"Why isn't faith good enough?" | Traci - Tulare, CA | Atheist Experience 22.42

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[@dylanhicks48]

This caller is an inch away from atheism. This call may have been the push. Well done.

[@LettersAndNumbers300]

Dylan Hicks I thought the same last time she was on, such a pleasure to hear a caller that’s actually honest.

[@Debonair.Aristocrat]

No. She's looking for flaws in logic and reason to reinforce her existing belief. It's intensely stressful to discard an existing belief let alone run with a new and contradicting one. Most people can't. The easy option is to justify the existing belief.

[@stephenolan5539]

She needs to be told that we want is not relevant to what is true. In fact if we want to believe something then that is a good indication that it is false.

[@stephenolan5539]

@Fred Brooks It is usually a waste of time to talk to someone who is a true believer. Their Morton's demon will prevent them from honestly listening. But there are people watching who might find the truth. Which is we don't know. And we do not have to know to know some answers are wrong. Why do you not want people to have logical fallacies exposed? Why does God need people to believe logical fallacies? And there are believers who think that Armageddon is a good thing and want the world to move in that direction.

[@stephenolan5539]

@Fred Brooks What about belief in the God Kali? Would you encourage belief in that God? Or is it only the trinity that you ask about?

[@adrianacosta1063]

For 15 years I worked for a phone company. We were trained to play on people's emotions and needs.. We had to ask questions to use their answers against them. And most shameful of all, we had to make them feel guilty if they didn't buy what we were selling. I guess religion is the big phone company in the sky.

[@cortexmemorystorageloft7611]

But you are the one calling them and they never answer 😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Wow, normal people do call

[@MsNateRiver1]

Traci just might be my favorite caller

[@TyphoidBryan]

I love her chuckle. It is fitting she is a voice actor.

[@lisahenry20]

Omg is she? Her voice is really satisfying to listen to and makes me feel a bit giddy

[@MizterMissile]

@@lisahenry20 yeah she mentions it and it makes this whole thing that much more wonderful.

[@pkjones5263]

Imagine if you said to someone "If you don't love me, I'm going to put you in a place where you will get endlessly tortured.... forever" I can't even begin to fathom what that does to a young mind.

[@growlinghands4696]

Visiting my grandmother's church when I was about 8 or 10 and was taken down to the basement for bible study while I waited for her. The teacher told a tale about a little girl who put off accepting Jesus into her heart until a church picnic, when she decided to do so after a boat ride. Well, the boat driver fell over, got caught in the propellers, sharks came and ate him, panicking, everyone in the boat went to one side and then capsized the boat, they got eaten by sharks, and in the case of the little girl - went to hell after she died. From being eaten by sharks. So all us kids were all told to get down on our knees and ask Jesus into our heart. I'm 47 and I still viscerally remember that. It was emotionally abusive in so many ways... I've been an atheist since 14 and at the very least rejecting that morning in that dark basement with the horrible brutal manipulation and fear mongering was a step towards that.

[@codybrowning5891]

It turns the young mind into a mental dumpster fire. I spent my early years constantly in fear of going to hell, paranoid of everything and all of my actions until I pretty much ended up as a social recluse until my mid-teen years. That's when I finally saw through the bullshit and began living life on my terms. My children will never know religion.

[@MrMarco855]

growlinghands……...You're denying God because of a human being that used a poor method. The Bible doesn't teach what she did, so why abandon God when he had no part in what happened? People often make this mistake. They don't understand that pastors, priests and the like are human beings. They make mistakes but no individual pastor is the entire Church. Each pastor develops a few methods as he goes along, fully believing he's doing no harm as long as he's getting the intended results. He's simply wrong, and that's it.. You should have checked the Bible, upon not finding this you should have concluded the teacher was wrong. We believe in the Bible, the cornerstone of our religion. If it's not in the Bible, don't blame the Bible nor God.

