Why Is Most Christian Music So BAD? | The Catholic Talk Show

In this episode of The Catholic Talk Show, the guys talk about why most Christian music is terrible and what makes actually Christian music good.
Episode 203:
In this episode, we will discuss:
• The WORST things about Christian Music
• Should Catholics go to "Non-Denominational" concerts
• What Christian music do we like?
• and much more
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[@JustinRHibbard]

I was an evangelical worship pastor who recently converted to Catholicism. What you said about the lack of substance of the Eucharist to guide the music is spot on. There is no sacramental worldview in evangelical churches but there’s a craving for it, and so the music becomes this thing that attempts to bring this transcendental climax instead of the body and blood of Jesus.

[@simonslater9024]

I nearly gave you a thumbs down but then realised you did what I did for over 30 year’s calling the Baptist Cult a church without batting an eyelid because it’s so ingrained in us! You said incorrectly of course evangelical churches which actually don’t exist! Remember there’s ONLY ONE Church the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by God himself two thousand year’s ago! The orthodox became cults when they broke with Rome in 1054AD,plus they reject the Filioque! The Baptist Cult was founded by Joseph Smythe 400 year’s ago! Protestant’s belong to 40,000+ man made CULTS which are Pagan and anti Christ. Anti Christ because they reject the holy Catholic Church which is Jesus Christ on earth his mystical body. Pagan because they put their own false interpretation on sacred scripture which is blasphemous and they reject the infallible magisterium of the holy Catholic Church on their own fallible authority! Please watch the warning or illumination of conscience by Christine Watkins. Then Following Padre Pio. Then The Papacy can NOT be destroyed. Then Don’t call protestant’s Christian. Please listen to these holy priest’s Fr’s Ripperger,Mark Goring,Bill Casey, Jim Blount, Donald Calloway,Mike Schmitz, and Chris Alar. (Our Lady of Good Success. Also Our Lady of La Sallette). God bless. Praise Jesus and Mary always!!! Please read True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis de Montfort,who infallibly said there’s NO salvation without devotion to Mary!

[@formerruins]

Welcome to the Church. I myself was confirmed when I was 28 after being involved in music and prayer ministries in non-denominational settings. While singing songs of praise and worship are ingredient to a rich congregational experience of "enthroning Jesus" with our voices, I entirely agree--the way that the reality of Jesus' presence in His Eucharist literally brings an entire room to its knees and summons our full attention and adoration is unmatched. Everything we had been aiming to achieve through our songs was made concrete and mystical all at once when I encountered Jesus' humble presence in the Eucharist.

[@websurfin9575]

The University of Steubenville has that same kind of hideous music in their "youth" conferences. Priests at a Steubenville "youth" conference were break-dancing on stage & were on the floor, spinning on their backs! That blasphemous spirit (in music) has infected the entire Catholic/Christian church-world! Jesus... dragging that heavy cross on His scourged back for all of US! He surely deserves more love & respect than this! It's no laughing matter.

[@kyz8390]

Wow. This is so true brother. Nondenominational background and I’ve seen it. Worship leaders are often aspiring senior pastors, so they almost have to prove their “anointing” by their musicality, and the ability to emotionally manipulate the congregation.

[@alexbernard8907]

@@websurfin9575 it's said there's good and bad from everywhere, I believe one of the good to have come from Steubenville, is the late Dean Martin, I'm not into modern music, especially all that rapping and hip hop stuff, there are some good rock and roll Christian songs from the past, the Danderliers may God be with you, from the fifties, Lee Roy Abernathy with Country Gospel which is better known by Pat Boone's version A Wonderful Time Up There, Scott Black Save My Soul, and others

[@chickenlittlewny1523]

You’ve described the South Park episode where Cartman starts a Christian rock band called Faith Plus One.

[@andtou1342]

Byzantine and Gregorian chants are the best types of Christian music in my opinion.

[@CatholicRenaissanceMan]

Because they’re sacred and not oriented towards selling records or tickets to shows. The motivation behind the creation of sacred music was purely to worship and glorify God.

[@garmisra7841]

Well, yeah, you would say that. The catholics, roman and eastern, are all about tradition.

[@manny75586]

Absolutely. I often put on some St. Hildegard von Bingen songs or older Gregorian/Byzantine chants.

[@kenkessner9594]

When I listen to Gregorian chant, no explanations are necessary.

[@reneelamarca3583]

Name of the Hillsong concert video? I love the duet w/ Matt Maher and Audrey Assad (“Lord, I need you”). Audrey’s harmony 🥰🥰 in that song

[@AussieCatholic]

My 7 year old daughter sings the Spanish lady's part of that song in my home. She doesn't even know Spanish 😂

[@stymiedagain]

I love Matt Maher's music.

