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[@kilnerdyne]

In my opinion, as someone who has played the game since beta, they never fully committed to making the game successful from the beginning. - The game was rushed out many years before it was ready. One Tamriel should have been the release moment and even then there were basic systems missing. - Trifectas in Dungeons, Time Trials and Arenas are the endgame content but there was never anyone employed to develop their longevity passed the first clears. (e.g. Leaderboards, Score-pushing, World records, Speedruns, Higher Difficulty levels etc.) How can you expect people to stay around when your endgame has a literal end with no advanced reward system. - In-game Guild system was and still is incredibly basic. They cannot be suprised by the fact that being in a guild in the game itself is mostly a ceremonial or optional activity. Discord completely removed the need for players to use the Guild system. Guild Traders are the only real reason to exist physically in an in-game guild, and that is managed entirely by Addons and the Guild Hierarchy without any social input needed from members as long as their dues are paid. - The stability and performance of the game has constantly been a factor in reducing player numbers. If your updates make the game unplayable time & time again, people will leave. - Combat direction. Was there one uniform path? No. There were massive game-changing patches on a quarterly basis for over half a decade. Not to make the game 'fresh' or 'renewed' but because the combat changes they did make were hastily formulated & poorly thought out. Which brings me to maybe the most important point. - Testing. The Public Test Server being a separate download & install completely to the main game was a huge mistake. Yes other games do this as well. No it didn't need to be this way. The number of players they COULD have had testing systems & areas, mechanics, combat changes would have been many many magnitudes larger had they integrated the PTS into the Live server, instead of it being a standalone 120GB download. Also, zero incentives or rewards for people to test content. All these things point to the unmissable fact that they were on a very specific mission when they made ESO. Ride the Skyrim hypetrain to gravy town using as little resources, employees, time & money as possible even at the cost of high-player turnover, no long-term stability and a damaged reputation going forward into future games. Mention any of these things on the ESO forum also will get your post white-knighted by a 10star forum account you've never seen before, the post locked or deleted, or your forum account threatened with a suspension or ban. Shame, the game had great potential if it were in better hands.

[@brianfox771]

💯

[@Laticia1990]

Do you think something like mythic+ from w.o.w. could help end game?

[@dragonriderabens9761]

stability, performance AND INCREASINGLY AGGRESSIVE MONETIZATION charging your more and giving your less for it will make players leave in a big hurry, especially in the current economy

[@saltydunmer]

Furthermore, the game is becoming increasingly bolschevik woke and the community managers used to treat influencers kinda badly. I remember one of them telling Alcast to not mansplain... This game may not be a fail when comparing to other monetarily, but it is a huge failure in regards of its wasted potential and horrible handling of patches, combat and set changes, never fixing pvp, shitting on pve endgame players, etc. I cannot fathom how I played this game for six years and how people still play this game. It is a toxic relationship to a soulless corporation that hates all of us. Anyway, have a nice weekend, N'Wah!

[@sirmarshall9521]

Hate to be 'that guy' but objectively, ESO has been a massive success in every sense of the word. That said, carry on. :)

[@Lucy2Juicy]

The guild system is essentially an extended friends list

[@Interdacted]

And extra bank storage.

[@Conqyest]

One man’s trash is another man’s treasure in the guild bank

[@seymourkrelborn207]

I remember when I first played ever quest 2 when it first came out and leaving the safety of the city into the vast over world was terrifying because everything could kill me and then there was the whole soul shard mech, where when you die you left some of your power behind and had to "collect your body" to get those stats back... becoming strong enough to go out there with confidence was the best part of the experience.

[@eb9782]

Maybe if their staff actually played the game and participated in guilds, they wouldn't need focus groups to answer basic questions about the game Edit: Your charts are absolutely hilarious as always

[@pandawolf1196]

This has been the number one issue for years. All the changes, all the nerf hammers and state of pvp related meta waves All wouldn’t have been so horrible if they actually played at a decent level of time investment.

[@miketerzis7468]

They won't even bother reading the results cuz they never listen to feedback (Example u35 ) This feedback was just a checkmark for them .

[@sk8legendz]

I feel like most of what they do is just so they can say. They did something like pretending to be busy at work. Essentially, which is why most of the combat changes and other changes don't make much sense.It's because they just write stuff randomly on the last day and put it in the game

[@thomashart5081]

Feedback is how all companies make their choices for what to add, edit, etc such as why they added the new Archaist character type because players were stating feedback wanting a new type.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@thomashart5081 feedback only works if the devs listen They’ve made it obvious 1000 times over they don’t listen to feedback

[@calgone16]

I only join guilds to sell stuff

[@izi_Lk]

Same.

[@irishned6464]

That and to use “Beam me Up” for porting around

[@vividdaydream1516]

I hope that one of ZoS's targets in their "polish everything" run is improving how combat _feels_ (it's always felt really "floaty"). Making combat & abilities in general feel _satisfying_ to use automatically extends the longevity of any game - there's always gonna be players who'll be happy to kill an afternoon just running around and hitting things, as long as the "hitting things" part tickles their lizard brain.

[@seamagician7042]

Me and Warframe

[@dragonriderabens9761]

They won’t

[@HookahOtaku]

Making the entire world scale around the player really killed any interest in playing after a few hours... you NEVER feel stronger... You never feel like you conquered the overworld. Tamriel One was not a good decision. Sure... you can do any quest in any order... but nothing is challenging. Like said on the video, you can go fuly naked, no masteries and still steamroll.

[@sertan138]

I want them to do story mode difficulty to the trials and dungeons ( even though normal dungeons are easy) but make veterans more challenging and rewarding while story mode gives no rewards or drops sets. Only then you can have both casual players and hardcore players.

[@VladministratorGaming]

My reasons for being in a guild - access to guild trader, consistent trial group, access to set station tables. Before looking to do trial content it was really about access to the economy without having to spam zone chat.

