Why I've Stopped Doing PEWGF In TEKKEN 8

[@Qbone_]

Why I stopped doing pewgf. Me never even done one 😢.

[@Panthro-lo2lh]

😂😂😂

[@kyoko-chan227]

I did a few accidential ones before on T7 but could never do it consistently

[@soldier257]

He’s talking about pewgf, that’s doing an electric as fast as possible so he can combo off the counter hit. Its even harder to do than just a regular electric

[@disruptor6550]

​@@soldier257not only does he talk about pewgf, he is even talking about CH df2 into pewgf. Which is even harder to do than just a normal pewgf on its own. CH df2 into pewgf is one of the hardest techniques in the entire game, if not THE hardest. I can do it in practice mode every now and then, but I've never done it in a real match. The people who can do that shit consistently in real matches deserve crazy respect.

[@cyberneticthezero]

Skill issue

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

TMM not doing PEWGF is a loss of character identity. Bamco messed up big time.

[@DanteHikato]

That's only if it affects other people. Not him

[@sobervision1049]

​​​​@@DanteHikatostill tho, killing skill expression in this game to incentivise other mechanics is a problem and many characters in this game already have that issue.

[@Sapphire_Jack]

Bamco will just bann him, that's their current character arc

[@RickRockerMusic]

It’s definitely a change in identity. It’s not lost tho because MM is saying his emphasis is more on mix up. Which Kaz has always been about mix up. So in a way, he’s more defined. But yea, a loss for electric ⚡️ lovers for sure

[@imeaniguess.6963]

*Makes it easier You’re welcome.

[@BigSleepy985]

Unrelated, I fought against a Kazuya in ranked called “iHATETMMSWE” and I got a chuckle out of it.

[@roninhubbard9059]

Seems related to me Masku!

[@ignaciojohnjoy]

Was he an Azucena?

[@phrsilva]

"I've fought against a Kazuya" "WaS iT aN aZuCeNa?!?" 😂😂😂

[@kamenlobster]

You dumb?​@@ignaciojohnjoy

[@jacoblorah416]

@@ignaciojohnjoy it's time to put the bong down

[@RickyRank]

TMM not doing PWEGF is like Goku not doing Kamahameha waves

[@darkninja9499]

Like taking the cape off superman 😢

[@donaldreid4193]

This is true but ultra instinct is a way more powerful tech and I think that what he is going for right now.

[@jukebox581]

​@@donaldreid4193i think the point of this comment is their signature moves. UI is an insane power up but it still has its weaknesses

[@donaldreid4193]

@randomvideoboy1 hahahaha

[@darkninja9499]

@randomvideoboy1 it's a kamehameha

[@frolanalmarines8458]

Omg im so glad he made this post! Yes, the reward system for Counter hit combos in this game is so weird because the rewards for max combos diminishes greatly. Opting for a simpler combo that is efficient is the way to go in this game. 👍

[@rabbyd542]

I was in training mode trying to improve my combos for about an hour. I ended up with a 6 hit combo.

[@frolanalmarines8458]

@@rabbyd542 6 is still good as long as the hits are strong 😂

[@rabbyd542]

@@frolanalmarines8458 I was getting less damage with a way harder combo that was like 11-12 hits.

[@S0LACE_AETERNUM]

@@rabbyd542 combo scaling is also a factor so theoretically say you do a combo with 12 moves that do 1 damage each thatll get beat out by a combo of 2 moves that deal 7 damage each so moral is more hits doesn’t necessarily mean more damage

[@rabbyd542]

@@S0LACE_AETERNUM I think the scaling is too harsh. I don't even want to bother with the execution of an optimal combo when I can easily do something I'll basically never drop for like 4 less damage. It kind of took the fun of the combos I was making from me. I use Lili and literally the most optimal route after a launcher is to press B1 into a Dew Glide cancel. I tried all kinds of juggles using different strings but it seems like all you really need to do is the B1 into a Dew Glide Voila, into another B1 Dew Glide into whatever ender depending on where the corner is.

[@VNSnake1999]

The day MainMan stops doing Perfect Electrics...