[@pibly7784]

Lecrae is Christian rap. Mercy Me, Kutlass, Casting Crowns, For King and Country are my favorites.

[@chasnikisher7006]

Auto tune usage takes what might be good lyrically to a big thumbs down

[@Dostoevskys_Quill]

I love for king and country too ✝️🕊

[@joykwa3416]

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[@peetysister6457]

The Gloria should not sound like a Disney Princess movie theme song, just sayin'. I need chant, Mozart, Palestrina, etc...

[@Daiseehead]

Exactly!

[@empackmanmueller1725]

Zack williams, 12 stones, kutless, casting crowns, Matt Maher who is catholic are some of my favorite.

[@alexandracaro2064]

Yes!!!

[@AaronLorch91]

Phenomenal picks there. I'd have the same list, plus Third Day. Williams has a great testimony/story.

[@empackmanmueller1725]

Yes excited to see Zack williams in concert soon. His story is awesome. Godbless you

[@RedWinter88]

"is this what protestants do?" Took me out 😂

[@jcf150_9]

Well based on my Vietnam flashback to youth group at a non denominational church in 7th grade I can tell you… yes… yes it is.

[@mattalley4330]

Well, more like conservative white evangelicals but yeah…

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

​@Matt Alley The Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches are compromised for the most part. They are more concerned with conforming to the world than defending the faith.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​​​@@mattalley4330 That's a very good point, actually. This is why Pope Francis needs to canonize Augustus Tolton, Julia Greeley, and Pierre Toussaint immediately! Let's get the devotions going, baby! We need miracles! And we should start a cause to beatify Mary Lou Williams as well!

[@kcenzer9633]

Here in Las Vegas radio station SOS not only plays great new Christian music and has terrific Christian DJ's on board....it has great Christian conversations with listeners!

[@alimaloney218]

Lauren Daigle, Jars of Clay, and Rose Cousins are favorites of mine. John Moreland writes a lot about his struggles with faith after growing up Southern Baptist. Jesus Culture can be uplifting, but can sometimes get to be too much for me. The Hound & Fox do sing a lot of beautiful religious music as well as secular… they are a lovely duet. Sounds Like Reign has a lot of great acoustic songs, I love that they do all verses of His Eye Is On The Sparrow. Of course great older mountain gospel music and bluegrass is frequently playing, from Alison Krauss to Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. Love them!!!

[@AaronLorch91]

I really thought highly of Daigle until I saw her live at our local fair and everyone there was surprised at how much of a dumb "Valley girl" bimbo she came off as. She also ripping pretty heavy as anti-religion, and "pro personal faith, anti-organized religion"

[@cshook123]

As a former Protestant and now Catholic for 5 years this brings back bad memories.

[@KbB-kz9qp]

Hank Hill said it best: “Christian rock doesn’t make church music better, it just makes tock and roll worse.” 😂

[@klausbuck7069]

You're supposed to rock on Saturday night and repent on Sunday morning.

[@sallycooper3414]

🤣🤣🤣

[@johnpaulrogalski6521]

Who's Hank Hill anyway?

[@KbB-kz9qp]

A cartoon character 😂

[@hotwax9376]

As a Christian who is a fan of old rock music, this also captures my feelings on this subject perfectly.

[@katherineskrzynecki3347]

For King and Country and Casting Crowns are awesome 👍 groups!!

[@alexandracaro2064]

my favorites!

[@teresa.tells.it.like.it.is.2]

Thank you for your past podcasts. I hope both my sons are subscribers, but they are their own men. ❤️😀

[@jenniferblanco5116]

You can't discuss Christian music without playing DC Talk!

[@hondagirl83mm]

Jesus is still alright with me❤

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

😂, they are trash.

[@esgravois]

I really dislike most contemporary Christian music. I call the contemporary mass at my church the Festival of Bad Music.

[@terryhartman9522]

I never liked Christian music as a genre but I like music with Christian themes. Over 60 and I’m a big fan of Van Morrison who has always included Christian themed songs on his albums. Check out ‘Full Force Gale’, ‘By His Grace’, and ‘Whenever God Shines His Light’ by Van Morrison. Remember Pete Seegers’ song ‘Turn, Turn, Turn’ from the 60s?

[@djnoy842]

I agree! I love songs like "Bridge over Troubled Water"

[@ainako1010]

And what about Good Catholic Music??? Throwing my recommendation of Catholic Lofi KZbin Channel via Matt Fradd

[@elizabethk8938]

I have never enjoyed or liked contemporary Christian music. I can’t explain it but I can’t listen to it. I’m a lifelong Catholic and prefer classic Church music. I can’t stand the new liturgical music in church either. It makes me cringe.