[@elderwiz3165]

At least it's good they're asking for feedback. I wish they'd put more of these kinds of surveys in game where you could choose to answer some questions as you log on or access a certain part of the game. They'd learn so much more if they just started listening to the players.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

It’s meaningless if they don’t listen though

[@xniya_2647]

Regarding the game's retention rates, communication from the developers about the recent performance decline has been abysmal at best. Players are leaving in droves, raid teams are disbanding, PvP is becoming deserted, and players are clustering in small pug groups. On the forums, dedicated questers are insisting there’s nothing wrong, claiming the performance issues are on the players' end. In my 10 years of playing, I’ve never seen the game in such a bad state. Sanity's Edge hard mode is unplayable, heals aren’t targeting properly, and the game is overwhelmed with lag and disconnects. All we hear from the devs and community managers is, "We hear you," but there’s zero meaningful communication. It doesn’t matter how they change guild mechanics or add new content if the game itself simply doesn’t work.

[@joejones8689]

I'd prefer to have a centralized market that would allow players to sell items to other players instead of the guild trader system. Forcing players to join guilds in order sell items is lame. Many trader guilds put pressure on members to meet sales quotas and the guilds have to place huge bids on trader spots. I like all other aspects of the guild system. I played another mmo and each character was separately admitted to guilds and one guy wanted a kickback when I tried to add a second character to his guild.

[@bradandrews777]

Say that on the forum and you will get swamped by those who think the current system is just great.

[@Arasaka]

@@bradandrews777 Because they directly benefit from it. The trader system in ESO is awful and off-putting.

[@joejones8689]

@@bradandrews777 I wonder if the official forums represent the views of a majority of the players since I never received my access code for the forums after a couple of tickets. I'd like to post there but I gave up. A few threads on Reddit had posts from players who preferred a centralized market. I did find it funny that there were posters using economic models/terms to debate the merits of the guild trader system.

[@Conqyest]

Underrated comment

[@bradandrews777]

@@joejones8689 Don't waste your time. I waste my own time and need to stop it as well. ZOS doesn't really pay attention to the forums and a group will always rise up to defend whatever ZOS does.

[@XiiJWCiiX]

In WoW when they introduced guild achievements, it really helped to bring the guild together to earn perks as a guild. I'm not sure if that's still a thing in WoW but it was cool while it lasted.

[@Leloreth]

damn, the survey is already down. ): I had little time when I first saw it and your video reminded me I should fill it in.

[@supertrexandroidx]

Yeah, they didn't keep it up long. Guess they figured they already got all the feedback they needed. They should have had an in-game pop-up notice about it if they really wanted people to see it, because a lot of us only visit the forums infrequently.

[@zenwilds2911]

I never knew they had a survey. Them taking it down so fast is ridiculous. That means they are only taking info from the most hardcore players who check the forums daily.

[@turtle-bot3049]

​@@zenwilds2911I check the forums almost daily (maybe miss a day here or there) and I didn't even know about the survey until seeing this video now. So they aren't taking feedback from those players either unless those players live on the forums 24/7, reading literally everything.

[@king_Jude]

One of the main issues that ESO has for new gamer's and current long playing players is that the combat is not user friendly as a DPS. People want to act like DPS is easy when it isn't. Go queue as a tank or healer, and watch pugs dps, and you'll see the current state of the AVERAGE player... It's horrible. You have games like FFXIV that allow you to chain combo moves for a bigger effect, ti's easier to learn, and you have multiple combos. In addition to that, they have chain attacks that visibly show you what moves/route you can goto with your combos that would easily show you how to properly dps to where you can do any content, now raids you might have to try a little harder and gain more understanding. ESO simply just doesn't have that, here's a random set of moves, figure out how to put them together, and make it work... Not only that, When DPSing in FFXIV, when there isn't much timing involved as the game will not allow you to use the next move until the move set is actually done, and each time you activate these abilities, they never fail to activate like ESO does. ESO has a major issues when dpsing too fast, the abilities do not activate which causes major DPS loss which is way too punishing. Most MMORPG's are really hard for new player's to get into for one reason or another, but for ESO, it's the combat, and it never really gets better. You either get it, or you don't. The player's who don't have that problem are the players who are doing trifectas, but for the vast majority of other players, they're just barely getting by. Lol

[@GoochMuncher6969]

I totally agree that the average dps is pretty lost, but I feel that is due to the HUGE difference between open world difficulty and veteran dungeons/trials, basically people think that the heavy attack no sets build they’ve been walking through questing with is viable for vet content and then when you try to point out that their dps is too low to be polite/considerate for vet content they just act like your an ahole. Between that and the nightblade nerfs(my old favorite class for 4man) I stopped trying to do random vet dungeons,(basically meta is stale and it feels like 9/10 times you have to carry the other “dps”) I feel like dps devolves into the “I just want to play the game” class when you just can’t do that in this kinda game

[@katsu1715]

@@GoochMuncher6969 the amount of guilds ive been kicked from for telling officers and guild leaders how to better play their class and role because they both wanted to Vet content AND play their character to their exact specifications, and other comment about DPSing not being user friendly, theres a reason Oakensoul was so popular, being able to cut half your abilities off to obtain similar dps numbers was very attractive to a lot of people

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

it is not about combos. DPS in ESO is all about stacking as many debufs on your target and as many buffs as possible on yourself. Someone who knows what is Brutality, Savagery and Breach are will outdps with weapon attack alone someone who doesn't know.

