Why is the ATF Coming to My Door and Asking to See My Guns?

[@JayKayKay7]

Many years ago, I made the circuit of our gun shops one day; in Waco, we had five at the time, and by the time I got home, I realized that I had bought three firearms and put one on layaway. I pleaded temporary insanity with the wife when she finally realized what I had done. It all seemed like a great idea at the time.

[@jerrylisby3440]

😂

[@geedubb2005]

I live within 25 miles of the Mexican border. I’ve seen more than a few small licensed gun stores and even family owned stores get jammed up for not following the law. There’s various violations but the bottom line is, they all went to federal prison, except the minors, they lost everything they owned, broken up families and will probably penniless when they’re released. Being this close to the border and being former law enforcement that worked along the border, I’ve seen plenty. Even if you buy a gun for your buddy and it winds up in Government hands in Mexico, expect a knock and a ton of questions. It’s too bad Eric Holder and his boss didn’t go to prison for their “Fast and furious” crimes that resulted in the death of a US Border Patrol agent.

[@daveyhogan]

If they show up at your door say nothing and call the local sheriff not police. Government goons.

[@Oliver0200]

Don't you know the sheriff is powerless in this situation? Federal over state.

[@bigtex4058]

The ATF showed up at my door over this. I told them to talk to my lawyer. He told me not to talk to them at all because they have been known to speak to you and then leave your house claiming they got a confession when they did not. The ATF then gave my lawyer a cease and desist order for me to sign. I was shocked how many lies were written on this form. They said they knew I was an illegal gun dealer and a straw buyer and that they knew who my nefarious associates were. All bullshit. I never did any of that. I signed it and my lawyer returned it to them with the proper language stipulating that my signature only meant I read their crap and nothing more. It's hilarious that a REAL bad guy can easily circumvent these forms. So they only get on the case of honest people who attempt no subterfuge. DON'T TALK TO THEM. This is not legal advice. Just my opinion from personal experience.

[@JayKayKay7]

I'm in Waco. Where are you at?

[@mapple35]

that sounds fishy

[@dergunter1237]

well you are going into recession and they need to disarm the people before shit goes tits up. Expect more bs and massive limitation on ammo supply and buying

[@joshuagibson2520]

Why? Because for the last 40+ years, the majority of Americans have allowed to govt to walk all over them and do as they please.

[@sillybilly121212]

Thanks, Chris. Your videos are always balanced and realistic, and not full of hyperbole and bad advice.

[@celowski6296]

In the 20+ years of buying firearms only once did I get a call. About 5 years ago I bought 3 100+ year old revolvers. I got a call asking about them. How ironic that I was checked on when these antiques cannot be fired!! One is broken, the other 2 are rimfire black powder loads.

[@caseknifes]

Great job. I have personally asked them if they had a warrant. One said here's the deal so I said there is no deal. Slammed the door and they never came back.

[@joem1102]

You don't have to talk to them at all. If they have no warrant...you don't have to tell them or show them squat

[@Salty_Balls]

It's honestly best to not even answer the door. It avoids even the possibility of them lying and saying you in fact said something they can either use against you or threatened them. Same for all of law enforcement that has no warrant.

[@KB-kw8ni]

That only has to do with state and local law enforcement. Federal law enforcement operates under US Code Title 11 HS 5013 to enter your home due to probable cause of you harboring an illegal item without a judge to order a warrant

[@chapllc722]

@@KB-kw8ni Never gonna happen. There aren't enough feds to even begin to make a dent in how many people have these ar pistols. That doesn't even account for how many they would lose along the way. (edit: I somehow mixed up this comment with the other video. I thought you were trying to say the ATF could go door to door and confiscate all ar/ak pistols)

[@SFO195]

​@@KB-kw8ni probable cause is a high standard, in this situation they would not have probable cause

[@KB-kw8ni]

@@SFO195 they have RAS so no warrant needed

[@GageTaylor628]

ATF are such a headache 😫 can they just leave us alone or better yet just we get rid of the ATF forever

[@williamkuykendall7569]

A better question is why are you answering the door 😂😂 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@sawyer4981]

I'd like to know how many of these "knock & talks" have resulted in actually catching any criminals. My guess is none. Times are tough, everyone is doing layoffs, it's the ATFs turn. We clearly have too many agents if they have time to be doing this stuff.