[@fancyhermit7]

I've always wondered why I haven't seen any of the PEWGF in the recent livestreams

[@prismo2351]

if you mess up df2, PEWFG and just get Electric, we can still micro dash b2, 4 micro dash df1, df2 T! It's hard to do but if you are used to doing micro dash it gets consistent. But overall I agree if you aren't getting pressure either through great pokes/strings with in-built evasion and crushing, you need to get your pressure through plus frames at the wall

[@mkzenkai]

You can also ewgf b 2 4 heat burst its a 90% consistant staple i do whenever i miss PEWGF , if i do not have heat anymore i do what you said it is hard but worth the shot !

[@prismo2351]

@@mkzenkai Yeah that is always good, I mainly try to save my heat burst for when I reach the wall to help me get the wall combo i want so i usually just try the micro dash option, we can still get 3,1 cancel into df1, 4 for huge wall carry after the T!

[@daletheriggedgamer3790]

Are you guys being sarcastic? It totally looks like you guys are just making fun of something, sorry if i seem ignorant, i have no fucking clue what any of this PEWGF or DF 2 shit is

[@mkzenkai]

@@daletheriggedgamer3790 i mean if you watched the video you'd know...

[@jd3455]

Bro just do a SSL electric and follow the usual b22 df1df2 ender

[@Helscar_]

Shoutout to that Tekken arcade machine in the intro with a centered joystick and only two buttons.

[@Ga1oThymos]

built for Special Style players

[@Tha-mountain]

That Jim's setup ​@@Ga1oThymos

[@SkipratTTV]

It's funny you've just dropped this video. Me and PGF were in a discord call last night and was talking about this. I've still been attempting doing pewgfs as it is fun to do and kind of a habit from T7, but yeah it's not fun to drop, and the damage is a lot less than in T7. They definitely need to reduce the scaling for something that is so inconsistent to do, so you are rewarded for the risk.

[@morky3673]

For those wondering, pewgf has the capability of creating new combo routes with higher damage. All TMM is saying is that in situations where he can combo for more damage with pewgf and high excecution or get more wall carry and ideally a heat engager. He will all ways opt for the option that gives more brings him closer too the wall. Same applies too Reina. When it comes too EWGF in general the move doesnt change, you still all ways aim too input ewgf as fast as possible for pewgf.if anything in tekken 8, with the high agression, its stronger than ever for keep out and whiff punish.

[@unkn0wnmortaL]

I use pewgf in regular combos just not ch df 2 haha i cant

[@morky3673]

@@unkn0wnmortaL ofc, any combo route with electrics is more consistent if you land perfects aswell. The only "dont" is going for combos that REQUIRE pewgf for more damage.

[@PolarSiren]

It's not about damage. It's not about winning. If I can't do a perfect electric at least 5 times in a row, I can't call myself a Mishima player. It's more about me being me

[@HawkOfGP]

Each for their own. But winning is winning.

[@liv3vil-Kei]

Once you've eaten enough backswing blows and db1+2 from my Azucena during your perfect electric atempts, You'll stop being you.

[@calvinnorth9642]

But can you do it 7 times?

[@Mozgodrobil]

@@calvinnorth9642 that's what she said 🤭

[@Rockoutgeek_]

@@calvinnorth9642ive done it 15 times inna row with all mishimas

[@JoeMurray5]

Love watching your progress learning t8 from beta to now. Kazuya is awesome

[@SineWavu]

You can save the electric, get the same wall oki, and great damage by doing micro dash b2,2>df1,2>bound>3,1(whiff 3)>cancel>df1,2 That’s for a size 28 stage at round start. You can do a simpler sequence for smaller stages

[@floridaman7206]

This is what I’ve been thinking of as well. I couldn’t understand why this character is so hard to pilot but not do giga damage. I realized this character is all about the wall and ground game. I simplified my gameplan to getting the opponent to the wall or knockdown at all costs and I’ve been doing better with him

[@fabbae215]

instantly made me recall one of my fave character in gbfv rising (djeeta or gran) who also falls the same gameplan 90% of the time. get opponent to wall and do wall combos

[@BanditTools]

Same kind of philosophy I have for Bryan taunt jet upper. The scaling on it is far to high making it too risky to drop. I opt for taunt b4 as its way more consistent.

[@Alpdude]

with bryan's carry you're bound to get a wall into another taunt unless we're talking about the pseudo infinite stages. I go for tju, seem to be getting kinda good at it too.

[@NickTheSickDick]

The scaling isn’t even that bad anymore, you get more than respectable damage.

