Why I Sleep Inside my 4Runner

[@MrSer1962]

My wife and I sleep in the back of our 5th gen 4runner also. It be tight but in cold weather it is nice and cozy. We have to move stuff from the back to the front seats but we have that down. In the last year and a half we have spent over 40 nights in the back of the 4runner.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Nice! 40 nights, that's impressive

[@ChrisArrowood7309]

Good job! After many coupes and sedans I just got a 2021 4Runner and a whole new world has opened up to me. I am very interested in car-camping and your video gave me several ideas! Thanks for sharing!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

You're welcome Chris. Welcome to the car-camping club, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!

[@Jax4umalta]

I agree with all you said. I sleep in my Toyota FJ all the time. I also have a gazelle but a T3 as im a single person so its big enough for me. But I love to sleep in the FJ. Its no set up time and its cozy. I use the passenger side as my kitchen set up and sometimes will bring a small pop up bathroom tent if needed. Its perfect.

[@Lumpschlevot]

Nice setup. I always thought rooftop tents are cool but wasn’t sure about the sacrifice on giving up roof space and raising the CG. You settled it for me.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Since I published this video, my wife got a RTT on her truck and while I like it, I still like sleeping in my 4Runner better.

[@swampssa]

For me there were a few negatives of a RT that sat above giving up the roof space. 1. The weight. Lots tossed up on top gives a weird weight balance. 2. Taking it off when you need to just isn’t that easy. 3. Honestly the price VS practicality just isn’t worth it. Are you really willing to spend a few grand to sleep up on your vehicle compared to just a few hundred to pop up a tent on the ground?

[@thegiant573]

Well with a name like grumpy gobbler I had to subscribe. I have always thought I would sleep inside my 4Runner. Only had it 3 weeks can't wait to get out and try it.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

LOL, thanks for subscribing. Congrats on your 4Runner, hope you enjoy sleeping inside.

[@ScootersBasement]

I can totally relate to your set up Grumpy. I just bought a new Tacoma long bed and put a topper on it. I built a bed platform inside. I really like the idea of being out of the elements and the added security. A ground tent or roof top tent would need to air out and dry out after a rain or snow. And like you mentioned, less time setting up and taking down tents. Also sleeping in my topper, there's no worries of those pesky little critters (mice) who seemed to move right in not long after you set up your ground tent lol. I also have a roof rack/basket on top of my topper and plan utilize that area for gear. 👍

[@onigizmo1]

Totally agree. It’s so much convenient and saves you plenty of time. Thanks for sharing!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thanks for taking time to comment.

[@The_Wandering_Couple]

My wife and I use our 4Runner to camp in all the time. We use the roof to store all our gear that is okay to sit out all the time and we have molle paneling/shelf over the rear window area and a shelf as high up as it can go. It stores our air up pillows, and blankets. Works perfectly for us and we also have a border collie that is always with us and cuddles up no issue ! We use our front seats for our two coolers and our bags which hold our cloths for a week and a half. We spend months away like this.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

You’re really making the most of your setup, that’s awesome.

[@OverlandPNW]

All valid points! I actually like sleeping in the vehicle as well but now have an RTT. Best quote from the video is the "I'll respond to every comment unless you're a jackass." Love it!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Funny that you commented on my video today, I just watched your 5 snow driving tips video. All 5 tips are good ones (6 if including not listening to your brother). You're not a jackass, so I responded :-)

[@JB-by8tw]

My wife and I do the same! I use the leveling app on my iphone to level the 4runner and I have leveling ramps to adjust where needed. I love that the back of the 5th gen is flat with the sliding tray. I have a Viper alarm remote start, didn’t even think about remote starting and heating the insidem of the cabin with the auto shutoff…great idea!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Remote start works like a charm for sure.

[@rosco9607]

I also sleep in my 4 Runner using a 4 inch air pad. I do not need a platform at all. Thanks for sharing your set up!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

You're welcome Rosco. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

[@zerokool-2058]

Also rooftop tent will weight down your car more. Sleeping inside you’re already safe from elements, and other things. Easy to get up and drive in an emergency situation. I would add fuel to the rooftop instead.

[@larrywallace3637]

Makes sense to me. I like the screens for the windows. Love the awning too. If I was setting my 4RUNNER for camping I would have the bed on the passenger side with my fridge on the driver's side. I think then a person could recline the drivers seat for sleeping and a spouse could use the bed. I haven't proven that concept but that is my idea.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Valid point. I could go the other way and sleep in the passenger seat and my wife could sleep in the bed...this way, the steering wheel is not in the way.

[@cramias1]

I think rooftop tents are a necessity on short wheelbase vehicles like jeeps, and have been somewhat cargo culted onto other vehicles where they make less sense. The truly instant setup of an interior platform - just pull over and you're ready to go - and storm worthiness that outweighs any tent-based setup are really hard to ignore. It does require you to exercise some self-control in terms of what you bring, you can't just stuff the vehicle full to bursting with cargo, which is another reason I think some folks have struggled and ended up bolting on a rooftop tent. But for gas mileage, weight distribution, stealth, convenience, a well-built interior platform is hard to beat.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Totally agree with you. I do struggle with bringing too much stuff and have not found the "right" amount yet, but getting there.

