🐐Why Kobe Bryant Has Legit Case For The Greatest Basketball Player To Ever Live | The Panel

[@AX5Terminator]

They were definitely studying film in the 80s and 90s. Rodman was studying how the ball bounces off the rim depending on who shoots it for Pete's sake.

[@MarzTalksSports]

in shoot arounds. thats not proof of watching film. not saying they did or didnt im just saying that doesnt prove anything

[@qupope6955]

Studying during SHOOTAROUNDS not watching tape

[@tonj02]

⁠@@MarzTalksSportsu think they didn’t watch film? I’d you do, that’s comical. There’s a number of clips of the chuck daily and his staff watching film with the pistons. There’s images of riley watching film with the lakers. There’s clips of Phil Jackson and Doug Collins watching film with bulls.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@tonj02 did u close ur eyes during the part of my comment that said 'not saying they did or didnt'

[@Jeazzy24]

Kobe is my GOAT but i dont have a problem with anyone taking mj over him. Kobe not only was responsible for the offense but he also defended the other teams best player

[@GODsoN_8471]

He wasn't responsible for 3 of them thangs lol he was the sidekick.

[@Jeazzy24]

@@GODsoN_8471 bye bye casual.

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

​@@Jeazzy24he's spitting

[@kalicomusic8594]

Kobe is the upgraded version of MJ but sat his first 3 years? Benched in the playoffs? 1 MVP?😂😂😂😂 Sounds like he did well with Mikes old moves like Gil said.

[@jason15212]

Not being good as Mike doesn’t make you outside the top 10 tho that’s the problem

[@user-gc2ln8fy1f]

A discussion where two people disagree but can actually see the others points and keep it civil

[@wallaceiseasy3459]

The moment he said D rose and Ai top 10, I knew what this was and stopped taking him serious lol

[@awomansobsession]

Don't disrespect a.i

[@collegedropout2766]

there is no middle with kobe.. either people disrespect him or they overrate the fuck out of him.

[@Mark-Anthony601]

Kobe is an updated form of Mike. Not all updates are an improvement. Ask iPhone users, lol. Not all computer updates are better than the previous versions.

[@PeterBagjuice]

Can we all agree that Jordan would be AT LEAST as good as peak Dwade?

[@canadadry4609]

Trae like jordan. I dont agree with all or most the takes, but good vibes, good people, and they doin work in the game for future generations. I respect that.

[@adrielthenatural]

My favorite PC episode since Ticket left

[@JayBiggz]

Jordan is a typewriter? That leap from typewriter to computer is a huge leap terrible analogy

[@Dologaming24]

Dude bugging lol

[@titandmc8111]

Kobe is similar not the same as MJ.Mj athletism hand size allowed him to do things kobe couldn't but im gonna tell kobe determination was there

[@devwhit4289]

Kobe 230? Dude stop where is TICKET? 😂😂

[@jason15212]

I hate that marz was quiet during this debate

[@jason15212]

We don’t have to act like Kobe didn’t dunk on EVERY big in the 00’s😭

[@mylaughingeffect3459]

He doesn’t have a case bc like Gil arenas said it’s only 2 guys and it’s Bron and Mike! Nobody debates the 🐐 debate 3-10!

[@MarzTalksSports]

Respect Bill russell

[@mylaughingeffect3459]

@@MarzTalksSportsI do. I respect all. I just think arguing 🐐 has become more like saying my factories player, is my 🐐. GOAT gets thrown around too loosely! But I respect those who have their (goats/favs)

[@canadadry4609]

No hes not.

[@XolileNompumelelo-ps9ti]

This man thinks the NBA is a 1 on 1 tournament 😅.. he doesn't know basketball

[@rodneyharvey8938]

Who is this guy.....

[@Alex-wz9ze]

Kobe was the best basketball player ever

[@trevorrobinson8652]

Nope😅

[@krozz999]

Kobe and AI sometimes are the most overrated players that ever stepped a foot in the league lol

[@awomansobsession]

Please stop talking bball!!!!

[@krozz999]

@@awomansobsession you're just proving my point, I'm not saying they were bad or anything like that :)

[@awomansobsession]

@@krozz999 so be it!!! I'm an A.I fan and will always defend him in my eyes He'll never be overrated! Or the mamba. Your opinion is your opinion but as a Iverson fan I disagree period.

[@krozz999]

@@awomansobsession for sure! it's all valid.

