Why Late Game Sucks in Rise of Nations

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Amandus

Күн бұрын

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@aguywhoplaysgames Ай бұрын

Hyperant when a feature takes more than 5 minutes to implement:

@MATHNESSRANKING Ай бұрын

The only comment with an acceptable youtube exclusive emoji 💀

@I_am_bacon._. Ай бұрын

The hoi4 ai with unhistorical does some crazy ass shit sometimes. Would be fun to see the same thing in ron.

@JohnnySmartie Ай бұрын

I once had the uk ai doing world conquest

@riceRB Ай бұрын

yeah i wish they had ai like hoi4 its really fun

@darcys842 Ай бұрын

It would be really hard to do it that way. Having to have country specific ais would be extremely hard for a roblox dev to code. The only thing I can think of that might be manageable is to have all nations be randomly assigned one of two or three ais at the start of the game. One is aggressive, one is passive and focuses on economy, and idk what the third would do, prolly go for forming nations (as opposed to the first which just attacks everything near it.) This would be much easier to code as it would only be three ai types instead of hundreds of unique ones for every nation, but would also better keep to the randomness the video was trying to emphasize. One game you could have chille uniting south America, making it much more interesting when they inevitably get invaded by USA, and in the next it would be a different nation, or maybe none of them because for once a actual player selected one of those nations

@I_am_bacon._. Ай бұрын

@@darcys842 yeah that makes sense. When you think about it, there's no way hyperant would put that much effort into adding country specific ai.

@tf2keller398 Ай бұрын

The main issue with adding an AI is… how would the AI determine where to put and move their units around the map? In most Paradox grand strategy games, the map is made up of provinces, which I imagine is way easier to make an AI move units around on than a map which only has cities and a ‘free roam’ map where units can go anywhere.

@inkyd10 Ай бұрын

3:00 "I ACCIDENTALLY SCROCHED MY CAPITAL" how-

@newguy8288 Ай бұрын

They seem to have misclicked when spamming tanks

@noyes9984 27 күн бұрын

@@inkyd10 if they’re on mobile it’s really easy to accidentally scorch stuff

@inkyd10 27 күн бұрын

@@noyes9984 o alright. thanks for letting me know

@SuspiciousRN Ай бұрын

The thumbnail 💀 ☠️ 😭 🙏 💀

@kyper4629 Ай бұрын

the fact chad was used for the heads of the chad

@chad2522 Ай бұрын

@@kyper4629 That is the whole point of making it bro...

@SancS44 Ай бұрын

chad

@viligerm6592 Ай бұрын

@@SancS44chad

@andreasfiltenborg4952 27 күн бұрын

@@kyper4629 When the Virgin vs Chad meme was created the head for chad was based on the country of Chad. We've come full circle.

@virtuosic_zack1524 Ай бұрын

They should make the AI have the ability to spawn more units making it somewhat harder for the player to conquer them

@thekidsbros9182 Ай бұрын

@why-m3g Ай бұрын

that would require like, one variable and one instance lol

@starleighpersonal Ай бұрын

late game RON is a perfect realistic intepretation of the modern world. a missle measuring contest where democracies lose to 3 bros camped in a mountain fort and facists sell you off brand ipads.

@Meh-Ak5 Ай бұрын

I have never lost an end game since 2024, because people don't really understand how OP nukes are in end game

@cosmical1004 Ай бұрын

what does nukes to do?

@USSArizona-hi8qo Ай бұрын

@@cosmical1004nuke an enemy capital and they aren’t recovering

@RonaldTrumpOfficial Ай бұрын

Counters: Forts, Bombers, Transport Aircraft (with troops), being smart

@exoticyy Ай бұрын

@@USSArizona-hi8qo I've tanked multiple nukes on my capital while still having high stab before

@soldier-01der Ай бұрын

Because nukes are not OP

@Truneh Ай бұрын

people will never realize what a snooze fest late game is, just a whole bunch of waiting to go to war and they’ll just go AI anyways

@imsmol Ай бұрын

2:00 me mentioned 🤌

@noyes9984 Ай бұрын

I agree with most of this but I feel like these would give smaller countries less of a chance, especially since RON isn’t getting bigger anymore so the skill level per match is getting higher, so you have a much worse chance as a small nation fighting a great power/superpower than you did in the past if they know what they’re doing

@emanueldervishi9761 Ай бұрын

My idea is to add a new research path:Rocket Science,and when its maxed out,you can go to mars

@JohnnySmartie Ай бұрын

real

@canochickensoup5096 Ай бұрын

make every country but poland be able to go to mars

@notuglyqualitymodels Ай бұрын

elon musk update

@CitaroProductions Ай бұрын

@@canochickensoup5096no, make every nation (includes Poland) be able to

@Billcipherthesniper Ай бұрын

Hyperant be experiencing torture within the first 1% of a mar update:

@sometoon8313 Ай бұрын

They should make a TNO scenario in RON fr. (Edit: Imagine they added focus trees to RON, would make content better a bit.)

