Why Is Slick EQ M In My Monitor FX Chain?

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Dan Worrall

Dan Worrall

Күн бұрын

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@mixenne
@mixenne 6 ай бұрын
maybe you showed the params for the eq on screen, but since I can't see, do you use any specific preset with the eq or any specific parameters, or just throw it on at its default preset? I don't really understand how one could replicate your method.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 6 ай бұрын
Apologies. First of all it's Slick EQ "M", the mastering version, not Slick EQ or Slick EQ GE. I advised them to choose a different name but they ignored me! There's an extra 'special' band in the middle with three different options via a menu: Brightness, Hardness or EL Curve. Choose EL (equal loudness) Curve, and turn the knob below it down a bit. My setting is -2dB, but go with whatever feels right with however much attenuation you're using. Hope that clarifies things.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 6 ай бұрын
(I leave the other six normal EQ bands flat.)
@mixenne
@mixenne 6 ай бұрын
@@DanWorrall Thank you so much for replying and clarifying! 🙏 I'll definitely give this a try, because it sounds very useful. I have a bad habit of having my output level very loud while mixing.
@Hermiel
@Hermiel 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet workflow hack. If I ever start making music again instead of just watching videos about it I'll be sure to adopt this one!
@TylrVncnt
@TylrVncnt 3 жыл бұрын
LMAO the struggle
@YoYoLandFill
@YoYoLandFill 3 жыл бұрын
I stopped watching the videos ages ago, I just read the comments now.
@MIHAO
@MIHAO 3 жыл бұрын
relatable
@BCBarkGaming
@BCBarkGaming 3 жыл бұрын
literally attacking me
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 3 жыл бұрын
Now a couple days from 2022, we have reaction videos to the comments in videos about people watching videos about people making music.
@elmer4090
@elmer4090 5 жыл бұрын
"this is a strategy for pros" *sound of dreams shattering on the hard surface of reality*
@hiiambarney4489
@hiiambarney4489 5 жыл бұрын
At least you can still be a poet with that wording.
@nandoflorestan
@nandoflorestan 4 жыл бұрын
@@hiiambarney4489 and you, at least you can still be a comedian!
@HazyJ28
@HazyJ28 3 жыл бұрын
Never give up, friend. You will get there. And WHEN you do- Not IF, but WHEN you do, the feeling of satisfaction and euphoria will be the most incredible thing you've ever experienced. The moment when a hard concept clicks, and it just makes sense, is a cascading effect. It will make it easier to understand even harder, related concepts.
@mjklein
@mjklein 3 жыл бұрын
I have no doubt that you will achieve pro level. Just don't give up or allow yourself to become discouraged. Being "pro" also doesn't mean you will know everything there is to know.
@erikduijs2723
@erikduijs2723 5 жыл бұрын
I have to say, this is one of the most interesting audio engineering channels here on youtube; truly excellent stuff! I only use a control-room EQ to notch out some problematic standing wave in my room, but never considered using it to compensate for quiet monitoring. Very interesting idea, definitely going to try this!
@mostlytranslucent
@mostlytranslucent 5 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic idea, thank you for being so generous with your expertise. I love how your channel is evidence-based, a true cut above most KZbin mixing personalities.
@dcp10200
@dcp10200 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't even realize that Reaper had a Monitor FX track, this definitely makes Sonarworks Reference 4 more intergrated into the DAW without having to make a template with reference 4 on the master bus and having to disable it when rendering tracks!
@gabsauvage
@gabsauvage 5 жыл бұрын
@Dawaishi Moves having the possibility of running different instances or settings of Sonarworks depending on the output that is send volume (like one correction on the open back HP, an other in the closed back HP, one for the main monitors, etc.) would be genius! Idk, maybe if we got some software where you can directly drop vst on each separate outputs, like some sort of audio interface's softwares, that could fix the problem. Still, it would be quite cpu intensive i guess.
