How Common Core Broke U.S. Schools

First implemented in 2009, Common Core was an ambitious initiative to revolutionize the American education system. National leaders from Bill Gates to President Obama supported the idea and it cost an estimated $15.8 billion to implement. Years later, research showed the new curriculum had minimal impact on student performance. So why did Common Core fail? Can a common curriculum be successful for all students? Watch the video to find out.
America is preparing for a return to school this fall semester, but curriculums might seem a bit different than they used to. Many states have implemented or are currently in the process of developing new educational standards to replace the Common Core.
“I think you are seeing today what kids experience and their curriculum kind of is a little bit more blended,” Connecticut Education Association President Kate Dias said.
On Feb. 12, 2020, Florida adopted the Benchmarks for Excellent Student Thinking. New York is also developing its own curriculum. The Next Generation Learning Standards are expected to be implemented throughout New York by September 2022.
However, experts remain doubtful on whether the new standards truly stand by themselves.
“The standards that the states have come up with, where they claimed they were different from Common Core, they’re really not that much different,” said Tom Loveless, an educational researcher and former senior fellow at Brookings. “Some states just basically took the Common Core label off and then slapped the new label on the package.”
The end of Common Core might be arriving, but its impacts are here to stay. Watch the video above to learn more about why states are moving away from Common Core.
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Why U.S. Schools Are Failing Our Kids

[@turle8645]

“You did it this way and got the correct answer. However you were SUPPOSED to do it this way. Therefore you have failed the assignment.”

[@phinehaszheng5602]

and don't forget to "sHOw YOuR wOrK"

[@DreamFearless]

Not every problem can be solved with every method. You should be trying to learn each method so when you run into a problem that isn't set up like the only way you could learn, you can still get the answer. That's for people who want to know and use math tho.

[@dfct9494]

Yes, because you won't always be able to find the answer to a question using the same process. It does make sense. Or like using the quadratic formula everytime you encounter a problem where that could be applicable. It takes way way way to long to be considered effective.

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

@@phinehaszheng5602 Showing your work is used by teachers to see how you are doing a problem, which could give the teacher an insight on how you do work, which makes it easier for them to help you. I know many do not like it, I don't either, but I t is useful.

[@erwinlommer197]

Of course if the assignment asks you to solve it in specific way then it is a fail if you don't do it that way. If the instructions say build a concrete pyramid and you build a wooden pyramid. You did build a pyramid but you failed the assignment. If the assignment is to program hello world in assembly language and you used c++ then you failed the assignment. If the assignment was to write a 5 page novel in french about your hair and you wrote it in german then you failed it. Details matter and just getting the right answer is not the assignment.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

When kids still get punished for getting the right answer because they didnt do it, "the right way", all you're going to get is angry and confused kids and parents.

[@ApesAmongUs]

But that's true in high school math all along. Solving a quadratic equation by completing the square is a different assignment than solving it with the quadratic formula. Where and when did you learn math where method wasn't important?

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@ApesAmongUs I literally have no idea what you're talking about.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer So, presumably, you didn't do well in Algebra.

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

@@ApesAmongUs I remember taking algebra 1 to graduate. But never used it again.

[@ApesAmongUs]

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer Then why do you feel qualified to talk about math education, since you never received any?

[@zane6138]

Tbh, I’m glad I had a teacher who didn’t care how to do a problem the “right” way and cared more of if you got the answer correct, she literally let us do it any way possible if it was correct

[@Sentientmatter8]

I stopped liking math when I got in trouble with my first grade teacher for explaining an addition problem using multiplication.

[@VRNocturne]

Lucky you - when I was in elementary school back in the 80's, the right answer had to be done the "right" way. That's WAY before the Common Core era. People blame Common Core for things that come down to the individual teacher.

[@Shoelessjoe78]

​@@Sentientmatter8I'm sorry you had that experience. As a special education teacher I fight this battle every day. And my students go to college... (Nowadays I've worked SDC as well). I care for my students dearly support them in their growth however it best suits them. So you are all aware. We simply do not have the support and financing we need. It's gotten significantly worse in the last 20 years. Before you tar and feather me I'm also a veteran. My military kit improved dramatically over my teaching kit. We have to stop worrying about wars and start worrying about our country's future.

[@jamesbell739]

All this and NO ONE Thought that paying teachers better and making sure the best and brightest stay on the job, was important.

[@lukewise3244]

There are a ton of teachers now who make bank. I’m 28 now, and we have a healthy amount of teachers making into the $70/$80k range at the school system I went to K-12. That’s in a county where the median household income is $63,130. Even in areas in my state (Ohio) where teachers may not be paid that handsomely, public school teachers get a pension that is 75% of the average of their highest 5 years of service. Pensions all but have completely disappeared for the private sector, with them relying on SS and maybe a 401k.

[@jamesbell739]

@@lukewise3244 That is one district and we know that is not the case across the country. States like Texas and Florida are the opposite when it comes to paying teachers and supporting them. Texas has a teacher shortage and Florida tried to or passed a bill to lower the teaching standards and put people in classes who are not certified...

[@Dremac5]

Ask any teacher they’ll let ya know it’s parents

[@jamesbell739]

@@Dremac5 You'll get no argument from me there. It's a group effort to not support teachers or a healthy learning environment these days.

[@lukewise3244]

@@jamesbell739 When you have people flocking to certain states mixed with all employers not being able to keep anyone anymore, there are going to be shortages in different professions. Florida's population grew about 5% from 2020 to 2023, and Texas' grew about 4.7% over the same timeframe (while Ohio's decreased by 0.1%). Putting people in classes who are not certified is the least of everyone's concerns anymore, especially with some of the things that were discovered during the pandemic.

[@cinderblockstudios]

As long as we keep treating education like a series of hurdles to jump over rather than a way to foster curiosity and intelligence then we'll keep failing.

[@ariesfairy4444]

ding ding ding!

[@MH3GL]

Nicely said.

[@jessirvington1946]

Which is exactly what the schools leading in education do….. why are we not emulating them and continuing down the road we’re on, of forced memorization (lack of actual understanding the whys) and over stressing the next generation (causing anxiety and depression). Like WTF!!!!!!

[@keenangil4737]

You win the best comment of the day award

[@kamikeserpentail3778]

If common core fails, it is because it fails to properly do this, not because some old fools don't understand why it's taught this way.

[@holytankadinSabelane]

I grew up under 'no child left behind,' which just meant every child left behind. They cut out advanced and slow classes to make everyone learn together, but that meant we could only go as fast as the slowest child.

[@turtlememes2334]

I'm pretty sure I learned 5 methods of adding under common core. Not sure on the exact number, but honestly ANYTHING over 2 is 100% unnecessary

[@ObtainThePain]

I'm so lucky to have dodged common core before it was implemented, my sympathies to all of you

[@morgangreed1969]

In my school, that policy resulted in teachers being pressured and forced to change the failing students grade into a passing grade. So it resulted in kids who would otherwise have to deal with the consequences of failing class to coast by, and when they got out they had the education of a middle schooler at best.

[@hannahvogel222]

it was the absolute worst bc when i finished my work days before other kids i just ended up wasting tons of time

[@catie7466]

thats not part of no child left behind or common core. that was just your school district making a bad decision.

[@Lillyluvsanime]

I'm Texan, we never adopted common core at all, so this is really fascinating to me. Being autistic myself, I honestly think I would probably have struggled more with common core than I did with, "regular," math. My position was usually, "I'm good at math, it just doesn't interest me," so... I kinda ignored math which then lead to my struggling.

[@WedgePee]

Luckily, I was taught my maths in the UK in the mid-to-late 2000s. I only ever had to carry and borrow, none of this "get to the next ten, next hundred" malarkey. I remember having to estimate in Year 2 (your equivalent would be first grade). I counted the exact number anyway!

[@tex6924]

Rare Texas W

[@moondude363]

Been in both common core states and not. Common core math was very unintuitive. Texas is better.

[@tex6924]

@moondude363 I'm so glad I spent most of my schooling years in Texas. Also glad we skedaddled outta there almost immediately after lol

[@moondude363]

@@tex6924 Yeah this place can get off the rails sometimes 🤣

[@waverna]

Us schools started to break in the 1980s, and continued to decline so much that after forty years they thought something as ridiculously inane as common core seemed reasonable to them.

[@BingQilin]

"Why would they change math? Math is math!"

[@StSebbe]

I understood that reference

[@bowenjudd1028]

What if that’s a reference to common core.

[@mariodangelo9768]

@@bowenjudd1028 it's not The Incredibles takes place in like the fifties or 60s or something

[@kapjoteh]

@@mariodangelo9768 no it doesn’t

[@Ez1DD]

@@kapjoteh the movie took place in the 60's - Late 70's time period. You can tell by the intro and first half of the first Incredibles. The Audio feedback, and Quality of the interview intro scene. Was a nod of the the "IN COLOR" era.

[@twocubez7848]

Common Core Summarized: “Stop everything, we’ve found a harder way to do it.”

[@cuntress9000]

lmaooo literally

[@sharkparty1027]

As a doctor, common core is what actually teaches. The old style is useless memorization, which is why the US is dumb.

[@tbyoda9475]

@@sharkparty1027 and when your in a job that need you to do some math for example no body cares how you do it as long as your answers are correct and repeatable.

[@lt3943]

FACTS

[@batsonelectronics]

I don't agree with that. It is harder for many but not all. To me, math should be taught both ways. I got math easily and CC way would have driven me insane. I can think of some kids I knew who didn't understand math and it might have been better for them though. I started school in the 70's.

[@VoyagerWon]

A short message for students, by a student, If your school offers any sort of club or activity that is little to no cost for you, TAKE IT. It's usually something that is much more freeing than CC (Common Core), meaning if you can push through a school day, you can look forward to something after or possibly during school. Basically, take all the resources you have available to you. I did this (took soccer, chess, and more) and heavily enjoyed it. I made new friends and connections, learned new things, and it also gave me something to do and talk about. Trust me, it'll be the best decision you can make to make yourself feel "free" from standardized learning.

[@bubbleboy821]

I don't understand this at all. Joining activities like this just means that instead of being at school for 8 hours every day, now you are there for 10 or more hours, and probably some weekends too, depending on the activity. This just takes all of your time up as a kid, making finding time for homework more difficult. If you are a kid that hates your home life, or likes never having time to do anything, then yes join as many activities as possible.

[@elvinwisp]

​@@bubbleboy821Yeah, I've only thought about joined a club once or twice for these reasons. Not only that, but my school only offers like five clubs and I'm only mildly interested in like two of them

[@DaJodad]

This is exactly what I did as well, and the difference really shows when the topic of highschool comes up amongst people I graduated with. I was part of the Robotics club, Programming Club and the school softball team. It turned school from something I either didn't like or didn't care for; into something I looked forward to almost every day. Despite what some people talk about "cutting into homework time," I always had a lot of free time even with the heaviest homework loads, and part of my free time WAS the club activities because I enjoyed them. If you never tried to do anything like what I'm talking about, and you still have a chance, JOIN SOMETHING! You will not regret it. You will only look back later and wish you did more if you don't at least try. Not to mention, when gwtting a job, some of the clubs I joined back then were actually relevant to landing the job as it created a great conversation about my interests with the interviewer!

