Why Is Nobody Using This INSANE Tower? (Bloons TD 6)

[@EthanReid]

Ranked boss players be like whaat? But really this Marine is lowkey good!

[@DaBirdJ]

"joke made by ethanreid, credits to ethan reid" ahh joke😭🙏

[@Carlos-jw2xd]

​@@DaBirdJlmao

[@mrman2557]

that bloon whent prBoom+

[@ScrapeGoatt]

💀

[@DETHTWUKTAUR]

If you think of it as a "super monkey fan club" that can also farm extra bananas ... that kind of makes sense.

[@qianXunThu]

it requires me to press an ability, too much microing😔

[@mrnexus2296]

Facts

[@theotm]

Relatable

[@JoeyMx]

Clicking a button doesn't require much microing. Especially compared to people who use the plane. 😊

[@sequ559]

Clicking an ability is the least micro in this game

[@qianXunThu]

@@JoeyMxits a joke

[@KoobyKarasu]

Honestly I think they should just make the Marine permanent when placed, but double the cooldown, and using the cooldown again will move the Marine instead of placing another one, that way it's not that much micro.

[@deanwilson8004]

Similar to the master builder main sentries!

[@chunkbase9636]

you realise that this is a nerf to it right

[@CoconutOrNot_]

​@@chunkbase9636​@chunkbase9636 yeah bro does not realize it have 100%+ uptime

[@Ragingredroo22]

@@chunkbase9636u can just add a slight buff to damage to account for the few seconds 2 are down which would make this a great qol feature

[@DrewBoivie]

That's not always desirable. Mid heli is great on Muddy Puddles, for instance, and marine needs to be on a new lane every round.

[@David_TheSuperior]

If I recall the transition from Downdraft to Chinook is more than just the Vital Supplies and Redeploy abilities: the blowback happens more often, and affects twice as much, and the main dart damage upped from 1 to 2.

[@kanimou]

the projectile size also increases

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Downdraft sucks now so 🤷‍♂️

[@dangle-pee4420]

@@CoconutOrNot_ Just cause its not OP anymore doesn't mean it sucks.

[@overbakedbreadroll2918]

​@@CoconutOrNot_why? what happened? (I'm not into btd so much currently)

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@overbakedbreadroll2918 a mix of a massive nerf heavily nerfing the downdrafts attack speed+pierce, and a healthy amount of buffs to top path druid of the syotm basically made it an obsolete tower

[@K_buns]

4 abilities for 1 T5 is insane

[@NTJOSH-eq3gw]

3 actually

[@JoaoPedroCastro-qt9lq]

​@@NTJOSH-eq3gw if you include the mk ability then it is 4

[@rz6162]

​@@NTJOSH-eq3gwreplacing towers ability, crate ability, marine ability, door gunner ability, thats 4

[@smore9831]

​​@@rz6162 wdym the door gunner is a ability, thats just a passive thing

[@rz6162]

@@smore9831 the door gunner is literally an ability

[@Dark_Slayer3000]

EthenReid is advertising this tower like he is a Car Salesman xD * slaps rotors of Special Poperations * "This Chinook can fit SO many darts!"

[@anidiotthathasexistence364]

*slaps 3-0-0 heli rotors* “My hand is gone”

[@DrewBoivie]

Yep. I say it every time the topic comes up. Mid heli is crazy underrated. And its twice as good outside of CHIMPS where it makes $6k every ability use. Disregarding income, mid heli has about as much popping power per $ spent as the other two helis IF you use marine on cooldown. And then there's all the beautiful doorgunner options.

[@Gwise101Shrek]

This tower is actually my strategy for going ultra late game because it carries for a long time so it gives time for farming Edit: i forgot to mention, but another reason this is such a good strategy is that this tower eventually pays for its self as long as your not playing on chimps, which not a lot of people do in ultra late game.

[@bradw8102]

The main reason I've used this tower is for its lucrative crates, especially on boss events. I've used the marine to clear up a round more quickly where time penalties exist, such as ranked boss modes and CT Boss tiles.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

marine should get permanently placed, you use a button in the ui to move it like you move any other tower, and the ability lets you place a second marine for 5 seconds every 25 seconds. boom fixed

[@EhtesamUddinPrince]

Exactly, technically this would be a small nerf as you can no longer have 2 marines on the screen, but I doubt that would change the DPS too much.