[@frankieluv1479]

Also people feel resentful and cheated that they pay a subscription for content they will never be able to complete and this is made worse by people in game telling them they don’t “qualify” to even attempt. When that one bar sorc heavy attack build came out, it was like a breath of fresh air with all the achievements that were now within grasp and the influx of available players. Zos put the kabash on it so fast that it really broke the spirit of much of the community. 😞

[@GoochMuncher6969]

@@frankieluv1479 for sure, when heavy attack sorc got nerfed at first I was happy, but then I realized all the heavy attackers were adamant on sticking to what they know, especially with how bad cleave was at the time, they shouldn’t have gutted it if anything they should have just made the skill/dps ceiling higher for the two bar set ups while keeping the heavy attacks viable because now there lack of cleave/burst is really noticeable/painful in 4man but idk Zos like to complain about things “over preforming” in high end groups. Like yeah those groups have a combined 20k hours plus of experience of course shit is gonna overpreform they should be more focused on balancing for the average trial pug

[@send_you2_spawn]

The problem is like you Said on the video when the content creators get bored is bad for the game ; and the problem was they never heard the content creators and most of them dont know what is good or bad for the game in general; when the game was made for PvP and Turns a pve game and a lot of content creators just focus on pve just says everything ; ESO was not a game for pve ; they Turn the game for pve cause PvP had a lot of problems with server performance for several years and pve gives a lot more money then PvP ; i am from the time a lot of ppl cant do it Maelstrom and RN a player with 1/2 weeks playing eso can complete Maelstrom ez without much effort ; they make the game so ez and made so bad choices year after year all the old "ogs" players no 1 Cares about the game anymore cause there is no skill ; so when you Said they are afraid to do bad changes etc look the last 3/4 years how Many bad changes they have done to the game . ESO for PS is so bad and dead every1 are playing the free game Throne and Liberty ; This is the state from ESO on Ps eu RN and i am talkin about ppl who spent 10 k + hours on ESO and a lot of money on ESO

[@dragonriderabens9761]

Man, I hate this argument that ESO was always intended for PvP, never PvE It’s bullshit that only salty mfers who are coping that PvP is bad say to try and avoid admitting it’s been bad from day 1 Mfer, go back to BDO Quit trying to push a false narrative and change the game to suit you and your playstyle PvP MMOs never last anyway. That’s not hyperbole. That’s just facts. Most MMO players don’t want to play PvP, and games that cater too heavily to PvP either shift to cater to PvE die BDO was the only exception and that was niche as hell until they started catering to PvE crowd

[@send_you2_spawn]

@@dragonriderabens9761 you hate cause is the true lol Google ESO and watch devs confirm ESO was made ONLY for PvP ; and i bought ESO on that time Me and all the other ppl who bought the game when the game release cause devs sell the game like a PvP game ; all the stuff i Said is 100% true ask the old players who play ESO since day 1 and ask them why they bought the game ; when the game release you only have craglorn pve content and some base dungeons ; and all the ppl care only about PvP like 80 or 90% of the player base ; so talkin about if a mmo last or not in a pvp scenario thats is not the point from the video ; maybe if eso doenst have 7 years with server performance issues maybe the game was not dead ; maybe if they dont do bad changes year after year the game was not dead who knows and who Cares ; but talkin about if ESO was a PvP or pve game yes my Boy 100% when ESO was release was sell for a PvP game not pve game just Google it and thats it ; if you play all This years ESO and didnt know it sorry to know only now

[@riom5]

Creators were the reason I even discovered this game. When I saw the dynamic pvp combat it drew me in, even though Ive never been investet into the franchise. Its confusing to see such low numbers of viewers interested in ESO content. Tbh though I think any MMO even the big ones struggle to attract new players or keep existing ones excited. As a returning player after a 7 year break the game feels really refreshing to other games. There is tons of content, i still see many positives in the game - something maybe some veteran players cant see anymore. What annoys me is the constant complaining from the player base. No matter on KZbin or on forums, I only see players complain. Maybe for some it would be a good idea just to take a brake.

[@sirmarshall9521]

It's because they are too ADHD to just settle in and enjoy ESO for the game that it is. ESO is a more immersion and questing driven MMO, with an ample amount of systems to enjoy that fantasy how you'd like. And yet, people keep trying to will it into being something it's just simply not anymore.

[@bademeister_sam4105]

you would probably also complain about some stuff if you didn't have a 7 year break. I mean the game can be just so frustrating. I'm an endgame PvE player doing HM/trifecta raids and it's just so frustrating that they not only keep putting more and more fancy shit in the crown store but also take away stuff that was earnable through accomplishments, like skins for clearing raids in vet/HM for example. i mean, apart from in-game titles, which are more often than not pretty bad, there are 3 mounts unlockable (two of them locked behind the hardest trifectas in the game). there just no incentive, no real rewards to get for doing that. and then there's the thing about bugs. for example: there's a point in the dreadsail reef raid where your character could squeeze between a rock and and a fence and you could spare yourself from walking a small curve (5s maximum in area where no fight is intended). they fixed that. but in law of morkaj, of you kill one of the twins while he is jumping, the other one gets invisible and therefore untargetable. if that happens, 90% sure wipe. THAT BUG EXISTS SINCE FOREVER! and that's just the tip of the iceberg, maybe you'll understand better why people can be frustrated with that game.

[@Snufkin141]

I had a 7 year break too. Our experience is totally different. Mountains of content to get through, multiple currencies to earn, multiple new dungeons. I started playing again right before the Undaunted event. It was just madness lol. All these dungeons I never saw before, I learnt basically nothing about them because everyone was in a rush (it was fun though). I'll probably just burn out again trying to catch up. Currently levelling my scrying so I can improve my build but man that scrying game is garbage. Watching and listening to people that never stopped playing or have been playing for the past 7 years is very insightful. It's good to know what they think because I will probably think it too soon enough. I already think the same about all the Crown store crap. And in my opinion there is something deeply wrong with the game when 3000+ CP players are often useless at the actual content. I guess these people are good for ZOS and maybe good for the game economy (with the sketchy crowns for gold stuff going on). They must be just buying crowns, selling them for gold and spending all the gold on writs so they can level up yet another useless toon riding around on a silly looking mount lol. People unironically calling home decoration "the real end game" now. I can only laugh.

