Why Lillipup is the BEST Starter in Black/White

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[@ackoladeTV]

just to clarify, stoutland weighs less than emboar, so you save like a full second every time you send out a pokemon by using stoutland! pretty cool stuff

[@malicekerendu3574]

1 more reason to like stoutland

[@lildmckay]

Can you give an estimate for how many times you’d pull out the starters for a run? I’m unfamiliar with the run but am really interested in how much time this saves.

[@xyannail4678]

​​​@@lildmckayerytime you battle. Wouldn't that be a lot? Unless you're like Werster who used Excadrill for his BW2 runs

[@FlintsInfernape]

@@xyannail4678 It's a speedrun, you should really only being doing mandatory fights. But the question is, how many are there in Black and White

[@alexipowell4822]

​@@FlintsInfernapeI believe there are 28 "boss" fights in the game so that saves about 28 seconds then less time throughout the run buying x items at marts so say another 10-20 seconds unfortunately this time save is negated if Stoutland has intimidate

[@Butterfly32238]

“for some reason?” lol its a good animation it brings oomph to sprites

[@chrissingleton8875]

Not scientifically accurate though. Weight doesn't make you fall a different rates. Could've just made the animation the same length with more oomph/bang at the bottom 🤷‍♂️

[@googleeatsassdude]

​@@chrissingleton8875 That is the animation. They all fall at relatively the same rates, it just adds more and longer oomph, camera shake and dust particles. Don't know what you mean, since you described the same thing OP said in the video.

[@Damnalright]

@@chrissingleton8875 isn’t that… exactly what’s happening? The heavier Pokémon creating dust clouds when landing, wasting more time, but the fall it self is the same still.

[@joeylopez1692]

@@chrissingleton8875 bro it’s a kids game relax there’s no reason for you to tweaj

[@raymndd4698]

@@chrissingleton8875 actually it does seem pretty accurate. they don’t fall at different rates. what actually happens is the landing recovery takes longer. this is shown as the dust clouds pop out after the pokémon land and then there’s the pause that makes the animation take longer. it’s almost as if they add more oomph/bang at the bottom 😱

[@christianturner6667]

Not to mention Tackle was buffed to 50 base power in gen 5. STAB tackle is SO good early game with Lillipup

[@exostudios8563]

Also Return is an all round great move because you’re using a singular Pokémon

[@matthewlacey4198]

I didnt realise how scary trainers' Herdiers were with Take Down, 80 base power (iirc), x STAB = 120 base power

[@matthewlacey4198]

Especially considering your pokemon at that point don't usually have something that powerful, but yours are fully evolved by the time you start seeing trainers with Stoutland, so Stoutland isn't as scary

[@GelatinCoffee]

And was given 100% acc. instead of the normal 95% (70%) acc. But I gotta be honest, I decided that I'd use blitzle my first time and uh. Immediately ditched it for scolipede when I encountered venipede

[@AnnieC.1993]

​@@matthewlacey4198 Isn't take down 90 base power?

[@trevorkroon2163]

Currently doing a nuzlocke (black2, but still applies), and the lillipup line also has surprisingly high stats. You get return and the silks carg very early. Stab silk scarf return hits ridiculously hard for such an early game setup. My stoutland has been carrying the nuzlocke since I caught it back in flocessy ranch

[@dc_dachi]

The Lillipup line is definitely a great mon for a Nuzlocke. Intimidate automatically makes a Pokemon worth considering in a Nuzlocke. It helps shore up Stoutlands decent bulk, as well as providing some pivot utility even if Stoutland can't contribute directly in a matchup. STAB Work Up + Tackle/Take Down is absurdly powerful in the early game, and like you said, its damage scales well thanks to STAB Return/Silk Scarf, Crunch for Ghosts, and the Elemental Fangs from the move relearner for additional coverage. It's just a very splashable Pokemon in general.

[@EvynTheBooksmith]

I know this is 2 weeks later, but it also helps that Stoutland can learn Surf. Helps round out the move set so you can deal with rock types and Golurk.

[@racsofischer7601]

Same principle as why zigzagoon is so good early game in emerald. Silk scarf stab headbutt is goated

[@er_xungoh]

It will carry u to the endgame and if it dies (first of all, shame on you) you should give it the biggest goodbye the world has witnessed

[@mjm3091]

Also it only got better in newer gens, being one of the fastest and bulkiest mons utilising Sand Rush, having all the usual utility moves normal types usually have.

