Why I RETURNED the REL T9x .. My 42 minute rant about RELigion \ REL T9x Review \ (Rel Subwoofer)

[@propercushty]

Dislike this video if you drink snake oil for breakfast. - MDT

[@healthynutster]

I gave it a like, but disagreed with much of it, based on personal experience. REL’s don’t go as low as most, it’s true, but I happen to like what it does to the presentation.

[@grahamprescott9426]

@@healthynutster I agree, a lot is snake oil. Like rels expensive high level cable upgrade. I think the reason they don't go as low is they are better at picking up low frequency detail. And this is what they mean when they say musical. Subs either slam or have higher fidelity. Its not to say the t9 can't do theater though. I hear that all the time. Personally I have no complaints with what the T9i can do for LFE output. Also another point to consider for the reviewer is the main speakers are quite small? So for music do you have the crossover on the sub set quite high for low/high level in? Mine only covers 40hz (I have large floorstanders) so lower for 2 channel, vs LFE which is obviously up to 120hz.

[@01egna]

Hello [young] Man, You don't need a million pound special microphone. We don't listen to music with special microphones, we listen to music with something far more sophisticated, our ears, brains and even our eyes that have a psychological impact on our perceptions. The question we want answered by a reviewer is their opinion on which sounds best, or grades of that question re various aspects of the sound v other gear that's available and we're hoping that gear will emerge that is superior at a lower cost, e.g. a £1k sub that trounces all/most £5k subs, ...that's the dream, but failing that we want to know what's the best bang for our buck v our taste and reviewers that we trust have similar tastes help us to shorten the journey by identifying exceptional gear that we can short-list. Does this snake oil taste good v other snake oil? Does it make my ears tingle and fizz in a good way? Is it a complete waste of space, time and money? Your review has left me more confused.

[@stephenjon3502]

If you want to play around with different filters or settings check out any of the Lyngdorf amps with room perfect.

[@nespressoman]

Cushty, you are a fool and an amateur. Pathetic.

[@henryscicluna1988]

You're the only one I've heard knocking REL, stick your violin mate, rubbish review

[@michaelwright1602]

I just added two REL T-Zero MKIII subs to my 2 channel rig... I cannot believe what these two muskmelon sized subs are doing in my medium sized room. I have two SVS SB3000 subs too. I placed the two RELs in the same positions as the SVS units. I run them with a pair of Magnepan LRS+ speakers, using an active crossover. These can easily replace the two SVS subs, they are that good, and honestly dig low in my room. And much will have to do with your room folks.

[@ronny150]

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about fella

[@douglasacker4923]

I’ve bought 3 REL over the last 20 years and they ALWAYS fall apart somewhere. Quality sucks.

[@jdavis234]

Dude, get an isolation pad before you complain about any subwoofer moving around. They exist for this reason.

[@TokeBoisen]

A £1300 subwoofer shouldn't need extra equipment to stay still on a hardwood floor mate.

[@jdavis234]

@@TokeBoisen you must be new to this

[@jamapaza]

I‘ve got a Arendal 1961 1V and it doesn‘t move. Not an inch and i don‘t even have a carpet.

[@user-gz6tx6yp3v]

I think the issue here is, you're an SP customer, not an SQ customer. You need slam for movies, while the T9x does do it to an extent, it doesn't to the extent of say SVS in the same price bracket. What it does do which the SVS cannot, is blend into your main speakers so much so, that the sub is impossible to localise to the point it simply sounds like an extension of your own speakers. The REL's are so much faster, there's no bloat at all but the downside is less extension. The T9x is for music/movies, if you want this but with more gut punching slam (extension) like the SVS, you have the Series S like the S510, but they're £2k. Sound amazing though, even more speed, they make even tiny speakers sound 10 times their size but you get that real deep bass for theatre as well but with all the delicacy of a speaker. I'm an SQ customer which is why I like REL. Maybe you should try and get a review on the S510, see if that does it for you?

[@michaelwright1602]

Spot on, I have a pair of REL T-Zero MKIII next to a pair of SVS SB3000. The RELs are staying, the SVS are going somewhere, but I see no need to keep them in my 2 channel rig.

[@duanerandleman2456]

The reason everyone is bashing this guy is not because he lacks knowledge but because he is reviewing a category where he lacks a lot of knowledge.

[@rossschueller8253]

Show us on the doll where the bad REL touched you.

[@ralex3697]

Lol

[@gianlucabassi8853]

Sold all my subwoofers and kept only two Rel.

[@grhaggerty]

I have the T7X and I believe it sounds very good, Iplan on keeping it for a long time, and if anything I would like to get another one.

[@williemclean3224]

I have the T9X for a two channel system, I couldn’t be happier. Blends well with my Q concept 50 speakers. I do agree with you on the finish. It definitely had the new car wax swirl finish.

[@propercushty]

i'm glad you are enjoying your subs mate

[@michaelthomson5101]

I will give you 4 minutes to get to the point, unless you really annoying, then it will be good bye. So far you are repeating yourself.... Good bye.

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

🤣

[@bubbleone6526]

Probably the first person with the balls to tell and say his opinion commenters be damned. Subbed

[@EdJanuskis]

I own 2 REL T9x for my audio (not movie theater). I can tell you that product is very good form performance and design view. Is it prefect, probably not. My subs not jumping around, because i do not use them for cracking windows. Audio level is like food. Salt should be used to bring other flavors in food but not eat salt. Same here REL is the sub where base is helping to hear other sounds but not actual base. it is amassing experience then i could get to that level. FYI: I paired my SF Olypica 3 which have already good mid base. So adding these 2 subs made it a lot better.

[@propercushty]

fair enough glad you enjoy the sub...to be honest if you carefully listen to what I'm saying in the video..my main issue is with the REL marketing..not really the product itself. I'm surprised your subwoofers aren't moving around. Either they're stuck to the floor with blu-tac (as REL suggest in one of their videos) or you haven't come across the right movie scene yet. Anything with sub 35hz bass turned up to reference 75db made my REL units do the moonwalk

[@makafuniruni]

@@propercushty I appreciate your honest review! And agree their marketing is somewhat bullshit. That said, I have the t7x and never had the walking problem either. I had 4 different subs on trial (SVS another REL ht1003 and a B&W.) The only sub that didn't intrude and only added to the music in a positive way was the rel -making itself "invisible". It was also by far the easiest and best integrated with main speakers. It lacks some low low end for movies, but I will live with that compromise any day of the year. With the grille on it's also quite beautiful especially compared to other subs!