[@FrostyTheCookie]

That would just make it incredibly boring imo. It's okay to have some micro towers for the players that enjoy it. My actual issue with marine is Chinook being so minimally useful in chimps.

[@perfectiondreamusa]

@@FrostyTheCookie don’t worry man, i’ll ask the developers to leave in the unnecessary and tedious micro for no benefit just for you and your accounts. you’re welcome 🙏

[@perfectiondreamusa]

@@FrostyTheCookie actually great news. i just got off the phone with ninjakiwi and they said they’re gonna make every tower work like marine just for you. so basically the towers dont do anything unless you activate an ability every 30 seconds, also every ability has it’s own icon so you have to click each one individually. you’re gonna have so much fun

[@joaodelvaux3152]

Could be up to 3 marines... It's so expensive, it would not break the game

[@Funcrashmalej]

4:50 Ethan: Oh she has a chraged attack i want you to hit the... Rosalia: STFU!! (Proceeds to shoot anyway)

[@majormonochrome8529]

I've been saying the same thing. Support chinook is my favorite upgrade path. I love being able to pick up troops to go with the heli. Sometimes I go moab glue until I have enough money for a dark champion.

[@CoconutOrNot_]

You are NOT saving up for dc with chinook, glue and dk you clown

[@CoconutOrNot_]

You are NOT saving up for dc with a shitty setup like that

[@majormonochrome8529]

@@CoconutOrNot_ never on chimps but the money from the heli alone can get you to a DC.

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@majormonochrome8529 just get xbm for the r80 carry lol

[@majormonochrome8529]

@@CoconutOrNot_ I like going lots of different strategies. I personally find the military monkeys to be my favorite to make work.

[@bigfella23729]

transforming tonic does 100 dps, has concoction, is cheaper, but has much less pierce and worse damage per hit (3 every 0.03 seconds)

[@borzafror]

it dosent have 120% uptime

[@gamerfailure7175]

There are pros and cons about this tower compared to heli, its upgrade is rather cheap but slightly weaker, with less uptime then heli, but gets way better value out of damage buffs, but could be spammed in order have full uptime in a way, or all used at once to shred high hp moabs, or just homeland could be effective. Ethan should test this.

[@speedytutlz8474]

​@@borzafrorso get 2

[@Splatterbrainprime]

​@@speedytutlz8474 why not get both?

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Why tf would you want spec AND tonic? ​@@Splatterbrainprime

[@robinmist]

I love the special popperations because of the door gunner ability that thing is so cool

[@TheBeardedFrogSage]

Because in live fire environments you rarely have the time and money to deploy this thing in time to prevent a loss. If the price wasn't so high, yes, I would use it more often. Unfortunately all the helicopter upgrades tend to be a wee bit too expensive to be anything but niche strategy. Once I get 302 and 203 that's about all I use it for, sometimes I'll go for that ~20k just to go Apache, but it's usually the last upgrade I do after all the other stuff I have to have up first to deal with the blitz waves.

[@Marsman3354]

unless you only play on medium difficulty you have more than enough cash to afford the T5 helis. a hard difficulty game gives a total of a little under 100k cash and a game of chimps/impoppable is a little under 180k. Tier 5 helis are absolutely affordable since they cost between 50k-70k and are a very viable DPS option on a lot of maps. Even with the total cost in mind the inbetween upgrades of Commanche/Dartship are still very good and usually allow for an easy saveup to the Tier 5s which provide very good DPS for the rest of the game

[@thegloatingstorm8323]

I think the problem with mid heli is similar to what happened with mid mortar For reference: middle path mortar didn’t have an ability till much later which left the tier 4 as a very awkward stepping stone to the tier 5. Obviously the tier 4 heli has an ability, 2 even, but it has no equivalent to the marine which makes the transition super awkward

[@lool8421]

maybe this could quite well with energizer since it's a pretty solid cleanup tower, decreases marine cooldown and it might help with levelling rosalia