[@joshuakorynta3385]

Everytime I see a Lillipup in a game, I almost always catch it. Those dogs are extremely versatile in my playthroughs. Especially considering Stoutland's wide movepool and access to unorthodox moves like Rain Dance and Thunder.

[@basilmahyoub3607]

big bonus if its Pokébody is Sand Rush, giving you immunity to sandstorm damage.

[@xyannail4678]

​@@basilmahyoub3607you mean Ability?

[@DJ-mf6ft]

If I'm not using one in a playthrough, I just catch 5 with the pickup ability and collect a ton of free items until i replace them with a team member.

[@jamesaditya5254]

​@@basilmahyoub3607 this is legit the first time I see someone call abilities "pokebody". I know that's basically the TCG equivalent of abilities but never have I heard anyone refer to specifically video game abilities as pokebody.

[@justafellow5859]

Also, Fire, Ice and Thunder Fang

[@jokersruby287]

Back in middle school, I asked one of my friends to take my game to his house so he could get me to the Victini encounter because I didn't have internet at home. He got me to the encounter but he took my Oshawott so I pretty much treated Stoutland as my starter and it actually worked out pretty well.

[@therealchaosguy]

So he stole your oshawott?

[@jokersruby287]

@@therealchaosguy Basically, so I had to choose Victini or to start over

[@jorgemoren40]

@@jokersruby287 Top ten anime betrayal.

[@Robin_hsr12]

Dawg didn't even breed one for himself

[@senny-]

​@@jokersruby287are you still friends after that

[@spangly20]

Finally someone who appreciates Lillipup. Its just a cute and innocent good boy.

[@NoFlu]

Same. Normally a cat person, but I caught one of those fellas when I first played it when I was smaller (and the game just released) and just rolled with him till the end

[@SMCwasTaken]

Emolga is good too, acrobatics sweeps everything

[@spangly20]

@@SMCwasTaken yes, they are underrated pokemon, because there is always "something better"

[@SMCwasTaken]

@@spangly20 is there a pika clone better than Emolga?

[@spangly20]

@@SMCwasTaken I think that Mimikyu, but he is like a weird cousin of the pika clones, for not having the electric type. But I think it is at the level of Emolga.

[@hinkage]

"Weird mechanic" "For some reason" It's pretty obvious why they added it, and not at all weird.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

It's not pretty obvious why they added it, and very weird. See I can be a douchebag just like you!😊

[@vonwolfe1310]

Brainless short form content creators with no originality. They get used and passed only to get forgotten, like penny wh0res.

[@blackironwalterkus3851]

The black and white nostalgia meat riders have arrived🐎🐎🐎

[@yourmom2033]

⁠@@blackironwalterkus3851why is it a weird mechanic? is it not obvious why they added it? black and white did some great things that no other games did

[@stratigangames508]

​@@blackironwalterkus3851 I've been a day one fan of B&W. I loved it and have defended it since it came out and people hated on it. B&W is still peak Pokemon.

[@Flossman2]

He can also learn Surf, Cut and Strength. On top of that his base attack and special are pretty ok

[@Radnick0024]

"For some reason..." eh? Really helps when considering Low Kick, Grass Knot, Sky Drop, Heat Crash, Heavy Slam, etc.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

Not really

[@GravitonAllNightLong]

​@@Goro_Maj1maare you being contrarian just to be an ass? Or are you such a giant virgin you know pokemon weights by heart?

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@Goro_Maj1ma You'd be surprised how often grass knot has found it's way onto competitive sets.

[@snowcloud8]

I concur on this. During a nuzlocked run, Cilan wiped out everyone on my team but my Lilipup- and the thing he used to one shot most of my team WAS a rabid Lilipup. Those pups are *monsters*.

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

The Lillipup line is probably my favourite dog Pokémon bc of how absurdly versatile and tanky it is. Plus, like, just look at them 😍

[@denjeez]

I hate it.

[@YourNumberOneRated1997Salesman]

​@@denjeezyou hate dogs

[@denjeez]

@@YourNumberOneRated1997Salesman I hate Lilipup it's all I ever got in Pokemon Go.

[@thuringian1127]

​@@denjeez Heh, Pokemon Go you say? You have zero clue how actually great this good doggo is. Especially for my heart, it fulfills one big part 🐶❤ (Hey I have to assert my dominance here no matter how crazy I sound lmao. I never thought other people like this line too)

[@lvlHive]

I ditch my starter for Swaddle, i only need a friend.