[@rongriffing1439]

I can't stand it either...and I refuse to sing it! It doesn't sound like it belongs in Mass.

[@Sicarius089]

That first one was brilliant 🤣, definitely worthy of a Grammy.

[@TheBlitzgundam]

We need a "Good Christian Rock" episode. Great episode, BTW. :D An example is Red, or Demon Hunter, or a little bit of Breaking Benjamin.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

Demon Hunter is where it's at.

[@garmisra7841]

THose bands are good but they aren't appropriate for corporate worship. Metal is deliberately anti-commercial, harsh, and not designed for mass appeal. I'm still looking for sounds that appeal to me that demonstrates musicianship and some lyrics that are more relevant. We The Kingdom is one band that's come close, although their lyrics need work.

[@brycedietz4396]

I listen to Christian music, Toby Mac, Hillsong, Lauren Daigle, NF, and Rend Collective etc. I mainly listen to it while out delivering, I work for UPS, this way if a kid comes up to the truck I'm not listening to something with swears. I also balst The Catholic talk show, and Catholic stuff you should know. But the music is good and it has helped me grow in my faith. The Hillbilly Thomists and Brother Isiah are amazing as well. Great show!

[@atwistoffaithmusic]

I am a new subscriber and really think this is a great show! Now I need to find the other episode on catholic music that was mentioned.... I have been involved in Music Ministry for about 30 years. The biggest struggle I have had during this time is one of the topics discussed - how to make sure I am just the channel to help bring the congregation closer to Jesus during mass. I pray before mass that I can be that channel and not get caught up in my own "performance". So, I get the discussion about keeping the musicians in back. But, I disagree - it shouldn't matter where the music is coming from, done right, it should not be a distraction but a catalyst in the celebration of the Eucharist.

[@joanfong]

For adoring the Blessed Sacrament, nothing can beat ‘Jesus, My Lord, My God, My All!’ Sung movingly with great fervour!’ Play this at every Communion time until the congregation knows it!

[@manesitaasmr]

I really enjoyed this video! I’m glad I’m not the only that finds most Christian bands/artists cringy. I even felt guilty thinking like that lol. Can you please make a video on more music/songs that you guys do enjoy listening to?

[@stephaniemcconologue3877]

I feel there is a place for the music. I love to listen contemporary Christian music during my day. I love listening to more traditional music at Mass. I would rather have no music than bad music at Mass. I think that some of this contemporary music is great for the younger kids to listen and grow closer to God than the other crap that is out there in secular radio. There is a time and place for it all. And I think that was missing from your show

[@sandraethell1471]

At least they are reaching out for God... if you take the 'making fun of their efforts approach guys...?.

[@sandraethell1471]

Are the swords mentioned in the new testament... mentioned in the song with the man with 3 on his cap, mainly talking about the sword of truth, re St Pauls symbol, rather than a weapon of destruction?

[@sandraethell1471]

Stephanie McC I think we all need to be discerning. Songs in the same style can have very different words/lyrics. Some are anti goodness and others are life enhancing. So I think there is room for many styles of musical expression in our wonderful Catholic/Universal but we need to have integrity regarding the words put to the music/beats. What do you reckon? Failte

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

I would prefer no music in worship.

[@stmrjs]

Amy Grant and Michael W Smith are pretty good. P.O.D are also a Christian band. They rock.

[@dav3has1nk16]

P.o.d. excellent 👌

[@MMSugranyes]

No, I’m sorry but hmmm, no. I think of Jesus, I want and need something peaceful, lyrics and a melody that invites you to think of him. I’m really old fashion with this and John Michael Talbot takes me there.

[@m_ellemarga8815]

I’m a cradle Catholic. *Deep breath* Okay, I’m gonna confess that I like Crowder’s, “Come as you are.” No hate. I like the song.

[@jameydunne3920]

Not a big fan of praise music, but I second the Crowder opinion. The lyrics are good, but what tops it is the music and production quality There is no other praise music that sounds like his. I highly recommend it also.

[@AaronLorch91]

I don't just like that song. I love it. But that's strongly influenced by the fact that I have relatable ties to the lyrics and how I connect to the music. I can even get emotional with some contemporary Christian songs, and that's one of them.

[@mm9424]

I am also a cradle Catholic. Crowder's " Come as you are" truly speaks to me. It is a beautiful and powerful song.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

When you said cradle I thought Cradle of Filth.

[@navvlog5]

Gregorian Chant with beat. Sounds good!

