justinfo-jepy355]

what makes it very expensive? the material or the engineering? or the demand?

[@treygray2817]

Pride of ownership. It doesn't ride any better than a TI frame that costs one-third the price. It is more exclusive though...

[@luukrutten1295]

How do you like these Agilest tires?

[@msdinba]

“There’s a lot of bucks in this frame of course!” LOL😂

[@markharrison6120]

Was this a letter to Santa... gorgeous bike.. .

[@cjohnson3836]

Prices are insane. But this is a bike made in the US, out of space metal sourced from US production. So sure, we should wonder why the price is high. But, we should be asking more why the big names are selling plastic China bikes for the same cost.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

...or MORE!! (And with out of round, creaky effing bottom brackets to add insult to injury!!)

[@adamholmes5830]

Any chance of doing a review on a Ribble bike . Would be good to see how the British Bikes compare

[@davidarthur]

I've asked Ribble if I can review some of their bikes over the years but they've not come back with anything sadly

[@adccars359]

Nice bike. Over price

[@scottsears6440]

Great review.

[@davidarthur]

Glad you think so!

[@thom5255]

Is this better than the gr Pro lynskey or r500?

[@sabamacx]

How does this compare to your Secan?

[@hansschotterradler3772]

I love my Lynskey GT250 gravel bike, but that Moots is a league higher for sure.

[@paulwilliams4990]

It’s like watching them testing Lamborghini’s on Top gear 😂😂😂😂

[@GHinWI]

Lamborghini’s what?

[@paulwilliams4990]

@@GHinWI what

[@GHinWI]

@@paulwilliams4990 :that’s what I’m asking…what does the Lamborghini posses?

[@paulwilliams4990]

@@GHinWI have you seen Top Gear? You know how they test expensive cars that basically no one watching can afford. Get it?

[@VishaalReddyKuthuru]

@@GHinWI looks like someone passed his GCSE’s. Congrats!

[@universe-juice]

Yeah, that's nice! Maybe best moots ever

[@galenkehler]

You're complaining about the price, but thats the main feature. It's a flex, like a Lius Vuitton handbag. You're mistaken in thinking of this in terms of it just being a bike. It's more of a statement.

[@KenSmith-bv4si]

Deer gawd David just when I thought, what am I gonna do with this extra 15K. Honestly thats a cool bike and at my age(66) even a broke down old huffy mite be my last bike, ever bike.

[@michaelsteven1090]

Ti is forever..don't forget that when thinking of the price..

[@nellyx1x493]

Is it really though? I'd trust the build integrity more than any other Ti manufacturer but the whole bike for life thing is a well known myth - it tends to crack just as much if not more than other materials- though that tends to be truer at the more affordable end where corners are cut in the process which impacts on the integrity. To have to spend this much to attain that re-assurance with a difficult material shows why Ti has become a niche interest in comparison to other materials. In fact I've encountered more cracked Ti frames than any other material. The rider who really wants a long-lived bike would be better off with steel in most instances, and they could have 3-4 nice custom frames for this sticker price.

[@biamarconchi]

Given I'm in Canada, If ever I'd go onto titanium. I would most likely contemplate T-Lab bikes.

[@blackjackpinoko]

Hay David, when are you reviewing the $10k plastic Chinese/Taiwanese Moots?

[@davidarthur]

The e-bike you mean? It's only available in the US at the moment so no immediate plans

[@teroy45]

Love moots! I have a Routt 45. But man it’s so expensive now! It’s like they’re counting on dentists buying these expensive bikes. My Routt frame was only 6700 CAD. How can the CRD be double the price? I am due for a new road bike but sorry we all can’t be dentist.😊

[@treygray2817]

Honestly, this build would be pricey even for your average dentist.

[@nofascistsonmywatch]

Maybe the whole industry is heading towards ONLY selling to a very select, VERY few customers whom they will charge upwards of $75K USD for even a 'mid level' ride, while TOTALLY abandoning any type of mass market! They all seem to be clamoring to be the Stryker, or Koenigsegg of the bike industry. 😡👎

[@manchesterexplorer8519]

Moots frames although great are severely overpriced , do they use special Titanium from Mars ?

[@ericbeech2652]

Haters of moots always "forget" the double pass welding that takes twice as long to make when comparing other ti bike manufacturers.

[@paulskeen8792]

Lovely bike but would never pay 15k I'll stick to my Ridley lol

[@LifeCycle1978]

I get the complaint but honestly it doesn’t take that much longer to perform maintenance on bikes with integrated cables.

[@markcowen9538]

Jeez David, get a room😊

[@KameelMotionFit]

Great job 👏

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Awesome & Thanks :)