[@newzay50]

Aye dawg trippin jordan was the kid pullin up to everybody house askin to hoopz jordan was definitely outside

[@SkodenMOC]

Kobe is either the most overrated player or the most disrespected player of all time… it’s very toxic whenever a Kobe discussion is involved 💔

[@WeezyD313]

@@SkodenMOC thats cap niggas that’s unbiased rate him 12-15 properly

[@MontrellPitts]

Yes sometimes people like Ron and Ticket tv rank him too high at 2nd to Jordan when he's far worse than him in every way you can't be second and not be better than him in any thing and you have people like Chill town ranking him too low at 11 when it isn't 10 players that's better than him

[@ctrlawpdelete8266]

@@MontrellPittsfar worse is crazy he’s more skilled than Jordan he just isn’t nearly as athletic

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

​@@ctrlawpdelete8266😂😂Kobe isn't more skilled than Jordan 😂😂where does this myth come from? What did Kobe do that Jordan didn't already do?

[@GODsoN_8471]

​@@ctrlawpdelete8266lol he's not more skilled just because he's less athletic. One of Jordan's most iconic plays was going left and finishing with his left and it was totally unnecessary lol he could've just dunked but he decided mid air to switch to his left and lay it in off the glass against the Lakers in the finals. I was 6 years old and that's when he replaced Magic as my favorite player.

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

Kobe isn't MY GOAT but its not crazy to say he's in the conversation. He's definitely top 10. Arguably top 5 ever.

[@johnfinai7846]

He’s in my top 3

[@kdogbagel6809]

its not crazy to say, but if were having a conversation, about you being in the top 5, you're not really in the goat convo

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

@@kdogbagel6809 to me that's subjective. Its all depends on what you value. If you top 5 EVER thats GOAT status especially if you played in a different era, with different rules and different style of play.

[@SkodenMOC]

Facts man… I wanna talk about that Top 15 should be the new Top 10 lists… cuz in my opinion the Top 15 list are the legendary of legends of all-time… players that were the best to 3rd best from their respective eras… that have the chips mvps fmvps 1st teams all-stars elite in either scoring playmaking or defense of all time

[@pjspointofview1545]

Only players that uu can put over Kobe all time realistically is MJ Bron and Kareem. Everything else is complete nonsense

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

These narratives/myths that Jordan couldn't go left or he had limited moves are a flat out LIE. Dude up there saying he's a Jordan fan when in reality he's an undercover hater. All he did was bash Jordan. These dudes treat the game like it's NBA 2K and act like there's a huge disparity in skillset. There wasn't anything Jordan couldn't do as a basketball player. He did it in an era where it was easier to double and triple team, little to no floor spacers, the he lane was clogged with bigs and the pace was slower. Shot less 3s and still averaged 30 for his career. With that being said his statistics show the few years he shot 2 or more 3s a game he shot it at 40%. What are we talking about. Let's not even get started on the fact Jordan was one of the most fierce competitors not just in basketball but in all sports period.

[@hoffa8873]

Those few years you're referring to when he shot over 40% from 3 , the line was shortened because the league was boring as hell & the guys weren't scoring enough. So they had to help them out. Did you know during those years , Gary Payton took over 600 3s ? Before the line was shortened , he shot barely 200 3s. Same logic applies to Jordan. We're not giving him credit for shooting 3s on the YMCA line 😂. MJ did a lot of things great , he just wasn't a great shooter , accept it.

[@upgradeyourmindset3265]

@@hoffa8873 Ok yea because Im sure Michael Jordan has never pulled up from 30 ft lol. You don't even realize how crazy you sound. A guy like Al Horford comes into the league as a none shooter and years later leads the league in 3-point shooting percentage. You really think Michael Jordan, as competitive as he was, wouldn't improve his 3-point shot knowing he has to take 3x as many? Bet you wont mention how the NBA has had to change rules to make the game softer and free flowing to make people like you think its that much better lol. Go sit down somewhere

[@SkodenMOC]

@@hoffa8873he wasn’t a great deep shooter but he still was a elite mid range shooter… and great at the free throw line

[@kendallboultsjr]

He HATED using his left hand yes, but he was really good at it

[@nykareem2001]

They act like there aren't players today that refuse to go left. The largest gap in skill between the old era and now is three point shooting. What's made the game look so different is data driven coaching and very lack ball handling rules.