[@dirtbag4761]

I did a rear seat delete, built storage on the passenger, and a vault on the drivers. Plenty of head room to sit up and move around.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I may reconfigure to give myself a bit more headroom, but I just really like the way the drawers are setup.

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

I love this practical approach and it's free!

[@magenta0225]

Thanks for the video. You just reinforced what we were already thinking. We have a 2 person platform in our 4runner, and love it so far. Now I'm regretting not having the remote start as I'm wanting to camp in winter now. Hmmmm....maybe I'll get some sort of after market, but I'm scared to have people messing with the electrics.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

My 4Runner didn't have remote start so I got this and installed it myself: www.12volt.solutions/products/2010-2018-toyota-4runner-plug-play-remote-start-kit-g-key?_pos=2&_sid=1df66dc78&_ss=r Was pretty painless to install and unlike the factory remote start, it doesn't turn off the engine when you open a door.

[@MtgCoach]

...and I want to get the remote start to fire up the AC at night during the AZ summers!

[@fpartidafpartida]

Best Buy does a great job installing these. They would cover anything that inadvertently went wrong.

[@JoeBuck-uc3bl]

I too would prefer to sleep in back of the vehicle instead of a tent. Just for the little things, like a cougar not ripping my throat out while I’m sound asleep. Second factor is, compare cleaning and drying a HUGE tent (and compared to even large bed sheets, even a smaller tent is absolutely enormous)…with just getting a car wash.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

LOL, I do like not getting my throat ripped out by a cougar.

[@stevevice9863]

I've got a sleeping platform in my 2000 4Runner and it is way more comfortable than sleeping on the ground, and much dryer than sleeping in a tent in the rain. Rooftop tents also reduce fuel economy pretty drastically, due to the increased drag. The weight that high also raises your center of gravity and can get the vehicle "tippy"...kind of scary on vehicles that are usually already lifted.

[@richardzollinger4750]

Nice set up..I do the same. Not gonna give up good roof space on my Gobi for a tent. I generally solo camp so inside works for me for the same reasons you mentioned.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you.

[@norsewarlock8331]

We sleep in our 4Runner or camper because we like to be a little further removed from wildlife at night like bears or wolves depending on where we are. For us it is a little more comforting to be inside something without fabric walls.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Couldn't agree more.

[@pingpongballz5998]

Roof top tents are expensive and heavy. I go overlanding in my Mazda CX-5. I just put the backseats down and put sleeping pads. Me and my wife fit pretty good. I got a roof box and hitch bike rack. We're good to go.

[@livelife7440]

4Runners are probably my favorite vehicle but the low payload numbers will keep me from buying another one in the future. Probably going with a used Frontier with a bed topper. Great video and I had the slide deck in my old 4Runner and would just throw a mat in the back and grab my sleeping bag when I went camping.

[@leylandroberts4820]

Got a similar set up I my Lancruiser 200 series. I've got draws in the boot but when I fold the middle seats down and put a fordable ply platform over the top with tri fold mattress. It's great with so many different configurations. Can fold it all up and take middle row passengers. Just like you I love the insulation and security of sleeping I the truck. The twin turbo V8 Diesel will go anywhere in the bush with comfortable sleeping!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thanks for taking the time to comment Leyland. I thought about making a folding platform, but I just never have rear passengers and wanted the storage under the platform.

[@thebrizzy]

I concur 100%. I do this in my Lexus GX and I did it in a Toyota Highlander on a cross country trip.

[@lonesomecricket7721]

I agree, I would most definitely sleep inside. I own a FJ Cruiser so I would be a bit more cramped, but it’s doable. Plus the roof top tent adds a bunch of weight up top. Your set is just perfect.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thanks Nathan. I love FJ's, but agree it would be more cramped.

[@Kramer140]

Really enjoying your channel and adventures, keep them coming and happy camping!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you, glad you are enjoying my channel and thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@Treetopflyer777]

Man. Love this setup. You’ve given me some great ideas.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@TimmyCramer]

Great setup. I also sleep inside my 2004 4runner happily. Happy camping! Timmy C Arizona

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thanks for the comment Timmy. Happy camping to you as well.

[@Bluto4r]

Great video. I put a drawer system in my 4runner and sleep inside. It's a little cramped, but am ok with it. Only drawback is mattress pad. I have a cheapo folding plastic pad and an inflatable backpack mattress that I use. Not very comfortable, but it works.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you, glad you liked the video. Yes, certainly cramped. A better mattress pad will certainly help you. I love mine.