[@irishned6464]

I hear you but you have been gone for 7 years, and there are serious communication issues between the player base and the devs. This little survey is the only of of its kind I can remember in my entire play time on eso. They rarely ask for player feedback and when they do well, let’s just say you have a better chance of winning an Apex mount in the crown store then for ZOS to lactually listen to you. I feel like this would be a simple change, set up regular surveys, work with player chosen reps to act as intermediaries between the players and the devs. Also work to improve and implement changes based on the player feedback, and fix performance and be transparent about what going on and how their going to fix it. This isn’t a player problem, it’s a ZOS management issue. They have lost the trust of the ESO community and have yet to do a much of anything to improve their credibility

[@ricardojobdelgadoortiz3284]

New classes, new races, crossovers, class skins (blue fire dk, warden necromancer? Necro warden ? Skeletal bear )

[@WitchKingNoire]

I hope, and i say this from the bottom of my heart, your plan never comes to fruition at leas the one with the crossover classes. What a horrible idea which makes 0 sense. Also has nothing to do with guilds. But yeah that idea is not good.

[@silaf1496]

The game need to finally have progression not only in the difficulty level of the overworld but in levelling and the story itself.

[@denizforst]

I always tought having 5 guilds were so pointless and it kills the feeling of being a member of group. And 500 ppl for a guild is way too much. Yet the first comment on the post asking for more guild slots :D I will never understand mindset of eso's roleplayers

[@katsu1715]

gotta have an ERP guild for each of your kinks, and then one guild for a trader and pve xD

[@denizforst]

@@katsu1715 yep, basicly every player in the game is your guildmate😂

[@robertkoziol5474]

For me on XB NA server, my biggest gripe with guild management is the kick guildie and rank up or rank down are all mixed with the other actions like travel, why couldn't they draw a line and put those actions below it so you don't accidentally kick a guildie when you ment to travel to them

[@gregrice8546]

I feel there isn't any commitment level concerning guilds. No real use to know other members, reach out to do content with others or anything. I really think they should do guild vs guild keep sieges type battlegrounds.

[@Grimsforge-Gaming]

Very good video. You hit so many great points. Sad to see the current state of eso 😢

[@wynngwynn]

I think since guilds are connected to the trading system, we should have a certain number of 'trade guilds' we can join that don't take the 5 guild limit. I feel like since I trade a lot my trade guilds are hindering my actual social experience since I seriously never want to interact with my trade guilds.

[@silaf1496]

Same problem here. I actually had an argument with my gm about how usless the ingame listing is and that we should transfer the guild purely on discord to free a trading slot.

[@KaisersGB]

I felt that but about content creation and when people talk about ESO. My friends and fam always say they can't fully get into ESO and alwas gravitate towards WoW and other games like that. I have been wondering a lot this year if content creation that i am doing for ESO is even worthwhile. I do put a lot if effort but the audience is just not there. Makes me sad at times as as I genuinely enjoy the game and would love to keep doing content from it but with no real audience to share stuff with it makes it hard for me to be motivated enough to put the effort in.

[@NefasQS]

I can answer this: It’s not worthwhile especially if you want metrics or growth atm. If you want to do it anyway go for it.

[@KaisersGB]

@@NefasQS as long as I am having fun making it I will definitely continue doing it. It gives me the opportunity to grow my skills while I decide what I should apply those skills to. Definitely do enjoy these types of videos they bring me a lot of insight thank you for taking the time to make them 😄🍻

[@lt.danicecream]

They are using the surveys not for eso but for their new mmo

[@gharm9129]

Bingo

[@MageJiro]

What the heck would they even make? And based on ESO's quality, would you even want another zenimax mmo?

[@gharm9129]

@@MageJiro It's been in development since at least 2016, eso was a top mmo on launch, the decline started after one tamriel.

[@ertymexx]

My major beefs at the moment are too much grind and some rewards ridiculously hard to get, not because of challanges, but because of RNG. WAAAY too much RNG in this game.

[@Caelc15]

because it has one of the worst auction houses in mmo history

[@White_Nolia]

At least pc has an auction house console you spend hours going from trader to trader to gather info on pricing or items that are hard to find😂

[@jaeger3905]

If they stopped changing everything about the combat every 5 seconds I'd still be playing. But they screwed necromancer so no

[@dylsk8r]

Its a lack of fixing the things that are broken. there are so many things wrong after the last update. UI crashing HM boss battles

[@Ring-Wraith95]

Zos pressed about Throne and Liberty putting them in the dirt 😂

[@sirmarshall9521]

I tried TL for about 5 days. It's absolute garbage after that 'honeymoon' phase wears off from being part of a new MMO launch. The cracks started to show REAL quick.

[@Ring-Wraith95]

@@sirmarshall9521 me and my buddy made bets that most people who came from ESO wouldn't like it bc it didn't appeal to the absolute bottom of the barrel casuals and would quit before they fully understood the game and here we are

[@puppethound]

😂 T and L is a bad Korean Mmo ANOTHER bad Korean MMO.

[@sirmarshall9521]

@@Ring-Wraith95 I was fully geared, and max level. I understand the game backward and forward. I understand all of its systems, and it's a Korean P2W MMO. But go ahead and tell me again how I don't 'understand' the game just because it's your personal latest muse and you're super precious about it for the next few months. It's absolute tripe from the Voice acting/story all the way to the arbitrary lockout mechanics and beyond. Fucking hilarious that you think TL isn't 'casual' friendly. You and your buddy need to play more games.

[@bradandrews777]

​@@Ring-Wraith95Yeah! We are not good enough for you! How elitist of you!