[@MrMarco855]

Cody Browning,...………….How did 14 years of the Christian part of your life serve you ultimately? You're talking about some things that troubled you in your youth, but whatever that was it's meaningless if the faith got you through with the correct foundation. If you turned out to be a decent person, and I don't know one way or another, but if you did then where does the credit belong? Going through difficulties hurts us somewhat but it's also our best teacher. Some children don't have spiritual guidance early in life, they may have suffered much worse then you as a result. We don't know each other's life problems, but you can trust that we all have difficult issues to face. What occurs to most of us as we become middle aged and ultimately a senior person? Then common denominator is that we all become more knowledgeable. Why does that happen if we're no longer going to school to learn? The bumps and bruises we suffer teach us more effectively that any classroom can. If something hurts, we quickly understand to avoid that. That defines wisdom, wisdom is essential for spiritual growth, that results in our place in heaven. You have to admit, we all knew a kid that was a trouble maker that was out of control at an early age. That kid will be confronted with hard choices because he's so out of balance, which makes the consequences unbalanced and more harsh. A poor actor needs more discipline, a bad child needs to learn the hard way, especially if he gets out of control. If your early years were uncomfortable for you but you became well behaved as a result, then you won't have to endure the repercussions that an out of control child will face during his life. Your good behavior doesn't require punishment to correct, thus not any serious consequences. Some will say that's a boring existence, to be disciplined and live balanced, but you will understand the benefits, particularly the final benefit in heaven.

[@baileymoran8585]

It damages me as a kid. My parents were understanding, but I went to a private religious school, and I heard a lot of very toxic, terrifying things. Not just the obvious sexism, as a little girl, but I had a lot of very unhealthy fear surrounding belief and faith. Believing things just because I was told them was never natural for me. I figured out santa wasn’t real long before my parents dropped the whole act. It was unnatural to not ask questions and look for evidence and proof. I had none, and I can’t say I ever really believed on my own accord. I was very committed to going through the motions because I’d fear. THAT is manipulation! In my early teens, I admitted to myself that I was not a believer, and then through time, stopped pretending. My life became much better once I started being myself. Of course I had bouts with tragedy, trauma, and suffering, but being free to believe that there was no cosmic reason for it, and nothing about me that necessarily deserved the things that were not my fault, was much easier. I still have a lot of shame around my first traumatic event, which was not my fault, because of what I was taught at that time. I wasn’t even sold on those beliefs on morality, but it was so deeply indoctrinated in me that it was habit. I catch myself now as an adult slipping back into it.

[@Richard-jm3um]

The caller is so sweet...

[@Rack-out]

Sounds like assistant mayor belleweather from zootopia

[@MsDjessa]

@@Rack-out She said she's a voice actor so I had to check if it was her. IMDB says no.

[@TheMan-zj3oq]

She's cloying and far too agreeable, if you ask me... she comes off sounding like she's the furthest thing from a skeptic. Never questioned or even attempted to challenge matt on anything during the call. If someone like her does become an atheist, I can guarantee they'll have done it for all the wrong reasons

[@jasonhurley1293]

I like this caller. She's deeply questioning her long held theist belief's.

[@blairfranklin7320]

The caller is probably the most respectful person ever to call that show.

[@smiggieballs8805]

Traci seem like a person i could talk with. Really soft and calm voice.

[@bosco008]

Best 25 minutes of this show ever.

[@namelessrose3859]

agreed

[@ryanspangler4569]

Not even close. New viewer?

[@Pvt.N00B]

I'm a simple man. I see Matt, I like.

[@bsmith8063]

GOD DAMNIT I LOVE THIS SHOW!! I just recently discovered logic and reason. Instantly became an atheist. Found this show. And now I can't stop... keep it going AE! It is so amazing to finally find people that make sense. (From Memphis TN)

[@johntobin7368]

Absolutely! Welcome to "the club"! LOL. There are many, many archived clips (and whole shows) of AE available on KZbin. I my humble opinion, the shows with Matt & Jen (as here) or Matt & Tracie Harris are the BEST ones - but you will no doubt find your own favs.

[@BootBizarre]

Just imagine a parent who tells their child, 'I can't pick you up from school today and I'm sending someone to pick you up that you don't know. However, you shouldn't go with just anyone because there are really bad people who might try to get you to go with them and the bad people will hurt you. But it's ok, just use your childlike faith to determine who you should go with and you'll be fine.' That is why faith isn't good enough.