[@Turtlebackneck]

Nah Bryan is completely different taunt is still important

[@BanditTools]

@@Turtlebackneck No doubt, I was considering just dropping the taunt game all together, but realized I still need some kind of taunt setup in my back pocket to edge out wins.

[@NickTheSickDick]

@@BanditTools The issue with tju now isn't the damage, it's just that you don't have as many setups for it in the open like old 3+4 on normal hit and stuff like that.

[@perfectgodfist]

Great Video 👍

[@thelastdemon9804]

1 damage

[@jumpfold]

Wow that makes so much sense I finally started getting it consistently been practicing it since Tekken 7 and now it's kind of obsolete LOL

[@crispylunch]

sad day 😢

[@LordViktorHun88]

Yeah he was trashing Xiaoyu being a setup-based trick character, not doing actual Tekken, and now he is kinda have to rely on similar tactics with his main. And he even says now Ling isn't that bad. 🤣 When your elitism makes you look ridiculous.

[@crispylunch]

@@LordViktorHun88 uhhh, talking to the wrong guy homie. i'm just thinking PEWGF is pretty damn cool. Kinda sad it's not rewarding enough compared to other options.

[@samuraix4966]

If the devs watch this video kazuya won't be so inconsistent.

[@TheXavierEvera]

mishimastar will be like 'it is what it is' and proceed to buff azucena and lars bit more

[@Edmitsu]

They don’t play the game. It’s clear as day

[@rapschised]

They’ll fix Kazuya with a universal change and create even more problems for the rest of the cast

[@Cherry91]

I doubt it cause devil Jin is their fav lol.

[@via_negativa6183]

This is video is all the evidence you need to show the devs they fucked up with kazuyas design In t8

[@nubtnii6051]

I will always go for PEWGF, at my level (Fujin, battle ruler) the people see the pewgf and you destroy their mind

[@spooky4223]

ive noticed i win alot more games when I stick to simple stuff, even restraining from ff3 and hellsweep, helps alot.

[@oolongpantsu3437]

Sometimes it does make sense. It is not just more damage. It is more unrecoverable damage. But who executes that Perfect Electric with even a 50/50 success rate?

[@roninhubbard9059]

Xactly. No one

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Perfect God Fist.

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

It actually proves your point though 😂

[@Hjortur95]

stage hazards burn recoverable health.

[@jordenbennett9707]

When you weigh the risk over reward it doesn't make sense risk a 20-30 extra damage or guarante combo with heat engage wall splat and stronger oki (while in heat)

[@realrightchris]

Side step electric is the new staple not 3,1,4 btw y’all

[@DemigodDan]

Yea it feels like in tekken 8 combo damage isn't worth the extra execution vs a basic combo to carry to the wall, even with leo doing the knk cancels in a combo feels kinda useless because they are hard to do and only give like 3 more damage if that, vs just basic knee wall carry combos to get them to the wall like you said just seems way more worth it especially with heat and the fact that bound works at the wall again like in tekken 6, wallcarry is always more worth for sure

[@vegetoavery]

H uhnv🎉l of. 😂😂.

[@genokaihl008]

It's similar to Nina's WR+1

[@slugshotgun]

I'm a low rank Kazuya and it's been a real struggle getting wins so far, especially when players spam springs most of the time the whole fight in these ranks, but now that I think about it, most of my wins come from utilizing the wall. Not even fancy combos, just his basic strings which surprisingly deal tremendous amounts of damage at the wall and are quite tricky to read and counter when the opponent is in that position. I guess Kazuya really is a very strong character if the player doesn't overcomplicate his tactics and just focus on solid fundamentals.

[@guyguy7002]

just play kazuya 50/50 as much as possible and use ff4 or bait getups with wavedash block if they try to kick. You will win a lot purely because people are going to pick one way to block and stick to it until they get hit 2 or 3 times and then they eat the mixup finally. Ff2 is also a godlike button, insane range and safe on block. Abuse the hell out of it. Wall is where all of kazuya big damage comes from, just doing basic wall resplat combo, especially into oki on wakeup, will get you far. Kazuya can be complicated but he can also be played with 0 thought at his core, 112 anything you cant launch, initiate 50/50, get them to the wall and win is the only things you actually have to worry about

[@The_Pantologist57]

​@@guyguy7002That's why I love the Kazuya match ups the most for my Bryan, we both need the wall for the damage😂

[@KrizbyYT]

This concept actually applies to other characters as well. Staple, wall carry combo is a must in Tekken 8.

