Why Kids CAN'T READ OR BEHAVE: Educational SCAMS Are Making Teachers QUIT & RUINING Gen Z & Alpha! 😡

[@phatmhat9174]

Been watching your videos for a few years. Great stuff, thank you! I've taught for about 20 years now, 15 in Arizona, where public charter schools are a free option for students. So, I've been able to see many different schools take a variety of different approaches. Many would take the approaches we've repeatedly heard about in your numerous interviews. Some have taken other approaches however, for example, valuing teacher lectures with admins responding somewhat forcefully to misbehavior. You'd think, "Great!" right? But here's a critical thing I've noticed from the variety of schools I've taught at or been familiar with. No matter what approach that's pursued, no matter how strictly it's adhered to, whether in regards to teaching or discipline, teachers or admins,... ...the single most impacting factor in student engagement and behavior has been the innate or practiced ability for a teacher to command respect from the students in the classroom. I've seen pretty much only two ways teachers have done this. 1 - they behave in such a way, talk in such a way, come across in such a way that the kids almost, at least at the start, "fear" messing around. And it's not a fear of what the admins will do, but a fear of what will happen then and there, coming from the teacher. Often the teachers who command respect in this way are a) male (but I've seen a number of females), b) coaches, or admins (or on the way to being an admin), or ex military. c) They have a more serious, don't mess around, don't talk a lot, speak more forcefully, type A kind of personality or way about them. Kids who resist, the teacher never budges and makes you feel uncomfortable for attempting to wiggle out. The teacher is unmovable, yet while being so, takes some opportunities to show mercy, on his/her conditions. Kids quickly learn to not even attempt to negotiate, they've seen it repeatedly not work and be an embarrassing endeavor. After things have been calm and routine for a while, the kids "fear" has become more respect, and they actually "like" the teacher and the class. THEN this type of teacher starts to soften up, just a little bit though, with the kids well within boundaries, not needing much forceful direction. 2 - The other type of teachers I've seen command respect have often been a) female (again, plenty of males too) b) extremely caring and nurturing such that the kids feel this. (It's not just that the kids are "loved" but that they feel and know they are "loved.") c) The teacher spends an enormous amount of time talking, usually privately, with kids. d) They often are like "kid whisperers" knowing just what to say, how to say it, just what programs or things to do, etc. The kids behave because they love the teacher. She's/he's incessantly been working with kids, minute after minute, all day. This style is intense. This is a long comment, but there's a lot to look at from these observations. I'll try to just bullet point some thoughts. - It seems admins are perpetually looking for these types of teachers. - These types don't require a lot of extra work or systems or trainings etc. to achieve behavior and engagement goals. aka Admins don't have to worry about you and don't have problems coming their way. - IMPORTANT - these types, while they "solve" engagement and behavior issues do NOT guarantee academic results. Having engagement is a huge part of getting outcomes, but even when you're the most amazing teacher in all regards, if your students still don't perform well on the stats that pay the bills - grad rate and test scores - YOU are in trouble. - To stress the former, I've seen a number of amazing teachers and principals (who taught too) for no fault of their own not have enough kids pass or graduate or do well on tests, and get in trouble for that. I know a teacher of the year get in trouble the next year for this. - I can't stress enough that the type 2 teachers are EXTREMELY burnt out at the end of each week if not each day, and if they have kids of their own at home, they get to a point where they have to make changes. They just can't be that intense all the time. (But some can.) - One huge question is, can teachers become type 1 or especially type 2 from training? "Love and Logic" kind of, sort of, maybe gets you there. But not enough. - I think that when it comes down to it, the reason why admins try so many systems and programs and trainings, etc. (SO MANY) is to try and get or make these kinds of teachers. But none of this really works. This has been near completely and repeatedly shown on this channel. I got to the point where I could have no misbehavior, 80 to 99% of the class engaged at a time (and this was in 2.5 hour block classes!) and all kids who would at least make attendance requirements, pass my classes. BUT because our school as a whole scores weren't good enough and our graduation rates weren't good enough, me and the math and science teachers and even the principal, all got replaced. So, a conclusion that I've come to, that supports what we've heard so many times here, is that no matter what the admins or powers that be have us do, it never works, and the failures are always put on us. And to top that off, the kids and everything else, the demands and duties on us, have only increased, only gotten worse. And so it's no wonder so many quit, and so many never even apply. And it's no wonder things never change. Ok, I've let it all out. If you read this far, I hope it was helpful in some way. I've taken a job teaching adults - at the state prison. I'll let you know how that goes. :)

[@TeacherTherapy]

Thanks for sharing this! Everything you're saying makes so much sense!! If you ever want to interview with me, feel free to reach out at [e-mail] 🤗

[@mgpm17]

Our are spot on about the teacher types. I think the parents play a huge role in not holding their kids accountable for behaviors.

[@kathyschreiber9947]

Why isn't classroom management taught in teacher ed programs? I graduated with a degree in secondary ed in the 80s and basically not a word was said about managing a classroom. It was all a lot of arcane theory that didn't translate into practice. The closest they got was student teaching where the regular teacher went and sat in the lounge while I did their job. I can see that a lot of teachers gain this knowledge over the years, but this should be Education 101. I didn't last long in the job and went to law school. Teaching was a miserable experience for me.

[@phatmhat9174]

@@mgpm17 Parents and culture. Impacts of tech too.

[@phatmhat9174]

@@kathyschreiber9947 it is and it isn't. There are so many ideas, fads for a while then outdated. So even if you do get a specific class it ends up being whatever fad of the time. Then that may not be how your first school does it. Or it may not work and so your school changes. Or maybe they try a new program the next year. If they do t specifically teach it in a class, you get kinds here and there in your ed classes. But either way you end up with a mixed mess once you get into the schools. But this is why I noticed that there were commonalities with certain teachers having some success regardless of their ed classes or schools. Some success...and at quite a cost.

[@aprillee83]

“Unfortunately, it turns us into these weird therapist baby sitters.” Wow

[@thepragmatist]

Quinton hit the nail on the head with that sentence.

[@ms.k3837]

I mean it was done for our generation and the one before us so why not. You are with them 7 days a week from 7am to 4 pm in some states

[@venus_envy]

@@ms.k3837 7 days a week? I thought it was just 5?!

[@everyultraday4911]

Yes. A perfect summary of it.

[@dwwolf4636]

What does that imply about your students ? Is the system making authentically competent people ( i.e. objectively skilled and knowledgeable ). Or is it just producing a vague facsimily of Competence and Self esteem by giving out un-earned validation ? And is SEL just there to manage the resulting Cognitive Dissonance the students are experiencing? Because believe me....kids aint stupid, deep down they know something isn't quite right but they are getting that validation laddled into them by supposedly trusted authority figures....

[@JevonMusicGroup]

15 years in the public school classroom and, no matter what I do, student behavior isn't improving. How could it improve when, aside from teachers, every adult in their life is making excuses for them?!

[@kris78787]

It starts at home with the parents. If the parents don't care, the kids don't care either. I learned that real quick being a teacher!

[@dre3425]

True if parents don’t care then the kids for sure won’t. But this is what I do. I incorporate their lingo and pop culture into my lesson. It makes them feel like they are watching or listening to a TikTok. You mix their culture and personality with your lesson plans and things should improve. This generation I will say when they are invested in something, they will lean into it.

[@kris78787]

@@dre3425 This is why I've had to use tons of brain breaks that are Pokemon, Minecraft, or Roblux oriented (I teach elementary school). If they get through the lesson then they get to do a fun video game brain break. They are 100% engaged in the video game breaks and will actually work for that.

[@moo9141]

Ya all have to stop and realize a lot of us parents see the broken system too, so do the kids. It’s failing everyone and it’s not just the teachers whose mental health is being affected. Everyone is against each other instead of working together as a team. It’s just finger pointing and blame.

[@kcc879]

@@kris78787 thing is you shouldn’t need to do brain breaks the frequency we are. Students aren’t learning how to concentrate for long periods of time to complete work up to a good standard. I can’t be playing games when I need to teach and especially when they’re so far behind grade level there’s no time for games lol

[@melliott3681]

I remember as a high school teacher during the whole accountability movement thinking, "when are we going to hold the students accountable for their learning?"

[@ericchristianjohnsonphd7197]

I am a mental health professional that worked in inpatient hospital. Kids would come into the hospital because they were violent in the classroom. When I asked them to read simple words they couldn't do it. When I asked for their school transcripts they were getting A's and B's. Therapy was me sitting down and teaching them how to read. When they learned to read their confidence went up and their violent tendencies dramatically decreased. Its a big deal. No one like to feel like a failure. I didn't know what was happening in thenclassroom. Thanks to you I understand a large piece that I didn't before. Thank you.

[@gemox3225]

Your post is very interesting and useful.

[@bb3ll07]

I live MS. It’s terrible. They believe in NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND in urban schools while suburban schools will hold the kids back The elementary school I work at here in MS only has a 30% reading and math proficiency 😮 K-5

[@timmcintire7542]

Ah but the kid is getting A's and B's? Maybe it's because this way the kid gets promoted to the next grade...still not able to read and write....but as a means of making the problem "magically go away" by doing that....because it's now the NEXT teacher's problem.

[@oddlibrarianout1295]

I worked as a para for a number of years. (For those who don't know: paras are the ones who work with the Special Ed kids in the classroom repeating instruction and help them focus. I was shifted to a new caseload mid-year. I asked the teacher how the kid was doing Teacher: he is defiant, won't pay attention, and hasn't turned in any work. He's failing all his classes Me: does he know he's going to have to repeat 8th grade if he doesn't shape up? Teacher: oh, we don't hold a kid back just for failing Me: 🤨

[@Wakeupgrandowl]

Please listen to the podcast Sold a Story! It’s so important for extra context! In particular, understanding the current state of literacy rates.

[@dianeschumacher6639]

They say no textbooks which turned into no reading, and reliance on video lectures. They say no books which led to a decline in the reading level across America. What a joke.

[@reneedennis2011]

Exactly.

[@kaylagrimmett6532]

We should bring textbooks back, how the heck are kids going to retain information if they aren’t studying at home?

[@reneedennis2011]

@@kaylagrimmett6532 Thank you!

[@aimeecowan1105]

No books also curbs parent involvement. We can't help with homework because we don't know what they are being taught.

[@lilychiang8017]

Thank you for sharing this information! It’s really helpful!

[@cyndig1670]

He is speaking truth about the kids' behaviors and reading levels. Our society is raising dummies and blaming teachers rather than backing them up.