@I_am_bacon._. Ай бұрын

Fr. Consumer goods selling NEEDS a nerf. I think they should add a limit to how many consumers you can sell. Like each nation can only sell 50 consumers and no more than that. That way you can't just have a random germany player sell 150 consumers to india, make 10k maneuvre tanks and steanroll all of europe.

@Bulbs_Productions Ай бұрын

Sounds like somebody has a skill issue

@I_am_bacon._. Ай бұрын

@@Bulbs_Productions selling 150 consumers to india is literally zero skill. The game should be about who can manage their economy well, and not who sells consumers before everyone else.

@TyphoonBros Ай бұрын

@@I_am_bacon._.I manage my economy by selling consumers, keep coping lil bro

@Madraw1 Ай бұрын

@@TyphoonBrosi agree with @i_am_bacon._.

@Bulbs_Productions Ай бұрын

@@I_am_bacon._. nuh uh

@Sentiat Ай бұрын

You should be able to use ships to destroy someones trades when at war and be able to defend your trade routes using ships, this would make the game more fun and more strategic and allows you to ruin someones economy overseas. But its just an idea though, hyperant is too busy working on doing nothing.

@eymene-hj9sy Ай бұрын

swiss players if this gets added:😢😢😢

@moistisprobdead Ай бұрын

hoi4 feature, good idea, no idea why you can’t block out trades to landlocked countries

@minku2108 Ай бұрын

Kind of like the actual Rise of Nations where you can kill the Caravans. I wish this game could do the age advancement thing... Maybe as a different mode

@mrun-gamer9008 Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for bringing up the consumer goods problem. I honestly HATE how the only way to be strong is to sell consumer goods as fast as possible. I know this video is about late game, but late game is when it's actually "your economy vs their economy" while early game is just "democracy's economy vs slow poke" and i wish they balance the early game eco better. also, delaying a thing doesn't really nerf it. Like you need steel to make forts, but that just delays it and forts will still be built, just not earlier. For a game like Rise Of Nations, the only real best way to balance things without insane power creep is to create counters and counters and counters etc. Like having a military operation make attacking forts much easier or training special troops for it etc. Other than that, Rise Of Nations is just a factual game, it's really hard to create an opinion on it since there are numbers to prove it wrong. if you think rise of nations can still be opinionated, then in my opinion tanks are still better than infantry late game. ooo now you wanna debunk that dont you? sorry for yapping after you just watch amandus yap for 14 mins.

@kakoolie6947 Ай бұрын

Number one problem is why I stopped playing this years ago. Idk if the dev is bad at coding or something but every update has made the game laggier, slower, and more unresponsive. Back in the day the matches were like 5x faster and the game was responsive. That's when the game was peak imo.

@clantixx. Ай бұрын

More nations = More lag / Calculations, even if the ai nation is doing nothing

@andreibaltateanu1539 Ай бұрын

Ron ideas 1.add infantry exhaustion imagine getting you re troops to very harsh terrain now they got infantry exhaustion which will lower they re morale(now they will fight less well 2.add a spade factory in order to nerf defense without a spade factory you re infantry wont get entrenchment 3.make custom ore and factories to private servers(you add them) 4.add civil wars which will require advance ai or a player that can see a civil war started in oman and can join the civil war nation the game will still be simple!!!

@piercecowley255 Ай бұрын

I agree but a spad factory is kinda dumb, like a millitary factory would be better, and if you have a surplus of millitary equipment you get increased attack, defence and spoed

@azert52b39 Ай бұрын

The players playing as France will have a hard time with the Fourth idea 😂

@polygonalfortress Ай бұрын

spade factory? dumbest idea i've heard, as a "solution" to nerf entrenchments

@andreibaltateanu1539 Ай бұрын

@@polygonalfortress i mean yea spade factory kinda dumb when the montly

@presentrama 10 күн бұрын

bro my Steelseries software opened up and changed my audio output for my headphones and I thought the video had no audio for like 2 minutes

@r3bel758 29 күн бұрын

late late LATE game is horrific. everyone wants to be in a server in the year 3500, but every city has 300 million people in it and war is basically impossible even with nukes.

