Why is Split-Screen Multiplayer Hard? - Dragon Ball Sparking Zero

[@GoldenPSP]

Just wanted to address some common comments on this video! 1. "The developers could've implemented proper split-screen" YES! And I agree that they should've. The point of this video is explaining why implementing it typically requires planning. 2. "If the PS1 and PS2 could do it, it should be easier on the PS5" NO! The cost of split screen will ALWAYS be 2x the cost of rendering a view at whatever cut resolution. Meaning if you're pushing the hardware to its limit with just one view, you need to optimize. PS1 and PS2 games typically started production with local multiplayer in mind, so optimization is factored from the beginning. Sparking ZERO developers didn't start local multiplayer until later in development. This split-screen limitation is also the same limitation that's holding back Virtual Reality headsets. You have to have the processing power to render to each eye, which is why VR apps are typically less beautiful looking than their regular counterparts. 3. "They just want to force online multiplayer so people buy consoles" Probably. I wasn't really arguing against that in this video. In fact I mention the fact that the success of Xenoverse is probably what led to the decision to focus on online multiplayer and not put resources towards local multiplayer. 4. "Sparking doesn't look that realistic, what is stressing the console?" Particle simulation and destructible environment logic is more intensive than you might think. This is what was cited by the devs as a major bottleneck on processing power.

[@videoMainmanChristopher]

sparkin zero want last and have playback value if it's just mainly focused online when they cut the internet off the game will be useless. when you download the game and buy all them DLCs the corporation might say you don't physically own the game so we can take it back so you'll be renting a game & game console eventually

[@lebeaumuni6247]

I suspect a lot of people complaining are just upset you didn’t use “anger video game nerd” voice. Like if you just said “sleaze company was too dumb to prepare, and then they low effort the room of spirit and time” then explained how cameras/effects/gpu/ect work they might have paid more attention 😂 However thank you for giving a healthy opinion though!

[@bloodmoney7968]

Still, PS2 BT3 had an amazing graphics, physics, animation, models and effects and still had the split screen. For such an important feature they could've factored it in from the beginning like you say. Let's not forget how much more powerful the PS5 are compared to the PS2. I belive that time and budget contrainst are more at fault here.

[@niftylittlename]

​@@bloodmoney7968 arent you kind repeating the first statement? Saying the ps5 is strong doesnt mean anything besides that we need ps5 times x2 now. Bt3 was pretty within the limits of split screen, because they knew the limit. This game is pretty beyond the limits of split screen, because that limit didnt exist in their minds, so now they have to drag the game down to local multiplayer level, which they did.

[@bloodmoney7968]

@@niftylittlename Ok, just so i can explain my point better, from a quick google search in 2014 "Sony claimed" that the ps4 is 43 times more powerful than the ps2. Now, let's get ps5 out of the way for a second since most of the extra power is getting wasted on 4k resolution and "higher and more stable framerate". How am i supposed to belive that a machine that's 43+ times more powerful than the ps2 can't handle a splitscreen? I am not blind, i can see that the game has a bunch of new and added effects, but I can also see that the character models for example have clearly visible edges meaning that ( for an artistic standpoint too) we can't really compare Sparking Zero with say, The Last of Us 2 or a similiar game. So my conclusion is that more than a power contraint we are in front of a time, budget and economic reason. And as an added reason, also another reason that would make more sense to me and that i haven't seen mentioned anywhere would be game visibility, since even with a wide screen, all the new 2d rubble effect cover 90% of the screen.

[@lk69ak65bl1]

Honestly the fact that they were able to do split screen in a limited function makes me happy.

[@wingedhussar1453]

Any other company would have said wer not doing it we don't care. But here they seem to cater to fans which is nice. Yes they want to make money first but theyr doing it right

[@yungblade7]

​@@wingedhussar1453 they probably thought about how ass it would be to not be able to play with friends irl

[@GabEGoo]

Nah, budokai tenkaichi games were popular because we used to play it with friends and siblings after school, taking that away and making it limited is just plain stupid. It’s like pretending super smash bros would be good if it was only online multiplayer

[@VaasharP]

@@GabEGoo I hate to break it to you but smash has a big online scene

[@2HORNSREDEYES]

@@VaasharP but smash came up on couch co-op and local play. you can’t take away what made the series stand out .. The whole point of fighting games is to compete Local or online.. if a series has been delivering something from then beginning it’s expected that a new release would have those features returning

[@inkchariot6147]

They chose the Time Chamber because there's plenty of screen space and no obstructions. I hope they can make different versions of stages that have local play in mind.

[@AshuraXDemon]

Maybe a stage in space would be cool! Similar to the one in BT3.

[@MastermindAtWork]

@@AshuraXDemon That I'm 100% OK with and it makes sense too. Little to no destructible objects to keep the frame rate high while giving players some variety

[@yungblade7]

It would be dope if they added the extreme weather features for the chamber

[@catmandew7431]

i was thinking about the TOP

[@TreadywayYT]

@@MastermindAtWorkfinally smart people

[@123hattan]

This just reminds me of the fiasco with Pokemon Sword and Shield when they excused not making all Pokemon available behind "trying to do high quality animations". I know Sparking Zero is definitely not made cheapily, but come on, why do we keep boasting a new console generation, generally newer PC graphics cards when all we do is half-measures? It should at least be a toggle, if ever they are worried about famedrops dropping, to just lower the graphics for local. The PC community will just release a mod and it will quickly prove that local mode can run smoothly on other maps.

[@teezus2036]

The difference between the 2 games is Sparking Zero's excuse is somewhat valid as most players nowadays aren't willing to accept drops in quality even if it serves a purpose. Whereas with Pokemon, the devs we're just being lazy

[@BrinkWeb]

Good explanation! I think the developer should add more stages with simple backdrops like "outer space" or "the deadzone" or something.

