Why Knott’s Berry Farm’s New Giga Roller Coaster May Not Happen

[@mclovin7440]

Yeah, all this logic and reason is cool and all, but wouldn't the brakes of the rides block zones cause more noise that the coaster traveling? Maybe the ride should cut down its block zone count. For those who are unfamiliar, a block-

[@ElToroRyan]

LMAO

[@ydinoh]

That's hilarious...

[@No2hISwear]

The man the myth the McLovin

[@sdaniel9129]

Hahaha!

[@bixinho787]

@@ElToroRyan I forgot what a block zone is, can you explain ?

[@treypostlethwait9911]

Love how people move next to an amusement park and then complain about the noise. Same thing happened in Charlotte where people moved next to a drag strip and complained that the drag strip was too loud.

[@Jadentheman]

NIMBYs usually win in the end. Especially in California

[@Onoitsbroko]

I live next to SFMM and they are building a new housing project LITERALLY right behind it. Just feet away from Apocalypse and West Coast Racers. The complaints are going to be lovely. 😒

[@Koasterking212]

Same thing here with Kings Island. Like you moved next to an amusement park. It’s not a library, what did you expect?

[@treypostlethwait9911]

@@Onoitsbroko Yea those people should have to give up their right to complain about noise.

[@CommonRiderFilm]

@@Onoitsbroko nooooooo those new homes are gonna make them get rid of riddler's revenge

[@Danrarbc]

If you live in Buena Park and want this to happen make sure you attend the public meetings where this matter is discussed. Voice your support. If the only people the city hears from are opposed to it that's going to weigh heavily.

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

The money (Cedar Fair) isn't opposed to it

[@firebirdlover4460]

These things don't go to public hearing unless the planning commission denies permits. City councils don't usually get involved in permitting. The exception being if residents get wind of it and force a hearing.

[@ryanthemepark]

Buena Park has never denied Knotts when they have approached the city for permits. There was opposition to GhostRider, Supreme Scream, Xcelerator (a very loud coaster near homes), Vertigo, and WIndSeeker... all were approved. If Cedar Fair moves forward with this, it will get approved. I'm sure Knotts will be the good neighbor and fill the track and supports with sand just like they did for Silver Bullet.

[@wildearth3992]

@@ryanthemepark it’s not enough. It’s a 100m coaster the screaming gonna be hear everywhere around this area. Even silver star with the noise barrier is still producing noise pollution to Rust which is 1km away. The sound of peoples screaming during the first drop can’t be stop, it’s circulating all around

[@JBMetalProductions]

only old people go to those meetings... we're definitely fucked.

[@ryanthemepark]

Buena Park has never denied Knotts when they have approached the city for permits. There was opposition to GhostRider, Supreme Scream, Xcelerator (a very loud coaster near homes), Vertigo, and WIndSeeker... all were approved. If Cedar Fair moves forward with this, it will get approved. I'm sure Knotts will be the good neighbor and fill the track and supports with sand just like they did for Silver Bullet. Also, since a large portion of parking lot around the coaster will be ripped up, I'm sure Knotts will build a sound wall or plant trees to further dampen sound.

[@BungieStudios]

Right?

[@PinkyThumb]

This is a whole different ballgame. This will be much louder and much closer to residents and businesses than the ones you listed. This coaster would be like having a jet fly by your house every 2 minutes, all year round. I’m still hoping they tell residents to get bend and build it anyway.

[@wildearth3992]

@@PinkyThumb it will never get build because it will devaluate the value of house around it because of too heavy noise pollution

[@Brycel307]

@@wildearth3992 I'm pretty sure the reason the homes around there are so expensive is because of the park..

[@amandarose4938]

@@PinkyThumb can’t be any louder than beach blvd during peak traffic hours and summer beach days 💀

[@lohphat]

I grew up within walking distance of Knott's in the early 70s. Notice how much of the parking is STILL unpaved grass as it was a FARM once upon a time. But so much around has disappeared. The old duck pond, the model T cars at the corner of Crescent and Beach, the electric cable cars in the parking lot (removed to make room for Camp Snoopy), the Alligator farm across La Palma, the Haunted Shack, the original pan for gold location...

[@Elo2Cali]

Hey hey hey! We don’t need this type of negativity to start the year 😂

[@cookieplz93]

😂🤣😂🤣

[@northunited280]

true true true!

[@Jalmaan]

Even though the noise of screaming riders can be annoying, it requires way less noise dampening as voices are in the mids. The roar of a rollercoaster are bassheavy and subbass heavy which is causing alot more noisecomplaints. You'd only have to plant a few trees next to the coaster to reduce screaming noise. In fact if you are sitting behind a wall (in your house) the noise of screaming is already reduced drastically as Mids really dont have that much energy compared to lows.

