Why is Bremen, Germany missing a tram line?

[@TFTSB]

Fun fact: if you look at one of the signs in the video, you'll see a reference to a "tram 14". This is just a temporary service during construction, as current construction has split a couple routes in two, and it's not a *real* Bremen tram route per se

[@mikaoleander]

i wish they'd keep it after the bridge re-opens! imo the left side of the weser really needs a tram line that doesn't cross the river, since otherwise it's a pain to get from the line 1/8 area to the regions served by line 4/6. the only options ate to almost cross the river and change at wilhelm-kaisen-brücke or to take the awful and always delayed line 26/27 buses

[@Traubenjaeger]

Im from Bremen, I lived there for 23 years. I’m VERY patriotic and of course I know Bremen is the most beautiful city ON THIS PLANET! And now an english speaking tram expert I stumbled across on Reddit is telling me A BUNCH of stuff I didn’t know. Gosh, the internet is beautiful sometimes! 🙏❤️ Merry Christmas!🎄 Ps: TRAM6 love!!! ❤️

[@TFTSB]

Thank you so much for the kind words and love! Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!

[@TramHB]

One of the reasons why the Bremen underground plans were not realised was that those responsible were afraid of the historic buildings in the city centre because of the need to build a tunnel. Incidentally, the elevated railway lines to Huchting, Arsten and Osterholz had already been designed for later U-Bahn operation.

[@TFTSB]

Yup! I read about that

[@fanOfMinecraft-UAs_channel]

Smart idea. My city wanted a metrotram, almost collapsed a building, and decided it's not worth it

[@perenidavid5901]

There is a city from Timisoara Romania that is still running old Bremen trams but in a few years the trams will be retired to the tram museum do to being very hard to find replacement parts. The citizens of Timisoara thank the people from Bremen for the beautiful trams that helped revitalize the public transport network of Timisoara in the 90s!

[@TFTSB]

Oh that's way rad!

[@macarau1298]

Oh! Im from Bremen and i dont know that! Merry Christmas! 🎄

[@Repelstreeltje]

I have nothing substantive to say except that I like your video style (so mainly just a comment for the algorithm). It is compelling, good edits and you are a good presenter. Came across your video about Hamburg Hbf by chance (the train station that is also central to my nightmares, even though I rarely pass it and only when I go to Denmark).

[@TFTSB]

Thank you so so much for the kind words - and happy holidays!

[@carljo002]

I think they should've built the Bremen S-Bahn back then. An S-Bahn and a tram is probably the best combination for cities under 1 million

[@ch98hb]

I'm from Bremen, nice video Rablinghausen apparently had the issue that the newer trams became too wide and couldn't fit in the street anymore

[@trwn87]

Did you cover the Hannover Stadtbahn and S-Bahn before? It has many absurdities and neat features: The never-used D-Tunnel, the unique line coloring, the long line 1 from Langenhagen to Sarstedt, the S8 which is easily avoidable by swapping the branches of S3 and S4 (my favorite) and the regional-train-like character of the S-Bahn. ADDENDUM: This is not a complete list!

[@TFTSB]

Not yet, but I have a pair of Hannover videos on my list for someday!

[@nnnkzx]

As someone who recently moved to Hannover, I’d be really excited to see a video about its public transport system! I always enjoy your videos-they’re super informative and fun to watch. Keep up the great work!

[@tomo-tawa-linja]

w h a t o n c e w a s

[@jonistan9268]

There's usually a story behind missing tram line numbers. Zürich has no line 1, which is very noticeable. It was shut down in 1956 and the number was never used again, even though the other routes were changed loads of times and other lines disappeared and then reappeared and even completely new numbers were needed since. Reusing number 1 is being actively avoided to keep it available should the route (or parts of it) ever reopen.

[@mahuhude]

Two main reasons why Bremen didn’t implement those plans: The once important Bremen harbour and shipyard industry declined. And also it‘s car manufacturer Borgward had to close down. Besides that there was a tax reform. Before that a lot of tax went to the workplace state, after the reform a lot went to the place of residence and a lot of employees in Bremen commute into the small state. Bremen once was a quite wealthy state, now it is one of the poorest

[@jyw0000]

Thank fuck Caleb moved the submission date to 1/31 or I’d never get my own submission finished. Nicely done.

[@TFTSB]

@@jyw0000 thank you so much!

[@martinbruhn5274]

Bremen has always been a city state. During the HRE, it was a "free city", meaning, within the powerless HRE it was a de facto independent country, which became also de jure in the time between the disolution of the HRE and the formation of the german Kaiserreich. During the Kaiserreich, the Weimar Republic, the Nazi era and now the post war Germany, it has always been an independent city state. Bremerhaven was I think an addition of the post napoleonic, pre Kaiserreich era. They simply bought he fisher town, that was there and built the city there instead.