[@jeromevillanueva2207]

Thank you for recommending me RyzBeats. Gregorian and Orthodox Chants with Trap Beats are my new jam lately during work at the night shift.

[@micahunderwood3616]

I know this video was posted a while ago so idk who will see this, but I’m a Christian that’s going to be going to a catholic college because that’s what my scholarship was for…. Anyways I was watching this video because I was curious to see what the Catholic Church thought of Christian worship music. I encourage you guys to keep digging, and listening to Christian music. To go past the old “silly” songs, or the not so good singers that are on KZbin. That last song you guys played you said you like that song because of the history you have with it which is great, and we all have songs that we have a connection to. Some worship songs the artist themselves might not have experienced what their singing about but they might have heard a story from someone they know. (Listen to the song Reason to praise. It’s one of my favorite songs.) Also in the video you talked about how Christians will preset the mood/feeling of the song. I just wanted to let you know that as someone who is on a worship team. None of that is scripted. Whenever someone says something before a song it’s because the holly spirt was moving in them, and put that message in their hearts. It’s not because we want to force anything onto anyone. I hope this doesn’t sound rude. If it does, I’m sorry, It’s not intentional. I just wanted to encourage you to keep listening to modern worship music. Trust me there a big difference.

[@ryananthony4840]

A good musician WILL hypnotize and mesmerize their audience....... music is very powerful.

[@pslobodnik]

In my experience, women (including my lovely wife) like Christian music while men can't stand it. I was at a retreat one time and all the women were on one side of the room gushing over their favorite Christian artist, while all the men were on the other side of the room complaining about how much their wives listed to Christian music.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

I absolutely hate Christian music, it all sounds corny and fake.

[@johnprager662]

A big part of it is money. Major publishers promote pop music that appeals to the lowest common denominator because it makes them great profits. It's not music fit for liturgy, it's for entertainment purposes. Many countries and dioceses print their own hymnals, which would be preferable for the US but the American way is for a private company to make a bunch of money instead. The Catholic Church has an ancient musical tradition, but you'll hear very little of it and any music before the mid-60s because it's public domain and can't be turned for a profit.

[@JohnHalloran]

Musicam Sacram is pretty clear that "no music" is not an option. Even a priest that cannot sing can hold one note for the prayers... And I truly have issues with a choir loft... read the GIRM... the choir are music MINISTERS... they lead the sung prayer. Read "Sing to the Lord" which is a compilation of the various texts concerning music in our Catholic Faith. The choir is not supposed to be "heard." And the organ - which does have its place - was built because individual instrumentalists were not available. Seeing a lot of people playing a number of instruments should not be a distraction. If they are, then that is an issue that the parish should address. At the same time, the choir/cantor are not a show... are they performing? Are they performance.

[@atwistoffaithmusic]

The struggle for Catholic music ministry is that as a musician, it can feel like a performance... but, we have to constantly remind ourselves that we are there as ministers (as you say), I like to think of it as being a channel for the spirit - I believe the music and song to inspire the congregation to sing and participate in the mass... I think the saying is when you sing you pray twice.

[@EJ-gx9hl]

You guys should’ve played misconceptions 3 by lecrae or cry for you. Misconceptions shows his flow and lyricism and cry for you is just a beautiful song.

[@MattKeoughMFK]

Guitar Mass was the order of the day when I was in grade school. The religious sisters put together a mimeographed music book. They took Dylan's "Blowing In The Wind" and copied it exactly except they changed it to " Living In Amen". Even as a little kid I knew something was "off". I think ASCAP/BMI eventually shut that music book down. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@rongriffing1439]

I remember the guitar masses too, when I was young. I didn't like them then and I don't like them now. The "music" that was and still is crammed down our throats at Mass is HORRIBLE and I won't sing it.

[@johnpaulrogalski6521]

Strange comments! I played in the folk choir at the University of Mississippi and we always had liturgical appropriate music. We not only filled the church when we played, but folding chairs has to be added on each side of the pews. We played Masses, retreats, and times of Adoration. There were many conversions and Catholics who were strengthened in faith from our music and the Spirit that was with us. I get emails and Facebook comments from people who say our music and witness has made them stronger in their faith and in their discipleship to Jesus.

[@GigiTheBackyardHerbalist]

I've been yearning for Christian music that was actually pleasant to listen to. Not only did I find the last song (the best), & the jazzy song to be examples of songs I want, I'm going to look for albums. The Gregorian chant was very moving and I could see myself gardening or cooking listening to it, got to get these. Since my reversion a few years ago, a lot of what I used to listen to, doesn't do it for me any more. This was one of my favorite shows to date. On that note, you all stopped showing up in my feed, so I'm way behind I hope listening to several episodes today will put you back in there. PS If any of you guys read this, do you have a show on good Christian novels? Are there any? I'm a book hound and all I read for decades were murder mysteries with a pagan theme. I found one book I like several years ago, I think it was the Wishing Bridge or something like that. It ended up being a Christian book instead of pagan and I loved it. Sure could use some good tips. Anyone?