[@jadedj5385]

Combat: Needs veteran areas within zones with a warning like Craglorn. If people value roles in overland people will be or ask for more of them. Wandering bosses in all zones. Trials: Doubles the purples and gold rewards. UI: Hideous on console. Key terms are the same color and font. Eyesore and deterrent for new players. Stories: Tone is too light. A little too cartoonish for a game that is played mostly by older people.

[@jgon12]

They gonna try to revamp the guild system instead of doing the revamp of pve difficulty.

[@ImTheJuggrnaut]

no need for new zone. you have massive world and you can make it where you can choose to raise difficulty. Imagine Sheogorath spawn at main cities and if you go talk to him he offers you two new options: Mad world: all overland content is veteran difficulty with new quests (written letters) no need for voice acting to make it easy. when you choose this "Mad world" the following will happen: - the sky color will change do reddish or dark theme + music change+ you can't use wayshrine because Sheogorath gave you your soul back to fit the lore + Forced encounter while you travel: a bubble will spawn and you can't leave it until you finish the task like kill the bandits who try to rob you or a tales of tribute challenger spawns or even mount race with npcs the other option from Sheogorath is Total Madness: all the above + PVP is active all the time except major cities "safe zone" Rewords will be valuable but the pvp one is faster to get them because its more challenging.

[@pandereodium]

I'm not buying new chapters for 3 years already and do not feel I'm missing out on some valuable experience. That alone is telling how meaningless everything ZOS do for the recent years. The last expansion I bought (which is Blackwood) was essentially a scam, because companions don't do everything they've demonstrated in trailer and overall are abandoned now as a system. But the most frustrating to me is that most players just put up with this, defending ZOS's marketing team as if they were their blood relatives. Ahh... I wasn't that emotional even when I divorced my ex-wife than while I'm talking about ESO's countless flaws...

[@krieg_guardsman9548]

Honestly kill the boss cool down times make it so the bosses can be reset at will. Then, have them scale like in the IA, but the scaling is linked to a timer rather than what arc you're on

[@EtherealSoul951]

I just want them to fix queues! there is absolutely no way it should take X+ mins/hours to get into a dungeon or BGs

[@eviejameson4706]

I left the game because of guild drama, essentially. Not that I had conflict with anyone, but I watched my main guilds implode due to tension that probably could have been avoided with better guild structures. Players should be clear on the intention of a guild, and just having a tag system isn't good enough. Almost every guild is tagged casual, even if they're a pretty serious trial guild. This meant that when a cadre of sweaty players, myself included, tried to use the guilds as a prog-trial planning system (for which there were already categories made on the discord, for crying out loud), there was huge pushback from the 70% who didn't want it to turn into "that kind of guild," even though these guilds were labeled for trials as well as casual play. I'm tired of watching friend groups implode over a bunch of silly nonsense. Along with the overpopulation of creeps, that was the death knell of ESO for me. I used to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on ESO in a year, and I'm surprised it's taken Zos this long to feel the bleeding because I know I'm not even close to the only one. Zos needs a major revamp if this game is going to drag itself from the trash heap of internet history.

[@katsu1715]

dang, i quit over guild drama too, after about a month of helping them learn vet dungeons they randomly kicked me because they thought i was a double agent working for another guild to try and take them down by leaking information about their locations in Cyrodiil, even though i never did PVP, was very shocking and sad

[@techwolflupindo]

One of biggest problem for guilds is the 500 player limit when only 50 to 80 is online at any time. Of those, 1 percent that can join random groups is less then 12 or 4 for dungeon/trials. Need to sell tokens in the crown store to increase the limit by 100 all the way to 5,000 limit. That would help a lot getting groups going.

[@su3stantial128]

Thankyou, you explained it perfectly and after playing since release on console, 10k hours+ across multiple platforms. I'm exhausted with all of it, I love ESO but Everything you explained and especially the shitty changes no one asked for 10 years in. I just don't understand ZOS anymore and they burn me out with what they did to this game, and the Idea of what it could have been.

[@OGWardenofMyHeart]

I've been playing a lot of SWTOR of late and dying makes me a better player. it makes me realise what my strengths are and where I lack in certain things. Just like GW2 there are areas on maps I have no business going into at particular levels and I appreciate that in a MMO.

[@salinaember9527]

i dont pay for eso+ anymore because of all the annoyances related to quality of life and bad design. if the game felt buttery smooth and amazing, with systems implemented in a satisfying manner, i would be more inclined to throw money. inventory is a major issue for me. there are so many useless items that i trash on a 20 minute basis. the gear and weapon itemization is a mess. grinding doesnt feel fulfilling. the list goes on. so why do i keep playing? i achievement hunt and expand my toons never ending collections. one thing that's been bugging me lately is the lack of rewards for completing achievements.100%-ing categories gives me achievement points? i dont even know what those are for. i want cool rewards for playing so i can show off. in the end, my biggest issues revolve around tedious design decisions that limit my freedom. eso+ needs to move on from their craft bag selling point, and "playing the game", whether its base game, overland, free to play, new player experience, NEEDS to feel like a premium experience. the guild system is one of those areas that drastically needs streamlining. being in a guild should feel like the easiest thing you can do in the game to boost your accessibility. currently, it acts more like an exclusive club where you have to pull your own weight and constantly compete. its stressful. linking the in game economy and market to guilds results in a non casual friendly limitations. overhauling guilds would dramatically improve the entire game.

[@notiowegian]

They have some amazing systems but they disconnected the systems from lore ,immersion, and progression, which put ALL of the point of the game onto challenge and difficulty. This funneled everybody to pvp and end game, except they did zero investment into pvp, and end game has no reward structure. They built systems like mythics to monetize the game...release new mythics based on meta or play style rather than for story, lore, immersion...the game is too superficial, to many surface level systems that are impossible to balance, so they let them fail or fall apart. Standard mmo stuff.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

For normal casual Joe there is no reason to join any guild for any reason other than a free fast travel anywhere and trading. Most of the game is basically a single player game with people running around. Such is my feedback. I returned to this game a month ago and the most MMO thing I did so far was being AFK near bank in Vivec City.