[@AdamosDad]

No, you can't come in and I answer no questions.

[@mapple35]

i like how you are sensible and not conspiratorial / alarmist like so so many creators in this community.

[@pureblood3581]

Don't answer the door.

[@hasanmichael4966]

I’ve bought multiple guns a few times and never had them show up at my door. But it’s probable that they don’t have the man power to go to every house. My plan is to not answer the door. I have cameras set up so I can see who’s at my door.

[@zantimisfits4021]

So what does atf do with the info if you refuse to talk to them? Do they file it away or are they required to destroy it? You said a copy goes to the ffl’s local LE. What do they do with it? Keep it on file? Is it now a local le gun registry?

[@a_lol_cat]

I’ve never gotten the knock but my transferring FFL let me know that he was asked about me during an inspection. Once they looked at what it was, a load of euro spec Sigs that were never offered by NH, it was dropped as no one is spending that kind of money to have stuff Form 6’ed into the country for anything other than being an avid collector.

[@raymondstrehl3679]

Thanks as always Good to know 🇺🇸🎉😁

[@bobspistolsandpaydirt8607]

Interesting

[@An2oine]

I'm sure if the ATFE is showing up for a straw purchase, the FFL called them,

[@rodgerbrennan4523]

Thanks for the info.👍

[@michaelragains4938]

Good information.

[@seanomeirs8362]

Does Private Property, Probable Cause, Right to Remain Silent, The Constitution, mean anything any more?

[@samwalker1461]

ABSOLUTELY!!!🇺🇸

[@mrjmorovis]

Thank you for not feeding the paranoia that is sadly present among a not small minority of legal and illegal gun owners.

[@geraldgilmore1177]

Wow how bad is it going to get so many laws

[@arthuralexander1012]

Thanks..great information.

[@franzgeil422]

Fantastic info Chris

[@dougbutz429]

Thanks Chris for the insight to the RULES (law).

[@MegaBait1616]

I'm going to buy a few now.... I'm clean as a new baby.... Let's see??

[@johnbierman4200]

Thanks for sharing the news in a reasonable fashion without jumping to extremism as so many others have done.

[@hoosierplowboy5299]

Excellent information, Chris...thank you!

[@ronaldacarter8079]

IMHO, given ATF Agents proclivity for shooting dogs, one would have to have a death wish to approach an ATF Agent with a firearm in your hands!

[@derekp2674]

Chris, thanks for an interesting video. Here in GB, non-muzzle loading handguns are almost impossible to own and every rifled long arm is on a register somewhere. In spite of that, when our Government recently banned 'lever release' semi-semi-auto rifles (sic), the authorities seemed to have no clue as to who actually owned any of them. Instead, their best idea was to contact all registered firearm owners and ask for any 'lever release' rifles to be handed in. Thanks to EU Law, sensible compensation was paid for surrendered arms. I mention this to illustrate that having a national register of firearms is really not going to help law enforcement and gun control anything like as much as advocates think it would.

[@Salty_Balls]

No, but a registry allows other tactics to be used, such as the doxxing that California and other blue states with registries have done. They "accidentally" publish gun owners information, such as names, addresses, sometimes how and where they are stored for states with storage laws, and have even published Concealed Carry Permit holders names and info. It's all in hopes of stirring the pot and shaming gun owners. It helps the activists organize and also tips off thieves where they can score something. It also wouldn't be out of the realm of possible for certain employers here would fire you if they're contacted about you and your guns. They'll either cave to pressure because of some activist phone calls or they'll consider you a threat somehow, probably more of the first. I personally have a neighbor that's explicitly told me nobody should own a gun. She's seen me loading rifle cases into my truck before to go to the range. I'm in a gun friendly state, but should that ever turn... She'd probably have me Swatted.