[@OliviaCortis]

Hi CTS❣️ I am new to this channel and I am from the Rosary Crew❣️ I just wanted to say I enjoyed listening to you guys but not the start of the episode as when you were laughing at the bad music I was cringing and it was awful to listen to but not funny, I have a good sense of humour but that wasn’t funny. There was a lot of truth in want you were saying especially about Hill Song I never realised that❣️ There is a lot of Good Christian Artists out there I love listening to inspirational Christian music like Chris Tomlin, Danny Gokey, Casting Crowns, Matthew West, etc❣️ Although I highly recommend Fr Rob Galea he has a You Tube Channel he is one of my all time favourites check him out you won’t be disappointed❣️God Bless❣️

[@OliviaCortis]

I still gave you guys a thumbs up though❣️

[@Sicarius089]

I came in at the very end of the live stream so I'm rewatching this 😅 I highly recommend checking out Simon Khorolskiy, especially his song sign of the son. He's Russian Orthodox but lives in Washington, his music is quite phenomenal.

[@johnfernandes6541]

Old Catholic hymns were prayers written by Catholic saints and were about what WE had to do, so it actually improved the way we lived. eg. MAKE ME A CHANNEL OF YOUR PEACE is the prayer of St. Francis of Assisi; TAKE AND RECEIVE is the prayer of St. Ignatius of Loyola. Modern religious songs are more about praising Jesus and less about improving our lives..

[@brycedietz4396]

Darn it Schiel, you Skeletor of the Catholic talk show. I've been singing Jesus is a friend of mine all morning on my delivery route! You powerful dark lord of bad Christian Music! Well done sir, well done.

[@CatholicTalkShow]

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[@bubbachewies]

Brother Isiah and The Vigil Project Great Catholic music

[@UrbaneOracle]

Where do I download the Spotify playlist compilation from this podcast session? So many artists I gotta track down now for a listen.

[@trubadorphotography2541]

There are certain bands in the CCM genre that I think are very, very good and edifying. Off the top of my head, Jars of Clay are incredible and their styles of songs run a wide range over their long career. Others that I’ve always liked are Audio Adrenaline, PFR, Big Tent Revival (Steve Wiggins), Out of the Grey, Newsboys, Fernando Ortega, Steven Curtis Chapman, John Elefante, Third Day. Most of these came out of the burgeoning ‘90s CCM movement, and are some of the best of the best. Granted, though, a large percentage of CCM music is cringeworthy or saccharine. But I can listen to much of the music from the acts I just listed without any qualms. Heck, I have them on my iPod Touch and listen to them all the time. And I’m 59 years old. 🤷🏻‍♂️😎🎸

[@williamavitt8264]

You named some of my favorite bands. You just left off DC Talk

[@trubadorphotography2541]

@@williamavitt8264 I forgot to mention them. 😆 The former lead singer of DC Talk is now the front man for the Newsboys, BTW.

[@williamavitt8264]

@@trubadorphotography2541 lol yes, I know. But to be honest, I haven't been a big fan of Newsboys since Michael Tait took over. It isn't that they're bad, they just aren't the John James/Peter Furler Newsboys I knew in the 90s. I definitely liked Michael's band Tait that he did 2 albums with after DCT broke up a lot better

[@trubadorphotography2541]

@@williamavitt8264 I agree. DCTalk was great when they first hit the scene. And the Newsboys just aren’t the same without Furler. Like… imagine Jars Of Clay without Matt Haseltine.

[@jeffreybarton1297]

I've just screen shotted your comment, to help me try and find some Christian music I like. I can't stand most of it 👍

[@barbg6891]

What is the name of the song you played by The Avett Brothers? Very lovely!

[@skeeterbug1428]

I love KTIS 98.5 out of Minneapolis, but I miss the old Christian worship songs from the 90's and often listen to them on youtube. I also love 90's country music as well so there's that also.

[@jilldeiss1486]

Jeremy Camp’s concert with Katy Nichole last weekend was fabulous!

[@jilldeiss1486]

Jeremy Camp’s concert with Katy Nichole last weekend was fabulous!

[@soccreyes4647]

Casting Crown's "The Voice of Truth" is great. And Jars of Clay songs.

[@mr.happysack7608]

Stevie Winwood - Higher Love

[@argelbargel7680]

This is why God created Latin.

