Why I Stopped Using The Valve Index

[@void-citizen]

Updated beyond review yes

[@Joric78]

I've only owned the Quest 2 and 3, but the improvements on the Quest 3 with the pancake lenses and higher resolution dual displays, as well as the content library and PCVR capabilities, meant there really wasn't any competition. The colour passthrough, standalone performance and wifi speed was just a bonus. Only negative I found was the smaller binocular overlap, which did drive me bananas for the first couple of weeks, but now I don't notice it. Mind you I never used the stock strap. I didn't find the strap that bad when I first got the Quest 2, so it took me a while to replace it. Grabbing the BoboVR Halo strap made it so much quicker, easier and more comfortable to get in/out of the Quest 2 that I never used the strap on the Quest 3 at all, just replaced it out of the box.

[@grantzeebs]

I maintain the opinion behind Reason 3, is that Valve got into trouble with their return policy prior to 2016 (there was none, that was their return policy then) and that didn't go well with Australian government. so when they got the billion dollar fine and changed their policy in 2016, they looked at potential places to distribute hardware and decided Australia's ACCC would probably find another problem with their warranty or processes and went "lets not do that again"

[@Naysy]

Whats your favourite headset?

[@SpeedPlays666]

PS VR2

[@La_False]

Quest two, it feels mobile

[@gusar3213]

I'm still rocking the Quest 1, but am very close to ordering the 3. As an overall package, it's unbeatable.

[@babore89]

The index but I haven't had much experience with other head sets and I still agree with you that the index isn't that good and I'm starting to have some audio problems along with one of my controllers breaking a bit

[@AlitaGunm99]

Index. Yes, it's outdated at this point, but I will never buy a Facebook product or make a Facebook account. An updated Index would be ideal.

[@xSS4x]

I'm still using my Oculus Rift, that thing is invincible. Just wish there was a way to upgrade the lens on it because that is the only real cons it has. Kinect V2 for FBT as well works great and was super cheap. I think it will be many more years before i change my setup.

[@Bromopar]

This video was a delicious banana. I've been wondering when the Valve Index was going to start showing its age and I guess that time is upon us. I know as soon as I got my Quest 3, my Quest 2 went in the bargain bin. Translation: I gave it to my wife. I love the Quest 3 a lot more than then its predecessor and I've been playing more VR games than ever before. It's a really tough package to beat right now.

[@vringo6503]

Es wird zeit für eine Index2 mit Oled + Höherer Auflösung + Wireleas. Gibt es da schon was neues an infos dazu?

[@QiVR42]

Hi Naysy! Awesome video as usual.. Hope you see this! Wanted to ask you a question that's been bugging me for ages - what are your settings for getting Virtual Desktop to run Beat Saber with no (or very little) LAG. Mine lags like crazy to the point where it's almost unplayable, even the haptics lag 😭 Also a lot of frame drops... It runs OK with Steam Link, but still has a lot of frame drops. I have a 3080 so surely that's enough for smooth gameplay. Quest standalone version runs beautifully, but I would prefer to use PCVR for custom songs etc.

[@randommonk1]

what naysy uploads to the internet isnt what u see in the headset. Since shes using the quest and using wireless in the headset its kind of laggy. you just gotta find that sweet spot and maybe u even need to upgrade your router. Though i dont need to since its 5G. try getting a 5G router or a Wifi 6 one. they are pretty good id say

[@OiZoProduct]

I love the wireless PCVR experience on the quest 3, after upgrading my wifi it's almost flawless that and the new steam link app on the quest make it a great experience all together!

[@Cymbiotic]

My Index died in two weeks due to a screen issue. Found the headset was too clunky, Couldn't do what I wanted to out of risk of failure. Just decided to keep it as a paperweight since I'd already gotten my trackers, Just kept my stations and controllers. Gonna get a Q3 and controller dongles sometime.

[@Bell_Arclide]

I think that next month everything is going to change with the release of the Pimax Crystal Light. I don't know if you will be able to get it in your country but it is a direct upgrade to the Valve Index in every way and for only $699. Its PCVR only so no messing with the quest 3 setup nonsense. It has the highest resolution of any consumer VR headset on the market. It has aspheric glass lenses that completely remove the godrays and distortion found in all other headsets. Its FOV and refresh rate are also similar to the Index. You can also chose to use lighthouse tracking with Index controllers or the inside out tracking built into the headset with Oculus style controllers. It truly does it all while only being a little more expensive that a Quest 3.

[@maxo1352]

Great video naysy ..they all seem so fun you really know how to make it look interesting keep up the great work 💯💯 your doing so great 😎😎😎😎

[@Egypts]

Do you prefer virtual desktop over steam link for beat saber?