[@renaissancewoman100]

Exactly! When I had to meet with my son's teacher, she was actually afraid! I had to reassure her that I knew my son's behavior was His fault(joining in to prove he was cool and not a nerd). And that I was more than willing to work with her and had no problem with him having consequences.

[@dede4004]

My husband just retired from teaching after 40 years. We've watched and been INSIDE this entire collapse of education from the 1980s. I also worked in the schools in music, and was an accompanist for the music teachers and worked with theatre, choral and band teachers and students for many years. We warned against many things, and were NOT listened to, laughed at, muy husbands job threatened, and students behavior and ability got worse every subsequent year. He taught middle school, then high school for many years, then finally college after finishing his PhD. The last few years, the students (college level) couldn't write a single paragraph, and use punctuation, correct spelling or state a single thought. (THAT, is horrific and unacceptable.) He was so glad to finally quit. The administration did not support teachers enough at all, and he was told the students HAD to be passed on. WHAT SENSE does that make at all? Why even send kids to school, if they aren't going to learn anything.....just to get a worthless degree? The college students believe they are now "educated", when they barely know what most 8th graders in OUR generation was required to know. It's really sad that the DOE, and government PLANNED THIS....TO "dumb down" the population, to get us TO......THIS TRAGIC POINT. They are denying this now.....but we have PROOF that the dumbing down was REAL. From the "No Child Left Behind" to "Common Core", those educational curriculums were diabolical in worthless teaching. It focused more on taking tests, than LEARNING anything. To where the students were taking classes on "how to pass multiple choice tests". And, those were the entire classes, not actually LEARNING quality things about Math, English, Science and more.

[@catgarcia4583]

I left teaching 7th grade to teach in federal prison. A) I get paid WAY more. B) The inmates are SOOO much more respectful. C) I don’t have to deal with rotten parents, overstressed admin, and cell phones!!

[@Rsysas]

Wow

[@teniaosayande6355]

This says a lot. And the sad thing is many of the students may be headed that way bc there's just no understanding of respect, rules & consequences.

[@TheHungarianchick]

I’m a teacher by trade, but taught maybe 6 months twenty years ago. I had students back then who were completely out of control with zero respect for authority. I have been working with adults with developmental disabilities for the same reasons. You still deal with the occasional crazy parent, bu you have a lot more control over the services you provide as adult services are not an entitlement system.

[@txspacemom765]

This is amazing!

[@FirstLast-dl8rt]

Adult felons being more behaved and respectful than 7th graders says a lot

[@thepresence365]

Oh my God. I felt so validated in the first 5 minutes. "Pseudo-scientific theories," classroom management issues, and refusal/inability to read and do work. The immaturity is INSANE. And the saddest thing is that the kids who were willing to engage were ROBBED of so much of the experience I was trying to give them by the chaos agents.

[@panban2012]

These chaos agents - students who disrupt, neglectful parents, broken families, culture that promotes thugism over intellectualism, rotten ideas/trends in education that place obstacles towards learning, system that scapegoats teachers are all examples of Academic Abuse. All of the above is either being done by design, by greed, by stupid people in power, or by all of the above.

[@rips1231]

Yeah these theories are marxist. Look up Paulo frerie and henry giroux and youll realize the throries are marxist indoctrination.

[@andrefilipe9042]

Part of this is that we try to cram too many different students, of different proclivities into the same curriculum. And a grand part of the curriculum is not about making the student a self thinking individual, rather someone who can pass a single college exam. When a lot of students would prosper more in a Trades related field.

[@thoughtfuldevil6069]

I never taught, but I saw this happen from my time in High School until now. All throughout High School, I couldn't make any friends because I loved reading, and nobody read anything. I wound up becoming an author, and it's my second job because nobody reads books in America anymore (the UK has better reading standards, but still not as good as it was in the pre-social-media world). Also, love your profile pic. Is it the Pagan/Wiccan Pentacle?

[@extremeresponsibility]

The PROBLEM is 1) schools don't develop the whole person, literacy, or employment-ready; 2) parents delegate their responsibility to teachers instead of participating; and 3) teachers are mindlessly promoting pronouns and playing around with children's sexuality and sex/gender instead of being useful; it makes sense that too many students aren't embracing their experience and responsibility.

[@pinkrubix]

I work in a grocery store and we've had a lot of teens apply for and get hired to work at the store as cashiers only for us to find out that they don't know how to count money, and in one memorable case they didn't know how to count at all. Our store still has courtesy, so they would be moved to courtesy (bagging, helping older people and disabled people load their groceries, go round up carts, etc) but even then they still didn't last long. There's also a strict policy about using your phone while you're on the clock and not on break. If the manager sees you then you get sent home. You don't get asked what you have to say for yourself, or anything like that. He sees you on your phone and you're told to clock out and go home for the day. There's a lot of turnover with teenagers because they either don't know how to count money or they don't know how to behave.

[@scl97]

In my students, I just see no ability to think deeply about ANYTHING. They cannot stop talking long enough to do that. They treat everything as a joke and I’m talking about kids who are 13 and 14 years old!

[@kris78787]

It's called Tik Tok brain

[@scl97]

For sure!!! Iam so ready for TikTok to be banned for minors. I support it wholeheartedly

[@JevonMusicGroup]

Same. I teach STEM to middle school students. My class is project/problem based. When building something, the majority of students melt down if they don't have an example to copy.

[@marcmeinzer8859]

Congratulations, apparently you have specialized in the very most useless age groups of all, or junior high school, that is where the authorities are smart enough to keep 9th graders out of the high schools. And your so called students are not students, they are inmates. If they were really students all of the imbeciles would have been flunked out by that age just like in the good old days when my grandpa got his sixth grade education before apprenticing as a sheet metal worker.

[@kris78787]

@@JevonMusicGroup It' sad kids cannot think for themselves or use their imaginations anymore.

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

It’s such gaslighting for the administration to just keep telling teachers that it’s something they’re doing wrong. This is a problem in our entire culture, not just in the classroom. Extremely entitled kids, very gaslit adults, an entire culture that considers accountability to be “victim blaming.” God forbid people become resilient and learn how to cope with life’s challenges.

[@gauloise6442]

I work outside teaching, and so much is the same. No one cares about quality. If you push for quality, you are seen as someone getting in the way. And when I say "quality", I mean a really low baseline standard. I work with people from new graduates to boomers who are incompetent to say the least, but they keep each other boosted up somehow.

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

@@gauloise6442 Is it a union or govt job? Because as much as I think that unions made our country great, I also think it’s really unpleasant to work at a union job - the only people who seem to love union jobs are those who hate working and who want to do the bare minimum, if even that. I don’t mean trade unions, I mean govt office jobs.

[@TheKnallkorper]

If you have to do hard work, you’re oppressed now. 😢

Teachers were pushing the agenda for most of 30 years though tbh.

[@midwestribeye7820]

​​@@Accountdeactivated_1986I have a union job with the state. I was just complaining to a co-worker last week about how the 2 of us seem to do the majority of the work. We seldom miss work and have lots of sick days accrued. We both are willing to stay late and be flexible. The other people in our 'office' are either out of days off or are close to it. They always have plans and can't stay late. If we weren't union, we'd be making more money than them. But with union, we all have to make the same...because 'equity.' There were good things about unions in the beginning, but I feel they should take a step back now. I also feel unions should not lobby as much as they do.

[@sandraelder1101]

35 years in public education, and boy have I seen changes! This guy is spot on.

[@JevonMusicGroup]

41:30 Accountability and authority go together. You can't reasonably hold teachers accountable for student success while simultaneously taking away their authority.

[@thepragmatist]

Great point.

[@abc_13579]

Teachers have all the accountability with none of the authority.

[@Lovethyneighbor2022]

This is exactly what is happening.

[@auroraasleep]

All the responsibility, none of the authority. I left teaching when I was told I couldn't assign detention. Detention was the ONLY way I could get the kids who needed help the most to stay for one-on-one work.

[@RobbieMcT97]

And competing for attention with cell phone and ipad given by the district!!

[@Qedoshim]

Moral of the story is education is NOT entertainment. . .

[@panban2012]

To an intelligent person - learning for its own sake is entertaining.

[@Jayjay28285]

Kindly disagree

[@bluevillsplash]

That's so false. If it wasn't for entertainment, I wouldn't have liked learning early. This is a skill that the current educational system has killed. My 9th grade eng teacher gave us assignments around "The coldest winter ever". The whole class was reading it anyway.

[@Qedoshim]

Real learning is about piquing students’ interests, developing critical thinking skills, an independent intellectual curiosity while stimulating your mind with new knowledge. Entertainment in learning during class time is ephemeral, deceptive, and. . . The same thing is going on in the church. Instead of getting fed spiritually and learning how to live a wholesome life, pastors are entertaining churchgoers. You say, “Ooh you should have attended church Sunday.” Well, what did the preacher talk about? “. . . “I don’t remember, but boy you should have been there.”

[@toddcollins6403]

My Dad, long gone, was a 30-year career teacher and he told me in 1980 that public education was not long for this earth.

[@nikolasincorporated]

Im in technical school right now (34 years old) and my classmates are 19-20 and have completely lost the plot. They actually managed to make our teacher quit because of their behavior. They are out in the real world causing havoc now.

[@sherbear8286]

Retired teacher here. Teacher training is bogus. Everyone would be better without it. Student behavior is out of control. Administrators are out of control. Education in America is a total joke.

[@sabrinamarshall5668]

Recently, I took an early retirement from teaching, what you said please say it LOUDER!🍀💯

[@moniquecadetgosling9377]

Agreed with all these PD. They work for this perfect school that doesn't exist.

[@Stanlos]

Yet, "some people" want to further cut education funding.

[@kris78787]

PD is so stupid. The meetings we have to endure are ridiculous. We need to bring real consequences back into schools and stop coddling and babying the kids. End of story. No more treats and pep talks at the office for misbehaving kids. 3 strikes and you're out. No more nonsense!!

[@MrsLadan]

That's interesting to hear. I'm a homeschool mother and my ex husband is constantly whining in court that I'm not "qualified" to teach. But then I see these videos about high schoolers that can't even read in the public schools and I wonder if my credentials even matter at all. Our curriculum at home at home is full of rich, classic literature (that my 4th graders CAN read) and they're currently learning pre-algebra. It can be extremely chaotic at times and they say they hate school like most kids I know, but hearing stuff like THIS makes me see that they're probably benefitting more from homeschool.