[@angelacevedo37]

Robert Randolph & the Family Band - I Still Belong to Jesus

[@sharonhale7607]

At my funeral, I want “Take me into the Beautiful” by Cloverton. Such a moving praise song!

[@gremlin35]

The Catholic rock band, The Thirsting, is awesome. They are proof that all Christian rock is not bad.

[@jimsweet3256]

Just said the same thing!!

[@aarushifernandes5082]

Paul Baloche - The same love is one of my favorite Christian songs

[@angelcovarrubias3328]

This has easily become my favorite podcast on KZbin! Love the content! 🙏🏼💯❤️

[@samueldiaz1508]

8:19 that guy with the socks in the air made my day! 😂 Greetings from P. R. ✌🏼🇵🇷 God bless You!

[@Sheilamarie2]

I'm Traditional; give me a choir and angelic music (for all ages, not contemporary), and the Holy Spirit takes over. It helps to make the experience of our beautiful Mass even moreso beautiful. I do not care for modern Christian music, sorry!

[@jacobmazur-batistonio.p.8266]

Gotta check out John Mark McMillan - particularly the album Mercury and Lightning

[@palusma1]

I like Stryper and O.C. Supertones

[@theresabrown7059]

I love to listen to Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles during adoration… really any time I need peace in my soul.

[@nathanstroot6334]

Amen to that Theresa! It's as if there are Angels singing with them. God bless those dear Sisters... in Gower & in Ava too!

[@antonioflores7917]

Bruh there's a real nickel creek feel there excellent. Punch brothers too lol. Love it ❤

[@michelledowen7292]

King and Country, Old News Boys, Mercy Me, Rebecca Saint James, Chris Tomlin, among a few others. As far as Hillsongs, the older songs were powerful. Shout To The Lord has to be one that focuses on our Savior. How Great Is Our God is another song which keeps the focus on our Lord.

[@susantolson6138]

Gritting my teeth until you got to the Avett Brothers--Awesome!

[@katherineskrzynecki3347]

AVETT BROS ARE AWESOME! Saw them TWICE this year!!

[@missjanebronte]

As someone who is Catholic and who's heard a fair share of Christian music, I appreciate this discussion. All 3 of you provided a different perspective that I didn't think about before in regards to Christian music. Now I can be more aware of what I listen to!

[@Hadrianus01]

JS Bach wrote music of unmatched beauty that is fit and proper for the worship of God.

[@YaneMarieSleppy]

But none of it was written for the Mass, unfortunately.

[@Hadrianus01]

@@YaneMarieSleppy BWV 232

[@YaneMarieSleppy]

@@Hadrianus01 Not appropriate for Mass. Bach was a Lutheran. Music for the liturgy should be composed with the Mass in mind by Catholics.

[@Hadrianus01]

@@YaneMarieSleppygosh that's a very tribal mentality you've got.

[@Hadrianus01]

@@YaneMarieSleppy who are YOU to determine what is or isnt suitable music?? Should we stop singing Hark the Herald angels sing? It was written by a dirty non catholic!!

[@bm2_852]

Theres actually good Christian rap now days ngl

[@KSTrekker]

If you want music that is unapologetically rock and unapologetically Catholic, check out The Thirsting. They even fit a lot of the liturgy into their lyrics. This music was never intended to be part of a worship service.

[@tomy8339]

I'm a classic hard rock music fan and have tried numerous times to listen to Christian rock/metal. And it's just not the same as my all my favourite secular artists. Inevitably I end returning to the likes of Black Sabbath (my all time favourite band), Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Whitesnake, Rainbow, AC/DC, Ozzy Osbourne etc. I've tried listening to Christian equivalent because I've been told my whole life it's unChristian to listen to these other artists. But I genuinely can't stand any of the Christian alternatives, even the better regarded Christian rock bands. You just can't compare P.O.D. or Skillet to Sabbath or Purple.

[@brewerfam5223]

i have listen to Petra for years and find there songs scripturally based songs unlike some other groups. I even knew a priest who also listen to them.

[@pibly7784]

Yes- Petra comes off well as Christian rock. 👍

[@russellyount-DOM]

Petra and DeGarmo & Key are my favorites. Great weight lifting music!

[@islandaloha187]

Brother Isaiah… two of my favorites are Firelight and Tender Remedy.

[@EastWind123]

I'm not typically a fan of contemporary Christian music, but I LOVE Brother Isaiah. Come Follow Me is my favorite.