[@dekawar723]

banana , I sure hope Steam makes a better one than the Quest 3 but yes i like it. wish it had the pro's eye tracking and had a external senser to help with tracking of controllers and Full Body Trackers. they say there going to let you use a webcam set up for the quest 3 for body tracking, but have not seen it yet.

[@xeno3d133]

Updated bigscreen review for sure. Considering getting one to replace my index

[@Ryu0rKen]

Surprisingly the Quest Pro controllers don't really seem to have any advantages in Beat Saber but I did notice a difference in tracking in other single player story games. For example I remember I was playing a game where I had to reload a shotgun quickly and I was having trouble with the Quest 3 controllers but and then I switched to the Quest Pro controllers and I could do it like it was nothing.

[@tomc1380]

Thanks and g’day fellow Aussie! Q3/QPro/rtx4090 user and I agree that once you go wireless it’s hard to go back to being tethered. I’m thinking about upgrading my wifi5 router by adding a dedicated wifi6e router. Which one are you using? Thanks mate and best cheers from the GC.

[@Naysy]

I use the one Virtual Desktop recommend. I think it’s an Asus router.

[@rickandnaruto]

I'm gona wait for the BigScreen Beyond 2. Currently have a Quest 3

[@Fredomnom]

i use the pico 4. But i think the controllers are really a bit heavy because i kinda get wrist problems while playing too much. so hmm i will be fine 😂

[@sodapopinksi667]

I would like to watch your updated thoughts on the Beyond. I originally ran into this channel because you were discussing hardware, and I stayed for the banana.

[@The_silent14]

I cant wait to upgrade to the quest 3 thx for letting me know

[@JamesBlack-f2g]

Ok i have the quest 3 to i beat spin eternally on the quest 3 and i beat ghost on the quest 3 and final boss chain tempo katana and power of the saber blade on expert plus

[@jagblocks3592]

Could you make a new review on the big screen beyond with all your thoughts?

[@Space-_-Bender]

9:20 There's no audio on the quest 3? Or a headphone/microphone jack?

[@ZenningZxno]

ill gladly take the valve index😃

[@jt3000o]

doesn't matter the resolution of the quest 3 is it still lower resolution because it is an encoded image from your computer

[@NTP_and_Editor]

honestly I don't blame you for switching to the quest 3

[@ShawnT007]

i sold index when i got quest 3 on launch day... it was obviously better

[@nickcalingo3309]

I really should've just bought the Quest 3 instead of the Quest 2, there was only a little difference...

[@KEMBL]

What is the game name at 03:28?

[@Llamu]

Beat saber unless you mean the one at 3:30 in which case I have no idea

[@NatalieNatNat3]

The timestamps are backwards lmao

[@TheCrazyMan3]

Under 20 mins 👇

[@sirleto1974]

banana?

[@figaro410]

Great video. Banana!

[@Chaos_Dave98]

I hate the vive controllers, these goofy ahh touchpads

[@Cranosgt]

If you don’t want it, you can give it to me

[@Cranosgt]

I always wanted to valve index

[@JadenFrancois]

can you play gorilla tag with me

[@fazervalez]

Banana 🍌

[@_GODLY_DUCK_]

banana

[@MrMultiSingularity]

banana in the comments :-)

[@MavieVRLive]

Banana

[@autobotguy]

The V64 update that just came out for the Quest 3 has an update for the Quest Pro controllers. I too used to have ALL KINDS of tracking issues and disconnects with the QP controllers, but this update COMPLETELY fixed the issues. Try giving the QP controllers another try!

[@Naysy]

I will! thanks!

[@wisher77]

Banana

[@CheekyChunt]

The hardest thing i found was going from a janky claw grip on Q2 to having to hold the controller properly on the Q3.

[@semmu93]

recently i discovered that if i only hold the end of the q3 controllers (so i cannot reach any buttons) it feels much more natural and i can aim better. i still wrap its rope around my hand tho, so it doesnt fly off. so i recommend experimenting with how you hold the controllers.

[@reenz1156]

@@semmu93 I use the AMVR grips, and hold the q3 controllers by the tips, with the help of the grips on my fingers not the back of my hand, and you can roll your wrists, just like with claw grip

[@chigawop]

The weight of the Valve controllers sound bananas

[@KingDiamondBones]

i mean i havent noticed any issues with weight lol ig its depends on person

[@exodous02]

Got my Quest 3 yesterday and yeah, the controllers are half the weight. I didn't know the knuckles were so heavy. Meta is probably going to allow 3rd party controllers, maybe someone will make knuckles for the Quest. Now I'd want them half the weight but besides that they are the most comfortable VR controllers.