[@xeno_mania]

Yeah, and if the ride does have a lot of roar, they could fill the supports with sand like they have previously.

[@xeno_mania]

Whoops, he went into this lol

[@MichaelRei99]

They would have to plant Redwoods to stop the screaming noise and it would only take a few hundred years for them to get to height.

[@scottyjbd]

🍻

[@ghoulannabanana]

Fellow musician gang?

[@LoveStallion]

I'm surprised there was no mention of the scream guards in place at California Adventure. The Disneyland resort is also famously boxed in by suburban sprawl. While Disneyland itself benefits from its berm and abutting mostly other Disney stuff, save some hotels across Harbor Blvd (but the part of the park next to Harbor is comparatively quiet - just the Autopia and Monorail), California Adventure gets closer to the mix of Anaheim, and the southwest corner is right near some small hotels and neighborhoods. The now-named Incredicoaster has large tubes around major drops specifically to mute sound. When the Maliboomer, an S&S space shot, was still in place, all seats had plastic screens in front of them to muffle the screams of riders. Anyway, you definitely bring up good points, and unlike Disney, Knott's has neighborhoods in close proximity on many sides.

[@cabbie4788]

This would be a great idea to mitigate a good chunk of sound from guests and I would be interested in what Knotts would propose to mitigate the primary track noise. Noise pollution is a real killer that not a lot of people take seriously but will need to be considered for this project.

[@amandarose4938]

thank you!!! finally someone knows their history of coaster noise reduction lol

[@terribleterrier1685]

I love these more technical videos. Definitely look forward to more.

[@mcfly824]

Since all of the former car park is condensed in the new multi-storey. It could be feasible to move the south side sections further up & away from the road, then plant trees in the vacant areas to dampen the sound without creating an eyesore. Though it wouldn't help with the first turnaround.

[@mr.intamin1081]

I personally LOVE the sound. I don’t want them to lose that. Standing at canadas wonderlands front gate and hearing leviathan fly by sounding like a jet! It’s amazing

[@Bnizzofashizzo]

I can see you didn’t even bother thinking about the residents … which was the point 😐

[@katrinakardashian7307]

I love coaster sounds too 😍 it kinda brings them to life for me ! Makes it more than just a bunch of metal uilt by humans for me . And I need that cuz alone of huma s are trash! Not us we ride roller coasters were cool lol

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

@@Bnizzofashizzo make a thoosie neighborhood

[@quony1]

@@Bnizzofashizzo well they are near an amusement park. What do you expect?

[@quony1]

@@katrinakardashian7307 same

[@nicolebledsoe2644]

been hoping for this coaster for YEARS!!! being in socal i told myself i’d quit my job to go work the coaster if it actually opens!!

[@jordonfreeman166]

If I was Knotts, I’d fill the rails, the box spine, and supports with sand, to make it as quiet as possible, and add in noise barriers to reduce the loudness of people screaming. I’d also make the barriers made of plexiglass or some other clear material so that you could see the coaster from the road.

[@LeJeanZone]

Perfect solution!!

[@leoshaw823]

B&M has gotta make those supports and footers really strong because filling everything with sand would make the coaster itself insanely heavy.

[@CoastersRUs-us]

It massively increases the price though and could put the coaster over budget

[@619Fishing]

Pexi glass would absolutely get bombarded with bird shit daily and would make the ride not look as nice, not too mention the price

[@ThoosieJP]

You also have to remember Earth Quakes

[@tannerd37]

This challenge could possibly cause new innovations for coaster quietness, which could lead to better business for b&m and other parks wanting quieter coasters.

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

No matter how much you quiet the ride, you can't silence the screams

[@joekaput747]

@@b-chroniumproductions3177 If your coaster is insane enough, everyone will be permanently quiet... Of course, it'd never get approved

[@amandarose4938]

@@b-chroniumproductions3177 scream shields exist pal… check out the extinct maliboomer attraction from disneyland’s california adventure.

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

@@amandarose4938 Those shields were part of why maliboomer failed, I can only imagine they'd be even worse on a B&M giga...

[@SeddieWeddie]

As someone that went to college and stayed next to an amusement park, the noise isn’t anything different from living near a highway.

[@tahjo7]

Exactly.

[@quony1]

Right, people just like to complain about everything.

[@dindog22]

Incredicoaster has those partial tubes in places that are supposed to keep the sound of the screams inside the park. I think it works

[@bobthathead3]

If the noise is an issue then would maybe a giant wall like they had around Jurassic Park and Dueling Dragons in Islands of Adventure help? I worked there and the employee back lot was right behind those walls, and it helped sound a lot.

[@visionist7]

Usual question: Ice or Fire

[@jcspotter7322]

I doubt they could and would build a 150+ ft tall wall

[@mrsamiam3290]

i love the rumble but it makes sense for places nearby, i love how it makes you scared before getting on

[@Xtreme16420]

Congrats on 90k subscribers! Only 10k more to go

[@FunkAndFluff]

This is likely the most informative speculation video I've ever watched. Here's to future learning!