[@Vision-uf5mm]

Walked in to salesian parish, it said catholic church on the outside, but on the inside it was more like a modernists protestant "atmosphere" "vibe" worship center! with a minimulist catholic decor, no stations, no mary, no saints? They had a band near the altar of the sanctuary, a couple of big screens hanging like Shanda leers projecting all the lyrics and liturgy responses, I'm surprised they didn't have touch screen interaction ipads on the pews!! As you walk in you don't see a crucification until after you walk in, it's behind you? & not in the sanctuary, that was strange? As I had been praying for a church to be my parish after being away for many years it took walking into a few to realize things are not what I remembered especially at this salesian parish one with the postmodern Protestant Catholic hybrid place, I may be too harsh at the moment but I walked out for more reasons than what i witnessed and those reasons are a different topic for a different day!

[@markjohnson1520]

I listen to Christian Contemporary a lot and really enjoy it, but I always wonder about the beautiful songs these talented artists would write about our Blessed Mother if they had the fullness of the faith

[@jeffstumpf9129]

Amen

[@teresa.tells.it.like.it.is.2]

Constructive criticism is meant: Please structure another show around what liturgical music should be and then what mainstream music should be for daily use. If you have already, please point this out to me.

[@mjtd2627]

I’m truly sorry but I cannot accept anything but traditional chant music during The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass or at any liturgical celebration. I recently went to Eucharistic Adoration Holy Hour where music with lyrics was played throughout. It was completely distracting, and my meditating was totally disrupting. I had to leave the church after I finished my Rosary which also was terribly hard to pray, and I even had to defer to my missal to concentrate on the Rosary’s prayers. 💔

[@Scottsfolk]

Lauren Daigle vs Flyleaf would be an awesome video 😅😊

[@mariachijazmin3970]

Love this podcast!

[@13FOIFVET]

Should check out Sons of Korah. They're an Australian band and they put the Psalms to music.

[@karino.2968]

I would like to add a thought to Ryan S.'s comment at minute 42 or so: I strongly disagree that the "better" music is the one where the songwriter just tells his story about his relationship with the lord. I think THEN it gets dangerous of becoming a scenario where it is just about the musician or myself and the cuddly feelings. Worship music in my opinion should be a proclamation of who GOD is, not how I feel like. This is why I like songs that refer to Bible verses and proclaim things we can say about God like that he is good, faithful, strong, gentle, a redeemer, and so on and so on... I hope you get what I am trying to say ^^ love your show, God bless the three of you and the people you love

[@beverlyplonski-mcgavock3512]

Our Parish has some incredibly humble, talented musicians who are versatile enough to do all types of music. One of the Masses is devoted to more CCM than the older hymns. I don't believe it gets in the way of the sacramentality of the Mass at all--I think it enhances things. It's a large part of what kept me coming back, and what led to my full reversion to the faith. The focus is always on Christ, and I believe the music points straight to Him.

[@michaelhoelscher5079]

You’re absolutely right. It’s not about the era of the music. It’s about whether it directs you to the sacrifice of the Mass and doesn’t try to make a music concert out of the Holy Sacrifice.

[@jesusmetal92107]

I dig a lot of christian metal, like A Hill to Die Upon, which have lyrics steeped in liliterature and theology, and actually attempt to engage in the artistic endeavor, rather than pander to a radio audience and dollar. They are making art.

[@Sveino1000]

Opprobrium is great christian death metal as well.

[@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast]

Panegyrist (Orthodox), Crimson Moonlight (Orthodox) and Reverorum ib Malact (Catholic) make great Christian black metal.

[@Sveino1000]

Hesychast and Gospod is orthodox BM. Dawnbreaker and Slechtwalk is pretty good christian BM.

[@jesusmetal92107]

@@Sveino1000 I love Slechtvalk! all these other bands are fantastic too.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

I love metal in general, but bands like Demon Hunter and As I lay Dying are great.

[@2singHispraise]

I've only recently found your channel and thank you, it's a real blessing. Please reconsider using the word "suck" tho. It's mild profanity. I don't mean to be mean or holier-than-thou, i really don't. But I remember when the word first came into use (yep I'm showing my age) and it was equivalent to a cuss word. It may have become accepted but try saying 'it stinks!' it conveys the same idea.❤ Grazie

[@PopCultureCatechism]

woooo, I saw this title and I came in ready to fight but I actually agree with most of what you said. Avett's, Chance, Lecrae . . . all great artists. I would add Paramore, Twenty One Pilots, Imagine Dragons, and on the older side Springsteen and U2. I think a lot of why people dislike Hillsong, Chris Tomlin, Elevation, Bethel etc is because it is meant for corporate worship but often gets placed in commercial spaces like radio stations and youtube. Praising God with those songs in a basement at a bible study, at adoration (as you guys mentioned), or (when done appropriately and well) at mass is very different than how the radio edit sounds on spotify. I'd love to have you guys have this conversation with a Catholic musician who knows liturgy and the modern worship context. I also think most of the early examples (son seed, the crazy Oceans drummer) aren't examples anyone think are any good. Christian musicians make fun of those as terrible also. I 100% agree that so much Christian worship music leaves us wanting something more substantial (like the Eucharist). great job!