[@adamjones3491]

“Instead of going to the park outside, they’ll go to the park in 2k” had me weak 1:22:40

[@kirklanbarnes1490]

🤣🤣🤣 yo mj was best scorer in nba history. what are ya talking about. find a player today thats averaging 30 for his career on almost 50 percent shooting

[@SkodenMOC]

The Guest reminds me of Big Z from Surf’s Up 🏄‍♂️🐧

[@PraiseThaDon]

This channel and it’s fanbase obviously hates Kobe for whatever reason.

[@nv3095]

It’s an internet thing. This is the only place where he’s disrespected but in real life Kobe is revered. They sit on bball reference all day and don’t know the context

[@PraiseThaDon]

@@nv3095 Facts no wonder why 🎫 don’t mess with these dudes. These same dudes wouldn’t walk the streets of LA disrespecting Kobe they would never. Only over the internet. Kobe played in the slowest paced era and shot around 45%. That isn’t bad for a SG.

[@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast]

@@PraiseThaDon these are grown men and if they didn't like Kobe they would for sure make it known, even in LA. Chill is the only person here currently that isn't high on Kobe. Stop acting like children we can have an opinion and based off the body of work from these guys there's strong arguments for at least 10 players being better/greater than Kobe

[@AveryB.0]

I've said this once and I will say it again, Kobe's game was the most similar to Jordan's in terms of looks and aesthetics. He is not 1B or the second best player ever just because he looks close to MJ. Thats like saying Trae Young a top 5 PG ever because he plays most similar to Steph 🤣

[@jalilcook5113]

But Trae young plays no where near like Steph tho

[@cam9489]

@@jalilcook5113exactly 🤣

[@Kalinbuggs]

This is terrible bc Trae young and Steph don’t play the same at all lol

[@jalenrose9135]

Kobe’s game resulting in 5 championships. Trae young hasn’t made it to a finals

[@AveryB.0]

@@jalenrose9135 others have won multiple chips as well, don't mean they are similar to Jordan or 2nd greatest all time.

[@jason15212]

I want to preface by saying that IMO Jordan Lebron and Kobe are the 3 best players to ever play and as long as your number 1 is one of those players I won’t ever argue with you because they have different cases for the GOAT title. If I had to pick 1 it’d be jordan based off of skill,talent, impact on winning, impact on the game, etc.. I think has the best overall resume. Jordan’s claim is that he has the best peak ever. Kobe’s would be that he’s the most skilled and won during the most competitive era of the league and most disadvantageous era for his style of play. Lebron’s is that nobody was as good as he was/is for as as long as he was. Basically longevity. BUT this is how I see Jordan vs Kobe game wise: Finishing: Jordan not really that close (Kobe was a great finisher but jordan was like no other) Mid range shot: Kobe(could go either way), I think kobe played in an era where was more difficult to shoot a lot of mid range shots at a high clip and played against tougher defenses in general.(not mad if someone says jordan) 3PT Shot: Kobe, this isn’t close. Jordan was never guarded the Kobe was at the 3 point line and he never really shot enough of them for this to be an argument. Going strictly off of 3pt percentage would be dumb but I’m sure most will. Post scoring: Edge to Kobe, I think Kobe was checked by better defenders both in the post and perimeter while again not having as much to operate as Jordan did give the defenses allowed in Kobe’s era. Kobe took from Jordan and mixed it with Hakeem’s post game. Overall playmaking: Jordan, the edge comes with the fact that he was more of a threat coming downhill and in transition than kobe but they are similar in other aspects. (Will further break down playmaking) Passing out of the post: Jordan, both great at it for guards but I’d edge jordan because he was better at finding open guys and cutters from the post than kobe( again both were great at it especially for guards). Passing out of pick n roll: Kobe, granted we didn’t see Jordan run it as much but I think Kobe is one of the best 2 guards at pick n roll or 2 man games with bigs. Yes what he did with Shaq was great but what really solidified this for me was the years with Pau, LO, Bynum, Dwight etc.. it didn’t matter how athletic a big was Kobe was good at dishing it to them and finding open guys on the perimeter. Scoring in transition: Jordan fasho, not close. Perimeter Defense: Kobe, So I think Kobe while he played in an era where they didn’t always have to check 1 vs 1.. he took it upon himself to do so A LOT I’ve seen Kobe check a wider variety of talent than Jordan on the perimeter even small guards which jordan struggled with. AI, Westbrook, Wade, Mac, Melo, Kyrie, Dame, etc.. the talent from 1-3 in 00-13 is just different. Off ball Defense: Jordan, similar to Kobe in the way that they gambled A LOT off ball and would get caught ball watching jordan was much more successful at jumping passing lanes, helping backside, getting blocks, rebounding etc..Kobe would lock in but sometimes he got caught lacking every now and then.

