Why I STOPPED Hunting with a 308 Rifle!

Welcome to Cliffed Out Adventures! I've been hunting with a 308 caliber rifle for the last decade and was a die hard fan. The last 5-years I've spent hunting the Antelope / Deer / Elk in Montana and harvested 12 Elk. HOWEVER, this last season was the last season for my 308 rifle. Watch to find out why and comment with your thoughts on the 308...

[@reloadnorth7722]

Hello. I'm 60, been hunting since I was 8, 40+ years ago I bought a 308 and never looked back. I only hunt moose and have harvested from 600lb cows to 1400lb bulls. Never more than 2 shots. I reload and never go heavier than 168gr bullets. 228 yards was my longest shot so far. I use my hunting skills to quietly work my way in towards the moose to make a clean ethical kill. If I want to do longer range shooting, I have a 300WM waiting patiently. Stay safe and happy hunting.

[@joshuadaniels6024]

That is awesome! I'm glad it has worked so well for you. Thanks for your input.

[@Mrkeats5487]

Not to sure why your having doubts about the 308 have taken deer,bear,elk,hogs . Coyotes, it all depends on your grain selection And your shot placement. You’re not shooting past 500 yards.

[@user-cl7jw7td5q]

Something Is not adding up about what these two guys are saying….

[@peterking1038]

I agree, nothing is adding up with these two guys. I have hunted with .308 since I was 12, never had a problem. I knew there were full of horse dung when the skinny one said they hiked 70 miles to get to a hunting spot on public land. On top of that he kept saying shoulder shots were not working. I don’t know what his ability to shoot is but shoulder and double lung shot have always worked for me with .308 165 gr soft point bullets. These 2 are really trying to sell some bullshit.

[@efrey614]

100% 168 grain at 2000fps doesn't go skin deep. Possible he bounced the round off the ground into the animal at 300fps. Much more penetration with a .308 at 1000 yards its still very deadly. A 9mm will penetrate much much more at 400 yards and possibly kill the animal .

[@ctb3343]

Facts lol These guys are nuts to not be able to get through an elk shoulder within 200yards. Talk about a bad shot and nothing else.

[@jamiehurtt3530]

​@peterking1038 exactly ...Read my earlier post

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

Can I say bullet selection is the most important consideration? The 308 is fine with proper bullet selection.

[@CliffedOutAdventures]

Bullet choice is very important. Thanks for your thoughts!

[@charlesking8542]

The bullet does not know if it was launched by a 308 or 300WM.Bullet design and shot placement rule.

[@ericsmith5919]

So in summary, what I'm hearing is "I like getting bad hits at long ranges on big animals, and .308 doesn't hit hard enough to make up for what a shitty hunter I am." No offense, but if it took until your *third* shoulder hit at 400 yards with 0 effect before you realized something was badly wrong, the problem is you.

[@CliffedOutAdventures]

Thanks for your thoughts.

[@josecasillas6383]

AGREED!

[@priestesslucy3299]

Yeah 400 yards is seriously pushing the 308 or the 30.06 for that matter. I'm sure really skilled marksmen can do it, but I really don't want to shoot an animal outside 200 yards personally

[@ericsmith5919]

@priestesslucy3299 The vital zone on an elk is pretty big, so a 400 yard shot isn't unreasonable if you've got something like a tripod. But if I was gonna do that, I'd consider a .300 Win Mag with a 200gr bonded or 180gr copper bullet the absolute minimum in terms of power and penetration capability.

[@trumpsagenius6914]

So you had a bull elk hang around for three shots to the shoulder?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@brodychapman8348]

Fuddest video of the day award goes to you guys.. If you believe that a 308 bullet at supersonic speed just stops in a matter of an inch or 2 and leaves the level of damage shown in your picture, you're a different kind of special.

[@fredeb67]

At less than 300 yards to boot.

[@kybowhunter1974]

Lmao it’s not fudd look at their age group. Closer to a millennial, genx, etc your age group. These guys are fools that are using a light construction high bc bullet your now the new fad. A fudd would be using a partition or bone breaking construction type bullet.

[@nekminet1315]

Sounds like a fairy tail to me. I’m just a little confused on what advantage you guys see by spreading lies about a perfectly adequate cartridge?