[@dianajanna7228]

YES

[@rositarincon7742]

Man o man! Shout out to ol padre there with the trap mix omg (gosh)...lol I love it! Speaks to my chill step vibes i like when I am working....I am so playing this at work :)

[@pfontaine23]

I’m Catholic but don’t listen to much Catholic or Christian music. There’s some interesting Prog Rock that appeals to me…Neal Morse’s various projects come to mind but most of his music is long. His song “We All Need Some Light” with Transatlantic is a great short song with a spiritual message. His “One “ album is fantastic. The more recent “Welcome To The World” is bleak but is the opening to an album about the rediscovery of Christian spirituality. “Close To The Edge” by Yes isn’t Christian but is undeniably a deeply spiritual song despite Jon Anderson’s free-verse lyrics. Marillion have also written songs that touch on the spiritual. I always thought that “Estonia” would be a fitting song to play at my funeral.

[@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast]

Shoutout to Former Ruins and shoutout to Thomas Muglia!

[@formerruins]

Thanks for listening, brother.

[@DSkye-n7m]

Ugh at the church I used to go to there was a band right up front and it seemed like much if the Mass was sung almost like a musical. It was such a turn off to me that I changed parishes. When I go to church, I want to go to church and hear a choir singing. They really need to cool it with this stuff.

[@rongriffing1439]

I don't blame you! I would have done the same thing. My old parish started doing weird things too...I left it for a more traditional parish, even if it was a lot farther away.

[@DSkye-n7m]

@@rongriffing1439 thank you. Oh yes I’m willing to drive further for a more peaceful mass.

[@TheMisschrisaz]

I completely agree.

[@helomanfly3846]

Devout Catholic here. The band Leeland, The Better Word live and Invisible albums are Awesome! Must listen and decide for yourselves.

[@theinappropriategentleman]

Lecraes “take me as I am song” is the best

[@paulgermaine1777]

When it comes to good contemporary Christian music, my absolute favorite is Sixpence None the Richer. This is because they don't shove it down your throat, in fact you might not know it is even Christian music, if you don't pay attention to the lyrics. "I Need Love," "Breathe Your Name," Too Far Gone," "Loser Like Me" are all Brilliant songs & there are few songs in life as beautiful as "Melody of You." I honestly want that song along with Catholic hymns "Remember Your Love," "Shepherd Me oh God" "Center of My Life" & "The Servant Song" played at my funeral Mass. The story behind the name Sixpence None the Richer is beautiful too! Look it up.

[@joyfullbunny]

I would argue that the hillsong type music while not hokey to you is hokey to me. I'm a classically trained Musican and can here the blanket teenage emotional manipulative devices used throughout. It's an emotionally arrested development of spiritual maturity. Good for teens but I would argue not for any kind of corporate worship. Check out city alight I belive their theology and lyrics have much more depth than the hillsong.

[@penny3959]

I really like most of Matt Mahr music

[@lisarenteria6805]

Can't understand song . You're talking above the song.

[@lukehunt9666]

"this is your time" Michael w Smith. It's pretty much the only contemporary Christian song I can think of that I really like

[@carmenchak375]

MercyMe- Even If

[@manny75586]

Wow...that second clip with the socks waving...I would say was borderline blasphemy. Honestly, people. I'm elated that my Church does the high Latin mass (1962 Missal) with a choir and either an organist or our church chamber orchestra providing tasteful, gorgeous music.

[@a_jt96]

what about Kanye west and roberto Carlos

[@hannahnichole7032]

Loved the episode. Agreed, Hallow App is awesome. And catholic lofi if the best. But have yall heard We the Kingdom "Holy Water" I love that song. And it moves you! I honestly like a few from We the Kingdom. Like "don't tread on me" it's almost like a cry to pick up your spiritual life and strengthen it. Then there's Olivia Lane. And her song "the woman at the well" ugh! Father! Grab your handkerchief. Or maybe it's just me. But it hits home. Also her song "I let the devil in". So good and real. Also. Sidenote. How do yall feel about Eminem's new release?

[@teresa.tells.it.like.it.is.2]

30:45 Is this from the number one disc used for meditation coupled with Yoga in the 80's? It was unknown when everyone used it that these were catholic monks chanting. I laughed hard when everyone non-catholic found out. Talk about freaking out ❕