[@Zebulization]

Well, well, looks like someone had parents who had schedules that allowed them to pick their kids up after school. Must have been nice. I rode the school bus. In high school, I couldn't get a car because my parents still wouldn't drive me to and from an after-school job. They weren't about to risk me damaging their cars. I had to wait for a bank bond to mature, twenty year bond from a grandparent, before I could finally buy an old car that still ran.

[@VoyagerWon]

@@Zebulization I actually walked home every day, rain or shine, afternoon or night!

[@abramwalker882]

My mom taught for 13 years before she quit because she was disciplined for refusing to follow the common core curriculum back in 2013. She called it back then. I am so glad I graduated before it fully took effect.

[@alexmendez3681]

Yea but what about your kids? What will you do then?

[@abramwalker882]

@@alexmendez3681 I don't rely on the school's to teach my kids. I spend time with them every day at home learning. Sometimes it's reading, sometimes it's working in my shop, sometimes it's watching a documentary, etc. I've always believed parents are the first ones responsible for their children's education. Also, if your kids don't see that their parents value education then why would they? We have to practice what we preach.

[@kylorenkardashian79]

Asking your parents to help you with common core math homework is like asking your German speaking uncle to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics

[@ScarletBrimstone]

My kid has to teach ME the common core strategy before I can even help them. How does that help them when they can't even explain what they're supposed to be learning? You don't need to worry about where the numbers come from until you get into calculus classes....

[@Elijah-um8ve]

@Bardenbella120 that’s funny because in math, the teachers usually teach multiple different methods in order to solve a problem, contrary to what you have just said. Math isn’t about just getting to the answer, the process is important too because it also encourages critical thinking.

[@Elijah-um8ve]

What I’m trying to say is that the problem is neither so the multiple ways of a solution or the parents being unable to help. I think it’s a much more deep rooted problem in the system of Common Core that is affecting some students. The pacing and the less interactive approach that have been incurred that more so leaves an unfavorable impact on some of our youth.

[@jonesy514]

I know right?

[@butwhytho4858]

@@Elijah-um8ve the problem is no one knew how to do math “this way”. Yesterday I helped my 7th grader work a problem because he was confused. We argued for an hr trying to figure out what to do. In the end we worked example problem after example problem until he could get it…. Then I showed him MY way and we were done in 8 min…. Add to that, not everyone is going to be GOOD at math. All through HS and college I struggled spending hrs in free tutoring on campus. I managed to get through calculus for a radiologic tech degree… That was BS… at the lvl they wanted us to know math in relation to these machines, you would think I was studying to build or improve in their design… YET, I still don’t understand interest rates, 75% off sales, taxes, or even how to “count back” money without a register… but I mean, I can plot a graph and work a Texas Instruments calculator….

[@97Ant]

My history teacher went out of his way to teach us about investing and managing our money more than he taught history, because no one else was going to do it. I'll forever have respect for that man for that.

[@PlaneWalker18]

That was a good teacher. Shame they are in short supply now.

[@Tetris521]

My middle school math teacher did the same. Nobody listened bc we were just kids but looking back on it, that was useful information.

[@thesuperdoge2476]

@@Tetris521 i mean you did remember it right ? That man is a godsend if he still teaches that even when the kids were ignoring him

[@Tetris521]

@@thesuperdoge2476 actually i was one of the kids who didn't listen. 5 yrs later while getting into investing i remembered all of it. I've got good memory.

[@baronstriker8378]

One of my teachers was fired because he wanted to actually teach us instead of just giving us papers to work on with no explanation

[@ceesparxxx]

Honestly the biggest problem in the education system in the United States is that we don't let kids choose how they want to learn and what they want to learn. Everyone learns differently. If we let kids choose what they want to learn and how they want to learn it, there would be WAY more kids actually wanting to learn!

[@dancingpixie74sb]

Ty!!!!! We are unschooling and going for child led learning 👍🏼. Especially because my child is autistic and is very much gifted in music and cooking! She’s not slowed to be free in her class. She got so stressed out! So I’m done with public schools. Done!

[@estycki]

Pretty much everyone agrees they felt grade school was mostly a waste of time and expensive baby sitting, that time could be used to start developing their natural interests and skills. There are a few basic things everyone needs to learn, but I agree, we need to ask kids "what do you want to know" and they'll be much less bored, they'll be excited to be there and be motivated to absorb information.

[@ruthosornio7779]

​@Estycki I love grade school...I was half homeschooling and half public schooled

[@JoeBurrowSucks]

and then they prescribe you Adderall for not wanting to sit still in a cramped desk for 7+ hours

[@Bobrogers99]

I agree that everyone learns differently, but I can't see having the kids make all the decisions because they don't know all the choices. A good teacher learns the unique ways that each student learns and adapts lessons to incorporate those ways. I always enjoyed seeing the light dawn when I presented something from a different angle.

[@HeatherSummerRaine]

I pulled my child out of High School because she was no where near close to passing the Math EOC. She started common core in kindergarten, and was beyond lost. We had to go back to basics, and not breakdown the problems. She doesn’t learn like that. Once she grasped basic concepts we moved on from there, and incorporated harder math. She just graduated homeschool, and made it into the college of her choice all without the EOC, and common core. She went from feeling like a math failure to understanding it. The public school system is great if you fit in that mold of their learning, but if you don’t it can be really difficult! I will never regret pulling her out of public school!

[@FlashToso]

Top scoring & most improved states use Common Core! Schools scoring at the top & bottom using the same standards proves LOCAL choices, textbooks, training, testing etc affect results!

[@Biscuit9891]

"The essence of mathematics is not to make simple things complicated, but to make complicated things simple” - Stan Gudder

[@1mol831]

…. Now learning calculus 2 advanced, they are teaching limits, and how a function is continuous because the sup(A) < b is not true…. Imagine that in primary school

[@The-Devils-Advocate]

@@1mol831 You may have misunderstood the quote. The way I interpret it is that math allows us to model things that seem unpredictable and unexplainable.

[@kevinh6008]

All you have to do is to try to imagine solving these real world problems without mathematics. We take do much for granted.

[@tickbird8573]

if you think math education in US is too complicated see how China teach math in HS :-)

[@arghya4NE]

@@tickbird8573 the Chinese , South Koreans and Indians all have very tough HS curriculum They also have the highest student suicide rates in the world

[@jbarnes1599]

Government: finding the most expensive way to completely fail at everything.

[@benwalter4842]

Especially infrastructure

[@jamesbra4410]

Sort of, more like how can we milk the most profit for ourselves while diminishing the competitive advantage of education to make the inequality gap even wider.

[@devintompkins9626]

Money laundering at its finest

[@KeystrokeBrony]

In our country at least. Our culture's anti-government stance is a major cause. It means citizens don't respect civic engagement and don't believe in their own ability to get involved and make a good difference. This leaves us with only rich, socially disconnected, typically older people with agendas as the only willing volunteers for the job. And once they get there, their constituents' apathy and cynicism tells them thry should just use the power for themselves while they have it, like any American in this era probably would.

[@KeystrokeBrony]

Government, like anything in this world is a neutral construct, but it can only be as just or as corrupt as its people. We've become a selfish, uneducated people with no loyalty or humility, only concerned with buying the next shiny piece of garbage handed to us by those who we let tell us what to accept. So it naturally follows our government, even with such a well-written Constitution would become the same... inept, selfish, dysfunctional, hot-headed.. like the family it was born from.

[@conradmusicofficial586]

"most adults could tell you the pythagorean theorem" Wow! That lady sure has a lot of faith in the intelligence of people!

[@genericu2]

I mean its the pythagorean theorem not the law of cosines

[@conradmusicofficial586]

@@genericu2 I assure you they can't

[@genericu2]

@@conradmusicofficial586 I mean for the law of cosines thats kinda hard to memorize but most Americans past the age of 12 know the Pythagorean theorem by heart, its practically a part of our culture

[@HiDefHDMusic]

@@genericu2most people know the equation, very few people could explain its application or prove it works

[@TatyanaKosh]

@@HiDefHDMusicvast majority of population have absolutely no reason to use it, much less have reasons to need to explain why it works.

[@Morgan313]

I know a lot of teachers who left the system. None of them said they left common core. They said things like, low pay for their level of education, long hours, and lack of support from the school administration

[@cmndrkool321]

We need to stop “revolutionizing” math. There are 1,000 ways someone can do an equation- I understand that; but let’s stick to 2 or 3 methods that work the best and use the rest of the time to learn something more useful.

[@alexmm01]

Totally agree. I tried to help my son with elementary arithmetic and realized that the curriculum is no longer even to solve the problem. It is totally alien to me. It is like the aim was to make a simple concept complicated.

[@totallyaccuratebotansimula9493]

Innovation doesn't mean you reinvent the wheel. Well said.

[@NyscanRohid]

@@alexmm01 Note: "I don't understand this" does not mean "this is more complicated."

[@SeaPen]

I know in 8th we were doing Algebra and they gave us like 3 different ways to do it making it annoyingly complicated. Then in Algebra 2 in highschool my teacher was like we are doing this because it is the easiest way and it made sense.

[@willpaul5202]

@@SeaPen your first teacher was an idiot. There really is only one way to approach a math problem correctly, example..you would not build a house by constructing the walls first. Without a solid foundation in math it's almost impossible to advance to higher math.

[@emilyb5307]

Right now the school system is more focused on "prepare kids to score high on tests so they can improve our statistics" and not on "make sure this knowledge actually sticks so that our kids think critically and can grow and learn..."

[@teaofpastels]

yeah, the standardized test model is one of the worst things about the american education system (looking at you collegeboard)

[@inertiaking1]

Id rather sit in a field doing nothing than be in school

[@lindseyivetun]

🎯

[@MrPipin22]

You could argue the previous education system also didn’t work. Look all the people believing in conspiracies, propaganda, and pseudo-science. 😔

[@kevinc8955]

It’s all incentive. We elect politicians that measure schools by their test scores so educators design curriculum around improving test scores to make the politicians re-electable. At the end of the day though, the core problem is that kids are just dumber today than they were 30 years ago. Smartphones and tablets. Their brains have been trained by too much screen time to need short bursts of dopamine throughout the day to function, which is counter to how learning boring subjects like Algebra fundamentally works. So either you unrealistically build trigonometry curriculum that makes kids lock in like it’s a tik tok video roulette, or you teach them test questions so they appear to know the material. None of that is going to help them when they get to college though and start competing against foreign kids in engineering and medical programs.

[@RegularInvader]

The main problem is that school years are treated as strictly timed schedules. Whenever there are students falling behind for whatever reason, teachers tend to assume those kids aren't intelligent "enough." Most of the time it causes kids to feel like they "must" be perfect students in order to gain respect from their teachers. I used to deal with all kinds of crappy teachers who did not appreciate the reality of some students not being good with certain school subjects.Those teachers most likely never grew up with the idea of how some students become a lot more successful by not being the perfect student. I sometimes wonder if those teachers may had "peaked" back in their day because it doesn't seem like there's anything else they would be good at since they seemed to have liked staying in the campus.

[@mayorbob4512]

No lol

[@LEARNING-67]

If u feel like u must/should be the belly button of the universe, then it's your own problem, not the education!