[@elderwiz3165]

Give us a difficulty slider to nerf our characters for overland/questing content. If it actually felt like I was fighting something I may want to start doing questing again. Now it's just mind numbingly boring when everything insta-dies and you can't tell the boss from the trash..

[@dangrimes6200]

I ended up just nerfing myself by using suboptimal sets and skills, based around RP. My frost warden is def not op, but he is a lot of fun to play. People rush to max power, then complain that everything is easy XD

[@JLawL]

T&L is likely what has caused active player numbers to drop from nearly 20k a day down to 11k a day. ZoS will start making a lot of changes now :)

[@lt.danicecream]

Doubtful they will be meaningful enough to bring those of us back that left. The game is a rollercoaster of suck.

[@GoochMuncher6969]

I hope so, but honestly at this point I feel the developers are just straight up lost

[@xyourdeus4972]

TNL is stealing mostly eso's pvp crowd I've noticed though, that's mainly cause eso pvp has been in a bad state and ignored for years versus TNL as a game that actually has multiple ways to enjoy pvp lol

[@gharm9129]

@@xyourdeus4972 no it doesn't lmao. Whale guilds haven't completely locked the servers yet but already solo or small friend guilds get trashed easy. Not to mention the player count went from 336k on launch to 239k at peak now lol

[@Xesh]

Artist, i don't have time for guilds, they slow me down. I play eso for the story content but it's bored me to death. I am in one guild, with 1 other friend who hasn't logged on in years. My biggest complaint is that ESO has built itself on the customization options, yet i feel stifled by its choices and changes. They limit themselves for pvp/ dungeon players, and leave much to be desired in terms of character freedom. No new weapon types, hardly any new skill lines, and classes are counter productive to TES experience. Love your content gobbless

[@_invinciScribe_24]

Just started playing Throne and Liberty the other day. I’m still gonna play Eso of course just not as much i think.👍🏾

[@odean14]

Nef is super excited about this one lol

[@bizzzzzzle]

I’m stop played ESO years ago, I almost came back with Gold Road, but enjoyed the console beta for New World, and will be playing that on launch, because there is nothing like a mmo launch like this. I may not stick around but those first weeks/months are always the best.

[@77Pollydog]

PS% NA. My observation is that people join for trials, game info no one tells you, & Toon setups

[@fangslore9988]

ESO's actual problem is that it needs to update the combat system and make the combat fun and the fact we have to grind for our classes which hurts replayability because you're limited by being forced to specific builds as well as limiting the experience to a somewhat linear experience. it makes the game stagnant because it becomes "i've done all the quests here i have no reason to explore the zone" situation. ESO should let us have freedom of customization and overhaul the zones or even merge zones and add more into them and give us a reason to explore

[@tiramisu8924]

I have one guild to run trials in and four others for BeamMeUp. I think a big problem is just that you can have 5 guilds and the size of them. In another game I play its one guild with 20 guildies whom I know alot about and stick together as a close friendgroup that also does other stuff together like watching movies, meeting up irl and so on. In ESO Id say 95% of the guild members are total strangers to me even inside the trial guild where Im active ingame and discord I basically only know the trial group and those that tag along from time to time when we miss a player.

[@alanbertrim7305]

When I played W.oW. the first thing a guild did upon entering, was to have one of their officers check me out, to see where i was and where I wanted to go, In eso, nothing, have been in the maximum guilds allowed ( have changed some, to no avai) the people in the trials today, are the same people on different toon from beta. Guilds for me are just a way to travel across the map thanks to addons

[@somegenerichandle]

the survey is already over!

[@wheeloftimem8481]

For me, what might fix my interest in ESO, would be to move the 2nd action bar to be next to the 1st bar, and when you use abilities on the other bar it swap to that weapon.

[@GoochMuncher6969]

After practically bingeing raids from u37-u41 I got really bored with the meta after the status changes every class feels the same now imo and the dps changes made some more unique set ups/classes just straight up unplayable as they took a nerf to damage from trap nerf ect but Zos never gave them a way to make it up as they naturally don’t have a lot of status damage, but my MAIN gripe is that now in pvp gimmicky/meme builds are top tier, heavy attack wardens spammin northern storm, bowblades can run dual procs like it’s 2019 again, magsorcs that you have to chase to the ends of the earth but they can burst you the moment you have your back turned, Templars in cyrodil that only spam the heal ult and beam, the list is endless. I dont want these options to be taken out of the game, but they shouldn’t be the “meta” option. When there are so many exploits it starts to make your impact as an individual feel less and less important. Hell even when I go 15-0 in a high mmr bg I still feel like “wtf was that” after a game. Cyrodil on Xbox Na feels horrible, we have MAYBE a 60 player cap and most of that space is taken up by the “winners” who just run 50k hp all day and just get their damage from coordinating ults while pumping out heals the rest of the time. I’m not sure who’s more at fault, the playerbase or Zos but either way cyrodil just feels awful and I usually can’t stand more than an hour even then I’m forcing it. When there was a time I could spend my whole weekend in cyro

[@willardtk]

I started playing ESO in the beta. The two largest problems I had with the game were combat and auction houses. The combat feels too floaty and unimpactful. Some skills don't feel this way, but a lot of them do, and overall I feel like it's incentivized to just spam various AOE abilities for various activities, which exasperates the floaty-ness/unimpactful issue. Guild traders serving as auction houses also felt very underwhelming. There's no reliable way to find what you're looking for, and there's no guarantee that if you sell something on your guild's trader that anyone will ever even see it to buy it. This lead to the creation of guilds that exclusively revolve around trading. Which is a cool example of emergent gameplay, but still, the guild trader solution to player markets is still not ideal.