@WADstephen
@WADstephen 3 жыл бұрын
@@gabsauvage you can do that, with sonarworks systemwide - I basically use it as a monitor controller at this point
@CaseyConnor
@CaseyConnor 5 жыл бұрын
Reaper also has actions for enabling/disabling the monitoring FX, so you can map a hotkey to turn them on off. I find this handy so I don't have to mouse up to the button, or keep the FX list window open to enable/disable stuff. I also like to enable/disable all of them at once, as i have some room correction EQ across multiple plugins.
@paramelofficial9100
@paramelofficial9100 3 жыл бұрын
This is actually an amazing tip, especially for home studios actually. You can't mix loudly most of the time, many people are forced to stick to headphones for 90% of their mix (never finalise/master on headphones, always double check with speakers when you get the chance) and even if the neighbours don't mind mixing loudly will lead you to hear more of your room instead of your actual music. The headphones especially are a massive problem, not necessarily because of their inacuracies, most people know not to fully trust them and decent modern headphones can reproduce bass ok. It's actually the fact that many producers are using them as tiny speakers strapped to their head, blasting them at effectively rocket launcher amplitudes and then wondering why they hear that grounding error they thought was their power supply even when they leave the studio. Alternatively you could probably EQ counter to their frequency response, but I've noticed that going completely against the capabilities of headphones can cause issues, so try it out and see if it's muffled or not for yours. Otherwise this, plus a limiter to keep levels consistent when you lose focus will keep your ears safe. Just keep checking that the limiter isn't peaking and ruining your mix and you're golden, you might forget about it but I'd much rather lose 2 hours of work because I was a baboon rather than spend those 2 hours mixing at 18+ dB higher than I should, only to end up with a headache and a tiny bit of permanent damage, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
@TommyUrbanskiDJ
@TommyUrbanskiDJ 5 жыл бұрын
Really good video. I also mix at much quieter levels then the recommended 85 dB. It’s hard to imagine how fatigued my ears would become after just one hour mixing at 85 dB. You have a very valid point with regards to reverb and delay, while mixing at lower levels. Thank you for sharing your experience Dan.
@carldubcats3385
@carldubcats3385 2 ай бұрын
Very helpful. I have had slick EQ M for ages and never realiesd it had an equal loudness curve.
@danjohnsonstudio
@danjohnsonstudio 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had Slick EQ for a while, and didn’t even know this feature existed. Thanks for another genius hack.
@spookybuk
@spookybuk 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was having a lot of extra work because I didn't know the function "Extensions --> Loudness" in Reaper. Even the scraps you leave behind are useful. Thank you!
@nahamraj
@nahamraj 4 жыл бұрын
Truly , the masters are here in this KZbin channels absolutely inspired by this method. The only channel where I dive deep . Keep giving wisdom. God bless. Help me find my own way of approaching mastering in the box.
@SteveStockmalMusic
@SteveStockmalMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Just in case you missed it...that Slick EQ is a FREE download (and they’ve got other really great stuff). Thanks again Dan, always making me better !!!
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 5 жыл бұрын
Slick EQ is free. I used Slick EQ M though.
@SteveStockmalMusic
@SteveStockmalMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Ahaaaaa !! Either way, they sure make some great plugins. : ) Cheers
@MonkeyBars1
@MonkeyBars1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the free version does NOT feature this great loudness dial
@chordkeys
@chordkeys 4 жыл бұрын
This man's mixing will be crazy super awesome all the time
@michaelweinstein3056
@michaelweinstein3056 5 жыл бұрын
Super smart trick. Always learn something new AND useful on Mr. Worrall's vidies
@matrixate
@matrixate 5 жыл бұрын
That's a very useful feature of that plugin. I am aware of Fletcher Munson curves and for that reason, since I've been mixing quietly for as long as I can remember, I need to mix louder for corrective eq'ing due to the deviation in perceived loudness from mixing quieter. You're right about ear fatiguing, so I can only keep it loud for bursts of time, then turn it down. I guess, you're using it like the "Loud" button on consumer portable stereos for when people have the volume low. SEQ looks like a good safety net. I'll have to check this out.Thanks so much for sharing! Seriously.
