Why Ichigo vs Gojo & Sukuna isn't close!

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[@justsomeguywithamustache2901]

It's crazy that most jujutsu kaisen fans nowadays haven't read bleach, so they think bleach fans are crazy when they say the bleach verse destroys the jjk verse neg diff😂😂

[@youssefibrahim5496]

bro why are you everywhere

[@animezparadisez69]

@@youssefibrahim5496 He's the master of being everywhere but nowhere at once

[@keanswanepoel7073]

Yeah true most people say things about shows/Anime/movies only to not have even watch the things they talk about LOL.

[@keanswanepoel7073]

but even Fans that have watched everything can be wrong like this video it's not wrong but is a little misleading around how infinity works

[@smallbag123]

Bruh you are everywhere wth at this point I think I'll sub to you or something

[@OurDarkGoldenHero]

Bro Ichigo literally walks through Infinity, shatters it, then just raw dogs Gojo. Spiritual pressure, if strong enough, is shown to effect and distort space heavily.

[@potatosalad3655]

They'd get treated like those soul reapers that got too close to aizen and got erased from existence from sheer spiritual pressure Its not even a fight

[@kyodainafx9958]

To be fair, Spiritual Pressure alone could beat them

[@animezparadisez69]

@@kyodainafx9958 True but energy still equalized

[@jadynfelix]

Imagine the look on their face when the dude named Strawberry packs them up 😄

[@animezparadisez69]

@@jadynfelix YESSIR

[@vnthang7331]

I can already hear Ichigo yell out "My name means One Who Protect, damn it!" when I saw Strawberry.

[@JachinFinch]

Bro ichigo beating a one v two is completely in character (he did one v four once)

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

JJKids coping when daddy Bleach neg diffs them

[@keanswanepoel7073]

LOL so many people talk shit about Bleach that it Drives some people to just automatically think it's bad and not even give it a chance then when some youtubes or tiktokers say bleach is bad they just trust them witch I hate that there are people that just tell others to just even bother I Dislike like people that try and tell people stuff like (Hey that Anime is ass or something don't waste your time watching it ) just leave them to find out if they like it and sorry for the long poems I write I just find it easier to write it out longer to explain stuff a little better .

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

@@keanswanepoel7073 no problem Also Bleach being more edgy/mature and less flashy than the other Big 3 definitely made it less popular. Also with how complex the writing is and the foreshadowing there is in the series that pays off during the TYBW lots of people will definitely feel pushed off. Hell, all the glazing One Piece gets for it's foreshadowing should actually be going towards Bleach. And if I'm being honest, not actually trying to hate on Oda, but given how long One Piece is I'm 100% confident Oda hadn't planned for many things but instead added them in along the way (like realizing Mr.3 floating on water plot hole but then adding "super floaty wood" during Fishman Island arc). Even some minor details like Luffy's devil fruit chest being stolen from the Marines, and how in the live-action they added the symbol to the chest Also with the whole Nika reveal, there are still a few plot holes I think about (I'm on when Brook breaks Big Moms photo, but that doesn't stop OP spoilers to the point I learn more about OP than the glazers) -also because spite and internet arguments-

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

@@keanswanepoel7073 and fun fact: there's an actual whole book talking about the deeper meaning of Hollows And this is basically my educated opinion, but Bleach having a more complex writing is why its more influential than the other Big 3

[@keanswanepoel7073]

@@justsomeguyonhisphone709 I love bleach as much as I do bc of the complex writing I love being told something at one point then much later in the series it coming to light bleach was as well the first anime I watched it's what got me into anime

[@oatatus4102]

I love when bleach as a whole gets acknowledged without some random in the comments discrediting everything Kubo has written.

[@Mohit-ct1qs]

Ichigo in tybw has multiversal reiatsu for becoming next soul king. Equalize verse? None of sukuna or gojo got enough ce to make their attacks or hax even relevant. Do not equalize verse? They can't even see ichigo. And they will die from mere presence. Either way, ichigo doesn't even needs his sword

[@African-AmericanGoose]

Ichigo can even be argued at 6D.