@imperial822 Ай бұрын

I think the early part of mid game is the best, since people have some sort of technology and special units unlike ultra early game where it's just basic infantry

@TodMcMurtry Ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on universalis remastered? This Ron stuff gets boring after awhile.

@VeryGrainyBread-c6k Ай бұрын

I think that an auto capture feature would be something like "keeping the frontline" where instead of troops meandering off to narnia theres a frontlines of troops constantly kept

@ambush162 Ай бұрын

3:27 hotel in egypt hurghada jaz makadina pool

@Asdaiscool Ай бұрын

I played for 4 years, quit recently and I can say the late game always sucked because of the lack of skill from most of the playerbase. This isnt me trying to boost my ego, or to sound like I was the best at a block game, but I genuinely remember once when I was liechtenstein, blowing up a public server, and forming the EU in 2023. It's way to easy since a lot of players just love the idea of "neutrality" and not fighting... In a war game. I think another issue is that players just love to scorch and rage quit when they get in a tough fight. For example, I was playing as Taiwan. I had formed the ROC (I think it's that one) and I was going to fight a north american union. This was a late game server and it was going to be my "final major war" so I put a lot of effort into a navy, tanks and airforce... Just for them to scorch and rage quit as soon as I declared war. So to summarise my opinion, late game sucks because of the playerbase (servers dying by 2020, incompetent players, rage quitters ETC) I think hoi4 is much better for players who are getting bored of ron, the lack of updates dont help either lol (Espionage, anyone?) I know this comment was kind of all over the place but I just wanted to share some thoughts on ron, though I doubt anyone will see this anyways 💀

@weirdguylol Ай бұрын

How can you form ROC while you are already ROC???

@johnomite Ай бұрын

But I seen it :(

@Asdaiscool Ай бұрын

@@weirdguylol Lmao

@Asdaiscool Ай бұрын

@@johnomite W fr

@フフーガ Ай бұрын

There needs to be XP based matchmaking

@TheMinecrafGuy 21 күн бұрын

01:55 turkey mentioned rahhhhhhh🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺

@exportgaming7658 Ай бұрын

i can agree with the randomness part, but if u add more things that makes ron more complex just rther play hoi4, the only reason i play ron is how fast paced it is and you dont have to worry about losing progress cause you can do it again fairly easier. (edit) i also play ron cause of how easy it is and more player friendly, but i have an ideia for those poeple who want ron to be more complex why not make another seperate rise of nations game where its literally 5 times more complex than the current rise of nations. i know its not that easy making a game, but if hyperant really thinks about it he cant just think about the players who want it more complex, he gotta think about the other players like me who only played rise of nations cause its easier and fast paced compared to hoi4 honestly no hate and all im just expressing my opinion. have a good day/night.

@SusCatfr Ай бұрын

I love the late game because its pretty much me racing for the Uranium cities with the most resource and factory gain modifiers and then nuking the entire opposition making them collapse while holding out against millions of troops. It has more long-term strategy and less speed.

@xiaoxaxo Ай бұрын

hyperant ruined it with addition of a shitload more mountainous terrain, addition of more jungle/arid biomes, removal of mass selling electronics, and every nation having a billion fucking releasables declaring independence before you finish conquering them, all of these are leading reasons as to why the pace of the game has slowed down immensely since 2020. this is coming from a grandmaster player who misses the old game, and being able to steamroll over russia or china as a powerful european/asian nation in the early game in one fel swoop without them shattering apart into a billion pieces like a child stepped on a jigsaw puzzle; not to mention the lfuckload of mountains he added in china and siberia, making these already large and annoying nations to capture 1000x more difficult. also he has overcomplicated the game way further than necessary with the addition of leaders, the 3 military types thing and not to mention the 9000 government spending tabs...

@Sir_Zigy Ай бұрын

blud just wants to paint the globe brainlessly, very entertaining indeed

@femtometre 24 күн бұрын

Bros mad that he needs to use his brain to win the game now

@nikolainikolov6984 14 күн бұрын

yeah but imagine trying a spanish empire speedrun and then u look at ai brazil having uruguay

@Grimmmmy-boy Ай бұрын

What I like to do is go democracy and spam development and do as much stuff to raise my taxes just to see how much money I can make at once (my record is 500 million something every 5 days)

@epicbk_7 Ай бұрын

I feel like the usage of AI for each nation would be sick. Too make it a lil balanced, the AI can gather pattern recognition (how you play) and once you leave the AI will take over and play as you once did to the best of its abilities.