[@SC-zq6cu]

Why isn't faith enough ? Try crossing a busy intersections just having faith that you will be safely able to do it, and then ask yourself the same question when you hesitate to do it. The answer will come surprisingly easily.

[@subnegro9173]

Faith is irrational

[@blakethecommunist3301]

ikr. I once had somebody complain about how Athiests are the irrational ones by claiming that "since science doesn't say there is no god and Athiests base their worldview on science and that since god can't be disproven Athiests are irrational." I wish creationists would start understanding atheism a bit more before trying to debate it.

[@thepuzzler3347]

Like having faith in the globe Earth even though you've never seen it for yourself and never will. Earth is flat

[@michaeldobson107]

Argument from Ignorance.

[@subnegro9173]

Jackass we've proven that.

[@rofl22rofl22]

Oh god, not the flerfers. Please I stopped watching FE videos because your incredibly stubborn and insincere attitude coupled with your lack of understanding of simple geometry makes me irrationally angry. Please, keep your bullshit to yourself.

[@chrisjones9525]

Let’s not disrespect children. When they are allowed to express themselves, they are honest and strong and fair. The biggest problem is that adults don’t listen.

[@NN-wc7dl]

"Why isn't faith good enough?" Well, take a jump from the highest rooftop and you'll see!

[@FallingGalaxy]

For a few seconds until you die anyway. lol

[@michaelgirodat1062]

I've had to hear and hear about Joyce Meyer since I was young and watch that woman get to my mother, no matter what I said or did. I really can't stand that woman for so very many reasons. She can just go away, along with Joel Osteen and all the rest of them.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

This call demonstrates lots of things, but for me, the basic, widespread lack of understanding of what a scientist does is the most worrying. We need to educate the public as to the purpose of science, and how it works. I think that so many people equate a scientist’s word with a religious leader, as in, they make stuff up and expect people to believe it, when just the opposite is true- science is a method of discounting and eliminating unreliable information.

[@27273100]

Now *THAT'S* maturity. I sure hope to see more of it.

[@Hoopfan83]

Jen is soooo beautiful and smart. Matt such a great debater and speaker.

[@MrMamfbr]

c'mon, matt is just sexy af too

[@PrincessAshley12]

I 100% agree, full gay for Jen 😍

[@davidstarks3308]

Jen is awesome!

[@MrMarco855]

Matt is the most difficult to tolerate I've seen. They carry a smirk that indicates foolish pride. Matt is so sure of himself that I can say he's a liar because never would he admit being wrong.

[@Vivi2372]

@@MrMarco855 you've clearly not watched much of the show. The smirk is because they've all heard and destroyed these arguments a million times before.

[@nutty01]

Matt has become so polished. Good job took me forever to notice this.

[@bobtimster62]

Reminds of an old Groucho Marx line in one of the Marx Brothers movies, "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"

[@allieoop7024]

This was a great call

[@freezoneproject567]

AXP, I'll wager you get tired of answering different permutations of the same question 1000 times.

[@michaeldobson107]

But, they keep plugging away. However, there are hundreds of thousands of self-proclaimed theists who have these questions, which clearly demonstrates that, at this point in their lives, they have serious doubts about the religion and narrative (the Bible) they were raised to believe, or they are atheists in all but name, and are just playing the role around family and friends.

[@mitchhaelann9215]

And I'm sure Mohammed Ali got tired of practicing straight jabs, but if you want to be a champ, you have to keep practicing the basics. Michael Jordan never neglected basic free-throw practice. Usain bolt doesn't stop walking. Bruce Lee never skipped squats in his morning exercise. And the AE hosts keep knocking out 'faith'.

[@natsdad300]

great call

[@LexVable]

If I were God, I would become an atheist by now.

[@blakethecommunist3301]

Lol, just wondering, your profile picture is the seven sisters right?

[@gabrielesimionato1210]

God is atheist. He doesn't believe that a superior being created him.

[@LexVable]

I don't know what you mean by seven sisters. I just took the part of the sky which represent a holy trinity for me: mother, father, child. And man created God, so he is right if he believes what Simionato said. Oh, and God, we don't condemn you to hell if you don't believe in us. Edit: Oh, you mean Pleiades lol. It could be that, I'm not sure. Probably.