[@ivettejimenez9460]

This is by far one of the most authentic and realistic teacher interviews. It really focused on what is currently being experienced by teachers today.

[@rose_yts]

Gaslighted! Teachers are being gaslighted! Strong words. That's exactly what is happening.

[@Ken_oh545]

Write out 'gaslit' 100 times

[@HanaNajlaAbdurrafi]

I'm a mom who homeschooled her children. I considered enrolling my children in school one year. After observing a class I thought, 'if my husband ever showed me the disrespect the whole system shows these teachers, our marriage would be over'. They tied teachers hands intentionally and that is why my kids never went to school.

[@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953]

Democrat teachers voting for democrat politicians who implement democrat policies are reaping the benefits of their decisions.

[@sharinaross1865]

I'mma homeschool mine too.

[@sierrabird2460]

it's wild how so many teachers tell us who homeschool "yes do it" vs when I was a student they were mostly against it. my reluctant reader wouldn't stand a chance in the current system.

[@sagefields]

Kids don't need phones while they're in the classroom.

[@IronEagleMath]

Kids don't NEED phones PERIOD. They are not heart surgeons that need to be available in case a transplant comes in.

[@karenwade3106]

Amen

[@Scriptorsilentum]

and every karen parent in the frigging world will be the first in line to harp why MY CHILD NEEDS blah blah blah...

[@SavageMinnow]

My parents got me a phone because of Columbine. In a society with more guns than people, I feel more comfortable students having phones. They can keep them in their bags on silent.

[@tedvillalon4139]

​@@SavageMinnowBut they DON'T keep them in their bags- they text, play, etc.

[@ETBlair]

I’ve never seen so much opposition and resistance to assignments and learning anything as I have these last two years

[@eileensullivan4924]

But they want phone time, social life and junk food, freedom from chores. Something went terribly wrong.

[@thepragmatist]

When I was working as an occupational therapist in the Bronx, NYC, one of the teachers I worked with told me this analogy. "If someone goes to the dentist and their teeth are in bad shape, the dentist is not held responsible. However, teachers are always held responsible for their student's poor performance." While "bad" teachers do exist, their hands are tied if a student is disruptive and/or several grade levels behind. What's more, one or two students can disrupt an entire class. It really is a conundrum.

[@Imissyoulou]

What the teacher told you is true. Does every lawyer, win ALL of their cases; does every doctor save every life? The answer is NO. Therefore, how can you expect every teacher to educate every child?

[@ms.k3837]

I'm sorry to bust your bubble but that is not the case for all schools. Some schools even with the best students and no disruptive children are still struggling and reading at a 3rd grade level. And this is through a study that was done. All of Americas children as a whole are below grade level more so then any other kids in other countries.

[@gauloise6442]

Sometimes I think maybe it was better in the past, when these bad kids were sort of weeded out and left to fail, while the resources of society went to helping the smart or motivated kids get ahead. The thing that gets me with equity where there is no big differential between grades and "bad" kids may even get better grades than smarter kids because they need the help, is that often the bad kids then get into college and then into the job market, and well here we are.

[@erikac8612]

​@gauloise6442 It is soul crushing, watching the kids that do behave sitting through these chaotic environments daily.

[@CandaceDreamer]

@@erikac8612also there are kids who are followers and will act out of sorts because another kid is.

[@i-spy-ty]

We are truly witnessing the downfall of a nation and it's so incredibly sad.

[@i-spy-ty]

Ah! Thank you for pointing that out, I’ve corrected it!

[@kev7161]

@user-kj5el9wt5b Please correct YOURS as well!

[@swallowedinthesea11]

@@kev7161 Is you mad?

[@allenellsworth5799]

​@@kev7161Your's

[@ambersummer2685]

@user-kj5el9wt5bYou too lol

[@48nature]

"they were blaming me for systemic problems." Yep!

[@spicey1731]

20 year veteran teacher here. I’ve come to the conclusion that turnover is part of the scheme because it takes a few years for new teachers to figure out that they are basically scapegoats for the system that does not intend to change itself or to address the actual input from students and parents. The learned helplessness is very real. And yet the adults are too afraid to do anything about it. The compounding effect of year after year after year of learning nothing is absolutely terrifying. We are creating a very stupid populace.

[@ms.k3837]

Absolutely!

[@ashleyserene6846]

This is so scary!! 😰

[@oleeshanorris5343]

Parents are not putting importance in learning, it's more of don't bother me.

[@thunderklap241]

And an ignorant population is easier to trick and control. This is not doing kids any favors. Hard lessons I learned in history class are helping me an aware citizen today in my 30s. Skills I learned in math class helped me understand money enough that I knew I needed to keep learning as an adult. Language class helps me not on communicate but understand literature from the past. Science comes up everything I want to plant food in my garden, or understand a new medicine I should be taking, or make sense of why certain kitchen chemicals don't mix well with others. These poor kids.

[@rc6184]

Teaching has turned into signing a contract for a year, to earn a paycheck. Then you move on the next year.

[@margiedenavarre7919]

Homeschoolers get criticized because “How will they be socialized???” Meanwhile, former teachers who are now homeschooling their kids are like, “The last people I want socializing my kids are public school kids!”

[@LadyCoyKoi]

Exactly

[@Smw006]

#same

[@Pressity1]

Amen!

[@Calibri57]

Yup…ex teacher here. Homeschooled my kids.

[@margiedenavarre7919]

@@Calibri57 me too-love it!

[@10minuteESL]

Love the interview. Taught for 3 years at an LAUSD high school. Was teaching 10th graders reading intervention with Read180. The kids hated it and thought it was babyish. We had to read Romeo and Juliet for regular 10th grade class. The kids couldn't read modern English, let alone Shakespearian English. Got booted out because the principal sicced his Assistant Principal on me and gave me a below grade Stull. Looking back at how education is now it was the best thing to ever happen to me. I am so glad I didn't put in 15+ years and be stuck waiting to retire.

[@susancuenin2137]

My fiend’s father told me prison planners use statistics dealing with second graders who cannot read to determine how many cells will be needed in the future. Hmm. Kids need to be able to read. In my own teaching experience, kids who can’t read at grade level were the worst discipline problems.

[@markrussell4682]

After I retired from teaching, I worked for an organization that taught Spanish speaking students English. I was placed in a school that was over 70% non English speaking. The first thing I noticed was how quiet and orderly the school was. I asked the principal what they did to achieve that. She said, "we haven't done anything. These kids just come to school and act like they have good sense." The other thing I noticed was that when we assigned a unit of work to the student, they did it. No complaining, no distraction, they just did the work. And, typical growth was a year of English growth in 6-10 weeks. So, these kids, 99% from Central America, came to school ready, willing, and eager to learn. In 20 years of teaching Math, I never had a class of American students behav😮e anywhere close to this.

[@dtjcnyc3506]

I agree. I’m an ESL teacher teacher and the students from Latino countries are incredible!

[@richardarthur9706]

Same experience here in south Texas. Some of the best behaved and ‘studious’ students are non-English speaking.

[@alexs6250]

Valuing education comes from parents. These kids have a culture that supports education so teachers can teach

[@Groovylu3]

I’m from Venezuela. In elementary school we stood up and greeted in chorus when the teacher walked in for class. You respected your teacher.

[@markrussell4682]

@@Groovylu3 My students, at an inner city school in Louisiana, would walk into the classroom and shout, "yo muddafucka, we needs our book today?"

[@JoyceShay]

I' m 71 years old. I was an elementary school teacher for 32 years. From 1976 until 2008 when I retired...at 55 years old. I USED to LOVE teaching! But then...ALL the things that both of you are discussing began to "creep into" the world of education...I would say as early as the early 2000's. And maybe even further back...into the latter nineties. And "The World of Education" was sucking the Life out of me. And now I go back to that same school and I substitute. And THAT is a JOY! I hear all these new acronyms just "flyin' around from the mouths of teachers. I used to ask them what they meant. Now I just nod my head and say..."Oh!!!, yeah!" and act like I know what they're talking about! lol I feel SO sad that you and so many other young teachers have "the light go out of their eyes" when they realize the reality of teaching. I can hear the passion in both of your voices...the passion that you STARTED with. And I think it's tragic, Trish and Quinton. At least I got to "Experience the True Joy of Teaching." Thank you both so much for validating why I HAD to retire at such a young age. God Bless both of you in your journey in Life.

[@rapunzelz5520]

Part of the solution means that parents have to agree to do their part in having discipline and a good work ethic in The home. Dedicated homework time. Chores. Service in the community. Get kids OFF THEIR PHONES!!!

[@STScott-qo4pw]

Is there some reason kids really need social media?

[@nmHispana]

Around here they are also extremely morbid obese with junk food, soda and candy always in their hand, while feeling entitled to run around like a bunch of wild animals, be disrespectful, LOUD, destroy property and create havoc, then when the parents are confronted or their children held accountable they use profanity to verbally insult and blameshift. I always have said that children and their toxic behavior is generational and mirror image of their parents.

[@Groovylu3]

The parents don’t want to work that hard. They want to be on their phones and social media themselves.

[@eileensullivan4924]

Most parents fail to limit phone time, assign chores or demand good grades. Same is starting to happen here in Mexico.

[@sr2291]

Homework that the children can not do on their own is useless.

[@Imissyoulou]

Everything he is saying is directly related to why educators are RUNNING FROM THE PROFESSION.

[@illjusthavecoffee]

A big problem is that the people who are coming up with these ideas aren't teachers, they aren't in classrooms actually teaching kids.

[@juliapatterson1936]

Former teacher here. Everything this man said is spot on. I was told my first year of teaching (2011) that if admin walked in for an observation and I was lecturing (aka direct teaching) and students were silent, I would not score very high. They wanted to “hear students’ voices” and see “active engagement.” If students were merely “on task,” such as students listening to a teacher instruct while the class is quiet, this was not effective teaching. I would also be ranked according to where students were working within Bloom’s Taxonomy. If admin came to observe me and my students were memorizing, naming, or repeating knowledge, I would receive low marks. Students needed to be on the highest rungs of the Bloom’s ladder-synthesizing, creating (project-based learning would be ideal for this). In the back of my mind I knew this was creating bad incentives. The crazy thing is, I was great at it. I received top marks every time. I had Bloom’s Taxonomy posted in my room. I wrote higher-order questions for my lessons. And the whole time I had this sinking feeling. Shouldn’t these kids just…know more?

[@bartlebyscrivener674]

omg YES. This. Great post.