[@KLOTEROLEROTAR]

I'd like to bring up that in a Klub Outside interview, Kubo stated that Gin would kill Askin. Askin scales FAR above sternritter like Liltotto who casually dodged the Auswhalen light. Saying Gin is merely mach 500 directly contradicts Kubo's own words in Klub Outside. As that question was answered fairly recently, that means it takes precedent as it is the current form of author intent.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@KLOTEROLEROTAR Death of the author. Gin has no feats proving he can. If you can't provide evidence from the main source material then that says a lot. Also being generous I'd give that relativistic at best. You want me to downgrade Ichigo from MFTL+ to that? Very questionable.

[@KLOTEROLEROTAR]

@@animezparadisez69 Death of the author doesnt apply here. Kubo says something in a Klub Outside q&a that directly implies Gin is MFTL plus by scaling to Askin. You can find it in like 5 seconds by reading through the japanese klub outside page jumping to the q&a for August 7th 2023. Also, I am not "downgrading" Ichigo's speed. I am simply stating feats that narratively debunk Gin being mach 500. THe feat was clearly referring to the hand movement, not the sound of the clap.

[@abhinandp1844]

​@@KLOTEROLEROTARKubo didn't mention speed. If Gin's Bankai pierces through Askin, he will die due to the poison. The reason behind this question is that both of them poison their opponents. If Gin poisoned Askin, it would be fatal for him, and it wouldn't be a one-on-one fight. The question is all about whether Gin's poison could kill him or not.

[@KLOTEROLEROTAR]

@@abhinandp1844 The fact alone his poison is fatal to Askin means Gin is relative to him. Thats kinda how hax in bleach works.

[@roywempor8395]

1. gin said it's 500 time faster than the clap, not the sound. 2. gin was faster and lied.

[@Grimm766]

wait thats kon?? in the reference where he kicked the pebble to a distant galaxy

[@animezparadisez69]

Ah shit you may be right. Fuck I need to re read Bleach

[@Grimm766]

@@animezparadisez69 real lol

[@TxLegacy_8099]

I don't agree with the speed part but there's other way ichigo can get past infinity using tresended Aizen's data book data book statement written by the author his self

[@keanswanepoel7073]

Agreed it's not impossible but just not an easy thing to pull off Gege make Infinity a pain to bypass but not impossible to bypass

[@daifukulatte8579]

Gran rey getsuga

[@sjdkdkrmdirkfkdm7683]

Soul society arc ichigo negs

[@gunman8452]

Substitute Shinigami Ichigo was already reacting to light speed attacks from Menos, Soul Society Ichigo is too much for JJK lmao

[@bmxgu2361]

Either way Ichigo wins easily but: For the Gin speed feat, that's the speed of just his sword during bankai. Which makes sense due to how long it becomes. It would have to be awkward to swing around. In terms of speed we've seen Ichigo dodging cero blasts since the menos grande in the first arc of the series. And ceros were said multiple times to be light speed. Same thing was shown when the lieutenants dodged the negacion beams that picked up aizen at the end of soul society. Then add the form multipliers after that. Then for Gojo, his infinity is reliant on the fact that his six-eyes can detect the mass, speed, energy, etc... of attacks that come at him. In the manga Gojo explains that if you threw a poison knife at him he'd be able to detect the knife and subconsciously block it but would not detect the poison as the six-eyes can't analyse that. And he needed to train a ton in order to get used to identifying and blocking certain things subconsciously. So Gojo who doesn't know the properties of spiritual attacks like Ichigo's just straight up can't block them with infinity.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@bmxgu2361 There's never been statements of the ceros being light speed that's a blatant lie and head canon. You see the word light and automatically assume it's light speed and photonic that's not how that works. Same thing about the negacion. Y'all always gotta take things out of context for Bleach for literally no reason.

