Why is Childe So Much Better than Ayato in International Team?

[@wickedvite1142]

Childe literal one man army, by which i mean he can kill an army but struggle in 1v1

[@lihavalokki5705]

I wish there was an abyss floor with the 50 enemy spawns at once. Damn it would be satisfying.

[@crispr1349]

​@@lihavalokki5705moblie and old gen consoles would die

[@Onion_wavy]

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[@PenguinsAreColdish]

surely internat can’t one rotate every boss

[@AsterMiracle.]

​@@crispr1349skill issue

[@cjward72]

Looks like no more free coffee for me 😔😔

[@milou8434]

*sigh* the tea here just keeps getting more bitter

[@FreneticPotato]

​@@milou8434bittah*

[@aryune]

Coffee is life! 😀

[@mexicanopdb]

Only group of yappers that would be more annoying is in Wammin restaurant, bec-"CHEAP AND TASTY CHOP SUEY"

[@neilgondra7379]

Bro with 200IQ just calculated a whole sheet for Childe if his electro.

[@MrGshinobi]

id actually love for hoyoverse to release a foul legacy childe that is fully electro

[@veonoev]

Would not surprise me if they eventually release alters like so many other gachas (including their own honkai)

[@PionPionovich]

Cyno moment

[@alfredwhoishe4025]

Hoyo should release Childe Electro version like what they did to Dan Heng's Dan Feng Form with Imaginary element instead of Wind on his 4 star f2p version, different role too from Hunt to Destruction. Make it Childe from Bow to Sword would be nice.

[@elan5614]

polearm might be more accurate for him since that is what he's seen using in both his foul legacy form and during his burst/attacks but yeah it would be really cool if we got an electro polearm childe

[@blankuser987]

i will slam my credit card on the table if they ever release an electro delusion version of childe as a playable character

[@tenderandmoist5011]

Make him lose health everytime he E bc delusion and if he dies he's dead forever RIPBOZO

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

They won't allow delusions to be playable from the looks of things. Even though they will allow god's that don't have visions for some reason but whatever. 🤷

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I'd pull a delusion Diluc or a fatui Scara or a La Signora but the Genshin devs aren't the same as the Honkai devs, Genshin devs ain't about that life.

[@RafidW9]

If there's one team for a character, and that team has been op af for the whole duration of the game, never really countered.... Then I don't think that character lost any value.

[@nyxnsu]

I believe that his value lies more in the fact that while his team is still very strong, we have also gotten a lot more options to utilize since then. So the chances of you wanting to play international versus other team comps (that likely have units that work in multiple different teams versus just one) is lowered. Like a lot of Childe’s initial value came from the fact that he freed up Xingqiu for your other team. Well we now have Kokomi, Ayato, and especially Yelan who can serve a similar purpose of freeing up Xingqiu. They may not be the best for International like Childe, but they also have more team comps they can more easily slot into.

[@ReallytallRosa]

⁠​⁠@@nyxnsuThing is there’s two different types of investment and even if now Childes Horizontal investment isn’t as good his vertical value is arguably one of the best period due to the power of international. Having so many hydro characters becomes redundant if u can just invest into 2 and get more value from those than u would a character with more comps of lesser value. I own all hydros and I go to Childe xq/yelan for mostly everything w kokomi situationally

[@Med1umentor]

Hard disagree. The more competition character have - the less "value" it have as a character. National is indeed op, but it's bennet+xiangling is op and irreplacable there, not a tartaglia. And national has TONS of alternatives to put as a driver/enabler there. As zajef said, childe comp is harder to play, so he isn't as popular as other options. Instead of strictly controlling his E cooldowns and stamina, many people would just put, for example, raiden there and autoclicked the opponent to the death with unlimited poise as a bonus.

[@DanielSantos-ym8vd]

The thing is the other 5 star hydro characters work way better in multiple teams while by no means is Childe weak he's not the most flexible unit.

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

​@@nyxnsuI think being a BiS in the most versatile and broken team in game (Childe) has more value than being a versatile character who fits many good teams but never the BiS(Ayato). At the end of the day you can only play the versatile character in one team in the abyss not in multiple teams, and considering International never gets countered Childe's own versatility is rarely a problem in abyss, he has always been consistent. Of course if you want to have fun using many different comps Ayato might be a better choice for you but looking from a meta point of view Childe is the character who has more pull value.