[@ebert8756]

I cant believe how much he nailed every single issue 😮

[@Stella-vj6sx]

So true! I studied in Germany to become a teacher and we learn this differently - a good lesson should include all the rungs of Bloom's taxonomy ladder. That's why it's a ladder and not a taxonomy trampoline. The learners need each rung, so you begin with repeating known information, then gathering new information and finally the synthesizing and combining can happen. Imo, it's unfair to expect anything else. It's like asking the learners to "make bricks without clay", as Sherlock Holmes would say.

[@ninadaly7639]

That is utterly ridiculous. How can you have a voice if you have no basis of knowledge? And how do you get that basis of knowledge without shutting up and listening or reading it themselves, which they are now unable to do? Makes no sense.

[@ebert8756]

I agree it's insane. Students are being taught to become bullshitters. Make grand claims without any supporting knowledge 🤮

[@bobitboo2792]

- Classrooms in elementary schools should not be bigger than 10-15 students. Maybe in middle schools too - Full time teachers should have 6 figure salaries - schools should not be giving kids iPads

[@arlenefisher1164]

What ??? As I posted earlier I went to elementary school from 1948- through 6th grade... our class size was 25- 30 kids. We were well. behaved, We learned. We respected our teachers. All but a few went to the next grade in the coming school year. In my opinion it isn't about money, it's about respect and kids following the rules before anything else. Maybe parents need to learn to teach those values to their kids too.

[@jeSuisbar]

I agree, I debated many who claim phones are needed for emergencies, my answer is simple. Give them a 2006 flip phones. No internet, no auto correct, def not generational friendly use and use to call parents or emergencies only.

[@pingupenguin2474]

​@@jeSuisbar Phones are not essential anyway. In an emergency that's what admin are there for. To phone home/ hospital, etc.

[@Wendy-wh2sm]

I was a hard working college lecturer in Australia and told by management to find a way to pass more students (aged 17-25). Each year the new students were less able to study - low literacy, no problem solving skills, no ability to follow even simple instructions and no accountability. Apparently that was all my fault. So by the end of the term, most lecturers just gave up and passed everyone to avoid the complaints. I had to quit - the stress was way too much.

[@poogissploogis]

I think the elephant in the room is that society as a whole has been moving towards softness with just about everything. We're being told that holding people (adults or kids) to standards is "oppressive" because it makes people who fall short feel bad. We're seeing this with punishment for crime in a lot of areas too. The harsh reality is that you can only achieve worthwhile things through hard work, and not everyone has that in them. It's the No Child Left Behind mentality which ends up resulting in No Child Gets Ahead. We need to stop treating kids like they're made of glass and teach them how life really is. Their feelings on every little thing do not matter and they need to be prepared for that reality.

[@07Flash11MRC]

"We need to stop treating kids like they're made of glass": And we the (now ex-)teachers would, if we didn't get sued by the parents, the principal, the admin and everyone else in between.

[@moo9141]

This parent 100% agrees with you. Accountability is so important and is lacking everywhere we look. If my kid fails the class then I WANT them held back but if my kid asks for help, they damn well better get it.

[@Patson20]

I'm in law enforcement and it's happening here too. Within the next decade if we keep going down this path you'll be jailed for defending yourself and the man that stabbed you and robbed you will get probation and therapy. We're seeing the children coming into adulthood now with murder records and rap sheets longer than OG rappers pretended to have. And they are little sociopaths because they've never had to be held accountable for anything in their lives. They will kill Rob and beat without remorse and then say "what are you gonna do about it". All they understand is force and violence.

[@ahamed6702]

@@moo9141most teachers are willing to help students but many students DON’T even try… they just sit and look at the teacher like they are speaking another language. Parents don’t care so the students don’t. Also, so many parents won’t parent their children… it’s INSANITY!! No child left behind was so NOT the thing to do!

[@07Flash11MRC]

@@ahamed6702 No child left behind was and is a policy with good intentions, but its outcome is a complete and utter disaster. When I was teaching in middle school, 70% of my students were not even capable of reading at a third grade level. How are we supposed to teach them English as a first language, let alone second or third, if kids in middle school don't even know the alphabet?

[@Patson20]

Im a cop, my parents are teachers, we both have the same problems about being limited by rules we have no control over, terrible behavior, the public and district blaming us for problems we have no control over, and poor pay. We even work in the same district and my parents tell me what kids to watch out for in the coming years, so far every single one they've warned me about has a long record by 18. Two are actually about to start trial for murder.....and yet half the public are clamoring to release the boys because "they just need a chance"....the murder was their third attempt at murder and they were out on bond when they did it.

[@kris78787]

I understand completely. There are several kids at the school I work at that I fear one day they will probably end up in jail or prison because of the way they act. It's scary and sad

[@Patson20]

@@kris78787 and youth gangs have made a comeback hard too

[@joycewright5386]

So very sad. I watch a lot of police body cam videos and I have no idea how you do it day after day.

[@Patson20]

@joycewright5386 it gets addictive honestly. Plus you've got a similar sense of duty as teachers

[@CandaceDreamer]

@@joycewright5386I watch those body cameras and I see the same behaviors and mentalities as my middle school age students. It truly is scary. I just want to show these kids these videos and tell them that this might be their future if they don’t start changing the way they act. But knowing parents and admin that’s a bad idea for me to do.

[@KC-cx6nn]

So true about covering the class room walls with charts. Most of the kids can’t see the charts that are way up near the ceiling plus many cannot read as mentioned by the guest. The kids don’t use the charts. Principals proudly walk around with a clip board recording if you have charts, student work for every subject, objective displays, class rules, and social emotional charts . They actually believe a “graffiti display “ of charts increases learning ….what a joke 😊…it’s crazy and you can’t say anything About it……yet we are supposed to be developing 21st century thinkers….whatever that means

[@juliejindra1325]

The school to prison pipeline is real. What do you think happens to kids that have no responsibility or accountability for their actions? They end up in front of a judge.

[@phatmhat9174]

and then the judge lets them out with little but a hand slap. :)

[@tickledfrenchies7633]

I have a masters in education, and I have been homeschooling my kids for 6 years. I just started the process to get my license so that I can teach in prison. The pay is great and there is an officer in the room. 😅

[@TiffanyinMgcity]

My child was passed on to each grade from 3K to 5th - when Covid arrived and pushed him to online learning at home. That’s when I discovered my son knew NOTHING and he’d been given passing grades and pushed along his entire school career. I decided to keep him out and homeschooled him myself up until now. He’s currently in 9th grade and getting a B in geometry! I had to go back to literal square one with math. He’s come a long way. He wants to try brick and mortar high school this coming year, I’m reluctant but allowing him to try it out. I don’t know what’s going on in schools anymore. It’s scary and very sad. I never loved school and was an average student. Which was why I was beyond scared to teach my child myself. I struggled to make B’s and C’s. I knew if I didn’t, he would continue on being passed along, learning nothing. Something has to change.

[@Growmap]

Remember that B's and C's then are probably way more learning than what is going on now. Thank you for saving your son. Parents need to pay more attention than just signing report cards. Sadly, most don't. Mine didn't. Schools were poor in the '60s and '70s but nothing like today. Just loving reading can overcome much. So the place to start is finding something - anything - children will read. And making sure they have access to do it. In my day, I was permitted to ride my bicycle to the library. Thank goodness! I read five books a week. That was the ONLY thing I was permitted to do besides go to school. Fortunately, I loved reading. It beat the reality I lived in.

[@Stothehighest]

But what I also read from this is: From 3 through 5 you never *once* knew what you're kid's schoolwork looked like? You never once asked what they learned in school that day, or did you just take "stuff" as an actual answer and went back to doom scrolling YT? I had parents who only ever noticed I was messing up on report card day, and whipped my a$$ but I could expect no help after that week of them being "involved". And somehow they were still more involved than you.

[@TiffanyinMgcity]

@@Stothehighest I hear what you’re saying. Our story is a very long one. Much too long to get into here. I’ll just say he’s very high functioning ASD and was in 3K, Pre-K, and had an IEP for from the very beginning to the end. He was getting on the school bus at 6:30 am at 3 years old going to a special program for kids in the county 35 minutes away for an early intervention program. Our public school did not send school work papers home. Instead I had IEP meetings where they would show me his work along with passing grades. The school kept all his work at school in what I guess could be thought of as a working folder. I promise you I’m not a crap parent and have been the best advocate for my son that I knew how to be. I homeschooled him through middle school and 9th grade and he is doing very well. He is now enrolling in 10th grade at public high school where he will also be in a program through a career center. He will have cyber technology certificates and college credits by graduation. When I shared my experience with my son and his early education, I didn’t expect for someone to come after me. But here I am. Parenting is hard and I’m just doing the best I can! ❤️

[@amaragrace94]

​​@@Stothehighest Damn 😅😬 ngl I had the same thoughts. A lot of parents are very hands off at home. Their love for reading and how their parents model valuing education, respecting elders/authority/peers, and work ethic all comes from parents. She proved the point because by homeschooling, she was finally all in, paying attention, and her kid was getting one-on-one instruction. School is a 20: 1 or even 30: 1 ratio of student to teacher. Home is where reinforcement of the material happens because they get 1: 1 or 1: 2 (in a 2-parent household) attention. Even if you as a parent don't have the knowledge to help, direct them to tutors, khan academy, or youtube content on the topic.

[@Kra-ri6fd]

Your story sounds a lot like mine. I pulled both of my sons after witnessing distant learning. I tried grade level (except I repeated the math covered during distant learning) curriculum on my youngest son for another year and he was not getting it. I found a way to do diagnostic testing on him in early 9th grade...he was missing stuff from 5th grade! He couldn't even write within the lines of wide ruled paper. We got rid of the tablets and computers and went off grid with homeschooling. All handwritten, workbooks, and physical books now. I had my oldest take the GED practice test to wrap up his schooling because I'm coming in late to the homeschool game and want him to have a solid document proving his education. He scored higher than the chart even goes for the practice test. The administrator admitted she quit teaching because or children's behaviors. She also said she hasn't seen scores like that in a long time and told him to go take the real test now. A lot of teachers are starting to admit it might be time to homeschool your kids. Even if you are not the best teacher, most parents can do better than the public school system right now. The key though is, you must actually care for your children.

[@nancy4980]

The BEST hour and seventeen minutes I have spent on KZbin. Best wishes to both Trish and Quinton and to all who work with students of any age. Teaching has become so complex and the profession has lost respect and unfortunately, looked down on. We need to address the root of the problem instead of coming up with temporary band-aid solutions.