[@muhammadfaheem3974]

Bro said he is not gonna sugar coat it!

[@torpedocleado9893]

I just learned to do it somewhat consistently but I can rarely do it in a match only in practice 😢

[@Mishima_RT]

Finally Namco will understand that Kazuya need some buff Thanks TMM❤

[@yojifalco]

I started playing kazuya in tekken 7 because i liked the fact that i earned my wins, by fundamentally beating my opponent and punishing every single mistakes he made with a 80% combo into 50/50. I do not enjoy tekken 8 kazuya as much (still play him because of character loyalism) because he now relies on set up that are litteraly knowledge checks, i mean what differencies masku tech or heaven's gate db1,2 from a gimmicky yoshi setup ? I dont have this rewarding feeling of "i just outplayed my opponent by seeing every mistake he made and destroying his health bar for it, along with all his dreams".

[@Miryemo]

Dunno if people do this too but when I land df2 ch, I just ssl into electric into b2,2 df1df2. its way more consistent than doing a pewgf and does more dmg

[@trashgamerxd7612]

we all should go back to 7 ngl 8 is so weird

[@Ponyboy999]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought like this

[@ImActuallyGood_]

It’s cool to use in orange ranks or lower above that it’s really should be the last thing u use on kaz ff3 hellsweep wavedash mixup into oki is kazuyas true identity always has been electric is just apart of his kit same for Reina and Jin

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

I guess the wall truly is undefeated

[@JBF14]

on this scenario really aplies the quote: "or you die as a hero, or you live enough for become a villian"

[@krazykaz7451]

Thanks for the clarity

[@Taetarontola2]

TMM, when they're talking about pwgf for Reina, they mean after Heaven wrath CH1 . Reina can do pwgf for a combo here. Devil Jin has one too after iws3 .

[@dechuggs9129]

I still go for it, b24 micro dash df 1, df 2 can still save the combo or b24 heat burst

[@tonisnooker]

Last Tekken On Earth

[@TheXzaclee16]

I 1000 percent agree with this i can get 93 damage combo with nina but its inconsistent and easier to drop than a combo i know will all ways work on even Xiaoyu, jack, and bears. Always better to not drop a combo and carry to the wall than to drop a punish or blow all your assets on a arena where the wall will cut your combo short anyway.

[@boysquadsoy6316]

This kinda play is how I started getting better at kazuya instead of worrying about being able to hit a frame perfect combo just focus on wall pressure and mix ups

[@treblot04]

I'm a Kaz main with Kaz friends. I said the same thing two months ago. I have been able to get missed electric to pickup with B22 DF12, but not consistently. Know, abolishing fist I do DDWGF B22 DF12

[@Arcfear]

My friend always welcome electrics so that he can parry/sabaki the move. One of the ways to break a Mishima player.

[@Algahiem]

I have to agree. IMHO, performing an EWFG (especially in T8), while awesome, to be mostly impractical and is a clear case of "you can...but why would you want to?" Sure, you CAN spend countless hours mastering the art of the EWGF so you can pull it of consistently...but WHY would you want to countless hours mastering the EWGF when you consider the follow factors?: 1. With the inclusion of "Heat Mode" in T8, any the Mishimas can pull off a EWGF without even trying (for at least 10-15 seconds). 2. Even if you find method where you can more consistently execute an EWGF, it's still a gamble to pull off on purpose. 3. For most players, the time and effort leaning to pull off a guaranteed EWGF in usually better spent elsewhere. (i.e. learning frame data and move properties, punish practicing and/or landing a consistent combo). While the WGF is an important part of any Mishima's arsenal, it's NOT the only move worth using, and as TMM point out, there are much better, more powerful options when it come to landing damage with any of the Mishima bloodline.

[@qjwatim]

he's talking about PEWGF, not EWGF. EWGF is still worth learning as it's probably the best or one of the best moves in the game. PEWGF is specifically after df2, where you can input a EWGF as fast as possible to make it launch.

[@photondebuger45]

... Did I wake up in an alternate time line..... I am scared now... Lol

[@NarcoticDimension]

So if more people knew the Zafina matchup she would be difficult to use?

[@SrKimori]

Correct

[@NarcoticDimension]

@@SrKimori okay thanks

[@dontpetentertainment3450]

Zafina main here and yes when they know the matchup it becomes crucial to have good defense and matchup knowledge or ur cooked.