@MatthewIanWelch
@MatthewIanWelch 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you again, Mr. Worrall. Every time - so clear and so helpful. I use TDR Slick EQ on most of my mixes/masters as well, but mostly to compare references after I've been sitting with the same material for so long and have lost objectivity. The EL curve is a nifty tool that I haven't been leveraging enough - especially since my studio is also my living space, and I can't always crank up the volume without getting evicted. Sometimes, the 2 AM mix needs to get to the client before 6 AM, and I need to have at least a decent sense of how it will transfer in different environments while making mixing decisions.
@nichttuntun3364
@nichttuntun3364 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dan. I noticed exactly that problem when mixing with quieter levels, what I do most of the time. I own the Tokyo Dawn EQ and didn't know about that function. I think that's a great solution. Have joy and be sound.
@digitalskins
@digitalskins Жыл бұрын
Ever since I heard CLA talk about doing some mix sessions very low in volume I started trying it years ago. To this day I do it for almost the same reason; to mix as long as possible without hurting my ears and the insight you get when hearing the mix super quiet you get the big picture of the levels. I started to realize for example the kick was insanely loud and it wasnt something i could hear when monitoring at high volumes. Its a super helpful trick for sure, I cant wait to try slick eq for the low end and high end at low mixing levels.
@AironExTv
@AironExTv 5 жыл бұрын
A good approach. I know at least one re-recording mixer that uses a level drop to mix loud action scenes. You‘ll likely believe how easy it is to overwhelm your hearing on film/TV mixes. I have the same problem from time to time in my dialog mixes. I‘ll give this trick with Slick EQ M a go.
@mikelo303
@mikelo303 4 жыл бұрын
That was fantastic tip. I do something similar with tool to -8db but I never thought about EQ implications. Thank you a lot!
@The_Sochmusic
@The_Sochmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hey everyone! Made a preset for Pro-Q3 based on Dan’s settings here…let me know if anyone would be interested in downloading it! Thanks for the great content Dan!
@terrygray7465
@terrygray7465 3 жыл бұрын
I’d like it
@soniquetemusic
@soniquetemusic 3 жыл бұрын
Please share if you don’t mind!
@mttlsa686
@mttlsa686 2 жыл бұрын
I’m interested.
@jurajfajnor
@jurajfajnor 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was only me that when mixing 'quietly' I would end up with a too heavy bottom end... great vid, thanks Dan
@greeneyes66
@greeneyes66 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent tip! I've found myself inside the same development over the past weeks especially: Being able to mix more or longer periods of time in a day at lower volume while also trying not to disturb the neighbour evenings/at night. This workaround with Slick EQ beats using the bass and treble adjustment on my monitors that I had been using recently. And setting the volume dip inside Slick EQ rather than in the "dim" position of Cubase is brilliant.
@Baphometrix
@Baphometrix 5 жыл бұрын
Great technique, thanks for sharing! One clarification, though: if you set Slick EQ’s output to -8dB, to what level would you correspondingly set the EL filter? I’m trying to understand what the relationship should be to achieve the right curve at lower monitoring levels.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 5 жыл бұрын
It's a good question! You would think that you'd turn the EL gain down by the same amount you're dropping the output gain, but that's obviously not right. I just judged it by ear: I listened to a mix loud, then again quiet, and adjusted the EQ gain till kick / cymbals / vocals felt about the same to me.
@Zerbasst
@Zerbasst 3 жыл бұрын
I would do it by ear as well, afaik its still not 100% clear how our perception of frequencys changes with loudness, at least the famous fletcher-munson curve isnt up to date anymore. But great tip with slick eqs special curve. Wonder what they modeled it after… i‘m still waiting for a plugin or even hardware that solves this automatically, so the perceived frequency response is flat for every loudness i set. would be a dream! :D
@MrIliasboufidis
@MrIliasboufidis 3 жыл бұрын
@@Zerbasst hey, at the time i was researching this issue hard, it kind of seemed there's a concensus on the subject that goes as follows> the non-linearity of the curves and their inherently subjective nature, prohibit any sort of automating of the sort we would love(ie an automatic way to objectively fix the curve for specific attenuations). Reason for this is apparently that [in terms of hard numbers] you and i and dan and every single other person although we share the same tendency for the curve, we don't seem to have the exact same curve. so apparrently the safest way to do it is to work with the curve and your ears and find your personal sweet spots..... audio man.... gotz ta love it :D
@Zerbasst
@Zerbasst 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrIliasboufidis i see. Yeah maybe i should read further into this :) thanks for the insight! and yeah, lovin it to tha fullest! :p
@mjklein
@mjklein 3 жыл бұрын
I would set it with a very well known piece of music as a reference though, rather than something I was working on.