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

This was actually my issue with teaching recent high school graduates. They were so afraid of being judged that they would never write anything out or draw a diagram when necessary and they would go into a paralysis despite knowing how to do things. Teach them physics and they won't draw out a free body diagram to visualize the forces involved. They try to do it in their head, which (out of the hundreds of students I saw) nobody could do. Try to teach them digital electronics and they won't ever draw out a finite state machine diagram, despite the technique being insanely powerful (i.e. you don't have to be a genius to understand what's going on anymore). It's really bad. Then once they graduate from college, they are pretty much useless for a year because they are used to being fed information and told what to do and they don't know how to handle unfamiliar problems in an information rich environment or learn how to do things themselves. There is something very wrong with our education system if this is the type of person it produces.

[@elvinwisp]

​@@hypothalapotamus5293This kind of turned into an info/life story dump and it's really long and kind of came off weird, so read at your own caution (to whoever's reading this). Yeah, I'm currently a sophomore in highschool and I'm only now just starting to learn how to think and do things on my own. And it's most DEFINITELY not because of school. I'm having to undo al the damage that school has done to my way lf thinking over the years. Ever since I started school in first grade (I didn't go to kindergarten), I got straight As without trying, just by paying attention in class. Everything was just fed to me, and I happened to be good at picking it up. And I was rewarded for the "talent" that I was born with, and even put into the gited program. And since I wanted to keep being rewarded, that's all I would focus on, but that led to some big problems not too far down the road. Since I was putting all my attention into schoolwork, I kind of forgot about everything else. I forgot that I liked to draw, and run around outside, and I didn't even think about picking up any new hobbies, I guess because I thought I didn't need any now, or that I was just so low on energy that I couldn't think about anything else. I never got to develop an identity of any kind before I started school, so being "smart" became my only defining factor. So naturally, with being "smart" in my mind meaning that everything came to me easily, I grew afraid of challenges, and felt defeated when things got hard. No one thought to tell me that challenges were a good thing, just that I was "smart." This led to me developing perfectionist habits and beating myself up over the smallest things constantly, leading to depression. I wasn't even in the second grade yet. I didn't know how to deal with that. I didn't even notice the change until around 5th or 6th grade, and even then... I didn't feel like changing it. It didn't feel like I had to. I could only remember the times when I felt that way, and I was used to it by then. I'm not sure exactly how or when, but I slowly started sorting things out. I remember at the end of sixth grade, my history teacher had to renew her gifted teaching license and record a video of her teaching a group of kids, and I was included in that group since I was in her class. Part of the lesson was about different mindsets- static mindsets and growth mindsets. At the end of the lesson, we got a worksheet where the goal was to change a static mindset sentence into a growth one. The lesson got me thinking "I've always liked people that say they like a challenge, so why not try this?" I know I had made a bit of progress before then, otherwise I wouldn't be open to changing anything, or know that I liked that mindset, but that definitely played a big role in starting the process. Now I'm still sorting through things, and it's extremely slow, and disheartening at times. I've started to learn piano, as well as how to draw, but I still get discouraged easily, and haven't even learned the basics of either. It feels like I've been taking a few steps back lately, likely because school has started again, and on top of having my priorities cemented in the wrong order, I have to wake up at 6:00 to go to school, and I've always had problems going to sleep, let alone on time and then getting up early in the morning, so with my circadian rhythm having shifted, on top of having tachycardia, it's been really difficult to make time for anything else. I usually don't even have time on weekends, because I'm still trying to catch up on lost sleep. I'm still going to keep trying though. Since school has been stressing me out so much for so long, I've been thinking about convincing my mother to let me switch to homeschooling, since I'm not learning anything at school anyway and it's just making everything worse. I've been talking about it a bit with her, but she seems to think I won't do my work, and she's worried about how I'll apply to college or get a job later on if I don't get a diploma. From what I've seen, in our state parents can give their kids diplomas on their own if they're homeschooled, and the only requirement for homeschooling is to check in with someone and say that the student is being homeschooled, but I'm not entirely sure if that's true or not and I don't know who to ask about it. I just know that I *need* an alternative because the lack of sleep is making it hard to do anything, and I'm constantly stressed out and have no energy.

[@KT28818]

This is how I felt. There were certain subjects I did great at, but with the ones I struggled in I never received help. One of my teachers even told me I’d never make anything out of myself.. it crushed me to the point where I honestly didn’t care anymore. So I quit school at 16 and got my GED. For me, that was when my learning really started to pick up. My teachers in GED class went at my pace and would explain things to me when I got them wrong and show me how to get the correct answer. I think teaching should be at the pace of the student, because we all don’t learn at the same pace. We’re all different and that’s okay!

[@socksumi]

Since common core was implemented US ranking in world education standards has dropped even lower than it already was.

[@prakesh2904]

Common Core math is genuinely the dumbest way of teaching math I have ever encountered

[@DevSarman]

Not to mention wasting spaces on paper

[@randomhiphop5055]

And we all knew it and they still fking did it. Our educational systems are compromised.

[@andrewyang7763]

as the Incredibles would say, Math is Math!

[@bigmike0111]

Are you a math teacher??

[@prakesh2904]

@@bigmike0111 no, math student. But I moved to a different every year of elementary school so I have a good idea of the education system in some places. While its not perfect i still talk to my friends from those areas and can see the differences.

[@KS-un3pi]

It is frustrating that people make rules when they aren't in the classroom or have been far removed from it.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

I mean teachers had a huge amount of input into the process and were some of the biggest drivers.

[@lookoutforchris]

Hey does anyone remember when people protested the feds forcing common core on every state? And those people were labeled as right wing nut jobs who had conspiracies about the feds? This is what they were talking about … it doesn’t work and is a bad idea. Anyone that saw the actual content of what/how stuff would be taught under common core recognized it was a stupid idea.

[@shadowbadgercat]

They don’t give a sh!t about the students. Honestly. They don’t see that the structure of a grading system is so wrong to begin with. Plus homework is a punishment on every student in the US

[@bm1747]

@@shadowbadgercat so glad the teaching community has largely moved away from homework now. You just can't assume anything about kids home life.

[@shadowbadgercat]

@@bm1747 bro I’m still in school

[@mrhatch117]

My 15 year old struggled for years in NY w/ common core. This year he is in Texas without common core and is an A-B student

[@neoxyte]

The other way to look at this is that texas schools have much lower standards that its easy to get a's there. I went to school in NYC and then moved to a different state. The other state was laughably easier in terms of standardized tests.

[@jonschreiners5006]

That was in the video…the purpose of Common Core was to raise the standards. So of course if your kid goes to school in a state with lower standards, they will get better grades.

[@user-et6se3hl1v]

This is a socialist style math. Common core is communist ideology.

[@PetShopCrazy101]

It's sad my mom was raised in Europe and Asia and she said kids were on their 2nd language by 2nd or 3rd grade 😢 She's often shocked I don't know basic skills or history because I was never taught. (History just kept going over things like the Civil War but I was never taught about anything that happened 1950's+ )

[@FlashToso]

Reagan found the same issues in 1980s! Too bad people blame recent reforms instead of focusing on how to improve & why strange & challenging homework is beneficial.

[@ladysensei1487]

My dad is from Europe too. He says the same but…. The language thing is simple to explain. Kids don’t learn second languages in the US because we simply don’t need it. In Europe, the smaller land mass and mix of languages is such that you MUST learn at least one other language to communicate effectively. Here, it’s just not that way. Unless you live in south west areas. Spanish is taught and a lot of people do speak Spanish as a second language in those areas. History is typically thought of as 50+ years ago. Sooner than that it’s more thought of as a current event. We have about 300 years of history to learn. Verses the 2000+ years of Europe. So yeah subjects will be repeated more. But world history is required in high school so if you’re not in high school yet, you should be learning more then.

[@mattross4892]

Raising standards on already unmotivated students is a recipe for disaster. And while were on the subject, dangling a students future in front of them like a carrot on a stick does not motivate them to do better in school, it makes them feel defeated and more likely to give up

[@Ebony.Doll_Games]

this comment explains this a lot

[@newspaperbin6763]

algebra in a nutshell

[@user-kr2ty9vk5n]

Students aren't unmotivated. Our education system just sucks and the parents who don't do enough can't because they are busy addressing out about bills or safety

[@HenceMan]

@@newspaperbin6763 **AP Algebra

[@spaceplex5079]

Since zoom, it has to be both

[@mr.applejuice8546]

Ya know the thing I never got about this common core implementation is the reasoning that "America is lagging behind other countries in education and we need to catch up to these other nations" which is very true but then they go ahead and ignore the proven better education systems (that they themselves admitted) adopted by said countries and decided to create their own very unproven method.

[@markvalentine5851]

YYYYEEEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go adopt Singapore's system or Finland's.

[@ericolens3]

Oof. I'd like to think lobbyists had a major part in why things turned our the way they did.

[@sjacks3281]

Thank you

[@Preservestlandry]

I don't know if it was unproven because that math is just Singapore math. It's a conceptual math that was already used in Singapore.

[@bradderby7090]

What are those systems? How are they implemented?

[@Cjinglaterra]

I have no idea about the other stuff, but I tried to help a friend of mine help his boy with his math homework. None of us could make heads or tails of it. Ought to ressurect the stuff my Dad did in school. He was born in '58, and he can do long division in his head. Mom was born in '63, and somewhere in that time they changed things. She said she didn't really grasp things until a college professor caught her adding on her fingers and taught her properly. When I was struggling with arithmetic early on, folks brought out the old books from early last century and it just clicked into place.

[@alexmendez3681]

What was that book called?

[@DoubleH2279]

As someone with autism who struggles with learning the “correct way”, I must say, I am very grateful that this issue is finally being brought to attention on a national level.

[@perforongo9078]

The most useful course I ever took in High School was a financial literacy course taught as an elective by a teacher who used to work as an accountant.

[@jonathangriffiths9713]

The only useful courses I took were my trade school's business class and IT class

[@orlock20]

My economic teacher later became the major of a city of 800,000 people. We even dabbled in futures were we made a 50% return of our own money in 3 months.

[@Panda_J1]

Good for you. I didn’t get any of that. Just the basic English, math, science, history and gym. Oh yea and lunch, I couldn’t fail that class

[@Happyfortunestudio]

Ayyyy I’m an accountant

[@skoolboy991]

this!!! and also a huge shoutout to a class that taught me proper typing as well as how to properly use excel

[@anthonyfn]

Classic america sees others doing better and instead of copying their system. They reinvent the wheel...

[@ryanmccaffery9027]

Exactly. My favorite, is that when one of the highest ranked nations based on education revealed they only go to school 4 hours a day, our response was to increase time at school.

[@youngyingyang]

LOL... that "we're-the-center-of-world" stupid reasoning also applies to a medical system paid by the government in 97% of the world, but we're the only idiots who would rather spend that money on useless and overpriced military equipment. The future will be won by countries with the highest level of educated people not by the biggest and most expensive military.

[@ryanmccaffery9027]

@@youngyingyang hillbilly reasoning: freedom. Because America is the only free country lmao.

[@SuperYoungblood123]

@@ryanmccaffery9027 do you really think your smarter than a hillbilly in woods because you went to a university! You elitist are really hilarious. Just move to a country of your choice like China! I moved to the US from a communist country and like it.