[@TooSweaty7]

Zafina main as well a lot of her stuff is fake and not real.

[@wisdomseeker0142]

Almost a god with her. Listen … Ive fought battle rulers that know her or a lot of things I wouldn’t expect. The same things applied at fujin to Raijin… you Must play defensive in a game full of aggression while managing your health. Your moves cost health and even though the self damage has been slightly lowered taking a little bit of your life to win is the difference between winning an entire set or getting demoted quick. You take those added nerfs to the equation you realize you have to know every matchup to maintain your rank.

[@markusn146]

please like this so the main man can see. I am not the best mishima player, but I use a route that works for a failed pewgf. The main thing is to do ch df2, ewgf, b2,4 and then heat burst into tornado. for arenas and small stages, df1,2 tornado into df1,4 always reaches the wall from mid position (does 85 damage against the 79 damage he does in the video) for long stages, f2 tornado into 31 cancel df1,4 always reaches the wall from mid position (87 damage iirc) again these are untapped routes and I mainly play devil jin in 8 so not really well-versed in chdf2 combos in 8, but they take you to the wall and you can still do pewgf consistently for execution watching you do pewgf has been an inspiration mainman, I hope you dont stop df2 dorya your opponents.

[@ranges787]

after failed pewgf there is still a way to do a full combo with a micro dash or with heat etc but the point is 1. the backup plan is waaaaay to hard to do consistently i mean this combo can fail like 4 different ways and only 1 scenario allows you to do a micro dash and all the other ways instantly drop the combo and thats a big nono in a game with super easy staples. and 2. you don’t wanna go into heat before you hit the wall. using heat only for travel or for wall pressure and the pewgf doesn’t travel any further anyway so it’s wasted heat

[@markusn146]

@@ranges787 see the thing about heat in this game, is that heat gauge won't drop when you are performing a combo (I.e. heat won't go down when opponent is airborne) so wasted heat is just a myth. That's why I opt for the heat burst route since it is extremely consistent

[@ranges787]

@@markusn146 thats not what i mean with wasted. it’s like tmm explains if you use heat for the combo everything is fine and dandy you won’t lose meter BUT you lost the bound. and thats what i mean with wasted. you get insane pressure if opponent hits wall and then you use meter and that aspect is lost if you do it in the combo. edit: and since heavens gate is now giga nerfed it’s even more important to use heat at the wall before nerf you could use heat to extend the distance and heavens gate his ass but now its gone

[@markusn146]

@@ranges787tmm did heat burst on wallsplat so what's the difference? If the combo is to hit wall, it's still the same thing to me. The wall combo is still going to connect and you still do your oki afterwards.

[@ranges787]

@@markusn146 yes i can’t rly explain it in the end it doesn’t make a difference i mean you drop pewgf and you are forced to use heat and if you don’t go for it you still have the choice. it should always be used in the last moment. like you do a combo and see ok wall is still not close enough lets use heat. or ok i got this dude to the wall lets end this dude heat. Or i got this dude to the wall i will just wall combo he still has heat maybe i wait and answer with my heat. but all this goes away if the scenario now is F i dropped the combo gotta use heat no matter what or i miss out on chongus dmg all because of a just frame that does in the long run less dmg. in the end yes it doesn’t cost more or something i know but the choice is always better than a force leaving options open maybe is the right term haha

[@JellyGODJet]

I kinda figured TMM stopped doin the PEWGF in T8 cuz of the fight that he had with Devilster's Jin he rarely did the PEWGF after either wr2 or df2 and if he did, it was for optimal combos

[@comex667]

you can still do b24 into micro dash df1 df2 after the electric,its not that hard just a little inconsistant

[@ranges787]

yes but pewgf can fail on more than just 1 scenario and if df2 happens it’s over anyway or if the ewgf is too late the dash becomes not possible that’s why it’s so inconsistent haha and on 4bars df2 happens to me alot of the time

[@C_H_U_]

What’s up guys mainmanswe - knee

[@VictorHernandez-vc5zo]