[@dwayneklien5308]

Many non-wait states use a form 4473, which the BATF been keeping and with the new computer system, been imputing info on those individuals who bought firearms over the years.

[@fattywithafirearm]

I know that yhe ATF spoke with a person who was buying a bunch of taurus pistols from my local academy sports. From what I heard from an employee is this guy was buying dozens of guns weekly from several academy's when they got their trucks. The dude was apparently buying the Taurus guns from the dealer then selling them at local gun shows for profit as a private person.

[@robertsimpson3225]

Is it true that if one purchases three or more long gun firearms that the form is also triggered?

[@hawk66100]

Thanks for the info.

[@9ZERO6]

Just don't answer the door. Problem solved.

[@jeffallen6754]

Remember people only the aft is allowed to traffic guns to Mexico

[@georgehathcoat4011]

Fast and ferrous ??? Armed the cartel. ?? When did the ATF go after the ATF ???

[@georgegravette1132]

Is the purchase date the date the gun was payed for, or the date the gun was picked up and the 4473 filled out? On more than one occasion, I've purchase a gun online, and then when I went to the store to pick it up, found another gun I liked, so that I ended up leaving the store with two guns.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

Purchase date is Purchase date. I think the rule requires them to be reported if transferred on the same date.

[@Agorizer]

ALL licensure is bad This is just example #223

[@Nag.Nag.]

🙋 🙋

[@4element3]

What if we move from another state

[@scottwilliams8334]

What's wrong with the comments ? I can't see most of them and I can't see any answers to comments.

[@Warrior-X]

How long might it take after the purchase for one to expect a visit?

[@davva360]

I have always known that you could get flagged for multiple guns. However I had not heard of them coming to your house to confirm you still had them. I have bought two on several occasions including recently when I bought a rifle and a stripped lower just so I could complete the lower later. Made sense as I was already going through a background check. I did not get a visit yet lol

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

2 or more handguns purchased within 5 days from the same dealer requires the dealer to file the form with AFT and local law enforcement. This does not include rifles, frames or receivers.

[@davva360]

@@BigTomInTheBasement yeah but I’ve done two pistols before and not had a visit either. So they don’t go to everyone unless this is new. I think it may take multiple reports before you get a visit.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

@@davva360 yeah. It's not a normal policy to just go visit a multiple purchaser just for giggles. Especially if they have no warrant and the person could tell them to pound sand.

[@seethebutter]

Thanks

[@Johnny2Smokes]

FJB

[@pahrumpianrockets7301]

What about transfers of firearms? My Dad has 7 guns. Mostly handguns. Now that he has gotten older he is giving them to me. The transfer will be dealer to dealer.

[@jefferyrader5153]

This does not apply to dealers.

[@BA-lt2tx]

Is it the date or purchase or the date of transfer that matters? Say you by two guns from two different out of state online dealers 10 days apart but do a single 4473 after both guns have arrived at your local FFL, would that trigger a report?

[@1anthonybrowning]

Yes, since the FFL handling the 4473 makes the report.

[@nathantaylor8029]

I'm going to save up and buy multiple guns now and wait for them. When they trespass on my property without letting me know they are coming I'm going to unleash my German shepherd 😂 just joking.

[@gorandjokic5901]

Weekly used guns?

[@kevinb8285]

48 comments only 5 showing

[@cgbike164]

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[@darrellmillner930]

Do I understand correctly this applies only to handguns vs riffles & shotguns? And as the ATF now has a detailed copy of the purchase doesn't that in reality give them a registry?

[@chuckcribbs3398]

Thanks for clearing air. It’s wrong but it’s not a national crisis. So the rule is don’t buy two guns on the same transaction?

[@JayKayKay7]

Do you have a decent P-38 in stock? Or an intact mum Type 99 Arisaka?

[@2afreedom1776]

Hey Chris, who would you recommend in Indiana for 2A attorneys?

[@MarksmanTV]

Marc Halata and Guy Relford are both great.

[@markseaman4750]

37 comments shown above. I only count 5. ????