[@InGratitudeIam]

For protection, sleeping inside the vehicle is the only option. Critters that can get you on the ground can climb ladders. Then there's the whole thing about needing to take a leak in the middle of the night. At least from the vehicle, if you stumble out, it's not that far. :))

[@tybrady1935]

Toyota is coming out with a hybrid 4Runner. Toyota hybrid vehicles typically allow you to leave the the heat or AC on for hours. Heat shouldn’t be needed if you have a warm sleeping bag, but the AC is very efficient. The AC doesn’t run off of the engine, it uses the electricity from the big battery and then turns on the engine every fifteen minutes or so to recharge the battery. I might wait for a hybrid 4Runner so I can get better gas mileage.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I would imagine that with the new 4Runner being a hybrid, there will be less space inside to sleep. The new Sequoia loses a lot of space because of the batteries. I would certainly like being more efficient, but not at the cost of space.

[@ceemiselrooy889]

great vid my dude, very informative and I like your practicality

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you Cee.

[@AldermanFredCDavis]

I don't camp and there are few things less comfortable than sleeping in a passenger vehicle during a humid northeastern U.S. summer, however, on my fall and winter road trips, I just recline my driver's seat and get a very decent night's sleep. Probably not ideal to do for a week, but perfectly fine for a night or two. Benefit (for me) is, I don't have to remove my "stuff" out of the back.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Luckily we don't have much humidity here in Colorado. I also wouldn't sleep inside if it was humid.

[@suecharnock9369]

You know what - I quite like living in the UK! The worst thing I can where I am get sleeping in the woods is a tick bite or visit from a large deer.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hi Sue, I work with a lot of people in the UK and they are always amazed at the wildlife here.

[@joesoutdoorplaces]

I’m currently sleeping in the back of my 4Runner. I cannot open the back hatch so I struggle to get out a side door. I’m about to solve that with a switch kit mod. I’ve also found it extremely difficult to get into the front seat from the back. Perhaps impossible if the front passenger seat is full of gear, which it usually is. I’m going to have to check out more of your videos to see how you’ve addressed these issues. Thank you for an interesting video.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

My front passenger seat is usually full of gear as well. I am not that flexible, but I get out of the side door ok. I have thought about getting the switch kit mod, but have not done it yet.

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Where does one buy the switch kit mod?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@bluenetmarketing There are several places to get one. I have not installed one yet, so I can't recommend one. Do a search for 4Runner hatch switch mod and you'll see some pre-made kits.

[@bluenetmarketing]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Thank you!

[@Halfpace52]

As a solo hiker/backpacker and love off grid campsites vs the frontline campgrounds, and after extensive research, I got a 2020 LC heritage edition because it has no 3rd row seats. Comfort of RV vs freedom, I think I made right choice. Since I can’t do it myself, I had guys put two platforms. One is for a bed and my solar battery fits under yet I have enough spaces for plastic ens under. Other half, they made a flat bed just to even out the floor and my ICECO refrigerator toward the back. I can sit up during the night if needed and I can use it as 2nd sleeping platform when my husband is with me. I carry an extra sleeping pad from Sea to Summit. Maybe later but I’m not ready to make any drilling or any other permanent work on my LC yet😅

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

The LC is a great choice! I've thought about going to something a bit bigger like the LC. Happy Trails!

[@jsprite123]

Nice video. I also intend to sleep inside my 4Runner. Q: What about ventilation? Do you leave a sliver of a window open for air? With all windows closed, is there enough air to sleep overnight without worrying about CO2 accumulation?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Yes, I always leave at least one window cracked.

[@john3532947]

Thanks for the video! Coincidentally I have been considering an SUV tent for my Xterra…but since I’m kinda short anyway, I could probably just slide the drivers seat all the way forward and tilt the seat back towards the steering wheel and have plenty of room to comfortably stretch out. That definitely saves me the expense and added time of setting up and breaking down a tent. Thanks again!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I think you'll be happy with sleeping inside your Xterra. Every time I think of moving on to something else, I sleep inside my 4Runner and come to my senses.

[@ttpv]

Where could I get the mesh screens you have covering your windows? Do you like that brand?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Sorry about the delayed answer. I got the screens from Amazon and they are perfect. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NZSDB5M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[@mikesweeney5685]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Thanks for the video, very informative, liked & subbed! I miss the Colorado mountains. Did you get the medium screens? Also, on your foam mattress, is 75" x 25" comfortable or does it feel to tight? I have a 5th generation 4Runner Limited and thinking about the occasional overnight camping. Do you remove the 2nd row seat bottoms for extra length when you camp? Thanks in advance and keep the videos coming!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@mikesweeney5685 Hello Mike, thanks for subscribing. Yes, I got the medium screens. My mattress is a little tight, but not too bad. I had no real choice as that was the biggest one that would fit. I removed my entire 2nd row seats to build a sleeping platform. Video on what I did here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGjbh6hud6mLpZI If you decide to camp inside your 4Runner, you may find it a bit tight at first, but you'll get used to it. I love it.