I used to do electrics more in tag 2 cause getting that as a launcher and tagging out into a crazy combo was worth it and sexy af. Mind you I'm bad at them, but it was enticing to go for it because of the reward. I get it that it would be busted now since pros can get em out no problem, but now I'm not even attempting them anymore. In neutral it's so risky if I wiff, if I don't get an electric, if it gets dodged. I just would rather not in neutral. And about kazuya already being inconsistent, yeah I'm not that good at the game so..... I really don't even try electrics in this game unless it's just guaranteed pressure

[@M1ndzor]

Who thought putting a part of video in front so you have to watch in twice as well as 10+ seconds intro is a good way to edit videos xdd

[@polar4736]

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[@jonathanfr9809]

That why jin have the perfect electric for TK8 , you can even do the not perfected to mess up ppl timing

[@xer05tar]

I rarely agree with TMM, but he's 1000% right about how you're supposed to play T8. As a Steve player, going for high execution stuff is not worth it in any situation. He loses momentum faster than any other character in the game.

[@NYG5]

CH df2, ssl, EWGF, b2,2, df1df2 for good damage and wall travel

[@tonisnooker]

With nerfed neutral scaling I once thought 2D characters were returning yet beside Kazuya doing these sort of things with any character now isn't worth it beside ending/winning rounds

[@sparklingcutie]

Hearing this from the god of Kazuya breaks my heart.

[@c1dotzsxjigga940]

Well it also doesn’t help that his df12 whiffs on ewgf combos which means your forced to only do one combo he has season 1 and season 2 Tekken 7 combos right now

[@BertDaBeethoven]

The fact that people like TMM can still make Kazuya look good even after so many nerfs and what he's lost is impressive. edit: I had no idea this comment would get 10 replies lmao. Seriously though, if you disagree, come up with a better argument than "erm he's actually the best you're just bad."🤡Like just do your research and you'll see how much of a difference there is just in damage alone and you can find nerfs in the actual patch notes. The people who actually agree with me are giving valid arguments and specific frame data while some of yall are just babbling. Anyway sorry for giving more time than I should with trolls. I'm just surprised this got more attention than what I'm used to lol.

[@fatalishuntinghorn]

What nerfs bro? Are We playing the same game? Put this kayzua in tekken 7 and He is easily top 5

[@justanotherguy4178]

@@fatalishuntinghornlet me guess your a devil jin main

[@blueeyeswhitekarin3267]

This is still the best Kazuya has ever been in any tekken

[@Tristan02539]

⁠@@fatalishuntinghornbut Kazuya got nerfed in literally every patch that’s come out so far except for this recent one that came out yesterday. But actually technically he did get nerfed again because his df1df2 is bugged now and the second hit doesn’t come out sometimes. And to be fair if you put any of the Tekken 8 characters in Tekken 7 they would easily be top 5.

[@guap2cold]

@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267tekken 5 kazuya was the best . This years kazuya has a lot of consistency issues

[@devilquake_]

I think it is worth it only if you wanna save your Heat Bar.

[@carljohnson4285]

It's weird because I feel like the p e w g f has gotten slower. If I play Tekken 7 it's fast as hell with perfect execution. But in 8, it's just a throwback meme

[@vista1456786]

3.28 I remember recently watching a Mainmanpak video , where I saw a pewgf combo into wall with heat (pre -cd1 nerf) and thinking that did not do that much damage (don't get me wrong though 65 to 70% is nothing to slouch at one).

[@enrikekasijas705]

They will nerf wall combo to make you do PWEFG again 😂

[@Maloki175]

Guy's, don't worry, he will start doing PEWGF again. Trust me.

[@plaguesnstuff7657]

Friend of mine is working his way through just using Kaz's 1, df1 and some low pokes. He says it's because there's no point trying to electric when you have no way of escaping your opponent in 8.

[@atollcollector]

electrics are a great way to get your opponent off you wdym

[@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead]

​@@atollcollectorThat is actually the point, PEWGF has been relegated to a counter hit, nothing else

[@plaguesnstuff7657]

@@atollcollector Electrics are a whiff punish most of the time. Spacing is required to use them effectively and with 8's lack of pushback, constant forward momentum and easy get in tools, it doesn't really exist.

[@onceyougozach2607]

Why does no one in the comments understand that mainman is talking about DF2 > PEWGF launch? He is not talking about just doing electrics in neutral lol, he would never say that's not worth doing.

[@plaguesnstuff7657]

@@onceyougozach2607 It's not that it's not worth doing ever it's just hard to set up in 8 given how useless kbd is against certain characters and how easy it is to just use heat to escape any pressure.