[@RinRinStrikes]

this video is how i found out Fortnite had split screen

[@LgHeccyboi]

this is so real

[@TreadywayYT]

And it’s terrible too much stuff on here

[@Nicknam316]

This comment is the reason why I found out that Fortnite has split-screen

[@Woter_X]

The fact that you had dementia a fortnight on a Dragon Ball Z game that’s using unreal engine that is ruining the gaming industry, the new dragon Ball Z game is going to suck. And it’s such a shame because it’s 2024 with stronger conscious, we still keep experiencing the same shit

[@LgHeccyboi]

@@Woter_X Brother I understand your concern, but calm down. The new dbz game will be fine.

[@blackzinq]

Thanks now i understand why Split-screen is so hard to do it and i’m shocked!

[@powerup7744]

I wonder if a space stage can work as an map for split screen ?

[@BrinkWeb]

I just said the same thing before reading your comment! Haha and also the Deadzone of course!

[@powerup7744]

@@BrinkWeb the developers needs to see our suggestions in the comments lol

[@Wizofmincraft]

It most likely could, really any map without alot going on

[@powerup7744]

@@Wizofmincraft the devs needs to see our comments fr lol

[@whowantsfreepizza4507]

I can see them possibly making the world tournament stage split-screen compatible. Obviously they’d have to lock it to the small mode to minimise destruction.

[@optimumplatinum2640]

Remember that while the hardware is stronger, remember that there is a lot to render now, meaning that in order to get things running even at 30 fps, it would take much more than the ps2 games

[@koray47815]

Remember that games back then had to be omptimized to even run remotely like they did back then. Most devs nowadays dont event do that *cough* call of duty *cough* *cough*

[@lionsenkei1621]

Love how they say the new consoles are better but every time they say they have restrictions. Naw they want maximum profit

[@CorelUser]

Dog, it's not a console hardware issue.

[@tsukkidreams]

I get the technical limitation stuff and that the logic behind split screen is tough to implement but it's sad that a console which only appeal is the technical aspects can't handle this 10+ year old feature, did the PS2 have 2 GPUs? That thing could handle split screen. To me it's just annoying that we can praise Spider Man 2 for having instantaneous load times but we gotta justify Sparking Zero not having split screen, despite every single previous game of this series having it, with the playstation ones being just as taxing on the PS2 as Sparking Zero is on the PS5

[@oKenshinHimura]

If they really wanted to make the players happy, they could just allow all the maps but depending on the map allow us to toggle off certain things in the map destruction/interaction or even all of it. They honestly have no excuse for it. They could have added the Space map which for sure also is a simple one, yet they didn't. Also, online multiplayer is paid...

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Basically speaking, it's just a really taxing process. It sucks to see couch multiplayer dwindle in nature but the more and more we push the boundaries of games, the harder split screen is to do. Kinda as mentioned in this video, the gamers of today are not the gamers of the olden days. Where once 30fps was the norm and acceptable, gamers get mad if a game is locked at 60fps. The average casual gamer of today doesn't care for functionality, they care for graphical fidelity and how smooth it can run. Most people probably wouldn't even give PS2 games a shot just because they're low poly. It's sad but the truth. No matter which compromise the devs did to make split screen work, there's always going to be a group of people mad about it.

[@umanoomgombi3842]

They cant just lower the resolution like they used to for split-screen, wow game development has gotten lazy.

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@umanoomgombi3842 You a developer? You can't just call devs lazy. When something isn't planned from the start, it becomes harder to implement. It's likely that split screen is more doable on later gen consoles and PC, however because publishers want this on last gen too, they can't do version exclusive stuff either. So a compromise has to be made and you have to make a compromise that most people will be happy with. And the casual crowd right now really, really, really likes graphical fidelity over functionality.

[@umanoomgombi3842]

@@CrimsoniteSP nah they're just cheap, quit sucking them off.

[@darshansooful9559]

@@umanoomgombi3842unfortunately it’s a lot more complicated than just lowering resolution. Plus doing that doesn’t change the fact that the game still needs to render twice, and adding on the extra work of activity lowering textures on models and your console will probably blow up

[@ians_parks]

@@CrimsoniteSP It not being planned from the start is baffling and a major fail on the developers' part. This is just another case of studios prioritizing graphics at the cost of fun gameplay. Releasing a half assed split screen mode at the last minute after fan outcry does not deserve applause Just delay the game, it'll be better for it.

[@owithani]

a lot of the "whys" should've been obvious to me but they weren't. thanks for pointing them out

[@GurrenPrime]

Thank you for this video. I was confused as to why split screen was difficult, but this makes sense now. I know that there are some people like to play BT3 competitively, so I’m glad for their sake as well that Sparking Zero will have an option, even if it’s only one stage. Guess it’ll just be this game’s “Final Destination” of sorts, lol.

[@proxy90909]

I am glad that they put it in after they planed not too, but c'mon can a dev really not figure out splitscreen when it was invented 20 years earlier? Let's be real its not in game and it may bs hard to implement because they didn't intend to put it in from the get go, if they had worked on it with split screen in mind they could have made all other functions work around, the consoles can't handle it? Really? We got 4K 60fps 32 Gb ram and 4k+ series graphics cards and all that only for developers to be like "not enough space/power for a 15 year old feature" They want to _encourage_ people to buy more consoles or not bother optimizing stuff, but I get it developers and publishers aren't the same people and consoles limit the maximum thats PC achievable so I am happy they at least tried (even tho its basically backpedalling)

[@DoctorMario606]

The fact they have to render all those effects twicr is why

[@kennethseries248]

Excellent breakdown of this topic. Hope to see your channel blow up

[@Codecuts1]

Honestly, yeah, I understand why they chose to have limited split screen. Of course it hurts that they didn't consider it at the start of development, especially as someone who doesn't have PS+ so I can't play online anyway.

[@ArdaU]

I get it but still PS5 and Series X so weak that even an anime game can't do split screen properly meanwhile PS2 was lowering the resolution and fps for almost every game but it had so limited power so it was understanble but for current gen I don't think so

[@samuelleie]

They can, but the Devs didn't choose to have this game mode at all. That implies that the game would not be optimized to this mode. So if they had decided at the beginning of the development that the game would have split-screen, it probably would work better.

[@crestofhonor2349]

PS2 games were designed with split screen in mind from the start. Plus the split screen in the PS2/Wii/Gamecube games all had reduced effects in split screen. This game was never designed with it and quickly added it in. You still have to optimize for the additional viewport that is now rendering the game from a different view.