[@brashadcarr6759]

Jordan clamped rod Strickland in the 97 playoffs not sure where he struggled guarding smaller guys consistently like yeah I can find footage of Jordan getting cooked but Gilbert dropped 60 on Kobe and Jeremy Lin cooker him.

[@jason15212]

I hate this mike and kobe discussion because nobody ever talks about how they do have completely different games outside of the post, fades, etc.. the way they put the ball on the floor and broke down defenses was way different and looked nothing alike. Yes kobe got a lot from Mj AND HAKEEM but he has a game of his own that doesn’t look like theirs

[@jason15212]

Prime Derrick Rose has become very overrated. I hate I have to say this.

[@jason15212]

Saying mike shoots the 3 better than kobe is pure hate lol

[@awomansobsession]

😂😂😂😂 i see right thru this dude!!!! Tryna erase MJ from the convo is hilarious much respect for the mamba not a LBJ fan but we ain't never gonna stop mentioning MJ!!! The disrespect is crazy.

[@2cents250]

wtf does kobe playing at the rucker and drew league have to do with anything? this reminds me of when ppl bring up Lebron’s charity work for the goat debate.

[@johnathannabors3426]

Like when people Bring up MJ shoes and commercials?

[@DJ-ys9pv]

Might matter in terms of basketball idk but in terms of what you did in the NBA, the pinnacle of basketball, doesn’t matter. If so Derozan gonna need to move up a few spots lol

[@tommycapone8926]

Skillset doesn’t = best either and that’s all I’m hearing from the Kobe side Jordan filled his cup much more. Also him bringing up Steph and Kyrie and Durant Durant torched his ass in 2012 Steph wasn’t Steph and Kyrie was a pup like man what lol

[@canadadry4609]

NO ONE viewed the 04 pistons as that great at the time. It was a reason they were literally the biggest underdogs in nna history and everyone and their mama was picking the Lakers to win. Yes even after the rasheed acquisition. Not even close.

[@johnathannabors3426]

Kobe got competition with Duncan and Shaq people just zoom him past them

[@MarzTalksSports]

This was relatively civil. with that being said Michael beasley clears respectfully

[@Archburner]

L civil need more screamiing and cancerous topics i rather hear why kobe is not top 10 than being goat just cause its gonna be moore fun

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Archburner W negativity

[@rashonduswashington4025]

As a kid watching Michael Beasley in college was something otherworldly

[@Suge8263]

Im sorry i cried when kobe died but this shit gotta stop he's not better than michael jordan and this he cant go left shit is dumb like thats easily been debunked i think kobe is great but this whole he better version of mj is just not true. And im just going of the eye test cause we know the nunbers favoe mj

[@mlc7million]

What's funny is MJ averaged 30 over 8 years, 37 first year, and 35 the second year. I don't doubt he could average 40 for a few seasons but not a career average.

[@mlc7million]

I would also challenge what the guy said in regard to film study and although there is more technology I don't buy that coaching is necessarily better. I would make the argument that today's copy each even toward their detriment. As a former coach I can identify hundreds of examples of this from mismatch recognition, to simple defensive strategies that don't align with great defenses or properly utilize great defenders.

[@Dologaming24]

James Harden Is the reason they lost to the Warriors. It was his fault. Close those games and get It done. He’s not on Wade’s level.

[@devypoo11]

I remember after Kobe’s 5th championship there were actual conversations of if Kobe was the 2nd best of all time. If 2013 Achilles tear never happened I think people would hold him in higher regard. The revisionist history is crazy now. Got people saying he’s barely top 10. Could you imagine what Kobe would do if he didn’t play in dead ball era with the pace and spacing in todays league. Would look crazy.

[@jason15212]

There conversations before he won his 4th but people forget

[@marcusfrm6263]

Right but as soon as he die he dam near not even top 10 now

[@collegedropout2766]

kobe biggest enemy is efficiency.. he was high volume and average to below average efficiency.

[@devypoo11]

@@collegedropout2766 not true, relative to the era he played in he was efficient. This take has been debunked so many times.