[@NemoPropaganda]

Whats up dude, you wanna call me out but won’t engage when I try to talk to you? I’ve reviewed more subs than anyone for 2ch use but you won’t engage. You just wanna trash a product for the “clout”. You’ll probably delete this comment too 🤷🏻‍♂️. Super shady vid my man, super shady.

[@propercushty]

Did REL send you to spread some of that propaganda on my channel Nemo? 'Super shady' lol. That's coming from someone where 'propaganda' is literally in the name of the channel. Where you get those REL subs from then?

[@NemoPropaganda]

​@@propercushty the T5i pair was borrowed from a friend, the HT-1205 I bought with my own money, the T9X were a review sample that have to be sent back, any insinuation that I'm bought is simply wrong. My message was actually me offering you setup assistance, I even went as far as to say we can have a chat on the phone, search through your emails and you'll find my message. The bass god comment was tongue & cheek, surely you realized that. Watch my Velodyne DB12 video, that was a review sample and I went in on them hard for that thing. If a product is bad I have no problem saying so, I don't do this for money, I do this for fun and I reached out to you to help you get this setup right but you clearly think you know everything. Don't come into this space and call into question the integrity of those that came before you in an effort to build "credibility" it's very tasteless. What's statistically more likely: that every reviewer is bought or wrong, or you, the new kid on the block is simply wrong. I operate my channel at a loss to the tune of thousands per year, you want credibility there it is. But I'm sure you'll just bask in your self righteous glory instead because you care about being right more than you care about the truth. For god sakes man you didn't even respond to me until I called you out a second time, drop the act.

[@propercushty]

@@NemoPropaganda .

[@NemoPropaganda]

@@propercushty I love how you're still refusing to engage with me on the topic at hand, the subwoofer itself. You'll talk trash, but you won't talk with me about the product, again I even offered to have a chat with you on the phone, hobbyist to hobbyist but nope, you just delete my comment and talk trash. Super cool of you.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@NemoPropaganda he just made a video telling people that JoeNTell lacks integrity. This guy is trying to bring viewers to his channel by calling out a actual AV reviewers on KZbin.

[@StephanieM772]

My Tzero MKlll works great with my McIntosh MA5100 and my PSB Imagine XB bookshelf speakers in my small music room. It has made a huge difference in the overall sound of my modest 2 channel system. It speaks quickly with a tight bass sound (which I greatly appreciate) and has integrated wonderfully with my equipment. I don’t think their product line is mired in BS and hype due to the simple fact REL makes really fine sounding subwoofers.

[@robk5745]

Go listen to REL sub set up properly first before you say anything. You can talk theories all day, means nothing till you listen.

[@rx7dude2006]

From someone who has owned just about every brand sub on the market the Rel integrates the best and is the most musical sub for the price hands down.

[@calebkimbrough9627]

I have the REL tx9 set up for 2 channel audio and I really like it. I had a Sunfire perfect 10 before that gave out after 17 years that I really loved. It had much better extreme lows but besides that I like the sound of the REL much better. I tried a SVS SB-3000 and never heard a sub that I hated so much! It was just loud obnoxious. I hated it so much I was wondering if I had a defective unit because of how much rave that sub had. I would say its would be hard to beat the REL for accuracy at its price point. Its take some time to dial in but once you get it. It’s very enjoyable.

[@staceymangham]

So true sir you followed the instructions in the owners manual and experimented to integrate them correctly with your main speakers obviously

[@staceymangham]

@@calebkimbrough9627 glad to hear it worked out for you it shows the quality of your sub that lasted 17 years that's a great purchase and product life span I think you will get the same longevity from your REL

[@staceymangham]

So true ! the thing with audio reproduction is it's a subjective thing and not everyone hears the same even the shape and size of our ears factor into it I've known a audiophile for many years that has had all sorts of hi end audio and he always turns it up way to loud to the point of distortion or overdriving of the loudspeakers it would sound horrible to my ears but he smiles and says sounds awesome aye I would give him the thumb's up he was happy who was I to tell him it sounded awful

[@staceymangham]

Yes the placement was crucial to it took a bit of trial and error to find the best position for frequency response then settng the crossover cutoff point so it played under the main speakers lower roll off then set the gain so it disappears another thing the upgrade cable would definitely work I made my own from some good quality speaker cable I had sitting dormant also the mains cable changed it quite dramatically it was an eye opener for me

[@ronny150]

First review I've come across that is negative towards the tx range of subwoofers from rel. Says it all really doesnt it 👍

[@PyreRecords]

I liked this subwoofer, the SVS definitely has more output, but I like the sound signature of the smoothness of REL stuff. Everyone has different tastes of what sounds good to them. I have the same gripe with HIFIMAN headphones, many love them but I cannot stand the sound of them.

[@propercushty]

fair enough lad - i don't think it's necessarily a bad sub - i just think for the money people could do a lot better - i'm almost 100% sure a BK subwoofer would have similar characteristics to this sub and be about 1/3 the price

[@bryanwilliams9810]

I wouldn't argue with anything your saying, but you do come off as a hater and an SVS fanboy more so than a reviewer !!! Just say that and give your reasons. Trust me, I understand what your talking about, I've been down the rabbit hole for about 6 months now. Trying to decipher the BS to get to the knowledge I seek/what has been the hardest part.

[@propercushty]

sorry if I came off that way. Dishonest/vague marketing bugs me a lot

[@jamapaza]

In my eyes he is right. He just told facts. I wanted to buy a REL but this review just opened my eyes.

[@giangvu7902]

Yeah SVS subwoofers are heavy and doesn’t sound as good. Just my 2 cents.