[@workinprogress8978]

I thought this was obvious. Ayato's hydro application has regular ICD. Childe's does not and/or his attack speed is off the charts.

[@lostblueboy]

.....childes hydro app also has icd....it just happens that he has riptide and his combos make it so that his hydro app is more than enough for international. Does not mean he suddenly does not have icd, ayato has icd but his fast hits makes him also a good driver. Everyone has icd....except xiangling, but their way of getting around it is what makes them good or bad.

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

​@@lostblueboydoes Riptide also have ICD?

[@lostblueboy]

@@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur yes, everything has icd, but his riptide has independent icd so its much better and increases his hydro app since it is woven in with normal attacks and CA and burst. But the point is that childe has icd, just like ayato. Its just that his riptide and his icd in general and the quadratic scaling with multiple enemies makes him uniquely amazing for international.

[@chichen_nuggest]

Childe has ICD he just has like 10 billion sources of hydro app in his kit so it ends up not mattering lol

[@workinprogress8978]

@@chichen_nuggest I did say and/or. Functionally, even though he has ICD, he really doesn't considering how many times he is hitting things with various sources of hydro between his normal attacks and riptide

[@ooo1o8o1]

Reason to get childe: riptide and nuke That's the reason i have been using childe since release and still find him unique and fun despite having others amazing hydro units Riptide is kind of the same with beidou counter attack, something special about their kit that makes them irreplaceable and fun

[@phatamorgannah9626]

looks like no more free coffe for me

[@camap9235]

i find Childe alot easier than Ayato when come to Double Swirling,it a pain in the ass to double swirl with Ayato using Kazuha

[@ajseerean3333]

Ayato and Xingqiu share that same problem when it comes to Kazuha. Double swirling is a chore due to how they apply their Hydro.

[@almightynoob1631]

​@@ajseerean3333xingqiu applies two units tho. It's easy with him. Ayato is the real pain

[@twag0850]

I don’t even bother with double swirling tbh, the team is just that strong

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

​@@ajseerean3333tf? It's so easy to double swirl with Xingqui lmao

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

@@ajseerean3333 xingqiu burst , benny burst + NA , kazuha hold E that's already a double swirl

[@Stilllife04]

thanks for the delusion childe pre-release

[@shadowsniper1379]

*Sigh* Looks like no more free coffee for me This coffee smells as good as ever, but where are those who share the free coffee for me

[@feelshowdy]

Venti and Zhongli in Fontaine:

[@guyschill2059]

The problem with me is I suck and I can't clear 9 star without xl so having a character that is the BiS for that team is more valuable than having a more versatile character, because I like seeing stars

[@guyschill2059]

Intergrassional feels more frontloaded but I just die

[@x3m9x]

Dendro cores do be friendly firing

[@yoiko89]

Riptide is the most satisfying

[@moneebabu1882]

No more free coffee for him 😢

[@kx2174]

Electro Childe would be cool.

[@toonhub3216]

can't believe he didn't calc TF since it would basically mean 100% uptime of melee stance #notmystrimmer

[@loremipsum-tk2pu]

Does TF even work with his kit? afaik TF only reduces cooldown as long as a cooldown is active. But Childe's CD only starts when he exits his melee stance. Correct me if I'm wrong tho.

[@mr-cocotier6366]

​@@loremipsum-tk2puwouldn't it work the same way fishl E work with tf ?

[@loremipsum-tk2pu]

@@mr-cocotier6366 that is what i'm asking. the length of the cooldown depends on how long you stay in his E and CD only starts after you exit his E. Would TF reduce a cooldown that has not yet started?

[@soumitroy3437]

@@loremipsum-tk2pu I guess not . Fish cooldown start after you use your e, not after oz disappear.