[@devypoo11]

He had a positive true shooting relative to league average from 1996-2013. Didn’t drop below league average until after the Achilles tear

[@trejay2387]

JORDAN IS KAWHI LEONARD W/ PRIME RUSSEL WESTBROOK ATHLETICISM

[@leehen468]

Bro he lost all credibility when he said Jordan game would not translate to today’s games !!! 😮😮😮 stop the cap I know u love Kobe but Kobe had Shaq bro !! Stop the 🧢

[@drowsycomet]

PS2 is better than PS3. The next gen model is not always better

[@Alex-wz9ze]

Wrong ps3 is much better

[@DreJ912]

Agreed. PS2 Had some of the greatest games ever made

[@drowsycomet]

@@Alex-wz9ze as someone who had every PlayStation, PS2 is the better of the two.

[@gnnacharles1]

I don’t know what youngins be smoking, but modern defense is to stop players from shooting 3s . MJ was dunking on 7 foot shot blockers waiting in the paint.Who y’all think these players were: Eaton, Bol, Olajuwon, Mutombo, Kareem, Gilmore, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing, Nance, Shaq M. Malone, McHale, J.B.Carroll, T.Rollins,R.Sampson? Yeah they were on MJ posters

[@jason15212]

Kobe was never 230 lol my boy was never that big

[@Fizzyphafacts]

Kobe is my favorite but he is not better then Mike

[@jason15212]

Ox speaking facts about kids not hooping anymore. I’m only 27 and I remember when I was 12-18 it was always a bunch of us trying to hoop with the older guys now in days whenever I do get the chance to hoop it’s never as many kids as it was back in the day fr.

[@kirklanbarnes1490]

bro is lying, shai avergaring 30 and shooting like 4 3s a game. jordan would not have to jack 3s all game

[@MarzTalksSports]

who said he would? 30 is not 40

[@kirklanbarnes1490]

@@MarzTalksSports I don't know the guys name. but dude with the hood. he actually took his comments back. he said Jordan would average a lot due to fouls. he's right about that today. but foul or not Jordan would have a season like you said averaging 40 plus for sure

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@kirklanbarnes1490 Meh hed be a nice 12th man

[@jason15212]

Bird is way better than Dirk😭

[@JamesBond-mc2mx]

I just realized Kobe is known for dunking viciously on Ben Wallace and Dwight Howard who are at least X3 Defensive player of the year winners…he also dunked on Duncan, the Great Wall of China, and Hakeem (but it didn’t count) so really Kobe dunked on all the big men of his era. Not mention his handles, footwork, and range was better than MJ. Yeah Kobe actually was more skilled, just not considered better, but his comp was more crazy.

[@Kalinbuggs]

Drob too sometimes drob & Duncan at the same time. KG in 03

[@JamesBond-mc2mx]

@@Kalinbuggs facts. He got them all lol. I remember that KG one. His reverse dunks were a trademark…Like what else you want him to do?

[@Suge8263]

​@@JamesBond-mc2mxit wont a poster tho he wouldn't dunk straight up on young kg

[@Kalinbuggs]

@@Suge8263 he dunked on Yao & Dwight who are better rim protectors than KG. He blew pass KG then did a reverse dunk on him and the center. Let’s not get into semantics

[@canadadry4609]

Hes still not a better finisher in the paint than jordan... not even that close actually. Its a different level for jordan even as good as kobe was. Just more powerful. Considerably More athletic. Ability to palm the ball. Just different to kobe.

[@GSR-Indictment]

My Top 10 Best Hoopers!…Not 2B’ Confused with Better or Greater Player, but More Focused on Skill Set, Scoring Ability aswell as Natural Basketball Talent & EyeTest!… 1)Kobe Bryant 2)Michael Jordan 3)Tracy McGrady 4)Kevin Durant 5)Luka Doncic 6)Penny Hardaway 7)Dwyane Wade 8)Pistol Pete 9)Allen Iverson 10)Carmelo Anthony Honourable Mentions; Vince Carter, Manu Ginobili, Joe Johnson, Gilbert Arenas, Kyrie Irving, Stephen Curry & James Harden!…🔥🤯🔥

[@brashadcarr6759]

Steph and kyrie should replace wade and penny on this list

[@GSR-Indictment]

@@brashadcarr6759 Hell No, Especially Not Curry!…

[@jason15212]

Also what Gilbert said is right and I’m glad he said because it highlights the fact that jordan and Kobe games didn’t 100% look alike. Kobe crossing Mf’s and taking them off the dribble is completely different than what Jordan did to get to the cup.