[@jamapaza]

@@giangvu7902 believe me, heavy is good! Very good! Why do you think that SVS doesn‘t sound good? Im not a fanboy and Ido not own a SVS but a SVS doesn‘t sound less good as a REL. There are some rules for subwoofers and it doesn‘t matter if it‘s for HT or music. A subwoofer should be as heavy and a big as possible to sound great. You can‘t cheat on physics. REL is a good company but the T series is just bullshit and overpriced.

[@Maver1ck911]

You buy a rel for the finish and high level inputs to complement a 2 channel system. You buy an SVS to move the needle at the geological survey for the same price. You buy Hsu Research servo sub for fuck you bass that works for home cinema applications as well as music. ​@jamapaza

[@naveedahmedchaudhry]

REL moves, buy a carpet mate 😂 You have no idea what you're doing, stop ranting clueless on the internet.

[@jamapaza]

So, I need to buy a carpet and a REL sub? I did‘t know. What else do I have to buy to enjoy a REL?

[@lucitomontesor8329]

i think he hates it as much as he loves it. the guy just need attention i think 😅

[@bigdaddystinkeye]

I've had my REL T9x Red for two weeks now. I use it in a two channel music only format in a small/medium size room. Me and my friends are blown away by how it transforms the listening experience.

[@bluematrix5001]

this dude is a SPL guy not a SQ ...so should buy a bazooka

[@propercushty]

you're talking out of your bumhole

[@tms372]

You are correct, the narrator knows nothing about subs.

[@themayorofflair]

Love my REL subs. Make a 2 channel music system so much better. Seems like this reviewer hasn’t spent any time setting the REL up properly. Comes across very childish.

[@greggb681]

I love my REL TZero mk3 BUT I am not saying that you are wrong. Great video and I respect your opinion and view point!

[@Mickey-Knox]

I just boaught 2 t/5x's for right and left. I hope they sound good when i set them up. but you are making good points.

[@cconnon1912]

I liked them better when they were manufactured in the UK. Also the differences in amplifiers, a/b & d to apply to all types of amps and internally work differently. Please educate yourself on this subject before providing this information. That being said, all of amp types can sound good. That “speaker level” cable works completely different than line in. You should really be using this input. Did you read the way this works? That is what people by REL subs for. It actually uses the RCA input and the speaker line level input together to give you the complete sound from the amplifier, but takes into consideration your volume control. That way the output for the sub matches exactly with the output for your speakers. I think you missed this entirely. You can still adjust gain and cut off, but this is the way this sub is designed to work. I’ve had experience with REL subs for over 15+ years in music and home theater set up and I have no complaints. Also, looking at your room. It appears that you have too much sub for that space using any of these with hardwood floors and no sound deadening material, etc. you should have them on rubber pads or carpet. These used to come with spike feet. You should invest 5 quid on rubber feet. Seems like you are just wanting some thing that will shake your windows. If that’s what you want REL subs may not be for you at the price point. I have had much more thunderous subs but none that one set up properly. Need a little adjustment between music and theater.

[@propercushty]

reading this over a coffee i can tell i'm replying to a mindless butthole and im just gonna leave this one be i think 😂

[@pmike77]

I need a very good sub for movie and music. I have in mind the following: SVS SB 3000, SVS PB 3000, Rythmik FV15 HP, Outlaw Audio Ultra X13, HSU VTF TN1 and of course the REL T9x. My room size is 12ft by 13 ft. Can you advice at least two in a ranking order, please? Thank you.

[@Sir_Corgerus]

I'm obviously not the guy but I do way too much research so I hope this helps: From your list of subs, the Rythmik may be the better option but the FV15 may be excessive. An FVX12 still does quite well as a vented sub that sounds great in both movies and music especially for its size. Rythmik is really good value for sound quality according to a select few reviewers that I trust, typically beating out SVS in the same price range. Aside from sound quality, you'll have to decide if you need a feature that other subs don't have. You may have to get a home trial to figure that out. If you want a more aggressive subwoofer that still has good detail performance, perhaps look at JL Audio E series subs but they're a bit pricey. For their size they're really impressive.

[@JasonEdward62]

This guy wants me to leave his channel because he don't like the brand I bought? After I listened to (most of) that 40 minute yarn? WTF?

[@mikekitchen9413]

A few thoughts: - NOT including DSP in the sub means that we as potential purchasers don't have to pay for it. I see that as a good thing, as I'd rather have my AV processor do it anyway. I don't really understand why anyone would wish to do it within a sub, just a dumb place - Class A/B vs Class D on sound quality is still under debate. I currently have an AB, but have owned a Class D. A key point that I found out to my displeasure was having a board failure on my Class D. Class AB amps are well known technology and pretty easy to fix. Class D, nope, get a new board. On my amp, the main chip literally melted - I've never used an SVS sub. How does it deal with input to apply time delay? Is that done in the digital realm? If so, doesn't that mean that it has to digitise an analogue input, before applying the delay and then conducting another conversion back to digital? I'll let you consider the implications of that additional set of steps - It would appear that you missed the real objective of the high level inputs, i.e. to better match the sub to the rest of a stereo system. I've previously owned a REL sub (currently own NO sub), and can happily vouch for it's benefits - Just how loud were you playing it to result in it shaking so much? - If the sub was shaking so much, that's NOT about cabinet bracing, rather the weight of the sub trying to deal with physics. If blu-tak is too much effort, does make me wonder. Additionally, why not do the obvious thing and add mass to the unit? I did with my old REL by stacking some slate chopping boards on top, which not only helped to eliminate that effect and also protected the top from dummies accidentally scratching it Sorry, but whilst I understand the content, the approach and mindset looks to be way off

[@propercushty]

Who knew a subwoofer could cause such debate? How's about we settle this with a dance-off instead!

[@Jim90wa]

Strongly disagree!!!

[@ifeanyidede2106]

This is the best review about a subwoofer I've heard. Thanks a lot.