[@mikesweeney5685]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Thanks Noah for your response and the link to your drawer/platform build. Very nice!

[@Zeus-ji3kd]

What kind of awning is that? You have a great setup! I just ordered my 2022 4Runner and am super stoked.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hi Taylor, congrats on your new 4Runner. Hopefully it won't too long to take delivery. My awning is an OVS 180 (Overland Vehicle Systems)

[@GoFlyPix]

Gazelle tents rock!!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I agree with you, we have one that we use from time to time.

[@GoFlyPix]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler awesome! I’ve had mine for about 3 years, used about 10 times camping no issues whatsoever. I love how easy it is to set up and take down. Awesome rent.

[@Bob-Campbell]

I’d like to do a sleeping platform but I run into it not being long enough. I’m 6’1”. I’m curious how long your platform is.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I don't know the exact measurement, but will get that tomorrow. I do believe it might be a bit too short for you. I am only 5'9".

[@Nadirthebottomrock]

I'm 6'0, and I'm able to sleep comfortably in my 5th gen with a very similar setup. All the points he hit on are the same reasons I sleep in my 4runner.

[@hauk3839]

I have anime on both sides. 2 gun rack boxes for storage on rhino racks. Mini vans have so much fun with 2 kids and wife. Weather tech did great on all window instillations

[@CustomerService-ut9tj]

I have yet to meet a single person who’s purchased a rooftop tent that’s used it more than a few times. I’ve heard complaints about them, breaking the rack structure that supports them, I’ve also heard complaints about trying to set up and tear down in the rain, which up here in the Pacific Northwest is 9 + months of steady rain. But hey, they make you look cool..?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Yes, they certainly make you look cool. My wife actually has a RTT on her truck and we like it...we do use it, it's not just for the cool factor 😁

[@sharingtheadventure]

Everyone, this tri-fold mattress in currently on sale on Amazon at 51% off! The MSRP is $150. With 51% off, it is now $74...but wait...that's not all. There is also a 20% coupon so you get another almost $15 off. So...that makes this mattress $59!!!! Not bad. Now, I actually just bought this mattress and I'm about 6 ft. and 210 lbs so I kinda sink into it alot...so I plan to use it with a Nemo Tensor Insulated air pad underneath. The Nemo Tensor is almost exactly the same size. Just a heads up to anyone that may want one.

[@zenofthemoment]

Agree with it all. I built a platform for my dogs and I to sleep on when travelling between Idaho and Wisconsin several times each year, and it works great. I'd highly recommend the rear hatch switch mod for the 4Runner if you're going to do this. Makes window, hatch, and door lock management so much easier. I don't have remote start, but that would also be incredibly handy from the sleeping quarters. Another great thing about sleeping inside your vehicle is that it's low key. On the outside, it just looks like a parked car. No stickers, minimal exterior mods, just looks basically stock. I feel it makes me less of a target. Gas stations, police, etc all ignore me. That's very handy when sleeping in populated areas and saves a ton on hotels. (See also: Stealth Car Camping)

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I've thought about doing the rear hatch mod, but just have not gotten around to it. Even if I had it, I would still probably enter/exit from the side door. Would be nice to roll down the window in the summer though.

[@zenofthemoment]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler the handy part is not having to crawl up front to turn the key to roll the window. I opted for 3 flush mount switches. Keeps it low key and clean with nothing sticking out that can be broken off. I enter/exit thru the hatch, so it really helps there, since I can open it without having to roll down the window and reach outside. It's been a real handy mod for me personally, and the guy that sells the parts was great to work with. Can't recommend him enough.

[@TonyPhillips-jy7ev]

Safety number one

[@samuraistabber]

Awesome vid. What model jackery do you have? And what fridge is that?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you! I have both the 500 and 1000 Jackery's. I tend to use the 500 in winter and the 1000 in summer. The fridge is a Aspenora (think it's a Chinese knock-off). It actually works really well, but they are not available anymore. I am now trying out the RV45D by SetPower because it has a freezer. I only have 1 trip on it so far.

[@chetmakowski463]

Wow! Great points! Thanks!

[@juliepark4717]

Can you show us how your awning opens and closes, and where you bought it from? I like that it covers more than the average awning. Thanks!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hello Julie, you can see me deploying the awning at about 4:35 into this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHfWp6icrZqjmbc

[@sbumpus4513]

Nice job! Do you recall where you purchased mat/mattress? Looks like just what I need this fall! Thx!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Got it from Amazon, here is the link: amzn.to/34FHaJI Here is the bag: amzn.to/3gt2dSr

[@TonyPhillips-jy7ev]

Just need space for two I’m sold nice thx sharing

[@CraigG21]

Thinking about doing the same in a Grand Cherokee L. I would just keep my injected molded cooler (non-powered) outside under the awning. Would like to do something low profile to maximize headroom. Could keep other supples on a swing out storage box, or one on the roof of the SUV. Thanks for the video with your setup.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

More headroom would be nice, that's the only thing I really struggle with.