[@27273100]

Alex Virt -- He would have *every* good reason to take the atheist route.

[@derekmizer6293]

@@gabrielesimionato1210 absolutely. God is 100% atheist and he punishes atheists

[@taiwoolaleye6333]

lol being a Nigerian, listing to how money scams work

[@uschurch]

Almost everyone I know has gotten several offers to earn serious money by helping some imaginary Nigerian prince with some shady business. Usually by email and it usually involves the victim handing over some cash first. But I think it's now running out. Most people seem to have caught up to it by now.

[@alexrosca2243]

And they say God loves you, but if you don't he is senting to an awful place.

[@kelthekonqrr]

Forever!!!

[@kentonbaird878]

About as loving as a North Korean dictator.

[@27273100]

Alex Promods -- ...and then wonder why people are now running in the other direction. Love can never be earned by fear, threats or scare tactics of any kind.

[@dukeemzworth3005]

Faith is only gullibility & credulity, dressed up as a virtue by religions. That is what it takes to believe that some cosmic Jewish zombie, who was his own father, can make you live forever if you telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove evil from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Joyce Myers is just carrying on in the tradition of famous Christian leaders like Eusebius of Caesaria, 4th century Bishop under Emperor Constantine, who said : "How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine, and for the benefit of those who want to be deceived." And Martin Luther, the 16th century founder of Protestant Christianity, who said : "What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."

[@funkmasterlovecraft3577]

This has to be among Matt's Best Hits.

[@smooa1889]

i like her personality

[@codybrowning5891]

This show needs more callers like Traci. This gives me hope that humanity won't actually fuck itself to death with false rhetorical bullshit.

[@unsignedmusic]

How can any sane person still believe in god after this call???

[@yoursotruly]

People believe what they want to be true, if you want an afterlife to be true, you believe it is true and hope your belief will make it true. If you convince those around you that it is true, you will feel more confident in your shared belief. Until a person gets to the point of wanting to believe what is most true, whether it is what they wish were true or not, the fortress of ignorance is nearly impenetrable.

[@ericmishima]

Why would Joyce Meyer do that? $8,000,000. that's why.

[@bobtimster62]

I always found it interesting that what got Adam and Eve into trouble was, out of all the trees Eve could have chosen to eat from, she chose the Tree of KNOWLEDGE. (I guess they didn't have a Tree of Faith back then?) Kind of says it all, doesn't it.

[@YY4Me133]

It was the tree of knowledge _of good and evil._

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

No it's. Just a story

[@pollypockets508]

I wanna see Matt up against James Dobson.

[@pollypockets508]

I don't mean that in a sexual way.

[@AlanFehr]

@@pollypockets508 🤔🤔🤔😄

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Who?

[@wp4866]

meyer fires this lady up? gad.

[@criticalthinker2380]

Her face is the thing of nightmares

[@bradweir6993]

@@criticalthinker2380With the fugly mouth of a slobbering camel. A horror show.

[@АлексейЗабора-г4к]

I don't think, that faith healers are honest. In the best case scenario they are lying to themselves. If they were honest, they would want to test their powers and realize that they are wrong in their beliefs and correct their delusions.

[@namelessrose3859]

this was great

[@dc3470]

matt u have a brilliant mind, somewhere on the level of hitchens & dawkins. i appreciate ur logic and videos. i am glad and proud that u r on my team. by the way i am a middle-aged black non-believing male. i was 5 or 6 yrs old when my church-going geat aunt once told me to get on my knees and pray to god. but when i closed my eyes and began 2 pray, i felt that nobody or nothing was on the other end of the prayer. and when i was a college student taking biology, astronomy, and anthropology, that pretty much leaned me in the direction of a non-believing sceptic

[@Randolphsw]

Fantastic

[@tedgrant2]

Christians think we should worry about what happens after death. Which is very odd when you consider what Jesus said in Matthew 6:34 I must admit, I didn't understand all of it, but the first message was pretty clear. The last message remains a mystery to me even today.

[@OpticaltrendsUs2014]

It's extremely difficult to admit you have been completely mistaken and you have foolishly wasted 20, 30, or more years of your life... most "believers" are in active denial, that's why they get hysterical whenever confronted with evidence disproving their believes... admitting they have been fooled takes a lot of courage and inner power...