[@jordanenriquez2138]

This trips me out hearing you talk about the streets i grew up on 😂 literally grew up right on western hearing the screams from knotts on a daily basis! As hyped as i was when I initially learned this coaster could be a possibility, when you break it down like this i dont see my hometown of buena park approving it :(

[@MatecaCorp]

I feel like that first turnaround would be the main point of contention, as it’s right up against the housing. I’d say they would have a better chance keeping it as far from the houses as possible. If the concept leaked is both real and the final edition for the proposal, I can’t fathom why they would so deliberately put the coaster as close to the city as possible. Also, anyone who deliberately moves in next to a theme or amusement park and then complains about it is a fool.

[@wooddoors1193]

If this happens, they will probably have the turnaround go through some sort of structure just like on Pony Express that is also right next to said houses. Also, you can't forget about Xcelerator, which is just as close to the housing on La Palma and it has no sound shielding.

[@dylansilverman4516]

I feel like at this point if you live in LA you have to adjust to the noise. Like if you are a newcomer to LA and you complain about the noise kinda absurd and should be expected.

[@raramcgee4982]

That and the old people home. One council members friends parents in there and the thing will never get passed.

[@James_Michael]

The train has been there since the 60s and you could easily hear it from out side the park. Anyone that moves around there knows what they are going to get

[@wildearth3992]

@@James_Michael well nobody signed for a 100m coasters 10m away from your house

[@Metal_Groove45]

Whether it happens or not, the West Coast needs a taller coaster than Goliath at Magic Mountain, it's been 2 decades!

[@william_coasters]

We have it, it's Superman Escape from Krypton, 415 feet tall

[@katrinakardashian7307]

@@william_coasters definitely doesn't count ! Nice try tho lol

[@william_coasters]

@@katrinakardashian7307 I know, it was just for the height and speed record.

[@BrianPinsky]

Hey @ElToroRyan, in the video footage of Silver Bullet that humming sound in the background is the lift hill motor for that coaster still running. Bringing up an excellent point that the lift hill is louder than the running trains.

[@pecemakor917]

I really want this to happen. Knotts is my home park, and in terms of coaster lineup, Knotts could do better.

[@rexrabbiteer]

Knotts doesn’t have the space and they aren’t six flags jr. I rather they focus on more dark rides

[@pecemakor917]

@@rexrabbiteer Fair enough, but it doesn't need 5 FREAKING KID COASTERS!

[@master21th92]

@@pecemakor917 magic has like 7 kids ride

[@pecemakor917]

@@master21th92 Yeah, but it has 13 thrill coasters. Knotts only has 5 thrill coasters

[@Forgebook]

Don't move next to an amusement park if u cry about noise or traffic. Plain and simple. Kinda how in Pomona like 10 years ago people complained about noise from the dragstrip that's been there over 50 years and now its open 2 weekends a year. 1st world problems always ruin first world privileges.

[@rexrabbiteer]

Lol Pomona is so ghetto, didn’t think people would give a shit there given all the shootings you can hear day and night

[@AmusementLabs]

11:52 ngl, you got me rolling for that one... Yeah, we're FUUUUUCKED

[@bassjasinski]

Cedar Fair should be buying up residential housing around the park for intern housing

[@tc6818]

That's what shell companies are for. In the Wisconsin Dells, Mt. Olympus quietly bought up many of the small motels in the area.

[@wooddoors1193]

California real estate is way too expensive. Believe it or not, every one of those modest houses nearby cost the better part of a million bucks.

[@marcustulliuscicero5443]

One comment at the Tokyo Dome City argument, all those multi-story city buildings located right alongside busy roads most likely have noise reducing measures themselves. I do not expect houses in American suburbia to be shielded against noise.

[@wildearth3992]

Exactly ! He’s comparing two different countries with two different legal system

[@3rdshiftcm]