[@dixonbuttes6564]

Are you Eddie, the kid from Jurassic Park that Dr. Alan Grant razzes in the start of the movie with his fossilized raptor claw? 🤔

[@thomashowe5256]

[I realize this is two years ago] The high level connection does not amplify the signal but it gets a signal complementing your main speakers. In the beginning you did not mention setup and your adjustment of the crossover (you said the response in the area of 130 hz was good, this indicates a too high a crossover level, as well “walking” of the sub and vibration of the glass of water tells that the level of gain you were using was way too high; with my REL S510 I have never seen this.

[@user-gz6tx6yp3v]

The S510 is way heavier and on rails, which is why it doesn't walk. The T9x does walk on hard floors I promise you. But a tiny amount of white tack under each foot resolves that.

[@jaycoleman5585]

I agree. I have the T5 and the crossover is @60. It compliments the main speakers without getting in the way. My system is 2 channel only as well.

[@manylch7964]

Sorry to hear you did not have a good experience with the T9X...the finish on mine was spotless on arrival without any scratches...it was easy to integrate...at the end of the day everything is subjective. I like how the REL handles my music ...every company does some marketing spin so don't be fooled and specs are not the be all and end all. You have to rely on your ears. My REL does not move at all for any reasonable noise level( up to 80 db. I just put some high density foam pads under the feet anyway as I have under my amp and CD source. The best advice is go and listen to a sub before buying and there are so many other variables for good sound, the most important of which is your room. REL is good for some folks and not for others. Yes it is 3 expensive but not outrageous.

[@JimConnaughton-s4p]

I sure Hope John Hunter doesn't see this Review to Here Him Describe a R E L sub there no other BRAND out there why I Don't own them

[@jamesoneill5810]

I have the The Red T9i along with a Rel HT 1508 in my room I think your splitting a hell of a lot hairs mate a 10 minutes of rant would have been sufficient...l think you need to up your budget for a subwoofer 45 minute rants don't hold viewer's attention span😂

[@minuteskill]

You should have checked the video to the end, the reviewer goes into detail about the sub's faults, all of which were extremely well reasoned to the average person checking these videos without much of an investment in the products discussed. Another very well made point later in the video is a discussion of several other subs on the market for less that the reviewer finds to be better. You see, the reviewer is not a one trick pony heavily invested in a single product because he saved up his money for that one in particular. Whenever people have many options and can fluently discuss several of them around the same price point or same quality etc then they dont seem to be overly invested in a single product and think its the best. Notice how the Rel name is thrown around as "the best musical sub" maker non stop. Now half the market thinks that because they are the best of the best and your grandma's neighbor told you so, then it must be worth the price. This video got me to check out a few subs I hadnt heard of and I am glad for it. I am not biased due to ownership, so I can hear negative things about Rel and appreciate them. The points made about marketing and how the technology of plugging your sub into some amplifier rather than sending the signal there via RCA make a lot of sense to me and I had already considered this could be a gimmick. Routing a signal that is colored by an amplifier then reamplified by another amplifier doesnt seem like what I am trying to do. It could very well be people love these subs more than any others they have heard, but I personally will be looking at Arendal mentioned in the video. The price for a dual 13.8in(35cm) sub is 2k less than the dual 12in s series I was looking at from Rel, so 2 of them could be had for a mere grand(usd) more than the flagship S series. The flagship Arendal has room correction app with parametric EQ to tune resonant bumps in room along with ability to measure response in room etc. These are powerful arguments and you dismiss them because you already own something. Perhaps you should consider you may be anchoring onto a particular brand and letting the price tag you paid get the best of your ego. Maybe dont be such an "end game" buyer and consider theres a world of different products out there if ya look a little.

[@jamesoneill5810]

@minuteskill l was bored after 10 minutes l could never have watched the entire rant to the end

[@myronhelton4441]

On my bookshelf speakers, my Rel only played a very narrow very low bass with no mids to raise the volume on the mid sounds on my speakers as some others subs do that I prefer. To tell the truth, I dont like subs.

[@schildersbedrijfvankempens1907]

Had a demo with a pair of Rel S510 subs. Very very good subwoofer and ordering a a pair today. I do not test subwoofers with a 100.000 dollar mic but just listen to them in a acoustic treated room and they are so good!

[@stephenpayne1222]

Many valid points. Was considering a pair of RELs or a 6 pack of subs to go with my Acoustic research AR9s and Hafler XL 600 as mono blocks. Got me thinking now. Thank you.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Man Triggered by Logos should be the title of this channel 🤣😂😭

[@robertbenton2804]

Excellent video, I subscribed. Anyway, I think by a musical sub REL means fast acting, which I can see their point. As far as their finish, I never had a problem with it, and find it to be one of the best around. As far as the (i series) compared to the (x series), I find as you did, that the (i series) is more refined cosmetically, aesthetically, and structurally. I have talked to REL on the phone, yes with an actual person, and I found them to be very cordial, and informative. They are obsessed with their speaker output option, and placing the sub in a far corner. I prefer to put the sub or subs closer to the actual main speakers since that make sense, at least to me, instead of nearly in another room. Again great video.

[@monx]

"subwoofer's job is to do the job" cmon man, try harder

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

And 40 minutes for that? Learn to edit. Learn the word “concise”. Lol.

[@keerthikumar2023]

You can probably find out a way to look at your notes while looking at the camera.

[@saratoga863]

tell me, MAN, what is a good SUB for 2 ch system w magnepan 1.7 speakers??thx

[@jamapaza]

I would buy a Monolith V2 12

[@stevendog510]

Excellent truthful review, unlike others. Initiallly the Subs add weight and dimension to music, but after further listening it's a constant chore of tweaking. I have a t7i for sale. Too many obstacles to dial in with mains...can't match my harbeths or magnepans...its a No for me! Cheers

[@kdomster9141]

REL makes amazing audio/stereo subs , blending with speakers super well , very musical . Unless you need subs to remove your drywall ? 😉

[@propercushty]

haha yes forget a DeWalt, just get an SVS PB16 ultra and load up a bass test

[@grahamprescott9426]

Your amp can make a big difference to how the high level sounds? I use a rotel rmb1585 and using high level it sounds great (T9i). Also my processor doesn't have a low level out, only a LFE out. So I don't have a option for low level out.