[@AmericanChoirboy]

i always use it. brewed up and overclocked 3-0-2 super monkey as the door gunner in pursuit mode

[@brasil2907]

Rosalia's weapon switch should be on the bottom ability bar, it would make it a lot easier to micro

[@jyria4827]

What Kiwi could do is have it so the marine is pernamently out (since u can already do that and even have 2 for a short duration) but u can freely move the tower with the ability. So it stays there unless u move it with the ability

[@celsonjunior9376]

not having to sell towers to replace/fix/create space for other towers is a pretty good ability on my book, i normally use t5 when im going for 205 villages(round 200+ or bosses) to get discounts for farms and low range/expensive towers so just a bit longer duration would help a lot

[@phoenixmaxximus4313]

2:04 am I dreaming? 💀💀😭😭

[@Barneito_123]

God you're so brainrotted, hes talking about the helis blowback effect

[@NTJOSH-eq3gw]

Aura -100 😂

[@Barneito_123]

My reply got deleted. Why do you have to bring cringy brainrot terms into this? Yk aura means an area of effect? He's talking about the heli-pilots blowback effect

[@NiniDee73]

​@@Barneito_123 why so annoyed about it? It's a kids game man

[@proxlordz]

@@Barneito_123 bro, this game is mostly gen alpha, what do you expect

[@ngbg9608]

10:30 He finished getting all his pokemons

[@thedoubledeckerhat4416]

I just set the heli on per suit, and spam the ability when ever I can. And that way it always deploys it on the front line. No micro besides pressing a button, which you could tech bot if you really want to.

[@pengwino828]

Marine is awesome but the saveup is a little annoying. I would only really use it if I already wanted to use chinook most of the time

[@therealquade]

I use special poperations in almost every game that i plan on going to round 300 on. 250 heli, doorgunner on a 302 or 320 supermonkey thats been permabrewed, a techbot for marine, a 250 druid, also with techbot for money, and then whatever other situational stuff.

[@m1ximus749]

It’s a great day when Ethanreid uploads

[@julienbronsch5039]

Every day since he started uploading the advanced challanges has been great?

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@julienbronsch5039 not after his tierlist

[@ponocni1]

I do like door gunner on that thing. Most of the time i put there some low ranged tower like 204 tack or 4xx ice for that extra damage everywhere. Kinda wish they gave 4th tier door gunner ability too. really useful. Sadly its behind MK.

[@darylefleming1191]

I used the heli 2-5-0 with the tech bot. The marine does a lot of damage. Tech bot is underrated.

[@snorewak]

ninja in the middle middle path for moab damage ability + engineer middle path for embrittlement = 🤝

[@takingitupto12next]

All ninja kiwi needs to do is make a change big enough that people notice it then people use it to see if it changed, then realise is super good

[@MusicalGeoff]

Fun Fact: "Semi-towers" (such as sentries, shooty turrets, the Marine, etc.) cannot be named with the "Monkey Names" trophies purchase, making the Marine the only non-hero monkey that cannot be given a nickname!

[@donovanewing1820]

i feel like if it was a window gunner whenever it's off cooldown and then the ability just places it or something similar would help reduce micro

[@nonmagicalwitch]

It has the same problem blooncin has, where a support tower needs a lot of money to turn into a damage tower, so the saveup to it is harder than going for a damage tower that has a decently damaging tier 4

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Easy solution, get a strong save up like comdef, bads or artillery batt

[@daunderrated3106]

Shattering shell is actually quite good damaging tower

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@daunderrated3106 @daunderrated3106 14k for bloon control that still sucks as too much of an investment. Best to go straight and use an actual mid game carry lol

[@johnsadiwa2248]

I think that the Marine can be deployed twice at the same time when all cooldown reductions are in play. Correct me if I'm wrong I'm just speculating

[@charleschandrablazinger6515]

Third path (Speed) are insane with second path (Camo/Frag) as sub

[@trollsansofficial]

My favorite heli upgrade

[@takingitupto12next]

True! I covered this in my tier list vid =D

[@abielreh]

4:21 I think you’re confusing it with the ace

[@jonesdererste8658]

I think it’d be great if the marine stayed on screen infinitely but only one can be placed. That way you don’t have to press the ability every time

[@Earthquaker_Pan]

it sounds to me like Ethan reids gets 5 dollars every time someone buys the marine or something like the amount of times he says "buy this tower" and "why is no one using this tower its so good"

[@Sipisipi]

I feel that the super brittle shards carried this run more than the actual marine's dps

[@cheese-ug4qy]

I feel like the 205 sniper is better with more range and no micro needed, it can also be buffed and its cheaper.