[@maxsteel32]

@@SuperYoungblood123 you might think it's alright now. We are talking about providing education etc. for the next generation of Americans to take over. We keep screwing that up like we have been the US will eventually pay the price.

[@sugakookie6303]

When my youngest was in school, he dealt with core curriculum. It was explained very differently to me. As a military dependent growing up, I changed schools every year and a half. Some states taught things in different grades and I missed out on quite a few things. When I first read about CC, I thought great, classes will be taught at the same time and how much better it would be for kids like I was that had to move a lot. But no, a basic good idea went haywire…like most ideas the government comes up with…

[@olliesweirdworld]

High school student here: never seen that common core math before

[@courtjester1135]

Blaming the public for rejecting Common Core is like a comic blaming the audience's ignorance for not laughing at his 'sophisticated' jokes.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Well there are a whole lot of mathematicians and engineers who wish they were taught common core.

[@lookoutforchris]

@@peterisawesomeplease yeah ima weigh in here. Common core is absolute garbage. So was New Math, for anyone old enough to remember. Traditional math education from 100+ years ago was far superior. This idea that you have to reinvent the subject to teach it is trash. There are horrible and fundamental problems in the schools far more pressing than the way things are taught. Bozo teachers are probably at the top of the list. The incompetent cannot teach.

[@potatoraider7320]

@@peterisawesomeplease source: trust me

[@asdf51501]

Or a Hollywood director blaming "toxic fans" for the failure of their crappy movie.

[@nepnep8444]

@@peterisawesomeplease and that's two specific groups, not the general public who do not need to learn this way

[@Lol-dn5vf]

I had a classmate who could do math in his head and get the right answer, but always got docked for not explaining how he did it. I was always terrible with math but great at writing, so he would solve and I would make up an explanation on how he got it. It was a beautiful partnership lol

[@a1fastyellowkitten780]

i did it in my head to and the teacher thiught i was cheating so i did a problem in front of gim to prove i could do it in my head and how i did it

[@sonjagatto9981]

Awesome...makes me happy! 😊🍁

[@Kayvveen]

@@a1fastyellowkitten780 lol I got extra classes In math and now I can’t even do it in my head anymore

[@morgangreed1969]

I had the same issue. I could calculate quickly in my head, but I had terrible handwriting so sometimes I would get docked points even if I put in the effort. I decided I would rather get an 85 rather than a 95, and put my time toward something more useful. My best classes were electives like economics and accounting rather than those common core classes.

[@Aogamii]

@@morgangreed1969 I’m kind of the opposite. Like the solution is one thing, but I love explaining the process I took to reach the answer. I believe economics involves a similar process too. I took AP Macro/Microeconomics back in High School, and that involved a lot more explanations compared to my AP Calculus.

[@briantep458]

teach kids three things 1. How to learn on your own 2. How to be objective 3. How to treat others with respect

[@FlashToso]

Social media shows adults object to 'independent thinking' skills that require strange & challenging problems & research. Politics shows adults unable to do own fact checking. They depend on finding others who agree but without ACTUALLY understanding issues!

[@elputas]

Wow, I would like to see children teaching maths all on their own... THAT IS COMPLETELY ABSURD.

[@elputas]

Well, millennials are the products of "modern education" absurd theories and beliefs. These are the products of idiotic 90s and 2000s beliefs like "multiple intelligences" "children "learning by themselves" and other rubbish like that. Now we have all those political and social dogmas like gender ideology, feminism and woke mentality being forced in schools and universities as the. These little millennials are now finding impossible to climb the steep stairway of maturity and adulthood... CONVENIENT!

[@FlashToso]

@@elputas Kids interacting with others & with real examples is absurd????? You prefer kids being told what to do instead of experimenting with how math concepts work????

[@briantep458]

@@elputas kzbin.info?search_query=childrens+math+playlist

[@ViceKnIghtTA]

Im happy that I got a teacher who cared more about how the class treated me than a robot who graded me on my math mistakes.

[@alexhobbs5704]

It's interesting that this video frames it as "we all thought this was a great idea. Why did it fail?" I grew up in a western state, and when common core came out as an idea, I NEVER heard a parent say good things about it. I think the attitude of the video is reflective of that of leaders: out of touch with the people they're serving.

[@dj_matanzaa]

Right, it was always a frustrating example of the inadequacy of our educational system to change in a positive way.

[@randomhiphop5055]

That's exactly what I'm saying.

[@baileyduryea3168]

Yeah same. I was a student in Florida at the time and my mom was a teacher. I never met a single person who supported it

[@beastycool]

i mean look at the people who supported it. bill gates, Obama their kids don't go to public school.

[@Equivocal-squiggle]

I remember in my freshman or sophomore year, there was an "experimental" test that came out through CC. Our teachers said that we weren't required to take it, but it could help the states understand our collective learning levels better. What kid is going to take an optional test, especially one that was scorned by parents (and privately by teachers)? I remember the teachers acting like we should take it, but they didn't hide the fact that they weren't bothered by us not taking it either... because truthfully, every teacher that I ever spoke to in private about it said that they felt constrained and that the only reason that the states chose to do it was because of the funding.

[@jofussh.2103]

This all sounds like one huge experiment. "Will this work?" "I don't know, let's try." "Woops, it failed. Student performance hasn't changed significantly."

[@xptaco2298]

But lets keep it in just in case

[@sethenewman4309]

@@xptaco2298 instead of switching to a better method

[@tannerstoltz3070]

That's what it was an experiment. How else do you get a scientific result? lol The hypothesis was this was going to raise achievement, and it didn't. It takes 13 years to complete any education system experiment because that's how long it takes for a student to go through the complete system.

[@sethenewman4309]

@@tannerstoltz3070 I’m the test subject of this experiment I didn’t consent to it my whole education/child hood has been nothing but pain because of this excuse of a curriculum.

[@tannerstoltz3070]

@@sethenewman4309 Schools need to try new things. You're going to be a test subject regardless. What is the other option, schools never change? Do you want school to be like how they were in the 50s? Now, who is in charge of pushing new ideas and if it should be federal or local is a separate argument, but you can't feel used because common core failed, because what we had before wasn't any better and was quickly becoming outdated.

[@mikaaltieri7472]

Homework IS NOT for parents. My mom said, "I went to school. I did my work. Now, it's your turn." NO ONE helped me with homework. If a student cannot tackle their homework ON THEIR OWN, it is inappropriate. Therefore kids in pre-K and kindergarten should NOT be getting homework, because they can't do it BY THEMSELVES!!!

[@jessiwhitt870]

I 100% agree! I remember having this outrageous project in 5th grade where we had to make a alphabet book of our state along with descriptions and pictures and it was such a nightmare for a little 10 year old kid. I agree, homework never really helped me or anyone I knew! It was more busywork to take home. I didn't really start learning until I became an adult and in college.

[@mikaaltieri7472]

@@jessiwhitt870 it was easy for me to retain. Sometimes, I'd get to make notes on a chapter other blackboard, then have copy them into my notebook. So after reading the chapter, doing the outline twice, and answering the questions at the end of the chapter, it had it. Plus my desire to get high grades caused me to meticulously keep all work chronologically filed in my notebooks for the entire school year. LOL

[@sneedwashere]

A child needs as many teachers in their life as possible. Your mom sounds like a boomer who selfishly didn’t want to join in and help their kid in their education.

[@mikaaltieri7472]

@@sneedwashere She would have been 99 this year. She was not a boomer; I am. She was a member of The Greatest Generation. I figured out my own school work on my own and any student can too. The information sticks better when a student puts in the effort to find answers by themselves.

[@ChiCityLady]

I went to kindergarten in public school. We had homework. It was usually a worksheet where you colored one of the alphabet letters or had short words in it. The teacher explained it at the end of the day before we went home. I always did it by myself. It wasn't long or hard. The point was to get students used to the responsibility of doing homework in general as a student and reinforcing whatever you learned in school that day - letters, simple words, numbers, etc.

[@mikaaltieri7472]

US parents don't stress the importance of education. When their children do poorly, they behave as if the teacher didn't do their job, instead of taking their child to task for being lazy.

[@flowerlass]

Exactly!

[@doodles4funo569]

This is SO true, especially with the newest generation, parents would rather blam the teachers than actually take responsibility for their child while they are at home.

[@juliaalexander5788]

So how many of you are parents? As a parent that has not been my experience

[@straypaper]

Now I got the context of Mr. Incredible's "math is math" meme

[@milotura6828]

Yep

[@lordsiomai]

Yeah I just realized it too. What an _incredible_ line

[@emperium108]

As a non-american who had passively heard about common core, I sort of knew it had an effect on how math was being taught, I didn't understand the why and how and this video explained it nicely.

[@r.mcrae22]

Yep! Billy Goat Gates is in the equation, now I understand why the new math is destroying their lives. Mr. Depopulation.

[@0xB0mbtree]

That was actually about “New Math.” The last time we tried this kind of thing, and it ended up the exact same way lol. The parallels are undeniable

[@carlynsykes6053]

Why can’t we just teach kids according to their skill and knowledge level instead of by their age! I’m sorry Johnny, you have to slow down, the rest of the class isn’t there yet. Ugh!!

[@eduardgherasim2896]

That remark shows you the experts that CNBC chose are a total joke.... Everywhere in the world kids are taught by age, the old system in the US was also taught by age... yet this guy thinks the problem is kids develop capability at different ages. If he was in charge he would have lowered the standards even lower, he is probably a supporter of the leftist no standardized tests. The issue is most teachers who made Common Core were WOKE leftists that turned it into a propaganda tool... look at the literature and history where everything now in school is taught from a racial and gender point of view, teaching kids to be racist little leftists with no logic from the start.

[@jinolin9062]

@@eduardgherasim2896 I mean without our school system today if we were make one ourselves it would probably more then not be a system where you are grouped by ability not seniority right?

[@sandrameesala6804]

@@eduardgherasim2896 kids do develop at different ages and speeds since cognitive develop depends on so many factors. That's just reality, and science. Those same countries are more willing to leave struggling kids behind. And those kids are either forced to adapt or be doomed to continuing the cycle of poverty. We really do need to be grouping kids by skill.

[@nathanoher4865]

@@sandrameesala6804 I was one of those people severely held back as a child by this system. Considering I finished elementary calculus before high school and used to have a lot of history memorized to details, I wonder where I would have been today if I went to a normal high school. Instead I elected to go to an international baccalaureate school which was a huge waste of time and had deleterious effects on my mental health. I wish I were as intelligent today as I was going in. I have talked to other people who also experienced the same decline due to that program.

[@isaiahwhitney3007]

@@nathanoher4865 tragic

[@juliebrown4087]

Some thoughts as a private school teacher: -Giving schools freedom to determine their own mission and goals works better. Give parents the freedom to send their kids somewhere else if they like a different school better. (Transportation/money I know, just brainstorming). -Could we have national GUIDELINES but localized control to make adjustments for their own students? Keep the end tests the same if you want. -As a teacher, if the curriculum was out of my hands I would be frustrated, and the kids wouldn't learn as well. When you rush through a topic to move on to the next one when the kids don't understand it yet because we're trying to check off the list... the kids are going to get more and more lost. If my students aren't grasping a concept sometimes I need to rewind and approach it differently, or if they catch on quick we can move faster and they get excited because the class is more intellectually stimulating. I add or skip topics sometimes depending on that group and time. I have had years where the kids lacked even basic skills like how to study or take notes, and we had to move sooo slow because they just didn't get it, and spend time on How To Be a Student. My juniors this year are so smart and I'm going to get farther with them than I have with any other group, because they're up for it. They'd be so frustrated if I didn't have the freedom to cater it to their specific needs because I'm more worried about standards. I just communicate with the next year's teacher for where we left off. It'll be roughly the same but never exact.