[@bmxgu2361]

​@@animezparadisez69 The negacion is called a beam of light by Yama. Where is it stated that's it's not light speed? And even if it wasn't, that doesn't change the fact that the Gin feat is referring to his bankai's sword swings while activated/extended. Are you saying that because Ichigo is having to block it that it makes him that speed? I mean if so that makes more sense then equating it to his actual movement speed. Like I don't mean to doubt you, I've simply heard tons of people scale negacion to light speed

[@heinsderr7323]

@@animezparadisez69 Negacion is literally said to be light, as in the concept itself.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@heinsderr7323 Bet send evidence of that because it's clearly never been stated that in the main source material.

[@heinsderr7323]

@@animezparadisez69 Go read the manga, when Aizen and his peers are being taken away. It's literally said to be light, yet you try to bullshit your way out of copium with "oh but we don't know if it's photons" (even though it's said to be light, and light is photons)

[@SirL_56]

to make this fair you need 400 heian era sukunas who just hit 20 black flashes and also have infinity

[@imperialspy7204]

I dont get how gojo fans think a normal human being can take on a planet buster

[@animezparadisez69]

@@imperialspy7204 Now tbf Gojo isn't a normal human being. But yeah Ichigo does slam

[@MagicianSama]

Passive Reiatsu crush go brrr

[@youssefibrahim5496]

i will predict b4 watching this vid that ichigo would utterly destroy gojo

[@Fuegoaries]

Ya references funny lmao got my sub

[@animezparadisez69]

@@Fuegoaries Ay thx!

[@jeremiahkisimba5938]

Jujutsu kaisen fanboys and fan girls are delusional they think gojo can beat multiverse characters 😭😭😭

[@IBXsmartguyXD]

Why was he so mad at the start💀

[@animezparadisez69]

@@IBXsmartguyXD Huh me? I don't think I was particularly mad I was just making outta pocket jokes.

[@VIRUS_404_SANS_BRUH.Xel0r.-_-.]

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[@batbutchasing]

Haven't even watched bleach and I know ichigo destroys jjk

[@emmanuelakande3563]

Gin said he was lying about that not that long after and there are more lightspeed fights for bleach at that point than count arguments

[@animezparadisez69]

@@emmanuelakande3563 Ok so here's what I have to say about that. Every Bleach argument before this was absolute dogshit and requires massive assumptions and inconsistencies. Not to mention Gin by his own words said it was slower than Mach 500 if you actually read the manga. Then again the data books support if being Mach 500. So here's my question. Are you more credible than Gin and Kubo lol? If so do what I said and get a cookie there's still ways Ichigo gets to MFTL+.

[@emmanuelakande3563]

@@animezparadisez69 im not more credible but gin says himself that he was lying about the speed of his bankai and its length we don’t know its speed to say it’s faster or slower is complete headcannon because he debunked himself in his fight against aizen which makes sense as how is it the fastest bankai when people have way faster bankai like yamma, shunsi and other. I would love to here the inconsistency because of the main speed feats are cutting in at least less than 2 seconds to maybe even less than a second depending on byakuya speed or we have the spiritual light of cero or the Negación which are just pillars of light the only thing that kinda debunks off the top of us the databook which is kinda weird because of it’s a simile not a fact because of the wording but i don’t speak jappense and i only saw the english version

[@animezparadisez69]

@@emmanuelakande3563 Homie if you read what Gin says you can see he's saying it's slower. Do you speak English or naw? What's head canon is saying things that emit light is inherently light speed. Also send evidence Yamamoto and Shunsui have faster bankais because they don't have speed type bankais. Also "here" the inconsistency? Wild. But sure we can debate the inconsistencies as well. Also those "light" statements said light. That was it. It was emitting light. So there's nothing implying it's light speed. You say I'm using head canon when I'm not then turn around and use head canon metas. What's worse is that Gin by his own wording said it's slower. So like I said if you think you're more reliable than Kubo and Gin then ok get a cookie like I said.