[@abspasadena]

I’m a substitute teacher and I see how teachers are worked to death and micromanaged. I honestly revere them as heroes but I could NEVER do their job. Kids need discipline and true consequences because they are tribal by nature at their young age and only respect a STRONG leader. Teachers should never have to talk to parents ever, and should be 100% shielded by administrators. Otherwise they do not have real power and kids know this.

[@FurTheCasa]

Sub here. I agree with you on so many points. 😢I feel for the teachers and the students. At this point, why even get an Ed degree if there's NO actual room for teaching? Be it book (computer) wise or communal/school wise? Teachers' full days are obligated with seemingly everything BUT teaching. And the students are missing out on so much BECAUSE so much learning goes unlearned with the endless distractions 😢 I sub in my kiddos schools and I SWEAR that the kids are pawns to "bright" ideas that only work in theory 😞

[@abspasadena]

@@FurTheCasa yes, teachers are highly trained professionals. We need to start trusting them again like we used to.

[@lilymar117]

I’m a teacher assistant at the moment. The administration at this middle school tells teachers to call the students’ parents first before writing a referral and sending them to the main office. Even if this protocol is followed, they sometimes send the bad students back into the classroom and let them ruin valuable instruction time for the students that actually care about their education.

[@undefined6251]

One year olds in daycare easily pick up on the fact that the teachers have no real authority and are blamed for things that are not the teachers fault!!!!

[@cathycoryell2351]

Ummm. No, we cannot let teachers run amuck either. There is teachers who really are unable to teach or engage students. Some abuse kids. So, no, you cannot go back to running a day prison under false name of school. Parents and teachers need to be able to communicate. That said, administrators don't help with classroom behavior as much as teachers would like. There can be a reasonable amount of balance. Teachers can't be having 100 protection, which is not the answer. Teachers fail to provide a safe learning environment everyday, even in good schools. Yikes. Sometimes kids learn abuse, thru the school environment.

[@Lambert1386]

That poor guy deserves a medal! My sister-in-law tells me stories like this. Glad I grew up in the sixtes. The teacher had no problem with throwing you out the window.

[@brendonross9804]

Hi, I am a teacher in Australia. You are not alone in what is happening in your schools in terms of curriculum and behaviour. Over 20 years of teaching I find that the fun has been removed and replaced by a business model focused on results which has lead to intentional or unintentional corruption when recording data reflecting a false data set that is then used to develop new programs built on lies resulting in a completely broken system that keeps producing more smoke and mirrors so they keep receiving funding 😐

[@Hipshair]

I just quit teaching to be a stay at home mom. I notice the same trends in education in modern parenting trends(polyanna view of children, child centered, positive discipline only). Gentle parenting is all the craze. Now, i know people say Gentle is not supposed to be permissive but it sure seems to turn into permissive a lot.

[@Lovethyneighbor2022]

That’s good that you got out. I quit a couple of years ago and started homeschooling my kids. I’m tutoring part-time. The company I work for understands that homeschooling is a priority for my family. I’m not even slightly interested in teaching in a public school setting. I hope your journey goes very well. Even if you might get pushback from others, I know you’re making the right choice.

[@elizabethj4450]

A huge part of positive discipline is setting and enforcing boundaries... lots of people think they're doing positive discipline but they're failing on this front

[@ceregirl5852]

Honestly, I’d like to see computers removed from elementary schools!

[@lindamorse313]

And high school even!

[@Imissyoulou]

No, computers are the way of the future. However, they should be learning keyboarding skills, the parts of a computer, the different functions etc. They should not be on there viewing games, weapons, dances, etc.

[@stefanielozinski]

I am a homeschool mom (and very interested in education generally!) and I intentionally chose a curriculum that is PAPER BASED! My son can type when he’s writing like full page essays or longer. Elementary students do not need to use computers outside of intentional computer learning / typing practice for education. It blows my mind that my 8yo with learning disabilities seems to have more of an attention span than these neurotypical kids in so many schools 😭 something is seriously wrong

[@DisgruntledUSA]

I couldn't agree more. The last couple years I taught I didn't use computers at all. The last year I taught cell phones were banned in the classroom. The behavior and academic achievement increased significantly.

[@ahamed6702]

@@Imissyouloucomputers in the classroom have not increased ANY LEARNING…

[@jeannettasmith2825]

Blaming teachers is the first low-hanging fruit that politicians reach for.

[@metorphoric]

Probably because (bad) teachers are apart of the problem. When bad/poor performing teachers cannot be fired because of union protections, that’s an issue. There is plenty of blame to go around and (bad) teachers - or rather the low hanging fruit, are not immune.

[@jasminejacob1870]

​@metorphoric I agree with that unions create a barrier to removing poor performing workers. Police unions are the worst offenders in that area. I think the answer is to change how the union operates.

[@gordonlumbert9861]

Poor performance is supported now. It's called equity. ​@@metorphoric

[@ronaldbharvey]

​@@jasminejacob1870unions for government employees should not be allowed

[@jasminejacob1870]

@@ronaldbharvey why do you hold that position?

[@Mxspjf]

Cellphones are a big problem.

[@teliabattle1160]

Oh tell me about it so sad :( smh.

[@TrevorHamberger]

They've been digitally lobotomized

[@matthewrodriguez5899]

It's a scourge

[@RP-vy8st]

They purposely designed social media apps to be addictive as gambling. It's also a problem for adults too. Social media is ruining our entire world imo

[@07Flash11MRC]

As an ex-teacher I would argue that in the classroom student's cell phones were the biggest threat to education.

[@kawaii-pigeon]

Bring back holding kids back. Im so glad i got held back, yeah it sucks at the time, but i cant imagine how worse it would have been if i was just passed along

[@cathycoryell2351]

Holding kids back would also really require kids hitting a threshold, demonstrate a skill is learned, like multiplication tables. Some kids get it in 3rd grade, some 4th. But, they can learn other tpoics, things faster. Flat learning, everyone at the same level all the time, is not realistic, and part of the problem. 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. Grades, are actually a part of the problem. A progressive learning plan, and allowing kids to be ahead in some topics, and behind in antihero would show gaps sooner, and allow pride, and confidence to generate. a relaxed kid learns better. Not stressed from a test from every week. A huge shift is needed... not going bsckwards.

[@sofiabravo1994]

I was passed along, I turned out ok but I still would have thrived and been more confident if I got held back in 1s or 2nd grade. I had such a hard time relating with my class and understanding math. I had another chance to repeat 8th grade but the school didn’t want to…I wanted to and so did my mom! I homeschool my kids, my eldest learned to read at age 6!

[@kerriandreshak2219]

In my school corporation, parents have the final say on whether their child will be held back. Nine times out of ten, those parents say “no” and the child is sent on to the next grade. I can make the case that their child can’t read, spell, add, etc., but none of that matters, so the child is passed to the next grade. I have no power here!

[@phatmhat9174]

Our culture has gone so far in the direction it's gone in that such actions aren't or wouldn't be tolerated. It's very much like political struggles. Hear me out and I'll try to explain. Group X may think "THIS is what needs to be done. It's totally obvious!" But group Y thinks you are a horrible person, that what you suggest is the worst thing ever, and so they absolutely won't do or approve what you've said. They won't even consider what you're saying, no, not even countenance you being heard. That's how much they're against you. I'm sure you've seen this kind of opposition in politics. Well, it's in educational administrations too, which are very much directed by governments. So suggesting X, Y, or Z runs into massive walls, even in charter school states.

[@mommalion7028]

I suggested holding my kid back in pre-k because he was emotionally not stable enough for full day kindergarten and the school kind of had an intervention with me. They told me if I tried that they’d kick my family out of the program. They flat out told me I couldn’t even transfer to another close by public school, I’d have to go private or just homeschool. So if my kid is disruptive next year, sorry. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I tried. I do my best to keep him on track academically but I can’t do anything about his under developed emotional state.

[@beth8775]

It drives us crazy when our high schooler is asking for advice on an assignment because they have no textbook to reference! I also cannot fathom, as a parent, why so many parents refuse to hold their children accountable for their behavior. Treating other people with respect and doing things that are not fun but necessary are the most foundational skills every human needs.

[@lanas-cs3zp]

Get textbooks from bookstores, libraries, and directly from publishers. The information is there.

[@Yggdrasill8]

These kids growing up with that kind of mentality is fuel for a burning society

[@beth8775]

@@lanas-cs3zp There is no textbook for the class to buy. It's all assigned through google docs. If the teacher is working from an instructor's text, we don't even know what curriculum it's with.

[@beth8775]

@@lanas-cs3zp That would only work if they are working from an actual curriculum & we know which one. It's awfully hard to help when we don't understand what the teacher actually wants.

[@lanas-cs3zp]

@@beth8775 I see your point.

[@khanysafan1705]

I have been an educational assistant for 34 years and I have seen everything you said here. What I will add is the disrespect for education from the parents. They blame all the problems for their little darlings’ failures on the teachers, disregarding the absences, failure to turn in work, problems with phones, lots of cursing and disrespect toward the teacher. Somehow that’s all the teacher’s fault. The parent has no responsibility, and too often believes whatever the kid says and usually overreacts. Edit: and to add, about all the acronym programs I’ve seen come and go such as PBIS. Like I’ve said, they come and go, and make a mess. They’re just moneymakers for someone else. I say go back to the old school. It worked for we baby boomers just fine.

[@munimathbypeterfelton6251]

The old school method also worked for us Millennials just fine!

[@newlywedbeth]

I've had parents so nervous about IEPs. They feel that the IEP is an all-powerful entity that they couldn't possibly understand. But it's simply a few simple sentences to remember that will help a certain child be heard. "I need more quiet," or "I need a snack to stabilize my blood sugar." I realized it was just a pretentious bullying of parents after I started homeschooling and I had a brand new homeschool mom ask me (because I was a veteran classroom teacher), "What do I do about my son's IEP?" That was a true wakeup call to the indoctrination and brainwashing. Homeschooling is the ultimate IEP.

[@Window4503]

I’m only five minutes in and I feel so sorry for Quinton. Imagine being so excited to finally do what you’re passionate about only for the trends of the age to ruin everything. Even about a decade ago, students were mana able or at least the majority of them were respectful with a handful of troublemakers. Even my worst classmates as an older Gen Z student would at least sit down and respond to lessons.

[@RenegadeAcre]

This guy is absolutely ON FIRE. 🤘 preach!!! Edit: Trish is on fire too!!!