[@74z9]

​@@soumitroy3437you need to have cooldown timer to show up in his E , thats why 4pc gambler set or sac bow doesn't work on Childe nor dies TF, mihoyo knows that we will have lite c6 chde by using either of those three so they made them didn't work on him 😂

[@ВладиславБериславский]

Damn, just give that man his free coffe

[@BlackTheDog]

electro childe is what cyno should've have been!! locking his attacks to his burst really hurts him imo

[@hayond656]

If he had a source of Energy that's good enough to supply his burst then I don't see the problem with it being burst only

[@Rayhaku808]

Looks like no more free coffee for me

[@rafikovtagir]

Looks like no free osmantis wine for me...

[@guyschill2059]

Everywhere I go I see this team 😢

[@arondyte318]

I’ve honestly been using Childe in a Nilou bloom team for a few months now (Childe/Nilou/Baizhu/Nahida) and it definitely feels alot better to play than any of the Kokomi variants largely because the party isn’t really burst dependent. Add to that Baizhu makes the entire team pretty much immortal without taking too much field time unlike Kokomi or Yaoyao so the rotations are alot smoother. You can go ungga bungga without even looking at your HP bars even once.

[@Umayrica]

*sigh* looks like no more free coffee for me...

[@calamity4551]

Tbh I value a lot more Ayatos versatility than having xl vape every hit screw xl

[@blaze8308]

Agreed. As long as the enemies die they die.

[@crazyformyself7296]

Childe my beloved

[@d_26_mohitkhapekar32]

Childe International has been out for god knows how many patches. It's a bit practice oriented, but the outcome is worth it. It's still viable & I fully cleared multiple Abyss with it. . and Childe is a very fun character to play even at C0(mine's C0 too). Almost all accounts has Kazuha coz how broken he is. Bennett is also low investment and broken support that everyone has. Xiangling is free and just needs emblems + ER. . . Overall Not really high investment, but high output team.

[@tsyganko]

So what I am hearing is that, since he’d be balanced and not broken, that there’s a chance???

[@soumitroy3437]

I mean he will be good or balanced for sure with fish

[@pashugamez]

if they make foul legacy i doubt he'd have the same kit, that'd be extremely lazy design

[@s.n.f223]

we want zajef's setup tour :(

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Isn't that like redeemable?

[@priyanshu.x03]

looks like no free coffee for me ........................................................... :#

[@phoenixlau]

Childe gigachad rizzing up Yoimiya in his free time Ayato incel sausagefest playing Magic the Gathering with his boy noodle arms Itto

[@FreneticPotato]

I read that as *incest* and I became concerned for a bit.

[@fredgopher1956]

Chadle

[@restart6358]

So rizzing up some girl is gigachad now?😂

[@finnthedog5321]

He'll bring that Jap girl to Russia to meet his family.

[@lordsuslik]

I've been lied to. This isn't daily

[@yoiko89]

I can't wait for Childe (Delusion Version / Electro) basically like Dan Heng in Honkai Star Rail.

[@brook1178]

looks like no more free coffee for me😥

[@razirazraz2626]

because childe is best at being enabler while ayato is optimal in hypercarry role, but yeah that's his best team comp with xiangling, bennett and kazuha, i guess ayato advantage is not dependent on these meta support (circle impact)

[@nightday2030]

Ayato is basically Childe with simplified, less punishing and easier AoE hydro application in exchange for being less rewarding as well. It's an equivalent exchange

[@usmanya5110]

Ayato is also probably more of a not burst reliant enabler/dps someone like Al than a true hypercarry like Xiao, Itto or maybe someone burst reliant like Cyno.

[@MrGshinobi]

something really underrated about ayato is his versatility, he can work in many many teams, there's hyperbloom, vape, freeze, nilou bloom, taser, hypercarry, etc all with multiple variations (aka; he's not tied to one specific unit) and he can also do off-field very well. in comparison childe only has one team, and it's a really good and fun one, but the lack of team versatility is there.

[@mmmkay2457]

They both can be run in the same teams. One of them is better at some than the other.