[@joshuadaniels6024]

Thanks for your thoughts. We are just sharing our experience with this cartridge.

[@NorthRiverGuide]

@nekminet1315 you saw that too where the bullet was placed on the inside of the elbow where there is no bone to hit, where such a shot with that tough bullet at 308 speeds at 400yds would most likely pass right through with little expansion? These guys are liars.

[@efrey614]

Either it's a lie or he's bouncing the rounds off the ground into the animal. Skin won't stop a 9mm at 200 or 400 yards.

[@davidwalsh8612]

Are they trying to convince the wife that a new rifle is justigied?

[@matthewangotti7205]

My buddy shot a 550 lb Cow Moose with a 308 and 180 grain bullets. It went about 35 yards and keeled. Granted, that was within 100 yards but still. I can't believe you would even question it on muleys. Any regular sized deer, 300lbs or less, no problem out to 300 yards, anyway.

[@albertaoutdoors9220]

My dad is a 308 man 1970s rem 700 and running low on 180 original Winchester silver tips. Basically a power point with an aluminum? Nose tip Many many moose taken with that combo. From 45 yards out to 450 yards. Most taken 100-200 yards though. 308 is plenty when you do your job. Personally I’ve taken 2 moose , 4 deer and 1 black bear and 2 wolves. I like the 165 weight class and switched from sierra game kings to nosler partitions a few years ago. 308 is easily 300 yards and in moose/elk And a 500 yards deer and black Bear round So practical and lots of accurate ammo and rifles out there

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Straight up fairytale is what that is. Either a complete misinterpretation of the evidence that was presented, or a complete lie, not much else going on there. I use much smaller and softer constructed bullets than that tough bullet at a wider range of velocities and i see this story as completely full of it.

[@efrey614]

Yes it's a lie or he bounced the rounds off the ground into the animal. If accurate a 9mm will penetrate just fine at 400 yards. A .308 wouldn't go sk8n deep at 1000 yards either. He said it also did the skin deep at 200 yards lol.

[@charleschestang8937]

At 400 yds, with the rounds I use it's close 1,500 ft lbs, a shoulder isn't stopping that. I don't know that guy was using a reduced recoil round or what but with the right load and bullet people are taking elk further than 400yds with a 308 win. without any problem.

[@efrey614]

💯 he had to have bounced the round off the ground into the animal. 2000 fps isn't stopped by skin! That's common sense. A 9mm will penetrate at 400 yards, and he said it happened also at 200 yards. Something not right here. At 1000 yards it will penetrate more.

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

With those 3 elk that the 308 didn’t work with, a 30-06 wouldn’t have made any difference. Everyone says 30-06 can do it all, well a 308 shoots the same bullet at only like 50fps slower.

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

That picture is not a boat tail, either a flat base or looking at the tip of a bullet that went completely through resting between hide and shoulder? You don’t know what bullet you used?

[@stewarthoy7357]

This is not a 308 problem! This is a distance/shot placement issue! I feel for big game, use a good bonded bullet (I prefer accubond) and limit yourself to 300 yards.

[@davidhixson1735]

My dad was a diehard 308 guy in Pennsylvania and so was I. The average deer kill there is under 100 yards hunting whitetail and black bear, so even a 30 / 30 was very popular in my family. Coming west I felt the urge to get a bigger gun and purchased a 30-06. A very good caliper but just too much kick for me. A friend let me use his 270 and I fell in love. Now I understand why it is called the "Gun of the West". The 270 Win. is my all around gun. And it too has lots of ammo available. Nice video guys.

[@CliffedOutAdventures]

Yeah, Josh started with 30-06 like I started with the 308. Now he's a big fan of 270 and switches between that and his 300WM.

[@DV-ol7vt]

I don’t feel like a 270 has less recoil than a 30-06.

[@geraldclemens1682]

All because the 308 isnt the BS hyped up new fangled 6.5 sneezemore. 308 been around very long time. Works just fine. Will continue to work just fine.

[@johnpoole8321]

Right, use 300 win mag. for crazy long shots. Up to 300 yds is fine for 308 and it's part reason the standard barrel for 308 is usually about 20". Because they don't expect you to go to crazy distance. Why not just hunt right and get closer to the animal.