[@emmanuelakande3563]

@@animezparadisez69 first no he didn’t say it’s slow he said it’s not as fast as i said which if you watch the dub makes it very clear that he lied about the distance and we doent know how fast or slow it is. He never said it is slower and he didn’t say it is a way that implies it slower. And where did it say it was emitting light it is light it is spiritual light it is a pillar of light it made of light not emmiting it

[@animezparadisez69]

@@emmanuelakande3563 Yes by his own wording he did. He did in the sub and in the manga. So yeah you are using the dub over the official translation that proves you don't know what you're talking about. And I guess everything that emits light is now light speed. They never said it was photonic light. Like this is what y'all Bleach fans can't accept. I understand English may not be your first language but I've been speaking it my entire life and Gin was saying it was slower. And like I said if you don't like fax then we can debate.

[@elijahclark8575]

Also cero distorts space

[@animezparadisez69]

@@elijahclark8575 Well distortion of small bits of space isn't impressive.

[@2Tune2]

Jjk is the anime equivalent to the boys

[@apocrypha5062]

Why not Lille vs Gojo and Aizen vs Sukuna?

[@itzempathy4464]

X axis kills gojo 1 shot, and Aizen would just put him in an illusion or flat out kill Sukuna by being close to him, plus, Aizen is legit immortal, the hoguyoku is I believe indestructible and it's completely bonded to his entire being, meaning sealing is the only way you're beating Aizen, and idk I've never watched JJK but I don't think they have any type of seal in the show that would be remotely strong enough to seal Aizen.

[@otitoekwueme4271]

ngl this is disrepecting my goat ichigo, lowering him down these mere mortals. tho Gojo COULD use DE on ichigo cause for all intents and purposes, hes still human but thats a pretty big IF

[@flyer38]

my friend said that ichigo loses against sukuna bc of his domain

[@animezparadisez69]

@@flyer38 Best thing I can say is good luck to Sukuna cuz that Domain isn't gonna hurt him at all.

[@jeremiahkisimba5938]

Gojo is not strong and he is extreme overrated by the fanboys

[@user-lu6yz7rq3j]

Please can you do a super man vs video please don't be angry

[@animezparadisez69]

@@user-lu6yz7rq3j My next video is planned but sure ik what Superman video to do next

[@user-lu6yz7rq3j]

@@animezparadisez69 thanks

[@blackoolaid381]

I don't think Ichigo's speed would actually be able to break infinity since you would need infinite speed like Pucci or Lille Barro. HOWEVER, since we had Gillian Menos that were able to rip the space between Hueco Mundo and Earth, and a non-shikai Ichigo was able to defeat it, he would also probably upscale from it. We also have Ichigo destroying Quilge's "The Jail" which is also another feat that would help against Gojo's infinity.

[@animezparadisez69]

@@blackoolaid381 But you don't need infinite speed I explained in the video and even showed Gege's explanation where it explains infinity is just a finite space Gojo controls around him to slow things down. In the manga Gojo also explains that he needs to be able to perceive the movements when using infinity. That and using the theories he gave its not actually infinite space.

[@blackoolaid381]

@@animezparadisez69 damn my bad, didnt notice, i was eating so attention was probably diverted

[@animezparadisez69]

@@blackoolaid381 Oh is np! Gojo's abilities were explained in a weird way so it's understandable. It doesn't help that the translation for Gege's statement is in Japanese either unfortunately.

[@3azy0nS3t]

My guy, we are not counting the jail. The only reason why ichigo was able to get out of it was because it doesn't affect quincy, and ichigo is part quincy. Juha literally stated this in their first encounter

[@roywempor8395]

Ichigo has infinite speed

[@DrunkenSoulReaper]

Gin literally admitted to lying about his speed ….. not only that he did a multiplyer after the 500mach statement that even mask ichigo couldn’t keep up with meaning minimum 5000 times Mach minimum …… which it’s even more if you actually paid attention…. But other than that good video

[@animezparadisez69]

@@DrunkenSoulReaper Ok by his own words it slower. If you want to use that and ignore the Mask Data books then good job you just hurt Bleach. If you actually read Bleach you'd know that. Thanks for the algorithm boost anyways.