[@MrGshinobi]

@@mmmkay2457 Childe having no off-field definitely makes him worse in some teams where ayato would be better

[@Ivy-jq6di]

@@MrGshinobi Ayato's off-field has as much utility as Ganyu's aka barely any. If you need off-field hydro, Kokomi with TTDS + ToM has more value or just use XQ/Yelan

[@omarbirkdar5536]

@@Ivy-jq6di ayato has better aoe and damage and some units may not benefit from atk, also ayatos off field presence isnt meant to be purely off field, he still goes on field but the burst gives him off field presence, so in teams where you dont need healing and/or dont care much about the atk buffs kokomi can give, ayato is better. also i think you are underestimating ganyus burst

[@ooo1o8o1]

To be honest they are both good, it's matter of who you enjoy playing Ayato is more simple and casual friendly fast attack, on field and of field Childe have riptide and can nuke with CD freedom It's hard to compare them because they have different concept It's like comparing vanilla and chocolate ice cream, they are both ice cream but they have different flavor

[@RuneKatashima]

I have a feeling the fact we're holding Childe's vision is a death flag bait and we're going to get his Delusion form. I wouldn't even be mad if it simply had the same kit, but electro. But maybe I'd rather they sold it differently, like a skin. Childe does have a use outside of international because the game is more about events than Spiral Abyss. Any time you have aoe content in terms of being able to tightly pack enemies Childe is #1. And then Venti doing Burning or "Air Fryer" as one might say. If you want to Freeze Venti+Ayato+Shenhe+Ganyu is also great. But yeah I always get that dopamine when I can get Childe to simultaneously hit 3+ targets with his attacks. Oh, and any content that has an enemy with a permanent pyro auro lol. Xingqiu is also good for that obviously but Childe is something of a force multiplier for that since he also applies massive amounts of hydro. We do have content like that with Pyro Hypostasis and the Abyss lectors. His Tazer isn't awful either. There may be a future world where we need to drown a Dendro aura as well too that he'd be good in.

[@bearerofthecurse69]

Nah, Pulcinella’s gotta betray him and his family somehow before he dies, I think.

[@finnthedog5321]

I just need a pyro Shinobu for him pls. and a Waifu pyro at the same time. lol

[@ShinySwalot]

Me, finally ready to get Childe, only to hear everyone down talk his usability lol I'll probably still be using Al Haitham Spread and Raiden Double Hydro a lot tho lol

[@otobakashvili705]

if you have kazuha xiangling and benny just get him

[@destructo3457]

Bro just get him he's part of the best team in the game for a reason, although he's kinda meh on other teams

[@jashinpantoja763]

If you already can clear abyss in every rotation there is no need to lock yourself into thinking that building and playing two teams is a must. If you like childe you can just pull for him, build a new team and enjoy different characters and playstyles if that is your thing

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

He did say that stands for all the characters in game, as more good units release, lesser reason to use a definite unit, but he is still a good unit in a bunch of good units.

[@ozone8839]

The only problem with Childe is he has one good type of team that he truly excels in. His rotation without C6 can put some people off as they don’t want to micromanage his E cooldown time which is understandable. Mostly just up to whether you like his play style at this point. International teams used to be the only good meta teams at the beginning of Genshin but with the rise of hyperbloom etc you really don’t have to lock yourself into international. Heck you can beat abyss 12 very easily with mono geo so I wouldn’t worry about getting Childe unless you like his design and play style.

[@spooneroni3194]

Looks like no more free coffee for me 😢 Coffee is life 😁 the tea here just keeps getting more bittuh 😔

[@crimson2799]

pls give him his free coffee

[@stevieveringus3857]

I am going to run International for the first time in my account... looking for your video on rotation!

[@felixstep2066]

Surely Arlechino will make Childe better right?... Right? D: But honestly, I have a lot of fun with international, and I think that is such a great team that makes me never regret pulling for Childe.

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

Lol, he's great as he is.

[@jcp5302]

@@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur I don’t think OP was saying it as in he’s not good. I think they meant it as hopefully Arlecchino will give him more team options making him more flexible because let’s be honest, he only has 1 good(albeit amazing) team. In literally every other team that requires hydro application, Xingqui is just better since he’s an off fielder and Ayato would just be the better option for an on fielder.