[@Transport4ThatDumpTruck]

You have to remember the series s also I saw on reddit its actually the problem not the ps5 or series x.

[@ArdaU]

@@Transport4ThatDumpTruck they can remove that feature for series s users right?

[@Transport4ThatDumpTruck]

@ArdaU if Microsoft allows it. I think its in an agreement that the s must have majority features the x gets so im praying the ps5 and series x gets extra stages later on the line because why do we have to suffer because of the s? It's been nothing but a problem this gen but people will still defend it

[@NingenVRC]

Bruh if this shit is doable on raging blast on a ps2, there could have been a workaround, it’s just laziness and no will to optimize, it’s such a shame

[@Oiinchi]

if you didn't know RB also had saceifices specially when it came maps, each map was degraded from original look, like destroyed city looking less destroyed and Wasteland having biggest sacrifice and that is Trees and some destructive mountains, and also destructible floors were removed too for local The thing with Sparking Zero that it was made to get advantage of the new gen power with unreal engine with the best graphics and looks possible and they didn't have local in mind, now that they do, Time Chamber was really logical, because how split screen works is basically running the game two times on same system, its like you when you accidentally run two high quality games at same time on your pc, thats why Time Chamber map was chosen because it's less destructible

[@PeterSkaOi]

Raging blast was on ps3 not ps2

[@elnino530]

The issue for me and many others are that our friends cannot afford the game or simply have other games that are cheaper and bigger on their wishlist backlogs, so in many friend groups, one or maybe two will purchase the game, the rest will use steam remote play together with those who purchased the game to play split screen with each other, and only a single map will really destroy the amount of times you can replay the game with your friends before it becomes boring due to the environments They don't have to make all the maps open, but what about just 5 of them? Like small maps such as a tournament stage with not much going on other than flat ground? They made the game too expensive in 3rd world countries to not have good local multiplayer support, and I don't trust Bandai with online multiplayer ever since they messed up *all* the Naruto games online play, including the one marketed towards specifically online play. Even till today, whilst my friends also have the Naruto games, when we play together, we rather play via Steam remote play together (SRPT), since we won't suffer from the 2 second input lag and random disconnects lol. They obviously keep messing it up and never fixing it, so I'd prefer them to just put more focus where they are good at.

[@Woter_X]

I agree. All they do is focus on graphics and expanding the world and making things destructible yet ignore the actual gameplay itself. We all like the PlayStation 2 version to the point that we would’ve accepted sparking zero to also have the same graphics and we would not be complaining. We would have more characters and more things that were able to do that we weren’t able to do on a PlayStation two. But no, they filled those, empty spots with flashy, cut scenes and graphics that limits the actual gameplay.

[@chillmanmax775]

​@@Woter_X... have you ever played sparking zero? why are you commenting on gameplay you havent even gotten your hands on? bt3 also had flashiness everywhere, literally do any dragon rush..

[@chillmanmax775]

i think thats the plan, i just believe that theyll continuously update the game at launch. the game is clearly full of love, abd its definitely not gonna be abandoned at launch, so dont lose hope over splitscreen being supported more

[@Woter_X]

@@chillmanmax775 you have no idea what your talking about. Maybe you should go look at videos of what pros actually say about this game instead of spewing out nonsense. And also I have played the game twice so shut up.

[@Chickensea10]

Don't forget with every unreal engine update, this game can be slowly updated as well! Thanks for the info and at least we got it implemented for future work!

[@Kevinix-cf4tj]

Yeah that’s not how it works btw

[@Chickensea10]

@@Kevinix-cf4tj oh?

[@RevolverLee]

You stick to the version if unreal you develop on, not update to the latest version of Unreal

[@Teika101]

Unfortunately, that isn't the case... You would typically stick to working on one engine version as its a lot of work to transfer a whole made game to another version of an engine due to multiple things being changed in unreal engine. For example unreal engine 5.0 has a now inferior way of getting button inputs but 5.3 has a new one. But if you were to transfer a whole game developed for years on 5.0 to 5.3 you could kiss all controls and such goodbye and its a lot of work to fix every little thing and opens the possibilities of hundreds of new bugs due to new lighting and ways objects interact with one another.

[@LgHeccyboi]

@@Teika101 This is actually really helpful, thank you 🙏🏽

[@omegaspam5080]

for a (no offense) decently small youtuber the animation and explanation so good on this vid

[@AlanJonesu]

Thank you for this bit of insight. It makes me appreciate Baldur's Gate 3 more since I play splitcreen with someone while playing online with other friends via Parsec.

[@3elawi]

Most anticipated of 2024? more like of the decade shit maybe even of the whole century. I haven't seen this much hype in a minute

[@5XXFelipe]

Gta 6?

[@3elawi]

@@5XXFelipe idgaf bout that one compared to bt4.

[@5XXFelipe]

@@3elawi Sure but in general i would say gta 6 is more anticipated, but maybe that's just me

[@mohammedalghamdi3737]

Still doesn’t explain why theres still a limitation on PC since hardware isn’t an issue, as the user can decrease the graphical settings to suit their needs.

[@Woter_X]

Bro, it’s unreal engine. That shitty engine is ruining the gaming industry and limiting and making things look so ugly.

[@Supremepie]

I can see your channel growing to hundreds of thousands of views , keep up the good content, subbed!

[@WhiteLionProd15]

Great video but online multiplayer does not substitute the lack of splitscreen like being on discord isn't sharing a room. One does not make up for the lack of the other

[@matitone]

I blame the series s for this, microsoft demands feature parity between the 2 consoles and they probably couldn't get everything to run on series s so they decided to do this comprimise, i bet that when it comes out on pc we'll be able to force loading another stage and it will work fine

[@VaasharP]

As someone who is playing this with my brother, i dont care about the stage, im just happy its here at all. Plus we can get more stages in the future. The episode battles alone will keep things entertaining if we wanna try and do creative scenarios.