My first thoughts about this addition were “what about the noise”, but the more you look at the design and the 2 layout examples, I believe the noise issue is definitely being factored into the rides design. When you compare the two layout proposals you can see that the biggest changes with the newer layout moves the drop further into the middle of the property, adds the tunnel at the bottom of the drop and removes the “spaghetti” section from the corner of Western and Crescent. Factoring in that the turn after the drop and the turn around on Crescent and Beach being heavily banked and the many low to the ground elements have me believing they are doing their best to get the ride approved. Just as a note for the folks not familiar with the area, Crescent Ave and Beach Blvd are busy streets so noise isn’t as much as an issues, Western Ave however is not, hence the scream tunnel added to Pony Express, so moving the main body of the ride further away from that area is very telling. I mean I think the placement of the new parking structure is telling as well, it doesn’t appear in the first proposal at all, but with the ride being moved closer to the hotel it’s probably considered a noise buffer also. Also, has anyone considered who, how and why these plans were “leaked”, if the park wanted to apply some pressure or suddenly have some major proof of interest to show the city, could there possibly be a better way to do it? I mean why show the original layout unless there’s a message trying to be made about the changes made to the final submission? Lastly, I do believe the effects of the pandemic will push the city to approve the ride as well, because “tax dollars” and $$$ this type of addition will bring to the area economy will be to hard to pass on. I have faith in Knott’s current leadership, they have shown an amazing understanding of their place in SoCal market and pride in the parks history, they have been doing their best to fix some of the mistakes that were made in the early years of the Cedar Fair purchase, like the terrible public park/beach style restrooms and bland soulless additions, Knott’s has truly come into its own.

[@thespedwards]

Dampening the coaster is just going to make the ride wet. However, damping might be a good option for noise reduction. 😉

[@ElToroRyan]

🤣🤣 English really isn’t my strong suit

[@JasmineDreams]

I thought Leviathan got some of its rails/posts filled with sand after installation, when they started getting sound complaints? I always feel like I can hear the sand in it because it was done post-manufacturing, so there's more space for it to rattle around in there lol. I still think it's possible for Knotts depending on their negotiations with the city. It's also possible that they could get creative with the way they build parking garages and/or also build a wall-like structure around the ride (sort of what they do alongside major US highways) to block the sound. The park is going to have to expand into that parking lot someday, so it's an issue they'll have to address eventually. Why not for a badass giga? lol ... you literally said pretty much all of these things after i typed them, but I'm gonna leave my comment anyways for engagement. You're welcome lol.

[@pittsburghthrills1281]

The supports don’t have sand. Originally, the track didn’t either. After noise complaints, they tried to fix the issue by adding sand to the box, but they couldn’t add it to the rails without risking severe damage to them.

[@wooddoors1193]

Every single one of the homeowners and business owners around Knotts knew that there would be a loud amusement park right next door before they purchased their properties, so they have no place to complain. Hopefully the city council takes that into account since this park DESPERATELY needs another high-capacity coaster, especially with how much busier it has been this year. Anyways, you can already hear the existing rollercoasters from a couple blocks away as it is.

[@rexrabbiteer]

It doesn’t need more coasters, that didn’t help knotts in 2000-2013 when it did nothing but big thrill rides. Knotts has done better with family rides, the family’s started coming back, why fuck with that? If you want coasters go to six flags or just enjoy what knotts, an admittedly small theme park has. Knotts simply for not have the room for more coasters, too loud and an eye sore for the surrounding neighborhood and businesses. There are apartments right across the street from the knotts hotel side. Don’t believe me? Drive around knotts sometime

[@wooddoors1193]

@@rexrabbiteer Knott's did not have even close to the attendance back then that it has now, so that's comparing apples and oranges. Today, people sometimes have to wait 3 plus hours to get on the most popular rides, most of which are rollercoasters that were installed by Cedar Fair. So, they obviously need another large attraction to soak up some of that. Also, I live in Orange County and have a season pass... so, it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about (as you insinuated). There is housing right next to Xcelerator and no-one complains about that. Lastly, if you are going to bring up Ghostrider's scream shield; that was added because the hotel guests were complaining, not the nearby residents... and the hotel is supposed to be completely renovated along with these plans.

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

@@rexrabbiteer family's should learn to enjoy Gigas then

[@wildearth3992]

@@wooddoors1193 well they did not signed up of a 100m coaster. Also noise pollution is very dangerous for health in the long term especially mental health. It’s not something to take lightly

[@cabbie4788]

@@wildearth3992 I agree with you. I keep seeing people making the argument that "well they bought the house there" but people aren't taking into account that people bought houses next to relatively quiet parking lots and not 300ft tall rollercoasters. Many residents in the area have probably owned their homes there since before pony express and other rides. Noise pollution is a serious issue and I think a lot of commenters would think differently if they had to live there every day.

[@maxhagenauer24]

It won't happen cause the brake run won't be as long as the other gigas which makes Ryan mad.

[@OnTheMapWithZack]

Love all of the "noise complaints". Imagine sleeping all day when the sun is up and many outside noises are going on. Most people could not, but us 3rd shifters can!

[@EmeraldBayMovies]

The main reason it may not happen is because nothing is confirmed at this point. So many roller coaster plans have been leaked over the years but never came to fruition. CGA can't even get a hyper after decades of trying, so why would we expect Knotts to get a ride twice that size? I'm not saying it won't happen, but I don't really expect it to.