[@garyarmbuster9016]

I think these 2 birds don't know how to shoot. I use the 308 in Montana. Arizona Canada never had a problem.

[@hunterjohnson5635]

The .270 is severely underrated. It penetrates better than the 06, is flatter and has less recoil. The GOAT.

[@rustynutzgarage5496]

Agreed!

[@dawwlo]

For a deer sized game 🙂

[@hunterjohnson5635]

Nah, it’s better in general

[@trumpsagenius6914]

I like 270 win 257 and 300 weatherby

[@couespursuit7350]

What weight bullet would not penetrate an elk shoulder at 400 yards?

[@CliffedOutAdventures]

I believe Michel was using the 178 gn terminal ascent bullet. We are still learning how all this stuff works but we're very surprised by the results.

[@couespursuit7350]

Thanks, that was the last of three wondering what weight bullet in the first failure to penetrate experience? @@CliffedOutAdventures

[@jacobpetersen5662]

Can u double check that. The pic doesn't look like a TA. Thanks man. @@CliffedOutAdventures

[@trumpsagenius6914]

A 125gr would penetrate more than that😂

[@shafffisher]

Heaps of my fellow countryman here in New Zealand have shot large red stags out to 550 yards with the 308. Bullets dont just stop on a shoulder. Use adequate bullets within their expansion velocities and elk are in trouble.

[@headcarter4656]

Fellas I have been killing whitetails with the 308win for years and love it. And I have been hating on the 6.5 creedmoor. But I can tell you that as far as my experience goes with the two of them, the 6.5 creedmoor hits just as hard out to 3to4oo yards as the 308win regardless of what the numbers are. And when you go further the 6.5 all day. And believe me I have been hating on the 6.5 creed,but it's made a believer out of me this year.

[@jasonsparkman4830]

You guys don't make sense. A 178 or 180 grain moving at 2600 is not 2300lbs of energy. Second. If you are having issues with bullet expansion, you are picking the wrong bullets for the wrong caliber for the wrong job. 308 thrives on cup and core, bonded and partition style bullets. Third, if you use the 1500 lbs of energy for elk sized game, 3006 and 308 are good out to 300. On deer out to much further. Stating facts, it is what it is.

[@user-ds9eq8zx2n]

250fps more velocity in a magnum makes the difference between a bullet stopping on fur vs effectively putting down elk?

[@cervus-venator]

I went in the opposite direction than you. I went from a 270 long action to a short action 308. Different game animals and shorter distances makes this an ideal cartridge for the deer and pigs I hunt in the South East. I certainly don't blame you for increasing to a magnum for bigger game animals and the distances you have.

[@austinanderson8485]

Interesting I started with a 243 for about 5 years then got my own rifle in 270 so that I could have the chance for bigger animals like elk and I haven’t looked back my go to rifle for anything I did but a 308 this year for the gf as that is what she has shot before and was comfortable with

[@cervus-venator]

@@austinanderson8485 Cool Austin - I started with a 6mm Remingtion and shot many a deer with it for about 10 years (79-89) and then had my 270 built by a local gunsmith. I used it exclusively for about 20 years (90 -2010) and then picked up the 308. A Ruger American Predator because it was an 18 inch threaded barrel and I wanted something I could put my suppressor on. I love hunting with a suppressed cartridge. They are still super sonic, but man it is so much quieter.

[@austinanderson8485]

@@cervus-venator I agree just got my supressor last year and already don’t wanna shoot without it lol

[@cervus-venator]

@@austinanderson8485 Very cool Austin. I just uploaded a video where I had to re-zero a rifle because I didn't have the suppressor and need to use this gun to hunt with. I prefer using the suppressor on every hunt that I can.

[@Derekj-gv2cp]

6.8 western is the do all caliber.

[@joshuadaniels6024]

I think your right. Its sounds fantastic! Have you been able to harvest animals with it yet?

[@Randy_Savage_ohyeah]

limited and $$ ammo

[@Celticobrien]

Thanks for sharing your experience. I find it interesting that the box of 308 terminal accent says its effective out to 1000 yards and the 270 TA says effective out to 850 yards. My son shot his first bull with 270 TA at 150 yards. High shoulder, through and through. I thought it preformed well.