[@anthonyd5189]

Pretty sweet setup man! Might go this route for the first few overland trips just to make sure we're into it before spending a bunch of money on tents and things.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Sounds like a good plan. I'm glad I didn't buy a RTT like I was thinking about before sleeping inside my 4Runner.

[@mrjb8502]

I’m considering a 2024 4-Runner and would also like the simplicity of sleeping inside. What is the benefit of a sleeping platform? Is the 4-runner bed not flat enough for an inflatable mattress pad and sleeping bag?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

In my 4Runner there is a hump, so a mattress would be uncomfortable. I also wanted storage and drawers.

[@niccarnot4113]

Just came across this informative video. Question.... is the natural rake to a 5th Gen - front being lower than the rear - cause the sleeping area to be non-level? I was thinking of a leveling kit for my new '23, but having acid reflux the angle may actually be advantagous to me if I sleep head toward the rear as opposed to, or in addition to, a purpose built sleeping platform made with an integral angle. Keep up the interesting videos!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Yes, the natural rake is lower in the front. I level mine at camp with rocks to get it the way I like it.

[@Jimsranch]

I saw some pictures last summer taken by a Ranger of an SUV parked outside in Steamboat. The back windows had been 'grabbed' by a bear and popped right open (shattered). There was some kind of food that the bear really wanted - ignored the dog food. I have a similar set up for inside sleeping but don't have remote start on my ORP- I will look in to remote start. Great videos- thanks-

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

That is why I am always armed when I camp...you never know. I got my remote start from 12 Volt Solutions. Works perfectly and easy to install.

[@yotagang3705]

Me personally I would never sleep in a tent, my anxiety will not allow me to go to sleep, simply im too scared a bear or ted bundy is gonna stick his finger up my butt, same goes for a rtt. I have a tacoma reg cab and a high roof shell works great for me for camping and urban sleeping.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

This comment actually made me laugh out loud

[@jamesmeyer1325]

I just went on a 3-week trip in May-June 2022, sleeping inside my 4Runner - it was my first such trip. I got a 25" wide trifold foam mattress, which it worked great. My 4Runner has the sliding rear cargo deck, which provides a perfectly flat sleeping surface. If you don't have that, it would be easy to level the floor with plywood or foam sheeting. It was pretty cozy, and worked well most of the time. I was staying only one night, maybe two, in each location. BUT - I found I was doing too much time driving and not enough relaxing and enjoying the area. Being a photographer, I should be spending more time in each location to get familiar with the lighting and have more chance of getting some good shots. Also, I felt trapped in the vehicle when it rained or was very cold. So next time, I plan to bring a tent with me, set up a base camp and spend at least 3 nights in each destination. A tent wouldn't take up that much more space in the truck, and would give me another option. I will still keep my current setup so I can stop overnight at rest areas and such. In bear areas, I could just sleep inside the vehicle, although I don't think bear attacks happen often enough to worry about. I am trying to coax my wife into coming with me, so a tent (and probably some cots) will be needed for sure. So - bottom line: less driving, more camping and hiking. I really try to minimize the amount of stuff I bring. The vehicle gets full pretty quickly and I found I didn't need most of the junk I brought. I did end up buying a lawn chair at an REI so I didn't have to sit at picnic tables (if in fact there were picnic tables). I eat simple, mostly dehydrated food which doesn't need refrigeration. I'll stop at a restaurant once in a while to indulge myself in a good meal, but I got used to eating light, and even lost 8 pounds! I learned to pee into a plastic urinal so I didn't have to get up several times at night. Having an awning is a nice idea. I rigged up a simple tarp with a couple of telescoping poles - honestly I didn't use it much but I think it would be good to have if you're out in the summer heat and sun, with no trees or shade. I'll probably get a better awning that is quicker to set up and take down when you are just passing through. Check out the new Kammok Crosswing awning, which will be available in November 2022. Sets up and takes down in 5 seconds or less - literally! I don't think I'll get a rooftop tent, for a couple of reasons. First, I am getting old and it isn't as easy to climb up and down off the roof. Also, it would still be too confining. I bought a 6 - person ground tent which is tall enough for me to stand up in. With a comfortable chair, I could spend several hours inside reading or sleeping if the weather went bad. And having the rooftop tent attached to the vehicle means you'd have to take it down every time you went out on an excursion from your base camp. I guess if you are spending just one night in each location it might make sense, but even for that, I don't see much advantage compared to sleeping inside the vehicle. Happy trails!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I do have a Gazelle T4 if I decide I want a base camp or the wife comes with me. I'm a little strange and rather like being in the 4Runner when it's raining (I'm really the opposite of claustrophobic). I also like just sitting under the awning and watching it pour. My awning is really easy to setup and take down, but really only use it in the rain or snow. Happy Trails to you as well James