[@Hydraina]

Mad respect. Leavanny is my favorite bug type :)

[@malmasterson3890]

​@@HydrainaNot the biggest fan of Leavany, but it's prevos are so good. Swaddle easily stands out as the best base regional bug.

[@LilyZayli]

Im the same but with Roggenrola

[@LegendStormcrow]

Lillipup was always the best in that gen. It's why every gym leader had it

[@Kyush4]

reminds me of the time me and my friends discovered back in gen 3 that zigzagoon learns headbutt at lvl 9 so we ditched the starters in the early game

[@guilherme-mu2eh]

me and the boys going to ditch any other pokemon to catch bidoofs

[@Kyush4]

@@guilherme-mu2eh huh?

[@j-rex229]

Early game headbutt is cool until you realise it's the strongest move linoone learns if you don't count take down (because it sucks). Couple that with mediocre stats and you have a Pokémon that starts off strong and falls off as you progress, unlike the starters *wink wink*

[@greenthepokemontrainer3358]

​@@j-rex229 return?

[@NaGa5h]

​@@j-rex229 Linoon can sweep the elite 4 and champ in emerald alone doe

[@keybooru]

when i was younger, on my friends first playthrough of pokemon white the first wild pokemon he encountered was a shiny lillipup... bro had the most pristine run of the game of all time

[@oblivionnexus4390]

The fact that Speed runners use a Normal type in a game with a Fighting Elite 4 Member is hilarious. Imagine, being one of the 4 strongest trainers in the region, and this 10 year old speed demon blazes into your room, ignores everything you say, And just tosses a pokemon weak to your pokemon out, and proceeds to murder your mons with it

[@demorshiffer4910]

Assuming nothing else changed you'd most likely still switch into exadrill after Driftveil City.

[@jasonreed7522]

The normal type may not have the same glorious reputation as dragon and fairy types, but it certainly has some good mons. Between the high base stat monsters like Touros, Snorlax, Ursaring, Slaking, ect. And surprise heavy hitters like guts boost + facade + silk scarf which is easiest on Swellow in Hoenn, but even just guts boost helps Raticate step up. And setup mons like bellydrum linoone or work-up lilipup. Once you start stacking modifiers it doesn't take much for a mediocre attack stat to become dangerous. Just stab + item + 2 other things like ability, setup, or niche move case, and even a neutral normal type move can start oneshoting even pseudolegendaries.

[@thuringian1127]

​@@jasonreed7522 Normal? More like abnormal... haha, I'm so funny 😐

[@TheTrueJevil]

Speed runners: *ditches their starters in order to save a split second each battle* Me: *choosing Snivy every time* I just think he's neat.

[@greenthepokemontrainer3358]

same lmao

[@therealchaosguy]

Based Jevil

[@CarbonGod666]

Ok

[@MidoriKyun]

SAME! Snivy is my favorite starter! Just love this little snek 😩🙏💙

[@NoahIsHere1337]

oshawott supremacy

[@ProfessorTakatoPalm]

Lillipup was my first caught Pokémon in Unova. Ah good times. I can’t wait for BW Remakes.

[@MrMelonGuy42]

we are probably quite far away with how they have been remaking games

[@Gamer2002]

@@MrMelonGuy42 Why? Which games will be released before gen 5 remakes? Also i would kill for a legends kyurem game

[@ryanscott1680]

No. I dont want remakes. Especially after the gen 4 ones.

[@ChillChrill]

Just play BW2, it's as good as Gen 5 (and Pokémon in general) will ever get lmao

[@siberiangopnik]

Careful what you wish for

[@nunyabiznes33]

Such a good boi. Considerate enough to save our time.

[@unamusedheavy1885]

That's interesting, on my first nuzlocke, that first Lillipup I've named Ashton is a hard survivor, and didn't died yet. Even out lived my starter.

[@G-Shroom-The-Mushroom]

im never speedrunning my favorite game if i can't use samurott

[@mo0raa]

Well you can for fun but it wont be optimal

[@Hamboig3r]

bro putting my starter in the pc feels like treason to me idk

[@deez4480]

@@Hamboig3r I released my starter in the new games

[@literaryloser4470]

Samurott is the only starter I pick for gen 5 for a few reasons: I hate pure grass types Tired of fire/fighting types (plus I am not dealing with arm thrust for 20 levels) The water types in gen 5 aren't the greatest in comparison to the starter. Meanwhile there are good alternatives to fire and grass. One of the very few times I actually pick the water starter

[@superairdog6136]

@@bananakakyoin7452 person said 8 year old game is one of the new games… damn

[@chancellorpalpatine3729]

When I caught a lilipup I thought I wanted to name it but I changed my mind, but the game didn't let me back out so I named it lilipup. Fast forward to the end of the game and a stoutland named lilipup is soloing most encounters I got into

[@blackmark2899]

First off, how is that no one before buster noticed that heavy mon have an extra animation to show their weight? I thought this was common knowledge. So it's not about optimization of the fights, it's about frame time. Man the speedrunning community is just...fascinating.