[@epictcg4424]

Perfect electric was always inconsistent. I can do it but I could never rely on it if I'm trying to win. Simply just play someone basic like Shaheen and you're life would be better or Claudio. Mishima is fun though. Cause they are the hero and villain. He is also right, set up in this game with heat is insane. 😆

[@harmony037]

I'll just accept the fact that Tekken 8 isn't made for doing PEWGF no more.

[@ManYetNo1]

The loss of b2,1 is kaz is greatly felt here

[@Heat-u5v]

"The hardest sequence in the game" Meanwhile TJU and mist trap: yeah yeah

[@SGHNTZ]

While I get what you mean and I agree, there is actually a trick to land one while not sacrificing any dmg if you f**k up, but you have to delay your PEWGF timing on purpose.

[@KoufalKoufax]

How can you land a chdf2 pewgf if you delay pewgf on purpose this is the most contradicting comment i have seen today , its a 1 frame perfect input you cant delay that or else you wont be able to launch the opponent from ch df2.

[@SGHNTZ]

@@KoufalKoufax Even the greatest players who can land PEWGF's 99% of the time can drop it and most of the times it's because they were 1, 3 or whatever frames early with the input so they get a DF2 and they can't save the combo from it, your timing will never be the same everytime and this is why the delayed timing is a trick.

[@KoufalKoufax]

@@SGHNTZ say what again?

[@KoufalKoufax]

@@SGHNTZ there is no trick to it, it should be 1 frame window to execute PEWGF after CHDF2 to launch the opponent.

[@SGHNTZ]

@@KoufalKoufax It's a trick I use, but I guess as a none native english speaker it's difficult for me to explain what I mean. Basically check how much frames you hit the PEWGF attempt too early when you get a DF2 and that's the frame you have to add to your normal PEWGF timing in your mind, this is the delayed timing trick, this way you will most of the time only float your opponent with the electric, I KNOW, but it's a consistent launch while because of the same reasons you get DF2's with the proper timing, you can get PEWGF's with the delayed timing.

[@m3lodeth]

I think damage priority is still worth it in stages where the wall is far.

[@gustavogoesgomes1863]

abolishing fist into pewgf already works as a different launcher than abolishing fist into regular electric. so why not also change the combo airtime to make it longer? imagine abolishing fist into 5 electrics? I mean, considering how atrociously difficult it is to pull off, shouldn't it be the most damaging combo in the game? it comes from an unsafe ch launcher, it's the perfect storm

[@Exeeter1234]

When difficult execution check options are appropriately rewarded, the fighting game in question is ALWAYS a lesser version of its potential self.

[@djterror300]

Bryan can't even do mixups cause he's an honest character and most people know the matchup, cause he's popular. I can't wait till the patch notes get here for balance/nerf for the game alongside top tier characters.

[@PerroTrotavidas]

Funny enough I noticed how you stopped chaining 6 electrics like you used to do... Balancing the game for more casual players is really paying off I see.

[@Remorsefullyhumble]

Sadly

[@Shirikatsu]

It's really killed skill expression in this game....

[@Lobothemainman23]

Still does in heat

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

He can still do that on infinite* stages since he won't be reaching the wall anyway and Oki will be great. Maybe he's just tired of being a tryhard.

[@MrWhiteKniight]

​@@UltimateBallaPOM There are no infinite stages in Tekken 8

[@Gamer_Fayt]

I agree that Kazuya has changed. PEWGF was a blast to spam but now I never even do a WGF with Kazuya. I'd rather sit on a cactus then to use a watered down version of a move that got nerfed for no reason. Also, Reina is the better Kazuya now, good job Bandai.

[@kairevant]

Did not think it was possible to not want people to do pewgf.

[@avin9640]

While reina and drag can easily just reach above 100 or 80+ damage kazuya df2 is just not enough because of the damage

[@CaptainUsoppp]

We got main man not doing electrics before we got gta 6

[@julanrios548]

The main man announces he is now sugar coating it

[@simoneserafini5939]

Should they mitigate the chip damage in your opinion? I mean, ok this game is "aggressive" but if you make a single mistake and end up in a defensive situation, you have sooo few options to come back.

[@Real_Genji]

Difference between Perfect Electric and regular Electric?