[@elderhiker7787]

Excellent video and I agree that sleeping in the 4Runner is the way to go. I’m sort of a low budget traveler, so I haven’t invested in the expensive roof rack and awning. But, I have figured out flexible methods to make my 4Runner work for me based on various scenarios. If I’m long distance traveling and overnighting in a Walmart/Cracker Barrel parking lot (with permission, of course), I just park and slide into the back, put up the nightshades, and sleep peacefully (most of the time). If I,m leisurely gunkholing thru various sites, I will set up a tarp attached to my roof rack to provide shade and cover from the rain. Finally, if I spending a few days at the same site, I will set up my Napier SUV tent that attaches directly to the back of the 4Runner with a sleeve that allows direct access to my sleeping area in the back of the vehicle. I will also set up the tarp on the side of the vehicle so I can sit outside to drink my coffee and enjoy the view. So, I think I have complete flexibility for any situation. It works for me.

[@justinjay9501]

nice setup, some inspiring things on here, thanks!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

You're welcome Justin.

[@jonjondelacruz5463]

make a lot of sense, cool video, thank you for sharing

[@rafalsciubisz5911]

Hey. Did your car come with a remote start or did you install it yourself? If so what is the setup?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

My 4Runner did not come with remote start. Installed a kit from 12 Volt Solutions here: www.12volt.solutions/products/2010-2018-toyota-4runner-plug-play-remote-start-kit-g-key

[@LowTGaming]

I sleep in my 4th gen when i’m working at a ski town , the pay is nice but if your paying rent for 6mo it eats away at what you earn

[@Sami-rp7mf]

When camping alone, do you get any bad folks steeling or bothering you? I don't carry yet but will soon and have not done any camping alone. BYW. TY for all of your responses on comments. I think I may just do what you did and start exploring.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I have never had any bad encounters with anyone while out camping, not even any strange encounters. That being said, there's always a first time and that is mostly why I carry when I camp. I'd say go for getting out there and start exploring and have a blast!

[@user-cl2es9iu1j]

All sounds good to me!

[@JeanDumfordPhD]

My decades if backpacking snd sleep tenting ate over! Im considering a 4runner to downsize from my Pleasureway RV. Wondering how low you bed platform is and if that’s a pull out? I want only about a 4” drawer to slide.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

The only thing that pulls out is the fridge slide. The platform is about 7 or 8 inches high, I'm thinking about redoing it again because I want more headroom.

[@arielg6995]

Hey great videos! Just wondering what product do you use for the netting on your back windows?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you Ariel. These are the screens I use: amzn.to/34IQkFi

[@nickgamble4544]

I'm at an hard choice. I really like the rtt but like you said having to set them up and ground tents having to set them up. I like that if I go with the inside I can use the roof for storrage. But on the same hand If I have a rtt I could have the entire inside of the car for storrage, but the inside camping is much cheaper and much less to replace if something does go bad.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

There's certainly no perfect solution, I still go back and forth on getting a camper, RTT or just use my ground tent.

[@VenturaIT]

best way for solo camping or even double, why hassle with the tent, you don't need a fridge and all kinds of crazy stuff, just a duffel bag for stuff and blankets and some pillows... you even get used to sleeping on no pad. stuff goes bad in the fridge anyway...

[@knowltonthomas]

dope video man thanks i love your 4runner

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you!

[@richardweaver812]

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet but have you thought about installing a drawer system and sleeping on top of that?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Already built my own: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGjbh6hud6mLpZI

[@johnconklin5180]

I used to camp out a lot as a kid. The army changed that for me though. Too many nights on the ground and no tent. Just started throwing the sleeping bag in the back of a truck. So let get this straight with the car doors locked and windows up all the way a bear (black is all we have in the east) could rip the door open?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I am aware that a bear could possibly get in, but I am always armed and prepared to defend myself.

[@kevinmoreira86]

Personally have always driven a small car Subaru wrx park and just hike up hours in logging roads or trails to finally find a spot. Have finally reached a stage in life where I can buy an off road vehicle and start looking into that lifestyle. Looking to get a 4runner 2021 trail edition. Do you find that you use the a-trax feature and locking differentials? I live in canada and our logging roads in northern Ontario arent terrible to get up into and I'm not gonna be risking driving through really tough trails anyways. Do you think I can get by with just 4x4 and good tires? Or should I look into the off road trim for the added value. Excellent setup sleeping in your car like that, the awning and platform bed combo looks like you're camping in style and comfort with very little setup. Is that a generator you use to power your fridge and if so, you mentioned leaving the fridge on all night does the generator noise not keep you up? Thanks for an awesome video

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hello Kevin, you will certainly be happy with the trail edition 4Runner. I barely use the A-Trak or my locking differential in the summer, but do rely on both in the winter when I'm going through snow. I power my fridge with a Jacker 500 or 1000. When the vehicle is running, the Jackery is being charged. This system works well for me. Because these are just power stations, they do not make noise at night.