[@MrMarco855]

OpticalFriends,...…..How about this; I won't get hysterical if you confront me with this evidence you're referring to. Explain what evidence you have that disproves my belief in God. Theists never admit to being fooled because we never believe that. On the other hand, most atheists began as believers, I haven't heard a single atheist admit the they were a fool. Furthermore, the years that a person believes in God, even if they change that belief, aren't wasted years as you claim. I think other things took place during those years that you're not mentioning. Atheist can't make a point unless they embellish it into something that's not true.. If you drink alcohol, you wasted all those years. If you smoke cigarettes, another waste of years. What about the things you've done to others that hurt them? More wasted years. I think you've wasted more years then you have to waste.

[@omaha2pt]

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God that has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect, has intended us to forego their use." Galileo Galilei

[@Phoenix-King-ozai]

I have faith that faith isn't enough, so...

[@Bugricua]

Oh my, KZbin had a 29 minute AD for Jack Graham ministries before letting me watch. Loving the skip button right now about now.

[@joerusso7851]

My mother just survived 6 hours of aneurism surgery, and all my Christian friends want to credit it to prayer.

[@tedgrant2]

What a great show. It's magic.

[@joerusso7851]

I love the callers personality, lol.

[@sergeyfox2298]

To defend the lean not on your understanding verse: It is true that we don't have entirely reliable means of learning correct information, or that we fall prey to false beliefs, because we are not equipped to detect truth very well. God is supposedly the thing to lean on, because he has knowledge, means to know, faculties to know, he knows everything. He is wise etc. Proverbs 3: 5-6 is ironic, because the text claims that the commands which the person wears on them will give them instructions to keep them healthy and prosperous. Here, these commands are supposed to bless you. If they bless you, these commands are from God. So.. a little twist, but... If we are not given any reason to think that the God claims have any positive consequences for us, and that we are not growing in wisdom from our personal beliefs in the gods we follow, then our beliefs are not legit according to this passage. This passage has a belief that following God's commands will actually make your life good, enhanced whatever, so you should follow them. Well, it would be reasonable that if our personal God beliefs or commands don't get us anywhere in our practical lives, our beliefs should be interrogated until we find claims that produce positive consequences. I admit, this is a utilitarian Argument for not believing in gods or following faculty commands, because the gods we believe in don't bring us what we should be getting, but it does show as well that theists themselves should be engaging with the text more rigorously to make sure they are not falling into prey traps to believe in things that could make them violate this verse. To lean not on your understanding, so follow God doesn't necessarily mean God should be followed ignorantly. It means that this God is making reliabillist Arguments that following him will make you well. If you have beliefs that are not doing this, then God is likely not talking to you, so you should be quick to question and not believe until God blesses you. If nothing comes of this God, then assume God has no issues with you for not believing until he shows himself to you. I am subverting Religious Arguments to demonstrate that God himself likely is ok with you being an atheist until you have evidence of him and his direct actions to help you.

[@stevenread5473]

The big question is that why can't you preach a rightous word without mentioning GOD? When you answer that question you immediate realize that the preacher who uses GOD as a crutch is a Charlaton. Of course this is why $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@leosantos6770]

My english is awful but I will trying to make my point Christian - why don't believe in god by faith? I - because faith is not the better way to achieve the truth. Cristian- "but you not supposed relying on your own understanding, you have to be like child to believe in" I- why god would gave me a brain to be retional and hop that I accept bullshit without evidence? Cristian- but why not accept? If you can live forever instead of burn in hell forever in case you be wrong? I- because we have all of the evidence that mens has create gods thourought our history and any evidence that god has created men and writing book.

[@garyhewitt886]

Tracie sounds like a real nice lady.

[@heavymeddle28]

I've been a hardcore atheist my whole life. Almost angry with people who believe in stupidity... Until now. I'm 47 and as I get older I'm thinking that if belief makes people happy... Then they should believe. I'm always gonna be an atheist and 99.9% of all religious people that I know are good, honest and friendly. I moved from Sweden to Thailand 5 yrs ago and live on an island where 70% are Muslims and rest of cause mainly Buddhists. All of this is for me extreme... Black magic, Muslim graveyard's on their own land, burnig their loved ones, etc and its interesting. If I just shut up, smile and watch what they're doing its really cool

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I agree to an extent in that people should be free to believe what they want so long as they dont ram it down other peoples throats, try to convert people to their belief system or make laws that control and restrict non-believers rights and freedoms. The problem is that many if not most religions do just that.