[@RaiginAnimator]

As someone who only plans on playing this with split screen I understand and I’m excepting The effects are still beautiful and I can at least enjoy the single player loads

[@0yotam]

no split screen -> no game. its as simple as that for me the fact that its 1 stage only makes me disgusted of bad game design.

[@baggelissonic]

There is still zero reason for split-screen to not be enabled on PC. Also, it's more than possible that just locking the fps to 30 would enable more stages to be playable even if it's only a small amount of them. It's 2024 and it's running on UE5, I doubt that the game's Physics and animations. If you ask me, I would even be satisfied with a low particle and low shadows option if it meant I would be able to play split screen on more stages. It's a 1v1 fighting game for goodness sake, of course people will want to play split screen on it.

[@hurricane7727]

Agreed. DragonBall Raging Blast games on the Ps3 could have Split Screen

[@baggelissonic]

@@hurricane7727 well, not really the same thing. At least in this case, split screen functionality is fully programmed into the game. It's just a toggle they have decided to turn off for some stages.

[@kevin76165]

Did you watch the video? frame rate determines much more things than just how fast the game is…

[@hurricane7727]

@@baggelissonic weird since a Ps3 and Ps2 could handle Split Screen

[@TabiOwusu]

@@hurricane7727so a ps3 can run sparking zero ?

[@TheArremNoire]

I hope we at least get a stage in space for split screen. Like it’d be very similar to the Time Chamber as far as emptiness goes. I also wish they could have a toggle for stage damage effects because what’s stopping the devs from making split screen will also make it difficult for online when players have lackluster internet connections.

[@OperationDecoded]

Creating a spirit successor, without considering at the beginning of the development the feature that made them appealing. Brilliant. So cheap, lazy and greedy? Absolutely. The fact that they focused so much on overblown effects (which if I could tone down in a setting absolutely would) shows that the devs had completely different priorities during development...

[@wassafshahzad8618]

are you stupid ? He went over the reasons why it wasn't feasible . it isn't the 2000s anymore, whether you like it or not focusing on online multiple was the right choice as it allows for cross console matches thus effectively increasing the player base for every one and not having 3 separate subsets per console.

[@daboi2126]

And I thought western developers were out of touch.” Yeah let’s leave out one of the most important features to this series of game! They’ll see goku on the cover and buy anyways!” Very stupid. The original fans aren’t dead yet.

[@realscrumpus]

they didn't leave it out and they don't just think people will buy it because goku's on the box? you haven't kept up with the dev commentary at all and it absolutely shows 💀

[@daboi2126]

@@realscrumpus nah I haven’t fr, but you can’t lie fans well buy anything with some dragon ball paraphernalia plastered onto it

[@blok--head7472]

There is a Tenkaichi 4 mod for ps2, which has splitscreen. (Plus DBSuper characters.) So at least there's that... doesn't make Sparking Zeros case any better, but there is an alternative.

[@liamsantana9001]

I have an idea of what they can do to keep split screen but also have an selection of maps: 1. Space, alot of "space" is in the space maps for example in xenoverse 2 the space map is one of the most spacious maps i mean its literally space 2. Kai relm, its spacious enough for both alot of map destruction and also split screen! 3. Cell games arena, same as kai relm but with more space! 4. Other world, self explanatory (literally just like hyperbolic time chamber but just with floating stone shaped balls in the sky....and rocks in the ground cause why not lol)

[@TheShadowspear2]

They got more than enough money and resources to do things, they're playing with their money. The particle effects shouldn't be a main focus in sparking zero idk why make it that way, raging blast didn't have this issue, only with the camera focus at times other than that it's no excuse.

[@Wizofmincraft]

But sparking zero isn’t a raging blast game tho

[@TheTabbyNeko]

To be fair... If we are completely honest... Vast majority of people wouldn't play local multiplayer. The success of XV2 kinda shows that this feature really isn't important. Would it have been a great feature to have? Sure. Would people use that feature? Absolutely. Will it affect sales of the game? Doubt it. There was really no pressure for Spike Chunsoft to add local multiplayer, so it makes sense that this is the end result.

[@mannaandmonsters]

Give me the framedrops, I wanna play with me brother when he comes over

[@RestrictedRican]

Yes and no dude it is more than possible to render the information in Sparking via split screen, it was more than likely a business decision to scrap a full split feature

[@GoldenPSP]

@@RestrictedRican yep, that's what the first part of the video was explaining! The success of Xenoverse more than likely meant a major push towards online functionality, rather than resources being put towards optimization for split screen. They could've done it (as we see with the Room of Spirit and Time) they just didn't allocate proper development time and resources towards it.

[@dirtbiker08josh]

I never play online. Only split screen. I’m glad they are offering something at least. It’s better than nothing

[@darkzgold1015]

Why not just build split screen stages? Grass or sand or in space stage

[@freekill1018]

One little update to pc and the stronger consoles would fix this...if they'd actually have the stones to dew it...

[@Cibbic]

Many obstructions, alot is going on too and old budokai games didnt have that. Tnis one does so that's why its a challenge for them for this one.

[@ians_parks]

Which is why you account for split screen during the planning stages

[@Cibbic]

@@ians_parks did you not hear, it was too hard meaning they tried.

[@Woter_X]

Well, maybe if they didn’t focus so much on cut scenes and graphics and using a shitty engine called unreal engine. Let’s start from the root of the problem. The second game looks like a mod version of Fortnite, it’s bound to fail.

[@Woter_X]

@@Cibbic how did people who made the first bt3 do it without fail? And that was on a PlayStation 2 and it was still known as the best game.

[@Cibbic]

@@Woter_X do you understand what I said sir ? Older games barely had world details or anything that's system taxing. Today it's alot difficult. if they say it's difficult, be grateful for everything else we are getting.

[@SLISKI_JOHNNY]

I'm not buying it. PS5 and Series X can handle split screen in way more demanding games, so I call bs on that. Borderlands 3 has massive open maps, and still allows split screen with 60 fps. Not to mention that Borderlands 3 maps are bery detailed and have tons of enemies, while DBZ has pretty much empty maps with only 2 participants.