[@ls-kk4pq]

Common core was a disaster and we are now reaping the repercussions of this disaster. The other thing and I discovered this later in my career was that the ability to make worksheets and handouts was absolutely the worst thing you could do for students. It was like an addiction and I was part of it. I was the Genius of worksheets and handouts and packets for students. It was an amazing amount of work that I did and I thought it helped the students but it didn’t. When I went back to the simplicity of students taking notes, it’s slowed up that teaching it’s slowed up the work but they retained more. The common core teaching to the test was the precursor I believe to handing out the zillions of handouts and booklets and all this kind of stuff to help the students but it actually has the opposite effect.

[@FlashToso]

NAEP (national report card) shows top performing & most improved states use Common Core! Success depends on high quality effective curricula, training etc! Even Texas, that banned CC, found parents complain about seeing 'Common Core' stamped on their textbooks. They complain instead of asking why!!!

[@JS-pz8yp]

​@@FlashTosoyou sound like a product of Common Core

[@FlashToso]

@@JS-pz8yp You sound like you just like to argue! Ever try fact checking?

[@FlashToso]

@@JS-pz8yp The Common Core approach is used in #1 Singapore math, sesame st from 1970 & the algebra, geometry, trig, physics, calculus that I learned decades before CC. Basicaly presents problems in differennt forms to stimulate minds & produce problem solvers needed now.

[@zero-lj4no]

Student: "Will we ever use this in real life?" Teacher: "You won't but one of the smart kids probably will"

[@DisastrousCake]

The goal is for everyone to be smart kids.

[@deadsec_xz1541]

@@DisastrousCake Nope if you knew how this society worked you would know the real goal would be more workers.

[@morgangreed1969]

Yeah to me, I never had to more than basic algebra. The idea of using the quadratic equation or other more advanced topics in real life is laughable. Unless its directly related to your job, going online and asking a computer will be far faster. After all, you do have a super calculator in your pocket (smartphones)

[@azlizzie]

Pushing people to think at higher levels is how we avoid just a bunch of lame worker bees who just do what they’re told. Doing hard mathematics is part of learning how to think for yourself. “Eh. I don’t need to think this hard. Someone else can think this hard for me.” Do hard things. Most people don’t want to though; they want to be told what to do.

[@zero-lj4no]

Well capitalism started with slavery, you exploit the slaves work for profit. After slavery was illegal, capitalists sought to keep the working class poor and enslaved. We need poor worker bees in the US, someone NEEDS to be exploited for capitalism to work.

[@harukaimai8086]

Common core assumes all students have the same thought process, but the reality is that everyone processes things differently. Uniformity is fatal. As someone with ADHD, I’m so thankful my school didn’t use that much common core curriculum, because I no doubt would have failed. Let’s understand that people are varied, and it’s irresponsible to create an education system out of cookie-cutter ideals.

[@isaiahromero9861]

Same. It's so ridiculous

[@andrewb378]

I'm an engineer. I was a physics major in college, and I was really good at math before that. Part of that was helped by my math teachers (especially in high school) understanding what they were teaching and being able to explain it in different ways. Some students could hear a lecture and do exactly what was explained right off the bat. I couldn't. But if I asked *why* something was being done a particular way and got the teacher to explain it differently, I would get it. A teacher would write a formula on the board and I can plug stuff into it and get an answer, but to understand how to put formulas together to get an answer, I had to understand what they were actually doing or why I was using them in the first place. There were a few classes I took in middle school that were awful. I'm awful at history but my teacher was pretty good, we had some religion classes which were basically just history, but the worst by far was Latin. It wasn't because the language was difficult for me. I took French at the same time and aced the course. They're both romance languages. French is almost entirely built on the framework of Latin. You'd think I could get Latin if I could get French. My Latin teacher would say "This is how you conjugate a verb, do it this way." Instead, my French teacher would say "This is how you conjugate a verb, this is why, and this is what it looks like in English, do you have questions?". What I only realized later was that my Latin teacher only gave me the formula for doing verbs in Latin, while my French teacher gave me the formula *and* explained how to use it which is why it made so much more sense to me than Latin. To me, it's so much more useful to explain why something is being done rather than just to say it's done this way. I could hand you a sheet of basic physics formulas and even put on the sheet what those formulas are used for. I can let you use that formula sheet on an exam, and you still won't do well. When you're learning physics, a language, or anything, really, you can't just learn what to do. If you learn what to do, as soon as someone throws you a problem you haven't seen, you have no idea what to do. In the same way, you can't just teach what to do. If you just teach what to do, the vast majority of students will get to the next grade and not understand a word of what you just spent a year hammering into their heads when they're asked to apply it. This was my issue with common core. The common core curriculum asked teachers to teach something to students that they didn't fully understand themselves. How are they supposed to provide a useful explanation of why something is being done if they don't get it? Yes, the second graders will be able to add 155 to 203 and be able to subtract 48 from the result, but will they be able to do that next year when they're asked to apply that basic math to long division? Do they understand why they are doing what they are doing or how to apply that specific instance of addition and subtraction to another problem? If not, it doesn't matter that they can do it.

[@MrBerserkinTime]

i have ADHD as well, i got stuck with common core but managed to graduate

[@colleenjones4182]

Yes! yes! yes! As a teacher, I couldn’t agree more!!

[@Zornotfugen]

That's not how it works at all.

[@user-vw3xx1yn8k]

The most productive thing I did my senior year of high school was read Life magazines. They were kept in boxes in the economics teacher’s room. I was able to read WWII as it was happening week to week. It wasn’t some far off thing that happened. That shaped me as a person and I value it so much more then any math class I ever took.

[@yookalaylee2289]

I always resented being taught by a college graduate that accepted $35,000 a year as an acceptable salary. High school felt like the blind leading the blind to me. I graduated in 2009. The most successful and profitable people of our society are not appropriately incentivized to teach in public schools by our government. As such, teaching jobs go to the lowest bidder.

[@dknowles60]

its not that bad you only work 180 days a year a good teacher make a lot of extra money tutoring. no the main problem is the Gov is telling the parents how to raise their kids. well lets put it this Way in the old days if you acted up in School the teacher would call the Parents. lets put it this way in many cases you would have a sore butt, by the time the parents got done with the kid if a parent today give a kid a sore butt the police are Called . Also back in the Old day we had a lot of flunking and summer School,

[@cryora]

@@dknowles60 Investment banking pay people hundreds of thousands of dollars and work them to to bone. Why can't schools be like that?

[@HiDefHDMusic]

“Things were better back in the old days” ok so why did you make them worse 😂 it’s not my fault

[@nathanelder5285]

I accepted the fact that I wasn’t going to make a lot of money in my career. I’ve been doing this now for 30 years. There is a lot more to life than how much money you make in your career.

[@gamechep]

Now I understand why in The Incredibles 2 Mr. Incredible says "How can they change Maths?!"

[@seanyoung5380]

Lol same here, I was wondering what the hell he was talking about.

[@tylerphuoc2653]

That thing was some Cold War era math revolution bullcrap, trying to one-up the Soviet Union. Common Core is trying to address intuitive understanding of processes, not trying to participate in an intellectual arms race. It's just that Pixar knew that most people hadn't heard of New Math, and would just think of Common Core instead. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math

[@cobalt1754]

"Math is math. MATH IS MATH!!" - Robert Parr, aka Mr. Incredible

[@omnipayne861]

I see your a man of culture

[@jillianbailey7376]

Heard a lot of horror stories about the "new math" they tried back around the 60's-70's (not sure which decade) what I remember solidly is they implemented it so they could make smarter kids than the Soviet Union's during the cold war since there were claims that Soviets were teaching their pre-college students advanced physics and calculus. One of those great 'we're going to raise our kids smarter' attempts involved new math. Didn't go too well back then either.

[@hunterlawrence3573]

I love how the Incredibles 2 made fun of this. Bob: Why would they change math?

[@navijha122]

MATH IS MATH

[@MrThedumbbunny]

They didnt. They simply changed the approach to the problem. Common core would probably work fine in a 50 year outlook but there was no infrastructure to it especially with parents helping out which probably needs to be accounted for in planning but wasnt.

[@michaelroberts4377]

@@MrThedumbbunny no, it would not. Top down control of the education system will always fail. People are different, allow teachers to teach. It is astonishing how much money we give schools to not teach children.

[@MrThedumbbunny]

@@michaelroberts4377 Why wouldnt taking the top students techniques and adding it to the toolkit for teachers be a good idea? I don't think common core was implemented at all well but there are probably quite a few things that could help teachers in their jobs over a say 50 or 60 year timeframe. The key is multiple sources of learning from parents to teachers to peers to books that can help translate the technique to kids. Common core was implemented with 1 maybe 2 sources: book (the worst mechanism) and maybe teacher.

[@michaelroberts4377]

@@MrThedumbbunny because the experts don’t have the best techniques and they are forcing it on all teachers over very different populations. Good ideas grow up from success in small tests then implemented, meanwhile better ideas grow elsewhere and gain favor. A massive bureaucracy cannot move fast enough and if it did every teacher would be frustrated. Every president has had a national education plan and they all have failed for this reason.

[@johnyoung1761]

I never tuned into the issue. Your evaluation looks to be very well done. And the comments below are excellent throughout. Thank you.

[@ChristopherOrth]

Why does nobody in this video speak to the point that if parents universally no longer understand what their children are being taught, that said subject matter and process is GARBAGE!? I've known computer programmers and database analysts and aerospace engineers that all looked at their kids math homework and said, "WTF is this?" Fail. Hard stop.

[@abdsha777]

Instead of increasing the difficulty of the problems they should have made a system which makes even difficult problems easier to understand.

[@anissaholmes4495]

They are getting them ready to work in government. All the red tape, ridiculous rules, pointless work that could be handled more effectively, etc. 😂

[@jairoherrera4040]

American education sucks in failing to teach applicable real life scenarios for math or skills that can help so much such as financial literacy and state law.

[@user-vm5ud4xw6n]

I never could get Algebra. Pharmacists in hospital where I used to work didn’t want nurses to “do the math.” Our Pharmacists had PhD’s. They can DTM!!

[@sivartb7273]

Student: may I have a pencil? Teacher: you need to talk with Pam on the 5th floor, she will direct you where to find the elevator key. Take the Elevator key to Mr. Klei, he will hand you a triangular notebook. Take that note book and drop it in the lobby of the first floor. There will be a green pen near by, pick it up. Then head back to me, I'll direct you to your seat. Taped under the desk is a pack of sharpened pencils. Student: can I take the pencils now? Teacher: no, you need the green pen first.