[@LaidU2Rxst]

Why Baldurs Gate 3 won best video game of the year because they delivered a full game to there players and listened to the players when they messed up unlike Eso

[@xyourdeus4972]

Starting out back in 2017 I used guilds to run progression PVE content only for all the PVE guilds I've been in to just switch to using discord as coordination. Nowadays I would only use guilds to chat with people and use a guild trader and nothing else

[@JJisMe1972]

I have played for about 8 years now. I live in NZ and my main play time is when everybody is asleep. When I first started, for about 6 months I wasn't that good because there was nothing that really explained the combat system, Gear system and the real economy. I had a break for a few years and came back. There was a lot more information from content creators (Nefas, Skinny cheeks, Lucky ghost, ect) I was improving combat, reaction skills and learning the mechs. I started raiding, gaining gear I had about about 70K DPS. ESO was fun and kind of rewarding I practiced more and more and got to 110K DPS. They changed the way skills where calculated from client side to client/server/client side and the game turned to shit! Any heal skills, Rally, Ultimate and other skills would just start lagging It could take 3 to 4 seconds for a skill to go off! Humping a raid dummy was fine but in content it was unplayable. Then u35 happened! And ESO just changed over night! Does ZOS not understand that they are a Company that does not own it's player base it has to earn them just like every other company. It was said to control the power creep, but what it really did was punish 50% of the the player base for spending hours and hours of practice trying to improve to try to rein in the top 1 percent that just found ways around it in no time and was buck up to where they was pre u35. So I started using the 1 bar sorc for content, this was great cauz it was not effected so much by Skill lag and U35 Nerf, this was ok for awhile until they nurfed it into the ground. It's a game, games should = Fun and achievement , but it just got to the point where it's like running up a sand hill. I don't want a title / memento / mount or shiny trinket I want a game that is playable and a company that respects my loyalty, not one that dictates "How it is" with bad decisions. Lets take the Arcanist They released it. It solved most the skill lag issues for me I could do harder content with it Fantastic Then sure enough Nurf after nurf because it was no fun playing any other toon because the Arc was way over powered. So you have arc players that are pissed with the nurfs and other players that are pissed being so underpowered! You might get a small sugar rush on the release of the new class but the negative side lasts alot longer nobody like things being taken away from them U35 was the best example.

[@mariusbuys5355]

The flipside of easy overland is by giving the player to create a character that is mortal. In this way introduce true hardcore level IE if the character dies the character is lost. This should give the "content is too easy" complainers something to play for. A whole lot of rewards can be introduced to hardcore players that are not available to non hardcore level players.

[@highlandlass9652]

Good vid, Bethesda are about 5 years too late asking these questions a huge number of players have left the game and moved on to better games and dare I say it games where developers actually listen to their player base instead of as you said introducing content no one asked for or no one wanted. As for the ingame forum where someone asked if they would actually pass on the survey results to the team and Kevin said *of course* many players will be sceptical that filling in a survey is going to lead to improvements in the game - just ask the pvp community if their game is any better or has been improved. I will end by saying three or four years ago I led a guild with 500 members. It is still there but now we have just over 100 members. I think that says it all.

[@Eso_lags]

They need way better rewards. Across the board, to old and new content/achievements. Better incentives. Reasons for players to improve. And better performance. If they don't do all of these things the game will continue to remain stagnant and people will keep leaving. But they have shown time and time again they will not do these things.

[@ESO_PRIME]

Great points! If there was some competitive guild system or rankings in PvP & pve that would be fun as hell! My bg guild is always looking for a challenge

[@lazymadness4924]

"there's no fun in not dying"💀💀💀

[@wkrick]

They really need to automate guild dues somehow. I can't imagine running a guild if I have to keep track of everything with spreadsheets. It's particularly bad on PlayStation/XBox where we don't have addons to help with this.

[@TangoKittyOmicron]

I've never heard of that guild, Gas Scout? Gas Caught? I'm not even sure what name you said. Aaand that kind of makes my point: there's no reason to join a guild except for AFK selling on the guild vendors, and maybe a free discord channel filled with (hopefully) active people that might be online the same time you're online so you can run group content with voice chat capability. Everything else a guild might offer can be had as a solo player, so it's really not needed.

[@gscgold]

All I know is that it is ridiculously expensive to have a guild trader ,they should get rid of the cost of that altogether.

[@XYM117]

They should improve on things that become even annoying in the long run. for example: -the soul gems end up becoming so abundant, you don't even need to worry about them but still occupying space in your inventory -once you join a fully equiped guild, exploring for getting armor sets is no longer a thing Also getting better short-term rewards asside endeavours seals might work too, since the current videogame industry unfortunately made us used to it I won't mind a "just a quality of life" update for ESO. Also adding a free Whiterun DLC might get the numbers higher, since Skyrim is by far the most popular ES game. Just a humble opinion by a nobody

[@wilbing8465]

Guilds are the only reason this game is still alive. My 2 cents. If it wasn’t for 2 of my guilds, I would have quit this shiznit 3 months in. They are what create this community and make this mid of the game fun.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

When ESO was first released it had some challenge to it. Now, even new players can do most of the content and never risk a death in open world content and only see a group wipe in the most difficult dungeons. Most dungeons can now be rushed through in a matter of minutes.

[@bradandrews777]

They have to provide good ways to get better. Just dying is not it. You are young and make your money streaming. Many of us are not un your shoes.

[@simendadaniel8469]

Ive been saying eso is dying since like 2021 especially on console on reddit and then the cope lords be like yeah I see at least 30 people in craglorn game is popping. Like bruhhhh, if you played any endgame in the past 3 years you would know it's almost impossible to fill a group

[@TheTomexification]

Is the performance in Cyrodiil still shite? I quit because of that and the lack of new things in Cyro. PVE is crap and boring, it's about dps, you don't even see the mechanics.