[@duhby]

@@KingDiamondBones it doesn't matter until you start playing actually difficult speed maps. Sure you can still be good at them like thinkingswag and garsh, but it's clear there's an inherent disadvantage if you look at the headsets top players use (garsh doesn't even use index anymore)

[@KingDiamondBones]

@@duhby they dont weigh a lot but for beatsaber its not that good because with a quest 3 controller its j just a stick and more better shaped for beatsaber

[@Tak3aStepBack]

They were not heavy at all bro

[@Larv6464]

I would love to see an update Bigscreen Beyond headset review, a updated studio tour, and a best accessories for the Meta Quest 3 videos 😱

[@Paneka_]

The Quest 3 really changed how i think about VR. I was just about to drop VR completely, when i tried out the Quest 3. All the complicated steps to boot up Beat Saber on my old Rift, GONE. Put it on wherever you are, done.

[@vincentandersson7542]

How many steps was there?

[@kcg795]

I "rage-bought" the Valve Index when I thought I was having issues with tracking in Beat Saber with the Quest 2. It was, mostly, skill issue, turns out. I did try wireless with the Quest 2 with my PC, recently, and was actually impressed with how well it worked. It also seemed like the tracking was doing much better. I do prefer the wider field of view that the Index has. Everything you said at the end is the reason I'm sticking with my Index. I even bought a 3rd base station to help with tracking even more. Don't think it helped, but whatever.

[@gusar3213]

I wondered why you don't use the Bigscreen Beyond. The light Quest controllers and the cable are good reasons. There's also the lack of built-in audio on the Beyond. The thing with the Quest is, it's not the best in any particular thing, but delivers as an overall package. Costing less than PCVR headsets ist a great point too.

[@PinePlaysVr]

in my opinion, i like both my index and my quest 3 but i will always choose my index due to convenience lmao

[@kelownatechkid]

This is really good commentary and mirrors my feelings well. The Quest 3 for me is just so incredible I don't need any other headset right now.. it plays back 3D movies in full quality with the 4xvr app without even being connected to a PC, in mixed reality with hand tracking!! That feature alone makes it a must have, it's ridiculously futuristic and costs less than half of what I paid for a 3DTV 10 years ago.

[@lilan911]

Marry me ❤😄 Listening to you speaking "rings" both my mind and heart "bells" 🙂 ... so bad I'm in Russia :)

[@ddnava96]

Tbh the Index controllers may feel even heavier because of their shape. There's a big difference between having all the weight inside the part that you're holding (Quest Pro, Quest 3) and having parts of that weight away from your hand (Index) as that weight will try to twist your hand and that's something else you need to counteract The Quest 2 conteollers aren't that bad because the external part goes over your thumb and it kinda balances itself out

[@mymrmelon3503]

someone asked me why I use my quest 3 instead of index... Literally has better resolution, screens, lenses, etc.

[@johndoe-yw7eb]

I thought the main reason would be better pass-through, like in case you get hungry mid-session and want to grab a banana.

[@mathslap]

less accurate tracking makes speed easier since there is swing overcompensation giving you wider swing angles

[@tricky1383]

I def want to see a review of the Bigscreen Beyond because I've been considering jumping to that from quest 2, and I think I need to see more of it to finalize if I'm gonna get it or get like the vive xr elite

[@WcaVR]

So i spoke to a franchise owner at EBgames about the Valve Index. They told me that Ebgames was importing them with no partnership with valve. Valve flat out refuse to offer deals, so ebgames was buying fullprice with the benefit of franchised importing perks, to offer us the cheapest option. They told me ebgames would honor Australian warranty laws for it, but since they're importing, it'll take longer... they also laughed & mentioned they hope noone does cause it'll cost them more as a business too. Valve's actions against Australia from the long term it took to give us $aud in the digital store, to the lack of hardware sold here (vr , steamdeck , steam machines etc), i think Valve just don't want to sell to Australians or even like us enough to.

[@ayyndrew]

I've heard it's because the ACCC is very strict and were the ones that pushed Valve into their current Steam refund policy

[@WcaVR]

@@ayyndrew i considered that too, but valve have a longer history with ripping off Australians. before they gave us AUD in the shop, they charged us in USD. but they charged more. they would take the aud RRP and just put it on the store as USD, no conversion of currency. basically as an example, when GTAV come out, they wanted $103 but the digital store at rockstar charged $79aud. Valve has been out for australia for a long time.