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

@@jcp5302 then again. To make her work better with Childe then any other other would basically mean she would have to be a second Xiangling which isn't really much diversity either way lol

[@jcp5302]

@@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur Yeah but they can dream 😭

[@jcceno4273]

make arlecchino have melee and range mode do it yoho

[@dendenmushi9714]

Childe is better mainly because he can overtake Xiangling-Kazuha application with just skill while Ayato needs his whole kit to be able to do so making him less comfortable as a Vape enabler. In teams where Childe himself can't overtake the application like Burgeon Xiangling, he too feels very bad to play. Also his burst is left untouched which can be use as wave cleaner with Vape while Ayato doesn't have anything of the sort. Finally for better or worse, he's a bow user meaning situation that cucks other team like Drake he can get away with it. As well as start rotation from afar too. Delusion Childe depending on how his skill cd will work can end up be a better Keqing. Superior damage and AoE. He applies more electro, I think for more Fischl damage too. Overall, he probably will be worse than Hydro Childe at low cons by not having no frontload. That aggravate burst nuke is not doing any of the damage of the Vape version. But he will be more versatile instead of being tied to Xiangling-Bennett-Kazuha/Sucrose, he could have Fischl/Beidou/Yae-Nahida/YaoYao/Kirara/Baizhu-Kazua/Sucrose. At higher cons Yae and Nahida will carry him as only C2 Kazuha is a huge upgrade for Inter Childe but so it is for Aggra, Still I really dunno if his skill mechanic will allow him to play a more sustain reaction, it's unlikely to one rotate in comparison to inter, after all Tazer exist.

[@aquatazer]

Childe’s one of those characters I always wanted to pull, but never did. Can’t say I missed out but all those numbers does seem extremely satisfying.

[@kateliza8922]

As a skilled issue player, My c1 Kok is my best option 💀 If i still can clear in time with a less dmg character in exchange for immaculate comfort, then why not? The only problem with that is my Childe’s collecting the dust rn, rip.

[@mickysaif]

childe is so satisfying to play you should give him another chance by learning to play international, it's not that hard if you get used to it

[@kateliza8922]

@@mickysaif i just dropped him this afternoon after trying kok national. I know he's fun to play. But after 2 years of Childe international, it'd get boring man.

[@chubbyman2564]

​​​@@kateliza8922 i find this funny actually, that you say its getting boring to play childe yet you replace him with kokomi... you know... the only character to make it even more boring 😅, but nothing wrong with that tho imo comfort > clear time

[@aaykat6078]

​@@chubbyman2564 kokomi doesn't make it more boring, she is more fun

[@jcceno4273]

@@aaykat6078 do u even use kok on field in kok national/ sukokmi

[@IDKbruh420]

When is he gonna do neuvillete pre release video ?

[@masrgym8355]

dude literally made like 4 videos talking about neuvillette. if he uploaded the 5th, he's nothing but a simp.

[@IDKbruh420]

@@masrgym8355 he haven't even made 1 yet on his own channel, this is a fan's channel. And those are just small talk, his pre release videos are long and he covers everything about the character

[@mickysaif]

pre release will usually come before a week of next patch

[@greenvega]

I don't think its worth to do it right now cuz its still a lot of time for hoyo to change his numbers

[@Saiakamal]

Hoyo might change things this Monday so it’s better to wait

[@flinthart]

Guys I think he won't get any more free coffee

[@XLinkiboy]

What if childe had his current kit, but would apply hydro+electro for his foul legacy form. For overvape xiangling

[@74z9]

itd be same as raiden National but worse

[@XLinkiboy]

@@74z9 why wouldn't it be better though? Sounds like rational+ kazuha to me

[@Konomidebanshouwashikisesur]

​@@74z9it would literally be better lol

[@x3m9x]

​@@XLinkiboyit increases dps to heavy enemies but lowers dps by a margin against light enemies since childe cant apply hydro to them. I like childe as he is rn because of the felxibility of the team

[@XLinkiboy]

@@x3m9x that's fair. It's just that there were many regional enjoyers and this would just be better rational

[@amiapsychopat]

guys i need advice: i have guaranteed, should i pull for zhongli, who would fit in perfectly in my favorite team, or for childe, whom i don't need but I'm a massive simp for him since forever (i also have his signature weapon) should I pick husbando or meta?

[@basara2102]

Depends on your priorities, but I always say play your favorites so go for Childe. Zhongli has the best shield, but there are plenty of other shielder options you can use until his rerun.