[@frateranpvbail-shm6912]

Our Guild is mainly about PvE and Roleplaying with some Cyrodiil sprinkled in. Immersion has been ruined with Necrom and Gold Road and a lot of people left the game since then.

[@jasonchui111]

To this day I still don't understand why the decision to make zone level differculty scaling went through? There is no sense of progression if everything is weak and continue to scale weak everywhere you go. The only weak zone should be those 3 island starter zone for each faction, then normal dungeon level for all base game zone and vet dungeon level for all dlc zone. Craglorn should had always been trial level zone from the get go as it was intented be be a group zone.

[@xiaodaoputh2548]

Ghad I forgot this game still exists. Never got to finish any full questline, not very friendly on new players

[@archangel44625]

Content/Time ratio in ESO is not great or even good. All my points i was going to make you made. The "Fun" is gone from lack of content. FF14 there is always something to do, something to farm etc. Still love ESO but the pain is real.

[@BBRocker75]

Oh... the business mentality! Again. Now is obvious the HUGE DAMAGE that many tourist YT channels have been made to TESO with videos like: "How get rich in TESO in 2 hours", "How get from level 0 to 50 in just 30 minutes", "How get all skin and collectible in just one afternoon"... The Tik Toker mentality: As fast as you can or you get "bored".

[@supertrexandroidx]

Well, it's largely a matter of opinion, of course, as to which is more fun, ESP or FF14. I've played both, but stuck with ESO a lot more, so....

[@archangel44625]

@@BBRocker75 I've been playing since 2nd beta. So my point comes from a different direction.

[@archangel44625]

@@supertrexandroidx of course. I guess my comment more refers to the fact that ESO has made very poor use of the time that they've had so far

[@GoochMuncher6969]

I feel you bro, I took a two month break to try and freshen it up(I have 3.4k hours, I know the controls/mechanics by memory so i would really hate to give up the game as I like to try to “perfect” my gameplay) but on Xbox Na it feels so dead and my return really just hammered in all my gripes with the current meta’s both in pve and pvp, im bored. U44 actually looks decent pve wise, but I uninstalled last week and feel pretty good about it tbh might give it a year and try again on PC NA

[@txchainsaw8907]

How do they not already have a ton of feedback on this subject after 10 years…?

[@ski364]

Need a global hard mode, where the average mob pack is comparable to trial mob pack.

[@arrogance8478]

Why did I join a guild/guilds? Basically to give away stuff I don't need to other players via guild bank, selling items is just a side benefit because I don't really need gold.

[@White_Nolia]

I really wish the combat was more fluid alot of the movements seem a little stiff, i also think they should lower the drop rate on namebrand weapons and add an extra stat line like perfected if you can complete a 5pc example staff of vengeance, staff of despair (rattlecage set) also add another race and allow our companions to wear a helmet and change their skin along with fixing all the bugs but i guess that's wishful thinking😂😂😂

[@Eiszahn]

I hate having to be part of guilds to be able to access somethign thats objectively worse than just having a server wide auction house.

[@BluesHound100]

Give us the 6th guild slot as was promised on stream prior to Necrom launching... 😢

[@fobtasz4693]

"We are not needed" - THE GONG!!!! 😅

[@rodbingham]

I am Soooo Done with mmo' s... Not everyone is 13. Make single player games.

[@ItsJay822]

Guilds are kinda shit peoples egos are way out of hand on this game and it ruins the endgame experience.

[@ItsJay822]

And once you get to the end of endgame it feels like theres no reason to play

[@Metalmenace_]

Seems like people just want to defend their playstyle by making it more objective for one over the other cause then it makes it fun.

[@seabhacgra517]

Guilds in ESO are not really guilds.. just a friends list for buying/selling etc.. ESO's guild setup has been the worst setup in any MMO I've ever played. The entire game is a solo game you sometimes play with friends on a rare occasion. I only talk to or play with like 5-10 people out of several guilds of thousands of players.. they are not guilds, they are a convention of people milling around

[@irishned6464]

We’ll at least their asking questions that’s good I guess. And yea there is no guild system tools, all of that is done via discord.

[@theperfectgame484]

They are not asking the right questions at all.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

The guild system in ESO is pointless. The guild traders need to be scrapped in favor of an auction house system that anyone can participate in when they feel like it instead of having to meet certain minimum contribution levels. If you're in multiple trading guilds, then you can have a WEEKLY obligation to contribute up to 750,000 gold.

[@RioEin]

combat - I mash buttons and win. I dont need armor I dont need weapons I dont need others, can be naked and punch my way through more or less the whole game. game hardship is boiled down to either stun locking you till you die or it just insta kills you less you do *thing* combat depth: Block, dodge, no deflection or counter pvp - nothing but mages spamming the same 3 spells or tanks who heal you to death. guilds - i just need some random clowns to do some raids/cyrodiil now and then. Weapon types dont really change much because most of their bonuses just focus on their own skill tree. Alot of missing weapon types: pole arms, throwing knifes, spellsword(1h + magic) Alot of missing magic.

[@lotsoflove1897]

The survey is no longer active

[@jasonchui111]

They will lose more players if the nerf to Azure blight go through. Both pver and pvper hated the change. Only ball group players praise the change for obvious reason and they number in the hundreds across all platforms.

[@nblife916]

They've already had the survey shut down.

[@jasonramero6274]

I want guild traders to be gone and replaced with a universal trade center. Update the guild interface and add something new to them. They have been the exact same since launch.

[@ertymexx]

Meh, the survey is off. 😞

[@dr6543]

They slowly destroy bombing , one of the most fun you can have in eso . I think ever since rallying cry release pvp gone downhill massively