[@ArlenKundert]

I think the easiest way for me to think about the Quest 3 isn’t if it’s the “best” XR headset; but instead, cost versus what it can do, it’s the most **versatile** headset. Banana

[@ddnava96]

You mean best value for your money, right?

[@ArlenKundert]

@@ddnava96 At $200, the best *value* would be the Quest 2 in my opinion. But for over all versatility, even at $500, the Quest 3 provides the greatest versatility for its price.

[@lavasurfer6548]

what would you say is the best VR headset that you can buy ?

[@randommonk1]

@@lavasurfer6548 cheap price: quest 2- 3. middle price: Htc vive-valve index. high price: Varjo headsets. {whichever one u wanna buy,}

[@Twiggy163]

And this is why I refuse to break from the Index: ease of use. I boot it, SteamVR boots, Im in the SteamVR Home room and off we go. The controllers being heavy is new to me. The resolution is a bit of a bother now, but its not like my PC can deal with anything more at the moment.

[@mrmurdock6994]

1 reason why the valve index is still the best headset. actually 3. 1 - laser tracking is superior than image tracking, 2 - no worries with battery for the real gamers, 3 - mods. there are many mods out there you can install on your vr. 4 - higher screen refresh rate (this one is much more important than resolution in VR btw index resolution is good enough). I'm waiting for the new valve index 2 come out to upgrade. I would never use facebook no privacy VR anyways.

[@Lazuriteplays]

I agree on refresh rate is more important than resolution for me too. Also, higher resolution require a more expensive graphics card (yeah, a point on a $1k headset). Plus, the experience is just... Good. The audio is phenomenal, the controllers are comfortable, the tracking is great (even when I forget to turn a lighthouse on). It's not the best at any one thing, but it does everything well. Sucks about the warranty. I could have saved $300 buying used, but I'd rather have a 2 year warranty if a controller or base station, or the headset itself dies.

[@mastergoose2k4]

Banana - I used to swear by my HTC Vive Pro's tracking being the best of the best. Cable never used to bother me neither, until I got to try a Quest 2 with Steam Link VR. I couldn't tell any difference in tracking accuracy, plus I had better optics and it was fully Wireless. Bought a Quest 2 on a discontinued promotion and have not touched the Vice Pro since. I never thought I'd be recommending something owned by Facebook, but overall it's better, even if I do still prefer the Vive's wand controllers.

[@4Panccaa4]

Nice video Naysy im running the Quest 3 and I use link cable for Beat Saber so I don't have any lag spikes. But when im playing Gorilla Tag PCVR I use air link so I can turn around. And for some reason when I use air link in my room where my PC is air link lags and disconnects but when I use air link in my living room where my wifi router is it's so much better. idk but i thought that if the headset is closer to the PC then it's better but I was wrong.

[@leinadreign3510]

The index controllers are heavy? Woa, Im using Vive pro controllers and pickig up index ones is such a huge difference: these are light! A bit too light. Im really afraid of breaking the index controllers if I bump into anything. So Im still using the Vive pro ones instead X D (I can defend my flat with them!)

[@CrimzonZ96]

Chat here's the thing. They can release the best vr headset ever but I'm still getting and Index for Christmas IDC!! Prob q3 for bday tho

[@JoshyyV2]

I still prefer the index, wireless is so insanely hit and miss for the main games I play I just cannot switch over, I need that response time.

[@williewinkster69]

here is a simple answer. If you want a high fps and high end gameplay and COMFY AS HELL headset then you want a valve index. if you want an EASY/fast set up and accessible for everyone headset so that kids can play on it too go with the quest.

[@ryderodonnell1078]

About the quest with valve index controllers. I love the index controllers I haven't had their ability issues yet but I've generally been not hooking my controllers around my room and I'm normally very gentle on my beard controllers. Still managed to get stick drift on my quest controllers but I was able to fix it because I own an air compressor. Which really helps when you have stick drift.

[@dj_duplicity4862]

Sooooo I play mostly shooters or combat games on vr and I legitimately hate the quest buttons for picking stuff up. I have heard the valve index has actual full finger tracking which sounds fantastic to me. Unless there is a way to get that on the quest 3 I don't see me getting one. I currently have quest 2 and was thinking of switching to the index because I do wired PCVR on steam and my quest 2 is suuuuuper blurry for anything even remotely far away

[@ericdraven7185]

Ive had a valve index for several years now... and I have the quest 3... I still like the index controls better in every way, and they aren't heavy.. maybe you need to work out.... even thou index is getting old... its still the the vr I still use.... and when I do use my quest 3 I use the cord for better resolution and connectivity... the tracking is no where near as good as index.. that alone makes the index better.