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

😂😂ya'll think Jordan didn't have a crossover 😂😂😂😂😢

[@Flight31White]

Kobe the Goat

[@Cruzinho24]

Kobe got the same amount of MVPs as James Harden. Cut the shit man.

[@TrojanBOY90]

Oh yeah cause it’s all about MVPs

[@Cruzinho24]

@@TrojanBOY90 yeah let’s just ignore one of the few major individual awards a player can win, but gas up a 5 ring team achievement where he was the 2nd best player on his team for 3 of them.

[@Don-Royall]

​@@Cruzinho24You are coping you didn't make any argument.

[@Cruzinho24]

@@Don-Royall tf you mean? His career accomplishments aren’t great enough to warrant these conversations. That’s the argument. He didn’t accomplish more than Lebron, MJ, and Kareem. Period. He’s at the table with Tim Duncan and Larry Bird. He’s not at the Lebron MJ Kareem table. I know it hurts.

[@Don-Royall]

@@Cruzinho24 What are you about, you made a ridiculous argument and I am pointing it out. Instead of addressing that, you cry.

[@Indycityc]

The Kobe fan base is hilarious.

[@terricarter9435]

Not more than Bron fans

[@jacoblee5796]

Kobe fan base is straight delusional!

[@terricarter9435]

@jacoblee5796 nah Bron fans worse mpst Kobe fans don't put him in front of Mike just off respect alone but Bron fans will do it in a heartbeat wit 6 finals losses on his record🤷

[@DanteGoldz]

Not worse than Bron fans

[@Jeazzy24]

@@terricarter9435 because us Kobe fans know Kobe is not better then mj. It's not just a respect thing. We have eyes and LeBron not better then Kobe. If he was I would say so

[@pjspointofview1545]

24 Kobe the goat, he perfected the game of the basketball

[@2cents250]

he wasnt perfect when he went 6/24 in the finals. he had the better team.

[@WRLdPeAcE96]

Kobe does not and I REPEAT does not have a case to be the greatest player of all time only Jordan and maybe lebron

[@johnking6102]

Tim Duncan was never in the convo with Kobe til he won that fifth ring as a 3rd option… love Timmy but his MVps were Kobe’s, Shaq and Kobe were penalized from MVPs because they played together.

[@joejett5084]

Duncan won mvp in 02 and 03. Kobe want even better than shaq, Duncan, iverson, Garnett or mcgrady then

[@JrillPrill]

So you want to drop Jordan to this ERa but not give him time to improve on his 3s? Or learn to defend guards and off the ball players?😅 You don’t want to give him access to the training, conditioning of the players of today? So he’s the only one who’s gonna play back to back, 82 games and no load management? And when he plays the NBA rules changes for that night? 4 guys will be allowed in the paint, no 3 second rule and hard fouls are not flagrant?

[@SkodenMOC]

MOE spittin facts, I never realized Harden hasn’t missed the playoffs 😮 he should retire without a single losing record season 😅

[@brashadcarr6759]

He made sure to leave Houston when that would have happened

[@SkodenMOC]

@@brashadcarr6759 I don’t blame bro… always find a way to win, despite haven’t won any chips sadly in his career, still an all-time player

[@jeremiahsmith7706]

12:47 No way this man said Kobe was walking around weighing 230. Kobe was around 205-210. Just for reference , Kawhi Leonard and Luka Doncic are about 230. You're telling me Bean was as big as Kawhi? Stop it😂. MJ at his peak was as heavy as 220 lbs.

[@ronelm]

Jordon will take as many shots as he did before cuz a coach will adapt to any player who will get him the W. That’s like saying curry wouldn’t make it in the 90s since he wouldn’t be allowed to take that many 3s. Coaches will adapt. They also said scoring leaders don’t win championships.. do what works.

[@MarzTalksSports]

i just dont think a coach will see 30 shots a game as winning formula in todays game. but who knows

[@TheTakeOver42]

The world recognize Kobe as 1B to Michael Jordan's 1A Even Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson and a bunch of others have gone on record and said Kobe is the closest player to Michael Jordan if Kobe is the closest that means no one else is closer stop to hate

[@Rickiwitdasticki]

Kobe is Jordan lite. Shot with less efficiency, wasn’t as much of a freak athlete (people who say Kobe was not athletic are crazy) and had terrible shot selection. It’s a miracle he shot 44% considering the shots he took, which is a testament to how good he was, but I feel like he left a lot of meat on the bone that Jordan didn’t. Love Kobe and he’s a top 10 player, but he’s at 5-7 for me.