[@anthonythedubstepgamer]

Always husbando over meta however it depends how much you need Zhongli’s shield. If you’re struggling really badly in your teams then Zhongli to complete some teams with that but if you’re not that reliant and willing to learn complicated combos then Childe

[@saovisal2781]

Just play for who you like. Zhongli would add much to your account also Childe is good in international if you’re struggling

[@Siecyl]

You shouldn't ask randos and ultimately decide yourself. If you already clear abyss fine go for whatever you like. If you don't complete abyss fine go for what you need. If you don't complete abyss fine but don't really care about it go for whatever you like. In the end it's a game, go for whatever you think will give you the most fun

[@lilab27]

i would go for husbando unless you are failing to meet your abyss goals

[@JunCayomo]

was farming golden troupe but ended up getting a 2 46% cv marechussy pieces and was thinking of playing childe been playing quick swap teams always so childe should still be fun

[@Kindi001]

Legend Says the DDude still waiting for his Free Coffe

[@alexegoleanu942]

My TF set is still waiting for delusion Tartaglia

[@wideozludrawz]

ah yes the twitch exclusive az on youtube classic

[@shenhe_best_girl5351]

best intro ever🤣

[@soyeonxxn]

I wonder if neuvillette will be better for international than childe 🤔

[@YungXin]

no lol

[@Sami-hz2bp]

First time ever pulling on weapon banner I had enough for 3 multis but wanted polarstar for him i said why not try my luck, second multi got vortex, third got polarstar :D

[@coochimihn2685]

have been remixing zyoxz face at the beginnning for like 3 minutes

[@Saiakamal]

Nuke dmg might look fun, however I find Ayato to be more fun. I don’t care if his CD doesn’t line up or something, I kill everything regardless 🗿

[@burningnoodles4518]

Copium

[@Saiakamal]

@burningnoodles4518 All my 36 star abyss runs since I got him saying otherwise, but sure anyways...💀

[@burningnoodles4518]

@@Saiakamal abyss is easy lol most of the dps are coming from the supports

[@Saiakamal]

@burningnoodles4518 Then what's the point? If I clear the abyss WHICH BTW is the hardest content by default we like it or not, the supports you mention are the same supports Childe uses. I don't see why it would be "copium", me not finding a character fun to play has nothing to do with "copium" if you don’t mean dmg💀

[@burningnoodles4518]

@@Saiakamal yea same but the dmg comparisson, ayato has issues a lot hahaha. Thats a real copium

[@Sarge-at-Large]

Bgm is way too loud throughout this whole video lmao

[@Maria-.-Kim]

Me using Ayato in blooms team(burgen and hyperbloom) feels much better.(:

[@hriday.b9423]

I was bout to say childe fireworks is better but then I realised its hyperbloom so yea ayato is better at hyper bloom cause off field Hydro application.

[@vht1]

ayato is a specialist in all kind of bloom teams. childe frontloaded application is too much that burgeon/hb trigger detonates all seeds at once. additionally, as zajef says in the video childe isnt good in nilou bloom bc he often wipes out dendro aura

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

​@@vht1If thats the case then a dendro character whose dendro application can keep up with Childe's application will make him very broken in dendro teams and give dendro comps more frontloaded dmg, but knowing hoyo they wont do that

[@hriday.b9423]

@@Yor-Yor-Yor theres always a chance xD

[@vht1]

@@Yor-Yor-Yor bloom. yes. why? its bc seeds dont pop until there are more than 5 of them and after 4s iirc nilou/burgeon/hb. nah. its bc enemies can take at most 2 bloom dmg/0.5s. as a result, the faster u create seeds the greater the number of seeds gets wasted

[@sidharthbommineni7780]

Whats the ost from 6:00 to 6:30?

[@phoenixlau]

Slumbering Lore (from Liyue OST)

[@sidharthbommineni7780]

@@phoenixlau thanks

[@mustafaelhariry4222]

I only watch ur vids cause of ur exile techniques dude i neet u to teach me

[@phongphamthanh5911]

I hope they wont release childe electro version. Or if they does, make it an toggleable evolution at lvl 100 or something like that. I have always hated how character in honkai keep getting repetitive version "battlesuit" of the same character, it make me harder to simp/invest for one particular char because it will all be thrown in trash when a new better version came out

[@Sarge-at-Large]

Isn’t it partially just because Ayato doesn’t move around as much?