@alexbreyer6921
@alexbreyer6921 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, I enjoyed you past videos comparing EQ tools from Reaper and Cubase to solutions like FabFilter. It's interesting to test how the results might vary or where their strengths lie. I believe that EQs can be programmed to sound very different, but I'd be curious to hear your tests over things like delays or echo tools that we often use to thicken guitars or vocals. I use Logic Pro X and I'm guessing that the biggest difference with their delay and something like SoundToys Echoboy is simply the GUI and how it's directing you to utilize it's parameters. Might be an interesting video for the future.
@russell_szabados
@russell_szabados 3 жыл бұрын
I love assigning all the sends to a single VCA. That’s a great idea! Re: using SlickEQ, I use Logic and can use its text area below the Master to remind myself to adjust its output. Guess I’ll just have to replace my usual note “MAS-TER! MAS-TER!” That joke was getting old anyway. Thx, Dan!
@djminddrum
@djminddrum 5 жыл бұрын
also easy way is to use sound level meter set on C weight and slow response and never exceed around 80dB-ish in your mixing position and always have a few reference tracks to check your mix... and do not forget to create triangle position with your speakers which should be levelled with your ears to hear everything properly not mentioning some bass traps and absorption panels also speaker stands to separate them form and source like desk etc. as they create some unwanted frequencies, also use some full range speakers such as auratone or avantone or behritone... and mix in mono then check the stereo image; pure basics.... anyway love your videos the best youtube channel the most informative
@catalystAl
@catalystAl 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t use monitor EQ but have learned how to listen at different levels & multiple monitor types at Flat settings. I usually listen at very low levels for the last part of my mix process, to hear loudness differences better.
@Tarnith
@Tarnith 5 жыл бұрын
Really interesting approach. I've been aware of equal loudness contours for some time, but I never really thought about implementing them to reduce ear fatigue! Thanks for sharing
@magmakum4628
@magmakum4628 5 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to try this method on my mixes tomorrow. I always mix loud, because when I turn down the volume I make bad decisions. Thanks Dan, I fucking love your channel.
@Rhythmattica
@Rhythmattica 5 жыл бұрын
Hear here.... ;)
@Bluelagoonstudios
@Bluelagoonstudios Жыл бұрын
That monitoring tab is just ace in Reaper. Cheers, good to see you back.
@diogoguedes
@diogoguedes 3 жыл бұрын
Youre our David Attenborough, Dan. Thank you.
@cyrillec135
@cyrillec135 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best trick I learned in years
@sgfdancecompany
@sgfdancecompany 8 ай бұрын
Great trick Dan, is a smart way to make your level mixing workflow works in all range
@torbjorn.hedberg
@torbjorn.hedberg 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Perfect trick. It has instantly gone in to my default Cubase template.
@biged3175
@biged3175 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dan, you've literally saved my ears.
@cjcurcio
@cjcurcio Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this! This is so helpful! I need to add this to my Monitoring FX Chain!
@joncurtis3913
@joncurtis3913 5 жыл бұрын
Love the Slick EQ output change trick. Certainly a must-try. 👍
@joelonsdale
@joelonsdale 3 жыл бұрын
Very clever indeed. I'll be trying that myself... I do like to mix at a reasonably high level and find I'm only good for 6 hours... This might just extend that.
@TheTwicked
@TheTwicked 3 жыл бұрын
You are such an inspirational and wonderful communicator of music production tips!!