[@justchan2443]

Not a game dev but I think the devs are lazy or/and didn't have the hindsight that people wanted split screen multiplayer. I wouldn't care if the split screen mode had lower resolution and less fancy graphical effects. They could also alter the stages for split screen to make them lower quality. I wouldn't mind that if the overall image look good. Also tinfoil hat theory, they might have not have split screen because of the possible future switch or switch 2 port so all the versions would be the same beside lower resolution and frame rates.

[@LetPlaySpidey18]

Im getting the PC version so I can play online multiplayer I never play with split screen in nothing the Budokai Tenkaichi game so when this game comes out I be online playing this game

[@swtorbro5974]

I say its probably because of the series s not being powerfull enough

[@TheVivi13]

PS5 gameplay was struggling too

[@ArdaU]

well let's say if that was the case they could just remove the feature for series s

[@KikonSketches]

​@ArdaU rarely ever happens. Baldurs gate 3 did it, but otherwise most companies would rather ensure all their consoles will sell, instead of alienating the weakest link because of its dated hardware.

[@2-bit567]

How does this only have 97 views?

[@PARZ90s]

Because this video is spreading misinformation. Older consoles ran 4 player split screen just fine but this video would suggest that even 2 player split screen is a struggle to run.

[@2-bit567]

@@PARZ90s Do you know any that ran on Unreal 5 and had stage destruction?

[@Astreon123]

​@@PARZ90sdude this game is WAY more graphically intensive. For split screen they LITTERALLY have to render the game twice at the same time

[@bobdylan1968]

GOOD job dude. Good for you for not pandering to hate

[@PARZ90s]

All he did was spread misinformation. Anyone whos actually played 4 player split screen before knows this is all a lie.

[@KikonSketches]

​@PARZ90s calling it "misinformation" while failing to state any reasons as to why or how only makes you sound like an idiot.

[@bobdylan1968]

@@PARZ90s lmfao no it isn't. This is a blatant fact. You should know this. But you don't WANT to. Why? Because it makes you look like a whiney child desperate to just make demands and make them seem valid. No. You have to render multiple times then. That is literally why split screen isnt a popular feature anymore. Games are 1000x more complicted than a decade ago. Split screen was so important because we didn't HAVE online multiplayer and or it wasn't main stream. Get over yourself. You're wrong.

[@Woter_X]

That’s no excuse for not adding multiplayer and having it available for every level and stage and all modes. If the PlayStation 2 could do it and handle it easily with a bunch of other games, and the PS five should have no issues at all with it. It’s just an excuse.

[@IEMprod.]

You do know past bt games and even raging blast also cut content off stages for splitscreen, right?? Saying this is wild when you know what goes into these games and how much they have to render with splitscreen.

[@Woter_X]

@@IEMprod. please bring me up one article that talks about how hard it was for bt3 to be put out. Even the PSP version had four players playing on one map with teams of two. How are you going to tell me that even a PSP version is strong enough to hold four people in one battlefield that is also distractible but PlayStation five can barely hold two players.

[@IEMprod.]

@@Woter_X theres videos explaining what BT3 had to remove in order to get splitscreen working on the PS2. With the destructions, hair physics, particles, smoke effects and graphics they are NOT doing splitscreen for that reason. Hell, them putting it in the time chamber is impressive considering whats going on under the hood. As for the psp, have you seen that game.... and how flat it looks and how limited it was....

[@strippymcroe6534]

@@IEMprod.and if you were far enough from your partner,your partner would look like a minecraft character 😂😂

[@WolfFluffy]

Get it on pc for the split screen mods

[@gardevoirtrainer4526]

I wish other developers would listen to the community feedback.

[@truebaconsamurai15]

There's no Z in the name. Why do people keep doing that?

[@GoldenPSP]

Force of habit 😅

[@truebaconsamurai15]

@@GoldenPSP Ah. Ok.

[@chadafiy]

If the ps2 could do it, it should be standard

[@MotherLover1984]

Not how it works champ

[@PARZ90s]

@@MotherLover1984 Lol you really believe this video? The GameCube ran 4 player split screen just fine and this video is talking as if 2 player split screen is a big deal.

[@crestofhonor2349]

At a time when split screen is far less valued no it shouldn't be. They should have considered it but using the PS2 isn't really a point like you think it is. Doesn't matter if it's an SNES or a PS5, you still need to consider rendering load when rendering two different views of the game

[@Wizofmincraft]

It’s really funny to see how many people don’t comprehend times changes. In the ps2 days local was the way to go because online just wasn’t as good as it is now, in modern day online is what the majority of people play

[@wingedhussar1453]

Its ok im glas its in at all

[@justgamingentertainment]

So they want me to pay 70$ for what exactly if they just throw basic features out the window

[@caballo3739]

What are the other basic features they ignored?

[@thanoskoukounaris]

​@@caballo3739None. People are just overly negative nowadays.

[@channelMasterGuiGame]

​@thanoskoukounaris the word you were looking for is entitled 😅

[@TheKreator98]

This game looks like it already has more packaged in. From more characters, to being able to create your own scenarios, multiple confirmed tournament modes, new online multiplayer, better visuals/gameplay... even so, the "basic feature" you're referring to hasn't even "been thrown out of the window" like you're saying it's just limited to one map unfortunately, for good reason. Hopefully they'll update in the future.

[@jojoa694]

Split screen isn’t a “basic feature” in 2024, it was back when online multiplayer wasn’t common.

[@SolarErazer]

Could have been like dragon ball xenoverse 2 player

[@suhas-qw4nu]

I'm sure pc version will have mods to resolve this.

[@Jeromepw1990]

The age of split screen is dead there’s too much going on

[@xL0stKIlah]

You mean gaming is dead

[@christophererickson7155]

Thats fine for console but Im sure PC cards can handle it... vr, MSFS, etc etc....

[@SsjSpheal]

Pc will have mods to make this a realistic idea. It does make sense why they gave an option with limited maps. The bigger problem would be for 1. Pcs that don't have newer cards that will have problems running split screen. 2. Local multi-player is not worth the money to invest the time and camera work since it's not the focus of the game anymore. Its j a sign of the times. But again mods will come out for pc to make this a thing im certain !