[@brentmiller3951]

Except the vote with those beliefs and want people there book does not like to be unequal or use berth control so they are good people unless your gay or need an abortion so I do not agree but that is ok

[@userscnamesux775]

Spirits do speak, hearers with ears do hear. Revelation & discernment happen today, don't limit your environment to only the natural.

[@alexrosca2243]

I enjoy your show. I''m also an atheist. I just go at church for the sake of it. Must of church is emotion and it's not logical. Sermons that don''t make sense and a bible with lots of issues and errors. Just read Bart Ehrman and Dan Barker, and Dawkins.

[@alexrosca2243]

My mother is scared that I will be lost without the community. I disagree.

[@alexrosca2243]

I will be fine but you know christian moms by the way.

[@alexrosca2243]

You have a point. I go at the movies on the sundays that I don't wanna go.

[@PrincessAshley12]

Satan>God.

[@billybobby7607]

Joyce income 8 million. So yeah...

[@kravenbludd]

Why don't people understand this? It's so obvious!

[@Chaturanger]

Some believers simply state that they have faith in God’s existence. However, we can have faith in anything, including that God does not exist, so the use of faith is functionally indistinguishable from the statement ‘God does or does not exist because I said so’.

[@TheKosmikid]

Faith is for fools.

[@MinimaAmoralia]

I have a faith in humanity. I hope I am not a fool

[@MinimaAmoralia]

@@xtraspecial4677 I keep that in mind. However, my faith in humanity does not follow from the lack of my intellectual apprehension

[@TheKosmikid]

@@MinimaAmoralia What does that mean?

[@MinimaAmoralia]

@@TheKosmikid what exactly?

[@TheKosmikid]

@@MinimaAmoralia having faith in anything. How is that helpful? It's like praying for someone. You can do it, but it won't accomplish anything.

[@joshuapeek9555]

its tuu-lair-ee lol

[@sergeyfox2298]

To defend the faith of a child statement: To give charity to the text, if children have this uncanny ability to know deeply that their parents are reliable sources of knowledge, then technically the text is not supporting the idea that we should blindly accept God, but like children who are able to trust their parents BECAUSE OF THE RELIABILITY OF THE PARENTS TO PROVIDE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH FOR THEM, then the text shows that to come as children before God means that God has a history of demonstrating reliability to the person. To not be ageist and also nuanced, children are seen as having a sensitivity to know how deeply credible the authority figure is; children are going to see that their figures they rely on are legitimate, because of how much this authoritative figure has done for them. They don't just blindly follow anyone incidentally, they're quite alert of who's a stranger and who's not. This passage is quite good, because the text shows how God is not a stranger, but a parent BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH GOD EVIDENCED PROVISION AND KNOWLEDGE ETC. Therefore, this text could be used to show that to blindly accept the truth claims regarding God is not child like, because children don't actually follow random strangers. They cling to whomever evidences positive results to them. If I perceive God of this text to be a stranger, I will not have the ability to cling to this God, unless there is Evidence that this God is real and doing things for me, as any child would do. I have the faith of a child by having faith in something that I feel demonstrates external and internal reliability. In some sense, children are not stupid and going to just arbitrarily follow the immediate thing in front of them, unless something is clever enough to fool the child. But that takes time for children to be that trusting. So faith is not the issue for me anymore, it's whether I should put my faith in something I don't nor can conceive of confidently. Indeed, I'd say this verse is being manipulated by Ministers to get people to trust in something that doesn't internally sit right with them. In fact, people are being turned against their inner child by supporting of believing something that doesn't evidence existence or reliability. Children are pretty smart.

[@kamillaiqbal6521]

I want a good god so badly...dont want it to be energies or shit. But I want no afterlife. I wanna rot and be nothing.