[@ky3ma439]

Cga is second class knotts stays winning

[@joekaput747]

@@ky3ma439 A hyper could fix a lot, but there's a massive airport nearby that kind of puts huge projects like this in precarious limbo forever

[@GavHern]

i think they should revise the layout to add a helix over the nursing home

[@martindipshit8673]

AHAHAHAHAHA

[@LeJeanZone]

I believe it could happen still. If they are restricted to build near Crescent Ave and Western Ave because of the local buildings and residences, then they can always reroute to coaster to travel by GhostRider and use the Grand Ave parking lot.

[@tc6818]

I wonder if there is other media (besides sand) that could be economically installed at the factory to reduce the track noise even more.

[@motorwayt-s628]

Would foam work? You always see foam pads on recording studio walls to dampen sound

[@floffycatto6475]

Could they maybe absorb some of the noise by having a fence lined with thick plants/vines? I imagine it would be cheaper than cinderblock and also prettier. Like, I used to have friends who lived right across the street from Knott's, and you could easily both see and hear Supreme Scream as well as what coasters are also on that side.

[@cabbie4788]

The major issue is still going to be the vibration noise even with a fence. The low wavelengths of these vibrations are much harder to mitigate than higher frequency noises like screams.

[@derekwtang]

I really hope it comes to fruition. I mean if they’re complaining about noise they live next to a amusement park so I would think noise should be expected. If I lived there I wouldn’t mind

[@roxynano]

Not only that but you are in an urban city too. Noise is expected and there’s always traffic car honking and mechanical sounds going all around town.

[@hanyo1o132]

one thing they may do to help with noise is near the residential area, have the valleys go into tunnels like they are with the first drop.

[@Nicklmeyer]

As for quieting the chain dogs/ard, Orion at KI uses magnets to hold them up to keep them quiet, so that is an option. Add in the fact that it’s filled with sand and the only sounds Orion makes are screams and the clack of wheels during airtime.

[@joekaput747]

Since Orion is the most recent giga I can imagine B&M are going to try a lot of the same tricks, and maybe a couple new ones

[@AmusementLabs]

Yeah, sorry girls and boysenberries, the NIMBYs are gonna take this one. Unless B&M manages to design a track spine that doesn't roar to high hell, no dice.

[@David.Harris]

I think filling the rails with sand is a good start. I am wondering if expanded foam would work for the box beam. Much cheaper than sand per square foot. It may also be better at absorbing sound. Running gear is also another issue.

[@cabbie4788]

Expanded foam could potentially pose an issue if it starts to degrade over time from the vibration its meant to absorb.

[@horseshoe_nc]

What was there first, the urban sprawl or the park? If the park was there first, people who decided to move nextdoor, should have known what to expect. Same goes for people who decided to move nextdoor to an established racetrack, railroad or railroad yard. Some may call my stance dispassionate, but I think it is logical. It is a different story if the homes were there first. Then it is up to the park to abide by the concerns of the neighborhood. Part of being a good neighbor is knowing what you are getting yourself into and respecting what is already there.

[@cabbie4788]

The houses around knotts (and specifically in the areas most impacted by the potential new ride) have existed since well before the first ride (timber mountain log ride) even opened.

[@mariofrias2227]

I grew up in Buena Park where Knotts is located. The tract homes were there first. Knotts started as a Chicken Dinner restaurant. As the restaurant grew in popularity, Walter Knott had Ghost Town added to give diners something to do while they waited for their table. Eventually rides were slowly added and Knotts became a theme park with the majority of the park bordering non residential areas. With the sale of the park to Cedar Fair, the park has grown significantly. Cedar Fair is able to invest in the park in a manner the Knott family never could. The park is now significantly land locked. For the GIGA to work, the plans in this video are really the only option. Knotts would have to definitely dampen the sound of the coaster or they could find themselves privy to lawsuits from homeowners looking to receive lost property values due to the noise.

[@BigJerm47]

Great video, ETR! the loudest coaster that stands out in my mind is kumba @Busch gardens Tampa.

[@pproteinc]

Fury’s supports at the front entrance area are filled with sad. Secondly, maybe build a noise wall along the perimeter of that side of the park? Maybe? Like on interstates.

[@alantrotter2077]

Here is my two cents. If you purchase a home by an amusement park you should know what you are getting yourself in for. It is sort of like purchasing a home along a golf course. If you are by the tee box you should be fine, but if your home is by the fairway or green maybe not. I think Knott's and B&M could do something with the noise and hopefully this gets built.

[@chrissorto4636]

I agree, what you said makes sense but ultimately the city almost always sides with the residents. I remember my local golf course was closed after a new neighborhood was built next to it and they complained about the noise. It’s frustrating

[@scottyjbd]

I think Riddlers Revenge at SFMM is the loudest B&M of all time. I was just there and when I exited the ride, I almost had to cover my ears. Holy cow was it loud!!!