[@cgbike164]

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[@64bruceb]

So, if you buy a matched pair of revolvers this is going to trigger it?

[@jefferyrader5153]

Yes.

[@ajjohn8729]

Yes

[@LuvBorderCollies]

I see rumors passed around the internet but is there solid evidence like video or an actual person & address that can be interviewed?? Filtering out worthless rumors gives a clear picture how widespread or regional or exaggerated these incidents are.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

does this apply to rifles?

[@MarksmanTV]

No. Handguns only.

[@samwalker1461]

Not yet!!!!

[@jerrellthieke87]

Ok I purchased a gun from a dealer and didn't like the gun. I returned the gun to the dealer and used the refund to purchase another gun. This was all within a week. Would this trigger the report? I really don't see the problem with letting them know what I have. I have nothing to hide.

[@alanrogs3990]

beta male

[@jthrelf]

Nothing to hide is a farce ... You have nothing to hide until you get trapped in some law you didn't understand.

[@hasanmichael4966]

Okay me ATF pretending to be a citizen. The issue is they are crooks and will lie about your interaction saying you admitted to a crime. They are not there to do honest business. They are there to entrap you.

[@jerrellthieke87]

Ok so no answers to my question just replies to my last statement? Ok got it.

[@user-nr8dd6vr6l]

Jew

[@jimmymcclure4549]

I hear a lot of "I heard" in this video. Can you name an actual instance that you are personally aware of where ATF went to someones door as you describe "hearing about" and asked to see some of their guns? I have been a gun collector for 42 years I have purchased multiple guns in a week on several occasions and never had this happen, nor do I know anyone this has happened to. However I can see if someones purchases were so many that it may arouse suspicion of illegal dealing that such a visit would be justified. I would personally have no problem producing any of my guns. I see a lot of videos like this asking what seems to be rhetorical questions and have yet to see anyone offer proof of a real incident of this happening. As long as law enforcement is acting as it should and doing its job to enforce our laws then we should support them and not work to make them look suspicious or ominous and certainly not enemies of the people. Now if one of them chokes someone to death for selling loose cigarettes on the street or passing a phony $50 and that is verified the go right on with vilifying the scumbag who perpetrated it.

[@MarksmanTV]

The most notable example is that of a man in Delaware who recently received a visit from the ATF as part of an multi-gun investigation. The exchange was caught on his "Ring" camera system. It is discussed at length in an Ammoland article (www.ammoland.com/2022/07/atf-conduct-surprise-inspection-at-mans-home-without-warrant-video/#axzz7ZWC3fGbK). This story has been making the rounds on YT and other social media outlets (it has made quite a splash). With it, I have noticed there seems to be a lot interest in what is going on (as many people clearly do not understand the multi-gun form process). As such, I have made this video to clear up some of the "fog" around the multiple disposition record and the likely reasons for these investigations.

[@JDF1]

what a bunch of compliant people you all are..! I'm all for obeying the law okay but when the government nannies want to verify if my purchases are in my possession and they send armed agents to verify this... All I can think of is all the missed opportunities these 3 letter agencies failed to take down going way back to Oklahoma and Trade Center bombings... the Olympic Park bombings had agents trying to frame a security guard who ends up being the freaking hero..!? Boston marathon and of course September 11 ,2001...I understand that as law abiding citizens we've been targeted more than the criminals..? it's reversed "guilty until proven innocent..." we must go the extra measure to prove ourselves not a threat but in reality that threat is from a tyrannical government trying to create issues that will lead to the restriction or repeal of the 2nd amendment... a FFL is a tricky thing to hold onto so don't wade into the deep waters of politics when you have your livelihood at risk and therefore limits on speech or biases.. surely you are Indiana nice but to protect these rights you need grit and a defiant attitude because these rights weren't granted by government..! WE WERE ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, THAT AMONG THESE ARE LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS... It's not just words on a document it's every reason we chose to comply with and be governed by bureaucrats and their armed agents... Is it really any different today as say pre-revolutionary Boston when red coated soldiers knocked on your door..? ⚖️🗽☯️🇺🇲