[@dfct9494]

@@jairoherrera4040 I mean all of the math you learn is derived from "real world" problems, all the history you learn did really happen, the English essays do teach you how to write properly, people do speak the languages you learn somewhere in the world. Maybe broaden your view and you will be able to use more of the information taught to you at school.

[@gigispence6011]

I am a pure mathematics student with aspirations in academia. Where common core fails is that it effectively says “you got the right answer but you thought about it differently so it’s wrong” which (at least from the perspective of mathematics) is so so so backwards. One of my proudest moments in college was when my low dimensional topology professor said to me “that’s not the way I would approach the proof or even think about it but your way is incredibly cool and elegant.” Common core especially fails students who have a natural talent for math because math is inherently malleable.

[@cathyhart3946]

YES! THIS! I teach high school math in a homeschool co-op and I am constantly telling the students that there are often many ways to solve a problem. I often show them more than one way during my lecture to prove this to them. I do have them show their work on their homework and tests, but they are allowed to solve problems as they find best. I always celebrate a student when they come up with something differently than I showed them. Most of my students like my class and tell me they are enjoying math for the first time. The beauty, excitement, and FUN of math is hidden from students when they are forced in a box.

[@siquod]

It's not only backwards from the perspective of mathematics, it's also backwards from the perspective of psychology. It discourages curiosity, creativity and elegant problem solving. I once got as a university physics assignment to prove that parallel rays entering a parabolic mirror converge in a point. They expected me to prove it algebraically, but I thought using an old style purely geometric proof (A parabola is the set of all point with equal distance to a point and a line…) was way too elegant to pass by. I got no points.

[@funkywinston1854]

Love this.

[@iggles6954]

@@cathyhart3946 you sound just like my current geometry teacher, and I can assure you that I have fun in her class. Keep up the good work!

[@cathyhart3946]

@@iggles6954 So glad you're having that experience!

[@wickedbird1538]

😢😢College Algebra was simple to me but common core never made sense to me.

[@OMGiTzKraZiE]

I remember they started rolling this out right as I was about to graduate High School, I remember just being incredibly confused that Algebra 1,II and Geometry classes were going away and the new focus was on word problems

[@Brave_SJ]

The most baffling thing to me in school was that algebra, geometry, and pre-calculus were required courses but math of finance, arguably the most useful math any student could learn, was an elective.

[@cteal2018]

The American Corporate elite do not want financial literacy

[@ACDBunnie]

Dude you're literally so lucky that was an elective available to you. If they had that at my school I so would have taken it. That wasn't even a thing at my school. But AP art history was lol

[@lisacox3750]

@@cteal2018 THIS!!! I figured that out unfortunately in my 30s.

[@cteal2018]

@@lisacox3750 me too

[@nexusoflife]

@@lisacox3750 I figured it out at age 17 but hey its better to get it later than never. Some people go their whole lives without ever even thinking about this stuff.

[@l0v3n0n3]

They should not instantly use experimental school systems without collecting feedback and ACTUALLY studying them

[@Mbeluba]

Or let schools be different from each other, instead of trying to uniformise them top-down. Competition in education should exist.

[@odessav3066]

Hmmm what other things could we apply this parallel to?

[@tjampman]

It is for teaching in schools! Why would bring "studying" into that! :p

[@drewjohnson4794]

Thank Obama and leftists. They're all sickos.

[@ferretappreciator]

@@drewjohnson4794 someone's triggered lol

[@luckymuddypaw]

Seeing this made me realize how lucky I was to go to private school my entire life. It also explained why my school was considered to make better educated students, since I have a pretty big suspicion (that for math and science at least) we stuck to more traditional teaching styles. I also noticed how once I got to high school, the language arts area, despite being one of my strongest natural subjects, made less and less sense the more they had us focus on documents than on actual stories. Because documents retell events, stories are works of art depicted through language.

[@cameron00148]

Serious Question - Which side of the paper do you write your name - Left or Right? I grew up writing my name on the Right side of the paper, but I recall having to write my name on the Left side in a few college courses! :(

[@aurelie8220]

Oh, also as a teacher, for standardized testing in our state, it’s illegal for me to tell a parent that their child can opt out. I could literally lose my job and teaching license. If they ask, you can answer. But otherwise you cannot say a word about it. AND if a child opts out, their score counts as a literal 0 against your class’s average and school’s average. So you could have amazing scores, but if 3 students have parents who opt them out, you have three 0’s hurting your average. Tell me it’s only about money without actually saying it’s only about money.

[@Alpine913]

Ok, but that has nothing to do with common core. Standardized test has been around for decades.

[@jaa4742]

@@Alpine913 Yes, but not with same emphasis and consequences. EVERYTHING is measured and based on those stupid tests.

[@mal8197]

capitalism moment

[@F0rever.B0red]

Yea it's about the money and they don't even use the money of the students enough but the district leaders

[@kwiggy5091]

Wait, can you expand on this? Does this hurt our child's grades? How does this look in high school and do colleges look for these grades or purely for GPA? I'm not against my kid learning how to take standardized tests when he's older, but for elementary it feels so asinine.

[@mathisfun13]

I was a high school math teacher when the common core came in. We (the high school math teachers) looked at it and agreed "This is great, the kids will be so much better prepared when they reach us." Then we asked, "How much time and money are they going to spend on retraining the elementary teachers? After all, they are going to be teaching math in many new ways that they have never taught before, and which is not how they learned it." The answer, of course, was none. The elementary teachers were left to fend for themselves, and the results were predictable.

[@ApesAmongUs]

And, lets be honest. If you were good at math in school, you didn't end up as an elementary school teacher.

[@peterisawesomeplease]

Yea that was a huge mistake. But at least take some solace that you took the hit that will benefit all of us in the long run. Not all of common core will stay around. But the basic idea of common core math of learning multiple ways to solve things is a huge improvement in the long run. It will take decades to bear fruit and may even hurt in the short run. But its fundamentally a good idea.

[@MrSquishles]

I think that's just always been an ongoing problem in every school, I remember teachers saying "you should have already covered this" a lot to a lot of classes. Having it standardized probably helps ignoring what it was standardized too. There'd still be the problem of some of that stuff, the kids haven't touched in years before they need it again, for instance I vagually remember matrices arithmatic workbooks in second grade, I did not remember a damn thing of it the next time I needed it in highschool, and same thing predictably happened again in college.

[@gregoryferber3231]

The roll out was poorly done.

[@ajbarker8980]

I agree. I'm also a math teacher and there is a ton of good in common core math. The problem was in the implementation. Older students who had never learned common core math in earlier years were suddenly thrust into it at age 9/10/11/12 and struggled. There was no phase-in. It's no wonder that parents were frustrated with it instantly and the perceptions preceeded it for the younger kids. However, teaching younger kids, I can certainly say that it's methods (the one shown at the top of the video is not a required method, btw -- it's nowhere in the standards to do THAT exactly) have helped younger students who start their schooling with it as they come up through the years.

[@1968dirtydawg]

In HS ,I took a class called industrial arts, learning about woodworking, printing, electrical, metal, and auto mechanics, all 4 years. Today even though all I know is skilled trades, no body wants to pay above minimum wage

[@nathanpitek3177]

If you ever went to high school 2012-now, our education system is disgusting. People I wouldn’t dare trust to run a lawnmower get to graduate now. It’s disgusting

[@user-ls8ks7kv8c]

What's crazy is that they've lowered the standards so much that like half of these kids get 4.0 GPAs whereas before only the absolute brightest and hardest working kids in school got that.

[@doodles4funo569]

@@user-ls8ks7kv8c I am a high School studebt with a 3.8 GPA. The people with 4.0 GPAs don't seem the challenge themselves as much. I have taken my first AP classes in 11th grade, and before 10th grade I had a 4.0 GPA, I pushed my self to take the hardest classes available, and I believe I am better because of it. The problem is that schools are not challenging kids enough, it is important for kids to be challenged, and more importantly for them to fail and learn from failure. When all these 4.0 students go to college, they will likely struggle because the didn't learn how to deal with failure.

[@SpikoDreams]

@@user-ls8ks7kv8cWhat about students from high income areas and well funded districts? Many earn 4.0 GPAs. Is it because standards are lowered or is it because they have the resources to perform so well? What you’ve said cannot be applied to all of America’s schools

[@user-ls8ks7kv8c]

Simply compare the curricula from high income and well funded areas with curricula from a century ago and you'll notice a clear drop in standards for the most part. Even more when you compare to your Founding Fathers such as Jefferson, Adams (son of a farmer and deacon), etc. who were studying the Greek and Roman philosophers in their original Ancient Greek and Latin, which was a requirement before even getting into College @@SpikoDreams

[@songsfromtheheart37]

Government: our schools are failing, we must rewrite Everything! Teachers: ... maybe just pay us more and invest more into schools? Gov: 😂 no.

[@DW-mn6zt]

teachers are way way overpaid

[@somewing_alt9907]

@@DW-mn6zt under*

[@alx8571]

@@DW-mn6zt What do you do?

[@MISsBeauty100100]

Teachers need more time within official hours to master and plan lessons/curriculum. There are a lot of teachers that struggle with lesson planning and grading outside of the official working hours. We (am a teacher myself) burn ourselves out and burn our students out. By the end of the day, the kids are just tired and mentally exhausted.

[@DJNO4444]

Teachers unions are a detriment to American society

[@doughesson]

When parents started teaching their kids at home last year & saw first hand what the schools have been teaching, that must have been a real eye opener.

[@bluehotdog2610]

Because most parents don't seem to realize the reason why European schools outperform American schools is that European schools basically teach the same way as common core.

[@hankrearden20]

O' yeah! My son 3rd grade and couldn't even read. I dedicated myself over the course of the pandemic to getting him up to speed. All while working(essential worker). The teachers accused me of interfering. Oddly enough my son can read now. Still not grade level(he's going into 5th at the time of this posting) but a far cry from illiteracy.

[@doughesson]

@@bluehotdog2610 So, what's better than knowing how to add, subtract,do multiplication & division & understand basic grammar, sentence structure, and history?

[@TunTheOfficial]

@@hankrearden20 you're a great parent and definitely interfere if it means that you'll be helping your child with their studies like any parent should 😊🍺 least you care

[@RenaGoss]

Yeah, only those parents who were clueless about their own child's education. Unfortunately it's most

[@eddythefool]

I remember looking into the common core curriculum when it started up and honestly it looked very promising. The issue is that schools are still focusing on the college first idea that all students should go to college and instead they should focus more on relating math to their everyday so the teaching of concepts instead of practical application in the lesson plans that I saw latter on didn't help.

[@TommyTheWalker]

I went to school in Europe and let me tell you it was grueling. I hated it at the time but having gone to U.S schools I realize how superior schools were. I remember having been in this country less than a year and American students come to me for help, btw multiple choice was non existent in Europe

[@FlashToso]

Reagan reported the same in 1980s! Why do we blame every new reform rather than fix problems found decades ago???

[@peeboo7579]

“They thought standers were to low” Your saying this while I’m being served wet frozen turkey sandwiches for lunch

[@American_Imperialisst]

That's on a good day lol

[@candelariat.3051]

Don't eat the lasagna, I worked in the kitchen for a week.

[@oggaogga3485]

@@candelariat.3051 What's in the lasnaga.