[@byronpatrick2147]

In 2020, Japanese officials encouraged theme park guests to “Scream within their hearts” in order to reduce spreading covid. With more at stake than ever (a giga in Cali), Cedar Fair must convince Buena Park that we are bringing this practice stateside.

[@mhtube01]

B&M would have to do what was done to Talon at Dorney Park. As loud as many of their coasters are, Talon is probably the quietest roller coaster I've ever heard.

[@andrewneber1767]

I Could be wrong, but i think Talon was one of the Frist B&M's Filled with Sand. I don't know how much or where they put the sand though

[@mhtube01]

@@andrewneber1767 It was. I remember reading somewhere that B&M did it from the factory because Dorney Park had strict noise regulations to adhere to.

[@rosspro6466]

@ElToroRyan couldn't we just ask "Psychic Readings By Rachel" off Crescent Ave to get the answer to our question whether this ride is going to happen or not? LOL! Furthermore, I volunteer Deez Nutz to muffle the sound for all those sweet neighborhood citizens.

[@magiccoasters7674]

Could they fill the running rails, box beams, and supports with sand or would that be too heavy?

[@coastingthrills7297]

Congrats on the 90k mang!

[@coasterking4980]

They’re gonna do what Disneyland did with Maliboomer and put scream shields in front of each rider.

[@adamdurbin6895]

IvadR at Busch gardens Williamsburg also has a covered first drop only to mitigate the noise heard in the nearby neighborhood of Kings Mill

[@amusementnow4416]

The tunnel on Pony Express was installed because of noise concerns, so yes, I could see this being an issue!

[@crittah74]

I know this would be far too expensive and the plans don't reveal this, but perhaps they could build trenches like at Phantasialand and Alton Towers for the low to the ground moments?

[@CoastersRUs-us]

Good video - noise control was one of two main factors that killed Megabite, the B&M hyper at California’s Great America.

[@ilikecheesegirlXP]

Well, if I ever want to move to the Buena Park area. I'm sure those houses market value is not as high as others. Sound of roller coasters is music to my ears

[@HiCaballo]

I’ll never understand complaining over theme park noise when most of these parks have been there for decades. Maybe consider that before moving?

[@ethanhcomposer]

If any of you go to the comments to type something about how it will happen, the title says it MAY NOT happen. MAY. It means that there is a possibility that it will not be built, and it is not 100%. It might get rejected, but I have hope for Knott's Berry Farm to figure something out, even with all of the issues in their way.

[@jetsons101]

I started praying with the first video........ This would be a great complement to Ghostrider....

[@kbfbest]

When the Steam Locomotives whistle at knotts can be heard a few miles away. the only homes owners that have any right to complain over the sound the park makes are the ones that have owned there homes since it was a farm.

[@jonny-b4954]

You can actually make out the engineering firms logo at bottom of survey plans. They're scribbled out but can still make them out if look hard. They could also build a wall along property to deflect/dampen some sound. Gotta love riders screaming haha. I've truly never understood that or being scared of a roller coaster (short of like, fear of heights.) I think it's totally a taught behavior. Monkey see, monkey do sort of thing.

[@visionist7]

It's mostly girls that scream. I stay mostly silent bar a holler or cheer occasionally

[@jonny-b4954]

@@visionist7 Yeah, mostly. I laugh with the occasional hollar and cheer as well. But that incessant screaming... phew

[@maxmcmullen1539]

What if they blasted the inside of the track with foam insulation? Sand just seems real heavy, but I'm not an engineer. They could also put some sort of plexi-glass shield for the drop, or even tunnel the entire drop, that would be sick.

[@shaodynasty1017]

I assumed it wasn't gonna happen from the get go. This and six flags quidiyya, coming soon in Summer 2035! Lol

[@seancurrier6711]

You forgot to add the cost to make it earthquake proof. Orion didn't happen at CGA for this exact reason.

[@bigblueamusementproductions]

I'm sure earthquake proofing was taken into consideration in this design. These are engineers and they know what they are doing.

[@RollyCoaster]

@@bigblueamusementproductions Of course, but we're talking about price here. Being earthquake proof can basically double the price of a coaster. Steel Dragon 2000 cost 52 million in 2000, which is about 82 million today. We're more concerned if Cedar Fair is really willing to drop tens of millions of dollars on an investment that might not have the support of its own city and residents.

[@bigblueamusementproductions]

@@RollyCoaster I'm sure they considered the costs of that as well and they have a way to spend it. They wouldn't submit the plans for approval if they didn't have the desire to drop that kind of money on the project. Trust me the planning and design people know what they're doing.

[@RollyCoaster]

@@bigblueamusementproductions True. Just like putting it in perspective how massive this investment is.

[@seancurrier6711]

@@bigblueamusementproductions you do know Cedar Fair submitted the plans for a hyper coaster at CGA and was approved by the city then changed their minds on installing it due to costs.