[@joshuadaniels6024]

We still absolutely love that terminal accent bullet! It's preformed so well. But at 400 yards it just didn't have the gas to go through the elks shoulder on that one hit.

[@texpatriot8462]

What a mess of a discussion. If he started seeing problems with the 308, what took him so long to change?

[@DV-ol7vt]

@@texpatriot8462 he was probably trying different bullets

[@shafffisher]

What was your muzzle velocity?​@@joshuadaniels6024

[@wyfromewa5618]

Have listened twice for your post and if you’ve lost faith in a rifle enjoy your next rifle. 308 is a solid starter rifle or for those backing down from the magnums. If you want it to kill everything, you need to be a great hunter to get within 300 yards depending upon loads. I have transitioned to lighter monolithic bullets for my 308 and reload for speed. Go to the Outfitter CX bullets, Barnes or you home grown monolithic Hammer bullets. If you’re looking at factory loads they’re loaded down to work in the AR-10 platform hence the slow speeds. Right bullet with right velocity for elk. Due to the 6.5 craze I have seen the same with bullets only a few inches under the skin. Enjoy the 308 for antelope to start the year. I would have went with the 300 WSM for your maneuvering you enjoyed with the 308. Enjoy the 308 for your antelope gun and 300 WM for elk and deer in MT since the seasons are the same.

[@hawknives]

A lot of guys shoot Elk with 6.5x55 Swede, successfully..

[@gsnicholas8522]

It’s a fantastic round, and it’s probably taken more moose than every other cartridge combined.

[@TopoftheHill7484]

I dropped 2 whitetail this month with my 308, 1st a heart and double lung at 130 yards, ran 30 yards, the second was a base of the neck shot at 150 yards, lights out right there. I was using my PSA 18" AR10 with 150 grain Winchester XP, I think it will be my new hunting rifle and ammo.

[@hawknives]

My Remington 700 -308 shoots 190 and 220 grain bullets accurately. Maybe try that on Elk. 4-500 yard range. Slow moving heavy projectiles penetrate. Christ bless!

[@Guide504]

Here in the uk 308 win was my first hunting centrefire. I have had 26 of them so far...i have taken over 2k deer asside from any other game over 38 year's...I no longer own one. I hand load and have from the start, over all the years have discovered that rotational velocity kills, and you get this with high sd bullets for calibre which also aids with wind and longer range consistency.

[@bigrich7026]

I was on some crazy steep stuff this year my magnum lenght barrel was a pain in the ass. Was thinking 7mm-08 pistol.

[@NateAllen-kt1xr]

Bet the locals love you two

[@wallacerose7499]

Would you recommend any caliber between 308 & 300 WM 7 PRC ? 7MM Mag ?

[@suzgabverdugo933]

7mm rm

[@Cats.Hammers.]

Half pound! It's like dropping a wheel barrow full of wet cement off your back. Phew! And that half an inch in action length!

[@joesutherland225]

Im a bc canada guy and yes a 308 is a tad light it will do the job but shot placement is much more critical . If you can find someone who has a 35 Whelen try their gun bet you love it hard to find ive had mine 35yrs+ i reload but brass even is tough sometimes

[@gsnicholas8522]

Brass is easy. Get some 30-06 brass and an expander mandrel. That’s all you need to make brass for the Whelen.

[@nolemons]

Great info.I am in B.C. Canadistan looking into my first hunting rig for white tale and moose primarily. Leaning towards the 300 mag for sure. Tikka 3x lite or the new version of the Ruger American. Budget friendly. Solid shooters.

[@gregpace4676]

Spend the extra money for Tikka, I own both. I would get a .300 PRC rather than the .300 WM (I own both) If you do go for a .300 WM, you really need to get into reloading to get accuracy. .300 PRC is good with factory ammo (wich will be more expensive and harder to find)

[@maxtibbetts2102]

canadistan fr LOL

[@shafffisher]

This is actually terrible info. The 308 is a proven 450 yard elk rifle with the correct bullet. Ain't no way a bonded bullet going 2000fps would just stop penetrating an elk

[@eddiekane1202]

You can take anything with a 150gr Remington CoreLokt if you know what you’re doing

[@MelvinHunt-iu8tv]

I owned a 308 You need to check your shot placement or ammunition or Learn to shoot at a lesser distance

[@duanehopland7506]

308 always been my favorite round .Taken antelpe , big desert mulies, big bull elk but I have hunted Africas gemsbok twice and it knocks them down ,but they get up and run off. I limit it to everything but not the caliber for brown bear and african animals

[@russellkeeling4387]

Late in my hunting life I got a .308. It is accurate as can be and a wonderful cartridge but I already own rifles that fill every type of hunting I want to do. The .308 didn't do anything rifles I already own do, it's not in the safe any more.