[@GiovanniBallerinii]

4 just frames for what he's speaking about

[@EternalSilverDragon]

EWGF: f,n,d,d/f+2 - 14 frames fast at max speed. PEWGF: f,n,d/f+2 - 13 frames fast at max speed, Kazuya only (because of his unique f~ animation). The point is that when Kazuya launches with his CH d/f+2 (Abolishing Fist), after his d/f+2 animation has finished, while the opponent crumples they technically remain in a "standing state" for exactly 13 frames before becoming "airborne". Meaning that if Kazuya immediately hits them again with an attack that's 13 frames or faster, it does guaranteed unscaled damage and it will hit them as if they were standing rather than airborne. So, CH d/f+2 > PEWGF (at max speed) becomes a very high damage launcher. It's very difficult to do and if there's one single mistake in the timing then you don't get the reward. That crucial 1 frame of difference means that this cannot work with a regular EWGF, because even with a max speed CH d/f+2 > EWGF, the EWGF would hit after the opponent has entered the airborne state.

[@ytpme1930]

Pewgf is 13 frames Ewgf is 14 frames

[@XYjujuPSN]

How do you feel about PEWGF on Jin though?

[@Snow_is_Phertil]

Since infinite stages are gone should they make it where you get up where the last round ended only on the big stages?

[@Of_Neptune]

So if I were to pick up a Mishima, I shouldn’t even worry about practicing my Electrics? Besides wave-dashing and punishes, it’s been my largest learning curve.

[@pian-0g445]

Hmmm. Depends. There may still be situations where you need that extra bit of damage and either is extremely risky to go for 50/50 or aren’t near enough to a wall (e.g. coliseum)

[@user-wg1gd5gg7s]

Does TMM know you can still save a dropped PEWGF with dash b24 dash df12? Shouldnt be a problem for him execution wise (micro dash catches seem a lot easier in T8 than T7) and you still get the great wall carry? Theres always still place for the PEWGF on big stage if you wont get to wall but you need the damage to close the round. In T7 you simply always just brainlessly went for it because the best combo worked either way... now theres more to consider in a way.

[@Trebxable]

I can't believe we're not not sugarcoating it anymore

[@julanrios548]

Technically he’s sugar coating it now

[@erdemkarakockoc]

When t8 released i get it and said to myself why would i give a stress to myself ? I will do basic combos and i will reach wall somehow idc cuz kazuyas wall pressure is really a thing. All possibility with heat gives so much choices to your enemy and its really good because this is mindgame no one can learn "counter game". Im afraid little bit for this because we choose basic way and our sacrificed damage is really low so maybe they can nerf kazuya. (Actually heavens gate nerfed too but not enough db1-2 is craaazy)

[@AGX200]

You can still save it with b24 into heat burst

[@Noum77]

Even the PEWGF is waste on Reina

[@Majdi-]

YOU CAN STILL GO FOR PERFECT ELECTRIC AND STILL COMBO IF YOU DROP IT BY USING B2,4~HEAT BURST OR B2,4 ~ MINI DASH DF1DF2.

[@ixdevil4225]

You can do b2,4 after failed PEWGF and then activate heat thats works

[@ranges787]

yes but now you have wasted heat and won’t do crazy wall dmg/oki because the bound at the wall is way more worth it than to safe a failed attempt that works maybe 1/10 1/20 times online and because online shenanigans if you end up with df2 it’s done anyway and for some reason this happens to me all the time in t8 in t7 it was not that often

[@mamamia5905]

I kinda felt like this with Reina and she’s much better than Kazyua. It’s honestly just fun to do though but i’ve stopped trying to do so many in a match.

[@Frailty8]

I came to this realization in 7, not that I could do it consistently anyways

[@stupidgamer201]

this vid is nice, made me think about how characters & players change just because of what a game prioritizes it's really cool to think about

[@Diegoshadow85]

Maybe but it's just basically what's META is all about which is every online game. People always gravitate to easiest and most effective tactics (statistically ofc nobody gonna stop you to play inferior gun or character or w/e if you like it)

[@starter497]

Would this not be viable for a player like you when the wall is nowhere near? You can still use heat to bound a fail pewgf on a stage like yakushima or colliseum

[@blueeyeswhitekarin3267]

My thoughts exactly

[@BullC6]

All of this could be fixed if they bring back b2,1 screw/tornado

[@Cherry91]

Well that's kinda sad cause it's always hype when a player lands a PEWGF...