@Tony-Stockport
@Tony-Stockport 6 ай бұрын
This just popped up on youtube for me and I'm grateful it did. Being older I'm aware that I'm not hearing clearly in all the frequencies. I tend to push the higher frequencies because I'm deficit there and until I crank the monitors up I don't get the balance that younger ears get. So this is a neat trick to compensate at lower volume. I'm going to try putting Pro-Eq3 on the master channel then just bypass when cranked up. Should work, right? PS You're a class act for helping the blind person.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 6 ай бұрын
Yes, shouldn't be too hard to match the curve in Q3 and then you'll have a zero latency option. Would recommend using monitor section / control room / whatever instead of master channel, if you have such an option, in case you forget to bypass before rendering. PS. No I would have been an asshole if I didn't.
@Tony-Stockport
@Tony-Stockport 6 ай бұрын
@@DanWorrall Thanks for confirmation. Have 'Preview' channel which I usually delete, now I know why they put it there! PS Let's just agree that you're not an a-hole and I'll quietly think you're a class act.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 6 ай бұрын
@Tony-Stockport I don't know your DAW, but it sounds like you found the equivalent feature.
@Tony-Stockport
@Tony-Stockport 6 ай бұрын
@@DanWorrall It's Cakewalk. Not highly rated but unbelievable compared to the Yamaha MT-100 that I first recorded on in the 80's. Trying telling the kids today ...
@damnfractal
@damnfractal 5 жыл бұрын
Truly great content, Dan, never stop creating!
@gepmrk
@gepmrk 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago I did a gig at a club where, in order to not sound ridiculous, the band I was in decided to play at a volume that was approaching the level of the music the DJ was playing in between sets i.e. stupidly loud. I couldn't tell the difference between neighbouring keys anymore. If the tune was in E, and I played in F, it made absolutely no audible difference to my ears. The hardest frequencies to hear, of course, were the bass frequencies.
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
Ouch. It should be legal to shoot DJs when they do that.
@AftertuneMusic
@AftertuneMusic 3 жыл бұрын
2:36 i listen to someone in the backgroud? is it possible?
@mimidhof2179
@mimidhof2179 4 жыл бұрын
Nice, I missed it, hopefully I see it now...super great tip.
@ideosound
@ideosound 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, I often prefer to mix quieter for long periods, so this approach will help. I love using Reaper!
@poetnprophet
@poetnprophet 5 жыл бұрын
Dan, you always deliver something unique and useful. I love learning about Reaper. I use another trick in Reaper (inspired by you!) to monitor preFX and post FX on the same track to gain match processing, using JS Channel Router 1/2 to 3/4 as the 1st plug, works great when using folders as busses as long as you're not having to sidechain directly from those tracks.
@Taylor_King
@Taylor_King 3 жыл бұрын
could you elaborate what you mean exactly if you don't mind? i use reaper too and very curious exactly what the trick is; i half follow haha
@ArguZ72
@ArguZ72 2 жыл бұрын
I have a "neighbour pleaser" setting in form of a nicely tuned Bax EQ in my monitor chain :) Kicks in after 8 o clock to keep em out of the place in the evening.
@TazzSmk
@TazzSmk 5 жыл бұрын
awesome tip! also it's great a demo version can be used, because dialing in a preset manually takes just a second :)
@StephenAntKneeBk5
@StephenAntKneeBk5 5 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Thank you. I'll try this for sure (Cubase Pro 10).
@lucasturney4269
@lucasturney4269 11 ай бұрын
It's rare that I find anything that's this useful after doing this for some years now, but this is massively helpful... and, as I mix at notoriously low levels, and own SlickEQ M, so I'm more than familiar with it, I feel a slightly stupid for not having thought of this before. 8/ And as a bonus? The title of the video doesn't even contain the words "Trick" or "hack" in it!! XD
@timocarliermusic
@timocarliermusic 3 жыл бұрын
OMG - Reaper-extensions - loudness?? I was playing tracks from start to finish through YouLean each time!