[@dott8348]

Is Childe better than Neuvillite?

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

They are characters that work in different teams, as of now Neuvillette looks more comparable to Ayato and is probably better

[@Ivy-jq6di]

In vape, Childe is better. Neuvillette is powercreeping Ayato on release if they don't nerf him

[@usmanya5110]

​@@Ivy-jq6di i have a feeling he might powercreep ayato in taser not sure in dendro teams in dendro teams you want more application and idk if bloom counts for his passive to activate since it has to be him to trigger the reaction. i heard that it's possible he can beat childe international team but only in single target, but the problem is that he probably won't make use of bennett's buffs.

[@jimmp6005]

been playing international chiled since march 2021.. from sucrose to kazuha... The Viridescent Hunt to polar star. it sad that i found childe cannot perform good enough than international

[@geovannilabarca1513]

childe salio en un mal momento para mi, Neuvillete y Wriothesley estan a la vuelta

[@_ddoraemon_]

Childe is my fav unit. thats why he works better.

[@Sskysnake]

What is calcs?

[@igorlealaraujomurtarezende8713]

isnt raiden an electro childe?

[@ginichimaruan3572]

I feel like it's the case, but soon thousands of people will disagree...

[@rsfakqj10rsf-33]

Eh, how so?

[@artificial_exp]

​​@@ginichimaruan3572no quadratic scaling, her E app is also worse than Riptide app

[@Ivy-jq6di]

Nope. She doesn't apply nearly as much electro as Childe applies hydro

[@finnthedog5321]

No. Raiden is strong af on her own unlike Childe.

[@harshmehta329]

How is childe is meh on other teams? He is a hydro Carry with best hydro application so any hydro related reaction shouldn't he be best in slot?

[@phoenixlau]

Fastest on-field hydro application for a certain duration* As many teams don't necessarily want that, preferring off-field and/or consistent application, Childe is not automatically the "best" hydro application in all cases.

[@usmanya5110]

no his app can be really annoying at times. and sometimes there are teams that require a hydro but require a long amount of field time for him.

[@Gol_D_Looks]

Childe can nuke Ayato can't

[@mizuhashitsunoka]

I almost started thinking that theorycrafters have good opinions recently. 3 mins into the video and Zajef restored my distrust in them 😌

[@xenajin6827]

Childe will always be better than midyato

[@NahualUlloa]

OPPA

[@milka6828]

I use xl for 100k+ Ayato vapes, idc 😶

[@Saiakamal]

Same💀

[@calamity4551]

Big brain time

[@uring123]

yeah .. in international only .

[@unholyarthur1]

Ayato is so much better if you can't finish a fight in a single rotation though. Childe got stuck with his cooldown in multiple rotation.

[@qwertysysysyysysysyzz]

Only if you have skill issue

[@unholyarthur1]

@@qwertysysysyysysysyzz I guess I have skill issue for not finishing a fight with single rotation in a 3 waves abyss

[@Prit_XO]

True, childe's CD is a pain in the ass. I accidentally got him at 50/50 but never played him .

[@mangshu21]

​@@unholyarthur1its really not a big deal, just need practice. You make him sound like he is unplayable. Its a you issue

[@unholyarthur1]

Never said he's unplayable. Just saying Ayato is better if more than a single rotation. Childe cooldown is like 5 seconds up after XL and Ben cooldown are ready. Not unplayable, just very annoying to play with.@@mangshu21

[@BreeDragoness]

If Delusion Childe released, do you think they'd make it an alternate form for Childe, or would they make us roll for a new 5-star Childe 🥲

[@RKNancy]

Definitely new 5 star. But they won't though.

[@yoiko89]

Just look the Honkai Star Rail their make new character for Dan heng possible might New Delusion Childe (Electro Version). Hoyoverse already make separate character from named Dan Heng and Dan Heng IL.

[@jmisc]

I found ayato to be better though.