[@GoldenPSP]

Console support is mainly the limiting factor, which is what they mention in the Modes Showcase.

[@FM_DOS_GURI]

cuz consoles always slow games down....

[@bradleydias425]

So what you're saying is, they made a fighting game... Without local play... Wow... I'ma probably just go back to bt3

[@swolbadguy7811]

?????

[@truecarman]

💀

[@zenvendaboi4217]

Ayt.

[@nouveill3445]

Wow you are dumb

[@KikonSketches]

Good👍

[@hewhosays7979]

I'm sorry but these consoles and pcs that take pride in how many teraflops they have it's so stupid not being able to handle splitscreen, something even a ps2 could do. What a joke

[@GoldenPSP]

Split screen is a sliding scale problem. Even as we boost console power, we're still increasing graphical fidelity, scene complexity and resolution. And with split screen you always have to render twice. So the devs still have to use special techniques to mitigate that rendering cost. It never gets easier. That's not me saying Sparking shouldn't have split screen, I definitely wish it did.

[@abstracted3197]

I appreciate your thoughts towards technical considerations, however the hardware is more than good enough to handle this feature if the development accounted for it. While it's true, multiple cameras/view ports are being rendered simultaneously in a split screen dynamic and that entails more processing power, there are many ways to account for that, optimize it, and ensure performance is good enough in those scenarios. Please consider the following: -Online multiplayer is a powerful psychological tool for ensuring DLC sales. Why is this? Manipulatory marketing tactics. Consider the history of social engineering and it's integration into enterprises that operate under profit motivations above all else. Online gaming uses a few core human instincts and desires: the social aspect and because it's multiplayer, there is the fear of missing out and the desire to be doing what everyone else is (if others have new characters or stages, that player that is invested in the game will want to as well). That's my problem. Often times, the game design itself revolves around manipulatory practices for exploitation. There has been DLC ready to go but was not released simultaneously upon initial release, integrated into what you bought. To me? That's bad. The concept of online gaming by itself is not a negative one. It's cool as hell and can connect people across vast distances. Unfortunately, as time has gone on, the producers and marketing departments have a big impact on dev mandates. I don't doubt the dev team themselves, at least some of them, feel a sense of embarrassment and frustration that this is what they have to show. Fan discourse after the announcement of the game very well could have reached the corp side of things. The expectation of split screen. It's important for them to keep good will with potential customers. The feature was then to be integrated but (in my opinion) intentionally limited. That means they can charge more for the full feature later OR because of the limited couch split screen (scenarios, by the way, where you're physically near someone and both of you probably aren't going to care /as/ much if certain characters aren't available/etc because you're having a more direct social interaction which takes precedent), encourage users to focus on online play-> leading towards the above reason to spend more money. This is speculation on my part, of course, and please don't take any of this as the definite truth. I personally would like to see these features developed and considered and available for all, split screen, online, all of it. We do have the technology and the technical know-how to do so. 100 percent visual fidelity is not necessary for fun of modes like split screen, so the developer reps stated reasons (aka... in my opinion... A carefully written excuse made by a different department to throw off the kinds of accusations I am making in this message), I just don't buy it. -shrug-

[@felipelombarde3346]

I honestly don't know why people are so upset about this whole thing. Is literally just a stage, be glad that the devs listened and added local multiplayer, the actual thing you all were whining and crying for. Talk about making a storm in a cup of water lol

[@onlywiigame.]

No it’s the bigger picture there trying to get rid of local multiplier so we only spend time online

[@Nightxx9199]

​@@onlywiigame.I mean. Only got other people to blame. As time went on and people only cared about performance. Split screen got axed as a regular gimmick in video games. Being seen as an unnecessary money sink whenever new game engines were being developed.

[@kennyulysse2163]

👌

[@MaoMavo]

well that also means no rollback so into the trash it goes.

[@Teika101]

Why would you need rollback on local multiplayer ?

[@MaoMavo]

@@Teika101 thats not the point, to do rollback you need to mirror the game aswell so if they're on the brink in local they wont be able to have rollback online.

[@Teika101]

@MaoMavo Could you elaborate further ? As I understand it, Rollback has everything to do with multiplayer button inputs and reducing delay There is nothing to do with rendering the game twice on the same screen as local multiplayer would need to

[@PARZ90s]

@@Teika101 You need rollback for a good online multiplayer experience. That's common sense.

[@MaoMavo]

@@Teika101 watch some video about it, it's hard to explain. essentially the game creates savestates to revert to if something is out of order and this savestate is basically another mirror of the game.

[@Woter_X]

We never wanted dbz to have better Graphics. Only children request for stuff like that. If it’s at the cost of destroying actual gameplay, leave the graphics alone and just add more to it from the PlayStation 2 version

[@IEMprod.]

If a dragonball game came out looking like bt3 people would destroy that game to pieces.

[@Woter_X]

@@IEMprod. are you sure? People are super highly regarded that that one is still the best one even when all these other dragon ball Z fighting games came out, bt3 was still the best one that all the fans agreed with. It was to the point that they were making mods like crazy for it because they weren’t making a sequel. The raging blast series almost killed the entire franchise completely because they tried to re-create it. All people wanted was just more content within that same game. So that’s why I figured. Maybe we should put up a poll

[@IEMprod.]

@@Woter_X im more than confident knowing the fact that if a ps2 looking game came out in 2024 with the old flat textures people would be pissed. People made mods to BT3 cause thats all they had, the people that made the mods were begging for an official BT4 for a decade while making the mod. Only can do so much with the PS2 technology.

[@Woter_X]

@@IEMprod. i totally get that but that’s the issue. The ps2 was quality over quantity. In this case. The ps2 is doing way more then what ps5. Look at the options for example. How many modes is bt4 giving us? The great apes are scaled so big to a normal size character in this one. The way ps2 did it was… I forgot what you call it but gave the visual of the great ape being a normal size from a regular size characters perspective but when flying close to it, the great ape is a lot bigger. You don’t get those same type of visuals in the BT4 as far as I could see. Also remember when you used to level up your character? Bobas z item shop? How on earth they not mention any of that. We’re just missing so much, Contant that the PS2 version gave us so we’re technically getting less in exchange for better graphics, flashiness, and so many long cut scenes. I’ll admit the customizing your own story thing is cool and I’m looking forward to that but this game looks way more like it adapted from xenoverse abit. Also Dragon Ball Z characters don’t look good in unreal engine. They all just look like a mod from Fortnite, but that’s a personal criticism

[@IEMprod.]