[@protowave]

Orion doesn't have its anti-rollback pawls down by default (similar to Intamin cable lifts). i don't know how exactly they're accomplishing it, though my guess is that it's nearly identical to how Intamin does it (Eddy currents hold the pawls up in place until the train stops or travels backwards, and they fall due to no current or a polarity reversal) this completely eliminates the mechanical noise of them slapping up and down on the bottom of the train. so B&M has already done this and will likely do it again in the future, including on this potential coaster.

[@ElToroRyan]

That’s not exactly how it works. The anti-rollbacks on Intamins are down by default, but are lifted when a wheel attached to the bottom of the train spins against the lift hill. The energy generated from this causes the anti rollback pawl to lift, but if the wheel slips or the train stops moving, the pawl falls back down and makes contact with the rollback teeth. But this contact for the wheel that lifts the pawls only occurs on the lift hill. So for the remainder of the ride, the pawls are just hanging down. Orion is probably similar unless B&M is using a completely different system

[@protowave]

@@ElToroRyan WHOOPS, thanks for the clarification! i didn't realize that the Intamin pawls fell down after the lift hill - now i know! as far as i can tell, Orion doesn't have a separate track for a wheel on its lift hill, and i was unable to hear the pawls as the train went through the course when i rode it repeatedly... so i'm not sure what they're doing exactly. AFAIK it's the only B&M like this.

[@iitzfizz]

That B&M roar though

[@wooddoors1193]

The park isn't open 24/7. It closes at 6pm on weekdays and 10pm on weekends. It's only open later than that during Knott's Scary Farm and on New Years Eve. If you have to work at night surely you would have the sense to not move into an apartment right next to a loud amusement park. That's like complaining about too many people near your beachfront property.

[@goalhornstudios8426]

Let's get el toro to 100k this year

[@clskinny6622]

I always wondered why Riddler's Revenge was so freaking loud

[@dezcanso1540]

Western has more of the residential living housing, while La Plama, Beach, and Crescent are mostly Commercial, Hotel. I think Knotts should just offer to purchase sound proof windows to all the residents and commercial buildings in the surrounding areas.

[@dfair]

I really HATE residents who move next door to such places (abandoned railroad tracks or theme parks or airports) and then get mad when there is expansion or resumed usage of train tracks. People, if you want quiet ... move away from noise lol

[@Silacide]

*Praying* 🙏🙏🙏

[@cerberus1166]

i think silver bullet might not be as loud because also since its inverted the weight isnt thrown down into the box section of the BandM track.

[@sedricgranger]

11:55 🤣 had me dying of laughter

[@akwasiregister9529]

You can build a 30ft triangled sound walls at the edge of the property. Think freeway sound barriers but with Cedarfair levels of money. Two pane concrete walls with sand inside and a 10ft sound deflecting extention platform atop the wall. Spend the money!

[@CZsWorld]

That's the one thing I don't like about B&M. Riddler's Revenge is downright unpleasant to be around without earplugs. I don't even bother with it unless I have a FastPass these days cause the queue area is so loud. The screams could much more easily be dampened with tunnels, but at the end of the day, you're going to hear the ride from 100 feet away no matter what. The park is open until 11 on weekends in the summer. It's gonna be a hard sell. Hope we get this Giga...

[@bonesauce6140]

Hi

[@aaronhilliker7566]

Reminds me of building Gold Striker at CGA, which added all those tunnels and half-tunnels. Given that even GhostRider has the big shield on its first drop (is that for the hotel guests?), we might see a lot of those on board. Also, if it's mostly over the parking lot, I wonder if the Western theme is even going to factor in, as it seems to with Gold Striker and GhostRider...

[@CharlotteNcSports]

Fury does have sand in all open parts that could cause noise but the fact of the noises comes from the not only the wheels but the design of the front car if anyone know about Arrow dynamics you would know that the air is being pushed to the side because of how the front car was designed

[@joeygassmann5595]

First, Knotts has existed long before those residential neighborhoods. Everyone who lives nearby is doing so knowing fully there is an existing theme park nearby. Nursing home? Old people are hard of hearing anyway. Who else could be bothered? Maybe the homeless and crackheads on Beach Bl. Either way, they definitely have solutions for the noise issue. I think money is the number one reason this will not be built. Knotts is a huge contributor to the city and local businesses, and I think Buena Park will likely approve any such project that may bring them more positive attention and funding.

[@firebirdlover4460]

Exactly. Most of the people who live around Knotts have annual passes. It is literally their playground. And the city would jump at the idea. Money is what will be the real issue. Multi level parking garages are outrageously expensive

[@sijdnsd6460]

If Knotts was in roller coaster capacity before the neighborhoods were introduced then the residents have little to no claims at all. However, what could be a sticky situation is how roller coaster was Knotts when the neighborhoods were set up. If Knotts has a better claim, they can win in court.