[@nv3095]

Jordan played in the era of illegal defense which forces the floor to be spaced. And Kobe was barely less efficient. MJ’s career TS% is 56.9/57 while Kobe is at 55

[@neoblade8164]

CP3 outplayed Harden in Game 6 of the 2019 WCF (CP3 stunk for the first 5 games mostly) Also KD outplayed Harden in the 2018 WCF

[@TheTakeOver42]

Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are really the only two players in NBA history that has no flaws everything in their game is a strength

[@pjspointofview1545]

Kobe Bryant > Magic. It’s not a debate. Magic had Kareem(arguably the goat) for all of his rings but Kobe gets killed for getting 3 with shaq? Magics case is based on a 2 team era where he and bird just ran away with all of the trophies.

[@TheTakeOver42]

Chill is wack he's a big Kobe hater do too delusional and I really don't like his commentary he don't know basketball

[@PTRJayWhop]

We gotta start a new rule if you gotta say Take away stats and everything and say let’s just talk strictly hoop if you gotta say that to big up a player that should tell you right there that he isn’t in this conversation go do a top 5 top 10 24 fitness players then bro this the nba guys don’t get paid millions dollar to just hoop they get paid to play basketball and win championships if your fav player can’t measure up in total body of work he just don’t Let’s talk strictly hoop my guy stats are a reflection of these guy’s performances we just supposed ignore em Kobe take 37 dam shots to get where he at KD take less you tell me whose the better scorer KD y’all really gotta listen to Kobe fans bro they are exactly what people say brons fans are how tf imma take away everything things man accomplished just for you to big up Kobe to make him look better it’s a reason some guys in the nba and some aren’t some guys wanna just hoop and don’t know how to play basketball just listen to these Mfs they make it seem like it’s better to be a hooper then a fucking basketball player shii insane this what we teaching the youth ?

[@vauntheemuuu]

Yall love to hate on a definitive top 5 player. Yall give shaq more credit like shaq won before kobe came to the league. Shaq won 1 title without kobe an thats with prime d wade kobe won 2 with one allstar on the team. Yall dont know hoop in these comments lol an dont talk about efficiency when bro played in a inefficient era. And dont talk about most misses kuz lebron is 2nd all time in misses and gonna be #1 this next season if he doesnt retire.

[@jasonha4489]

I agree wit Ox but he need to recognize that oldheads said the same thing about his generation He becomin an og for the youngsters LMAO

[@rodneyharvey8938]

No player was better than 88/89 jordan...already an MVP before the title....35/8/8/3/1

[@xsports23810]

1.mike 2.bron 3.kareem 4.magic 5.kobe 6.TimmyD 7.Bird 8.Steph 9.Hakeem 10.Shaq

[@Klegend1750]

Sometimes you just gotta be honest He isn’t the goat and he isn’t a top 3 nba player ever.

[@TheTakeOver42]

MJ KOBE KAREEM MAGIC Then there's everybody else

[@jordanmontalvo18]

I stop listening to Chill years ago when he had Kobe out of here top 10

[@drowsycomet]

Kobe wasn’t as good as Mike.

[@Steelo832]

Kobe could potentially have a good argument over everybody not named MJ.

[@jumi48]

Dude really asked if Mike had a left hand hesi

[@sage9510]

the dude yall brought was not what I was tryna see when I clicked on the episode

[@KweliTiming]

Who is the guy with the bucket hat? I’m look up his highlight since he so cold

[@Brxck]

D Rose isn't in Russ class

[@devwhit4289]

Mj avg damn near 40 in one season the 80s I think it’s extremely biased and idiotic if u say he wouldn’t avg AT LEAST 10 more points today if you drop that Mike in today’s game 😂😂

[@JaamiLowe]