[@schnooderson2089]

You should try a 2 Megapops challenge with the marine!

[@dolphin_ii]

This guy is also insane on multi lane track I used him to carry my muddles chimp run

[@troymorrell01]

Ooo yeah the marine AND the redeploy

[@Laezar1]

Honestly just make it so the ability deploys the marine where you want and it lasts forever and it reusing it just allows to move the marine. It would technically be a nerf but it would be such a QoL upgrade and I don't really see the value in having to redeploy it over and over again (especially since the tower already has two abilities with the chinhook)

[@apsect_3]

i remember using this guy with a temple and all randomly once it was pretty funny

[@dunban3639]

Would an energizer help put down more marines?

[@julienbronsch5039]

Yes

[@Oi.GG0]

Yes

[@troymorrell01]

Technically not more, but a higher uptime

[@PonFromRussia]

​@@troymorrell01higher overtime*

[@gabrielknaub]

he has to high base hit for brittle and glue, you wanted to use homeland? i think its called and overcharge, that would have been an actual massive boost

[@MadeOutOfGold]

You made me wanna play Bloons TD 6 again…

[@DanTheDuctTapeBall]

Wouldn't having the 500 sub give the ability a faster cool down so you can have 2 of them for a longer overlap, possibly even 3

[@retropixels873]

The marine is a good damage tower, but the stepping stones are quite the opposite. It’s a really weird transition

[@jakel7208]

The reason why people don’t use this:the build up sucks because the 4th tier sucks and does very little in chimps

[@sherrifft770]

I'll give it a try. But definitely not going be using this much. I cant keep up with that many abilities.

[@LukeOdom-q3g]

“We need one more damage amplifier then we will have all our Pokémon” what?

[@basvriese1934]

I usually do get a Chinook, in the late game to transport my permabrew

[@Fermentos]

Marine is pretty strong, but there are way better options for that price. Besides I just dislike the heli's in general, I used to like apache prime but that one fell of hard.

[@adamjopkiewicz1344]

normal sniper monkey does way more demage for this price with full auto

[@caralambson]

door gunner ability is super underrated

[@anshericvertron3269]

why does it even diaspeer just let 1 stay around and we can move it with the heli

[@ExoticCatLitter]

The marine already has basically infinite uptime so they should just get rid of the ability to drop it and have it auto place when you upgrade to 5th tier. Don’t like where it auto places? Thankfully you just purchased a tower with the ability to move the marine where you want it

[@bradenbarfuss2399]

That’s what I’m saying! I have a challenge that’s round 95 and the answer is this towers abilities (ZFMGBHT) please play it no one has so far 😭

[@michaelwinter742]

It could have a switch, between as-is and permanent deployment.

[@hotlimited888]

On round 95, you called the monkeys pokemon :( im disrespected sir

[@Dairyhomeslooker]

10:25 Pokénom

[@robo5567]

Finally love for my boy

[@JohnsonQi]

the Apache 4-0-2 is stronger most of the time for the same price

[@snickerz1485]

Glave lord and that cost the same and if you compair the 2 its not even close. Glave lord clears

[@JustAnIdea.Eagle_But-69]

Didn’t you make a tier list where this guy was in d

[@Barneito_123]

Imagine energiser

[@phoenixmaxximus4313]

11:33 AYO

[@sussyb969]

🤨

[@xarokawildstorm3022]

waht about abyss lord mermonkey for 6 additional pierce?