[@Imissyoulou]

I have to agree with you. This man is telling it like it is.

[@kris78787]

I agree with everything this teacher is saying. It starts in PRE K and continues on all the way into High School. These kids didn't just become out of control when they hit 9th grade. I guarantee they were out of control when they were 4 and 5 years old and they were NEVER given any consequences for their behaviours, and if they were given consequences, it was so light that it did nothing to deter their bad behaviors. As a specials teacher, I work with pre-k students. So many of these little kids are out of control. They run around the room. They hit other kids. They kick teachers. They scream at adults and throw raging fits. It's ATROCIOUS. And all the teachers are allowed to do is talk to the kids. There are no time outs allowed and no real consequences. Nothing. Just being talked to is all these kids get. Do they listen? Most of the time they do not. For many children, this learned bad behavior from this young age carries on into teen years.

[@sharinaross1865]

You are describing a movie scene gone awry.

[@kris78787]

@@sharinaross1865 yes, the "Twilight Zone" lol

[@ohifonlyx33]

Yes, in a group of 8 my small private preschool has 2 kids who will scream at teachers and hit others and run around the room and it's insane and exhausting and stressful for the whole class.

[@sharinaross1865]

@@ohifonlyx33 do all the preschoolers have smartphones and tablets?

[@munimathbypeterfelton6251]

And not only that, teachers have to talk to these little monsters in the softest, gentlest tone of voice or else they might “offend the students and their parents”. If children and parents of this caliber have the gaul to act up right and left, they should have a thick enough skin to be able to withstand less than friendly verbal reminders to cut it out once and for all.

[@johnnylollard7892]

It's amazing to see how this lines up with some of my experiences teaching English overseas at private tutoring centers. For perspective, teaching ESL is often an amateur industry done by expats who only use it as a vehicle for travel and experience. Which is fine, it's a tradeoff. There have been some recent pushes for more professionalism, but there are still those administrative problems: mostly the focus on capturing attention, "engaging students" (showing them that learning is a bunch of foolish games), and classroom control. The overseas ESL industry is a low bar with a lot of disreputable characters, but it's sad that the regular American education system has reached its level with an army of "qualified" bureaucrats and certified teachers.

[@possiblyarealcat]

I had classmates in middle school who were pregnant at 14. I had 17 year old classmates turning in homework that their MOM did for them. I was one of the few who enjoyed cursive and could actually write it. Too many adults don’t know the difference between “there”, “their”, and “they’re”. Common sense isn’t common. Ever since the Vine app, everyone thinks 9+10=21

[@TisOnlyAScratch]

I wish people would quit thinking Common Sense is smart. Common Sense has become less smart every year and you can recognize the difference with each new generation. If you have what is Common Sense according to the context of your statement, you are smarter than what is actually Common Sense today.

[@Yggdrasill8]

at 14 my biggest worry was how much homework I will need to finish before I can have a blast of a fun time with friends. Being 14 with a baby is completely wild to me, really does become the parents raising both the daughter and step son/daughter.

[@Ander0072originalv2]

@@Yggdrasill8 It sort of makes sense. 14 is the first year of high school, and I even recall in middle school (after they piped the students from the less fortunate schools into ours) people speaking sexually, about hand jobs, blow jobs, and so forth. So, things tumbling that early in high school is no surprising to me, and that's in the absence of abuse. With abuse, all the more common.

[@johnwall7968]

I just did 3 years and got out a few weeks ago to work in higher education. Everything you two talked about in this episode is 100% true, and has a LOT of terrifying implications for our future as a society

[@alicianieto2822]

Any advice on how to make the transition?

[@MerryMer444]

Unfortunately higher ed isn’t much better.

[@annmiller1823]

Working in groups and peer interaction is no way for an introvert to learn. Teachers always forget about us!

[@Thesakuraharona]

Fellow introvert here. I have come to learn over the years that introverts are basically seen as worthless, at least in USA for sure. There is such a heavy emphasis on socialism and group work that I was actually held back a year in school because the admins felt I was not "social enough". Granted, I do lack those skills even to this day, but they never considered bullying or other reasons for the lack of skill (i.e. anger issues, inability to effectively communicate, etc.). It was just a problem with ME. So yeah, they definitely forget about us, to the point that we are seen as the problem because we do not fit their mold

[@eileensullivan4924]

Always hard to respond to different learning styles. I am an autodidact.

[@Parakeetfriend4215]

Amen!!!!!

[@BiologyBabe]

We don’t forget, we just know that too much introvertedness is like a disability and we are trying to make sure that you are able to do anything that life throws at you. Allowing you to sit alone and work alone 100% of the time is not realistic to what you’ll be expected to do as an adult. A lot of what we do might seem mean or thoughtless, but believe me, a serious teacher thinks through everything - including this.

[@MusikGirl23]

@@BiologyBabeproblem is, as a super dedicated and high achieving introvert…I merely took on the work of 75%+ of the group work because I refused to get a poor grade (anything less than a high B+ and even that made me frustrated) due to someone else’s lack of work/dedication. I’m still introverted, and now am a music teacher myself. I grew up through music ensembles which is both a mix of a ton of hard work on your own and then ensemble work together. If one person was failing, the whole ensemble suffered, and that person was usually removed or dropped out. It wasn’t like that in the classroom outside of music ensembles…nothing more frustrating to a very high achieving introvert than being forced to work with those who aren’t as dedicated…

[@amandamckinney928]

As a homeschool mom, I just want to say--THIS is why I homeschool. No, it's not because I think the public school teachers are terrible enemies. It's because I see the problems they're describing, and I agree! As a fellow teacher, I know exactly what they're being put through. (I taught "professionally" before I had kids.) I agree it's NOT FAIR to expect a "professional" to raise everyone else's babies for them. Most parents have no idea--no idea--what to do if their kids are throwing fits or slacking off and failing to meet their potential. (Drugs? Therapists?... Begging and pleading??? What should we do when raising a kid is HARD?) Most parents think the solution is to SEND THE KID AWAY to be rehabilitated by SOMEONE WITH A CERTIFICATE, who will just magically make it all better, somehow. (Who cares how?) Um, no. Professional training can't fix this. Kids need parents who take responsibility to feed their minds just like they feed their stomachs. We can't throw 30 orphans into a classroom and expect one frazzled human being to manage ALL of them. I homeschool because God gave these kids to ME, and I'm the one who has to figure out how to get through to them. 😊 And I hold no ill will for these public school teachers at all. They're not responsible for the epidemic of unsocialized kids. In fact, as a friend, I would recommend they quit the Glorified Babysitting Profession and focus on teaching their own children instead. It's still a ton of work and frustration, but at least you get to be in charge and enjoy the fruit of your labor in the end! It's truly rewarding to pour your heart and soul into your own family, without the State interfering. The system isn't "broken," it's just unnatural for one person to act as a surrogate parent for every, single child in the community.

[@mgpm17]

Absolutely agree. I himeschooled too. I have a MA in Counseling. My kids are well educated. For the last five years I've worked with autistic students in a public school. Behavior is shocking. Honestly it all comes down to parents. They will back up bad behavior, ignore their part in education... Many kids don't even come to school on any kind of regular basis. Schools are dangerous too. I don't know what the world, well maybe I do.... No decorum. It's frightening.

[@NayShea7]

Not everyone financially has the ability to homeschool. Especially if you can't stay at home or work from home, but education is definitely a parent responsibility first and foremost. My husband and I are dedicated to teaching our kids at home and fostering learning even though they are going to public school. Parents can't expect teachers to do everything. Parents have to set the foundation for learning and create expectations and learning rich environment at home. Hoping to be able to homeschool some day but until then I do the best I can

[@lindathompson5472]

Amen. I homeschooled too.

[@dawno9007]

These programs have been being formed and implemented for decades

[@hannahthehomesteader]

Amen. And for those who truly can't Homeschool, you have to be involved and hold your kids accountable in their schools. What you said is still true for parents of kids who go to school- to an extent. Parents can teach their kids to read. Parents can meet with teachers and learn where their kids are falling short. It is not up to the teacher to teach your kids to be good humans. Like he said, teachers have a technical job. They teach math. You raise humans who are willing and capable of learning.

[@READINGSCARESIDIOTS]

I teach and I think we have all been lied to. None of this sh*t is the fault of the teacher. Seriously. Look to parents who give their kids clothes, phones and don’t say no, ever. There is very little parenting being done. The schools are getting rid of cooking, caretaking, building things, budgeting and sex education. “Kids don’t need these, so get rid of them”. The arts are going along with libraries. Nothing to help students be self reliant. No one is held accountable EXCEPT the teacher. Kids know that they will get passed on to the next grade. Parents do not want their child to be held back, but are first to get mad if their child didn’t “learn” and it’s the teacher’s fault. I love teaching, but it’s super tough. I had a parent conference to talk about her daughter’s behavior. The parent said she hadn’t heard from me accepting my part in the behavior issue. Wow. Too much focus on testing but not correctly. If students can’t pass a test, they don’t move on. For those who struggle with testing, there can be other ways to check their learning. I don’t like tests but a student shouldn’t be able to graduate if they can’t pass a basic math and reading test. Kids no longer need to read bc social media will take care of that. They don’t know multiplication facts, bc there are computers to do that. Everything in society is quick, with no forethought. I’m lucky that I haven’t been hurt, but the emotional effect is hard.

[@laglendareed8086]

I agree with you and they tossed all of our text books into the trash...I was hurt...

[@mirandam325]

I agree with you. My son has a diagnosed disability and is not doing well in math but does well reading. I asked the school to hold him back a grade. School admin said "we don't think it's a good idea because it could have the opposite effect" He has 504 I'm working on IEP but if these don't work, I may consider homeschooling instead. I don't like the fact that the school is pushing kids to the next grade level and they don't know or understand foundational concepts or curriculum. I don't get it.

[@astarisborn9820]

Kids spend so much time out of the classroom, running wild and administrators could care less, unless it is state exam time. Yesterday two kids were punching each other in the face in front of the principal and he was to busy texting on his cellphone to care….and just walked away.😢

[@HomeEcSewing]

I was a teacher for a decade and saw a lot of nonsense, but I am also a parent. My child caught on very early in their education that it didn't matter what they did, or didn't do, the end result would be the same: promotion. That shaped their lens of education and our at home battles about school work. Meltdowns to an extreme. School was just a place to go and be with friends. Once, their whole 8th grade team met with me and complained about how my student never did any work, so I said, "hold him back." They rolled their eyes at me and said, "we don't do that." This child is now an adult, and the type of stupidity perpetuated in education has proven to hold serious long-term consequences. It's very sad and frustrating. Especially because I was teacher and saw it coming, but was powerless against the system to fight it. Ban the buzz words and paid curriculums.