@codesymphony
@codesymphony 3 жыл бұрын
smart. never thought to use a plugin to counter the fletcher munson curve. will have to try this
@XChristianNoirX
@XChristianNoirX 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. This fixes so many issues it's ridiculous.
@cryptout
@cryptout 3 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome tip! I use the dim function in Cubase all the time and this I got to try.
@moredillinja2870
@moredillinja2870 Жыл бұрын
In my OPINION, 95% of videos I've seen on this topic get it completely wrong about Fletcher-Munson; saying stuff like "your ears compress sound at high pressure levels" (???), or "high dB levels overhype bass" (???). So much bad advice out there. This video is the only one I've seen which applies thinking that I agree with, namely: the human ear has more accurate response at higher sound pressure levels / becomes less and less accurate as pressure levels are reduced. That the ears fatigue quicker at high dB (or hearing get damaged) is beside the point. If Fletcher-Munson is correct, then at 100dB human ears provide the flattest (read: most accurate) response. "If it sounds good quietly, it will sound even better cranked up" is the single worst piece of advice I ever took on! Took me about 20 years of struggling with mastering to realize. A more solid thing to say would be "Get your tone work to sound good at high dB (assuming your monitoring/acoustics situation is on point) and that'll be far more important than anything else, including how it sounds quietly". Tone work at quiet levels (60dB) potentially can kill all hope of translation, because the ear is simply not accurate at that level (that's before taking into account anything to do with acoustics or monitoring); it's like a blind man trying to paint / mix colors. That EL curve setting is good thinking: a good temporary workaround. Still no comparison to the real thing though. Sorry for essay!😂😂😂 I had to get it out.
@telamaes
@telamaes 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing idea. I'm glad I found your channel!
@roomofidiots
@roomofidiots 3 жыл бұрын
2bus->print track->monitoring. No need to remember to bypass any eq’s or sonarworks
@unclemick-synths
@unclemick-synths 3 жыл бұрын
It's like the old "loudness" button on record players (though we used to leave it on all the time 😀)
@bakedcreations8985
@bakedcreations8985 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant dude with brilliant tips 👏
@JohnFraserFindlay
@JohnFraserFindlay Жыл бұрын
Them Changes-Buddy Miles!
@michaelscott1199
@michaelscott1199 5 жыл бұрын
Great tip Dan. Thx for sharing!
@mvh2275
@mvh2275 3 жыл бұрын
Dan, you just sold Slick EQ-M to me. lol Thanks! mvh
@sigmundklaus
@sigmundklaus 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Fletcher-Munson curve applies to listening on headphones?
@Latino_Studio
@Latino_Studio 3 жыл бұрын
yes it is applied to your ear not to the gear
@mmcb5199
@mmcb5199 3 жыл бұрын
It will be more accurate as you have no masking etc from your room
@caustixsoda8125
@caustixsoda8125 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!!! Good Vids... quality is A+++!!!!
@antoinebalaine2061
@antoinebalaine2061 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Instant adopt.
@LaMusicaEsTuDios
@LaMusicaEsTuDios 3 жыл бұрын
RME TotalMix FX has eq with presets, dim, snapshots, layout presets built in for all tracks and monitoring ch.(speakers and/or headphones) and a mastering grade metering tool called DigiCheck. Slick as f@ck. Just like their hardware products.
@Cronosounds
@Cronosounds 3 жыл бұрын
So could you effectively do this inside of total mix ?
@VNDM-MUSIC
@VNDM-MUSIC 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan! That is a solid tip: def will try this.
@bruno_p
@bruno_p 5 жыл бұрын
This is where you should find any audio engineer, even the ones with proficious youtube channels
@DjNikGnashers
@DjNikGnashers 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, with genuinely brilliant advice.
@allyemeraart
@allyemeraart 3 жыл бұрын
your videos are so incredibly informative. subscribed!
@lmusik2417
@lmusik2417 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!🙏🏼
@joost3783
@joost3783 5 жыл бұрын
this channel is so underrated its hilarious - Dan do you have a suggestion for an alternative plugin? Or is the Slick the only one you've run across?
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 5 жыл бұрын
It's the only one I know of, but you could probably dial in something close enough with any decent EQ plugin.