[@Bill-show]

Hi there. Great video, thanks for posting. Can you please let me know what awning you are using? It really looks like it creates a big shady spot. Thanks. -Bill

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I am using the OVS 180. It's fantastic!

[@adioalexsk8]

Hi! At 5:50 in the video.. I see a good visual of your 180 awning set up with your rear hatch open. Is your rear hatch opened up all the way there before/or while touching the support bar of the awning? How is that? It looks fin, I'm wondering if it bothers you at all. I ask because I have a 270 and can't open up my rear hatch all the way when the awning is fully deployed. Thanks!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hello! The awning support does stop the hatch from opening completely, but not by much. It does not bother me. When mounting the awning, it should be mounted as high up as possible. Because of my Gobi rack, I can mount the awning higher than some other rack options. Hope this helps.

[@adioalexsk8]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler it sure does! Love it. Thanks so much!

[@1laimmiss]

Question. Lets say you would sleep in the south or somewhere where is extreme humid and hot. Can you run your car all night or does it cut off. Im looking for a 4Runner tk purchase because i have work to do and travel for 3 weeks at a time and was wondering if the car can run all night with AC on. The winter is ok because i can put more blankets and etc. Just wanted to hear your take on it. Do you have solar? How do you keep refrigerator working, is it plugged in to the inverter or to the car 12 volt cigarette lighter socket? The hotels hit crazy expensive so looking for alternatives. Any input is appreciated sir

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I probably wouldn't run a motor idling all night, not good for the motor (I don't know why). I don't know what would be a solution for dealing with heat as it does not get that hot where I camp. I do have bug screens and can keep all the windows down all night. Sorry I can't help with a solution. I keep the refrigerator running with a Jackery 500 or 1000.

[@1laimmiss]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler how do charge the jackery ? Do you have solar? Interesting take on the idling on night, I will have to look into why it's not good for motor to be idling. Thanks for your input!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@1laimmiss I do have solar that I use on multi-day trips, but for the most part I charge the Jackery at home before going out.

[@eyang7]

What's ur set up at the trunk and inside ur suv? I want to know what gears u got. What's ur set up for the top? I like it and I want to do that to mine. Also, what mattress is that? What if I want to travel with someone else? Thanks in advance.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Here is a link to the mattress: amzn.to/34LSFzq At this point, I couldn't have anyone else sleep inside with me. If the platform was all on one level, I could remove the fridge and then someone else could. I have a full walk around of my 4Runner here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5_ZlYh9oc2SeMk

[@jamesshields1969]

Hey sir, did you DIY your platform and drawers or did you buy it or have it commissioned

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hi James, I built it myself without any plans besides what was in my head.

[@charleshammack]

If you don’t mind me asking, how tall are you? I’m wanting to convert a 4Runner into a full time camper, but wasn’t sure if I would have enough space to sleep in the back. Thanks!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I'm 5'9"

[@jeffbrown1776]

Can you tell me the brand of your awning? Also, do you have a lift? And…. What size are tour tires? Thank you.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hello Jeff. That awning is the OVS (Overland Vehicle Systems) 180. I have a 3 inch lift with 285/70/17 tires.

[@jeffbrown1776]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler thank you.

[@kirkpaulkirkman9453]

Hey Noah, thanks for the video. When you bought your Weathertech window liners, were they made specifically for the 4Runners? I checked out the website and didn't see anything specific to the 4Runner. Thanks partner!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hi Kirk, Here is the link, I got the full vehicle kit: www.weathertech.com/toyota/2016/4runner/sunshade/

[@kirkpaulkirkman9453]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Thanks, I got them!

[@petshop7248]

About to join the 4runner gang with a 2017 TRD! Was wondering if you remember how much money you spent on your setup, (excluding purchase price of the vehicle.) Would be helpful to know, thanks!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

For everything besides the vehicle itself, I would guess a little over 10K. I don't know for sure because I don't want to know (ignorance is bliss they say).

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

May I ask which awning you have? It looks incredible.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

That's an OVS 180 (Overland Vehicle Systems)

[@Monkeyseemonkey79]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Thank you!

[@bohan9957]

Does that shovel scratch the paint with the way it's mounted? Looks like the tip is very close to the roof panel.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

It does not, the shovel does not move at all and is about an inch from the paint. I was concerned about it, but the mount it totally sturdy.

[@AZOverland2017]

Thanks for the video, good information!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

You're welcome, glad it was useful.

[@joewoodard2513]

I like your setup. I have something similar in a 2 door jeep.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Thank you Joe.

[@kenjepsen4579]

Awesome video. I do the same thing for the same reasons. I carry my kayak on the roof so a tent wouldn't work.. I need to build a drawer system yet. Love yours. I'm looking to do the back window switch mod next..

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Glad you liked the video Ken. I have been thinking about the switch mod for a long time, but have just not gotten around to it.