@sejt23 Ай бұрын

thats.. not a bad idea actually though it would require development from hyperants part soooooooooo

@_boring-videos. Ай бұрын

Once I saw a server where Egypt moved their troops into a certain symbol of a certain country with a certain Austrian painter as its leader.

@CitaroProductions Ай бұрын

bruh why

@_boring-videos. Ай бұрын

@@CitaroProductions idk, they probably got banned

@AztecAmal Ай бұрын

1:58 uh oh I think I got a bid mad at the Turkey guy oops but also like a year ago I played as Fiji and invaded all of Iberia

@springlink3188 Ай бұрын

One idea i’m so surprised isn’t implemented. The AI doesn’t have to conquer other nations. Just make it so AI countries don’t just leave their entire army on their capital and can only retake cities. Maybe only have half retake while half remain at the capital, or they make artillery at some random city. The bigger the nation is, the more likely they are to do…something…anything. Would help greatly in preventing runaway imperialism

@HawkBirdPlays Ай бұрын

100% agree, late game is so boring when players have tens of millions to blob, nukes, everything maxed out, its just boring. Early game is way better (2019-2023) where all the action happens and you have the ability to dominate the server before someone plays tall and makes the game boring.

@liamblaisetapangco6364 Ай бұрын

they should add when you select your cites you can put it on square or circle cities

@pilsudskygm3377 Ай бұрын

Late game in every strategic game is bad. It gets laggy and everyone has like 1000000 troops

@zeilawint5889 Ай бұрын

Trinadad and Tobago player respect to that man

@piercecowley255 Ай бұрын

Nah because with consumers, it just makes smaller countries really really weak while it barely effects superpowers

@eclipse22c 25 күн бұрын

Turkey mentioned 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺

@Alb_Balk Ай бұрын

10:00 setting captures zones must've been another hallucination then

@scribeby Ай бұрын

shit up

@HenryShrefler-f9i Ай бұрын

there is one simple solution that is guaranteed to work. just get a group of people with free time and make a better game than Ron, Shure it will maybe take a few months to a few years but it will beat Ron by a lot if you add all the stuff they wont add.

@calmite Ай бұрын

I had to have a double take when I heard dark souls menu music lmao

@mcdull68 Ай бұрын

The reason why RON will never appeal to the majority is that, the whole combat thing, yea…

@angelv-th4kv Ай бұрын

ZELDA TWILIGHT PRINCESS MUSIC OMG

@OfficialWeaverBlight Ай бұрын

THERE IS BONETROUSLE IN THE BACKGROUND

@StopBricks792 Ай бұрын

Ig I'm not sane I conquered half the planet as Luxembourg

@joe_tango Ай бұрын

Tbh I would like them to add a “growth sprout” event so ai countries would get a lil more mp and pop

@Bulbs_Productions Ай бұрын

Especially pop, add immigration

@Don_Quixote8 21 күн бұрын

13:32 That's that, and this is this.

@KebboStar Ай бұрын

late game? do you mean 6 superpowers all allied

@mbos14 Ай бұрын

The name of the game had me confused was thinking of the older RON and was like that's not what it looked like.

@leowood5860 Ай бұрын

I'd say to make AI play realistically not actually play the game well. have them train troops whenever someone justifies or something.

@Pizzaman_1578 Ай бұрын

Not gonna lie, I think late game just sucks because there’s barely gonna be players and is gonna get boring pretty fast.

@atmasyahputra4262 Ай бұрын

thats why i am not playing public, i play events

@Who_Knows-kp1yq Ай бұрын

Bro the thumbnail is literally pulled from that one r/riseofnationroblox post. Never knew Amandus was active on there.