[@amateuroverlord8007]

It's hard to make someone believe something when their paycheck depends on them not believing it.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

These guy don't get paid for doing this

[@aurorafrost288]

Had Jesus really existed as described in the bible, you just know he would have been clever enough to instantly win the kiddies over by having them pull his finger. And just imagine all the miraculous twists he could put on that trick too... That's it. Now either DarkMatter2525 or Family Guy needs to do this stat.

[@joelalexander5338]

Joyce Meyer was an occasional guest in my parents’ home when I was young. I also attended the same school she and Dave’s kids attended. She was very rude, bombastic and controlling. I always felt sorry for Dave, her husband, and knew she was a brat. She got her start at Life Christian Center in South County, a suburb of St. Louis. She was a very unpleasant woman that is very wealthy now. She is a brat human, that has exploited many people, and folks don’t know what a horrible creature she is. I and my family knew her personally. She’s a true b.

[@The231447LucidDevTeam]

At least she's honest with you. But is she honest with herself

[@KhaleelSanDiego]

"she gets me so fired up"...the manner of speech...never giving you a moment to think..has nothing to do with proof.

[@jkryanspark]

Joyce Meyers-- net worth $25 million.

[@alexrosca2243]

Faith= personal experience that is subjective. It''s not objective.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

there may be hope for the caller to eventually escape biblical prison..

[@LoneStarTexan97]

The more you know the less you understand.- Laozi

[@atheistgenocideinthebible1102]

Matt: „Oh my God“!!! ( Witch fucking „God“? )

[@vickybiagini950]

Leonard Simon, you're right there's nothing after life. There's no purpose to this life, why would there be another one? All we do in this life is grow older and older. Ba humbug to human existence. I'll be glad to rest after death.

[@charlesatty]

But what if I dont know it and I am really the last living heir of the richest man who live in Nigeria & if I just send $10,000 to this guy they will send me $200,000,000.00? What if your wrong this is a scam? My neighbor tells me he is an ancestor of the good thief on the cross. And jesus wants me to loan him money to start a frog legs factory.

[@FourDeuce01]

At the same time the bible says to lean not upon your own understanding, it also says when you grow up you should put away the things of a child. Cherry-picking time.😂

[@alexrosca2243]

We have a lot of problems in the world, add also religion and christianity=more problems.

[@legshakermaker1968]

This call breaks down the religion scam about as well as any on this channel.

[@kayallen7603]

The lady with the Bible verse about children not being taught faith during childhood etc. is actually a recognition that Child Indoctrination is Necessary.

[@mightymouse1361]

Does she do the voice of Bart Simpson?

[@OCDTraci]

That was a huge compliment and I love it, haha. I wish I could say I did, but that role is already taken by Nancy Cartwright ;)

[@JJ-cx6ro]

Fallout 3 maybe?

[@monsterlair]

The first voice i thought of was Brittney Karbowski.

[@mike_WolfyBootsBoi]

I think I heard somewhere that Nancy Cartwright was a scientologist.

[@michaeldobson107]

She joined the Church of Scientology in 1991. She was awarded Scientology's Patron Laureate Award after donating $10 million, almost twice her annual salary, to the Church in 2007. Like any other church, they just want your money, mate.

[@seekersoftruth1057]

Faith, can I say enough?

[@thestraycat907]

Oh wow shes my favorite caller shes so cute

[@dknight25]

I think using moral values to make an argument will inevitably result in a fallacy. It's probably better to take a different approach; logical reasoning, science, etc.

[@tedgrant2]

There are people who can, apparently, move small objects without any physical contact. When ever this "power" has been tested using simple precautions, it has disappeared. Jesus was very fond of claiming that anyone could do this trick, given enough "faith". "Verily, I say unto you, if you doubt not, faith can move small objects" (Mark 11:23)

[@linkeron1]

Shut up! There is no god! There is no jesus! There is no heaven! There is no hell! Your stupid religion and every other is immoral and bullshit! Shut up and let your religion DIE!

[@linkeron1]

@@tedgrant2 "The problem is fear" yea, of your stupid bullshit hell that DOESN'T EXIST! LMFAO

[@linkeron1]

@@tedgrant2 Shut up! There is no god! There is no jesus! There is no heaven! There is no hell! Your stupid religion and every other is immoral and bullshit! Shut up and let your religion DIE!