[@aunnahr8833]

As a Rochester native, I can attest to what he is saying. My sisters and I excelled at the MAP test in elementary school and ended up getting placed in an integration program and bussed out to suburban schools. The people I knew who went to city schools were often learning stuff in high school that we learned in middle school. Mind you I graduated in 2015. I can't imagine how much worse things are now.

[@lubystkaolamonola529]

It is like a 12 grade teacher is expected to teach all 12 grades in mental asylum.

[@annetterobinson4358]

Wow, when I was a student, I absolutely hated small group, hands on activities. 90% of the students just messed around & nobody learned anything.

[@wittymystic7361]

I did, too. I and maybe one other person in the group would actually do the work while the other kids would mess around. However, we would all get the same grade. It was unfair. I hated any teacher who was into that thing.

[@bartlebyscrivener674]

Remember, your teachers were FORCED to do this.

[@rebeccajones8628]

Initiatives like PBIS (GS), retaking tests ad nauseum (TG) , Writer's workshop (LC) have led to a mess. As a society we are far too permissive and do not hold children accountable for their learning. We must wake up.

[@JessicaMessica24]

I'm noticing a trend with the public schools. They are taking ideas from the homeschool communities and trying to implement them in public schools. The only difference is, at home, you don't have as many kids as you do in the public school system. At home, we can do a child led system or a self-taught system. We can do this because I can easily look over his shoulder and quickly determine if he is on the right track and correct if he is not. These are methods we use as homeschoolers. They are great ideas but not for a large classroom. I feel sorry for teachers. What makes teaching fun is choosing your curriculum, implementing it how you see fit, and going off track when the students call you to do so. This is what makes learning and teaching fun!

[@phatmhat9174]

yes! they see that home school strategies work, and try to implement them into the classrooms, but it's not so easy. the common strat they've used to this end is to break kids into manageable groups, and then differentiate instruction - aka teach to each kid the best way for them, just like you're able to do at home with 5 kids. but it's way harder, nearly impossible to duplicate at school, and the subject being taught and the goals make a difference too.

[@TheJocelynrae]

That's what I was thinking listening to him describe the ways they're trying to make then teach....this sounds like homeschool strategies implemented poorly into classrooms of 30 kids. Homeschool lets you completely individualize to the abilities of the child and not teach to the test. Homeschool lets you have multi-age sibling groups working together through problems. Homeschool lets you build the curriculum around the special interests of the child(ren). Homeschool lets you make the lessons include lots of active movement and field trips and exciting activities. Homeschool lets you ditch the textbooks in favor of "living books" and experiences. ALL of these things are impossible to implement as regular daily teaching strategies in a standard classroom of 30+ students. Add into that some over-therapised teacher version of gentle parenting, and the entire thing becomes impossible.

[@Sandyyyyyyyyyy]

@@TheJocelynrae Homeschool also allows you to move at your child's pace. You can't do that in classrooms of 30+ students, and you can't do that while also expecting students to pass standardized tests.

[@rebekahmontesdeoca565]

Yes, homeschooling and teaching in a classroom are really different environments that require different strategies. There's some overlap but the realities of each environment are different.

[@sv-xi6oq]

Gimmicks. Gimmicks. Gimmicks. Thomas Sowell has been talking about this for such a long time. It’s unfortunate that his words have fallen on deaf ears.

[@jartladder15]

What a great interview. I'd like to see more about the some of these Educational/PD scams and the companies that push them!

[@mathmaniac4777]

It’s the way the host didn’t even flinch when he said he had a desk thrown at him. 😂 It’s like she’s seen and heard it all.

[@chocolatemint9225]

Small groups doesn’t work well for high achieving students who end up doing all of the work. Also, it’s a lot of distractions for kids with ADHD to work with their peers who are chitchatting and off-topic

[@TheOnlyWay-zy5by]

All of this is so true! As a retired teacher with 35 years in public education all of what they are saying has happened time and time again. The biggest issue is that education “officials” do not listen to teachers. They pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to “consultants” to tell us how to teach. But now, in our current state of affairs, teachers have lost authority. More accurately it has been taken away from them. Experienced teachers know what works and they are the ones who should be utilized to guide newer teachers. I thank God for Mrs. Walcott who took me under her wing in my first years. Her guidance helped me throughout my career, even long after she retired.

[@1stVARifleman]

Good interview and valid points across the board. This will be my last year of teaching Middle School US History classes in Virginia (6 weeks to go in my 6th and final year), for all the reasons stated in the video. Trish, you really are doing a service to the nation, not just teachers/education, because people need to know the realities of the modern classroom.

[@patriciaduncan9454]

Do taxpayers and parents ever consider bringing class action lawsuits against school districts that issue high school diplomas that have no value?

[@joycewright5386]

Well I would ask the parents why they weren’t aware that their kids could barely read? Don’t wait until high school to find out they know nothing.

[@earthtoemily4855]

@@joycewright5386 probably because they're being told "it's normal now" from the teachers. They've also made it incredibly difficult to interact with the teachers and school, it actually feels as if they don't want involved parents.

[@joycewright5386]

@@earthtoemily4855 I guess I’m old but don’t they have parent teacher conferences anymore?

[@user-mu7gp9tm8g]

​@joycewright5386 Yes, they do, and there's now a huge burden on teachers to call parents about everything that happens in school constantly and send home 1000 fliers and newsletters a week and being expected to "establish positive relationships" with each parent at the beginning of the school year on your own personal time. I have no idea what this person is talking about. The total opposite is true. Last year I sent home 5 fliers in the span of two weeks about parent teacher conferences coming up, and made two phone calls to each parent about it as was required by the district (again on my personal time, and also had to create a record of these attempts for documentation purposes on my personal time). Out of my class of 28 students, 4 had parents who showed up despite all of this. All 4 logged onto the zoom meeting instead of coming in person. Parents are completely disinterested. We try and try and try, and our districts create higher and higher burdens for teachers to make efforts to make contact with parents who in some circumstances block our numbers. This is not at all an issue of "schools making it harder to communicate." It's an issue of parents not giving a shit.

[@willbass2869]

​@@joycewright5386 don't expect Big Mama to attend

[@ebert8756]

I cannot believe how badly THEY have ruined education. I think THEY is the departments of ed, at universities and in the government. And then they blame it on the teachers. Its all so vile.

[@TMeyer-ge5pj]

I felt like him as a second grade teacher. The kids were already too behind to catch up

[@missrayishat]

What are second graders not able to do that makes them behind?

[@dtjcnyc3506]

Read, write, spell, simple addition

[@alexbella99]

As a teacher, I stayed home today. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@elizabethj4450]

Kids start kindergarten with deficits... and I don't mean they're academically behind, obviously. But they can't follow single step directions, they can't hold markers or scissors, they don't know how to sit still for age- appropriate amounts of time (I'm talking less than five minutes), and they have no concept of the idea that they should follow directions that safe authorities give them. I'm a bleeding heart liberal who believes in gentle parenting, but too many parents confuse that with permissive parenting. And kindergarten teachers have no classroom authority to establish boundaries!

[@alexbella99]

@@elizabethj4450 this is so true

[@wilburDDPpowell]

After 17 years in, I'm doing everything I know to do and I'm getting no support from my administration. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@qsaxby1]

They really hang you out to dry, don't they?

[@littlehouseguy7782]

...and virtually none from parents.

[@RP-vy8st]

I'm only a couple years in and I'm ready to go out the door. I'm tired of being disrespected by 7-11 year olds whose parents think the teachers are the problem. Their kids can do no wrong, according to them. Who wants to out up with that for the measly pay we get? It's ridiculous

[@Imissyoulou]

@@RP-vy8st GET OUT. Get out as fast as you can. Only a couple years in? Get out!! Think about doing something else. Nursing, real estate, technology, anything. It is not worth it and can be dangerous. Consider something else. Perhaps, law school.

[@RP-vy8st]

@@Imissyoulou Thank you, and I agree. I'm looking for another career. When you have kids literally screaming back at you because you ask them to stay in their seats and stop falling out of their chairs, something is very wrong. I wrote a referral last week and the student said, "keep em coming. I eat those referrals up like candy". No one should ever have to put up with this. It's not worth anyone's mental health.

[@f.prince6642]

No child left behind was a major contributor to why kids are in grades they shouldn’t have passed too.

[@2bornot2b11]

The ones causing all of this are rarely ever pointed to. Ask yourselves who is profiting off of the breakdown of the family? Who makes money from the breakdown of the schools? Who gains power when experienced teacher quit and inexperienced, nieve teachers are hired in their place? It is scary when you take a step back and look at what's going on. This is all being done on purpose. We'll wake up someday and realize we are stuck with no power, no money and the inability to think for ourselves.

[@Arterion77]

I was saying this exact thing to my husband earlier. I'm so glad I'm not the only one seeing that

[@DepDawg]

Bingo. We’ve been in a Cultural Revolution since the ‘Summer of Love’, but it was just as contrived as the plandemic, and they rolled it out after the lockdowns. By then, many were terrified, isolated, and dissociated, and endless riots and looting were just a little more chaos adding up each day. Boiling frog syndrome. Revolution is rarely a shocking event. Institutions must first be captured. This is all very understandable to anyone who came from a communist country. My family escaped Albania and came to the US as asylum seekers after years in a UN refugee camp. We are watching what is happening with sick hearts. In Mao’s America, by Xi Van Fleet, she makes an excellent case for the US cultural Marxist takeover being in the same vein as what happened in her native China. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. Just look at the uni protests going on all across the US. Those are also happening in the streets of other western countries. This is not by coincidence.

[@2bornot2b11]

@@DepDawg There was a time I laughed when those in power gave directives to people and expected those people to comply. I thought it was ridiculous that they thought people were gullible enough to do their dirty work for them. But then we had a certain politician ask people to confront others in restaurants, get in their face and demand they leave. I scoffed. But low and behold Americans came out of the woodwork to do the bidding of this politician. This behavior escalated to riots and burning cities down and so much more. It is still hard for me to believe how regular citizens can't see how they are being used to advance an agenda that will ultimately destroy them. Mind boggling.

[@joycewright5386]

Just like the dependent welfare people. Politicians love these guaranteed votes.