@@Woter_X everything you mentioned here could still be in the game, as spike hasnt revealed the game modes other than story and the new create mode. Also, the irony of the ps2 generation being quality over quantity is half of the characters in BT3 used the exact same attacks, and the exact same animations. One thing ive observed is with the new game, spike has given character far more obscure attacks in order to make characters unique instead of copy and paste jobs like they did in the ps2 generation. Never mind the mountain of cut content the games had in the ps2 generation, it wasnt as glamorous as people make it seem.

[@PatchFaceDisaster]

Y’all got sumn. Be happy.

[@PARZ90s]

They're selling this game for $70 with DLC already announced. You're talking like they're giving this game out for free.

[@Path3742]

​@PARZ90s they literally are genius Some games are already 70 dollars by now Don't pretend like sparking zero Is the only game to do this

[@kevin76165]

@@Path3742 yeah pretty much every AAA game I see now is 70, inflation prices catching up ig

[@ians_parks]

No. Not accounting for local split screen at the start of development is baffling and a complete fail on the developer's part. They shouldn't receive applause for implementing a half assed split screen mode with only one stage at the last minute. Just delay the game and further optimize it for split screen. It'll be better for it.

[@PatchFaceDisaster]

@@ians_parks just play online 🥱. They already said that shit is hard to implement cause of all the exploding shit on the maps. Have ur fun in the hyperbolic time chamber 🤡.

[@WorldCurse]

Grown men whined their way to getting it some pushing 30 lmao

[@ChrisBeYT]

Game technology evolved so much and yet splitscreen is so hard to do for so many devs.... I would even sacrifice graphics for a fluent local multiplayer

[@PARZ90s]

This video is just wrong. By his own logic, the older consoles like the GameCube or even PS1 would lag and struggle to play in 4 player split screen, and everyone knows that those older consoles ran 4 player split screen just fine. This video is talking like 2 player split screen is nearly impossible to do when consoles are much more powerful than ever before. The real reason there's not a real Local Multiplayer in Sparking Zero is because they want us to play strictly online.

[@PmNHawke]

​@@PARZ90swhile you have a point it's not accurate either. It's not the hardware but the software. If that was the case we would have games leaps ahead in performance compared to previous generations. To start with The issue is that the last decade has shown in terms of sales that people are willing to give up gameplay depth and local multiplayer in general for more fidelity and gimmick events over anything. It is irrelevant how good the hardware is as long as all the current dev kits wether it is in house engines or unreal they are all designed to make the game pretty but not designed well enough for local multiplayer. The evidence in the decline in local multiplayer on all games is evident. It is irrelevant what a small minority like you and me say but the fact remains that most of the players (especially since the lockdown) are completely fine with online multiplayer with no local co op. While there is a monetary incentive for going online only sales prove that this is the new trend. So while I agree with you it is possible to make split screen possible on a technical level, we are witnessing a product of the current trends in gaming and honestly there is nothing we can do about it. That being said I was surprised about spilt screen to be included this late to begin with so credit where it's due.

[@PmNHawke]

In case you don't wanna read it's fine I am drunk and probably won't reply so no need to bother

[@crestofhonor2349]

Split screen is still difficult because of those reasons. But it was often for games to cut effects for 2 or 4 player games. I believe Mario Kart 8 drops to 30fps when doing 4 player split screen

[@GoldenPSP]

@@PARZ90s they're able to account for split screen because the developers optimize toward it. The Sparking devs could as well, but as they mentioned they started implementing it later in development. Also screen split scales with graphical complexity. The more you render on screen the harder it is to implement. In this case the particle system is the limiting factor. This is explicitly mentioned by the developers in their commentary.

[@MetalFreezer3000]

In fact, on the Game Files of the Tenkaichi Games, there are two versions of the same stages, one of them being optimized for split screen

[@0yotam]

YES give me this. split screen is the main reason to buy the game

[@Abdul48716]

They literally could’ve just done this. Remove a little buildings, grass and mountains and calm down on the effects and it will run just fine.

[@bcj842]

There you go! And they put all those extra files ON A 4GB PHYSICAL DISC. Devs have unlimited data now. They just don't push as hard in this regard because there are statistically less people playing offline multiplayer. They only care when their whole customerbase kicks and screams and even then it's an afterthought.

[@Nightxx9199]

Less so technical difficulties. And more so no devkit is prepared for it anymore because of brainlits who only care about the best graphics and 60+fps 24/7. And thus that's where game development got pushed towards the past 6 or so years, towards a single player experience with online multiplayer as an option. It can easily be done again without sacrificing much performance, but it would require basically a new engine that could support it, and getting the funds to develop it would be nearly impossible with how big game companies don't give a damn unless it makes them millions upon millions guaranteed. Granted there is some quicker fixes like "plugins" for the engine. But if not made properly, it can lead to more issues than what it's worth.

[@RancorSnp]

While I think that the dev team will work on making more stages that are split screen compatible later on (And very confident that PC modders will quickly figure out how to enable the rest of the maps, because PC doesn't have the tech limitations the consoles do) I think a nice way to look at it is that in BT3 every stage was basically the Hyperbolic Time Chamber Stage. BT3 stages were uniteractive blocks with a couple destructible objects on it that would disappear completely after taking any damage

[@GabEGoo]

I was honestly buying this game to order some pizza and play with friends. I’ll stick to BT3 for my Wii

[@VaasharP]

You still can?

[@freekill1018]

​@@VaasharPnot really...not like we used to..😢

[@chillmanmax775]

​@@freekill1018you can though. hyperbolic time chamber really isnt that bad, man

[@InvinciDon]

Sparking Zero’s still got no legitimate excuse to not include split-screen, just limit local multiplayer to certain stages, much like Xenoverse, and we’re all good.