[@kassilewis5511]

Why i STILL hunt with a 308....Because it works! Ive shot coyote, bobcat, and whitetails from 20-450 yards. Last 5 deer ive shot with my handloads have werent able to even take a step away. Same rifle shoots 1/2(sometimes better) moa out to 700 yards with target loads during the off season. Thats why.

[@Randy_Savage_ohyeah]

Interesting video to say the least..... I will never bash the great .308 but for a one-gun western hunting cartridge you picked incorrectly from the get-go. You would have been much better off with something like a 7mm Rem Mag or 30.06. To ethically hunt Elk you should have a minimum of 1500ft lbs of energy at point of impact and at 400yrd the .308 with most ammo does not have it. A Barnes TSX/TTSX would have been your best bullet option for Elk at 300+ yards. Then you go the opposite direction with a .300 Mag....great Elk cartridge but overkill for most Deer and especially Pronghorn.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

308 n 3006 been getting it done longer then you been breathing. W powder advancements and projectile. Sitting on top And will continue to . 308 isn't at its best in wide open . There is better tools for Long range applications. 308is at home in the timber 200yards n in 308 is hard to beat.

[@johnpoole8321]

Bingo! Hence the reason for shorter action and barrel at 20" usually.

[@fredeb67]

Something was wrong with your ammo or you were in an alternate dimension.

[@michaeldavis4338]

It’s never the gun, it’s always the guy. Sometimes the bullet, but always the guy.

[@milo555100]

By “today” standards 3-400yds is a shortish shot…..only it isn’t on live game in field conditions. Not at all. 7mm-Mag is a great out west caliber. Due to the longish shots out west, I agree, .308 can be a bit anemic. Thank you for the info and for making the vid.

[@russellkeeling4387]

I live out west as you say and have never needed to take a 400 yard shot. If I can't get closer I'm not much of a hunter.

[@milo555100]

@@russellkeeling4387 im a southeast US (FL/GA) hunter and beyond 100yds is very rare. Good to know. In Wyoming my daughter had a 437yd shot on a Mule Deer. It was as close as we could get on the last day of our hunt. She made a perfect shot w a 10mph RtoL wind. I couldn’t be more proud. It was a .308. Id love to live out there during hunting season. Maybe one day! Thank you Mr Keeling. Im not an advocate of long shots. The guide knew her ability and gave the green light. Glad he did.

[@jonathanmitchell3733]

Stick to hunting under 400meters, even better under 300meters. The .308 with a 150gr bullet is your best bet at those distances. Also don't use a shorter than 22inch barrel, because you need the speed at over 300meters. 308 150gr bonded bullet drops Kudu very reliably even at 300meters in my experience. Even dropped an Eland, but that was at 20 meters, so that does not count.

[@Strutingeagle]

Does the guy on the left really have to exagerate everything he says?

[@joshuadaniels6024]

Thanks for the feedback! This is first video and love getting comments like this.

[@user-cl7jw7td5q]

I have that same bad habit

[@1RobHunter1]

A 308 Win - 2600fps 300yds limit, 30-06 2800fps 400yds limit, and 300 WSM 3000fps 500yds limit. You loose 200fps every 100yds when it is shot. That gives you the impact to bullet expansion velocity limit in a 30 Cal Copper or bonded bullet. You still have to hit them in the vitals to kill an animal / elk.

[@louiskiser9989]

Have a 300wsm with 180 Schrocco,s 26 inch tube

[@acheson10]

Is this a troll?

[@tikkamarksman]

If you shoot at long range it's very hard to see if if it's branches and stuff in the way... A bullet that's tumbeling is going to act that way ,it's not penetrating.. This theory apply to what you saying... a first shoot, than spreying lead.. It's easy to hit something in the way and mismatch what bullet ho did what ?