[@NeverTakeNoShortcuts]

REL is one of the few audio products that I actually found lives up to its reputation. I have had almost every major high end subwoofer and the REL is by far the best for music

[@audiononsense1611]

Hilarious....

[@AF-rd2vf]

It works seamlessly with my Maggie’s as I use the sub for music only.

[@bryansu]

without dsp, i really cant find it to work better.

[@Pentenfi]

I am not sure if the downward fiiring passive radiator is the best design choice. They could have gone for dual opposing 10" PRs instead. But then again, the size of the Ti/Tx series is so small, it's hard to get a proper tuning even using passive radiators. Pressure levels in PR - designs can get really high and hard to keep under control. Rel would disagree with me I guess but I think a main concern about there Ti/x series is looks rather then performance.

[@propercushty]

i guess 2 passive rads would eat into their profits, hence the single one. Monitor Audio Gold subwoofer has two passive rads and it's gorgeous

[@keithmoriyama5421]

The high level input does not use the power of the amp. Paul McGowan can explain the electrical principle behind this. No I don't think I know more than a pro. I am one for 35 years.

[@demonreturns4336]

The same Paul that rubs baby oil on his cables to allow for smoother digital delivery of content? Yea okay hahahaha lol lmao

[@MarkasTZM]

Wow. You can tell from the comments that Rel is a religion. I've always found that a tiny bit of bass EQ is far superior to trying to match a sub with existing speakers EVERY time so long as your main speakers are capable.

[@anxiousappliance]

If you don't like subs, what does that have to do specifically with REL?

[@user-gz6tx6yp3v]

Probably a bit late to the discussion , but have you tried more of a corner placement and turn down the gain? These are SQ subwoofers so speed, transients and overall sound quality over slam is the focus of these, to maximise slam they really need corner placement for room gain.

[@propercushty]

i tried at least 3 positions in the room and even tried dual subs with another t9i - thanks for the advice though

[@Manu-Official]

lol, he deletes comments.

[@ivanbogdaue]

I agree with all comments about the look of Tel t9x. Actually, I chose SVS 3000 Micro over Rel because I did not like how Rel looks.

[@calebkimbrough9627]

I’m not a fan of their logo. In photos/videos the REL and crown logo are all over but in person with grill on its hard to see any of it. They don’t stand out.

[@TrueAudio]

@@calebkimbrough9627 they should put them in lights 🚥 🚥

[@HermesTrismegistes369]

Yo James Corden aren’t you breaking contract from car karaoke?? 😂 All joking aside I’m getting the Perlisten R210s you should check it out. Kick ass subs! ✌🏼 & ❤

[@joebatters9438]

I love my REL.

[@ĪĪMizumiĪĪ]

I have to agree that so much audiophile stuff is definitely just a money grab, but at then end of the day, if you're happy with how it sounds and you feel like you got it at a good price then that's that. At least that's how I see it. Never heard or owned a REL sub so I can't really confirm or deny anything you really said in this video, but just the few non bs issues like shaking and small quality control seems like enough to think twice before buying one.

[@imsgoalie1]

I can't vouch for REL subs, but I can say that a lot of this criticism displayed a misunderstanding of some science, and as such was not so convincing. There's some good points in here regarding marketing, but much of the criticism was as bad as the people who speak in favor of the subs.

[@staceymangham]

You should of picked another brand to hate on to improve your U Tube algorithm i could do a 42 minute rant about your 42 minute rant so many things you say destroy any credibility but I'll keep it short thousands and thousands of people who a lot are audiophiles have purchased and are more than happy with rels when set-up right and follow the instructions properly are all weong and fools and your right its obvious you don't understand the concept of the hi level input and its benefits its to match them properly with your main speakers and boost frequencies below where your main speakers roll off and play in time with the main speakers which when set up correctly do extremely well i had my own set up with to high a crossover point and to much gain which sounded ok for a bass head maybe but not for accurate reproduction when set up correctly not only is the bass accurate and in time but also enhances high frequencies and imaging because i didn't set up like instructed because i thought i had enough experience doing it properly was a revelation you also made incorrect statements one was that the rel had no ability to alter the filter what do you rhink the adjustable crossover point and gain do also you took jabs at the appearance and that they didn't have any real wood finishs maybe not in the range you had but they definitely have some lovely wood finishs in other ranges i could go o for another 30 minutes but I'll finish by saying i own two rels of the same model one in my hi fi system and one in my home theatre borh do their jobs flawlessly granted there are better suited subs for home theatre but few that ace the dual roll when using both inputs in a dual purpose setup also one final thing the fact your sub which is dancing across the floor which can happen to any decent sub that isn't using spikes or a form of interface with the floor is telling me you had the crossover point and gain way to high probably both maxed out also waving a violin in front of the camera and stating you are a musician doesn't give you credibility its the accuracy of your statements. good luck and good wishs

[@Manu-Official]

Going to see a REL with cherry wood finish later today... That said, looks are irrelevant when you're watching a film, agreed the guy wastes an awful lot of time talking about looks, and that's just subjective.

[@andreasmoller9798]

I use Arendal 1723 1s subwoofer its perfect mixed subwoofer for music and movies, there is a lot of power for its size for music there is just not barely a limit of what that sub is cabable of, and thats just the power, its very clean,tight and controlled to

[@billymilano3499]

Distortion at the speakerconnectors coming from the amp ? you mean you can hear 0,02% distortion ? the first things that happens is dat any speaker wil distort before the amp does.

[@propercushty]

let's not get off topic - please explain how a speaker level connection makes for a better quality signal than line level RCA/XLR

[@andrewz925]

​​@@propercushty The idea behind using a high level connection like Rel is that your subs are seeing the same signal at the same time as the main speakers, so the system blends together better. If your amp is giving the mains any kind of tone or imparting some characteristic, it'll also give that to the subs so everything matches. Rel also designs the crossover circuit in a purposeful way to make it higher quality. The subs also receive a nice, strong, amplified signal, then you blend in where your mains naturally fall out.