[@candelariat.3051]

Its supposed to be healthy, but it has ketchup, lasagna pasta, and sandwich cheese. Nothing is refrigerated.

[@snakeeyes9246]

They clearly didn't teach you grammar either, because you were supposed to say "you're".

[@NinaBee1]

How is “college and career readiness standards” a code word for common core? We were not forced to do use common core methods in college. Most math professors told us to disregard how we were taught math in grade school, it was wrong. 🙄 🙄🙄

[@DrawciaGleam02]

WHAT?!

[@xenonsan3110]

Part of that is also because of the wildly different standards from state to state too though. Not just common core. Universities basically start at ground zero because they can't assume anything about high school standards. For instance, one of the group papers I had to write, one of my group members cited google. Yes just google the search engine

[@angelgjr1999]

Yup. My college math class was literally easier than my 8th grade algebra class. In college they just teach you how to easily solve math problems.

[@mirzaahmed6589]

And literally none of the jobs I've had ever required any knowledge of high school math.

[@MysticDivinerLJ]

Yup!

[@jordangracepatino]

No wonder math in high school got to be so difficult to understand for me. Common core for me started I believe in tenth grade for me and even my dad (he was born in 56) who was great with math and helped me every time with my math homework thought it was a lot for students to understand. I hated trying to understand common core math. It was frustrating.

[@alex_lll]

"The idea that you could dictate curriculum to a teacher [...] is simply unrealistic" - you mean like it's done in pretty much every other country?

[@clarayi1840]

Common core was implemented between my 7th and 8th year of middle school. It convinced me I was bad at math, made me absolutely despise it, and led me to feel awful. 6 years later, I go to college at UC San Diego and receive 95%+ on all my math courses without studying. And no, it’s not because the common core classes taught me well- it’s because I’m just naturally good at NORMAL MATH. I hate common core. It crushed me for 6 years.

[@yaowsers77]

i'm so sorry this happened to you. i worked at an after school program and it usually fell to me to help the kids with homework. i would do my best to show them how it's done their way, but i also showed them the old school way so they could check themselves. i explained things in terms that they'd understand and not the crazy new math. the new math really screwed up a lot of kids. then i had a supervisor when i taught 8th grade math who would yell at me when i tried to tell the kids to try it without a calculator. she really screwed over a lot of kids because placement exams for private high schools and all colleges have at least a portion that doesn't allow calculators.

[@thisisashan]

You should tell your local congressman. This is happening to a lot of youth, and I think its on purpose. We import people good at math and engineering (H1B visa), and poorly educate our own students now. The countries we import these skills from do not use common core (because its trash). TBH I feel like they are doing this on purpose to stupify our current generations.

[@mysteryblondee]

Before common core I was in 2nd grade, I could do long division in my head and was in an advanced math class! After 4th grade, I hated math and didn't score well for the rest of my years until my junior year of HS (which I put immense amounts of effort).

[@thisisashan]

@@mysteryblondee Honestly though, all of you that have issues with this should contact all of your local congressmen. If they don't hear about it, they don't do anything about it. It is nuts teachers are required to approach it this way or lose funding from the government.

[@bs2000two]

You get straight As in college math without studying? why is common core so hard???

[@creativeandaliveat65]

American children go to school to be prepared for "the economy", whereas Finnish children go to school to be prepared for participation in the society. That is a big difference. Finnish teachers are valued similarly as any top tier professionals; only the smartest and those with best aptitude can study to become a teacher. As respected professionals, they are not told how to do their work! They are in charge of implementing national standards for learning the way they see appropriate in their unique circumstances. The main objective is to support children in finding their individual strengths and what makes them happy. Co-operation and love for life long learning are emphasized.

[@kylegaines1268]

@Steve N. the US is larger than the entire land mass of Europe. So your comparing apples to oranges.

[@ktoth29]

Please explain to me why we are having a conversation in English and not Finnish?

[@creativeandaliveat65]

@@kylegaines1268 Lots of room for ignorance...

[@bumblinagirl2683]

@@ktoth29 Education for society, remember. We can't speak Finnish! Good for her and her country's educational values!👌🏼

[@brendanh8193]

@@kylegaines1268 To claim that, you have to understand (and explain) why having larger land areas changes schooling. Also, you need to explain why China is doing so well in education. And if it is not land area, but low amounts of people per area, then why is Canada and Australia slightly ahead of the US? I think that you are suggesting that USA has larger numbers of students than Finland. Now to claim this, you need to show why such a system isn't scalable. Why does it work for small numbers and not large numbers? Could you tell us?

[@kentfrederick8929]

I remember the middle school math department chair saying that New Math wasn't just about finding the right answer, but why it was the right answer. My mother rolled her eyes at that. She didn't care why 2+2=4. Her 1st Grade teacher said it was, and she had been running with that concept for 40 years.

[@MW-dh1ez]

I taught common core. What it is , is a set timeline of expectations for each week of the school year. You are given these expectations irregardless of whether or not your students can perform at that level. You are then expected to teach practice test questions each day so that students will do better on testing. Testing scores are very important. In some cases pay bonuses are based on these scores.

[@FlashToso]

You are describing ESSA (NCLB) & local teaching polcies, NOT standards like Common Core. No WONDER U.S. fails as Reagan found in 1980s!

[@seraphilight]

Another interesting note: It's never been about education or the children, it's always how we are competing.

[@BadWolfSilence]

It’s about power and control. Brainwash the populace.

[@cynthiarothrock4255]

And greed of money on how many warm bodies in the seats we can get Xtra federal funding on without really teaching anything .

[@relaxingsounds1386]

And we're competing like s__t.

[@FuchsiaRosa]

I’m curious, what the higgity heck is America trying to compete against? China or something? It doesn’t matter which country, kids are getting depressed and ending themselves and their education.

[@amber5807]

Exactly. The Obama Administration is who brought in common core. My son used to love math, get A's, until middle school and now common core has shattered his confidence.

[@kevinnorris6558]

My little cousin is 10 years younger than me, and it baffles me how much harder her homework is compared to the homework I got when I was her age. Same middle school and everything, but she gets much more homework than I did. I'm surprised more kids don't get burnout to be honest.

[@mrdemon6120]

Yeah. Growing up in the age of Common core I've had nights where I bring home homework and it takes hours for my parents to figure out what they need to do to help me do the work. They understand it by the time we are done, but they don't understand how to get to the solution because it's so much more complicated

[@zmanthepanda]

We do, we just keep it to ourselves.

[@himwiththesquaretoes9461]

@@mrdemon6120 lol parents helping

[@rienn8559]

It's not like that for everyone. The only homework I get is 20 problems per week for math class and 5-6 homework pages per week as well. At least in my experience, schools don't assign much homework.

[@triggerknight2011]

@@zmanthepanda Yeah basically this If you tell someone you're burnt out all that'll do for you Is 1. Possibly make them say that you're just being lazy, and 2. Accept that you're feeling burnt out, which makes you just *flop*

[@ksmoker27]

The solution to the problems of public education is so obvious...but no one wants to do it. Better teachers = better outcomes for students. Better pay = better teachers.

[@uruk_bye1232]

I was teaching when the common core math curriculum hit my 6th graders. Everything became a word problem overnight, and my low-achieving district had no frame of reference to get started. My kids couldn't consistently do their multiplication tables let alone solve for X. They were set up to fail from an early age, and it was never going to get better for them. It felt defeating.

[@FlashToso]

Standards like Commn Core still depend on effective training & publisher created textbooks for success! We blame CC instead of fixing same problems found in 1980s!

[@MH3GL]

This is how you ensure people stop "thinking outside the box" - aka thinking for themselves. "You do it exactly how we say or else"

[@bvegannow1936]

End mandatory school, ged and hsd requirements, age limits, minimum wage, and exsessive regulations. End public school. End gov mandated curriculums. End one size fits all education. People should be able to learn how to do a good job they want so they can afford a house and car before 18. For those parents who can't afford it, chairty (where the donar gets a full non refundable tax credit that Carry's over for an unlimited amount of years) and or the about $15,000/y spent on k thru 12 could pay for it(vouchers for private or home school or job training) and trash k thru 12 and some of that money could be used to promote more independence and healthy living. Kids shouldn't be forced to go to school. Kids should have much more choice over their education. Elon musk and many of the smartest and richest people seem to agree that the public education system sucks and that kids should pretty much be provided with opportunity to learn useful info such as job skills but allowed to choose what they r interested in at least to a larger degree. Elon musk taught himself to build rockets by reading books reportedly and elon said like u don't need college to learn stuff every thing is available basically for free . Elon said like there's no need to have a college or high school degree... Watch videos about elon musk's opinions on education if u need more convincing, If u treat kids with respect, not lesser than due to age, and don't be a hypocrite, that often builds their trust and they will be more likely to listen to u. Many kids copy you, being copied is like the highest compliment. There shouldn't be a need to force or coerce them to learn things. When u force or coerce them u r teaching them to use force and coercion to get whatever they want and the cycle of violence force and coersion often continues, it also can ruin trust making them less likely to do what u want when they can get away with it. If u can't convince them with uncoersive persuasion to learn something, whatever u want them to learn probably isn't right for them to learn at that time if at all. Doing what u want them to do and explaining why and offering to teach them how to do what u do might get them to learn that. If they know learning a certian thing will help improve their life that can help them also, such as a job skills so they can get a job and buy things. U don't Wana be forced to learn things so don't be a hypocrite. People who learn things just cuz they r forced or coerced often never use the info exsept to pass a test they r coerced to take shortly after then they often forget it soon after that, cuz they didn't have a good reason to learn it. If they r provided with good educational and job training opportunities and proper encouragement and given choice over their education, they will probably be smarter than what k thru 12 turns out. merely being smart isn't only what's important, being moral also is. If u treat them how u wouldn't want them to treat u by forcing them to learn things, u r teaching them to be immoral. They r often more likey to do as u do not what u say. Just look at how dumb the adult population is, voting in evil polticans. Many High school grads don't even know how to work a cash register and r not considered skilled labor, and u think they should be forced to learn a bunch of useless info they will just forget after the test? Many kids often Kno what's better for themself than what gov thinks is best for them. The education system needs to change for the better and this is how u do it.

[@darklazarre442]

@@bvegannow1936 why end the minimum wage? What possible reason could you have for that. There is nothing to be gained

[@Cheesewiz247]

The goal of common core is exactly the opposite, actually. It tries to break out of the simple memorization patterns that often arise in students and challenge them to think of the problem in a different way, to solve it in a way they're uncomfortable with. Common core has plenty of opportunity for students to be creative too, but it also has problems that challenge the students in case they're not trying new or unique methods by themselves. You've got to learn to problem solve in more than one way to understand it.

[@Silverlined_69]

@@Cheesewiz247 I disagree with the last part of your comment. I tried to teach my sister how to factor polynomials. She failed her test because she didnt do it the way it was taught in class. She had gotten the right answers, but because it wasn't the way taught in class, it was marked wrong

[@Cheesewiz247]

@@Silverlined_69 Common core often teaches multiple ways to do things, and tests you on each of those methods. I'm sure some problems are just poorly worded, but sometimes they specifically ask students to use a particular method discussed in class. They want to teach students to be experienced in multiple methods, not just one.