[@Robin_hsr12]

Everyone already knew but still thought emboar was the best until stoutland strats were found

[@claudiolentini5067]

At that point, is better to hack the game to remove animations entirely 😂

[@cosmic3829]

@@claudiolentini5067 That… That’s not… What?

[@SonicEndouRed]

a lot of the times it's about frames lmao

[@connortg5]

@@claudiolentini5067 that, my good sir, is cheating

[@sincere3122]

That’s crazy, when I initially played Pokémon Black I picked tepig and also caught an lilipup. My other Pokémon’s were weak but Scoutland cleared every elite 4 member and the champion. He’s really a good pick. Plus intimidate is awesome.

[@Wuuuuuush]

I’ve always said that the two most important encounters to get in an early game bw nuzlocke are Lillipup and roggenrola. Lillipup has stab base 50 power tackle, and access to take down before the second gym, where it will have evolved into a Herdier with intimidate as well. Roggenrola is specifically so that you don’t have to sack a Pokemon to Lenora’s retaliate watchog, as it’s one of the few Pokemon that can withstand it.

[@mewziikal8331]

It's literally what i did in my first ever let's play of black and white. When I saw Lillipup I thought "F snivy this needs to be my starter"

[@Repaofsouls]

My first encounter with balls on black was a shiny stoutland. I had it on 0 volune and missed the sparkle but wanted the 'mon anyway so caught it. Truly an awesome moment.

[@lazyhippie6139]

I'm not surprised. Lillipup hits like a truck. Tackle is much better in this game and it gets STAB, then it gets Bite early as well. Solid start and it remains really good throughout the rest of the game.

[@Pikachu_Larry]

Not going to lie, I was just thinking this before I saw your post. You beat me to the punch! Good video.

[@thefreelancequeen]

You also have a chance to get Intimidate, which adds a bit of time but the benefit is worth it

[@viporial2358]

"for some weird reason" come on man, cause it was cool as fuck.

[@DummyAccount829]

Being a big Tepig fan, hearing from someone who knows their stuff say Tepig is optimal compared to the other two starters makes me extremely happy.

[@MedicalBillz]

Fighting type punches through Team Plasma fights reliably + Flame Charge go brr

[@adrianrandom3448]

Emboar my beloved

[@sultan_3864]

Also learns work up too. Big save on burgh esp his dwebble

[@UltimateAkuma]

Im so glad im not the only emboar fan

[@johnmartinez7440]

I enjoyed its versatility in my original playthrough. Flare Blitz + Head Smash + Wild Charge + Take Down lol

[@virtualcolt]

Lillipup is even really good in playthroughs. Even if you wont speedrun just try it out, it kicks ass.

[@SMCwasTaken]

Emolga is good too, acrobatics sweeps everything

[@silver_the_rowlet2521]

That's exactly what I did when I play through the game as a kid! 😂 I ditched my Snivy and had my Lilipup/Herdier/Stoutland as my party lead for most of the game

[@thequagestclodsire]

Speedrunning is nucking futs.

[@GravitonAllNightLong]

Stoutland is a beast regardless of speed running or not, truly took me aback as a kid catching that mf probably ten minutes away from the toys r us i bought the game from and him turning into my powerhouse

[@animatepokemonadventures7889]

The Lillipup line as a whole is extremely good for what a route 1 mon usually is. Normally the best you get before gen 5 on a first route is a Starly and while Staraptor is a pretty good pokemon, it has poor matchups across all but 2 gyms in sinnoh. Stoutland is like Staraptor but without any of the weaknesses.

[@joshuakorynta3385]

Especially with it's high TM movepool. Staraptor ain't got nothing on Stoutland.

[@Robin_hsr12]

​@joshuakorynta3385 but also simple bibarel Is surprisingly good. Like REALLY good with swords dance defense curl then rollout.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Hearing that speedrunners used to sweep the game with Emboar does not surprise me in the slightest. I love my flaming bacon behemoth.

[@Aromainiac]

The pokemon's cries are nostalgic 100%

[@shinybearevidra]

Stoutland is a beast, I used him in almost every playthrough.