[@carstenrosemann6526]

The REL is good for music, good in a stereo setup, because it is fast enough. you don't like the REL T9x?

[@propercushty]

i'm don't support their stance on DSP. They say DSP is bad for your setup because it 'slows the bass down' (paraphrasing but you get my point). The bass you hear is heavily influenced by your room - without digital controls, it's basically impossible to get your bass sounding as it should

[@carstenrosemann6526]

🤔 Not easy. Can I Test different subs at different positions? I don‘t habe a DSP and try without. I‘m a pure Nerd.

[@charleskatz2606]

Great review.Steve Huff said the same about the low input being better-Plus even people who think DSP hurts more than it helps full range agree below 150Hrz it's needed--WTF?Would love it if you got in a Rythmik sub or maybe some open baffle subs

[@rogerhanson3744]

I got a Rel T 5 ,bloody fantastic,no scratches and my front speakers are sounding much better ?

[@gianlucabassi8853]

Di you test It in that empty room?

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

Oooof! Can hear and see your passion and this video, Bud. 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[@propercushty]

😂 - cheers mate. That's years' worth of build up there 🤯. Feel better now 🤠 How's your family by the way?

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

@@propercushty Glad you feel better now 👍 😉 😂 All much better. 2 year old was back at nursery on Friday, Daughter and Son-in-law back to work Monday. Seven year old still fine. Thanks for asking. 😉

[@chebrubin]

No XLR for a "music" subwoofer? Give me a break. How dare you question REL(s) disregard for dedicated processor crossover RCA / XLR outputs.

[@anxiousappliance]

So you''re only going to buy the equipment that the studio used when they recorded the specific album you're listening to? Dang - now that's an expensive hobby!

[@andysummersthxcinemaandmyc7748]

I like the rel rant rubbing it in. lol I saw a rel video before seeing you're video, 2nd time now. I been so close to 98% to buying wasting £ on SVS PB16, but why? My JBL can do a frequency range that shallows down but with some DSP crossover and PEQ tuning can get them at 10Hz to 120Hz as 120Hz is the stopping point for LFE.1. LFE.1 range is 5Hz to 120Hz. Subs are going to find it awkward so that is where I have bass shakers take over at cos more felt than heard cos infersonic is inaudible. Just as high frequencies get past 8KHz the ear frequency range slopes off and so the turning PEQ and all needs to have certain frequency range tuning so the rest of the frequencies below 8Khz are less louder cos we can hear easily hear those frequencies. I can hear few sci-fi sound/fx in a movie Alien 3, 1992 that goes up 18KHz. Music mixes like, jean michel jarre will have a range to 20KHz few youtube videos may manage that some won't depending on what they used to rip the CD but the CD , up to 21KHz that I measured on RTA. Only my Cats can easily and annoying hear that range so easily but human hearing is rubbish compared to my Cats. Cat's range 40Hz to 90KHz it doesn't mean a Cat can't hear 30Hz or feel sense it? So Cats win. Unless got a pet Bat that is 1KHz to 100KHz? What does it matter "we" can't barely hear range once it gets past 8KHz it gets faint and needs to be greatly amplified to notice it as pinching pressure on the ear drum. I wouldn't touch a rel sub with a barge pole. Or any other home cinema made sub cos they never been used at cinemas. I use, JBL professional cinema subs 18" large boxes big sound or scale the size down for the small room but I am more accustomed to hearing/feeling them at cinemas in the past and they often cheap on ebay and all they need is Behrinher DCX2496 DSP loudspeaker management crossover and Behringer NX3000 that is more than enough even a NX1000 would suffice and wouldn't cost the silly daylight robbery prices rel are changing their products or any other greedy home cinema manufacturer to get more of the same thing, only used JBL PA subs are cheaper. It takes x4 or more subs to tango the single mono LFE.1 evenly in frequency once REW has been preformed. But the LCR surrounds have to also provide bass and I don't use bass management cos all the speakers in my room are JBL pro cinema and was cheap compared to say rip off, M&K 150 at £1.5k each daylight robbery, and M&K marketing is scamming the public to make star wars fan boys thinking they used those speakers for mixing star wars. yeah right sure? Only in post editing not for final film mix that is done using JBL professional PA speakers that are same used in cinemas so what they mix there, is same translation to the cinema or my THX home cinema, with real THX cinema in my amp rack. Those tiny M&K 150 wouldn't be able to handle Star Trek 6 opening titles on their own with the amount of bass! JBL PA cinema handle it easily cos the films was mixed on JBL and played back on JBL. Mine handle music at PA levels or calmer level in the dBA on the HF horns 2446 CD , 2380A horn can handle 120dbA which would be deafening and 85dBA peak is more than satisfactory. I heard had smaller JBL for years and wanted PA cinema but prices now have come down somewhat lower, got watch the bay, and know what JBL cinema PA and mine was made in late 80's and like a speaker goes. A speaker is a speaker, it's the crossover that makes the speaker. With DSP crossover I can tune, experiment until I am blue in the face, lol. Yes aware of harmonics when using sine wave and RTA and mic sees the 2nd 3rd 4th 5th and so on harmonics. My JBL used had scratches and they are all placed behind AT screen so as long as they do the proper cinema sound or PA club sound with LP or any other music that I can feel with LP makes me feel dizzy due to the frequency dynamics on the LP, chest feel. Place a coin on the sub does it fall over? if it does its due to internal breaching cos the box has a resonate frequency vibration? Oh so what. So does cars and buses have resonate vibration noises, think about it?

[@propercushty]

those jbl pro subs look very cool - the 5628 model caught my eye - but it so huge and needs that external amp - if i had projector screen i'd buy something like these jbl or jtr subwoofer and place behind the screen. I like the pb16 ultra because you get a real sense of headroom - the response at 15hz-40hz is just very clean and powerful..no hint of strain. And you control the dsp from the app so very easy to set up in room and it looks a bit like a big coffee table - in the real world you have to take into account all the variables - if i had unlimited resources and dedicated room, of course i'd be going with pro audio gear Vibrations on the cabinet do matter to some people - some people (believe it or not) use subwoofers as small coffee tables

[@andkulikov]

Having two t9i agree 100%, using with dsp, without it could not make them work. No neutric of course, this is marketing bull…t. They jumping on the floor and farting on low frequencies, plus the grill is rattling on high volumes. I have 40 REL logos next to TV

[@propercushty]

it's glad to see at least one person agrees then 😂😵‍💫

[@westensanchez9483]

This video in a nutshell: I dont understand REL so Im going to trash it for views.