[@linkeron1]

@@tedgrant2 don't u fucking get it! the bible is immoral and bullshit! I don't give a single fuck about Matthew 6:7 or any other stupid bullshit verse from any other bullshit bible or any other bullshit religious text!

[@linkeron1]

@@tedgrant2 lmao, what? The truth is that there is no god, there never was, and there never will be! NEVER!

[@dolnick7]

I find faith to be a totally worthless thing. I find it impossible to accept that some supreme being would consider faith any differently. If, on the other hand, you knew you were trying to push a bunch of illogical horseshit down people's throats, then faith as the ultimate attribute makes perfect sense.

[@tedgrant2]

God is very pleased with people that believe without proof, evidence or a logical reason. This is basically what Jesus said according to John 20:29

[@vickybiagini950]

Just watch Dean Braxtons Heaven testimony. Just for the sake of it. Expand your mind beyond the pysical world a little. His testimony is incredible. This man's telling the truth.😇😇😇😇😇😇

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

how do you know any of it is true it is just his opinion......your level for evidence is farcical

[@BigHeretic]

*Vicky Biagini* I watched it "just for the sake of it". Why did he have to have a cardiac arrest to have this experience, why did he have to tie up so many resources for Jesus to give him this message? Is it just a coincidence that his brain was being starved of oxygen at the time and that he already believed these things before imagining them in a near death experience?

[@christophermilhas5005]

What's the deal with this person named Joyce Meyers (or something)? This is the second video I've seen that mentioned the name

[@IYPITWL]

God be like "Dang I made then too smart"

[@criticalthinker2380]

Faith isn't used by these people for mundane things...so how do they excuse it for such important issues??!! Hey lady...lend me $100... Just have faith that I'll pay you back!

[@MMAGamblingTips]

I want to believe that she will abandon her childish religious believes, but I am skeptical. I know it takes a long time for some people to climb out of make-believe, but this is her second call but it almost seems as if she is just so entrenched in theism, I don’t see her getting out of the hole. Moreover, her final sentence really gave me pause. She said that she would “like to come down to the Live audience one day just for fun“. To say she’d like to come by am as one thing but to add the qualifier “just for fun and is very disconcerting.

[@alexrosca2243]

I like logic and the methods we use to determine facts: Such as detectives do with evidence.

[@brijrajprasad6062]

Faith is enough because some people are illiterate and blind.

[@andrewmarkmusic]

Another way to look at this although admittedly weird is why is God allowing Satan to use logic and reason to disprove God?

[@teddyrattlesnake2991]

Matt's Kung Fu is powerful.

[@bozhidarbalkas7269]

A cunning thought by Paul in Ro 9:18, "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden". Paul is saying that God chooses some people for his and rejects the rest. The 9:18 can be understood as saying that the people he rejects, have rejected him, because of their hard heart. God does not need to harden hearts or hide the meanings of his word [Mk 4:22, 2 Co 4:3, etc.] as he can reject people in one second.

[@TheKosmikid]

Bozhidar Balkas so what?

[@NastyLittleBagginses]

Boy, for an "all powerful, all knowing" deity, your god sure does sound an _awful_ lot like a fickle and petulant child.

[@kelthekonqrr]

Nice mental gymnastics at the end. You just reinterpreted it so you can justify the injustice.

[@bozhidarbalkas7269]

Hammer. Sorry! I should have explained that i study the Bible to expose it as a lying book.

[@bozhidarbalkas7269]

2 Co 4:4 "The God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they can't see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God". Some people may reject the guess that the God is even human let alone a male. According to Paul, God, by making us blind, may mean to say [but dared not] that God made us stupid; unable to learn, or understand anything the scribes wrote and said. So, if God struck us dumb and dumber, why do the clergy command their sheep to blame us for not accepting their God or his word? But the scribes and/or clergy go even further in deceit and in deceiving their captives; by stating that even believers cannot understand the Bible unless they receive the holy spirit or Spirit from God.

[@TheRamas4]

I am so amazed by the people who created god and created religions just based on fear of unknown. They are the most smartest people ever. Tell me one other scam that can con billions of people and keep flourishing for 1000s of years.