[@louiskiser9989]

I would say 300WSM with Acubond would do a good job

[@KeepingitAnalog]

300 Weatherby Mag

[@efrey614]

Bouncing the rounds off the ground. No way it wont go past the skin at 2 3 4 hundred yards. Sorry not real. 2000 fps 168 grain at 400 yards doesnt penetrate like a sling shot! This is common sense!!

[@dennislopez7411]

I call BS. I’ve shot elk at 400 through both shoulders with a 308. The terminal Ascent works just fine. The shot must have been over a 1000 yds to stop at a quarter inch.

[@davejphysutube]

This is nonsense

[@dominicteresi3835]

I've had my 08 for a couple of years now and I've see it as basically the same as my 270.

[@brianlee6849]

350/400 yards is to far for 308. I used to live in Alaska and I had two friends that haunted moose with the 308 their load was a nosler partition 165 at 2800 ft per second. They would consistently take moose with one shot but they both limited themselves to about 200 yards max. The 308 is great but not for long range. Honestly I think hunters should stalk their prey and get closer. I know remember back in the '80s and '90s everybody's story was about how close they could get. Today it's like everybody's story is about how far away they can shoot an animal. I think we've really lost something in ethical hunting . Thank you

[@NorthRiverGuide]

350-400 yards is too far for 308? Maybe with a flat point or round nose bullet, st which point it can still kill. With a more sleek design, 400yds isn't a far shot at all.

[@brianlee6849]

@@NorthRiverGuide What happened to hunters? Real hunting involves stalking your prey and making a clean ethical kill. I lived in Alaska for 7 years in wide open tundra and never shot past 200 yards with 30-06 and 300 Weatherby Magnum. This was back in the '90s I don't remember anybody trying to make long shots. People always bragged about how close they could get. Not how far.

[@jeffdunn6228]

Try switching to copper solids way better penetration

[@Jameskenomis3]

Was this channel stopped?

[@shafffisher]

It should be

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Using the wrong bullets. Barnesttsx won't stop like that

[@muddog2159]

Use a 30-06 Springfield or a 270 win

[@nathanbailey9153]

So basically, you tried to shoot nearly 100 yards past your skills and capability, and you are disappointed with the results? Wow ... just, wow. Remember, shot placement is king - not caliber. Caliber is important, in the sense that it is sufficient, but shot placement is much more important. A lesson you apparently haven't learned. Only a truly poor hunter is that bad with their equipment, that lacking in understanding of the equipment's capabilities and their own capabilities. Really, you probably aren't safe at any distance with any cartridge, considering this story. It seems you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how hunting and firearms work. Seriously, either get educated or put down the hunting rifles and stick to paper, instead of making hunters in general look bad. Usually I like to say "Hunting is for everyone", but sometimes it isn't. Also, "... about 350-400 yards ...?" What was it? 350 yards or 400 yards - it's a fairly big difference for .308 - For a 165 grain bullet (.447 G1) leaving the barrel at 2800 fps (decent .308 speeds) the drop at 350 yards is 20 inches and the drop at 400 is 30 inches - that is a 10 inch difference - enough for a complete miss. Which it sounds like you have had. Multiple times. Considering this video, and your other video (Almost Freezing to Death on a Hunting Trip), I think you need to accept that you are a danger to yourself and others out there, and if you can't learn to do things safely and correctly after all this time, maybe you should take up other hobbies.

[@klaytonwarner662]

Elk Minimal energy is around 1500 ftlbs. That being said a safe margin is closer to 17-1800 ftlbs. The 308 with 178gr runs down to around 1600 ftilbs at 300 yards. 300 yards would be absolute furthest shot you should take with 308 and that's not even ideal. if you stay above 2000 ftlbs on elk with 30 cal you should be fine.