[@DrunkenSoulReaper]

@@animezparadisez69 that’s just straight up false …… the 500 Mach couldn’t catch ichigo ….. gin multiplies it to a point bankai can’t keep up…. Ichigo goes mask ,,,, fights …. Gin amps the speed again , and Ichigo in mask form can’t react when his bankai form originally could ,,,,, his mask even gets knocked off his face ……. Proving that 500mach was multiplied at least a mask multiplyer 🤡

[@animezparadisez69]

@@DrunkenSoulReaper Ok I guess you're more reliable than both Gin and Kubo you get a cookie lil bro. Can you even prove what you're claiming btw? Because I can. Send evidence he kept multiplying the speed. And stop sending a face reveal I didn't ask for it. We can also debate it drop your tag.

[@DrunkenSoulReaper]

@@animezparadisez69 once again kubo never said shit about it stop mentioning that and gin admitted to lying even ichigo knew he was luing

[@animezparadisez69]

@@DrunkenSoulReaper Kubo wrote the manga are you slow or something? And yes Gin admitted it was slower. Imagine not actually reading the series you dick ride. And no Ichigo clearly didn't know he was lying. Again actually touch Bleach rather than no lifing Bleach videos on KZbin.

[@keanswanepoel7073]

The Speed part is wrong I don't disagree with what you say mainly but Infinity can't be just speed trough like nothing the whole point of it is that it's an infinite distance Ichigo can't move an Infinite distance the whole point of Infinity is that it's infinite the only reason things like Domain Expansion is able to bypass it is bc the sure hit attack does not come into existence until it hits you hence the Sure hit effect does Ichigo win yes can he bypass Infinity with his pure speed no can his spiritual pressure crush them yes the reason why Infinity is broken is bc there is not a lot that can bypass it but it can be bypassed just not easily

[@keanswanepoel7073]

And if you are doing Verses Battles then you'll have to take into account of Equalization witch means Gojo won't just be able to be Crushed by Spiritual Pressure witch means Ichigo can't bypass infinity and for some info for people that want to know or understand better Verse Equalization only affects the 2 anime's that are going at each other so Reiatsu and Cursed Energy would Equal out each other meaning Crushing Gojo would not just work

[@vagabond1845]

the power scaling and feats in Bleach way to over powered for JJK characters they could be how broken they dont match up in raw stats. then add in powers it gets worse

[@keanswanepoel7073]

@@vagabond1845 Stats doesn't matter if you can't touch your enemy if you don't use Verse Equalization then Ichigo wins but with Verse Equalization Gojo could out last Ichigo and Wear him down until his slow enough for gojo to use domain and then it's over

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

​@keanswanepoel7073 bud, without verse equalization Gojo is more blind than a naked mole rat if he's trying to find Ichigo since, you know, _actual ghost with sword_ And even without verse equalization Gojo still gets ereased by Ichigo's presence because of his Reiatsu since it's _soul_ based, not cursed energy. So even Maki or Toji gets deleted even if they have 0 cursed energy

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

​@@keanswanepoel7073also literally the only characters can that can even find Ichigo is Maki or Toji due to their heightened perception. And no, Gojo with Six Eyes wouldn't be able to find Ichigo because 0 CE HR users are stated to have sense so sharp and practically have a 6th sense that not even Six Eyes have. Also the fact that Six Eyes turns your brain into a computer in over-simplifications, not actual god-like powers with those eyes (Sharingan but worse, better for thinking, and no bonus powers)

[@sooskes1525]

ichigo is 6d mid ball not 5d

[@animezparadisez69]

@@sooskes1525 Low multiversal at best but ok

[@XURSC]

reviewer accent

[@animezparadisez69]

@@XURSC Is my accent bad be honest 😭

[@XURSC]

@@animezparadisez69 nah it's not that bad bro but you might have a tad bit of nerd in ya voice 😭

[@RudyyFr]

Ichigo aint the strongest shinigami

[@animezparadisez69]

@@RudyyFr Name a single Shinigami stronger than him.

[@RudyyFr]

@@animezparadisez69 aizen, not physically but he does oneshot

[@alo3194]

Ichigo clapped aizen for a lil bit

[@animezparadisez69]

@@RudyyFr Aizen isn't considered a Shinigami as he's transcended them remember. Now he's beyond that of Shinigami.

[@shotmaking]

@@animezparadisez69 kenny