[@joeygassmann5595]

@@firebirdlover4460 yep something like $25-35k per space. But I do believe a new structure is part of this project so it must be already accounted for in the cost estimate. I’m sure they have already received bids from at least B&M for the design. I’m pretty sure there were two different layouts in this proposal as well.

[@master21th92]

No they dont

[@master21th92]

Cedar fair is not going to spend 40 million on a new giga even if it’s perfect this will not happen

[@Anthxnyflores]

They could do something like the scream tubes on Incredicoaster at California Adventure on the sections that go over the road.

[@keziah5647]

I know the West Coast has plenty of great rides, but this ride would be THE reason to visit the west.

[@TonySkafidas]

so many rides could be built around it also, making it more competitive, this would be a great thing for knotts

[@lumindoesvideos]

I hope they do let it happen, even if it gets filled with sand to quiet it down a bit. Some people already deal with surprisingly loud things by their homes, like hospitals and airports, so it still will probably still a chance.

[@kenfrancisworld8720]

I wonder what disclaimers residents need to sign before purchasing a home near the park. I live near an airport and had to sign many forms acknowledging this. If flight paths change and jets fly over my house, my complaints are invalid. Just wondering if a similar disclaimer exists around Knott's. I grew up over 3 miles away and I could often hear the train whistle (I could also hear the Disneyland fireworks 8 miles away). Yes there's noise. It's been there for decades. Is this enough now to stop the project???

[@amandarose4938]

i could hear the DLR fireworks from my house and i live about 30mins away off the 5, but u don’t see me complaining! anyways the fireworks typically start at 9:30pm when they close at 12am so if u lose track of time, that’s a good way to remember! 😏

[@michaelhunting2868]

My view is you moved near amusement park so you are going to have to deal with the drawbacks knots was their before the housing development

[@armandofernandez8257]

Man I do hope they do built this crazy bad ass coaster.

[@ZPierce767676]

Great info per usual 👌

[@James_Michael]

I have been going to KBF since I was a little kid. Don't you think KBF has been talking to the City and the manufacturer before they spent 100s of thousands dollars on the design and drawings? They must have some kind of plan in place to get this approved or it would not have gone this far.

[@loafi34]

wait but what about busch gardens tampa, its like, the same deal?

[@averageenthusiast928]

I’m a Knotts fanboy….I love b&m gigas…why do you have to release this on my birthday? Why are you the way that you are? (I’m kidding, but still, great timing)

[@ElToroRyan]

🤣🤣 I’m so sorry! Happy birthday tho mang! I hope the Giga happens!

[@averageenthusiast928]

Thanks man! Hope for it too happen too! Otherwise we still have goli…..never mind

[@positron797]

This aged well

[@d3th2m3rikkka]

If you don’t want to hear loud roller coasters, don’t buy a house right next to an amusement park

[@liamblake1614]

Many are memeing the comment section but damn this was really a well thought out and intelligent analysis

[@master21th92]

Appears that cedar is force to not make it or spend almost 40 million dollars on a new giga coaster because giga coaster prices keep getting higher and they will need to spend more money on stronger supports and track so it can handle the weight of the sand.

[@hellacia8151]

This is Knott's. And considering CF's strategy is to invest in 1 or 2 parks at a time per year, I'm pretty sure they'll splurge for their biggest cash cow.

[@master21th92]

@@hellacia8151 Yes I know but this ride is going to cost around 40 million dollars and I don’t think cedar fair is going to spend around 40 million dollars The max they spent on a ride is 30 million dollars and giga prices are going higher though if this will happen it might happen in around5 to 10 years

[@hellacia8151]

@@master21th92 I'm pretty sure they would invest 40 million if they knew that it would bring a good return. Knott's is absolutely slammed with crowds on weekends, plus it brings in a ton of money from Scary Farm. Gigas are always huge crowd pleasers, and I'm pretty sure if they invested in this, as Leviathan and Fury did, I'd pretty sure it'd rake in a lot of money for them.

[@master21th92]

@@hellacia8151 Even though a giga would be great this won’t happen because they most likely won’t except the project because even calming the noise as much as possible this ride will still make noise because of the mid corse break runs the camelbacks chainlift noise and roar going from the wheels.

[@hellacia8151]

@@master21th92 Magnetic brake runs like found on Xcelerator are much quieter than traditional friction brake runs. CF and Knott's would already be quite aware of these issues, and are probably finding ways to do this before submission.

[@coasternut2022]

I'd really love for this to happen too, but I don't see the neighbors letting this happen.

[@elidavidson5503]

While I would love this to happen, Thunder dolphin isn't really a good example because Japanese people are often much more tolerant of outside noise than Americans.