[@GoldenPSP]

That's actually what they did! Just limited to Room of Spirit and Time. But I hope they expand it to feature more stages.

[@Wizofmincraft]

Xenoverse local shouldn’t be the standard it’s not good at all lol.

[@InvinciDon]

@@Wizofmincraft Yet it worked

[@strippymcroe6534]

@@InvinciDonit also didn’t do split screen like sparking zero is doing. It was all one screen

[@rixked]

And what many people dont understand Online multiplayer is A feature that wasnt as common as it is in todays time So sayin in older games works against them Games in the past also had a chance to just be bugged out for no reason and without actually being able to fix it because you cant just upload the fixed programm so that the game can update

[@Nightxx9199]

That was rarely an issue until the ps3 era. And most of the time you could "Update" it on ps2 via a few unique ways that devs thought of. Or in the case of Nintendo they had an entire backup peripheral just to fix some memory leaks and ram issues.

[@mfrebel7831]

This video was VERY usefull. Thank you

[@doppavee4309]

The real reason split screen is only in the hyperbolic time chamber isn't because of some hardware limitations on current gen consoles. I'll tell you why... It's because the lazyass devs didn't design the game with split screen is mind because they didn't think it mattered to fans. And adding it at a later date to stages other than the time chamber would cause them to have to rework a lot of the current infrastructure of the game. Plus remember they only have 4 months till launch and the game still has a ways to go. So in other words, this game is a BT4 wannabe cash grab!

[@blok--head7472]

Maybe if we're lucky, "Sparking Zero 2" will have a standard vs mode, without such limitations. But thats a big *IF* ... so much for "next gen hardware."

[@floydboi96]

Why not make it couch comp with a camera similar to Ninja Storm? It makes fights more dynamic, one may be losing out on character view but thats fine. No one is playing couch comp as a ranked match. So it can be more creative with how ot operates. Plus just because its 2 screens doesnt mean the environment is going to get destroyed more than 1 camera. Its the same amount of destruction. Does the view matter in that situation? I'm actually curious on why this approach wouldn't work.

[@GoldenPSP]

That's actually how XenoVerse does its local multiplayer! Also in terms of your environment destruction comment, yes the environment destruction only happens once, but the render and rasterization process happens twice.

[@floydboi96]

@@GoldenPSP thanks I'm a big fan of playing games but honestly have no clue about what happens under the hood. I assumed the destruction happens once and we are just viewing it from different angles, not it's, its own entire computation. Thanks for the info. I'm gonna subscribe.

[@GoldenPSP]

@@floydboi96 yes each virtual camera has its own different extrinsics, which is input when rendering. Which means their views have to be computed separately.

[@reahs4815]

I mean if you split the screen for two players you also halve the resolution. also It would not be hard for a modern GPU on PC to render this game, and if its that unoptimized then just lower settings and enable dlss

[@dostheghost2426]

It's not as simple as lowering the resolution... you are essentially running one version of the game twice.

[@AndrewsCards]

​@@dostheghost2426 Could this generation of hardware really not take rendering the game twice in 1080p? Didn't bursting rage on xbox360 have split screen? I just don't understand how it was possible on old hardware but todays hardware struggles on splitscreen

[@dostheghost2426]

@@AndrewsCards no other dbz has the fidelity and amount of things to render on the screen. The game includes more complex geometry, character models, heavy particle effects. Yeah other dbz games had similar effects, but as time and technology progress the effects become more demanding and require more resources from the system. High end rigs would be able to handle processing, but it seems the current systems are not capable. Rendering the particle effects, character models, and destroyed environments twice would take a heavy toll on the system. It is essentially the same reason VR games that have a normal mode have significantly reduced graphics and effects including RE8. If they lowered the graphics to improve split screen it wouldn't make sense, because many studies show splitscreen isn't as popular now as it was then. It would be essentially removing resources for a mode only a handful of people would play consistently. It's not like sf6 where the characters share a screen, it would be like having 2 versions of street fighter 6 running at the exact same time on the same system. It just isn't worth the extra development time and resources. The mode is still there, just minus the destructive environments to compensate.

[@BlackJacked]

Your channel is hella underrated man. Keep up the great work 😊

[@watzbeats9104]

Happy theres at least one map. Never gonna use it but its nice to have, mostly due to nostalgia. Nowadays i dont live with my brothers or next door to my friends lol

[@hunterherndon8573]

This game doesn't even look that good to be having all these performance issues. Next Gen is trash.

[@Woter_X]

Unreal engine is trash and that’s what you’re looking at through this game. They made a stupid decision and switching and making fighting games using unreal engine. So that’s why everything looks like Fortnite.

[@MichaelWashington-hm7rr]

There you go boy 😏..but don't fall short we NEED this

[@jeremyhall2727]

Because they're lazy 😐 they don't want to program that. If someone visiting you & you both want to play...oh well then

[@wassafshahzad8618]

Do you even have any idea how complex it is to program that

[@jeremyhall2727]

@@wassafshahzad8618 just people not wanting to do more work. It's called being lazy. What 🤨 are they less skilled then past devs

[@zekken8227]

Good vid:)

[@ooZ3r0oo]

No split screen no money

[@LightBringer666]

im just glad they added that feature in, cause in the far future when the servers for the game die and you can't play online, how are two people going to play this game together without splitscreen?

[@TSMSnation]

Hopefully mods will unrestrict it.

[@Dustin277]

Such bs

[@loth-alda]

W video

[@t__uncensor1337]

If they can do splitscreen they can do Crossplay!

[@alaminior]

Bro. I like your stuff, but it kinda sounds more like a lecture than anything. Spice it up a bit. Put in a little more energy or something bro

[@GoldenPSP]

Thanks for the feedback my dude 🙏🏾

[@MKMadness]

I think they can make exclusive version of the current maps for local split-screen.

[@KengaruZ]

Consoles getting more powerful just means devs getting stupider. Why waste time on optimization when the console can just handle it on it's own. That is the real problem

[@ero-senninsama1734]

Devs also get a lot less time to develop and you also need to make flashy trailers to get more investors to drop more money for development, because nowdays no one wants to risk money.