@ChristianPlays7500 Ай бұрын

1:28 bro has beef with me

@ChillS.Ninjas Ай бұрын

Lol I broke whit the logo break sound affect😂

@Kyt__ Ай бұрын

late games are kinda good for new players cause they're learning how to play a bit

@GoofyManMF Ай бұрын

"This but a scratch"🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Aziz-h8f Ай бұрын

Yeah he for sure listens to he's subscribers 💀

@Vang2009 29 күн бұрын

They should honestly add more politics stuff

@ro-ok 20 күн бұрын

Um dont want to be called a nerd but adding more features will sometimes ultimately make the server ping more higher as roblox server kinda suck because most of the server are dealing with sbg, blox fruits and other games with higher player bases

@Ceta-h7l 24 күн бұрын

when are we getting the natural disasters update

@shmeds Ай бұрын

late game sucks cuz early game is just infinite expansion with no one rly stopping u, there are no features to counter this as well as having the fact that u could annex half the world in one peace deal

@Amandos Ай бұрын

Consumer goods giving you an infinite economy:

@woehaswokenme Ай бұрын

@@Amandos when india or china is ai and you have consumer factories:

@unity4328 Ай бұрын

i actually like late game more than early game bc how goofy and random it is and you can do continental hyperwars with insane casualties and nukes

@Amandos Ай бұрын

I also like it in that sense. As an analogy, but when I'm playing a "strategy game" I'm expecting something more akin to Survival Minecraft, not Creative Minecraft which is what Lategame feels like

@unity4328 Ай бұрын

@@Amandos true, there needs to be way more late game content

@Alb_Balk Ай бұрын

lategame in RoN is literally the equivalent of the 1984 superstates going to an actual full blown war

@unity4328 Ай бұрын

@@Alb_Balk yes thats why i love it

@_Korok Ай бұрын

Me when that one Japanese player that nobody noticed...

@chickeneater77 Ай бұрын

Early game is whoever sells the most consumers wins

@ElaineBottari Ай бұрын

Ngl having mini humans in your country would be nice 😅

@rickardspaghetti Ай бұрын

Ok, det här är definitivt *inte* samma Rise of Nations som jag minns från när jag var liten...

@ProlixyBoi Ай бұрын

Late game sucks if everyone has spec'd out everything including forts and max resistance so unless you have socialism saving you from war exhaustion unless they have it... THERE IS NOTHING TO DO

@beanprofile3802 Ай бұрын

ARE WE STILL DOING THE ESPINOAGE UPDATE MEME, ITS BEEN 2 YEARS (3:42)

@Intrusion498 Ай бұрын

These thumbnails getting crazier each video

@willdandcrazy Ай бұрын

They should really have AI's war each other

@kullervo-og4wz Ай бұрын

because of skibidi rtoilet and fanum tax kai cenat ohio rizz stream

@Stapsiahhh Ай бұрын

quantum computing shouldnt be removed bro I aint waitin 10 years for 2k elec my boi

@donekeyboards9 Ай бұрын

thats why i play on a private server

@TungNguyen-gl2rb Ай бұрын

Its called an end game

@uhhhprussia Ай бұрын

wait you got unbanned?

@Amandos Ай бұрын

No, just old footage

@SatoruGojo-u4l Ай бұрын

@@Amandosu are banned? Why

@uhhhprussia Ай бұрын

@@Amandos alr

@Omaralsiddig Ай бұрын

Fr it just a Joke in the end game and now a days the sever is dead by 2023

@faxfromfred Ай бұрын

rahhhhh. amandus upload

@Henlislebron-p3u 22 күн бұрын

Couldn't they just do 1 coding for all you guys said and just copy and paste and change the name for code forgive me if I'm wrong

@athalarahmanjauhari4135 Ай бұрын

This game suffer from its own design , once you lose a war theres no coming back since they can annex everything you own theres. no bouncing back or winning in the late game if you lose its much better to try again in a new server which makes the game faster paced more akin to a traditional rts with a bunch of micromanagement it really is just a war simulator but the combat is closest to dogshit Ik hoi4 works the same but in that game theres one big war everyone preps for and is guaranteed to have fun

@JcoleMc Ай бұрын

I think their should be a feature where if you're annexed you could play as Rebels representing your country

@Blank-games. Ай бұрын

I was the 300th like

@savabykovich2600 Ай бұрын

ultra late game is fun though

@noahskattberg2398 Ай бұрын

Like how the fuck can I make more money as Senegal than the US before 2020 by just selling consumers, it doesn't make sense. The economy in rise of nations just doesn't matter. You never run out of money unless you have too much of a navy for your consumer selling, I think the economy should have more options than just sell consumers early game and spam develop city mid-late game.

@nevenneven8159 Ай бұрын

Naval and factory meta ruined it. If you want an actual strategy game just go and play a paradox game. Why bother waiting for the espionage update to come out when you already have it in hoi4