[@goofvrOffical]

24hr gang 👇

[@mycelium1456]

Index gave out other day and i have 3 working basestation 2.0 with 3 knuckle controllers and 3 body trackers i bought that i never got to use because i didnt play index for almost a year then bought steering wheel and played it worked great put it down tried next day no display did everything try trouble shoot. Either way jus made sense to get a index again especially since my 4080 will beable to do 144hz. That and i sold a ak skin and got 112 for it so only had pay 400. Im looking around second guessing but it just makes sense

[@radjam4e215]

Index controller are crap, my left one was faulty (capacitive joystick), they sent me a new one.. even worse x) Drifting, connection errors, faulty finger tracking ... Never send back my old one

[@NinjaGuyVR]

Makes a lot of sense! I also use the Quest 3 as my main headset. Doing content in VR is definitely more inconvenient than flat screen. But we find ways! Haha. Great video Naysy!

[@TriMuXx]

v64 fixed the "external mic" issue and v65 is already in PTC about to come out soon so I think a lot of the "Reasons why I don't like the Quest 3" will most likely go away very soon.

[@Smofy]

If you dont have good wifi or any ethernet and your trying to play pcvr, I think the quest 3 over link cable would be good. But I prefer the valve index because its so much more responsive in vr titles as because its connect directly to the gpu instead of a usb 3 port.

[@ryderodonnell1078]

Also the vive wand controllers are really heavy. But I still get a higher score and beat saber it's just it's a lot more strenuous on my body

[@danteblankenship6213]

The quest 2 and 3 work for me because I need portability. But I avoid the meta ecosystem, and game off my computer instead. Banana

[@xMidnightGalaxyx]

I'm hoping to someday have a quest. I still only play on psvr. I wish I could play linked to my pc. I would love to play modded maps. I feel like I have peaked on playstation. :(

[@chocolate5217]

I can relate with the weight of the controllers, I can´t do some beat saber levels because my arms are so heavy at the end that i can´t lift them fast enough to hit the upper notes. But as I play beat saber to lose weight it´s a plus thing 🤪. Other problem is the grip in Index, I don´t know why but sometimes I can´t get the best grip with my left hand and the movement becomes awkard in the faster songs.

[@drywall-k6]

for me this was the opposite When i started using pcvr it was smooth af doubleshot was no problem

[@PhoenixzVR]

Hi

[@syobon_karo]

I sold an unused quest 3 to get the valve index since its better at pcvr

[@perceptionzzz]

Quest 3 stand alone games still doesn't match the graphical quality of a pcvr headset with no video compression 😊😊😊

[@LightningBoy479]

Get the valve index its only 1500 dollars and needs to always be plugged in and has a wors resolution then the quest 2 and 3

[@insertnamehere4419]

Quest 3 antiquates the Index. 1600x1400 with fresnel lenses I mean...ya.

[@Anim8RAnarchy]

as someone who used qeuts 2 and 3 the battery is so bad it was a wired headsert cus i always had to use it on charge i will not be going back from my index

[@GlitchVR]

This video came at a great time thank you!

[@StepCrow]

Woah, this video is like a snapshot from 2013 lol.

[@b.s.7693]

Everyone is now curious if the Index really was buried 😆

[@micnolmadtube]

lol, paid actor. Index is BY FAR, the best.

[@neilladshead9308]

Well that’s made me feel even better about choosing the Quest 3. Banana 🍌

[@gloomyvale3671]

I’m looking forward to the deckard standalone headset.

[@randomperson-5000]

Banana?

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

idk i tried wireless vr a while ago it was so bad that i went back to wored i still preferr wired over wireless its faster and more secure

[@filipivan5125]

It is as simple as Quest 3 is plain better and its half the cost for people who want to buy one.

[@davidwatson2900]

Good to see a Australian vr girl on here some other videos not just on beat sabre would be great

[@4Panccaa4]

1 hour gang here ⬇

[@maxisverycoool]

yur

[@ME_GO_REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE1666]

Here

[@M_Mank3y]

Ok boomer

[@exodous02]

Just got my Quest 3 yesterday, got sick of waiting for the Deckard, and the controllers are crazy lite. I have some straps coming for them today, I have to have them attached to my hands like the Valve knuckles. I wonder if the Deckard will have controllers at all, they will probably be as good as Apple with hand tracking. Meta can't get it right though, maybe Apple is just magical.

[@Killswitch1411]

No one should be waiting in valves time. Enjoy VR what's currently out there.

[@andreasmeow452]

update review on Bigscreen beyond please, I beg uwu