[@bluenetmarketing]

Where does one buy the switch kit mod?

[@stevescramo592]

Did you take out the second row seats or just the bottoms of the seats?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Yes, I took out the entire second row.

[@Treetopflyer777]

Is your remote start OEM? If not, which fo you have and do you recommend it? Thanks!!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Is is not OEM. I got mine from 12volt Solutions, I would recommend it for sure...easy to install and have never had an issue with it.

[@Treetopflyer777]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler awesome thank you!

[@Treetopflyer777]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler I hear lots of chatter about battery drain with aftermarket remote starters. Have you ever experienced this with the 12v starter? Or heard of it happening? Thx again in advance

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@Treetopflyer777 I did notice some parasitic draw, but has not caused a major issue for me. I never narrowed it down to the remote start.

[@Treetopflyer777]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler awesome thanks!

[@jeffreymcdonald8267]

Another option could be a single person hammock style shelter. Attach one side to the roof rack the other side to a tree. I may get one.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hammocks look good to me, but my back cannot take sleeping in them. I'm always a bit jealous watching people relaxing in a hammock.

[@aviatorman8]

Thanks for sharing. I’m getting ready for my first night in my 4Runner. I just have a sleeping bag. Not planning on a full bed platform for now, just the bare minimum to be able to sleep in the truck. Do you know if there are custom made plate to level the trunk flooring?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Hello. Goose Gear makes a platform for the 4Runner, but it's not cheap. Wouldn't be hard to make a simple small platform just for the lower part of the floor. Enjoy your first night, hope it works well for you.

[@aviatorman8]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler thanks. It requires removal of some parts off the truck for install. I’m looking for a simple pre made plate, just don’t want to do it myself.

[@taic3366]

Good Stuff soo many people are doing the car camping thing now and for so long i thought i needed an rv but now .......i am sooooo onboard! Trying to figure sleeping arrangment with husband 6'4" and me 5'10" and our toddler ....we are gonna look like a clown car in our sie na minivan but Im determined to go (non tent) camping this year on a budget! Subscribed thx for the great video!

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Your "clown car' comment actually made me laugh out loud. Glad you're going to give it a go, will be worth it! Thanks for subscribing.

[@fredhillhousejr943]

I am looking at options and the one piece that no one shows is getting in/out of their vehicle. I assume everyone crawls out the side doors. Another item is window control. Windows can only be operated while the key is in an ON position.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I do crawl in through the side, guess I could have shown that. I have remote start, so I can control the windows if I start it.

[@oros9112]

Hello, nice set up! Do you have a factory toyota remote start? Thanks

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I do not have the factory remote start, I have a plug and play system from 12volt Solutions. With the factory one, the vehicle turns off when you open a door, mine does not.

[@oros9112]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler thank you!

[@pakfrd7887]

4runner or Tacoma DCSB with a topper for a dude who likes camping, fly fishing, and rolls with a large dog? I want to downsize from my tundra and I can't decide on how to go. I like trucks because I can keep wet/fishy/trash big/etc in the bed. However, I can resolve a lot of those issues with bags and stuff but it will ultimately trash the inside of an suv in the long term. However, I can sleep in the 4runner. It's a tough choice. I love the tundra but it is so damn big and even though you're "king of the road" it doesn't give me any confidence in tight trails and city streets and garages.

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I still, to this day, think about getting a truck with a topper, but I just like being able to remote start to get heat in the winter as well as the security of having most of my stuff inside. You could do a Trasharoo or some sort of trash bag on the outside for the fishy stuff.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

I like your setup! I have the same color 4R.

[@ethanwanless3346]

How cold can it be for the fridge to heat the inside of 4runner?

[@rkaag99]

I've got a smaller suv... tucson... any tip for a 2 person setup?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

Do you think you could fit an inflatable mattress in the back? If I didn't have the fridge in the back and made the platform all flat, my wife and I could be pretty comfortable.

[@danielstover3029]

Noah, did you produce a detailed video of your platform build? Did you do a rear seat delete? It would be nice to see all of the details. I know this video is a couple of years old now. I did the full rear seat delete in my 2019 4R TRD O.R. and have a 72" cargo bed platform. There is also 84" of space when the front seats are moved forward. Long time subscriber. Thanks for sharing! 😁👍

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

I see you found the build video. Thanks for being a long time subscriber Daniel.

[@danielstover3029]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Noah, sorry I missed it earlier. When I found it I immediately remembered it and saw that I had already given it a thumbs up. Maybe something to do with old age and memory. All is well... Thanks! 😁👍

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@danielstover3029 Believe me, I understand old age/memory issues 😃

[@danielstover3029]

@@TheGrumpyGobbler Noah, what is your email address?

[@TheGrumpyGobbler]

@@danielstover3029 There's an arrow on the Community page of my channel, click the arrow and then view email. I don't want to display it in a comment. You can also send me a message on Instagram.