[@bendonald6001]

becuz their are much better opinions.the marine monkey just stays there for a few seconds. spending $25,500 (Easy) $30,000 (Medium) $32,400 (Hard) $36,000 (Impoppable)on an ability that just stays there for a few secs is not worth it. besides people use apache more

[@ssduuauauaautyawy-oy5hx]

it has 120% uptime wdym

[@bendonald6001]

@@ssduuauauaautyawy-oy5hx still. if it was perm. then it would be worth it

[@bendonald6001]

@@ssduuauauaautyawy-oy5hx plus last 30 seconds.

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Apache is THE most overrated tower in the game, more so than archmage or xbm

[@bendonald6001]

@@ssduuauauaautyawy-oy5hx its sits there for 30sec?

[@mrman2557]

the only micro i used to use was farms then i discovered that farms can be 2-0-X

[@louisschmidt3972]

0-2-x makes more money

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@louisschmidt3972 doesn't fkn matter

[@tsukara]

@@CoconutOrNot_ farms being 30% better very much does matter lil bro

[@troymorrell01]

Energizer for even better uptime?

[@kolerodriguez75]

With the glue gunner is 052 actually better than 250? Just curious

[@Sipisipi]

Bottom crosspath gives extra slow which is important in late game against super ceramics, while the corrosive effect is nice early on but is less useful for later rounds. The +1 damage buff is the same

[@nikolapetric7089]

Too many abilities that clutter the screen and also not a fan of its mechanics, like it's trying to be too many things at once. The only cool thing about it is the ability to reposition towers imo and I'd rather have a tower that focuses on just utility instead of being supply drop elite defender hybrid

[@netix2153]

just tried it out on unpoppable lvl, did almost 1 milion dmg O_o

[@crittomato7043]

My reason is that I need to reapply it, I found it kinda annoying

[@mastodonknotts]

0:42 Math is wrong. 6*20/0.05 = 2400 dps

[@OtechPucci]

That is the case if marine maximizes the pierce. That's like saying that Spirit of The Forest has infinite dps

[@lukejones2747]

He probably meant single target dps

[@Balljiggler98]

single target dps is 120 using all his pierce is 2.4k

[@leafzz-v7]

The bots my god

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

Imagine a max buffed marine

[@Alimem54]

I might use it if we had a free ability bot per game. No way i'm pressing the ability myself that would be microing and this is a tower defence not tower active gaming defence.

[@m9wn_]

did a 2 megapops with this yesterday

[@Leli_chen]

I don't really like 0-5-0 Heli pilot

[@crimson1265]

9:11 what decamo the D.D.T.s, was it the super brittle?

[@somenerd8139]

Really unfortunate timestamp 😬

[@ChimpChamp_]

10:31 pokemon?

[@thewhitemystery1760]

i was looking for this lmao

[@dennis8q5]

Why didnt you get overclock

[@ICanKindaDoSomeStuff]

10:32 Pokemon?

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

Just used 052 heli this morning is normal challenge to 100.

[@-SupremeGamer123-]

Why is this thing so op

[@antoine5497]

It does nothing until tier 5, which is why nobody wants to use this tower

[@alexm.a.d892]

Chinook leaves 2500 MM creates and lives, I use it a lot in bosses because you can easily get lots of them to get crazy amounts of lives and cash

[@anzeigefehler6495]

I mean the tier 3 is a really nice and strong upgrade which was nerfed a few times already

[@EhtesamUddinPrince]

T3 is really good for early game bloon leaks. T4 is a bit more situational but it gives a good amount of cash and gives the ability to move towers which could be very useful when fighting Lych.

[@anzeigefehler6495]

@@EhtesamUddinPrince T3 is also great against (super) ceramics but were most likely talking about chimps

[@tbinaryg]

rosalia monke go brr

[@ruffirokoalt]

very expensive and distant from the path tbh

[@darkrathwheito9818]

Not that bad, but microing is boring, i like to place monke, then monke pop baloon, then me get kash, then me get more monke, then repeat.

[@leafblazor]

Yea there is a reason no one uses this. No one wants to manually control the helicopter, ESPECIALLY on mobile where we can't see what's going on while doing so. Heli is crap to normal players. Deal with it.

[@babyalexander]

Forgot this existed lol

[@kryiox3524]

rosalia solo carried

[@Qudi19]

that wht i was saying the marine goes hard

[@Skulkkid]

this is comp