U CAN'T HAVE A GOAT IN A TEAM SPORT LET'S BE CLEAR AND DEAL WITH THE FACTS. THE MEDIA PUBLICATIONS SPORTING NETWORK PLACED THIS DISRESPECTFUL TITLE OR LABEL ON MJ BECAUSE THEY NEVER WITNESSED A GUARD DOMINANT IN A TEAM SPORT WHERE THE TALLER ELITE PLAYERS HAVE DOMINATED BEING CLOSER TO THE RIM. KOBE HAD TO DEAL WITH MULTIPLE FALSE NARRATIVES THAT TOOK AWAY FROM WHAT HE PASSIONATELY LOVED AND OUT WORKED HIS PEERS AND PLAYERS BEFORE OR AFTER. KOBE HAS TO MANY INDIVIDUALS FROM COACHES AND PLAYERS THAT STATED HIS U MATCHED WORK ETHIC YES EVEN OVER JORDAN. SO IF U GOING TO HAVE A BEST PLAYER EVER CONVERSATION U HAVE TO DO IT THIS WAY AND EVEN THEN IT IS STILL FOOLISH TO SAY BECAUSE ITS NOT A LEAGUE THAT WAS CREATED FOR ONE ON ONE PLAY. SO U HAVE TO USE BASKETBALLS OBJECTIVE VERSUS THINGS U MAY ULTIMATELY BE AWARDED OR ACCOMPLISHED OR THE ULTIMATE SUCCESS IS A CHAMPIONSHIP. BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE IS TO SCORE THE BALL AND THEN DEFEND THE BALL AND IF I ONLY USE THIS AS MY ARGUMENT IT WOULD BE MORE LOGICAL. KOBE HAS THE MOST POINTS AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME HE HAD THE MOST ALL PRO SELECTION AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME AND THE MOST DEFENSIVE SELECTIONS AT HIS POSITION ALL-TIME JUST THAT ALONE MAKES HIM THE BEST PLAYER EVER IF I ADD THE ULTIMATE SUCCESS IN THE FACTOR THEN KOBE IS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE TOP 75 PLAYERS LIST THAT WON BACK TO BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS WITHOUT ANOTHER TOP 75 PLAYER ON HIS ROSTER YES THE ONLY PLAYER THAT DONE THIS THEN U HAVE THE PROPER CONTEXT WHEN DISCUSSION OF THE TOPIC.

[@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast]

So let me get this straight Kobe is better than Jordan because he's more skilled than jordan and has counters and footwork etc. D.rose is better than the more skilled skilled Kyrie because he's fast and way more athletic than Kyrie???? So we can gather he's just a d.rose and Kobe fanboy?

[@MarzTalksSports]

the drose part confused me

[@PrinceDJj]

Secondly, I also think what Gil said was correct, which is why when I hear people say Kobe copied MJ, it's different because number 8 Kobe never played like a young MJ, but number 24 Kobe is where you see the similarities to 96-98 MJ. But even with that, I would say Kobe was more skilled.

[@Suge8263]

How do yoy measure skilk tho

[@PrinceDJj]

@@Suge8263 It's so many ways

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

😂😂there's nothing Kobe did that Jordan didn't already do

[@PrinceDJj]

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Yes he did but it's ok that you were blind to it

[@TOKYO9AIN]

So the iPhone 11 isn’t better than the iPhone one because it’s not the original.

[@rodneyharvey8938]

Jordan and Kobe shot the same from 3

[@l3gendarysage293]

The right hand merchant not more skilled than Kobe not even close Kobe top 5 magic does nothing better than Kobe but passing

[@harp1288]

Whatever you say bro

[@jason15212]

Ox I thought defense mattered? Magic top 5?🤣

[@zterben16]

Where did the nfl shows go?

[@richardrawlins5091]

I think numbers were too low and ppl didn’t wanna commit to the schedule of the show

[@daranrice4854]

Jordan Kobe Lebron Duncan Shaq my top 5

[@dukebaylocks]

1:05:00 I stand with Ron!!! W Host! Kobe was CLEARLY more athletic than MJ. And I mean CLEARLY!!!

[@spokcam]

Lol.

[@tayluc777]

If MJ died after his playing career there would be no disrespect, and convos like this wouldn’t be a thing. People only elevate you after death, it’s natural human nature in most cases.

[@nv3095]

You think Kobe wasn’t a part of GOAT conversations when he was alive?

[@jason15212]

@@nv3095Kobe been in those conversations since 2005 even before he got his 4th ring. After Lebron started winning chips they started putting him in the conversation more. People just choose to exercise revisionist history

[@nv3095]

@@jason15212 yeah there are literal compilations online of commentators and other players discussing Kobe and MJ but for some reason these kids think his death elevated him when in reality it’s caused people to disrespect him more