[@shaolin95]

Or there are far better subs for less if you don't pay for brand names. Enjoy your koolaid

[@westensanchez9483]

@@shaolin95 I have yet to hear one, and I've heard a lot of them. It really is a remarkable sub.

[@killbasa2000]

Yes, you have to understand the brand, f***ing clown

[@shaolin95]

​@westensanchez9483 sure .you don't know what you don't know. Simple as that

[@joshschmidt8784]

Different lows for different folks is what it comes down to. I have heard subwoofers that people rave about and thought they were just okay, and preferred the sounds of a different manufacturer. No one person is right or wrong, it comes down to your ears personal preference. This is his opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@bluematrix5001]

42 mins Rant?? this boy need a Burger!

[@BrettinLux]

I’d start with that room and treat it a bit.The REL is one of the best subwoofers under €2k over heard.I am running 2 of them with my stereo system and they integrate perfectly.Maybe it’s to much for the room size or speaker size.I will agree that the polishing could be a little better,but it’s still good for the money.REL doesn’t market them as a HT subwoofer and they never will be.

[@propercushty]

if they don't market it as HT subwoofer, then why does it say REL Theater Reference on the bottom..

[@giangvu7902]

Not sure if SVS can hold a candle to REL.

[@propercushty]

perhaps not - thanks for sharing

[@bobking7347]

They're for two different markets and purposes, stupid comment.

[@jwilson086]

What specifically do you feel REL does better than SVS? Just curious.

[@demonreturns4336]

@@jwilson086 a whole month later and giang vu is still probably thinking about an answer to that question

[@Maver1ck911]

​@propercushty dog you spoke for 40 minutes for what. Holy shit. If you think Genelec and Rel are for the same application I've got a bridge to sell you.

[@gingerninja7187]

Your rel t9i is a special edition, and doesn’t come with the silver feet , but the standard rel t9i do have the silver feet ,just like the t9x , I know what your saying about the new rel t9x being shorter ,it’s almost like they have turned the subwoofer cabinet on its side ,but I like it ,tbh all we want to know is it’s better or worse than the t9i , and personally there are slight differences although rel use the same amplifier on both models , I like all the branding , personally there isn’t anything that I would criticise ,

[@newsigmundfreud3023]

👍🏻

[@simonverveer2590]

Honest review , thanks for that . Subbed your channel to watch your other video's. Also on the marked for a subwoofer for 2 channel stereo and floorstanders. And watching these video's helps a bit . Keep up the good work. Greetings from the Netherlands

[@propercushty]

Hey thanks for the kind comments and if you want to run any potential equipment by me just let me know!

[@MRPC5]

That Dynaudio 18s is $1800 in the US!!

[@robertwilliams1215]

Wow, a 3rd video, OMG. Yes, it's class A/B, it has a 5 lb. toroidal transformer that gives it more low end presence and tactile response, that's what class A/B amps do compared to Digital amps whether for subs or an amp connected to full range ( not bookshelf ) speakers. Digital amps have and are getting better but they generally offer a more "hollow" sounding bass sound, class A/B gives you full rounded bass. Yes, you have extensively shown us how NOT to implement and place a REL subwoofer. Thanks God you've sold it and you can give yourself a rest.

[@tms372]

A/B amps have much more current then the same watt class D amps, perfect for a sub.

[@kace2006]

At gunpoint, would you chose the dynaudio 18s or the kef sub for 2 channel stereo? Great review btw

[@propercushty]

lol i don't get why I would have to be at gunpoint in this scenario 😂 Depends what room you're in and what you're pairing the sub to.... But my gut tells me to try the dynaudio first

[@videosight1]

Why so looooong daaaang!

[@Kami84]

He likes the sound of his own voice it seems. It was way too long.

[@dougg1075]

I love my two Sunfires. 2800 watts of pure pain with the ability to crush and contain. Bass so deep make your grandma freak. Paid 1500 dollars in 1998. Still rocks

[@propercushty]

sounds amazing!

[@tareyallen1553]

I owned a Sunfire as well when it first came out. It was the sub to have for HT at the time. I found it to be slow when reproducing music however, due to its stiff thick rubber surround. I soon sold it and ended up buying 2 Entec LF20 servo subs and immediately learned that fast, lightweight cones with nimble surrounds, and servo control over woofer excursions, both forward (+)and backwards (-)really clean up the coherency of 2.1 , 2.2 channel music.

[@ravi.r9851]

I hope you got it on trial as you are now stuck with REL's you do not want. I will buy it off you if you like.

[@propercushty]

i did have it on trial - so fortunately for me I could send them back. When i got them I had every intention of keeping them, so for me to do a complete 180 degree turn and send them all back tells you something - they just weren't for me as I'm looking for something that delivers the 'overall package' rather than one-trick pony

[@RobTSLA]

I cant beleive you got such a low level of subscribers, very knowledgeable, good review

[@hemantsharma47]

I don't think dsp helps with room modes

[@RobWhittlestone]

I really agree with you about REL branding. 20 logos is waaaay too much! I would prefer the feet to have NO logo, the drivers don't need logos either IMHO because there is a very nice badge on the top. That should be enough! Rolls-Royce cars don't have RR on every door! A discrete RR on the radiator grille is enough! Cabinet moving around the floor: KEF have been solving the problem of unbalanced forces for at least 20 years by having opposing drivers - in the KC62 this is taken to the next level by having one magnetic assembly for both opposing drivers. Theoretically you could compensate for the delay by placing the sub further forward of the main speakers, allowing their sound to travel forward to arrive at the same time the sub makes those waves.