[@TFTSB]

Simplification on my end, however the *modern* city state and the American zone and all that is indeed a crucial part

[@martinbruhn5274]

@TFTSB there is a big problem in Germany with a specific type of conspiracy nut, that basically thinks, that everything about Germany is just because the americans have decided so and Geany has not agency, becaus it's just an american colony. And when americans sometimes talk about aspects of post war german history in a very sloppy way, I have noticed, ot tends to be in "well, then us americans made this and that with Germany" or "when we imported our system to Germany". Which is not how things played out in that era and it does feed into the narratives of the conspiracy nuts. What actually happened was, that for the democratic reconstruction of Germany, the allies put the pre nazi elites in charge to create plans, those plans were based on the historic political development up to the point of the nazi takeover, but modified by the lessons learned from that time. The western allies generally speaking let these german democratic elites figure it out amd then gave their approval, or denied it (which especially the americans tried to avoid). I think, that actually a lot of americans don't really understand, that the success of the democratic transformation of Germany was not because they just exported their political system into Germany, but because they did exactly not that. It was because they put their support behind those in Germany who had that vision and enabled Germany to build a german democracy, that actually fit the country. With the americans, french and british merelyplaying the referee. But that narrative of an american created Germany is also used by enemies of democracy in Germany to delegitimise our democracy.

[@florian-249]

I recently learned from rewboss that only a tiny fraction of todays Bremerhaven was Bremerhaven back then. Most of it was a near city/town that much later was added to Bremen.

[@Rono_gammer]

munich S Bahn S5 been gone for, 17 years, after the Einteilung der S7 the S5 got added.

[@cnasna43]

Merry Christmas to all of u guys 🫶🏼

[@TFTSB]

Thank you!

[@cnasna43]

@TFTSB u r welcome

[@trwn87]

Congrats on these socks! 🧦

[@TFTSB]

Thank you!! 😊

[@MassbyTrain]

also the frequencies are really good at every 10 minutes. smaller europeans (especially german) have like a tram every 20 minutes

[@ggiiaaccoommoo]

Something like the high line park in New York City would be nice for that highway close to the central station.

[@TFTSB]

Way agree!

[@martinbruhn5274]

Augsburg is another city, where there should be a tram (line 5), but there isn't. They have built a tunnel section, including a tunnel station below the main station, but while the tunnel and station is almost complete (after many, many years of delay) the line 5 hasn't even been started yet. So, in 1 or 2 years time, there will be a central station tram tunnel station, but no line to serve it. I've never come across a "transit youtube" video covering it and me coming from Baden-Württemberg only get informed about it tangentially. It is also hard to follow what is going on there, because it seems like the city itself doesn't really know it. It is part of the master plan "mobilitätsdrehscheibe Augsburg", but that plan seems to have gone down the toilet and now they're just bumbling through and nobody seems to know what's up.

[@SiqueScarface]

The Line 7 in Bremen thus is the Line 4 of Innsbruck.

[@ch98hb]

Bremen U Bahn apparently also failed due to the sandy soil

[@TFTSB]

Definitely not great for constructing tunnels, I'd imagine

[@cnasna43]

I Love Linie Plus aswell btw

[@InsertGreatChannelName]

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[@TFTSB]

Join the Discord!

[@Clickworker101]

Why so early?

[@TFTSB]

Why not?

[@Clickworker101]

@ Merry Christmas

[@MassbyTrain]

ok i assume your trying to say the city with trams. to say that you say die stadt mit straßebbahnen

[@TFTSB]

@@MassbyTrain no, the city of trams. Die Stadt der Straßenbahnen is correct, I can assure you

[@cnasna43]

The new trams look so big ass ugly

[@mikaoleander]

hard disagree, i don't know why they're getting so much hate. to me they look super elegant. i loooove the look of the historic trams of course, but i think sleek and modern can also look great imo! (i absolutely do not mean to start a fight, it's all a matter of taste of course! i just personally don't understand what in particular people find ugly about them

[@cnasna43]

@mikaoleander they are huuuuge like unnecessarily huge and people in Bremen dislike it as far as I know.

[@ft4709]

⁠@cnasna43 Nothing unnecessary about that. In fact, Bremen was incredibly forward thinking and whenever there was a construction site they moved the tracks further apart. This allowed them to now run 2.65 m wide trams as opposed to 2.30 m previously, therefore massively increasing capacity without any additional cost. Moving people is the primary function of a tram, and these new ones do a much better job at it than their predecessors.

[@cnasna43]

@ft4709 I wanted to say that they look unnecessary huge and I was talkin about the height actually. Sorry for not beeing more precise. Going from 2,3 to 2,65 is btw an good Idea especially for inclusivity but that wasn't my point tho, I just think they are ugly.

[@ft4709]

@cnasna43 I guess they're slightly taller than their predecessors. Personally, I think that actually makes them more elegantly looking as it hides their enormous width but I see where you're coming from.

[@juanfran579]

Bremmen sounds weird and so wrong to my ears. Ir's actually pronounced Bre: men.

[@TFTSB]

Bro, man

[@mikaoleander]

no, it's actually actually pronounced bre:m or bre:m:, the -en suffix is always reduced in northern germany!