[@angelablasilopez6718]

You're wrong here tho lol. Oshawott's last evolution is truly something else. One of the strongest pokemons I've ever had. I passed the whole leage with him, the rest of the pokemons looked like complements 😂

[@jamesaditya5254]

The dog is the goat in b2w2. Yes it's super versatile but also brainless return + silk scarf spam is really powerful

[@shelbymodie8182]

I stand by switching the starter out for lillipup...cause one time in Pokemon white I thought what would happen if I used a different pokemon I think this was in 2011...and in 2020 I played through white 2 and chose to use lillipup hence why Stoutland became one of my fave pokemon...I will always stand by that pokemon line ✌️

[@pancakeplate]

I think I never fully evolved any of the starter Pokémon during the story playthrough because I didn't like em, usually picked tepig and swapped it asap for darmanitan and always got galvantula

[@scrat9870]

I usually ignore the deaignated route 1 normal types but I really like the Lillipup line, also yeah work up is really frickin good

[@gamersgamestorm8291]

“On a dark dessert highway”

[@thuringian1127]

As a non speedrunner and pure casual seeing one of my favourites ever being relevant to people really surprises me a lot. I always thought it's so ignored and underrated. It still is probably, but I'm still positively surprised. If anyone here doesn't likes it though because whatever. Than it is what it is 🤷‍♀️ Can I do something against it? No... But I'll love it forever and ever 🐶❤

[@statelyelms]

the normal ass animals are always the most fun pokemon, I never understand it

[@Ok48294]

Pro Tip: if you're a Pokemon Champion and defeated all the elite 4, go to Undella Town and visit every house 😊

[@thebakalord]

Me who just picked Oshawatt because they’re so cute…

[@Veezy_POP]

I’m a sonic fan so when I saw the anime and saw that Sandshrew and Sandslash can roll up into a ball like a spindash, instantly fell in love plus the design was just so good, I always named mine Knuckles due to the shiny form.

[@awiseman93]

Has it been implemented into an official run yet?

[@ackoladeTV]

yee, current US any% WR uses stoutland

[@xyannail4678]

​​@@ackoladeTVoes Werster use it?

[@dinoknight6538]

My first game was White, and being young, i just used one pokemon. When my snivy struggled at the first gym, I just started using only lillipup. So I beat pokemon white with nothing but a hilariously overleveled Stoutland (it was in the high 80s for the elite four) and a couple of mooks to tank hits to allow for mid-battle healing.

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

Getting rid of your starter is also a nice way to increase the difficulty. Starter Pokémon usually have higher stats than everything else in the game, except for a few exceptions and legendaries. They were designed for players to destroy everything in their path effortlessly, so getting rid of them helps balance it out.

[@sptflcrw8583]

Not the point lol

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

@@sptflcrw8583 I know.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

Not the point lol

[@AndroidHarris]

Funny how a little detail they added for effect like this makes a vast difference in speedruns.

[@tommothepomo9395]

The waffle house has found its’ new host

[@yusharider]

I always loved this thing casually. It's cool to seem em be good at top level. A top level anyway

[@V2ULTRAKill]

Stoutland has always had a strong presence in vgc lol

[@udiar]

Love the mind of speedrunners. "If I enter this area facing backwards it avoids eye contact with this specific NPC which makes the speed run faster because if I make eye contact the NPC closes their eyes and that animation makes my walk animation go .001 slower which by the end of the room saves me 1 second on the speedrun" and then they glitch through the floor to the end credits

[@azeemsiddiqui4764]

Herdier also weighs less than Pignite so the fall animation for it is also faster. Good stuff.

[@765craven4]

For Nuzlockes I actually really like having Snivy. Coil/Work Up with access to Leech Seed makes it a deceptively powerful sweeper. Plus it gets Giga Drain, which can keep it healthy for sweeps too. And Leech Seed can enable other setup sweepers for matchups Serperior isn't good against The Lilipup line is really good too and nearly guaranteed encounter. Intimidate on a beefy body with good Attack that can setup sweep with a Work Up or two. Kinda like diet Gyarados, except it gets STAB on Return.

[@dragoncatoverload]

The dog is made of fur and therefore floats. It is the ultimate floof

[@harlivy6960]

That’s a really cool detail if you’re not trying to rush through the game or speed run it.

[@SagaciousSilence]

Lilipup also has a brutally strong movie in Tackle which was buffed. With STAB it’s a heavy hitting move for the beginning of the game.

