Why is V so much more common than Z?

[@ambo1245]

its interesting how despite the fact english and dutch are closely related, dutch uses much more often than english

[@arcie.lastname]

voicing of initial fricatives will do that to a language

[@EvenRoyalsNeedToUrinate]

Basically, Dutch writes a 'z' whenever German means /z/

[@1didnteatyourkids]

Nowadays /z/ and /s/ are constantly getting conflated in Dutch though. Some places which didn't go through initial fricative voicing don't do that even now with dialects disappearing and I've noticed a tendency to just voice every /s/ unless word-final from a lot of people from Gelderland

[@soupmanstevens160]

@@arcie.lastnamegerman /z/ in shambes

[@violet_broregarde]

It's kinda funny to hear "Spanish z is th unless you're in Latin America in which case it's s" because Latin America is like 90% of the Spanish-speaking world. It's like saying "gear shifts suck because you have to operate them with your nondominant hand unless you're right-handed." Another really common sound change I would've mentioned is that a lot of Latin f's turned into h's, which then became silent. fungus => hongo, ferrum => hierro, etc.

[@frank_calvert]

funny you mention the gear shift because in places like australia britain etc it would mostly be the non dominant hand

[@alezar2035]

The reason why it's ok and expected to say that sentence about Spanish is because Spain's central Spanish is the most prestigious and correct prononciation of the language The Lima dialect, the most correct dialect of Latin America also makes a difference between the two as a hard and soft S Of course even though it's less common, you talk about the best accent as the default

[@vladthemagnificent9052]

@@alezar2035 one dialect cannot be 'more correct' than another, they are just separate systems.

[@vladthemagnificent9052]

@@alezar2035 In the context of the video, however, this is indeed the expected way to present the fact, because the etymology is discussed, and Latin American pronunciation of z developed at the latest

[@theresemalmberg955]

I have a little game I like to mentally play when I am reading something. If I see a Z I look for an X and vice versa. You would be amazed at how often the two letters will show up on the same page, or in the same paragraph or even the same sentence. Try it.

[@zzineohp]

> amazed. you did this on purpose didn't you.

[@موسى_7]

​@@zzineohp I'm confused

[@StefanTheName]

sila V pravde, Za pobedu

[@Kolnazden]

Expected ironically political russian shitpost, can’t say I’m disappointed

[@vytah]

Since you chose Polish rather than any other Slavic language, I'm obligated to mention that you forgot another interesting fact: Z is not only used for /z/, but also in digraphs SZ, CZ, DZ and RZ, which are also pretty common. This makes Z and N the two most common consonant letters in Polish (which one wins depends on the corpus), and therefore Polish Scrabble is literally the only edition where Z is worth only 1 point. On the other hand, Polish does not use the letter V, except for unadapted loanwords (usually, /v/ is spelt W). So in Polish texts, you encounter hundreds times more Z's than V's. And there is no V Scrabble tile (and you are not allowed to use a blank for V).

[@mertatakan7591]

Isn't V used for /f/?

[@vytah]

@@mertatakan7591 No, that's German and some dialects of Dutch. /f/ in Polish is spelt F and occurs almost exclusively in loanwords (there are like 4 native roots that have it). /f/ can also come from devoicing of /v/ word-finally or next to an unvoiced consonant, and be spelt W.

[@mertatakan7591]

@@vytah The name of the letter V literally starts with a /f/ sound and there is no "initial devoicing"

[@vytah]

@@mertatakan7591 That's because the letter name itself was borrowed from German and it's spelt in Polish as "fał" or "fau". It's the same in English with H: its name is "aitch", but it doesn't mean H is silent, it's simply a borrowing from I think French.

[@mertatakan7591]

@@vytah H is silent in the word Haitch.

[@cubecookie3333]

3:59 Fun fact: 'Verga' is a common euphemism for penis in spanish! So common in fact that I did not even know that it meant anything other than just 'penis' until this video

[@NullCyan]

Same with "pau" in portuguese (coming from latin "palus" meaning a stick or a pole)

[@lettuceandotherveggies715]

Great video. I’m going to have to watch this four more times to truly understand it.

[@micheasz2552]

Meanwhile me, a Pole: Wery Konfuzed Szczreaming

[@deithlan]

This is one of my favourite videos ever I love it

[@zzineohp]

6:52 Hey Zzineohp! Small correction, Finnish isn't actually an Indo-European language, it's a Mongolic language, more closely related to Turkish than the other Indo-European language. Other than, horrible video! I showed this to my dog and he ran out in the street got hit by a car

[@secondpicture]

Altaic deniers seething rn

[@SoilerN]

Oh no, not the Altaic

[@Eelainer]

Finnish is a Finno-Ugric language

[@zzineohp]

@@Eelainer well my dog still dead and I want justice

[@ted9030]

It's a Uralic language

[@sayanchandaroy7420]

The one who drew all of these diagrams is one to be feared, perhaps even... veared

[@I_Love_Learning]

You can say that again!

[@chao3948]

killer intro literally

[@waterdrager93]

Thank heavens for Dutch orthography

[@pricefight]

dear god the latin to french evolution scares me

[@penand_paper6661]

2:55 You're pronouncing them too forcefully. The way this one Indian fellow taught me, it's pronounced like if a /b d g etc./ sound was immediately followed by an /h/. So more like a breathy [g'ha] as opposed to [gga]. Sorry for being nitpicky. I figured you wanted to know.

[@flambr]

1:51 SNL

[@vampyricon7026]

French only "fixed" /s/ after they've loaned a the words to English. That's why cash is cash instead of cass.

[@enricobianchi4499]

Wiktionary says that you're wrong: Old French had /sʲ/ in words like , which is palatalized because it's loaned from Occitan where the /ps/ of Latin gave the palatalized s. Cheers :)

[@allocater2]

I know some of those sounds.

[@shirshajitsingha7567]

nise vidio

[@Legatus_Pipinus]

Vov brou yor inglish iz perfekt

[@nuniyoa]

what kinds of specific things do you need drawn? i'm an artist (can't say much else without being marked as spam lol) so maybe i can help :O

[@zzineohp]

Octopus-type creature with different expressions

[@nuniyoa]

@@zzineohp hmm, as in different facial expressions or colored expressions on its mantle?

[@zzineohp]

@@nuniyoa facial expressions

[@nuniyoa]

@@zzineohp how many will you need? also is there a better place to contact you?

[@MutohMech]

nice

[@o_enamuel]

V vz. Z

[@zzineohp]

NO but that's literally what I named like, half of the steps for this video. The script, audio, and video recording, and the thumbnail image are all some variation of "VvzZ"

[@yeenmusic]

I'm an artist! I can do it!

[@zzineohp]

Great! I put my email in my channel description

[@avtomaticeskijrazdatcikgus2713]

Gee, why THESE two letters?

[@splitsee2526]

autizm sounds so cool now

[@modmaker7617]

Yeah, we Poles have stolen F from other languages. Sfora, ufać and obfity are the only native Slavic words which use an F instead of writing a W.

[@vytah]

And, depending on whether onomatopoeias count, fiut.

[@olegbebrowich5532]

also the letter H, exept CH, and all initial E and Y.

[@hibbs1712]

Finally, the dethroning of Z. We already have S and they're really cool! Go away!