[@mordyfisher4269]

I use to be on this train too but there is way more to the story then ftlbs of energy. You need to know what your bullets are doing at various velocities. For example my old 303 loaded with round nose partitions will get 50 percent expantion at 500 yards. The same weight bullet in Winchester soft point gets zero expantion at the same distance and just zings right through

[@jeffdunn6228]

Explain elk killed with arrows show me an arrow making 1500 ft lb of energy

[@hellowaldoo]

Wait what????? 1/4" at 200 yards? Was your bullet tumbling? Did you shoot a hybrid cow? Sounds like bullet choice.?.?.?... 200 heck even 400 fps more would not penetrate to the vitals in that spot you hit with the same projectile. 1/4" really? Something isnt adding up. If it wasnt bullet than it was definitely horrible shot placement and if you need an elephant gun just bc you are willing to take that horrible shot says something. Its a live animal, not a target. Even if its for meat and not sport, respect the life of the animal and make good shots

[@kraigteeling7420]

These guys should not be hunting.

[@aaronsgross]

sounds like a bullet issue and not the caliber. ELD Match all day long.

[@kingy300wby]

I’ve always said a 308 is an ok round, until you have to go hunting!! Seen plenty of people use them over the years, never seen anything impressive with 308.

[@trumpsagenius6914]

308 will kill at 500 yd lmao

[@dakotalucky13]

So it didn’t go bang flop but still died and it’s not enough gun… 1500 foot pounds is the standard for an elk, not 2000. Also where are you getting this info the ELD-X is the go to bullet?

[@davejphysutube]

This is incorrect information

[@philliprunge4373]

Thanks for the content but that incident could happen with any caliber. It's kinda like a dud

[@davidmcclellan9495]

Shoot mine 800 yards at the distance it has much power as 9mm navy seals stll us m14

[@wiscofan53821]

skill issue

[@hyregeg9730]

308 on elk 200 yards at most unless you don't give a shit it's a sisy spyril you guys have get 325wsm or 300wsm

[@NorthRiverGuide]

308 is capable at distances significantly further than a mere 200yds. The trick is to aim for the vitals 😉

[@shocker12270]

With all due respect people need to start hunting and stop shooting 400 yards out at most animals of that size this type of hunting in my opinion is unethical . Now you are complaining

[@NorthRiverGuide]

The issue isn't with folks shooting past 400yds, the issue lies with the folks trying shots on game beyond their abilities. Some folks can consistently and humanely dispatch animals past 800yds. Some shouldn't even be attempting shots at 30yds.

[@bayfilly1]

This is the silliest video I've seen in decades,,,,maybe ever. The raw physics alone always rules. If you use a 150g 30 caliber bullet, it doesn't matter if it comes out of a .308 rifle or a .30-06 Springfield or a 7.62x39 or a 30-30 Winchester,,,,,take your pick. Send them all downrange at 'x' velocity and the terminal results will be IDENTICAL !!!!! Force = mass x acceleration.....F=MA. Probably chapter 1 in any high school physics book.

[@garrytalley8009]

No rifle is a do it all. You need the right tool for the job. Out west the 270 Win might still be the king for versatility, ammo availability and long-range shooting within ethical hunting distances. But it's no do all either. Compact short, barreled rifles are BS. With a muzzle brake heavier hitters aren't that bad. What do you young guys know about guns? Not much.

[@BusterCheeks1776]

But did He/She DIE tho hahaha Ain't never took a shoulder off one that ain't dead bubba Like a boxer complaining about a TKO and not a KO hahaha I get it tho, feels like a gamble God bless

[@efrey614]

Nope. This has to have bounced into the shoulder. If these guys are telling the truth ,or at least think they are, then either it was a way underloaded round as a 9mm will kill at 400 yards no problem. Most likely he is shooting short ,and bouncing the rounds off the ground into the animal. This less than an inch penetration on a shoulder wouldn't happen even at 1000 yards with a .308. Near 2000 fps at 400 yards doesn't penetrate like a sling shot.its still far more power than a big handgun at its muzzle so it wount bounce off the animal. Either they are mistaken, or lying. Usually penetration at range is fine because what goes first with velocity loss is mushrooming of the bullet so it actually penetrates easier. 168 grain moving at 2000 ft per second will obviously penetrate more than skin deep. That was a hit at 300 fps or so. I bet it bounced off the ground first, because under loaded round wouldn't even be close to on target at 400 yards.

[@DavidDeshane-ic4cg]

I've had it happen but the bullet had hit a tree first. These guys are full of bs.

[@darrellblanchard2362]

That would not happen with an x bullet.

[@JimmyAbshire]

You must be shooting through trees.

[@marksummerlin976]

308 does everything okay but doesn't do anything really well.