[@justindekoning9988]

Another nice little easter egg about animations in gen 5. If your're pokemon has a speed benfical nature its idle animation is speed up a bit and slowed down a bit with a speed hindereng nature

[@LeeBrosYT]

Lillipup can also have the ability pickup which can be really good at the start of the game for speed runners.

[@helloblueshell]

What's funny is that when I was young I went through most of the game with Lillipup with snivy just hanging around in my party for BW2

[@qualwinters8784]

My boy Stoutland (and its evolution line) deserves the love. 😄

[@dragoness777]

Smart! Stoutland is an excellent late game all-rounder too and became one of my favorite Pokémon (I used it in final fights in three different games too)

[@Ojhany]

also the ability run away can really help cause of those long caves this game have

[@CloudsAndDays]

I remember as a kid, I did do a run where I used lillipup as a starter cause I liked it so much

[@MarkelESP]

"for some reason" lmfao

[@ladysilverwynde]

Speed runners: Ditch your starter and get a Lillipup! Me, an intellectual: Nah, I'mma stick with my Golett.

[@judgementbird2248]

Lillipup is very adorable too, I always use one (Also because it can be my surf mon)

[@EnjoyerofMedia]

I actually did this as a child on my B&W playthrough. Didn't know it was a real strat.

[@oldnosoul4183]

Learned this the hard way doing a shiny only playthrough on Black 2, all my hunts were noticably slower because my Emboar was heavy and it took a while before i caught on.

[@neen2660]

Shiny hunting starter snivy makes these sounds all too painfully familiar.

[@filipjphry3282]

Speed running rpg games is a bigger time waster than lying in bed all day 😂

[@themelancholyofgay3543]

My play was unusually good when i caught a Lilipup and used him as a main until i stopped playing at the first route

[@belettesabatt9215]

i'm guessing that they need to catch one with pickup since getting a stoutland with intimidate would also lead to an animation enerytime it enters the field

[@eheard0233]

Man pt1 and pt2 was the best games of my childhood

[@HeirToPendragon]

Black was one of my first Nuzlockes ever and is why Stoutland is my favorite pokemon

[@Kushtah]

So your telling me when I did this as a teen when the game came out it was actually optimal. My poor Oshawatt never had a chance.😂

[@ballistinarwhal7530]

I would’ve assumed speed runners turn animations off but I guess there’s probably different types of speed runs to do in Pokémon

[@yokaipinata1416]

They do, but the settings only turn off the animations for moves. The "sending out your Pokémon" animation is always present regardless of your settings. ❤

[@coledog10]

Lillipup also can have pickup, which is always a good item to have in the early game of a normal playthrough

[@tde4438]

Speedrunners live in an entirely different world and I do not mean that as a compliment

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

Yeah you meant it as a synonym to a compliment, a flattering remark. Glad you love speed runners they're pretty cool. 😊

[@mickelrubeo249]

Lilipup line is even more insane in BW2. You get early access to return and so many tutor moves

[@JM-hj3sm]

I'm glad to know that Lillipup is the best starter in the game because a small fraction of players use it for a very specific play style.

[@termitesc.aardwolf3644]

I wish Mienfoo was an early game mon. Mienshao is basically my Gen 5 ace and Mienfoo can easily hold its own until its late evolution.

[@kernium]

Also, Lilipup can have pickup as an Ability which means you can get some pretty decent stuff while just playing.

[@harryh4h720]

Its interesting to think it took 7 years or something for people to think does this animation take longer and is emboar truly optimal

[@apollochaoz]

Dang those cries are nostalgic

[@pokeloversworld6545]

Normal people 50 percent pick the starter 50 percent pick Lillipup Me - *takes both

[@ManyFaceImpressions]

I love that puppers, it was with me all the way to the Champ in White 2

[@Goremejy]

Being a speedrunner just sounds like complete misery. Go ahead and have fun counting pixels for your few seconds of same 😂

[@Ryan2K900]

I got an adamant lilipup, decided that was my starter and it was a monster even before it evolved.

[@Megadoomable]

Agreed. I got Tepig when I played the game, but instead ditched it for Riolu.

[@luka9416]

Speedrunners when something saves them 5 seconds in total speedrun duration:

[@tundrafrost9404]

Back when I was REALLY young, I played the original white. I accidentally reset my game, but accepted it, because I had almost exclusively raised my Snivy’s level. Upon my reset, I vowed to raise the level of all of the Pokémon in my party… it ended up just being my level 3 lilipup that I raised to level 87 and swept the elite four with.