[@sitomagus]

how so ? i have ayato but he applies less hydro so xl can't vaporize consistently

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

Ayato doesnt even have the frontloaded nuke damage

[@burningnoodles4518]

Copium sword unit

[@restart6358]

​@@sitomagus maybe they meant overall since he's more flexible

[@MrGshinobi]

he is

[@imibrahim1521]

Yeah Do Years of Life To Find Perfect Enemies RNG and Crit RNG Then Childe is Good

[@michaelharis9962]

im not gonna say anything 💀

[@calliope-greii]

crit rate issue

[@maroons95]

get more cr roll on artifacts and pull polar star 4Head

[@calliope-greii]

@@maroons95 isnt there a 3 or 4 star cr bow or am i stupid

[@Foxkiin]

​@@calliope-greiislinghot is a 3 star cr bow.

[@hummusdifier]

first

[@baguette_connoisseur]

Childe is so overrated, it's crazy. He is one of the most redundant characters in the game. Fun? Yes. Worth the primos? NO.

[@llaflik]

Yea Barbara is underrated

[@cristianavideira2545]

I agree he's not a must pull unit, but at LEAST he has one team he's BiS in, unlike Ayato who's second best in every possible team comp

[@venkat5446]

@@cristianavideira2545 soon hes gonna be 3rd/4th best in every team since neuvillete is releasing

[@cristianavideira2545]

@@venkat5446 that seems to be the case, yeah. Childe is an enabler so he will always be Xiangling's best buddy but Ayato is a dps, and one that requires a LOT of vertical investment, so Neuvillette will powercreep him to hell and back with his hp scalling and higher multipliers

[@Med1umentor]

@@cristianavideira2545 but you can also call it his main selling point - he is universal. You can put him anywhere and he can perform. Childe is a big "no no" on that. BiS place is important, but mostly only matters for min-maxers. Others like to play different team compositions, so ayato might be a better choice.

[@annabloom7994]

Looks like no more free coffee for me 😔😔

[@RafidW9]

If there's one team for a character, and that team has been op af for the whole duration of the game, never really countered.... Then I don't think that character lost any value.

[@nathanaelpierre9439]

It loses value in the sense that the specific team it is strongest in is loses its favor for account strength/progression. It's similar to how pyro as an element lost value due to dendro despite having some of the strongest teams/characters focused on its element. Right now the only competitive Childe team is International. Compared to someone like Alhaitham who has spread teams, aggravate teams, hyperbloom/quickbloom teams which are all quite strong in the meta, and it becomes more obvious how a character like Childe lost value. For instance, why does a character like Bennet or Kazuha not lose value despite there being more characters/teams that aren't dependent on them?

[@Ben-vg6ox]

The argument is that now there's other things on the same level as the team so you don't need them team anymore strictly speaking In the past xiangling was like the best dps in the game hands down but nowadays there's so many teams that you don't need a xiangling team

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

​@@nathanaelpierre9439what is Alhaitham aggravate team even, you either play him in spread or quickbloom .... Aggravate is with an electro dps not dendro dps

[@nathanaelpierre9439]

@@Yor-Yor-Yor I obviously meant to say quicken teams, as in teams with both an aggravate and spread dps. Tighnari Yae Miko teams are an example of this. No idea why you are being pedantic.

[@Yor-Yor-Yor]

@@nathanaelpierre9439 quicken has two variations. Electro+ dendro is quicken, dendro on quicken is spread, electro on quicken is aggravate, Alhaitham's team isnt aggravate since he applies a lot of dendro by staying on field. Aggravate is something like on field Keqing

[@LilSue]

Looks like no more free coffee for me 😞

[@RafidW9]

If there's one team for a character, and that team has been op af for the whole duration of the game, never really countered.... Then I don't think that character lost any value.

[@rsfakqj10rsf-33]

Not entirely true because there have been other characters since then that can also synergize with the other three units of the team.

[@ohongphong9235]

Well International can pretty much clear almost any kind of content the game throws at you, I won't say it lost value that much. It's just that other teams will perform better at every other Abyss Rotations, like let's say we have Cryo Abyss Heralds, suddenly Bloom related teams lost value but ya boi Childe and his team can still clear it just fine.