[@Marryjanesbud]

The US education system is a literal joke. I can’t even begin to explain how many wasted hours I’ve spent on a math problem where I already knew the right answer but had to go back in order too “show my work”. I actually just flat out stopped attending high school cause of it. Luckily I had a good teacher who convinced me to come back and just marathon 6 months of missed work in the last month before graduation. Only reason I agreed was cause I was aloud to just do the work the way I understood how to do it. Thanks Mrs. Carol. My teacher saved my future but the educational system itself nearly deprived me of it. The older I get the more stunned I am by that fact that The system we have in place, is legitimately hindering our youths ability too learn. It’s unacceptably Disgusting, disrespectful & so disconnected from what it means to teach/learn I can’t begin too understand why our elected officials thought it was a good idea too begin with. Disgusting.

[@BoredCapturer]

The Canadian school system has the same "sHoW yOuR wOrK" thing too.

[@SleepyInu60]

Honestly that's nice of your teacher to help

[@BoredCapturer]

@@SleepyInu60 Read the original comment

[@oddzzyy5649]

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[@BoredCapturer]

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[@user-ui9lj2dn7r]

I saw my little brother solving a 2 digit multiplication problem, he was drawing boxes and shi and taking 10 minutes on each problem. The school system keeps ruining kids🤦‍♂️

[@misspatvandriverlady7555]

My son is brilliant at math and solved the math problems he was given his own way, likely the way I showed him (I am also strong in math; he also mostly stopped asking me for homework help by late elementary school). Now his younger half-sister is in first grade; she was doing great at math until a couple months into this year, and then became utterly baffled by being taught addition and subtraction at the same time and how they were teaching the base 10 system. She now finds math “hard” and it is her least favorite part of school… 😔

[@michelledutcher3243]

When my 15 year old was getting into common core we had a meeting with the teachers to tell us about common core. One of the packets of info we got stated that vygotsky's scaffolding theory was one of the main theories used in building the common core. Me knowing that a huge part of that theory working relied on parents being part of that scaffolding support I asked when they would be doing classes for the parents to learn the common core so we can help them. I was told it was not necessary for the parents to know it... I knew right there it would be a huge failure!

[@mystickim5338]

Common core is just dumb, when my son was in third grade and I realized he couldn't do the most basic of multiplication/division without drawing a table I pulled him out of public school. It was the best decision I ever made.

[@janaj2748]

Oh we most definitely have to learn it! I have to Google the answer just to understand how the hell they come up with the question to begin with?! And my daughter is only a 4th grader!!

[@cc1k435]

I'd recommend finding the exact curriculum online if you can. If it's Eureka/Engage NY, for example, you can find the teacher's guide to read ahead. I don't have a problem with the math, but it demands COMMUNICATION when taught this way, which ironically is what they're lacking with parents.

[@janaj2748]

@@cc1k435 my problem is working 9-12 hours a day, then coming home to 3 hours of Common Core Math. I have no problems with communication. My problem is I don’t have enough hours in my day for this bs. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lookoutforchris]

Schools 100 years ago were better 😂

[@hydroviperking]

We were mocking how stupid school was in band and then our teacher took a week to just teach us about taxes and mortgages etc. we thought he was joking at first until he pulled out a calculator

[@jessyjulie5506]

Did u learn anything, or was it a waste of time?

[@akari707bangtan]

@@jessyjulie5506 Ofc they learned smth. Its taxes and mortgages ffs. Every adult has to do them

[@jessyjulie5506]

@@akari707bangtan yea, but it was only a week, so they might have forgot.

[@phugindomas]

@@jessyjulie5506 you never forget being taught taxes and mortgage if you pay attention. It's too emphasized and important.

[@gregoryschreiter8505]

Sounds like an important lesson, good on the teacher

[@kahbronne7834]

America as a whole, needs reformation direly

[@bjung8858]

When Common Core started, we told our daughter that she had to learn "both" Common Core and "Old School Math" because "Old School Math" is what put us on the moon.

[@RachelScalfani]

“How would you solve this equation?” Proceeds to pull out phone.

[@ronndapagan]

The calculator was a godsent!!!

[@tristanzaleski4583]

In high school, when I was taking Calc AB (a highschool precursor to Calc I in college) and my teacher did not allow calculators for the first several months. One of his famous quotes was always, "USE YOUR HEAD" quickly followed by angry grumbling about "These kids can't even do MATH!..". He attacked mathematics with a level of vicious sarcasm that somehow not only motivated students to prove his constant jeers wrong, but all while also breaking down EVERY step and trick in the play book of any problem BY HAND. Learned more math in those classes with him than any year previous combined.

[@SwampThing585]

“You may have gotten the answer correct, but you did standard multiplication and we’re learning the box method. -Common Core in my 4th Grade math class

[@Cheesewiz247]

Sometimes the answer isn't all that matters. If you're doing a long math problem, students often make small mistakes which give them the wrong answer in the end. A good teacher will look at your process and give you partial credit for the work , if you follow the right process. In every class I've taken in the last 5 years, the work has been most important part.

[@MollyHuffle]

Oh my gosh I hatedddd the box method!!! Never used it again!

[@SwampThing585]

@@MollyHuffle Yeah it takes 7 years to get through 2 x 4 with it.

[@theEVILonionRAT]

This happened to me in 4th

[@SwampThing585]

@@theEVILonionRAT R.I.P. us all.

[@wreckim]

As an educator, I can tell you that the state test is one of the biggest culprits in all this in California in K-8th (that's what I teach). The test is arduous, confusing, and scary even. Example; normally, you'd ask a student to add 3 wholes with 3/7, plus 4 wholes with 5/7. But the CAASPP will instead give 4 choices that show a student made a mistake, and you have to find his mistake. And you are not looking at a normal math problem for fractions, there will be tons of vocabulary explaining the reasoning of the student that made the mistake, and you have to reason through all of this, and find the right answer. Yes, students can do this, but it's way beyond adding fractions now. The tension is felt by everyone, staff and students. So, what you have is a math test in 4th grade that starts out, not with normal math problems or questions, but with a confusing fractions question that is even difficult to put into a fractions without knowing how to manipulate the computer that you're working on. A student that knows her math facts, knows how to divide, and read normal word problems, can score low on the test without proper preparation for it. Which means hours and hours of meaningless teaching on the quirks of the test, and those quirks can vary from year to year. There is no benefit to any of this long term. But it is published, and a California Distinguished School seal of approval only goes to the schools that score well on these tests. Which is going to be very difficult for any school that has significant students that are English Learners. That's another topic altogether.

[@SpaceRain]

Common Core and No Child Left Behind are some of the worst things to ever happen to the US school system

[@kimyona9746]

Meant well but didn't go well

[@Timblobimblo]

the US school system is the worst thing to ever happen to the US school system

[@patrickkelly7138]

Worse than segregated schools, forced assimilation of immigrants, and before IDEA? Common Core is a guide for standardization on skilled based instruction. What should students know by their grade level.

[@Abyss-Watcher]

@@patrickkelly7138 did you go to school when common core was introduced? No, not likely because you wouldn't be saying this i showed my parents my math homework was completely foreign.

[@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass]

Yes, yes, and Yes.

[@nocontentjustads3878]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one having trouble helping younger siblings with homework. I’ve done calculus in high school and it was confusing.

[@YeikyRivera]

At the time I was a college student, I also helped my siblings who were in elementary school. The common Core added nauseating steps - that elongated the task at hand without actually emphasizing the actual thing to be learned. It just taught students to take longer to solve something very simple.

[@donnawatkins8404]

@@YeikyRivera I remember when I saw my boys math workbook and knowing the answer to the problem but having no idea what I was looking at, what do they want here!? Told them do their best and I won't be mad if they don't get it. Showed them my way and told them to just put the answers down that way.

[@YeikyRivera]

@@donnawatkins8404I am glad you taught your boys better. Hopefully, they were not penalized for it.

[@heatherskrzypiec2682]

I took precalc in high school and got a C. Took calculus in college and got an A. Sometimes it's the teacher

[@nocontentjustads3878]

@@heatherskrzypiec2682 i meant to say that despite taking calculus in high school, i struggled to understand the new methods my younger siblings were being taught in the 4-6 grade. I didn’t struggle completing my calculus course.

[@mikemoss6045]

Last school year my daughter had zero homework.. it was all done online. Then the teacher messages me "can you have your daughter work on her math so she doesn't fall behind?" You mean homework? "No we don't really assign homework." .... yes she will get her homework done.

[@Wilfoe]

Come to think of it, I don't remember my elementary school ever going over a technique to subtract large numbers. I paused the video at the beginning to do it in my head and got 189. Let's see if I was right. Edit: OK, watched the video. I'm glad I graduated high school before this was implemented. This seems to be a classic example of people working harder when they should have been working smarter. If we want our students to catch up to other countries' students, why not look at what comparable countries are doing and copy them? That bit at the end..."The standard is what we need to survive and thrive..." While I do strongly support education and I acknowledge the importance of the subjects taught in school, I think relying on some sort of standard is a flawed system and is not at all necessary to thrive. The statement that the standard is what we need assumes that it's a good standard. I argue that what we need to survive and thrive is to work towards each person's strengths. That's how jobs work and that's how societies work. Subjects such as math are important, and some aspects of math such as algebra are used regularly, but how often does the average person use trigonometry in their day to day life? Don't get me wrong, I loved learning it, but I never used it outside of math class. I think we need to focus less on "OK, this is a smart subject" and more on "This is a subject that citizens use in their day to day lives". Many people would benefit greatly from finance classes, for example. Classes about how to be safe online, classes about welfare and other social safety nets, critical thinking classes, etc. These are much more practical than calculus.

[@Nstone53]

I threw a fit when I saw one of my daughters 2nd grade math questions. They turned a problem that would take 2min to do into a string of problems that took 5min. I was angry, my daughter was crying, my husband who was did championships was angry. Covid pushed us to homeschool and she scored 95% on her cat6 test. WAY better than she ever did in school. People naturally want to learn. Something is terribly wrong when you turn learning into a punishment.

[@deitachan7878]

Totally agree. People, especially children are naturally very curious and seek to understand the world around them. Learning is fun and your brain rewards you for it, but when your getting punished for trying to understand the work because you didn't get it immediately, it's not fun.

[@MaiDay01]

That how tests are everywhere outside the us. Critical thinking using core maths concepts to solve other equations. You can’t just do calculator work. If you truly understand the concept as she should have she would have been able to apply it to anything if she used the information the question presented.

[@nucleardog6675]

@@MaiDay01 I think the problem is everyone is different and not everyone will understand the reason. It is easier to muscle memory for the tests though.

[@MaiDay01]

@@nucleardog6675 that’s not a valid excuse anywhere. ‘Not everyone will understand the reason’ . You need to know the reason you are doing things. I can’t say as a student nurse that I don’t know why I’m putting on a dressing for a a leg ulcer, or that I don’t know how to get the volume for IV drugs , because of muscle memory. The education systems foundation should be making you understand first then apply.

[@reepicheepsfriend]

You’re thinking of an adult. Kids don’t necessarily have the same critical thinking skills. Before around age 12 their brains are optimized for memorization. That’s when it’s ideal for them to learn things like times tables, etc. Stop asking kids to be adults before they’re able to.