@joost3783
@joost3783 5 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall Thanks for the quick response dude - i just had an idea though. If you were up for bouncing me a sec of white noise through your curve and upload the before and after file, i could actually match the eq curve i think xD - only if u got the time though, i would like to try this ;D
@macostello
@macostello 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan. Good idea. .
@jonnymak1079
@jonnymak1079 Жыл бұрын
Great video I can tell u mix from your ears more then just #z Good stuff and just subscribed.
@balamde687
@balamde687 11 ай бұрын
wish i could give it a Like again. so useful. thanks again! 👍
@aesaire
@aesaire 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, why do you use an output volume of -8 dB while only using -2 dB on the equal loudness curve? Based on the Slick EQ M manual, EL Curve: One dB is roughly equivalent to the (spectral) effect a 2dB change in sound pressure level will produce. Doesn't that mean you need a value of -4 db on the EL curve to mix at -8 dB of output?
@codesymphony
@codesymphony 3 жыл бұрын
he probably doesn't want to overdo it, just compensate a little bit
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I must have missed this question... Basically, 4dB just seems too much to me. I have a couple of hypotheses: I assume the equal loudness data is averaged over many people; I don't know to what degree it varies from person to person. And I assume that my brain already takes the overall loudness into account and attempts to compensate, so I'm just trying to help it along rather than take over completely. Probably best you experiment a little: choose how much attenuation you want for your quiet setting, then tweak the compensating EQ until the quiet version sounds most like the loud version to your ears. You may end up with a different setting to me, and that's fine if so.
@BS-te3mn
@BS-te3mn 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for the tips! I also love your reaper skin!
@h.hristov
@h.hristov 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing trick. Thanks a lot!
@anthonylee3311
@anthonylee3311 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip, thank you
@ownedbymykitty270
@ownedbymykitty270 5 жыл бұрын
That was a fantastic tutorial! Thank you!!
@AlexReidStudios
@AlexReidStudios 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Dan! Excellent video. This technique's parameters work for anyone? Or did you tweak the parameters for your ears? I mean, if I wanna try this but I don't have Slick EQ M, I should copy the exact parameters you have here?
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
My settings are likely to be a good starting point, but you should probably tweak things until they're optimum for your ears and your workflow.
@AlexReidStudios
@AlexReidStudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall thank you so much for your quick answer!
@MikeBrayton
@MikeBrayton 3 жыл бұрын
How do you assign all your effect returns to a VCA fader? Specifically in Cubase, I have all the various send levels going to a particular reverb. Is the idea to group all those send levels together into a VCA fader? Is that even possible? I know I can just pull the overall volume down on the FX channel itself, but what if I don't want to do that?
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
Returns, not sends. I can't remember how cubase handles VCAs, but basically just assign all effect return channels to the same VCA. And yes, its literally just turning all your reverb down at once.
@MikeBrayton
@MikeBrayton 3 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall I guess the problem is I've never really come to terms with the concept of a "return" in digital. So we're just talking about the volume fader then... I was actually researching the other day the idea of trying to group send levels together, in to a quick-link for just a quick fix, but came up short. I do think though that the answer may be in a VCA, though those aren't "quick" in the same way the "quick-link" feature is. Thanks for the great content.
@ezyTvids
@ezyTvids 2 жыл бұрын
Super helpful thanks for that!
@estevanovich
@estevanovich 7 ай бұрын
Hey Dan! Could you make a tutorial for those who have Pro-Q?
@tcb6771
@tcb6771 5 жыл бұрын
It is an interesting trick.Thank you
@shane_taylor
@shane_taylor 3 ай бұрын
This is fantastic and I have added it to my monitoring chain in Reaper. I do have a question, though. I wondered how you arrived at -2dB and the value of -8dB output level, the latter being a little more intuitive 😉. In the SlickEQ M manual, under the Meta Filter Amount, it states the following: "EL Curve: One dB is roughly equivalent to the (spectral) effect a 2dB change in sound pressure level will produce." Which I would have interpreted, based on the text alone and not my ears, to use an Amount of -4dB instead o f-2dB for a -8dB reduction in level. I must admit that -2dB sounds about right to my ears, but wondered how you arrived at your value and how would you interpret the above sentence? Cheers!