[@vanillapinkfluff3477]

Exactly. The rich elites don’t even care about anyone. We are all just their worthless little slaves. It’s all a set up on purpose. They think it’s funny harming people for money. They want a bunch of poor people, mentally unstable people relying on them for money.

[@heathermkdg]

I've been teaching kindergarten for almost 20 years and it's getting more and more challenging each year. It's frustrating when every few years there's some new magic pill type of program being pushed and then it changes again.

[@Aimsport-video]

Discard what works: phonics, multiplication tables, penmanship, etc. Embrace crazy studies and implement without true metrics. Fail hard. Not say sorry. Not learn from mistakes. Say “more money” rinse and repeat.

[@cavatika]

Individualized student lead learning is great, for homeschool families and maybe small charter schools. It will never work in a larger setting and trying to do that would be a nightmare. I homeschool one child, and individualizing everything to just one child is a massive amount of work vs just throwing a pre-made curriculum in front of her. Ask me to do that for 30 kids and I'd die. I'm also a math tutor and only take on ONE student at a time. That is what tutors are for. Classroom teachers shouldn't be expected to do the work of 30 tutors.

[@MrChristopherLock]

This interview sums it up, especially captured in this phrase, "If everyone passes to the next grade whether they work or not, why would anyone work?" The present system literally encourages giving up, not learning, reinforcing the abandonment of interest, because everyone graduates whether they tried or not.

[@Yukosan13]

My friend in the 90's was forced to repeat kinder and she never really recovered from that.. she was also held back in highschool and ended up dropping out after having to take 6am classes and staying passed 4pm to make up classes.. Once you fall behind it's extremely difficult to catch up even If you work really hard.. I'm just glad someone was there to encourage her to get her GED. Cuz jobs without a highschool diploma don't make a livable wage.. not even a bare minimum wage

[@zpascal2800]

BRUH...HE IS SPEAKING MY LANGUAGE. I felt it so much when he talked about the superficial nonsense! Like, as a student, I didn't care a lick if the classroom was decorated. Did the teacher know what they were doing? Stuff like this is why teachers are so stressed.

[@newlywedbeth]

With 35+years experience in public, private, and homeschooling, here's my opinion. The students have figured out that the algorithm doesn't work. It used to be "do well in school, go to college, get a great job. Don't do well in school, you won't go to college, you won't get a great job." Now college graduates are struggling. No jobs. Prices too high to live on. Why bother? So the prep school mentality is extinct. Kids need a place that gives them life skills, character, direction, job training for whatever they choose. You know, the home. Or a place like a home. The prep school mentality needs to be an option - not mandatory - for those who truly can be doctors and lawyers and scientists. The rest need hope. John Taylor Gatto figured it out 30 years ago. Read his books. The answer has always been there. But for some reason, the system refuses to see the truth. Education is not a right. It is not mentioned in our national Constitution. It is a privilege.

[@thepragmatist]

Completely agree with this.

[@msteach3082]

While it may not be in the Constitution, I think it’s important that we have a literate society at the very least. However, there needs to be a return to vocational training that could be outsourced to specific fields/industries. I also think parents should be contractually held accountable for the privilege of allowing their children to attend school.

[@littleeva]

Very good point. I was a teenager 50 years ago. At that time we were taught: go to school, go to college, get a great job, have a great life. But that's not true, it wasn't even true back then for some kids. People with BA degrees are working in Walmart, there are PhD's on food stamps. Today college graduates have student loans they'll never pay off, jobs pay enough for people to live on. Where are the trade schools today? Why don't they teach things like shop and home economics in schools anymore?

[@reneedennis2011]

​@@msteach3082I agree.

[@cathycoryell2351]

​@@littleevatechnical, skilled labor was removed from school, two main rule changes in 1980s. 1. Schools did not allow military or unions access to recruit students anymore. Colleges are the only ones allowed to enter s tools to recruit snymore. So many students only know about college as the only option. 2) this is mostly based on funding for high schools. Their funding from the state (ny for example) is based what percentage of seniors go to college. So sgsin, to get maximum funding, they teach to one path, college only. The trades are suffering shortages. Electrician, gas pipe fitters etc. These are 4 years of training, but not encouraged, because it's not officially college. Our national and state utilities and infrastructure will not have enough labor to repair, maintained or upgrade in coming decades.

[@munimathbypeterfelton6251]

Yep! Quinton articulated everything about American education eloquently! Teachers are unjustly expected to be miracle workers who are supposed to “make kids smart“, “do what parents cannot do” for their kids, and “give kids a life-defining experience that they won’t get anywhere else”. It’s extremely isolating for teachers and turns them into targets by the largely uneducated authorities in power. The corporate mindset that dictates everything educational in America today ruins everything for everyone and deliberately cancels every means of greatness that can and will arise if the academic world would just leave teachers be and regard them as the experts that they are. OR, wait until the last teacher leaves the profession and hit the panic button that not even a dog will hear or care about!

[@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953]

Maybe teachers should quit supporting the party that implements all this nonsense? None of you seem to make that connection.

[@remnant1018]

What I remember experiencing growing up is not what seems to be going on now: parents get the child started learning discipline, self-control, respect of other people and their belongings, reading, counting, speaking, etc (intro); teachers applying those lessons and adding to them; parents having the child practice at home; teachers continuing the existing lessons and adding to them; parents having the child practice at home… the two environments built the child’s knowledge and abilities up together. Now it seems as if society is telling parents and teachers to step back, and without that level of guidance or the enforcement of rules/discipline, children are going through their childhood without the foundation they need to develop later skills and knowledge. It’s a soggy gingerbread house built on a bed of pudding. Listening to my brothers talk about not disciplining any children they might have, watching my sister not do it, having texts come through from her dropping hints that she wants me to teach her daughter these things because she’s not doing well in school (this is _her_ child and _she’s_ not making any effort to teach those things) makes me wonder how many other families are experiencing the same and if this is part of the problem. We’re trying to be gentler with children and give them more freedom, but… soggy gingerbread house… pudding foundation. One of my younger siblings doesn’t know the difference between him and hem. There are only three letters.

[@211FairyTale]

This is SO GOOD and SO SPOT ON! It is EXACTLY the problem of current education.

[@WatchfulHunter]

I quit after 1 semester. Due to ZERO leadership from lazy, indifferent administration. I enjoyed an easy office job for the next 30 years. 30 years later as a Sub, I figured it out. 1. Greet at door as you look for troublemakers. 2. Wait for everyone to sit in a chair. 3. Any refusal to sit gets a choice to sit or get out. We have a choice room for troublemakers. If they refuse to leave, we have an admin button to the main office and can request an admin escort for disruptive child. 4. Identify self and rules. Take charge and lock it down hard and fast. 5. Point to today's work to be done. 6. Focus on noise. You are not their friend. You are their authority. 7. Every class is different. Some are easy. But you have to be prepared to take down belligerent little monsters.

[@deboradevaugh8006]

What you're saying is on point!! In terms of what happens after high school with students, my young adult works in retail and many of the young associates are on their phones while "working"!! They don't have the attention span, discipline or mindset to function in a working environment!!

[@johnnyboyvan]

Bullseye 🎯. Brilliant 👏 discussion. I was never a facilitator and I was a real teacher for 32 years! The kids loved listening to me lecture. We pretend to promote critical thinking skills but are actually dumbing them down. We had standard Provincial exams and they eliminated them because many students could not pass them anymore. 😮

[@mollygrace3068]

Diverting from textbooks is what killed my daughter’s math ability. She was great in math all the way up to 8th grade. She was a gate student and generally good in all her classes. Once she got to HS and they started integrated math (also that was the first full year of distance learning), it all fell apart. She didn’t understand anything and I’d ask her for her textbook, but she said they didn’t follow it. I’d try to find the sections in the book based on what she was describing and couldn’t. Looking back, I could’ve set up meetings with the teacher and asked for weekly reports on where in the book I could find the closest chapter to whatever they were talking about, so I could teach her the math myself. But besides the stress I was going through at the time, I was FLOORED that I could send a quiet, respectful, intelligent student to the school and they still couldn’t teach her.

[@lolz-f6c]

The phonics and times tables! They don’t do it where I live and it has made my child struggle so much.

[@VanessaJohnson-g7f]

If students expect all learning to be easy, if they expect to learn immediately and intuituvely without effort, none of them will be ready to go into STEM careers.

[@garysmith4796]

Very true. They won't be able to go into anything that requires study, work, focus, rigor (like stem, art, music, sports, gymnastics, pilot etc)

[@LauraSmith-z4p]

And- more terrifying- what if students are accepted and passed along in STEM fields for these same systemic reasons..... funny that so many planes are malfunctioning.....

[@officialnotesonlifepodcast]

That's the point!

[@emma2370]

Everything in life that is worth doing is difficult and takes time. It is just not limited to education. Being a good parent or partner is difficult and takes practice and dedication.

[@garysmith4796]

@@emma2370so true. No short cut or gimmick that develops good parenting skills

[@sarrjel]

38:24 I worked at a company that built motors for cars and trucks and my co-worker was watching cartoons on his phone while he was putting in plugs. He was fired two weeks later , not specifically for the phone deal but because he was a bad employee. Everyone at work is on their phone with ear buds and it lowers production of parts from the company. The reason I know this is because I’ve done it. Listening to the radio is different because you’re not messing around with the knob or pumping in cds. When you’re on your phone you’re constantly messing around with your phone and skipping tracks and listening to the music or KZbin channels. You’re not paying attention to your work.

[@israelbattle5997]

EXACTLY

[@SirNic4180]

The radio is cool until you hear the same songs over and over. 🫠🤮

[@randomanon7040]

I taught ELL in China, I tried to do it the American way for about a week. My supervisor got inundated with student complaints basically say “you’re the expert! You’re supposed to teach us! Stop trying to tell us to lead the class.” I took that to heart, throw my degree in the (metaphorical speaking) and hi did what my favorite high school teachers did. I went from on of the worst teachers at the school to one of the best inside a year. I did this by treat Paulo Fiere as satire and doing the opposite of what he recommends in almost every case.

[@gemox3225]

"Pseudo-scientific" is hitting the nail on the head. That's what the Education ideas sound like. That's why I didn't enter an Education program. People have to learn to teach on the job. Teaching teachers theory doesn't help.

[@thepragmatist]

This is an excellent interview. Thanks to both of you. I really appreciate Quinton's honesty that he was let go. Unfortunately, the people who are able to think critically are being eliminated from the system.