[@luigimaccagnola5031]

After seeing this critical, complete and objective review I really think I will start following this channel. Greetings from Italy

[@sleeper1023]

Bro this is the second time I'm commenting on any of your videos. I played this whole bit in the background and I'm just laughing because it dawned on me how much snake oil there is in a lot of retail stores. Much of my stuff are on the pro audio side, and all these consumer brands have been really confusing for me when I tried putting together a couple of "hifi" setups here at home.

[@propercushty]

yeah there is definitely alot of cloak and dagger action in Hifi mate. Got to be careful or you waste all your money

[@michaelwright1602]

What I have found is that less is better. Find a great pair of speakers and start there, keep the gear to a minimum. With the inexpensive technology we have at our fingertips, that is getting easier to do. I have the Cambridge CXN v2 network streamer, an XTZ Edge A2-400 amp, a pair of KLH Model 5's and two SVS SB3000 subs. it gets the job done. I'm done, off the audio gear carousel.

[@MOAB-UT]

Very good, honest review. I got a REL 1205 for $450- new w/warranty. I will use it mostly for music and some home theatre. I am not too picky. I think it should work. It will be on carpet so I don't think it will dance. Should I have it free standing or wedge it in tight under my entertainment center?

[@propercushty]

i'd leave it freestanding myself

[@damianhaber4890]

I'm considering buying one at the sale price of $450 myself. Do you recommend it?

[@MOAB-UT]

@@damianhaber4890 It arrives tomorrow so follow up with me on Friday. I think for $449 it is a no brainer. I also bought the 4 year warranty via Best Buy. It is very good to buy from them since it is a brick and mortar you can return to or get a full refund 4 years from now if needed. A superior sub is the Rythmik F12 "affordable" version. You can save about $100 if you have your own cabinet. I also bought the KEF KC62- to audition (15 days) via Best Buy $1,500. To me it's meh. Sounds good. Goes low and is fast but not with as much SPL in the low range. It would be excellent for $500. It is going back. I think I will end up keeping the REL 1205. If Best Buy had the F12 I would have gotten that. I don' t like that I would have to mail it back if there is ever an issue. I also doubt it is far better than the 1205. Better, sure but not twice as good and nearly twice the price. $449 is a no brainer. My advice is to get it new with warranty via Best Buy. If you don't love it, return it and get something else. Are you mostly listening to music or home theatre or in what ratio? All these sealed subs are best for music. Also, two 1205's will generally sound better than one in a good sized room. You also have to dial them in and use REW to get them set up correctly (location, crossover, etc.)

[@deanryder4922]

I love this guy and his review .Thought at one point his head was going to explode because his classmates stole his lunch money .Come on rel send the boy a few dozen Donutes .That might spike his blood sugar levels and a liking to rel.

[@34332]

Fantastic breakdown re. distortion, inputs, dsp, 'midfi guys' crap, anti-vibration badges and mambo-jambo. RELigion is also briljant 😄👍 Not sure if you got a Patreon channel, but I gladly subscribe if so.

[@propercushty]

Wow thank you Mike! Finally up to date with my comments - I'm getting to your ones and they're all good (thank god...been a tough one today). I haven't got a Patreon channel mate - I've been thinking about it but honestly I'm not motivated by money for many reasons. I guess one day soon I will have to start it because I can't just keep losing - but right now I am ok. Absolutely gobsmacked, thankful, thrilled that you would consider supporting me with actual money. I'm actually smiling whilst writing this and I feel quite proud. Thanks again :)

[@34332]

@@propercushty Your welcome MDT. I really appreciate your approach and nerve to address the elephant(s) in the room and it shows. Besides that, there's really good info to be found and, imo, well worth the support. To be honest, I have often questioned myself If I would support channels and this is the first time I feel it's really worth , but I get your point. Then again, time and effort comes with a 'price' (besides some free disturbed reactions, lol). Thanks for your insights and keep up the spirit. 👊

[@propercushty]

@@34332 One thing I will say is at least all the 'disturbed reactions' helps me develop a thicker skin! Trollers don't understand that they actually help me psychologically - sounds very counter-intuitive, but it's true! Thanks again mate :)

[@rudran65]

Fantastic..review.Hats off dear

[@ChrisDomnik]

I own a T9x and I'm quite happy with it. This video has given me some food for thought, though. I'll definitely shop around more next time. Thanks for the eye-opening rant!

[@emmet7208]

Please don't fall for the smaller drivers are quicker crap, the driver/subwoofer is rather designed well or it is not.

[@matthewtowns1548]

Isn’t the idea of the hi level input to give it the same sound signature as what’s coming out of the amp to help it blend in?

[@jdavis234]

Yes.

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

Yes. And REL is not the only company that offers the option. Additionally, there are some people with no option for low level inputs. Like a DJ mixer going direct to an amplifier. Small group but it does exist.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

If true Hi-fi is what the studios use then you are saying an Atom, Genelic, or Focal sub is the best?

[@propercushty]

i guess the point i was making is if you want the sound to be representative of 'what the producer heard' then the producer probably wouldn't have been using a REL sub. Am I right in assuming that to be an audiophile means you want to hear what the producer heard? .. or has the definition changed...correct me if I'm wrong! If you want to hear something that just sounds good to your ears, then that's fine (i'd call your a melophile rather than an audiophile)....but I also wouldn't pretend that REL's product line is superior to anything else because for some reason professional studios seem to be using completely different gear that heavily relies on DSP to account for the room. The professional standard is certainly not manually crossing over subwoofers by ear with high level speaker cable connection!

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@propercushty You're right I want to hear what the producer heard. I like Jimmy Hendrix, so I guess I need a triple Marshall stack in my family room!

[@DanielRivera-wn7ne]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz LMAO!

[@dawn-moon]

I feel like you're trying to twist things here... Focal products known and used in a studio's are it's pro monitors, not it's subs... Focal is not a subwoofer company. F.e. the Focal dome subwoofer that looks like R2D2 had walking issues too, that's why they have more boxed sub now. The 800V subwoofer was way underpowered etc... that is not where Focal shines... if you're into audio and have tested/heard their products, you just know.

[@deputy3690]

REL's are superior subs in my opinion.