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 ай бұрын
That just felt right to me. I don't really understand the scaling of that parameter either...
@philipdunck5825
@philipdunck5825 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, all your tutorials seems to give an upgrade in my Producer/Mixing Engineer career. For that I thank you man, you're the best. Do you have any paid and more depth Mixing Course so we can buy online and download it? It would be really helpful. Thanks, Phil
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Philip. Not at the moment I'm afraid. Maybe I'll get something organised one day...
@philipdunck5825
@philipdunck5825 5 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrallOk, hoping to see it soon.
@G_handle
@G_handle 4 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall PLEASE DO! I would love to buy your course.
@gnastygames
@gnastygames Жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, I would love to hear what you think about other Variety of Sound (VOS) plugins, like the NastyVCS or Density mkIII, as he has recently updated most of his plugins to 64 bit.
@Atezian
@Atezian 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou! Im certainly going to try it out for a few months. How trustworthy is that eq response button though? And is it tied to the input db or the output knobs? These are questions i wonder about. You click a button and maybe it isnt coded properly and doesnt do what it should but you get placebo and think it is. In any case i trust your judgement dan. Cheers
@NBSStudioMusic
@NBSStudioMusic 2 жыл бұрын
there is any way to get this curve with Pro-Q 3? a preset...?
@iuihlutuk
@iuihlutuk 2 жыл бұрын
Plugin Doctor might help matching those freq curve and then export it for Kirchhoff EQ 🤭
@briancase6180
@briancase6180 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. You know, I'm thinking slickeq should be renamed shyeq: its boring, unassuming interface hides a bunch of important and unique features. But I guess most fabfilter plugins are similar in that regard....
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
*Slick EQ M. Not Slick EQ. I advised them to rename it entirely actually, before they released it, to avoid confusion with the existing Slick EQ plugin. But they ignored me :)
@briancase6180
@briancase6180 3 жыл бұрын
@@DanWorrall ugh, right. I'm getting confused between the vanilla (free), GM, and now M versions. It's important to be precise (not insane). I think you're right: it deserves a unique, distinct name.
@WHITERATPRIME1234567
@WHITERATPRIME1234567 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great idea!
@74goldenjet
@74goldenjet 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos and the way you explain things. Lots of great tips and tricks. Thank you very much ♥ There is an interesting topic (at least for me) which I can't find much info on. I love 80s synthpop and compose music, heavily inspired by acts from the early 80s. I really wonder how did they create fantasy "landscapes" or scenery with reverbs? It seems to be a lost art. How do you go about creating the space like in A Victory Of Love by Alphaville, or All The Things You Said by Depeche Mode? It would be incredibly interesting if you have some knowledge to share about this. Another interesting topic is panning by frequency, like some of the older Fleetwood Mac Records. Cheers :)
@Audiomishran
@Audiomishran 4 жыл бұрын
DAN you're awesome.
@andymcbain5441
@andymcbain5441 5 жыл бұрын
God tier.
@philburns5656
@philburns5656 3 жыл бұрын
Great tipp! But do I get it right that the loudness compensation only is active for the -2dB of the center wheel, but not for the -8dB of the output "calibration"? So it's just a "partly" compensation?
@DanWorrall
@DanWorrall 3 жыл бұрын
It's a good question. You would think I would need "8dB" of filtering to compensate 8dB of attenuation, but that just seemed way too extreme. Either its not intended to work like that, or the "full" compensation just seems too much because i expect to hear a different spectral balance at low levels. Whatever; I just experimented and went with the settings that work for me: you should do the same, and don't necessarily expect your ideal settings to be exactly the same as mine.
@philburns5656
@philburns5656 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much @@DanWorrall! Absolutely makes sense.
@krassebewegtbilder
@krassebewegtbilder 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be better to correct the frequency response of your gear (Headphones/Speakers) at this stage?
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