[@josecasillas6383]

U dont know what youre talking about. Much less doing. Youre probably better off being a fisherman. .308 master... yea right

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

Did the recoil hurt your beta shoulders? The dude on the left has the physique of a vegan

[@horse.395]

I'll take a guess ....."because you stupid"?...😊😅

[@raynance5328]

Ugh…sounds too much like “The View.” 3-mins was all I could stand.

[@trumpsagenius6914]

400 yds its prob got 1500 lbs of energy stop telling stories

[@CDinNC]

BS !

[@bucksgaragepodcast]

Hey guys! Glad to see fresh content and channels like us. We're a firearms related podcast that started a couple months ago and are putting out weekly content. Let us know if youd be interested in collaberation in the future. Also, i really enjoy 308 haha

[@trumpsagenius6914]

Lol most ethical hunters only take broadside shots

[@user-fz6hc1ky7r]

308 simply get closer, use barnes, lung sot, a 300 does not go through shoulder bone----simply get closer. wyoming guy

[@CliffedOutAdventures]

That is solid advice about the 308. We were able to get into closer range for many of our Elk. Unfortunately there isn't a practical way to get closer in some circumstances and it results in missed opportunities. Barnes are great and have deep penetration. Typical mono-metal like Barnes bullets just require a faster velocity to expand well compared to a hybrid like the Terminal Accent. Again it just means you have to take closer shots.

[@joshuadaniels6024]

Thanks for your thoughts! Those Barnes bullets are fantastic!

[@Lure-Benson]

@@CliffedOutAdventures That is absolute total bull shit that Barns bullets must be driven to extreme speeds to expand, and it is just liars Parrot mouth talk. Barns has video crushing that lie anyone can watch where barns shoot a 30 cal 180 grain bullet into blocks of gel at 800 FPS and recovered the bullet expanded. I also load the barns TSX 165 grain 30 cal bullets into 7.62x39 loads to be fired from a AR 15 with 16 inch barrel at Black tail deer and the bullets recovered from the deer are expanded so that bullet coming from a 7.62x39 with 16 inch barrel with only 25 grains of CFE Black powder and you want to talk parrot mouth BS that Barns bullets must be pushed to extreme speeds to expand tells me you are stupid and extreme ignorant about guns - ammo - bullets like so many dumb asses making videos.

[@TonyPac-ub3dd]

You can't shoot straight. Not the gun it's what between the ears. 😮

[@DavidDeshane-ic4cg]

Amatures.

[@EliazarLopez-ww7ww]

This guys are drunk.

[@georgerucker9263]

I think the better question is why did you START hunting with a child or girl rifle

[@curtiscrystalnelson7034]

Stop using shitty ELDX and ELDM and Berger bullets on game. Use a Nosler or a Barnes. No way a bonded bullet out of a damn 308 doesn't penetrate a shoulder on an elk. Ask Randy Newberg what he's killed dozens and dozens of elk with

[@edwardabrams4972]

My father killed a trucks of elk over 20 years when the 308 first came out in the pre64 featherweight! Shot placement and bullet selection are so important on elk and that’s why he used Nosler Partitions for best results. For deer it’s fantastic but there is better elk choices out there, even Randy Newberg admitted the magnums are a better choice!

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Randy Newberg clearly admits he is not a ballistics expert, and he doesn't use eld match bullets so he doesn't have the experience with them so I have my doubts he would even talk about them.

[@LoggyBayou]

ELD are trash. Even a 180g Core Lokt, Fusion, Interlock (lead tip), PowerPoint, etc. will hammer elk to 400 yards, through the shoulder, every time.

[@curtiscrystalnelson7034]

@@NorthRiverGuide but Randy Newberg is smart enough not to use them because he knows that bullets like Nosler and Barnes work. Eldx Bullets are the dumbest idea anybody ever had to shoot an elk with. They are frangible large varmint bullets at the very best. They are not made to penetrate they're made to fragment on impact, and are responsible along with Berger bullets and a Max's for more wounded animals every year than most other bullets combined. If you're shooting elk with eldx bullets, you don't know shit about ballistics and you're taking a chance every time you shoot a large animal with one

[@curtiscrystalnelson7034]

And match bullets are for shooting paper, not animals